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he is one h eachell of a compet >> i understand hillary clinton thinks this campaign is over, i've got some bad news for her. >> wow. >> what a night. donald trump has not officially won the nomination but this morning nbc news is calling him the likely republican nominee. the republican front-runner won his seventh straight state last night claiming 53% of the vote in indiana. >> knockout blow to senator ted cruz who promptly suspended his campaign for the white house. john kasich still clinging to his highly unlikely if not impossible presidential bid. >> bernie sanders walked away the winner in indiana taking 53% of the vote to beat hillary clinton. >> still hillary has a commanding lead in delegates. the former first lady appears poised to ultimately lock down the nomination even losing states in a prolonged and
possibly damaging battle. >> good morning, everybody. wow. >> how are you doing today? >> i am one step closer to a pickup truck. >> you got it. >> wen may 4th. >> pickup truck, right. >> we can call it your presumptive pickup truck. >> a brand yet, a color? features? >> i was thinking sort of a little off shoot of a truck, fj cruisers. >> she's a quad ra ponic. >> i was suggesting 1999 trooper. they flip over. >> didn't they get recalled? >> they got recalled but i kept mine. the kids love it. flip us, daddy, flip us. >> he better start thinking when he's going to roll up to 30
rock. with us on set managing editor of bloomberg, co-host airs 6:00 p.m., john, former communications director -- >> up all night. >> you had an early night, up by 11: 11:00. >> senior political director and white house correspondent sam stein. >> what's wrong with him? >> what were you guys talking boult with trucks and stuff? i couldn't follow that at all? >> long time ago. >> back -- >> back in the ancient days. >> june. >> beginning july. >> mike barnicle shook his head and derisively said he's not going to win.
>> i said i'll bet you a pickup truck. >> he wrote it down on a piece of paper. >> i thought it was lopsided, barnicle agreed to give you a truck if trump won the nomination but you had nothing. >> i would say there was consideration. there was $1. now, anyway, let's get to news and we'll pick out the color of the truck later. >> birthday. >> thank you very much. >> willie geist. >> mika an i go back-to-back, heroes after the show. >> unbelievable leads up to cinco de mayo. >> let's not talk about that. ted cruz supporters put all their chips on indiana, $6 million on ads spent in support of him or against trump. >> can we just stop right there. >> less pause. >> look at those numbers.
nicole, i will say it again, so many takeaway from 2016. even if trump loses 50 states, campaigning forever, 30 second ad, dead on arrival. >> this is sort of a cycle about the graveyard of all things that will never be again. giant spinning staffs. you saw yesterday trump is his own research man, his own sort of media presence. to say that this is sort of a cycle where someone from the outside won is to vastly under state all that -- >> never -- mika and i go out and speak, i know you do, too. a lot of young journalism students will say what do you have to do. mika will say, it's pretty easy, all you have to do is write, shoot, be on camera, basically
do everything. you're going to be a one person band and have a vision. she'll say that to the young journalist, the days of carrying around 30 journalists, it's over. it just happened in politics 2016. those days over. we're going to find a lot more sort of do it yourself, one man, one woman. >> i think that's true. but can someone who is not donald trump do what happened this time? if you don't have his celebrity, hisable to draw the eyes of the media to you every day. if you're some guy who is an outsider, politician -- >> look at bernie sanders. i'm not saying he got the votes but he got the eyeballs. >> i think it's about skill sets. in a strange way bernie has the skill sets that donald has. they seize on the message, they seize on the vision and they go. >> despite spending -- >> by the way, trump will be
with us in about 15 minutes. >> the last minute endorsement from government mike pence. well, that wasn't really an norm. the striking of an alliance with john kasich. >> that wasn't really an alliance. >> naming carly fiorina his running mate. cruz found himself announcing the end of his campaign over gasps from the crowd. >> from the beginning, i said i would continue on as long as there was a viable path to victory. tonight, i'm sorry to say it appears that path has been foreclosed. together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got, but the voters chose another path. and so with a heavy heart but
with boundless optimism for the long-term future of our nation, we are suspending our campaign. hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. >> just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or if he doesn't like me, but he is one hell of a competitor. he's a tough, smart guy. he has got an amazing future. he's got an amazing future. i want to congratulate ted. i know how tough it is. it's tough. i've had some moments where it was not looking so good, and it's not a great feeling. so i understand how ted feels, and heidi, and their whole beautiful family. i want to just say, though, one
tough competitor. >> let's break this down a little bit. willie, first of all, let's answer the question. does ted cruz like him or not. >> no. >> do you think heidi might like him a little bit? >> no. >> the kids, two kids. >> dad. >> dad probably doesn't like him today. >> donald trump does that. he did that with marco rubio. twelve hours earlier he was accusing ted cruz's father of being in on the assassination of john f. kennedy. then he says he's a tough guy, tough competitor. once he dispatches with you, you're a good guy. >> sharp turn. >> that is a sharp turn, sam stein. i don't know ted cruz will go, you accused my father of assassinating jfk so you were nice to me in your speech, so that's okay. >> it was ridiculous he brought
up the john f. kennedy stuff. that's what it is. on the back of it, it does raise important questions. how does someone like ted cruz who spent yesterday calling donald trump everything in the book, philanderer, liar, not presidential, how do you turn around and go about supporting someone in the general election. that's a general problem donald trump does have to deal with as he becomes the presumptive nominee. >> i don't think so. >> you don't. >> i'm just going to be nice the day after he's thrown in the towel but i don't think people are turning to ted cruz on where they are going to go. could be wrong. >> unlike marco rubio, we know ted cruz has a future in politics. >> really? >> i say marco, marco may choose not to come around again. ted cruz will be around in
politics. what everybody doesn't understand, it's not about donald trump, it's bought that massive, conservative/populist wing of the party that elected guys like me in '94 and electing republicans in 2010 and 2014 ted cruz can't piss off. what is he going to do, sit on the sidelines while hillary clinton gets elected in ted cruz will have to come around at some point if he want a future in politics. that's a reality. you can sit on the sidelines. you can't do that to 60% of the republican vote in primaries, if you want a future in politics. >> this marks the beginning of people have to be intellectually honest about what never trump means. it's been thrown around a lot, never trump hashtag, i would never vote for trump. the people who halfheartedly endorsed cruz because they could never see trump. now that means they are for
hillary. it becomes curtain number one, donald trump, republican nominee, or curtain number two. what's the choice? >> there's conscientious objection. in that category stand up and say nolo contendere. >> i'm saying, john, i completely understand those people who could do that for an honorable reason saying i can't vote for a guy who just 10 years ago was for partial birth abortions, five years ago giving money to hillary clinton. i totally under that. anybody that wants a future in the republican party, forget about donald trump, he's gone. 50% of the populist that go out and decide who will win primaries across the country, they are still going to be around. that's why ted cruz -- i'm saying don't you think ted cruz has to figure out how to get to donald trump. >> i don't know. in this sense, look, you could
argue whether this was wise or not wise. what has happened -- donald trump's nomination is, as you point out, he's the nominee of the republican party did he fact facfac fact -- de facto. ted cruz is the big loser. >> let's defined conservative movement. conservative movement defined by washington conservatives and "wall street journal" editorial page. and -- >> and social conservative activists. >> here is the thing. there is a fusion ronald reagan got where you were able to pull together populists and "wall street journal" editorial page. quite frankly successful republican candidates have been doing will i did it. i told people. i read "the wall street journal" page in '94, listened to wish
limbaugh, fused it together. you do not have to choose this type of conservative or this. nicole, that's what they are doing this year. >> with little success. republicans have always run and lived in fear of the social conservative activist. they were delta decisive loss. donald trump does not talk their talk, does not pander to their issues. he's good on gun but doesn't know the language of the culture, i think there is a question mark, "wall street journal" page but grass root social conservative groups who do not have a dog in the fight now. >> we'll play it later. after what ted cruz said yesterday afternoon about donald trump, that's going to be a hard thing to come back from. he was losing -- >> i agree. >> also i think the bigger picture, the beginning of the massive pivot we saw last night. everyone talking about donald trump's countenance, mood. this is the beginning of a
massive pivot. if you look at his words and listen to his tonight, get ready for the new donald trump. >> pivot. conservatives will be angrier. you'll see more of a pivot on issue. willie, if you're a conservative, you're thinking, let me get this straight. we've got two new yorkers and two democrats running for president this year. if you're a traditional conservative, pretty bleak. >> one of the candidates donated to the other one, a republican in the past given the democrat -- >> path century. >> we're making a difference between conservatives but a lot of people don't think he's a conservative at all, not a conservative period. he won't vote for the guy. >> they need to calm down and let things play out. still ahead on morpgz "morning joe," winner of republican primary donald trump joins us live for his first interview after indiana.
