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good morning, everybody. i am joy reid. that was bernie sanders explaining to our own rachel maddow why in his view, his cohort of voters are more powerful, more powerful voting bloc, than hillary clinton's bloc of voters. that's the case bernie sanders plans to make at the democratic national convention in philadelphia. but so far, got to say, bernie sanders is not winning with his cohort of voters. his cohort is actually not helping him get the nomination. in fact, mathematically, sanders is basically eliminated at this point. let's find out why. the reason comes down to one thing, race. more specifically, african-american voters. let's go to my new friend the board here and take a look at the united states broken down by county and by race. these are the various counties in the united states and the concentration of african-american voters is indicated in purple. so the more intense the purple, the darker the purple color that you see, the higher the concentration of african-american voters. not surprisingly, that's mostly in the south.
in the states of the former confederacy, right? so you see high concentrations in places here, in the southern part of the united states, a little bit up here in new york and a little bit out here in the west, but in the vast middle of the country, not a lot of african-american voters. now let's take a look at how bernie sanders and hillary clinton actually did with those voters in the primaries. you see a pattern here? hillary clinton doing well in that same big swath of the country where you have high concentrations of black voters. bernie sanders running up big margins, the intensity of the green and the blue indicating where each of these candidates did better. bernie sanders running up big margins in places like kansas, minnesota and idaho. hillary clinton with prohibitive margins in places like mississippi, alabama, georgia, south carolina. some of these states hillary clinton actually won by 80 percentage points, huge wins. to make that even a little more clear for you, let's look at the 20 states with the highest concentrations of african-american voters. these are the 20 states where
the percentage of african-americans in the population is more than 10%. so again, we are back to the south again. places like georgia, alabama, mississippi. who won those states? we are going to give it a second. who won those states? hillary clinton. hillary clinton winning 19 so far or 18 of the 19 of those states that have voted so far. the only state where bernie sanders managed to get a win, right here in michigan. we will talk a little about that later. so the question is why is this map the way it is? why is hillary clinton doing better in the states that have these high black populations than bernie sanders? the reason may come down to the way bernie sanders explains himself and his issues. let's go back to the interview he did with rachel maddow and listen to him explaining what hillary clinton needs to do to win over his voters. >> as we go into the democratic convention, the democratic party has got to open its doors to those young people, to those
working people who now do not feel much allegiance to the democratic party. that means the democratic party has got to be very clear about which side it is on. is it going to be on the side of wall street? is it going to be on the side of the drug companies or is it prepared to stand with working families and low income people and demand a government that represents all of us and not just the 1%. when you do that, i believe, when you have that agenda you create excitement at the base. >> all right. joining me at the table where i have reappeared having played with that little board, from the national memo, joe conason, msnbc contributor toure and joining us from austin is panil joseph from the university of texas at austin. thank you for coming this morning. i want to start on the last point about the way bernie sanders talks about himself. you have been covering this campaign. you have been on the bus, speak to speak, with bernie sanders. you heard him speak a lot of times. when he's framing issues of
economics, how much does he touch on race typically? >> he typically touches on race in every single speech he gives. he talks about the real unemployment rate being 10% and usually goes into the fact that youth unemployment for hispanics and african-americans is extremely higher. he talks about this idea of raising the minimum wage and this idea that african-americans are going to benefit, wholly women are going to benefit so much if you raise the wages. he has appeal, his message i think is the issue. the issue is in the south, they kind of gave up the south to hillary clinton. i was on this call once, conference call with his senior strategist where they basically said the reason we didn't win the south was because we didn't compete. i was thinking well, you didn't compete so what are you thinking about, why are you talking about it now. i think that was a big problem for him, this idea he didn't think about it. >> to that point, we pulled through the magic of our friends at nbc news, we pulled out the
