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the transition teams of eligible candidates, it is established that there is a white house transition coordinating council. there's lots of details who is on this transition coordinating council and when they meet and consult with. and then at the very end it's basically like you know, so ordered. it's signed, barack obama, the white house, may 6, 2016. because it's six months out from there being a new president elected. this thing is on. the de facto presidential nominee donald trump announced his son-in-law will be the person who runs his transition planning team. young man married to his daughter, sounds legit. today former presidential candidate and south carolina senator lindsey graham said he will not vote for mr. trump, neither will former presidential candidate and former florida governor jeb bush. which now means if you are counting, that mr. trump will
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apparently have the support of zero bushes in his run for the presidency. even though dick cheney and bob dole both said they will support mr. trump in the fall. mr. trump will have no bushes, not either of the two past republican presidents. super pac supporting hillary clinton made a $91 million ad buy to run ads in seven states. starting next month running through election day, $91 million for hillary clinton and against donald trump. they are apparently going to focus on florida and ohio, start in june, they say they will dial back over the summer, then ramp up through election day. $91 million. priorities usa made this huge $91 million buy, even though they only have half that money on hand right now. that is how confident they are that the money they need is going to roll in. it shows how confident they are that hillary clinton is
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basically already the democratic party's de facto nominee. but the democratic primary is not over. if hillary clinton has started running a general election campaign against donald trump, what about the other democrat still in the democratic primary? now that republicans have their nominee, and it's donald trump, is bernie sanders also turning his campaign to the general election? should we expect bernie sanders to start running against donald trump now too? well, like chris said, we're in burlington, vermont, let's ask him. >> senator, thank you for doing this. it's nice to be here at your gorgeous home in burlington. i would have gone to guam to meet with you there. guam caucuses. guam tomorrow, a bunch of states that look good for you, west virginia, kentucky, oregon. >> we think we have a shot in west virginia, and oregon and frarngly rachel, i think we you
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know who can predict. i think we have a shot to win the majority of the primaries and caucuses remaining. new jersey is a hard one for us. i think we have a good chance to win california and that's something i very much want to do. we have a good organization there. we have a lot of support and we're going to fight as hard as we can to win the largest state in this country. >> we heard today about the super pac that supports secretary clinton. they made a $91 million ad buy. but it's general election stuff, it's anti-trump and pro clinton stuff. they are not advertising in the rest of the democratic states. >> we'll see what they do in california. that's what they say. we'll see what the reality is. we're going to spend a modest amount in kentucky and virginia. our main focus will be on the ground and we would like to win a majority of the remaining states. by the way, if we do that it is possible that we can end up
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having won half of the states in this country. some 25 states. >> is it within reach for you to get a majority of pledge delegates? >> it is a steep climb. i will not be dishonest. we'll have to win about 65% of the remaining votes. is it possible, yeah, it is a very hard fight. but we're going to wage that. when i began this campaign a year ago we were at 3%. we have come a long way and we're going to fight for every last vote, and we're going to try to win the pledged delegate majority. >> if the -- i know you talked about this a lot i feel like i've got two different answers in mind and i'm not sure what your plan is now. if you don't have a pledged delegate majority on june 14, is that a time you would potentially wrap up your campaign, make a decision with regard to secretary clinton or would you not assess on that day and go to the convention. >> we're going to the convention. >> even without a majority. >> absolutely. look. if we do not win the majority of
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pledged delegates f we do not win the delegation we'll go into the convention with who know, 45, 48, 49% of the pledged delegates, those are the real delegates that people voted for. and if that happens we're going to wage a very vigorous fight, at the convention, for a progressive agenda which says that the united states should join every other major country in guaranteeing health care to all people, paid family and medical leave to working families, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, being really vigorous in combatting climate change, including attacks on carbon, making public colleges and universities tuition-free. that's the agenda millions have supported and if we end up with 48, 49% of the pledge votes, i think we can win those fights on the floor of the convention. >> in terms getting that in the democratic party platform. i don't know what's in the democratic party platform now. and the reason i don't feel