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this has been an amazing evening. i didn't expect this. i didn't expect it. what ted did was really a brave thing to do and a great thing to do, because we want to bring unity to the republican party. we have to bring unity. it's so much easier if we have it. we're going after hillary clinton. she will not be a great president. she will not be a good president. she will be a poor president. she doesn't understand trade. her husband signed perhaps in the history of the world the
single worst trade deal ever done. it's called nafta. >> joining us now, the winner of last night's primary in indiana, now the likely nominee for the republican party donald trump. donald, congratulations. >> congratulations. hey, donald, why don't you just
admit to everybody you never saw this coming. seriously, you have to be surprised yourself at how this played out. >> well, i'm happy how it played out. we had 17 people. that was a lot of people. some people said it was the finest group of talent ever assembled by any party at any time. i was watching that before i announced, and i said, wow, what am i doing. it was talent. some were very talented quite frankly. it worked out this way so i'm happy about it. >> you brutalized a lot of them. jeb bush, low energy. ted cruz, lyin' ted cruz. we can go down the list. how do you know, especially after yesterday, how do you get ted cruz to support you. yesterday you were talking about
lee harvey oswald. how do you unite the party today? >> i've gotten a lot of calls from people who were far more brutal than ted was. i said to them, how can you do that after what i said. they said, don't worry about. it's not a problem. they are politicians. it's talk. i've had calls -- i'll have to tell you about them, calls really wanting to get on immediately. this was a week ago or two weeks ago. >> do you care if ted cruz endorses you. >> i think it would be nice. i've been saying for a long time that there's some people i almost don't want their endorsement, republicans, because it was too rough and they were too nasty. i don't think it's going to matter frankly. it's going to be me. i am a republican. i'll do a good job. i'll do a great job on trade and the economy and bringing jobs back. i'll do great on the military. >> what do you say about george
well, he ran a column that said it's conservative's duty you win all 50 states. >> george is a loser of he's a dour guy. very few people listen to him. i never want to support -- he's been writing these columns for a year, every since i announced. you know, i had a run-in with him, i didn't want to go to one of his speeches at mar largo. i find him to be a dull person, dull. i never thought i would be in politics or run for office. i said, i just don't want to go. he wanted me to go. it was one of those things. he never forgot it. he's a nasty guy, a very nasty
guy. nobody reads him. he has no influence. if he had influence, i wouldn't be talking to you, joe. let's face it, the guy writes a bad column every time he writes a column. i don't know how often he writes them, i don't really know. others, grout hammer, all he does is bash me. he wanted the war. he talked about trump is tough, he'll have a fast trigger. i'll have the slowest trigger. i'll prepared the military. >> the great irony, mika, we've said this before. we're actually going into the general election where we have the democratic candidate that's going to support intervention ist more than the republican nominee. >> seems that way. >> i watched him last night, talking about trump may be quick
temperamentally. he's the one pushing for years the war in iraq, which was a total disaster and i didn't want to do it. as a civilian i was totally against it. it was one of the worst decisions in the history of our country, by the way, perhaps the worst. they talk about me with temperament. we need a strong temperament right now. the world is laughing at us. we need a very strong temperament. >> let's look ahead, the general asked andrea mitchell if you were qualified to be commander in chief. >> well, he's given no indication he understands the gravity of the decisions that go with being commander in chief. that will be a big part of my campaign. at some point, he's going to have to be held to the standard we hold to somebody running for commander in chief. what is it you know? what is it you've done in what is it you're proposing to do commander in chief?
so far we haven't seen any of that. we've seen a the lo of rhetoric, insults. he's an equal opportunity insulter. but when it comes down to making this really important decision, it's been my experience people in our country say to themselves, wait a minute, what do i think is the best choice? the best choice for me, my family, my jobs, my income, my future. and i think absent some major change in how he is presenting himself and what he is saying, that's going to be a pretty high bar for him to get over. >> so donald, she did not mince words, what's your response? >> it's just words, just another politician talking. bernie sanders said about hillary clinton she's got poor judgment. he also said she's unqualified. i won't even go there. bernie sanders said she's got poor judgment, and she does. look at the e-mail scandal. she shouldn't even be allowed to run. you know that, joe knows that, and everybody knows that she's only being protected by the
democrats. she should not be allowed to run in the election. she should suffer like other people have suffered who have done far less than she has. you look at so many, i won't even mention names anymore. you look at so many people who have done far less than her, the same subject matter, and it's been a horror show. here she is running for president like nothing happened. she shouldn't even be allowed to run. you know that. >> hey, donald, it's willie. congratulations on your win again last night. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you a couple of questions about some issues you've raised during this campaign. a lot of people think you've said some things to win the republican party and you don't believe and could change as you go to a general. do you still believe muslims should be banned from entering the country until we figure out what's doing on, as i said. >> we have to be very vigilant, find out what's going on. we have major, major problems. nobody wants to talk about it. we have a president that won't mention radical islamic
terrorism, he won't mention it. even though it's obvious terrible things are happening. we have to be extremely careful, vigilant. yes, we have to find out what the hell is going on. >> the general election, assuming you make that, you'll raise another issue. >> i don't know if it hurts me. i don't care if it hurts me. i'm doing the right thing when i do this. whether it's muslim or anything else, i have to do the right thing. that's the way i've been guided. when joe said it's a little bit surprising, and i did see last night the first time in the history of our country where this has happened, where really a civilian in the truest sense got the nomination of a major party. i've been guided by common sense, by what's right. you see what's happening. we have to be careful. we're allowing thousands of people to come into our country, thousands and thousands of people being placed all over the country that frankly nobody
knows who they are. they don't have documentation in many cases. in most cases. we don't know what we're doing. let's see what happens. this could be a very serious problem for the future. if you look at what's happening all over europe, with the migration. look at what's happening. it's terrible what they have done to some of these countries of they are going to destroy -- they are destroying europe. i'm not going to let that happen to the united states. >> as we go to the general, proposal for muslim ban stands. what about what you told chris matthews a few weeks ago that women who get abortions should be punished. do you still believe that to be. >> he was asking just a question in theory. i talked about it only from that standpoint. of course not. that was done, i guess it was theoretically. he was asking a rhetorical question and i gave an answer. people from academic standpoint
and answered rhetorically said that answer was unbelievable academic afterwards. of course not. i said that afterwards. everybody understands that. >> so donald, there are two family members around the set that are very happy this morning. my brother is extraordinarily happy. >> he's a great guy, by the way. >> george brutalized me for nine months whenever i criticized you. and nicole actually had to top going home for a while, her parents. >> i got a tweet last night when i asked about republicans for hillary, they start hate tweeting me. what about democrats for donald trump. i'll ask you about democrats for donald trump because that is how, sir, i think you see you could remake the map. i want to ask you about something you said last night. you said i love winning with the women. the media gives you short
shrift. you don't need to with all women but married women. you need to turn around dismal poll numbers with the kinds of women you need to bring around. >>ening ole, thank you, say hello to your parents. i really appreciate them. >> you just made your day. >> i'll tell you what, we do have tremendous numbers of democrats. you see that in the open runs. we have tremendous numbers of democrats who have voted for me. in fact, new york, which is closed, they are saying some of the people in the polling booths interviewed by local television, they said all the year we've been here, one 25 years, the other 40 years at the booth, most incredible thing i've seen, people came in democrats, we want to vote for donald trump. you weren't allowed to do that. they were saying hundreds and hundreds of people were coming in that were registered democrats that wanted to vote for donald trump. they said they have never seen that and make of them have been working in the polling booth 40
years. as far as women are concerned, they want to see strength in our military. they want to see strength for our border. they want to see the country protected. we have a military that's being decimated. we have a military that is totally ill prepared, and in many cases ill equipped. when general left six months ago, he said never has our military been so ill prepared or something to that effect. i will tell you, women wan to see strength, a strong military. >> they want someone steady. i see women voters see you shoot from the hip in a way that makes them nervous. >> actually i don't shoot from the hip? >> no? >> i don't shoot from the hip. i will say this, the recent victories in pennsylvania, new york, all over, maryland, kailua-kona, all up and down,
one after another, i was so strong with women. i won women every single time by massive majorities. in fact, very close to the men. supposedly i'm doing extremely well with men. much, much better than hillary. that's her weakness. i'm doing really well with the men. i was doing well in the last seven or eight states. i was doing just as well, in one case better with women. they want to see a secure country. i'm going to do better. i'm going to bring jobs back. hillary doesn't know anything about jobs. her husband signed nafta. nafta is the single worst economic thing that's happened to this country that i can think of. it sucked the jobs and sucked the money right out of our country. we're going to make big changes. >> john heilemann, you're next. john heilemann, again, this is a remarkable general election where you're going to have a republican nominee more populist
on trade and more of a populist on intervention, military intervention than the democratic nominee. you talk about like the obama people say, the deck is being reshuffled. we'll see how that shakes out but i want to ask a question. good morning, donald. >> good morning. >> you're heading down an election by most reckoning going to cost a billion dollars in the campaign. you've been proud about being self-funded. you have people talking about pro trump super pacs. as you head into the general election are you going to welcome the support of super pacs. >> first of all, ed rollins has been tremendous. we talked about kraut hammer, they have problems, george well
that nobody listens to or reads. i'm going to be making a decision over the next week. the question is, i do love self-funding. i don't want anything for myself. we do need money for the party. the party will come together. i don't think it's imperative the entire party come together. i don't want everybody. i don't even want certain people that were extraordinarily -- let them go their own way. let them wait eight years or 16 years, i think we're going to have a great success against probably hillary because the system is totally rigged against bernie, totally rigged against him. so probably we're going to have hillary. and i will make a decision fairly soon as to that. do i want to sell a couple of buildings and self-fund? i don't know that i want to do that necessarily but i really won't be asking for money for myself, i'll be asking money for the party. really, it's something we're going to start on right away. i got a call last night from
reince priebus. it's something we're going to start on now. >> willie has an important question. >> before you go, i know you've got to run, we confirmed at nbc news your campaign started to vet vice presidential candidates. who are the names you're looking at? >> it's too soon. i just don't want to do it. i think a lot of people are talking about certain names, certainly those are the names we're thinking of. >> can you give us one or two. >> i think i will say i probably will go the political route. i have the business, let's call it talents. i think i'll probably go political route, somebody that can help me with legislation, somebody that can get things passed. somebody that's been friends with senators and congressman, so we don't have to go the executive order route as much as obama did, where he can't get anything approved so he just keeps signing executive orders. but more than likely, i would go the political route. >> so not a general. a lot of people proposed a
military leader. >> well, it's something i thought of, and there's one person i think is very good. i really want to -- i think more likely i'm inclined to go -- speaking of general, i think one of my strengths -- one of my strengths is economy and jobs. we're going to make great trade deals. we're going to reverse it. right now we're a laughingstock all over the world with the dumb deals we make. one of my really great strengths will be the military, will be getting us out and winning and getting us out of the mess we're in in the middle east. we're up to almost $4 trillion of spending and thousands and thousands of lives, more importantly. but i think it will be -- end up being a strength. so we'll see what happens. >> donald, congratulations on what even your sharpest detractors would have to call a truly historic run, unprecedented in our lifetime. it's really incredible.
congratulations. >> thank you very much, joe. thank you, mika. >> all right. we'll see
you soon. >> really, let's just stop for a second. we were hammering with questions. but really, let's just stop for a second. an incredible, historic run. nothing like it, willie. >> imagine a year ago right now may 4th, 2015. there were whispers he might run. everyone said to promote "the apprentice," a stunt, an act. >> he'll never do it. >> i think everyone had the moment where we had last night, where we saw him up there at the podium, reince priebus the head of the republican party say he's the presumptive nominee. wow, it happened. part of our daily lives, used to him being in it. donald trump, a guy who has been in our lives, celebrity, real estate developer, loudmouth guy is one step away from the white house. it's unbelievable.