numbers on the actual spending, whether or not the sanders campaign actively competed for black voters. take a look at that. this is the spending of the campaign so far. they have not wanted for money. in iowa they spent $8 million. in new hampshire, $10 million. you then get to the fourth primary, the most important primary if your plan is to woo african-americans, $972,000. that spend is not big. you look at a state like new york which is a massive media market, they only spent $5.7 million. for a campaign that is saying it wants to win african-americans, it's in their mess age, they haven't spent the money to do it. >> clearly they have not, because they have internal polling they know what they can and cannot achieve in terms of the number of voters they can ramp up. look, i disagree slightly, i think there is a problem with his message in that he's all about class, economy, wall street, inequality. that's great. for a lot of black people that message doesn't resonate because we understand our problems are greater than class. our problems are about dealing with white supremacy and white
privilege. those things are not superseded by when you get a good job or get into the middle class or even the upper class. so he's not dealing with a central problem for us. we understand that this class-based argument is not -- it leaves us cold a bit because it's not the entire story. also, of course, the gun issue. black people are more pro-gun safety than white people were after newtown. that is where we live in a very high level of supporting gun safety. his position on that is just a total non-starter. >> especially in a place like new york where you have these issues, yet it is a state restrictive on guns. the way the sanders campaign talks about its inability to win over african-american voters. i want to start by playing bernie sanders talking about the south. this has become a big issue particularly for supporters of hillary clinton, the way bernie sanders talks about the south. let's listen to bernie sanders. >> secretary clinton cleaned our clock in the deep south. no question about it.
we got murdered there. that is the most conservative part of this great country. that's a fact. >> in my little presentation i did at the beginning, you look at that map of where african-americans live and it is still so heavily concentrated in the south. how does a comment like that wind up landing with african-americans, saying we didn't win the south because it's so conservative? >> yeah. i think he misspoke when he said that. i think that doesn't land very well with the black community. but i think in terms of sanders and race, it has to do with how he's framed his message. he has some great african-american surrogates, he's run an impressive campaign. black lives matter activists sort of pushed him to the left on race. but he's been unable to braid his message of inequality about class inequality like toure was saying, with racial justice. that should be his mantra for every speech. i would add racial and gender justice. bernie's big problem is a problem of intersectionality.
all the young voters and the young activists who are leading black lives matter chants care about intersectionality. they care about lgbt issues, they care about poverty, they care about race, they care about class and they realize we live all these identities simultaneously so i think his biggest flaw has been sort of conceding that, that hillary clinton is going to get these black voters because of bill clinton and because of this decades-long association but like people like michelle alexander talked about when the black community, if you really investigate hillary clinton, the public policy implications of the clinton administration, you will see mass incarceration, a lot of negative policy impacts, but bernie has sort of conceded that and has had this inability to braid that message. we know he's talking about inequality but he doesn't braid it with racial justice and really gender justice, lgbt. he will talk about them in speeches, but it's all segmented
and silo'ed and it's not together. >> to that very point, no one has covered the clinton sort of world more than you have, there is this concession that even though the point is made, particularly younger african-americans are actually interested in sanders' message because they do have this intersectional desire to have something like revolution politically, this is jane sanders, really conceding the african-american vote, all of it, young, old, all of it, to the clintons. take a listen. >> she has a good relationship with the african-american community that goes back decades so that hurts us. it helps her. we are making inroads, especially among those under 45, we are winning across races among those under 45. so it takes awhile for them to get to know bernie. >> i should have said conceding the older part of the african-american cohort saying that's just hrelationship. is that too simplistic,
particularly when they didn't spend ad dollars? >> it's simplistic. there's definitely a generational divide which i have observed. i went with bill clinton in philadelphia to see the leaders of the a.m.e. church, bishops who were meeting there. it was like he was their best friend. they have known him for 30 years or more. they know what he did in arkansas as governor which is different than what he did as president. he broke segregation in arkansas, fought for many years. so people, older black people i think understand this about him. despite differences over issues, plus bernie sanders voted for the crime bill. the crime bill was a different thing when it was voted than people have come to see it now, including the clintons. i think it is complicated. there are strata within the african-american community in terms of voting in this primary. he does have an appeal to younger voters. my view is if bernie had stayed in brooklyn he would be doing a lot better.