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guilty about that is because i feel like the platform of the party is something that doesn't have a shelf life much beyond the convention. >> the abs is yes and no. that's certainly true. no one thinks that the -- a democratic president is going to abide by every word in the democratic platform. that's for sure. on the other hand it does say something, it does reflect what the base of the democratic party believes should be the future of this country. and i intend to do everything i can to make that the most progressive document that we possibly can. and i think by the way, that is the document that the democratic grass roots people really want to see. >> you wrote a letter to the dnc chair today, basically saying that you feel like you are being underrepresented in some key committees. >> that's not what i feel, that is the fact. i think she selected three of our delegates and i believe the
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total number is 60 there. what we want is a fair representation at the convention. we want our people to be in a position to help shape the document of the democratic -- the platform in the democratic party. when we have three delegates and clinton and the democratic establishment have far, far more than that, that is simply unfair and we don't accept that. >> you are sort of -- the or else that went with this argument in your letter to the dnc chair basically said that if you aren't treated fairly you will demand extensive and as many as necessary floor votes and a floor fight. >> we'll use the rules of the democratic convention to make certain that there is a vigorous debate on the important issues facing the american people. all we are asking for here is fairness. not to have the deck stacked against us. so far the deck is outrageously stacked against us. again if i end up with 45 or 50%
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of the pledge delegates we want 45 or 50% of people our people to be on the key committees. i don't think that's an unreasonable request. >> the kind of fight that you're talking about, though, in that circumstance, is over who gets the nomination or is over who gets the platform? >> if we don't have the votes to get the nomination we're not going to get the nomination. that becomes then the platform fight. that becomes the platform fight. when senator sanders campaign sent a letter to the democratic party threatening a floor fight at the convention, that set a lot of hair on fire. the senator tells me today that the floor fight he is promising will be over the platform, not over who gets the democratic presidential nomination. but, there is a but. that's next. and a lot more. >> let me say this in terms of the nomination.
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45 or 50% of the pledge delegates we want 45 or 50% of people our people to be on the key committees. i don't think that's an unreasonable request. >> the kind of fight you're talking about, though, in that circumstance, is over who gets the nomination or is over who gets the platform? >> well, if we don't have the votes to get the nomination we're not going to get the nomination. that becomes then the platform fight. but let me say this in terms of the nomination. we're going to try to get a majority of pledged delegates, and that's going to be a hard fight but we're going to try to do that in the next nine contests. but we're also going to appeal to superdelegates. what's not widely known is well over 400 of the superdelegates who are supporting clinton today came on board her campaign before i was even in the rarks before the first vote was cast. and the point i make to those superdelegates is look, look at the polling, national polling and state by state.
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bernie sanders versus trump. hillary clinton versus trump. in virtually every instance bernie sanders does better against trump than hillary clinton. the reason for that is that we are reaching out and winning a lot of independent votes not just democrats. you're going to need independents to win the general election. i believe that i am the strongest candidate against trump and we're going to make that point to the superdelegates zbrxt a couple points on that. you have articulated you think that in the democratic nominating contest that there shouldn't be closed primaries, that independents should be able to vote in them. you talked about that very strongly around the new york issue. do you also think in terms of reforming the process, should the democratic party get rid of superdelegates? >> i don't know that you get rid of superdelegates. i think there is a role for established people to play. but as i mentioned it is absurd that you have 400 establishment democrats on board hillary clinton's campaign before anybody else was in the race.
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that stacks the deck in a very, very unfair way for any establishment candidate and against the wishes of the people. >> you don't want to go away, you think they should hold their fire. >> that's one thing. we're going to think it through. there should be a role but not the kind that exists now. today they have much too much power and makes it very difficult for an insurgent campaign of the people to take on the establishment the way it is constructed right now. >> seems to me the other sort of small d democratic problem in the way the -- the way the democrats and republicans pick their nominees, are the caucuses. and i know caucuses have a strong history and they have their adherence, but they are pretty anti-democratic, they are complicated, for insiders, they are -- take a lot of time, they exclude a lot of people. that said you've done very well at caucuses. >> the answer is yes and no. everything you said is true but there is another side to that.