>> even when we were saying from day one he could do it, still, last night you just sat there and went wow. >> never really a moment other than the night of wisconsin in doubt. his dominance was the one consistent story week after week after week. so this might have been a revelation or surprise to those of us who covered it. the voters were never particularly ambivalent about it. >> someone said he can't beat hillary, can he? she loves hillary clinton. i said, we've been wrong every step of the way. so everybody has got to calm down and let the story play out. >> there were 17 republican candidates who were sure he could not win. >> seventeen. up next we're going to break down what we just heard in the interview and more. >> by the way, bernie, big win last night. (man) ah i forgot to record
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cruz just won through his own advancement. this goes on -- i am reading frankie bruni's book. how long is this. >> ambition always the biggest problem. >> great op-ed. >> long read. >> nobody in washington likes him. he was unlikable on the campaign trail, quite frankly. it was hard to watch him on television. let's be real. >> the mile, started --
>> here is the bottom line. he shut down the government. he's everything that people don't want ultimately. >> it's all right, champ. >> why? i am warm. is it warm in here? >> are you all right? how are you doing? sam, so anyway. i was going to say something, getting on in years. ted cruz, isn't it extraordinary how cruz did achieve by sheer will power and force in the organization? >> yeah, he was the most organized candidate. he raised a lot of money. he proved himself able to be campaigning. i'm on team mika here, you have to be actually liked to win votes. that was his big problem. people didn't like him. i think there would have been a more viable -- >> wait a second. he would have done better.
>> people in manhattan and washington, d.c., didn't like him. he won like how many states did the guy win? >> eleven. >> how many states have you and i won combined? >> twelve. >> okay. that is true. maybe together we're more likable than ted cruz. >> as people got to know him -- >> eleven states, that ain't nothing, that's pretty huge. >> that's not nothing. >> somebody likes him. >> he basically matched what ted santorum did. that's good. i'm thinking and saying he was an able campaigner, ran a really good campaign, incredible infrastructure, went further than a lot of people thought. in the end what tripped him up is people don't like him. >> mika, saying that just isn't kind. >> i'm sorry. when you lose the "huffington post" and you're a conservative, you've lost it all. "morning joe" lost america when you lost sam stein.
you're talking about how campaigns changed forever. the most shocking thing to me, ted cruz is the only person who seems to give a damn about organization. he had the best organization, the best people around him. you know what, it all starts at the top. you and i both know that a campaign reflects the person at the top. ted cruz wouldn't have won 11 states unless ted cruz wasn't extraordinarily focused. >> it's completely tied to why he got out last night. he is his own best political strategist. i'm sure it was his call entirely to get out last night because he saw there was no path forward. i will say he deserves a lot of credit for what he did behind the scenes. he was successful at lining up more delegates than trump for the second ballot. the reason thaet ended up hurtig him, though, trump turned it into part of his message. even when he was winning he was losing. >> a lot of talk after cruz's speech he was positioning himself for 2020.
to mika's point, what changes four years from,000? what makes him more likable, more of a mainstream candidate? >> nothing. >> stop it. he runs against trudeau. >> who knows? how will he conduct himself when he gets back to the senate? how will he conduct himself with the rest of the campaign? >> he was unsuccessful in the senate. >> this guy got in in 2012. >> just stop. >> i think it was '12. >> i don't know. >> i can't believe i don't know. i think it was '12. i think he came in a couple years after marco. look how quickly he progressed. i have to say he knew what his niche was. he won 11 states. he won 2012. four years later the guy is next in line when we run in '20. i bet he goes back to the senate and i bet he starts making friends. now he can engage in the long play. >> let me know when that
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>> i love the post. >> take four. coming up at the top of the hour, why donald trump says he doesn't want the endorsement of some of the gop leaders. what he told us just moments ago. my daughter just asked me for the pickup truck that barnicle is going to get me. no. >> live to indiana where ted cruz's campaign came to a halt last night. nbc holly jackson looking for a new beat. she joins us reporting what's next with the former candidate. and part of the concession speech that had the internet buzzing. sort of atkinson swan, '76-'77. >> stop. flungy. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready. giving them the agility to be flexible & reliable.
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. i want to thank and congratulate the republican national committee, reince priebus i just spoke to. he's doing a tremendous job. it's not easy. he had 17 egos and now he's down to -- i don't know, is there a second? just so you know, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or doesn't like me but he's one hell of a competitor. he's one tough, smart guy. [ applause ] and he has got an amazing future. >> he still doesn't like you. also, ted cruz being tough on the stage. yesterday, carly went down, just sort of stared at her.
that was rough. i'm sure you remember, atkinson four-armed the swann. who doesn't know what i'm talking about? >> who are you talking about? >> same to playoff in '76, two concussions in one. >> what are you talking about? >> last night, ted cruz happened on stage, four-arm shiver. >> kind of did, inadvertent. >> two. he had one, then two. >> geez. that's going to leave a mark on that, i think. that's enough. >> willie, what do you think? >> just waking up, ted cruz out of the race. >> good morning, everyone. >> out of the house today. didn't mention donald trump's name. >> your big moment, your last moment and you had to crack me in the nose with your elbow. >> that was heidi cruz getting
hit in the face with his elbow. >> twice. >> let's say it was an inadvertent elbow. >> not a lifetime for television movie. >> the internet -- >> washington senior political editor and correspondent sam stein. >> sam stein, how are you, sam? good to see you. >> man, that was a shot to the face. that did look painful. >> that was tough. >> been through enough in this campaign with donald trump to get the elbow from her husband. his speech was interesting. he didn't mention donald trump. he didn't show magnanimity, is that the word? >> that's good. >> didn't show -- >> lee harvey oswald. >> he said given all the terrible things he said yesterday about donald trump he still won't say i won't support him as the nominee. is there a chance ted cruz comes around and gets behind -- >> it's going to happen.
of course it is. >> the other thing cruz didn't talk about was the republican party. he talked about the movement. he was talking to the conservative movement, which he assumes to lead now as the last orthodox conservative standing. look, ted cruz -- we'll have ted cruz to kick around for a while. >> cruz wille around for smite make time. he's not really going anywhere. he's going to endorse donald trump, because he's going to be around for a long time. if you're not running again, you don't have to endorse him. >> of course senator rubio has been fairly quiet. he's in an undisclosed location somewhere. >> even rubio has come around. rubio is now talking about he'll support trump if he's the nominee. >> just for a second here. >> are you going to bring up some boring historical parallel
here. >> i am. abraham lincoln. >> okay. mainstream. five years ago willie and i were calling donald trump -- >> the abraham lincoln of our time. >> john fremont. >> that was for you. >> he's such a flirt. >> i tell you. works very well in the tapioca line at nursing homes. get medical devices out. >> we don't want to hear -- you know what, if we want -- >> word pictures. >> donny deutsch now. >> that's it. i'm retiring. >> lincoln, theodore roosevelt, dwight eisenhower, bob dole, george herbert walker bush, george w. bush, donald trump is now the nominee of the party that gave the party this number of people. >> i've been trying to think of
a historical parallel i've gone through in mind for nominees. talked about wendell willkie before in '44, came out of nowhere. he was beloved on wall street. it was a very easy transition. has anybody come out of nowhere like this? i certainly can't think about it in the 20th century, can you think of anybody in political history in the united states of america, something like this. what's the parallel? >> what's make this analogy proof, if you think about it like i do, usually they start strong -- this is what i thought would happen. they start strong within the party system but end up outside the. whether strom thurmond, ross perot. >> buchanan. >> roosevelt did this with huey
long. >> was he responsible for shooting him? donald trump has a picture. >> he tries to take some of the elements, calm the supporters down. we must tame these fellows is what fdr said. no one could contain trump. so we saw this before. this is like the hijacking of an airplane but the passengers are for the hijacker. >> cheering, the pilot is going what's going on. gene, i was struck -- >> took a while to get to the last part. >> the best part, worth the buildup. >> that's what the ladies said. >> worth the build up. it's a slow build up but really worth it. this is good tapioca. get asked gene robinson, though, when you're listening to trump and he goes back to nafta -- he was talking about nafta like it was 1992, 1994, he is going straight -- we have seen this before. this is ripping a page from pat
buchanan's playbook and ross perot's playbook. >> it's populist, to the left of clinton. i think we said yesterday, he's going to run to the left of hillary clinton on a number of issues. >> on war, on trade. >> war and trade. he will certainly be to the left of her and he will portray her as a tool of the system that is rigged against you and me. >> so in order to -- yes, joe? >> i'm just stretching out. directing traffic. >> i was going to say yes, donald trump came out of nowhere politically but certainly not culturally. he arrives in this moment where everybody is sick of politicians. he has 100% name id, he's got money. he can fill this void. it was perfect storm in culture and he steps into it. >> intellectual elites in washington and boston.