he would have the comfort level in those communities that a guy who has lived in vermont as a politician for all these years, all white pretty much, it's just not there for him. whereas hillary clinton knows african-american people, she has them in every campaign, in leadership positions. this is not something new for them. they don't have to go and learn about it. >> one other point i want to make is that what any social group you are asked to join, you will consider who are the people in the group, not just the leaders, right, and you know, i actually lying beike bernie. if he became the nominee, i would be very happy to support him. but the bernie bros are very off-putting. to ask me to join that group and stand shoulder to shoulder with them would be difficult for me to do. i think for some black people would feel the same way. they do not present a positive face for the bernie sanders movement. it's just something that makes it difficult to want to make that leap.
when you have these other idealogical problems of we're not together on guns or this or that, and i got to stand with those guys? >> i want to give this next question to you, as you have been on this campaign trail. i want to show video. this is not about african-americans. this was a rally in los angeles that hillary clinton held on cinco de mayo that was met with bernie broism outside. protesters were screaming at the people who were exiting that hillary clinton rally and just the vitriol and anger you are seeing from the base of bernie sanders supporters, do you see that on the campaign trail in real time? >> i'm usually at the bernie sanders rallies, so it's kind of like a party, very celebratory. when i ask people about hillary clinton, whether they will support her, the first time you ask, usually people, maybe half the people say no. when i say will you support her if she's running against donald trump, 90% of the people say yes. i think while these people might be protesting outside, as soon
as you start asking about donald trump they run over to hillary clinton's corner. i think some of this is also anger in the fact they are seeing their candidate go down. i was reporting all last week about how they were reassessing, cutting, laying off staff, pulling people. i think they are mad to see this movement they had so much invested in coming to an end. >> i think that toure makes a good point, we all experience in the media covering this campaign, we experience it in our social media feeds, the kind of rage really that you see among not all, but some supporters of bernie sanders. does that hurt him in trying to build a broader movement that is at the end of the day based on being part of the democratic party? >> well, i think rage hurts everyone. that never helps a candidate. one of the things that when we talk about things like bernie bros is the lack of sensitivity to again that word intersectionality, the fact we really are in this, all in this together. it goes back to bernie has said he's a socialist, a social democrat. when we go back to the 19th
century, the key for that revolution was just going to be class. race, gender, these other issues were really just side issues and we are bringing the margins to the center. that's what's so exciting about the black lives matter movement. at its best, young bernie supporters of color really talk about intersectionality and some of them have transformed the bernie bros. at its worst, it's just about class. it can turn people off. when we think about november, there's going to have to be some kind of united front if hillary clinton's going to be elected. if young people decide not to vote, not to vote for hillary, if they can't get bernie sanders, they are going to be in for a really rough surprise with donald trump. remember, this happened in 1968, too. we had hubert humphrey, richard nixon, george wallace running for president. eldridge cleaver ran as well.