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i happen to believe that we have to really reinvigorate american democracy, not only getting much larger voter turnouts than we have in the past. last general election as you remember, midterm election, 63% of the people didn't vote. this is unacceptable. so we need to figure out ways to bring people in to the process. we also have to figure out a way to engage people in a very deep sense in american democracy. and what caucuses do, you're right it does take time to come to a caucus, and to argue with your neighbor about which candidate is the better candidate. but you know what, i kind of like that. you know, i understand there are negatives to it but i do like the idea of the american people becoming more engaged in the political process. yeah, you spend a few hours on a saturday afternoon. but this is -- you are helping to determine the future of america. so -- >> has its up side. >> i don't think we should dismiss the caucuses. caucus states, you're safe.
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senator bernie sanders says he thinks he could win 25 of the 50 states even if he doesn't win the democratic nomination even if he does try to take that campaign and turn it into the a reform machine for the democratic party, he says caucuses are safe, and so are superdelegates. me it turns out, not so much. that's next. when you find something you love, you can never get enough of it. change the way you experience tv with xfinity x1. (man) hmm. ♪hat do you think? (stranger) good mornin'! ♪
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thank you! thank you! what a week! we sat down, we kicked back, and we watched tv! [ cheering ] this win is just the beginning! it doesn't end here. because your laundry can wait! keep those sweatpants on! order another pizza! and watch on! [ cheering ] don't wait a whole year for xfinity watchathon week to return. upgrade now to add the premium channel of your choice so you can keep watching. call or go online today. >> i was struck on the night of. your indiana win, you said that
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delegates are going to conclude that you're the candidate who can best defeat trump, who we now know will be the republican nominee, because your campaign is generating the enthusiasm, the excitement, and the voter turnout needed to beat him. even though you won indiana, voter turnout there was down 50% from 2008. >> you're right. >> it's been down in state after state -- >> not in state after state. remember, often we're being compared to obama's historical campaign of 2008 -- >> that's the comparison i made. >> voter turnout was off the charts. yet as i recall five or six states where the voter turnout in this election was actually higher than obama's. but you're right in pennsylvania it was a disaster. in indiana it was very low. i think that has a lot to do with the fact that a number of independents ended up going into the republican camp which scares me very much. and i think i would repeat that as the general -- in the general election, we have a shot to win those independents back. >> there is an argument going on within democratic circles, i've been making this case basically
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publicly that the democrats voter turnout compared to 2008 is something that democrats should probably worry about. i've heard from other people inside the democratic establishment that, doesn't matter, the fact that republicans are turning out in record numbers in the primaries and democrats aren't has no bearing on the general election. i feel like it's a sign of worry that neither you nor secretary clinton have been able to turn out enough voter turnout to compete with what happened -- >> i think it is a sign of worry but i would indicate that we're up against obama's historic, unprecedented campaign in 2008, which brought out unbelievable turnouts. but yet we have done in five or six states actually exceeded those turnouts. but here's what the challenge is. in 2014, nobody voted. 63% of the people didn't vote. republicans won a landslide victory. that will happen again in this general election. our job is to create excitement, to create energy, to get working
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people, young people who might not have voted into the process. that's what we have to do. if there is a large voter turnout on election night, you can turn off the tv because the democratic candidate will have won. if there's a low voter turnout, i worry about the outcome. one of the reasons why i think i am the stronger candidate is that we have been generating a significant amount of interest among young people and working people, people who traditionally may not have been voting. >> even if the raw numbers aren't greater than '08, you think the types of voters turn is out, it's a new reach for the democratic party? >> i think so. as we go into the democratic convention, the democratic party has got to open its doors to those young people. to those working people who now do not feel much allegiance to the democratic party. that means the democratic party has got to be very clear about which side it is on. is it going to be on the side of wall street? is it going to be on the side of the drug companies? or is it prepared to stand with working families and low-income people and demand the government that represents all of us, not just the 1%?