>> i don't think that's true. >> surprised, i don't think intellectual elites are. i think the comfortable, wherever they are, are surprised that the economic anger was so deep and so close to the surface. if you're on the right side of the economic equation. >> i will say first year of "morning joe," my dad said this, he did. >> donald trump will get the nomination. >> economic inequality, how it will bubble over. he even talked about rioting. oh, my god, why would you say that, he's losing it. look where we are. look how angry everybody is. look who the presumptive nominee is. that didn't come out of nowhere. >> the thing so maddening to trump's critics, there are so many inconsistencies. populist, working class americans are flocking to a guy who has said wages are too high. we can't be competitive because wages are too high. there are so many inconsistencies. again, i think trump has figured out and i will say it again,
it's strength. it's all strength. i had a guy who is really involved in florida politic, a mover and shaker. he said the most remarkable thing is barack obama has defined both party's races this year, bernie sanders and donald trump. we talked about paris, post paris, obama seen as weak, donald trump that was his define moment. it was grabbing a mic in nashua, it was a perceived weak response from an american president. >> we learned months and months and months ago these seeming conflicts in his position or lack of policy details didn't matter to people going out and voting. they were voting for the idea of his strength, the idea of what he could do for them. >> concept of his brand, make america great again. >> the economic populist, donald trump is a billionaire who lives on fifth avenue in an apartment literally made out of gold.
>> better than anybody in washington. >> look at fdr. there was so much anger against the republican establishment. that's what i find fascinating. it wasn't just anger against president obama. it was anger against republican establishment. >> washington, go ahead. >> both establishment. fascinating, went to nafta last night. remember, 1993 when clinton is trying to pass it, he invites carter, ford, bush 41 to the white house. big east room ceremony and clinton divisive baby boom figure trying to bring in the old guard to show. that's exactly why trump was winning. there was bipartisan, 40-year economic trend where wages have not gone up. people feel that a promise was made to them about american life and it has not been honored. >> again and again. >> again and again. both parties. >> that's why the general election is not a foregone
conclusion because of the embodiesments of 40 years. >> people think the system is rigged, rigged on trade. bill clinton campaigns against china, talks about human rights abuses in china. he gets elected. he goes and talks to george h.w. bush before he's inaugurated. they come out and suddenly he's making overtures to china three years after tiananmen square. it always happens. it's the same thing with the military. >> dangerous year to be part of the establishment. >> let's get to holly. first we spoke to front-runner donald trump in his first interview since winning indiana last night. we asked donald about his turn to the general election, how he plans to unify the republican party and if he even wants the endorsement of ted cruz. >> you brutalized a lot of them. jeb bush, low energy. ted cruz, lyin' ted cruz. how do you now, especially after yesterday, how do you get people like ted cruz to endorse you and
unite this party. you're talking about uniting the party. even yesterday you talk about lee harvey oswald. how do you turn around and unite the party today? >> well, i've gotten a lot of calls from people that were far more brutal than ted was, and they want to join the team. in fact, i said to them, how can you do that after what you said? they said, don't worry about it, that's not a problem, because they are politicians. it's talk. i've had calls -- i'll have to tell you about them, calls really wanting to get on immediately. this was as of a week ago, even two weeks ago when it looked like we're doing well. >> do you care if ted cruz endorses you. >> i think it would be nice. i've been saying for some time, there are some people i almost don't want their endorsement, i really don't. it was too rough. they were too nasty. i don't think it's going to matter, frankly. it's going to be me. i am a republican and i'll do a good job.
>> joining us from indiana, nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. hallie, what a story you've been covering. >> reporter: yeah, 13 months, you know, came to an end last night in this sort of really emotional moment. a lot of people in the crowd were crying. you heard the reaction when cruz announced he was suspending his campaign. people in the room were surprised to hear that's what he was doing. i had one gentleman turn to me during the speech and said, i think he might be dropping out. we had already reported he was i said to the gentleman. ted cruz not above the fold. decisive, donald trump, his family. ted cruz down below hugging his running mate carly fiorina as he moves to the next thing. he's in houston today spending some time to his family and then heads back to the senate. this place where he's hated, where he's considered one of the most hated men in congress. he doesn't have a lot of friends. that's what's next for him. what you heard in his speech,
his concession speech was this sort of soaring and optimistic tone as cruz tried to, i guess, keep hope alive if there is to be another presidential rundown the road. his more immediate future is in washington, d.c. what happened for cruz overall, indiana was tough for him. he tried to portray this as a head-to-head matchup between himself and donald trump for months. he had been talking about getting it down to this two-man race and could not pull it out in indiana. that's why you saw the writing on the wall for him. the trump wall was too much for him to overcome. you talk about whether he wants his endorsement. it's interesting, i hadn't heard that sound bite saying it would be nice to get the endorsement. cruz is now de facto leader of conservative movement, grassroots movement. so if he is able to throw his support behind trump, that could give trump a boost among people
who backed people like ben carson and didn't shift over to donald trump. will he endorse donald trump? he hasn't said he wouldn't. he's had every opportunity to say whether he definitively would or not, so the door is open for him. >> hallie, thank you very much. does it matter if he endorses him? >> yeah, it does. donald trump right now, we talked about this, donald trump's unfavorability rating is in the 60s -- >> but that's going to help? >> you start uniting republicans, get them on your side, more of them on your side. the 60s go down to 50s. at the very least you can say, well, my favorability rating is no worse than hillary clinton's. >> you go down the list of fallen republican candidates, i was looking it up this morning, rick perry who said donald trump was a cancer in conservatism now says he'll support donald trump. bobby jindal whole riff attacking donald trump. eventually he went to marco rubio starting to come around. these guys who were vaporized by
donald trump, attacked in such a personal way eventually do come around to him. >> when you call somebody a pathological liar. >> he called rubio things, too. >> this is what cruz called trump yesterday. you know, so when you do that, how do you turn around and say, but, he's the next presidential candidate. >> which is why people hate politics. but sam stein, they will get there and cruz will get there. the dividing line here is if you want to run in a republican primary in the future, you are not going to be seen as somebody who is sitting on your hands to let hillary clinton get elected and appoint three people to the united states supreme court. people -- what month are we in here? people can moan on may 4th all they want to but october 4th, novemb october 30th, november 1st, it changes. it always changes. there will be some holdouts, no doubt about it. but if you're cruz, you're going
to support him. >> i agree with 95% of this. i do think there's a possibility of george romney, barry goldwater, somebody calculates make a political bet to be on the opposite side of trump, the idea the republican party might tilt back towards the middle a little bit here. i wouldn't be surprised if you have a problem in an official not launching a third party run but speaking out forcefully against their own party nominee. i want to back up a little bit when you're talking about contradictions in donald trump. i think not just contradictions that befuddle his opponents and bemused and frustrated his critics. he was sort of appearing in unreality. for instance, during the sbr view just with you guys he spoke about the opposition with iraq war when we know demonstrably, that's not true. he supported the iraq war. no one figured out how to call
him out on that unreality. >> sam stein, you're right. there are inconsistency. he said the war started, and i've said this time and again, he said the week the war started that it was doing to be a mess. he certainly said that ahead of hillary clinton -- >> certainly ahead of hillary clinton. >> and every other republican he was running against. >> that's true. but he was on howard stern's show, asked about the war and said, yeah, i guess i support it. he goes around and says he's been against it from the beginning, that's just a flat out lie and unreality. no one has figured out how to hold him accountable for that, whether in the media or his republican opponents. i think that's a credit to trump in some respects. >> i will say when that buzzfeed clip came out with howard stern, he was confronted on this show, another show, i was on that same day and asked about it. he gives a round about answer. turns out voters didn't care about the contradiction.
they didn't care about a lot of the contradictions with trump. >> okay. >> what i found early on is people don't care about your biography. they just don't. a lot of them don't care about your past. i was sort of running as a 29-year-old with no biography. they don't care about your past. they care about their future. they will always say, i don't care what you did over the past 20 years, what are you going to do for me next year. and clearly for working class voters and a lot of middle class, upper class voters, they decided trump was going to give them a better future than 16 other republicans. >> right. the old durability of the clinton family is based on that. don't stop thinking about tomorrow. bill clinton has tested that in every conceivable way. but they do understand the politics of tomorrow. so the question rhetorically for her is can she not allow trump to get inside her head to some
extent the way, to sam's point. it's going to be for anybody who has done this for 30 minutes, he's an uncontrollable phenomena and it drives them crazy. >> i'll say one thing following up on what sam said, i learned this speaking of parallel between the clintons and trump. i learned this on government reform and oversight very early on. people would come in, the clintons we just found out they did this. we'd look at it and go, oh, my god, nobody can get away with that. we'd hold hearings. their lawyers would come. they would lie. they would lie so clearly that everybody was laughing in the entire room except the witness. everybody knew they were lying. livingstone guy, hillary connection, he came in and he lied through his teeth for three hours in the hearing. everybody laughed because the lying was so obvious.
people talk about monica lewinsky, that's nothing compared to selling missile technology to china when the state department, the pentagon, nsa, everybody says, do not sell it. even though the guy that is getting the profits is top daughter to dnc. it's bad for national security. i can give 1,000 things. i learned they keep the scandals coming so fast and it comes at you, it's like drinking out of a fire hydrant. i learned from the clintons, if you're going to have scandals, rack up a lot of them. if you're going to have inconsistencies, rack up a lot of them. if you're going to have lies, lie nonstop and your critics can't keep up with you. >> oh, my god, i don't know where to begin with this. i don't know where to begin with this. >> in 1995, by 1997 i was commenting on this, about bill clinton. you guys can say whatever you want to say, he's going to get away with it because people tune
us out. the same thing, gene, is happening to donald trump. you say inconsistency. yeah, great, of course he's inconsistent. >> people did tune you guys out on clinton and the same thing could happen with trump. it could happen. we'll see. you know, i think we all have to be convinced that the appeal he demonstrated in the primaries extends to the broader electorate. i have to be shown specifically that he doesn't galvanize the latino vote into a pretty powerful anti-trump weapon. >> i don't see how he gets above mitt romney's 27% with the latino vote. if he can't do that, how does he win? >> how do the numbers work. >> now, we should all be
continually reluctant at this point to ascribe ceilings to donald trump. >> yeah. >> ceilings with donald trump. it doesn't work very well. >> to the man you called "godzilla." >> exactly. >> the post then a break. jon meacham with the post. the thinking man's donny deutsch. >> a morning of 1,000 political stars, chuck todd, chris jansing, tom brokaw, ron fortier among all of our guests plus hillary clinton looks ahead to the general election. some comments she made about coal jobs in america. donald trump is already using them as an attack on her. >> she went to west virginia. she's sending a message, we are not going to cede white working class voters to anybody. it's the clintons. they are going to fight. >> we'll be right back.
