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trump's party now. the take over is complete with his emphatic indiana triumph. >> i started, as you know, not very long ago, about six weeks ago, and i was told i had a 20 point deficit, and i went there and i worked very hard. we had a tremendous victory today. it was a tremendous victory. >> ted cruz drops out last night. trump seals the deal and now the battle for the general election is under way just like that. but also on at agenda this morning, is there a path? >> we're going after hillary clinton. she will not be a great president. she will not be a good president. she will be a poor president. she doesn't understand trade. >> the numbers say that trump is a big underdog against hillary clinton. the democrats say he is dead on arrival. what would it actually take for donald trump to win in november?
we'll fire up the big board for our first official general election preview. you're not going to want to miss that. that is just a minute from now and rounding out our agenda this morning, getting the party to unite. >> i've gotten a lot of calls from people that were far more brutal than ted was and they want to join the team. in fact, i said to them, how can you do that after what you said? they said don't worry about that. that is not a problem. they're politicians. >> the voters in the republican party choose donald trump but some of the parties long time leaders still insist he is not their guy. will they fall in line or will they hold out all the way until november? we're going to talk to the republican national committee's chief strategist shawn spicer. that is still ahead. we begin with our top story. the republican party becoming donald trump's party and all those dreams of a contested convention, they have now
evaporated last night with that dominating performance from donald trump in the hoosier state, nearly all the vote now counted in indiana. look at this. donald trump picking up 53% of the vote. he crushed ted cruz, a 16 point margin there and cruz reading the writing on the wall last night. >> from the beginning, i've said that i would continue on as along as there was a viable path to victory. tonight, i'm sorry to say it appears that path has been foreclosed. together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got. >> and even as the voting was under way yesterday, donald trump was pulling no punches with ted cruz, even hitting below the belt trying to tie his
father, ted cruz's father to the kennedy assassination. as soon as the results came in, as soon as ted cruz made the announcement, trump not nearly as critical of cruz and trying to look ahead to states he thinks will be in play for the general election. general election only 1 l 8 days a was -- 188 days away now. >> just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or if he doesn't like me, but he is one hell of a competitor. one tough, smart guy. we won't beat hillary clinton and i watched her three or four weeks ago when she was talking about the miners as if they were just numbers and she was talking about she wants the mines closed and she will never let them work again. let me tell you, the miners in west virginia and pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, ohio, and all over, they're going to start to work again. believe me. you're going to be proud again to be miners.
>> and with us this morning, nbc jacob ras cone in front of trump tower and hally. with us with what were the final hours of the cruz campaign. we'll start with jacob rascone. we talk about will donald trump try to project a different tone in the general election. last night, at least, we really did see that that was a subdued donald trump and just hours after tying ted cruz to all things, the kennedy assassination. he goes before the cameras and says positive things about ted cruz is that a sign of things to come from donald trump? >> yeah, you can call it if you want, the art of the deal campaign where if he believed he is in competition with somebody, he goes after them and he goes after them as hard as he can but as soon as it looks like he has won, he turns it around, he congratulated ted cruz twice last night.
i can tell you that i was inside trump tower last night. team trump is so excited. i talked to donald trump junior, he seemed almost shocked and overwhelmed that looking back ten months to think that after walking down and announcing his presidency to such horrible ratings that he would be here, essentially, the nominee of the party according to the party, and his message to me and other reporters here, essentially was finally, the people have a candidate. he is a real citizen who is over come incredible odds and now he is the nominee and we'll look ahead to the general but he has incredible challenges, of course, in front of him. on two fronts he has these fights. he will fight to beat hillary clinton. he has incredible, unfavorability numbers within his own party of course with women and then he has to fight for the soul of the republican party as he has many people online, on social media burning the republican registration cards and stuff.