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when you do that, i believe when you have that agenda, you create excitement at the base. >> when i look at your overall diagnosis of the big problem in the united states, when i've heard you explain why it is you decided to run, you are the most popular senator in america according to your constituents. they polled every state in the country, nobody likes their senator more than vermont likes you. you have a senate seat for life in vermont if you wanted it. i've heard you explain why you're running for president. it this is big problem of the economic divide. this new gilded age that we're in, concentration of wealth at the top. if your political revolution comes to fruition and you get to make the changes that you have talked about on trade, on taxes, on the banks, on minimum wage, on health care, everything, how long does that plan take to fix the problem, as you see it? >> i think we can do it a lot
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quicker than many people think. the key to that is to rally the american people. to stand up and fight back. and have a willingness to take on the 1% today that has extraordinary power. but can we break up the large banks on wall street and create a financial system that works for small and medium-sized businesses fairly quickly? yeah, i think we can. can we make public colleges and universities tuition-free? yeah i think we can. can we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure? yeah, we can do that. we have to do that by eliminating these outrageous corporate loopholes that now exist and help the states and municipalities rebuild their water systems and their waste water plants. yeah we can do that. can we come up with a tax proposal which says to large corporations, you can't simply put your profits in the cayman islands and in bermuda, you are going to have to start paying your fair share of taxes? yes, i think we can do it. the trick to all of this is that it's not going to be done just
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inside the beltway. it's not going to occur with me talking to paul ryan. it's going to happen when millions of people are actively engaged in the political process. and determined that america is not the country, should not be the country, where almost all new wealth and income goes to the top 1% and the middle class continues to decline. can we do that? that's tough. i don't know. that's hard. that's hard stuff. but i think we can. i think the american people are sick and tired of establishment politics and economics and by the way, a little bit tired of corporate media as well. they want real changes in this country. and i think as president of the united states, we can ignite those changes. >> what's the solution to corporate media? >> i think we have got to think about ways that the democratic party, for a start, starts funding the equivalent of fox television. number two, i think that pressure has got to be put on media to say that, you know
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what, maybe as a nation the american people are excited to hear real discussions on real issues. you tell me, you're in the media. what percentage of media discussion in this campaign is about process? who's going to win in west virginia? how many delegates does hillary clinton have? what dumb thing did donald trump say yesterday. rather than, why are we the only country in the industrialized world not to guarantee health care to all people? how much discussion have you heard on tv about the fact .01% owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%? that's the kind of discussion we need and the american people need to be engaged in that. we have got to demand of corporate media and that's going to be hard, this is against their own best interests. nbc is owned by who? >> comcast, our overlords. >> comcast is not one of the most popular corporations in america, right? et cetera, et cetera. and i think the american people are going to have to say to nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, forget the political gossip. politics is not a soap opera.
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talk about the real damage that's facing this country. i was in mcdowell county, virginia. west virginia. yesterday. people's life -- male life expectancy there is 18 years less than it is in fairfax, virginia. 18 years. people's male life expectancy is the equivalent of guatemala. do you think it should be happening in america? i don't think so. but we don't discuss those issues. i would hope that the corporate media understands they have a responsibility to our democracy to allow serious discussion on serious issues, not look at politics just as a horse race. >> as a candidate, you have raised those issues consistently. >> i have. >> over and over and over again. >> without much success, i must say. >> plenty of success. you've raised $250 million dollars -- >> in terms of the corporate media i'm not. >> every time you get into the corporate media to say what you want to say -- >> i try to jump in. people want to talk to me. sometimes people think it's weird. some commentate over cnn will ask me a question, i talk about something else. because i think it is important
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we do focus on the issues facing the working families in this country. >> what i mean to say about that is that you have brought that focus to those issues as much as you can through the vehicle of this presidency. >> yes. >> when you talk about how things get fixed in the long run you over and over and over again talk about not just yourself and what you want to do but the movement and the people and people getting engaged. >> yes. >> there is only a very small club of people who have turned insurgent, interesting presidential candidacies into ongoing movements that had ongoing effort. president obama tried and it really didn't happen with organizing for america. the best example is on the right, pat robertson, who turned his presidential campaign into the christian coalition. which ended up having a dramatic effect on the republican party. it made them get very hardline on social issues for a very long time and they're reaping the benefit in the states right now. >> yes. >> whether or not you win the nomination, win the presidency, do you have that kind of an organizing model in mind?
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>> well, obviously it would be a lot easier if i were elected president. i was just in indiana last week where united technologies threw 2100 workers out on the street after giving the former ceo a severance package. i would love as president of the united states to be on the picket line with the united steel workers. that's never happened in american history. and i think i would love to be on the picket line with the communication workers of america, cwa, taking on the greed of verizon. okay? and a president can galvanize the american people against the economic injustices, the racial injustices, that are currently existing in america. that's what i would love to do. if i do not get elected president are we going to continue the movement and work with our allies? absolutely we will. >> will you form an overt organization of some kind? >> too early to say because right now my mind is on the next nine primaries and caucuses. >> super interesting, right?