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during ohio primary, it sounded like i said something differently about coal miner jobs. to put it plainly, i misspoke. it's one reason why i took this trip, to say that directly to the people affected, to make sure you know where i stand because i would never disrespect the people here. >> we're going to get those miners back to work. i'll tell you what, we're going to get those miners back to work. we're not going to be hillary clinton, and i watched her three or four weeks ago when she was talking about the miners as if they were just numbers. she was talking about she will let the mines close and they will never work again. let me tell you, the miners in west virginia and pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, and ohio and all over, they are going to start to work again. believe me. you're going to be proud again to be miners. >> donald trump hitting hillary
clinton after she again explained her comments about putting coal miners and companies out of business. joining us nbc news special tom brock ow. host of npt daley chuck todd. >> try to put this in perspective, there is no perspective, donald trump. >> i think it's a defining moment in politics for now when you add up the bottom line. here is a guy who is not an elected officer, the only one in the race, used his own money, defined all the conconventional wisdom on what to say on the campaign trail. a lot not true, very provocative. nonetheless, people chose him in part because it is a total rejection of the political establishment as it now stands. that's an ominous sign for hillary clinton who is a product of that political establishment. whatever else you think about him, fact is he won with votes.
he didn't win by cheating and he spent his own money. that has a big impact out there. it's going to be interesting, to put it mildly at this point. >> we said -- chuck todd, the day he came down the escalator, we said the more the media underestimates him, the more they mock him and ridicule him, the more powerful he is. as tom said, everybody wants to say this is what caused it, it was the media that elected him on cnn that put him on too much or "morning joe," no, we wish we were that powerful. tom just said it, it was the voters. and the establishment in washington, d.c., was clueless to this. in the political establishment a year ago. >> they didn't want to believe the party had changed. that's clearly what happened. a political party is not defined by its leadership, it's defined by the people that choose to be members of it. guess what, we found out the republican party is quite
different than the one paul ryan and bill crystal think it is. it just is. and whether it's mostly -- a ton of different ways people are going to look at this. this is a rejection of republican, conservative economic philosophy. this is a rejection of this, a rejection of that. there's going to be little bits of truth to all of it. what trump was able to do, he took over the party in his own terms. he didn't have to -- he didn't have to sort of deal with anybody else, accept any other prepares, he created his own premise. >> so what is it -- >> that is a remarkable thing. he did it on his own terms. we were in new hampshire when he uttered a word to the crowd that would have obliterated the campaign of any other republican. >> absolutely. >> he's taken positions on planned parenthood that would have obliterated the campaign of any other republicans. he's had inconsistencieses that
would have obliterated the campaign of any other republicans and -- >> what's that line of 90 miles an hour. >> nobody stops you when you're going 90 miles an hour. >> the question is, maybe we don't know the answer. maybe this is something that's evolving tom brokaw at the moment. what is the party right now? ted cruz was trying to define the parameters of his conservative agenda, other candidates tried. they are all gone. what is the party donald trump is the presumptive nominee of, how would you define it. >> at the moment, it's whatever donald trump says it is. he's the big leader of the party at the moment playing against all the conventional rules like we talked about. a whole lot of senators are getting up looking in the mirror. six months ago they are saying i could be president, now they are saying, how do i get a reality television show. >> you covered a guy in '66, ronald reagan, that was on a tv show that had 20 million viewers
from '55, '56 to '62. >> that was a big advantage for him, obviously. but he'd also been involved in the party structure. he made a great speech for barry goldwater in '64. he was very active in california politic, getting ready to run for governor at the time with a very smart team around him, spencer, out there keeping track of all this. it's not exactly the same. you cannot also diminish the importance of the culture we live. it is a celebrity culture. you can't diminish the impact of the digital universe, the twittering he did and others did as well. that played a whole other kind of constituency that wouldn't become accustomed to it. >> willie, i'm finally getting around to seeing this guy in a starring role in the people
versus o.j. simpson. i looked at that and makes you gasp going back to '94 saying that changed our culture. just like that changed our culture, that like this changes our political culture, right? >> i think so. the one thing ronald reagan had that trump didn't have, a way station in california. some pretty major political experience. trump went right from "the apprentice" to one step away from the white house. made a point, hillary clinton should be careful, if you're betting money maybe you bet on her at this moment. if elections are about change, as they have been in the past, she's not change and he is. >> right now this is an interesting contrast that the two are going to set up. you're going to have hillary clinton, probably borrowing a play from obama playbook, identity, constituency politics, target this demographic group in this region of this state.
here in colorado, northern virginia -- >> chuck, didn't obama show us in '8and '12, that wins general elections. >> no doubt. that's how the campaign -- it's not going to be prose. it's not going to be -- trump is going to run a total gut election, not some conventional way. the thing hillary clinton has to be careful of, she's a terrible gut politician. they tried to show -- it was interesting, an attempt for clinton to do something uncomfortable for her. go back to a place where she's not very popular and sort of confront it and deal with it. >> that was a really good moment, wasn't it, chuck? really good. >> if she can do more of it. that was out of her comfort zone. she normally never likes to do stuff like that. >> no. >> but she has -- that's one
thing, to make sure she can beat trump, she's got to be able to do more things than that. by wait, did you notice who was flanked to her right. >> brown. >> that's not an accident. >> we're now entering second half, completely different first half. getting the nomination is one thing. now we're talking about the white house. we're talking about the presidency. we're talking about the most powerful office in the world. honestly, donald trump owes the country more than just incredible, amazing, i'm doing really well. we need to know more about, in fact, what he does have in mind when he talks. a thing that would also be helpful to see his tax returns. >> lots of luck with that. >> thank you for being with us tom brokaw and chuck todd. >> by the way, have you seen the people versus o.j. yet? >> i haven't seen my portions of it. >> the bronco scene, you're the star. it's pretty incredible. >> i'll tell you one quick johnny cochran story, if i can. >> alex?
is that okay? are you going to cut off tom brokaw. >> going crazy in the control room. >> 1956 first arrived and went to work for nbc in los angeles, 26 years old. there was something called the little watts, a man named leonard detwiler shot by cops as he was rushing his child to the hospital to deliver a baby. >> by the way, cochran told that story in people versus o.j. >> and the town went up again. i was assigned to it, in the thick of it, down at the courthouse when this white rolls-royce pulls up to the courthouse. out steps this hand some african-american man with a lot of gold jewelry and white suit and points at me. he said, young mr. brokaw i've been watching you on television every night. you and i are going to be good friends. my name is johnny cochran. that was my introduction to him. >> that's how you met willie, white rolls-royce.
>> stayed that way until when the o.j. murder happened, when that murder case was being filed against him, i called cochran and i said, i want you on our team. i know you can't be here a long time because he's obviously going to come find you. okay, brother, he said, i'll be there as long as i can be. two weeks later he called and said the juice has called. i've got to go. >> worth it. tom brokaw, thank you. we'll be right back. >> thank you, tom. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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some of the most incredible competitors that i have ever competed against right here on the republican party. >> absolutely. absolutely. someone very close to me thinks it's more than that. >> 50/50. >> indiana voters. >> hold on a second. we have breaking news. so you went to see "hamilton" again last night. >> what's wrong with you? >> was it incredible? >> the level of talent displayed for three hours on a stage in broadway is literally in comprehensible. >> 16 tony nominations. >> record breaking. mark halperin said it was a staggering work of genius. >> yes. >> everybody that's gone. kate went to see it and was just completely blown away. >> the most jaded people i know in new york say i've heard all the hype. then they go, oh, my god, what did i just see. the impact it had without going
too deep into it, my kids know every word to the show, we have the album, we haven't seen the show. she had a project on founding fathers. thomas jefferson had an afro in his picture because she knows thomas jefferson as this actor davide diggs as hamilton. >> we're coming back from a school event and kate last night is just chewing at me for having a thomas jefferson-like picture in the house. i mean, thomas jefferson, i guess in "hamilton," he is the bad guy. actually able to talk about the founding fathers, jefferson verse hamilton versus -- i'm just. i don't know what to say. >> like today, real battles. >> unbelievable. >> i will not name them because i have a feeling they might get retribution, but i sent two
members of my family to "hamilton." >> they had to be blown away. >> they didn't like it. >> i've never met anybody that didn't like it. >> that's the first time i've heard that. seriously. >> no, they didn't like it. the second half was really slow. >> i'm trying to comprehend. >> i don't want to disparage. >> spent a lot of money on the tickets. i went on this thing called stub hub. stub hub. >> the impact of the primaries they had a hold on perspective parties. according to exit polling, 56% of republican voters said the election divided their party compared to democrats 73% said the primary energized their party. with us now, ladies and gentlemen -- >> veteran columnist. >> let's all rise. >> mike barnicle now preside over -- >> nbc political analyst and
former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. >> 50/50 that trump wins. why? >> because, i think there's a vein that he has really figured out how to tap into that cuts across all the sides. you look at pennsylvania, it's in place. you look at states, big blue wall, democrats always had an advantage in presidential elections. the question republicans ask, which states can we get to take away? which ones can we take? this may ab year you can look seriously at some of these states that become available for gop, colorado, pennsylvania, et cetera. now, we're a long way from that. but i'm just saying the way the country is setting itself up, the mood is being exposed in democrat and republican primaries, this is a nice free fall this fall. it's a 50/50 race. >> michael, how does he turn
around the math, his unfavorable 65, women, minorities, young voters, all those things mitt romney didn't get. they said if we don't get them next time -- where you now have two people going head-to-head. the party's reset, the campaign's reset, the voters reset. they look at the race differently than they do when there's 17 people on the stage trying to get a sound bite in. the reality is donald trump has to do some homework. he's got to do further changing. he's beginning to make the pivot, he's making the turn and needs to complete the turn. he just can't half-step it and fall back into a rift and think that's it. he has to show people, i think tom brokaw and you put your fingers on it, he's got to move in a direction to show the voters he's ready to be president. one other thing, this -- remember 2008? these were similar headlines in 2008, the death of the republican party, it's all over, let's bury it, they're gone.