incredible to think what the next six months will look like, steve. >> jacob rascone, you're right, it is a big challenge for donald trump going into the election. we'll look at the big board at what the path will look like if he is actually going to get elected president. let's turn to halle jackson in indianapolis. we knew going into yesterday, the numbers were not looking good for ted cruz. we didn't know he would show up last night and drop out of the race on the spot. tell us about what played out last night in cruz world and of course, the question everybody is looking to right now. will he ultimately back donald trump? >> right. right. that is the big one, steve, let's go back over the last 24 hours here, cruz i think in eva evansville illinois, there was a sense on the ground of a campaign that was seriously considering the final moments, especially when you looked at when the numbers started to come in, when the returns started rolling in, what i had been hearing in conversations with aides was if it was a devastating loss, that cruz was
clearly consider getting out of the race and what we saw from indiana was just that, really, a big blow an insurmountable defeat for ted cruz. he had no reason to stay in the race given the argument all along he could beat donald trump in a head to head match up. he could not get it done. it was an emotional night. we saw, for example, about an hour after he gave his concession speech, cruz, in a side room at the hotel ball room, gathered with his top staff, many of whom had traveled up from houston to be with the senator, the senator in houston today now with his family and the question now, what will his role be moving forward in helping to bring together the republican party? an aide telling me after the defeat that cruz is still the de facto he believes leader of the republican conservative grass roots movement. what is cruz's role moving forward and will he endorse donald trump as the nominee. that is a question he has not answered including with me.
listen to that interaction. >> senator, these are some of the strongest words you've used against donald trump. you know i've been with you. i've heard you talk about him. today feels different for you. i'll ask you a question. i'll sound like a broken record and you'll say -- >> you sound like a broken record. somebody else have a question. you've asked one already. >> will you support him as a the nominee. i don't know why you won't answer the question. if you say he is a path logical liar appeared you can't -- >> you've asked one already. >> will he support trump as a nominee? it is a question that dogged cruz through the final weeks of his campaign it frustrated him and frustrates his campaign. we'll see if he answers it in the coming weeks. >> he will eventually have to provide an answer. interesting to watch the interaction between you and ted cruz. halle jackson, thank you for the report in indianapolis. the general election candidates looks like it is going to be
donald trump and hillary clinton, and that brings us to our most important number of the day, here it is, 70. you know -- 270. you know what we're talking about. the number of electoral votes you'll need this november to be elected president of the united states. you can get ready to be talking a lot about this over the next six months. today, we're looking at the question how could donald trump get to that number. could he get to that number, 270, so this is where we start out, the most recent poll, from two weeks ago, we asked the question, who would you vote for in the fall. donald trump begins the general election as the underdog, as the clear underdog against hillary clinton, so that is a problem for them. the other problem is democrat graphics. this -- demographics. this goes back to 2012 on how barack obama got elected over mitt romney. you notice a couple of things. among white voters, mitt romney beat barack obama by 20 points.
republicans were looking at this race in the fall of 2012 and saying if mitt romney could do that, he would be elected president. what happened? barack obama ran up a big margin, especially with latino votes. he ran up big margins and the share of the vote, the percentage of the overall elect rate that was latino, black, nonwhite, was higher than every in 2012. it was near 30% so a combination of barack obama getting so much support from these groups and these groups accounting for a larger share of the electorate before, that was enough to get president obama elected and that is why republicans looked at this and said what do we got to do? we want to do immigration reform. we have to bring the support for democrats, we want to bring that down. that is the path. that won't be donald trump's path. what would donald trump's path look like? let's take a look at electoral
map. the plan for republicans after 2012. they said they would appeal to latino voters, looking at states like virginia, colorado, nevada, growing latino populations. not going to be the trump strategy. it will look something like this. take 06, 206 is what romney had. he would have to hold the states romney had. that is a big if, if he could do. that let's say he does. he starts with 206, we have to get him to 270. he will look in the rust belt. it has states that have blue-collar, a lot of them without college degrees. the idea for trump will be to drive up support with those voters. if he can do that, you put a state like pennsylvania in play, 20 electoral votes. if you do, that you're up to 226. go next door to ohio, 18. if you do that, you're up to 244. where else can he look? michigan. 16 interest. if he gets that, we're close.