young people did not go to humphrey and we got nixon. some thought nixon would produce the revolution but he did not. he gave a lot of poor people, lot of black people, a lot of pain. >> thank you so much. up next, republicans had their reagan democrats. anti-trump sentiment is creating hillary clinton republicans. how many will dare to cross party lines? ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
i don't want my children to look at that man and say yeah, he's my president. i won't have that. >> glenn beck is not having it. cracks in gop party unity broke wide open when donald trump emerged as the last man standing and presumptive republican nominee. both presidents george h.w. bush and george w. bush are withholding their endorsements and neither plans to even attend the gop convention in july. house speaker paul ryan is saying nope, at least for now. others like you just heard from glenn beck are anti-trumping all the way to november. so they say. then there were those republicans who are divorcing the party all together. you may have seen some of them on social media, burning their republican party registration cards and posting the official evidence of their deregistration from the gop. there was also another category of republicans who not only ran away from trump and the republican party, but headed straight for the hills like former john mccain aide mark salter and red state editor ben howe who both jumped the
partisan fence, tweeting on tuesday i'm with her. back with me is joe conason and joining me is the long-time republican strategist and lobbyist and from miami, news radio host and pollster, fernand. max, i want to go to you first. we do have this divide over republicans who have dyspepsia over donald trump and those who say they would actually vote for hillary clinton. in which camp are you? >> i will not vote for hillary clinton. i have been a republican all of my life and worked for the republican party and i can't bring myself to vote for hillary clinton. neither will i vote for donald trump. he's not a republican. he's the ultimate rhino. he's a republican in the same sense the visagoths were romans. i think the party is better than that. i think the nation deserves
better than that. he's not qualified to be president on any metric. we created him and it's up to us to stop him. >> you actually win the entire year for bringing that into the discussions. we love you for that. the question is for somebody like you, if you can't bring yourself to vote for hillary or trump, what do you do in november? you are a party leader in a very important swing state. what do you actually wind up doing? >> i'm doing it now. all we need is 3% to 5% of republicans to stay home. we don't have to convince 50%. florida hangs on the knife edge. you can't win the white house without florida. he needs 92% of republicans and he needs to break even and win or slightly win independents. he's unlikely to do either. we only need 3% to 5% of sane republicans with decent values and good conscience to not vote in that race. i'm doing that now. >> wow. so fernand, we have talked about the party in florida trying to
prevent a flood of people walking away. i will show you a few tweets off gop twitter this week. senator lindsey graham saying if we nominate trump we will get destroyed and deserve it. you have national review writer charles cook, madam president. conservative blogger and radio host eric ericson saying i don't want to congratulate hillary clinton on winning the presidency tonight but she just did. and american is essentially dead, declaring its death date to be may 3rd, 2016. how hard will it be for republicans to prevent max from mounting a stay home campaign? >> when he says i'm not going to vote for donald trump and i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton, let's be honest in what that means in the political calculus. that is a vote for hillary clinton. by not participating and voting for the republican candidate in this case, as you said, unbelievably, donald trump, you are in essence causing and signaling other republicans stay
home, that's going to elect hillary clinton. i think what's happening, what's remarkable about this, is that this early out, there is a sophie's choice that the republican party is making in saying hey, we either get the white house or we keep our majorities in congress. i think that's what was so remarkable about paul ryan saying huh-uh, not supporting trump yet. i think their internal studies suggest if we don't do this, we could lose both so let's protect our congressional majority, say no to the trump candidacy for the white house and do what we can to hold on to our majorities in congress. >> you have actually people like george will saying that's exactly what republicans should do. it's essentially their responsibility as conservatives and responsible members of the party to go ahead and let hillary clinton win and then fight it out in 2020 for the white house and protect down ballot races. >> you know, that's sort of their normal. in other words, they are a congressional party now. they haven't been a presidential party for awhile. since george w. bush. they haven't had a prospect of becoming a presidential party.
people said this was a strong field, started out with 17. the other side called it the clown car. nobody was impressed and now it's turned out the worst possible outcome. so now, it sort of is sensible for them to try to preserve their status as a congressional party. if they don't do that, they have nothing. >> is it, in your view, better to rebuild the party essentially by holding on to congress and trying to essentially concede a hillary clinton presidency and try to fight her from there and try to come back in 2020? in your mind, is that a way to build the party and can that work if the base of your party wants donald trump? >> well, i would go back to something the gentleman said earlier about the effect of abstaining in the presidential race. as i said, i'm opposed to hillary clinton. the first segment on your show made me want to open a vein. but donald trump is worse by far. hillary clinton is a democrat.
she's a mainstream democrat. she's no more loose than lyndon johnson, no more liberal than barack obama, no more transactional than her husband and we will survive. donald trump is a fascist. he's a dangerous man. we can't have him be president of the united states. now, we also need to preserve the republican party. it plays an important role in the country. donald trump will destroy it. >> you know, i think that was very well said. andrew sullivan has gone further and called it, i think we are running out of time. he's called it an extinction level event to have nominated donald trump. all my guests are sticking around. much more of this. up next, ted cruz made things entertaining. a look at his campaign trail moments to remember. the ones we will love and truly miss. i have asthma...