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i mean, he's definitely really invested in the idea of an ongoing movement, ongoing involvement by the people he has motivated, by his campaign. he's at this point not working on anything like that right now, at least not yet. but he would love to walk picket lines as a president, he wants the democrat party to fund a democratic equivalent to fox news. senator sanders also turns out to have an active plan in place to stop something else that is otherwise churning on the edge of our politics right now, and that's next. >> i will do everything in my power to make sure that that absurd, hateful proposal never occurs --
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today one of the great cities of the world, the capital of our greatest -- closest overseas ally, london, elected its first muslim mayor today. from the labor party. if the republican nominee mr. trump is elected president the mayor of london would not be allowed to visit the united states. under any circumstances. because of his religion. >> right. >> which is almost impossible to believe, right? >> yes. >> but it's true. mr. trump says he's going to do it in his first 100 days. do you think that our country has been hurt already by virtue of the fact that the republican party has picked him to be their nominee for president? >> of course it has. first of all, "a," trump is not going to get elected president. my campaign is running, the latest poll, i think 16 points
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ahead of him nationally. and "b," as a united states senator, i will do everything in my power to make sure that that absurd, hateful proposal never occurs. what your question is really asking is, all over the world, people are looking at america. you've got the muslim population all over the world, major religion, saying what is going on in the united states? why do they hate us? i think that that is awful. it's the same thing going on in latin america where donald trump refers to mexicans as criminals or rapists or drug dealers. he is managing to antagonize large sections of this planet against the people of the united states. that is unacceptable, that is incredibly destructive, and that's why this guy will not become president. >> did you -- did your campaign change at all, did you hear anything different from supporters, did you get a fund-raising bump or anything, when he got nominated, when the
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republican primary sort of unexpectedly clattered to an end on wednesday? did you -- were the consequences of that for you in your campaign? >> in terms of fund-raising we got a real boost after much of the media had decided that our campaign was over, we ended up winning indiana, probably going to win west virginia, maybe win kentucky, probably win oregon. and our people are saying, hey, bernie, you've got to fight for every last vote, and we did actually quite well in fund-raising after indiana. >> do you feel you need to sort of start running against him in a way? >> do you need to start running against donald trump now? the hillary clinton supporting super pac put out word they've already reserved $91 million worth of ad time, clinton versus trump. is senator bernie sanders also starting to run against trump now? or is his contest still just with clinton? that answer is next.
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so this is the part about people getting bernie sanders tattoos. yes, he's aware. and where those tattoos are going to turn up down the road in american history. it's also the part about senator sanders running against donald trump now. even if the democratic primary isn't yet over. do you feel like you need to sort of start running against him in a way? part of -- the reason i ask is just because part of what you said about how this -- your primary may end is basically in you appealing for what a better general election candidate you'd be against the republican candidate in the fall. >> yes.
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>> do you need to start running that campaign against him now? >> we do. and frequently in our speeches we talk about not only his incredible divisiveness, insulting mexicans and muslims and women and veterans and african-americans, but we also talk about his economic policies. and this is a guy who is a billionaire, who thinks it's a great idea that we give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top .2% by repealing the estate tax. this is a guy who wants to end the affordable care act and throw millions and millions of americans on the street without health care without coming up with an alternative. this guy has a horrendous foreign policy ideas. so yeah, we do and we will continue to talk against the idea that trump becomes president of this country. >> your proposal on health care, which is medicare for all, got a big boost yesterday, 2,000 doctors endorsed the idea in "the american journal of public health." colorado voters br to have a referendum whether or not that state is going to go to single
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payer system. >> good. >> that was sort of ventured here in vermont as well but it didn't end up coming to pass. do you feel like that may happen in the states and that may be how we approach that as a country? >> that's what happened in canada. saskatchewan against tremendous pressure from the medical establishment went forward and passed a single payer system. it worked so well other provinces began to pick it up. then it went forward nationally. so you're asking me do i think if a major state, whether colorado or california or whatever, goes forward and it works well, other states say, hey, i got a brother in colorado, he's getting health care, great health care, and it's less expensive than the current system. yeah, i think that is one possibility, absolutely. >> when i think about change coming that way, we've seen that happen a lot in things like the minimum wage and things. >> that's right. >> when i think about change happen that way and i imagine it happening over the course of the next decade, 15 years, i imagine people with bernie sanders
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tattoos underneath their suits, secretly being behind a lot of efforts like that. you were mayor of burlington eight years, you've been in the house, in the senate, i'd venture a guess there were no bernie sanders tattoos. >> that's right. >> until you ran for president. but now there are. i wonder if that -- do you think about your most ardent supporters, the people for whom your candidacy has absolutely changed their life and their view fundamentally about their role in this country, what's your hope for them after this campaign? what do you want to see from them? >> i was just in mcdowell, west virginia. the poorest county in this country. we had a few hundred people out to a town meeting. you look at the eyes of the people there who so much want to see our country be more than it is right now. and we have had rallies 25,000, 28,000 people. and it really makes me feel extraordinarily positive about the future of this country.