260. 260, you have options, look at wisconsin. 10 electoral votes there, win that, that would get you to 270 or you can also take a look, iowa, iowa has six, that is a state he should look at. new england, new hampshire, he won the new hampshire primary there, but the path ray for trump pathway for trump, hold the romney states, huge challenge and make inroads in the rust belt with blue color, white voters. that is not the white path. republicans thought they would take that to the presidency but if donald trump will get there, that is the paths he is going to have to take. so, we'll be talking a lot about that in the coming months, that the first preview of the general election on the big board and trump in victory lap mode after that win and again this morning. he was on msnbc's morning joe for a wide ranging interview beginning with whether he would seek the endorsement of ted cruz, also, how he feels about hillary clinton in the general election.
take a listen. >> do you care if ted cruz endorses you? >> well, i think it would be nice. i've been saying for a long time that there are some peecople i don't want the endorsement. i really don't. it was too rough and they're too nasty and i don't think it will matter, frankly. bernie sanders said about hillary clinton she has poor judgment. he also said, by the way, she is unqualified but i won't go there, but bernie sanders says she's got poor judgment and she does. you look at e-mail scandal. she shouldn't be allowed to run. you know, that joe knows that, and everybody knows that. she is only being protected by the democrats. she should not be allowed to run in the election. she should not be, she should suffer like other people have suffered who have done far less than she has. you look at so many, i won't even mention names anymore but you look at so many people that have done far less than her in the same subject matter and it has been a horror show and here
she is running for president like nothing happened. she shouldn't be allowed to run. you know that. >> hey, donald, it is willie, congratulations on your win again last night. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you questions about issues you've raised during this kman. a lot of people think you've said things you don't believe and could change as you go to a general. do you believe muslims should be banned from entering the country until we can figure out what is going on as you said? >> we have to be vigilant, find out what is going october we have major, major problems and nobody wants to talk about it. we have a president that won't mention the term radical islamic terrorism. he won't mention it even though it is obvious that terrible things are happening and we have to be extremely careful and we have to be vigilant. yes, we have to find out what the hell is going on. >> that proposal stands for the general election assuming you make it that far, you'll raise that as another issue? >> i don't know if it hurts me or not. i don't know if it hurts me.
i don't care if it hurts me. i'm doing the right thing when i do this whether it is muslim or something else. i have to do the right thing. >> as we go to the general, the proposal for the muslim ban stands. what about what you told chris matthews such as women who have abortions should be punished. >> he was asking me a question in theory and i talked about it only from that standpoint. of course not and that was done, he said i guess it was theoretically and i gave an answer. by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint and asked rhetorically. people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer but of course not and i said that afterwards. >> you've been proud about being self funded throughout this nomination fight. you have republicans like ed rollins and others forming pro trump super packs. as you head into the general election, will you welcome the
support of super packs as you get ready to run against hillary clinton? >> first of all, ed rollins and others have been so tremendous. we talk about the negatives, the crowd hammers who are people who have problems and have real problems, and nobody reeds or listens to but i'll tell you what, i've had such incredible support and i'll be making a decision over the next week, the question is, i do love self funding and i don't want anything for myself but we need money for the party. the party will come together. i don't think it is imperativive th -- imperative that the entire party come together. i don't want some people that were extraordinary nasty, let them wait eight years or 16 years or whatever because i think we'll have a a great success against probably hillary because the system is rigged against bernie. i mean, totally rigged against him. probably we'll have hillary.