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>> back with me is my panel and joining me is daily beast columnist michael tamaski. let me bring you in first. that was paul ryan, essentially hedging, saying he's not ready to support donald trump right now. they are scheduled to meet and we don't know what will happen next week. i want to play you on hannity's show on thursday, newton leroy gingrich. he had this to say about paul ryan's hedgery. take a listen. >> in the case of paul ryan, he made a big mistake today. he needs to understand this. he is the speaker of the house. he has an obligation to unify the party. he has an obligation to reach out. >> michael, newt gingrich is obviously supporting donald trump but will we now see a civil war in the republican party over whether or not they are obligated to endorse? >> it's going to depend in paul ryan's case entirely on what the polls tell him about what impact donald trump is going to have on the races that his house members
face. that's all this is about. it's not really about positions. it's about ryan's assessment of how badly trump's going to hurt his people. there are i forget the exact number, i haven't checked it lately, but there are a number of swing districts in the house and i know the experts added to the list of vulnerable republicans once it became clear that trump was the nominee. so there's going to be polling in those districts and ryan is going to check that polling obsessively and he will see whether trump is going to cost him seats or whether trump is in the end maybe not going to cost him seats. in the former instance, he won't endorse. in the latter instance, he probably will endorse and that's all this is about. >> that's very interesting. as a person that is in the officialdom of the republican party in florida, one of the few states where republican house members actually can potentially have hispanics in significant numbers in their districts, is that something you worry about, particularly in a place like florida where you have state-wide and district level races where hispanics could be
part of it and they are the most anti-trump of all the groups? >> as i said in the earlier segment, i think donald trump will have a devastating effect. maybe i'm exaggerating. i don't know if it will be devastating or not but he will certainly have an adverse effect down ballot. maybe it will peter out further down the ballot you go. but in the florida state race and some of the congressional races, we are a purple state. i just don't think the people of florida are going to be that crazy about the dog whistle that is the trump campaign, torturing people, killing their families, all of that sort of stuff. i think it will be a problem for us. >> you know, another issue that has been a big part of the trump campaign, probably the most animating portion of what he does and why he's attracting people is this idea of building a wall across the southern border. it's what gets huge cheers at his rallies. i wonder if it's also something that sets him apart the least from his party. this is ted cruz talking about the idea of building a wall, from a republican debate in february.
>> in short, what we're going to do, we are going to build a wall, we are going to triple the border patrol, we are going to increase and actually since donald enjoyed that, i will simply say i have got somebody in mind to build it. >> now let's look at john mccain, who lives in a state that is also very heavily latino that has hispanic votes he needs to win at least a plurality of or decent portion of in order to be re-elected state-wide. this is john mccain at a fund-raiser talking about trump hurting his re-election prospects. >> donald trump at the top of the ticket here in arizona, with over 30% of the vote will be the hispanic vote, no doubt this may be the race of my life. people are angry, they are upset, they feel that there's this disconnect, and all of that, and frankly, there's an element of nativi ishgs sshgnat
well. this is going to be a tough campaign for me. >> here is john mccain saying with 30% of the vote in arizona being hispanics it's going to be a tough race for him. this was john mccain back in 2010 and how he was talking about the very same issue that is driving donald trump campaign. >> we got the right plan, plan's perfect. you bring troops, state, county and local law enforcement together and complete the danged fence. >> isn't this an issue that is broader than donald trump? it's not as if he's all that different from the republican party in general on things like immigration. this is an issue that the republican party has been struggling with and they also know they are kind of -- they need to do something because the demographics are not in their favor. i talked to a lot of republican sources who tell me they are working really hard to try to figure out how to get more hispanic votes, to get more black votes. experts i talked to ridiculed the republican party, think about that, because you are candidates, think about mitt