i inherited that party along with a lot of hard workers out there. and folks, it didn't -- >> two years later the republicans storm back. >> we take the congress, we take governorships and legislatures. the reality of it is, it is about messages, messengers. donald trump has the presumptive party to take it back to some of the arguments we used to make. >> there's one other aspect holding up that paper that really has come into factor in this election cycle. and it is that, in a sense, the death of the power of the media. the media no longer matters. donald trump can and has said these outrageous things. no editorials -- >> 30-second ads don't matter. >> they don't matter. >> nothing you do. >> endorsements don't matter. well, he's self-funded. >> it's a waste of money. >> it all didn't matter this time around. and there are some extremely refreshing aspects to this. >> but why? why do you think it didn't matter? >> well, it's not -- everyone thinks that the media did it,
this and that, how about because people are angry and want something different. >> try this, 1999, off the top of my head, impeachment, 2000, the election recount. 2001, failed -- failed intel on 9/11. 2002, enron and worldcom. 2003, failed wmmds. twroo 2005, katrina. i can literally do it every year. >> it is 16 years of successful governmental failures. >> absolutely. >> not doing better anymore than us. that's the bottom line right there. and donald trump does sell a brand that says our kids should do better than us. we're going to make america great again. in that vain, people really, truly, do not think there's anybody in washington, in the establishment, any way connected to washington who can do that for them. >> and, by the way, you know,
when somebody living in western pennsylvania, hears all the smart guys on tv saying, you know what? you've got to get the smart guys that went to yale, that went to harvard, that went to columbia, i'm not being anti-intellectual, but when they say you're stupid in you don't vote for the smart guys, they've got it wrong. they just got it wrong. a guy from eureka college, there's a reason he's the last republican. >> real quickly, his real opponent this fall, barack obama. barack obama is eagerly looking forward to campaigning against donald trump. >> and the more he campaigns against him the more he helps him. >> yes, that remains to be seen. >> if he wants to hurt donald trump, he should just golf. he really should just stay on the golf course. because he does not want to defend this foreign policy because he will help elect donald trump. >> okay. >> we'll see.
>> michael steele -- >> we'll see. >> mike barnacle, thank you. i'm still waiting. >> do you think obama against -- >> i think obama will play a pivotal role. >> if he wants to play that, but joe's right, it hurts. >> we have two more hours. you're going to worn -- wait until he's the actual nominee. >> 1237. >> okay. then 1,238? >> ribbon ceremony. >> out in the parking lot. >> i wish. still ahead, hillary clinton will pivot to the general, but bernie sanders just won't let that happen. why he says he's helping the party staying in the race. and m. which provided for their every financial need. and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last. but with their raymond james financial advisor, they had prepared for even the unthinkable. and they danced.
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so alex, let's go to alex for a second, what did you think of "hamilton"? >> it is impossible not to be at awe in the work of literature work performance. it's incredible to know one person who that and how they perform it, it's unbelievable. >> i've heard the same thing. a staggering accomplishment. coming up next, our conversation with a likely presidential republican nominee. >> presumptive. >> he just came over and put his hand right on my shoulder. donald trump, very presumptive. >> what? >> right? >> i did that. remember the weird hug? >> i mean, jon meacham has freaked me out with this -- >> does he want the endorsement of ted cruz now that he's out of the race? it was an inside joke between me and him, don't worry about it.
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it really looks like a massive victory. and it looks like we win all 57 delegates. >> together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. but the voters chose another path. we are suspending our campaign. >> ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or if he doesn't like me, but he is one hell of a
competitor. >> i understand that secretary clinton thinks that this campaign is over. i've got some bad news for her. >> wow. what a night. donald trump has not officially won the republican nomination. but this morning nbc news is calling him the likely republican nominee. the republican front-runner won his seventh straight state last night. claiming 53% of the vote in indiana. >> it was a knockout blow to senator ted cruz who promptly suspended his campaign for the white house. john kasich, however, still clinging to his highly unlikely if not impossible presidential bid. >> bernie sanders, meanwhile, walked away the winner in indiana taking 53% of the vote to beat hillary clinton. >> still, hillary has a commanding lead in delegates. and the former first lady appears posed to ultimately knock down the nomination even while losing states in a prolonged and could be possibly damaging primary, mika.
good morning, how are you doing today? >> well, i'm one step closer to a pickup truck. because it is wednesday, may 4th. >> she's got to get that pickup truck, right? >> you can call it your presumptive pickup truck. >> have you got a brand yet? a color? features? >> i was thinking a sort of little offshoot of a truck, the fj cruiser, i love those. >> those are nice, right? >> the souped up one. >> she needs a punked sound in there. >> i was suggesting like an old 1989 azuzu trooper. >> didn't those get recalled? >> i kept mine. listen, the kids would love it saying, flip us. >> he better start thinking about when he's going to roll up to 30 rock in that thing. with us onset, managing editor
of bloomberg politics and co-host "with all due respects" is john -- >> you were with us all night last night, right? >> yes. until 11:00. it felt later than that but yes. >> what were you guys talking about with trucks and stuff? i was not following that at all. >> a long time ago back in the day -- >> back in the ancient days. >> it was in june, beginning in july, mike barnacle shook his head and said he's not going to win the nomination. >> meaning donald trump. >> yes. and mika bet him. >> i said i'll bet you a pickup truck that he will. we shook on it and we wrote it down on a piece of paper that jen has. >> i actually love the nature of
this bed. i thought it was slightly more lopsided. you said barnacle would give you a truck but you bet him nothing. >> well, that's not my fault. clearly ann is in charge of negotiations. ann is probably not happy. >> let's get to news. we'll pick out the color of the truck later. >> yeah. >> by the way, happy belated birthday. >> thank you very much. mika and i go back to back, may 2nd, may 3rd. so we have a week-long celebration. it's amazing, it's a week of heroes after the show. >> leads right up to cinco de mayo on thursday. >> let's not talk about that. okay, so, ted cruz and supporters put all their chips on indiana with $6 million spent on ads in support of him or against trump. but despite -- >> can we just stop right there? >> let's pause. >> i'm serious, look at those numbers. nicole, i will say it again, there are so many takeaways from
2016. this will -- even if trump loses 50 states, campaigning has changed forever. the 30-second ad dead on arrival. >> yeah. i mean, there is like, this is sort of a cycle about the grave yard of all thing that is will never be again, right? giant spinning staffs, you know, as you saw yesterday, not too much success, trump is his own research man, sort of media presence. he doesn't have a lot of paid -- to say that if this is sort of a cycle where just someone from the outside won is to vastly understate all that will never be the same in politics. >> we'll never be the same again. willie, we have been saying for some time, mika and i go out to speak, i know you do, too, a lot of young journalism will say, what do you have to do? and mika says, it's pretty easy, all you have to do is be able to write, shoot, be on camera, basically do everything. you're going to be a one-person
band. and have a vision. and she'll say that to young journalists. the days of carrying around 30 cameramen following -- it's over. it just happened in politics in 2016. those days are over. and we'll find a lot more do-it-yourself one man, one woman. >> i think that is true, but can someone who is not donald trump do what happened this time? in other words, if you don't have his celebrity, if you don't have his charisma, his ability to draw the eyes of the media to you every day, if you're some guy who is a, quote, outsider or regular politician, you're not going to get the following. >> look at bernie sanders. i'm not saying he got the votes, but he got the eyeballs. >> i think it's about -- it's about skillsets. >> yeah. >> and in a strange way, bernie has the skill sets that donald has that he sees on the message and the vision. and they go. >> and the last-minute endorsement from governor mike pence, that wasn't really an endorsement. the striking of an alliance with
john kasich. >> that was not an alliance. >> and naming carly fiorina. cruz found himself announcing the end of his campaign over gasps from the crowd. >> from the beginning, i've said that i would continue on as long as there was a viable path to victory. tonight i'm sorry to say -- >> no! >> it appears that path has been foreclosed. together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. but the voters chose another path. and so, with a heavy heart, but with boundless optimism for the long-term future of our nation,
we are suspending our campaign. but hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. >> just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or if he doesn't like me, but he's one hell of a competitor. he's a tough, smart guy. and he has got an amazing future. he's got an amazing future. so i want to congratulate ted. i know how tough it is, it's tough. it's tough. i've had some moments where it was not looking so good. and it's not a great feeling. and so i understand how ted feels. and heidi and their whole beautiful family. and i want to just say, though, that one tough competitor. >> so let's break this down a little bit. willie, first of all, let's answer the question, does ted
cruz like him or not? >> no. >> no, he probably does not. do you think heidi might like him a lot? the kids? >> no. >> dad? >> dad especially probably doesn't like him today. >> donald trump does that. remember, he did that with marco rubio. he becomes magnanimous. 12 hours earlier he was accusing ted cruz's father of being in on the assassination of john f. kennedy and then says he's a great guy, tough competitor. once he dispatches with you, it's fine. you're a good guy. >> it's a short-term. it's a short-term, sam stein. i don't know ted cruz will go, okay, you accuse my father of assassinating jfk but you were nice to me in the speech for five seconds so i'm on your side. >> it was ridiculous that he brought up the john f. kennedy stuff. let's just call it what it was. but on the back end of it, it does raise important questions, how does someone like ted cruz who spent yesterday calling donald trump every name in the
book, philanderer, liar, pathological, all the things you don't do in the course of a presidential campaign, how does a guy like that turn around and somehow go about supporting donald trump when the general election happens? that's a general problem donald trump does have to continue to deal with as he becomes a presumptive nominee. >> i don't think so. >> you don't? >> i don't think ted is just going to be nice the day after he's thrown in the towel. but i don't think think people are turning to ted cruz for advice on where to go. >> but -- >> i could be wrong. >> i've said this before, nicole, unlike marco rubio, we know ted cruz has a future in politics. >> really? >> in republican politics. i say marco -- he may never come back again. but ted cruz is going to be around in politics. and the thing that everybody thinks donald trump doesn't understand, it's not about donald trump but it's about that massive conservative/populist
wing in the party that elected guys like me in '94 and have been electing republicans in 2010 and 2014, that quite frankly ted cruz can't piss off. so what is he going to do, sit on the sidelines while donald trump gets elected? no, ted cruz has to come around at some point if he wants a future in republican politics. that's a reality. the trump people can sit on the sidelines all you want. you can't piss off 60% of the vote in republican primaries. you just can't if you want a future in politics. >> right. and this marks the beginning of sort of -- i think people have to be more intellectually honest on what trump means. it's been thrown around a lot, really for the last nine months, never trump, #nevertrump, i would never vote for trump. people who half-heartedly endorsed cruz because they could never see trump. but now they are for hillary. so it becomes curtain number one, donald trump. or curtain number two.