and i will make a decision fairly soon as to that. i mean, do i want to sell a couple of buildings and self fund? i don't know that i want to do that necessarily, but i won't be asking for money for myself. i'll be asking for money for the party. >> we confirmed last night at nbc news that your campaign has started to vet vice presidential candidates. who are some of the names you're looking at? >> it is too soon. i think a lot of people are talking about certain names and certainly those are not the names we're thinking of. >> can you give us one or two? >> i think i'll say that i probably will go the political route. i have the business, let's call them talents and i think i'll probably go the political route, somebody that can help me with legislation and somebody that can help me get things passed and somebody that has been friends with the senators and the congressman and all, so we don't have to go, so we don't have to go the executive order route as much as obama did where he can't get anything approved so he just keeps signing
executive orders. more than likely i would go the political route. >> let's bring in the washington post robert costa. the future of the trump campaign. let me ask you this. the question of the unity, trump gets indiana. do you expect we'll see in the next couple of days some big name republican endorsements for trump? anybody to look for in particular there? >> i think what we have to look for is not nearly republican endorsements but republican acceptance. i was talking to top party officials in the last hour and they say, they may not get behind trump or have a press conference where they come out for the billionaire but they recognize he is going to be the nominee for the party and they're ready to accept it. >> how many do you think, we hear so much noise from the never trump forces, how many do you think will actually hold out all the way to november? >> i think you will see some i did logical conservatives. those who work for the publications to hold out. in terms of organization and
logistics if you will do any effort against trump, the clock is ticking, getting on the ballot is difficult. what you're looking at is protest campaign, a write in campaign. any kind of organized third party effort, it looks really, it doesn't look like it will happen right now. >> short of a third party bid, there would be the question of conservative leaders encouraging the voters to stay home, some, you know, you had mark soldier, john mccain's former aide saying he would vote for hillary. how many would vote for hillary clinton, do you see anything along those lines? >> you'll see the clinton campaign reach out to the foreign policy establishment and the republican party recognizing that clinton and her hawkish instincts more align with the republican party establishment on some fronts than donald trump's protectionist views on trade and his nonintervention use on foreign policy but most conservative when you talk to them, they don't want a supreme
court justice or many supreme court justices in the future picked by a president clinton and that is why they're likely not to go overtly against trump. >> the last time there was this take over of the republican party was barry goldwater, 1964. he had a hard time finding a running meaate. he had to settle on a congressman nobody heard of from upstate new york. will he have a hard time. >> the pick for barry goldwater. willy miller, a graduate from notre dame. the thing was his conservativism. with trump, he is controversial but not an idealogical figure. it will be easy for him to pick a chris christie. that is what the party establishment will warm him. >> i know you're a notre dame man. you got the plug in for the alma mater. i appreciate. that thanks for your time. coming up, why couldn't ted cruz
click with republican voters at least enough of him and was his speech last night an exit from the 2016 or was it more of an entrance into the 2020 race? >> ronald reagan spoke of the purpose that defined our party then and that must unite and drive our party now. >> cruz invoking ronald reagan's name more than once. is he waiting for a reagan style come back. what reagan pulled off just four years from now. stay with us.
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his promise to continue his fights for liberty. he also took a page from the past from 40 years ago, 1976, where ronald reagan ended his bid at the republican convention in kansas city. cruz, like reagan before him, is clearly already setting his sights on the next election. both of the candidates dropped out on the assumption that the party's nominee a, trump this year, gerald ford back in 1976, that the nominee would lose in november and there therefore open up the nomination four years later. they say it was his first speech of the 2020 campaign and he sounded very much like reagan when he conceded. listen to this. >> for one thing remains is true today as it was 40 years ago in kansas city, in this fight, for the long-term future of america, there is no substitute for victory. >> we must go forth from here