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looking into those eyes and seeing hope and a willingness to get involved in the struggle. to answer your question, i think what we have done is make people realize that there is no rational reason why we have so mch income and wealth inequality, behind the rest of the world on health care, paid family and medical leaves. if this campaign has made those people realize that they can stand and up fight back and create a government that works for all of us, then i will have accomplished a great deal and i'm very proud of that. >> on the issue of climate change which you put climate change not just on a top ten list, you put it at the top in terms of global challenges and what needs to be priority. has president obama been a disappointment. >> i don't think, not a disappointment but i don't think he has done everything he can.
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look, we're taking on a republican party that has rejected science, where the vast majority of republican congressmen and senators do not even accept the reality of climate change, let alone the need to do what has to be done to transform our energy system. the president obviously recognizes the reality and the dangers of climate change. he has tried. has he done as much as he can in rallying the american people to demand that we transform our energy system? i think probably not. think one of the areas -- when i was a young man, the issue of our time was civil rights. and that's where millions of young people became engaged. the issue of this moment i think is likely climate change. where the young people understand that we cannot allow the fossil fuel industry to continue to make very large profits at the expense of this planet for our kids and our grandchildren. and they are being mobilized. do i think the president has used that energy on the part of young people quite as much as he should have? probably not.
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>> when you were a young man, you said civil rights was the issue of your time. did you have any heros who were politicians? i'm thinking now about your followers today and how strong the movement is in support of you. >> my political heroes -- who was not a politician, martin luther king jr. was an extraordinary leader. because he not only had the incredible courage to take on racism and lead the fight against segregation and for voting rights, he also understood that he had to take on the economic establishment and deal with income and wealth inequality and remember when he was assassinated it wasn't just a "civil rights" demonstration, he was working with some of the most exploited workers in memphis, tennessee, the sanitation workers. also was organizing a poor people's march for african-americans, latinos, poor whites, et cetera. i have enormous respect for dr. king.