>> i don't know -- >> what is the third choice? >> well, in this category, some may not vote. >> exactly. and i'm saying, john, i completely understand those people who could do that for an honorable reason saying, i can't vote for a guy who just ten years ago was for partial birth abortions and five years ago was giving money to hillary clinton. i totally understand that. i'm talking about ted cruz and anybody that wants a future in the republican party. perfect about donald trump, if he loses, he's gone. but the 50%, 60% of the populist that goes out to decide who wins the republican primaries across the country, they are still going to be around. and that is why ted cruz -- don't you think ted cruz has to figure out how to get to donald trump? >> well, i don't know. in this sense, you could argue whether this is wise or not wise. what has happened with the -- donald trump's nomination is, as you point out, he's the number
one person in the republican party right now. the conservative movement is the biggest loser in the nomination fight. so does ted cruz decide -- >> hold on a second, let's define conservative movement. the conservative movement as defined by washington conservatives and the wall street journal editorial page. by the way, here's the thing -- social conservative activists, but there's a fusion ronald reagan got where you were able to pull together populists and the wall street editorial paper, which quite frankly are successful for republican candidates. i did it. i read the wall street editorial page in '94 and listened to rush limbaugh. fused it together to get 62% of the vote. i mean, to choose on this type of conservative or this type of conservative, nicole, that's what they have been doing this year. >> if you look at the last two presidential races with little success, but i agree with what
you're saying. i think that the republicans that run and live in fear of the social conservative activists, they were dealt a decisive loss. i mean, donald trump does not talk their talk. he's not pandering to their issues. he's good on guns but doesn't know the language of the culture of life. there's a question mark because the wall street editorial page and the national grassroots social conservative groups who do not have a dog in the fight now. >> well, we'll play it later, but after what ted cruz said yesterday afternoon about donald trump, that's going to be a hard thing to climb back from. he was losing it. >> the press conference earlier in the morning, yeah, i agree. >> also the bigger picture here is the beginning of the massive pivot toward the general election that we saw last night. everyone was talk about donald trump's countenance, his mood, his whatever. this was the beginning of the massive pivot. if you listen to his words and look at his tone, get ready for the new donald trump. >> by the way, you will also see pivot, the conservatives will be
angrier because more of them will pivot on issues. and, willie, if you're a conservative, you think, let me get this straight, we've got two new yorkers and two democrats running for president this year. you're a conservative if you're a traditional conservative, pretty bleak. >> one of the candidates who actually gave and donateded to the other one, the republicans in the past have given -- a little cozy there. but we're making distinges between conservatives and there are those, but a lot of people don't think he's a conservative at all, he's one or the other, he's just not a conservative period and won't vote for the guy. still ahead, a special extended edition of "morning joe." we get to go on and on. >> john, why does she say that to you? later this morning, bernie sanders notches another win. we are joined by white house correspondent chris jansing to
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joining us now, the winner of last night's primary in indiana, now the likely nominee for the republican party, donald trump. donald, congratulations. >> congratulations. >> good morning. >> donald, why don't you just admit to everybody that you never saw this coming. i mean, seriously, you have to be surprised yourself at how this played out. >> well, i'm happy about the way it played out. i mean, i was against -- we had 17 people, so that was a lot of people. some people said it was the finest group of talent ever assembled by any party at any time. i was watching that before i
announced and said, wow, what am i doing? and it was talent. i mean, some were very talented, quite frankly, but it worked out this way and i'm very happy about it. >> you brutalized a lot of them. jeb bush, low energy, ted cruz, lyin' ted cruz, we can go down the list. how do you know after yesterday get people like ted cruz to endorse you and unite this party? you talk about uniting the party, even yesterday you were talking about lee harvey oswald, so how do you unite the party today? >> well, i've gotten a lot of calls far from where ted was and said, i want to join your team. i said, how can you do that? they said, don't worry about it, it's not a problem, because they're politicians. so i've had calls, calls really
wanting to get on immediately. this was as of a week ago or two weeks ago when it was looking well. >> do you care if ted cruz endorses you? >> well, i think it would be nice. i've been saying for a long time that there's some people that i almost don't want their endorsement, republicans, i really don't, because it was too rough. and they were too nasty. i don't think it's going to matter, frankly. it's going to be me and i am a republican. and i'll do a good job. i'll do a great job on trade and on the economy, on jobs, bringing jobs back, and that's -- i'll do great in the military. >> what do you say about george will? he wrote a column this morning saying it's the conservatives duty to make sure you lose all 50 states. what do you say to george will? >> george is a major loser. he's a downward guy, nobody watches him, very few people listen for him. it's over for him and i never wanted his support. he's been writing these columns for -- a year, ever since i
announced, and i had a run-in with him when i was in civilian life. i didn't want to go to one of his speeches. he made a speech and i find him to be a very boring person. he's boring and dull. and i didn't go to the speech. you know, there was no reason, i never thought i would be in politics and never thought i would be running. this was ten years ago. testifi he was giving the speech and i said, i just don't want to go and he wanted me to go. it was one of those things, i had something else to do and didn't go. he never forgot it. and he's a nasty guy. it's a very nasty guy. but i have to tell you this, nobody -- he has no influence. if he had influence, i wouldn't be talking to you right now, joe. the guy writes a bad column every time he writes a column. i don't really know how often he writes them, i don't really know, but the other thing you mentioned, there are some others, look at krauthammer, all he does is bash me.
he wanted the war. he talks about, oh, well, trump is tough and he may have a fast trigger on nuclear. let me tell you, i have the slowest trigger there is. but i'll prepare our nuclear because we're not even prepared. but i'm the slowest trigger. >> actually, donald, the great irony is and we have seen this before, we actually are going to go into a general election where you have the democratic candidate that's going to support intervention in the policies more than the republican nominee. >> it seem that is way. >> well, folks, think of this, a guy like krauthammer, i watched him last night, he was saying trump could be quick temperam t temperamentally, he was pushing for the war in iraq and i didn't want to do it. as a civilian i was totally against it and it was one of the worst decisions in the history of our country, by the way, perhaps the worst. and they talk about me with temperament. we need a strong temperament right now. the world is laughing at us. we need a very strong temperament. >> so let's look ahead to the
general yesterday, andrea mitchell asked hillary clinton if she thought you were unqualified for commander in chief. this is what she said. >> he's given no indication that he understands the responsibilities that go with commander and chief. and that's a big part of my campaign. at some point he's going to be held to the standard we hold anybody running for president and commander in chief. what is it you know? what is it you've done? what is it you are proposing to do as president and commander in chief? so far we have not seen any of that. we have seen a lot of rhetoric, we have seen a lot of insults, he's an equal opportunity insulter, but when it comes down to making this really important decision, it's been my experience that people in our country say to themselves, wait a minute, what do i think is the best choice? the best choice for me, for my family, for my jobs, my income, my future? and i think that absent -- some
major change in how he is presenting himself and what he is saying, that's going to be a pretty high bar for him to get over. >> donald, she did not mince words. what is your response? >> it is just words. just another politician talking. look, bernie sanders said about hillary clinton, she's got poor judgment. he also said, by the way, she's unqualified, but i won't go there. but bernie sanders said that she's got poor judgment. and she does. you look at the e-mail scandals, she shouldn't even be allowed to run. you know that, joe knows that and everybody knows that. she's only being protected by the democrats. she should not be allowed to run in the election. she should not be -- she should suffer like other people have suffered who have done far less than she has. you look at so many -- i won't mention names anymore, but you look at so many people that have done far less than her on the same subject matter and it's been a horror show. and here she is running for
president like nothing happened. she shouldn't even be allowed to run, you know that. >> donald, it's willie, congratulations on your win last night. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you a couple questions about some issues you raised during this campaign. a lot of people think you've said some things to win votes in a republican primary that maybe you don't believe. and you could change as you go to a general. do you still believe that muslims should be banned from enter the country until we figure out what is going on as you've said? >> we have to be very vigilant and find out exactly what is going on. we have some major, major problems and nobody wants to talk about it. we have a president that won't mention the term "radical islamic terrorism." he won't mention it even though it's obvious terrible things are happening and we have to be extremely careful. and we have to be vigilant, yes, we have to find out what the hell is going on. >> so that proposal stands for the general election, assuming you make it that far, you'll raise that issue? >> i don't know if it hurts me or not, i don't know if it hurts me. i don't care if it hurts me.