united, determined that what a general said a few years ago is true. there is no substitute for victory. >> all right. what went wrong for ted cruz last night? casey hunt will join me here at the big board. somebody is writing on the board behind us. they'll clear that for us. let's take a look -- >> there we go. >> this isn't even the one we wanted to start on. welcome to the big board. this is why so many people avoid it. let's start in indiana and what happened in indiana because we looked two weeks ago and said this is going to be a ted cruz state. tell us briefly what went wrong in indiana. >> if we had the detailed map of indiana, we have a small version right here. >> and you can write on this small version. >> ted cruz won northeast indiana, right? right up there and that is because it is the center of social conservative evangelicals. what ted cruz did in indiana is what he had done across the country, unify the --
evangelical vote. that has been a back bone for the republican party for a long time. they have a ton of organizing experience. i went to ted cruz's camp cruz in iowa. all of the people he was bringing in to organize for him, a lot of them came out of churches, his father, rafael played that in indiana and he spent quite a bit of time in indiana. but of course, at the end of the day it wasn't enough. what went wrong is he couldn't marry that to another con stit wenty in the republican party whether it was a tea party. populous voters that went with donald trump or more establishment voters that went with john kasich. >> somebody, you know, this is a weird thing that happens in tv. somebody has access to the board and is writing on the screen as we try to do this. we can no longer write on the board. i'm sorry about this, casey. here is the thing. he won iowa with the kind of
voters with the religious conservatives. in theory, the way we understood how the process works, he was supposed to go to south carolina and sweep the south because we looked at that and said eva in fgelica -- evangelical christians, it is 77% of the c electorate. >> they have a deep country club background and anybody that covered the early stages of the campaign, they know they're different from south carolina in that way, you're not guaranteed to be within a chance of winning, in iowa, you get the maximum penal evangelical vote. trump won across the south. this is really the heart land of the republican party. there are critics that say the gop is original party. it only exists in the south. the reality of that is that the republican parties themselves
have been built up or organized in such a way that they're broader, so the role of the social conservative activists compared to the rest of the republican party is relatively smaller and that hurt ted cruz. >> i wish we could have illustrated. that i was scared, sometimes funny pictures get drawn on there. casey hunt, thanks for being a good sport. i appreciate that. we'll do it right next time. coming up next, bernie sanders turning up the heat on hillary clinton, fresh off that big indiana win last night. >> i understand that secretary clinton thinks that this campaign is over. i've got some bad news for her. >> sanders is adamant he is not getting out of the race. will clinton change course to fight off his momentum. is it still -- it is still improbable he'll have a shot at the nomination. we'll take you through the numbers. stay with us.
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bernie sanders is vowing to stay in the race until the democratic convention in july. this, after beating hillary clinton last night in indiana. it is not stopping clinton from trying to pivot to the general election. nbc kristin welker is live at the clinton campaign brooklyn headquarters in new york. i was just looking through the states to come up on the democratic side. i was going to do this on the board but the board is apparently broken and acting up on us. i'll ask you what i was going to point out. west virginia, kentucky, oregon, montana, new mexico, north dakota, south dakota, these are states to vote on the democratic side. these look like sanders states. i know the math doesn't work for him but for hillary clinton, are they ready to potentially lose six, seven states here the rest of the way? >> well, they were bracing for that, steven. you're absolutely right. i mean it is possible that he could win most or all of those states. the optics would be terrible for secretary clinton but she hasn't
really been spending in those states. the big prize is of course, california and i've been talking to officials here at the clinton campaign headquarters and i said to them, look, you didn't spend in indiana. do you need to start spending in these up coming states to try to pick off a few and then win california to really put this race away? what i'm being told is they're not ruling that out. and of course, we'll be focused on what they do in california and if and when they start to spend there. of course, that is a very expensive state but it carries the most delegates, the to the democrats are insistent she has to compete in the states, particularly in california so she can head into the convention on a strong footing. as you point out, though, steve, she is also fighting a general election as well. she is pivoting to taking on donald trump. both on the trail and she has been building up a robust ground game in battle ground states an she laid out her strategy to andrea mitchell yesterday. listen to what she sglays.