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also for eugene debs who was the great socialist party leader in the early part of the 20th century. and also for franklin delano roosevelt. roosevelt came in and defied his own class. he was from the upper class. and he transformed what american government should be in terms of protecting the interests of working families. he revolutionized the role of government. and he had the courage to stand up to what he called the economic billionaire class and look them in the eye and say, you hate me and that's fine, i accept your hatred, i accept it with pride, because i'm going to stand with working families. fdr was a hero as well. >> democratic party may be about to get a windfall. you said with confidence that donald trump will not become president. and i can't see the future but all the political models say that he's not a great top of the
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ticket for them, at least looking from here. if that's true, that will likely have down ballot consequences in the senate, maybe even possibility of flipping the house depending on if it's a wave election. it will have consequences in states. >> governor races. >> so that's going to be a little bit of a windfall for the democratic party if that happens. it may be short lived, and it's not about a transformation of the democratic party like you're talking about. but if there is a windfall where the democratic party has room to run independent terps of policy, what should be at the top of their to do list? that they can get done with control of the government which even if it isn't last long. >> i was mayor of this city, and two years after i was elected we came close to doubling the voter turnout, because we initiated policies that impacted the lives of working people and low income people and they looked around and you know what, actually government can do something for me and bernie is actually
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improving my life and the life of my kids. that's what the democratic party has got to do. for a start, you fight for and you succeed in raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour in 50 states in this country. you're going to have millions of earthquake withers today making 9 action 10, 11 bucks saying thank you. you made it a little easier for me to raise my kids to live with dignity. you changed these trade policies and you tell corporate america, you know what, you're going to invest in the united states of america and not just pay people in mexico 3 bucks an hour and we start creating decent paying jobs. you rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. nobody argues that our roads and bridges, flint, michigan may be the worst but it's not the only city. put millions to work. these are not far flung ideas that will take decades. we can do it if we have the guts f we have the guts to mobilize the american people to stand up
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and fight with us for those changes. everything that i am saying is supported by the american people. let's mobilize. don't worry about campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. speak to the needs of the american people, mobilize them. you know what, they will reward the democrats by voting for them in the future. i told you there was a lot in this interview. so far senator sanders has lid out his to do list for states that may turn blue. he says he thinks he is going to win 25 states, if he doesn't get the majority for the nomination he is going to take his campaign to the convention, not to finagle but to try to improve the party platform. he pledged that as a senator he will personally block effort by a president trump to implement his muslim ban, he said haes not working on a post campaign organization for supporters but seemed to like the idea. he also said the democratic party should fund a democratic
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secretary clinton at this stage of the race. really interesting response. watch this. i have one last question for you and i have -- we talked about this concept before, but i sort of want to know where your head is on it now heading into these last primaries. people who like both you and hillary clinton and who want the democratic party to win and beat donald trump in november, are worried that the two of you will not be pulling in the same direction on behalf of that november goal, that this primary is too hard, that your messages have grown to a point they are too different. supporters, too ackro moanious. yesterday it was protests in east l.a. when secretary clinton was speaking with people supporting you calling her a lifer and creaming. >> let me say a word on that. we have never asked and i'm not comfortable with people disrupting other people's meetings. i think the right to protest is absolutely right, bring out thousands of people.
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not my style to see people disrupting other people's meetings. i had meetings disrupted. i don't like it. >> if they are not disrupting inside do you want your supporters protesting ouz hillary clinton? >> if that's -- we have nothing to do with that. we have millions of supporters and people all over do their thing. people want to protest outside absolutely that's their right to do that. >> you're not encouraging it or discouraging. >> we're not encouraging people to disrupt meetings. that we certainly are not doing. i'm not a fan of that. >> let me be clear though, in terms of people turning out to protesting outside and not disrupting. >> absolutely. if they want to do that that is appropriate. why not. that's what you know, freedom of speech is about, freedom of dissent is about. people standing outside by the hundreds, by the thousands saying look, we disagree. i think it's exactly appropriate. >> when i see people standing outside of hillary clinton event holding feel the bern signs, the people saying liar liar lie e and hillary clinton for prison 2016, that is what leads to these concerns that you and
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hillary clinton worthy as you each may be in your messages won't be polling in the same direction. >> let me say this. donald trump represents a whole lot that i passionately hate, and i will do, if i'm not the candidate, i will do everything that i can to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. i think he would be a disaster for this country in so many ways. that it just almost unthinkable that a man like that could become president. so i will, if we do not win the nomination, do everything i can to make sure that he does not become president. >> senator, it's nice of you to make time especially on such a beautiful day. >> thank you for visiting. >> we'll get out of your hair. senator bernie sanders today pledging to do everything in his power to stop donald trump from ever becoming president. also, wanting his supporters to know he doesn't want them
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disrupting candidate events but protesting outside, not disturnlg couradi discouraging that. senator bernie sanders, guam tomorrow, west virginia tuesday, philadelphia at the end of the road. good morning everyone. i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc live, it is 7:00 a.m. on the east coast, 4:00 a.m. out west. and here's what's happening. >> have you of read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? they are going after me with women, give me a break. >> donald trump goes there as he goes after the clintons, why he's bringing this up now. and how might the clinton camp respond. new talk of a third party candidate. report says that mitt romney's name is in the mix. the water in flint safe enough for the president to drink, but what about the water in your child's school? a new report shows just h