i'm doing the right thing when i do this, whether it is muslim or something else, i mean, i have to do the right thing. and that is the way i've been guided. that's the way -- when joe said, it's a little bit surprising, i did see last night this is the first time in the history of our country where this has happened where really a civilian in the truest sense has got the nomination of a major party. and i've been guided by common sense, by what's right, and you see what's happening. and we have to be careful. i mean, we're allowing thousands of people to come into our country, thousands and thousands of people being placed all over the country that, frankly, nobody knows who they are. they don't have documentation in many cases. and in most cases. and we don't know what we're doing. so let's see what happens. this could be a very serious problem for the future. and if you look at what's happening all over europe with the migration and look at what's happening all over this country, they are going to destroy --
they are destroying europe. i'm not going to let that happen in the united states. >> so as we go to the general, the proposal for the muslim ban stands. do you still believe those who get abortions should be punished? >> he was asking me a question in theory. i talked about it from that standpoint, of course not. that was done -- he said, i guess theoretically, but he was asking me a rhetorical question and i gave an answer. and by the way, people are from an academic standpoint and asked rhetorically, people said, that answer was an unbelievable academic answer. but, of course not. and i said that afterwards. everybody understands that. >> so, donald, there are two family members around the set that are very happy this morning. my brother is extraordinary happy. >> who is a great guy, by the way. >> george brutalized me for nine
months. whenever i criticized you. and nicole had to stop going home for a while. >> last night -- i got a tweet last night when i asked about republicans for hillary, they start hate tweeting me. what about democrats for donald trump? when asking about democrats for donald trump, that is how, sir, you think you could remake the map. also, you said i love winning with women. and i think the media -- you don't need to win with all women but do need to narrow the gap among all women. and i wonder what issue is your entry point in beginning to turn around what are pretty dismal poll numbers with the kinds of women you do need to bring around. >> well, first of all, nicole, thank you. say hello to your parents and i appreciate them. >> you just made their day. >> we do have tremendous numbers of democrats. you've seen that in the open runs. we have tremendous numbers of
democrats that have voted for me. and, in fact, new york, which is closed, they were just saying some of the people who work at the polling booths that were interviewed by local television, they said in all the years we have been here, one word, for 25 years, what worked for 40 years at the booths, the most incredible thing i've ever seen was that people who came in, democrats, they kept saying, we want to vote for donald trump. we want to vote -- how do you do that? you were not allowed to do that, but hundreds and hundreds of people were coming in that were registered democrats that wanted to vote for donald trump. and they said they have never seen that and some of them have been working in the polling booths for 40 years. as far as women are concerned, they want to see strength in our military, they want to see strength for our border, they want to see our country protected. we have a military that's being decimated. we have a military that is totally ill-prepared and in many cases ill-equipped. when the general left recently six, seven months ago, he said
never has our military been so ill-prepared or something to that effect. and i know women want to see strength. they want to see a strong military. >> they want someone steady, though. i think women voters sometimes see you shoot from the hip in a way that makes them nervous. they want more steadiness. >> i don't shoot from the hip. >> no? >> i don't shoot from the hip. and i will say this, the reason race -- the recent victories i had in pennsylvania and new york and all over maryland, connecticut, all up and down, i mean, just one after another, i was so strong with women. i won women every single time by massive majorities. in fact, very close to the men. now, supposedly i did extremely well with men, much, much better than hillary, that's her weakness, but i'm doing really well with the men. i was doing just as well in the
last seven or eight states. i was doing just as well. in one case i think even better with women. so they want to see a secure country. i'm going to do it much better. i'm also going to bring jobs back. hillary doesn't know anything about jobs. her husband signed nafta. nafta is the single worst economic thing that's happened to this country in my opinion that i can think of and it just sucked the jobs and sucked the money right out of our country. >> donald trump, thank you very much. so you just heard trump talking about not wanting the endorsements of some of his own party. still to come, the feeling is mutual for a lot of republicans. where do party stall worts turn?
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42 past the hour, some republicans began shifting their focus to a trump-led general election yesterday. long-time gop strategist and ronald reagan's 1984 campaign manager, ed rollins, announced he will lead a pro-trump super pac. rollins met with the advisors said, i'm not ready to roll over and let hillary clinton be president. meanwhile, a former cruz supporter issued a statement last night, i will support donald trump to stop hillary clinton from becoming president of these united states. he now has the responsibility and certainly the ability to unite this grand old party and go on to victory. and senator john mccain told nbc he thinks trump is going to be the nominee. adding that he is ready to assist trump on foreign policy, quote, i would advise anyone who
asks. but there are those who are not satisfied with the choice of the republican electorate beginning with mccain's closest allies. senator lindsey graham tweeted, any doubt left trump is completely unhinged? his assertion ted cruz's father was associated with lee harvey oswald should remove all doubt. if we nominate trump, we will get destroyed and we will deserve it. and mark salter posted, the gop is going to nominate for president a guy who reads the national inquirer and thinks it's on the level. i'm with her. a reference to the pro-hillary slog slogan. and former republican governor charlie crist tweeted, trust me, it's never too late to join the democrats. let's bring in kasie hunt and mark ginsberg. >> ben, you had a fascinating
question to ted cruz, why wouldn't he let the conservative revolt against trump at the convention? and if not cruz, why wouldn't somebody step up? we have seen it before. >> yeah, i think it is interesting, there have been so many classic republican platform fights in past years. nominating me decided to ignore the platform yet we have had the fights. donald trump is taking some positions that are different from republican orthodoxy where a true conservative can step up at the convention and really make the case for conservative principles into the future. by suspending his campaign, ted cruz becomes a guest at the convention, at donald trump's convention, instead of being the one to lead the charge. >> kasie, we have started to see it in some of the statements that the -- the desire to defeat
hillary clinton may be so great that the never trump crowd just won't be able to gain traction moving forward. >> i think the question is how do the dominos fall? do people start to say, oh, yes, i was never trump until hillary said this terrible thing that i can't possibly stomach. but i do think that, and my question between now and cleveland and potentially beyond, it's possible that donald trump could put some of these rust bell states in play. the map could look different than we expect. but it could also be true the underlying negatives really hold up and they put people like john mccain, he's in a tough position because arizona obviously seems like a very nice, good place for trump, but he's probably running against a woman. is that going to make it a swing state, those ads like what we saw in that arkansas senate race, all of the things donald trump has said about women, john mccain also told me on the phone he's still not going to the convention. he'll support the nominee but won't show up. and if there is a schism between mitch mcconnell trying to hang on to the senate and the
convention, what they are doing on the presidential side, that's a fascinating story for the future of the party as a whole. >> but at the end of the day, mike barnacle, the party has too much to lose, the senate, the house, the governorships, could be having an inner party fight moving forward. i'm not saying everyone needs to be excited about trump, but if the party is fighting itself in september and october, you'll have people like kelly ayotte, rob portman, rob johnson, fighting for their lives in the senate. everybody needs to be united for republicans if you are in the party. >> there's no doubt this will be paramount nor the republican party survival in the short-term this fall. but getting back to the convention, do you think there would be a platform fight over specific issues given trump's stance on some, which is not the normal gop stance on some issues? >> the history of republican conventions is that the people who care about their issues go to the convention to be able to talk about those issues.
>> where are those people, though? >> well -- >> i'm saying, where were they in the primary fight? and -- because they used to determine republican nominees. >> yeah, but we've all talked about how jump is expanding the traditional republican electorate and primaries. >> yeah. >> so who those people are are the people who are traditionally becoming delegates. remember, three-quarters of the delegates are chosen without any input from the candidates. they are the local party officials. they are the grassroots activists. they are the people still going to the convention who have cared about the platform. >> i wonder if people like paul singer, for instance, maybe trump actually helps senate candidates like paul singer who might says i'm not giving a dime to donald trump but will double-down on kelly ayotte and double down on ryan johnson and double down on keeping the republican senate and the republican house. >> right. and whether those senate candidates need to run with the
top of the ticket or by themselves will determine in part whether it's a party at war with itself. and who actually manages to fund all those efforts is going to be pretty interesting to watch. will the republican national committee will able to raise ticket-wide money, which so far has not been terribly successful at? or will this become the individual senate and house races with their party committees funding the effort? >> yeah, i mean, the rnc is out of money, they are going to need for the senate side. and they are going to need people like that. and i think the people i've talked to on the never trump movement, who say i'm never working for him and people on twitter burning the republican registration cards, if they have a place, too it's saving the senate. they will go work and raise money for people trying to save the senate. >> i will say, the thing i learned in '94 when i had a democratic opponent that was supposed to whip me, but he spent his entire time running
against bill clinton, you run against the top of the ticket, you're dead. you just do. that's not a pro-trump thing. we have seen it time and time again. where you've had candidates trying to run away from the top of the ticket, it just never works and will be a mess. >> everybody stay. still ahead this morning -- >> over? did you say over? nothing is over until we decide it is! was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor? hell no! >> germans? >> forget it, he's rolling. >> it ain't over now. because when the going gets tough -- the tough get going! who is with me? let's go! come on! >> one of the great movies of our time. "caddyshack." >> i never saw it.
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a check on the markets with sarah eisen. >> job growth slow in the month of april. that's the latest from adp, which is a snapshot coming out two days before the big government report on friday. but what this report showed is only 156,000 jobs were created in the private sector. that's less by 2,000 that economists were looking for. small businesses did their part on hiring but the big businesses really pulled off, that could signal what is happening over the upcoming presidential elections. headwinds from europe and china showing slower growth. we'll show you other numbers on friday. and a business story today, adidas is looking to sell off the taylormade golf equipment business. they bought taylormade in the late '90s. but tailormade has seen slumping
sales and adidas needs to focus on sneakers and clothing. it's facing increasing competition when it comes to basketball and running. adidas slipped to third place in the united states behind under armour with nike as the market leader. we'll bring back stan smith and other sneakers from the '60s and '70s to win back customers. so far it's working. we'll see if they find a buyer for taylormade. >> sara eisen, thank you. hold on, everybody, we are going an extra hour. >> no way! >> yes. >> i'll stay if ben stays. >> i'm here. >> kasie, you in? >> let's do it. >> mike, do you need to go to the dealership, do you have an appointment? >> i have to go to the toyota dealership on the west side and check out cars. still ahead, perhaps no republican campaign was more organized than ted cruz. the former communications director to the campaign brick tyler will tell us in the end why it didn't work out.
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as there was a viable path to victory. tonight i'm sorry to say -- >> no! >> -- it appears that path has been foreclosed. together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. but the voters chose another path. and so with a heavy heart, but with boundless optimism for the long-term future of our nation, we are suspending our campaign. >> no! >> but hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. >> just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he les