>> he hasn't shown he understands the responsibilities that go with commander-in-chief. at some point he is going to have to be held to the standard we hold anybody running for president and commander-in-chief. what is it you know, what is it you've done, what is it you are proposing to do as president and commander-in-chief. so far we haven't seen any of that. >> and steve, we learned last night that the clinton campaign added state directors to two more key general election battle ground states, virginia, and nevada, so that makes five states in total where they now have state directors and you can expect that to just ramp up in the coming days and in the coming weeks. the real challenge for the clinton campaign right now is how to allocate the resources as she fights this battle on two fronts. steve? >> all right, kristin welker in brooklyn. thanks for that. still ahead, much more on donald trump's rise from reality tv star to republican nominee with
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has to say. we'll bring that to you when he reaches those microphones. donald trump, meanwhile, the likely republican nominee for president. that might be putting it mildly after his knock out blow against ted cruz in the indiana primary last night. the idea was unlikely to most less than a year ago when the billionaire real estate tycoon made his announcement after famously descending the escalator in the lobby of trump tower here in new york. on the same day, this was last june, on the same day that donald trump announced his presidential campaign, our nbc wall street journal survey found him polling at just one % among republicans. the frontrunner on that day, jeb bush, he was in front with 22%. donald trump started at 1% and that same poll found that 66% of republicans, that is two out of three of them, they said they couldn't even see themselves potentially supporting donald trump for president. only 32% could, and it was against that back drop, the miserable poll numbers with republican voters that donald j
trump began what proved to be an improbable but effective rise to the republican nomination. >> when mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists. >> i will build a great, great wall. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. >> i want surveillance of certain mosques. okay? >> knock the crap out of him, would you? >> i will pay for the legal fees, i promise. >> jeb bush, we call him low energy. >> he is a low energy stiff. little, little marco. lying ted. lying, lying, lying ted. crooked hillary. how are you? this is crooked hillary clinton. >> that is the trump style. donald trump winning primaries through all of the criticism that he evoked and he is likely to be the republican nominee here to talk about all of it.
rnc communications director sean spicer. thanks for taking a few minutes. we had the camera on the airport there down in washington. john kasich, we haven't heard from him yet. we don't know what he will say. from your standpoint at rnc, donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee. is that right? >> i think you said it earlier before. he will likely be. i mean, he doesn't have the 1,237. the math will get him here. we want to make sure we started focusing on the general election, uniting the party so we can focus on hillary clinton and put a republican back in the white house. >> on the question of uniting the republican party, donald trump on morning joe this morning, he thinks he can unite most of them. he says he doesn't need them. is that right? can he unite most but not all of the party? >> in every election whether it is republican or democrat, you have a segment of either party, republican or democrat, that
won't come back. i think our goal is to make sure we get the, maximize the republican vote. the math is simple. we haven't won the last two, the only way we win is by growing the vote, not decreasing it. we don't have that kind of cushion to lose from, so we need to pick up from somewhere. i think mr. trump has an appeal to independents and soft democrats. so i think that we need to maximize the republican vote. we need as many of those folks to understand that no matter how passionate you felt about which one of the 17 candidates you supported, maybe he wasn't even your second choice. you had someone else in the race. we have to be unified now and remember the big prize here, keeping hillary clinton out of the white house is crucial because it is not just about one election. it is about a generation of appointments she will make and the courts and we have to stop her now. >> tell me what the process is like then from your standpoint, the republican national committee, donald trump as the likely nominee. does something happen with
communication between his campaign coordination, between his campaign and the rnc? will you be working more closely? what will happen behind the scenes? >> well, steve, i mean, you've heard us for months talking about how we have been coordinating with all three of the campaigns. talking to them regularly about you know, decisions we've made and up coming events we've had. as we focus on the general election, chairman reince priebus has made sure we have people in communities we haven't been in in the past and our ground game has been there the last two years and is better than it has ever been before. as that, those discussions, with the trump campaign, i think will now intensify and become more regular as we head into cleveland. >> when you heard the comments yesterday from ted cruz, he said basically i'm going to tell you today what i really think of donald trump, and he spared, he minced no words there. he is calling him a fraud and all sorts of terrible things.
do you see in ted cruz somebody who really could unite behind donald trump as a republican nominee? >> well, i would hope so. you know, everything is very tense in the heat of a primary. people are obviously committed to winning, as you've heard me and chairman preebiebus. we would hope they focus on the democrats and why they're a better candidate within our primary process. we understand it is politics it is a contact sport to some degree. but it is what it is. i think the cruz campaign knew indiana was crucial and had to say whatever it could, but once we've gotten to the point now and senator cruz did an honorable thing last night. now, he understands what is at stake and hopefully he will come over, but again it will take time. i understand, tension, there is raw feelings out there. >> how would you define what we've seen from the primaries, republican voters uniting around donald trump, rallying around him. donald trump's republican party,
what does it stand for? >> i think we have a platform that we passed four years ago which is what we're committed to. we'll have another platform as we head into cleveland. i think what makes donald trump different than more traditional tapped into the frustration and anger that a lot of people have at washington and their government. the anyone ability of government to deliver basic services that i think most people would expect it to. people who, frankly, don't feel that their voices are being heard. he has tapped into that and is communicating that in a way that maybe traditional candidates haven't. so it's not necessarily the positions, but i think he understands the frustration better than most people have. frankly, if you look at the results of what he's done over the primary season, it seems to be working. >> sean spicer with the rnc, thanks for the time, appreciate it. >> thanks, steve. meanwhile you see on the lower right-hand screen, we'll blow that up for you, this is the scene at dulles airport in washington, waiting for john
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all right. good evening the scene at dulles airport in washington right now, we're waiting on john kasich, you see it right there. his plane just landed. we haven't heard from kasich since those results in indiana last night, the results that drove ted cruz out of the race, that led the republican national committee to say it looks like donald trump is going to be our nominee, the result that has just about everyone in america now already talking about trump versus hillary clinton. but john kasich has not said anything about ending his campaign. he remains an active candidate at this moment. if you look at the delegate count, he's actually running, kasich is, in fourth place. marco rubio who suspended his campaign a long time ago, rubio
continues to run ahead of kasich in that delegate count but kasich has remained in this case. luke russert is on the scene. luke, set the stage for us. what are you seeing down there? any word on what kasich might say? >> reporter: well, kasich is going about this, steve, as business as usual. he's in the dmv area for a series of fund-raisers. he's also going to meet with his national security council group of advisers that give him counsel on foreign policy issues. what is quite fascinating is that he has not necessarily directly answered the question what is your viable pathway forward? because without ted cruz, if it's a kasich and donald trump, two-man show at the convention, not only would kasich be so far behind in the total popular vote but also the delegate count. he's right up there near rubio with the delegate count, if anything. so those are the real series of questions that he faces. the other interesting thing,
though, is what we've heard from his campaign so far today is really through twitter. his campaign manager, john weaver, saying, look, reince, you've done a fine job but reminding people john kasich does bead hillary clinton in national polls. his team released a "star wars" video at that takes all the great job williams music, does the startup with the yellow letters and space in the background that basically projects what a hillary clinton presidency would look like and how john kasich is the only one that can stop her in this galaxy. whether or not that works, who knows. but kasich apparently will come here to this airport hangar and give the rationale why he's going to stay in this race. steve acti steve, you are the delegate man. you know the math. how you go to cleveland and say i have millions less than donald trump, i have hundreds of less delegates than donald trump.
how do the rules committee subject the popular will of the people and replace it with something else. it's tough sledding for john kasich, but we'll see. >> it was a tough enough argument for ted cruz when he was sitting there with 500 something delegates. there's kasich still behind, we keep showing that graphic, still behind marco rubio. only one state, ohio, his home state, that's the only win he's put on the board. luke russert down there at dulles airport, thanks for the update. we'll check in with you throughout the morning, throughout the day, waiting to hear from john kasich any minute now. more news, more politics at the top of the hour. trump's spokesperson katrina pierson will talk about tamron hall. plus we'll bring you president obama's live remarks from flint, michigan, on the water crisis there and maybe more later in the day. i'm steve kornacki. tamron hall is up next. you know when i first started out,
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