romney saying self-deportation, you think about all these people who have done this. now the republican nominee is known. at the same time, they are trying to go to their base. john mccain, you talk about this fence, he's trying to be the republican nominee at the time. they know they need to talk about their base, they need to kind of rile people up but in a general election, and i would say for the future of the party, they know hispanics will be key and they can't keep doing this. i think that's what you hear john mccain talking about. he's worried for the future of the party. yes, he's worried for his seat but is also wondering how do republicans continue to be elected if we are going to continue to ostracize hispanics. and the voters are growing, they are a huge part of the population and are very poli politically engaged. >> we are starting to see complaints on the right from red state.com that donald trump is already selling out the base. there's a piece called selling treachery in which he is saying donald trump isn't the nominee yet and is already changing his mind and is open to raising the
minimum wage. the "wall street journal" reporting that trump will not be self-funding his campaign, that he will actually raise big money, renouncing his own tax plan which mostly benefits the wealthy and the man he picked to head his fund-raising is a foe former hillary clinton donor. is he moving to the left on a lot of issues while at the same time moving to the right on finance? >> it sure looks that way. that's harder to do than he might think. mitt romney tried to do that in 2012. everyone will remember the famous etch-a-sketch comment that one of his campaign aides made. that comment didn't go down very well. then the implementation of the etch-a-sketch throughout the course of september and october also didn't go down that well. it bought him a little time. he did it very aggressively in the first debate about obama and picked up some points but obviously didn't win the
presidency. it's not that easy for trump to do, for any candidate to do, especially for trump now when he faces a situation when all of these people except jeff sessions and one or two others are extremely wary of him. they will be looking to save their own necks. that mccain quote, yeah, that's how they are all going to be thinking. and not wrongly so. they want to save their own necks first. if that means throw trump overboard that's what that means. >> do you believe in the future what the trump experience has taught your party is they may actually need to abandon some of these ideas including on things like minimum wage. if he will make that pivot and that's already popular with populist working class white voters who vote republican, is trump going to shake up the idealogical firmament of the republican party? >> we need to stop enabling the wrong kind of ideas, stop encouraging the wrong beliefs, that government's their enemy.
trump cannot pivot on immigration because you can't put the xenophobia genie back in the bottle. that was the original foundational lie of his campaign, we were going to round up, transport, house, guard, feed and deport 12 million people, twice as many as joseph stalin managed in 30 years. it was unbelievable and could only be believed by fools and a man who exploits the credulity of fools is a charlatan. i would be stunned if hispanics don't savage him in november. >> you are a great guest. hopefully you will come back. thank you for being here. stay right there. donald trump keeps coming up with new ways to drive away latino voters. that's next. assion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.
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>> do you promise to deport those in this country illegally? do you stand by that? >> yes. they are going to be deported. >> everything i said i would do, folks, i'll do. >> suzanne, donald trump says he will do great with hispanics because he will have a jobs, jobs, jobs message. can a jobs message overcome that? >> there's no way that could overcome what he said. i talked to several gop hispanics asking for a 180 degree turn to even think about talking to him about helping him in the hispanic community. look, we have been doing this from day one, where he opened his presidential bid with an insult of mexicans and calling them criminals and rapists. that was our headline, he was trashing mexicans. he actually got an entree into the hispanic community from the chamber of commerce. the ceo invited him to a
candidate forum to talk to hispanics about the issues. he made a deal and backed out. that's a way of saying you devalue the hispanic vote and you know, he's kind of showing that he doesn't fear it. he doesn't care about it. putting out a taco bell is not the same as what you saw with president obama doing on cinco de mayo. he understands the nuances of the community, how important that was to hispanics. >> fernand, you are my pollster friend in addition to all the other great things you do. i want to throw three stats at you. you clearly already know them but talk about how this makes the donald trump assumption he can win over hispanics really untenable. you have unfavorable ratings at 77 to 12. mitt romney managed to get 27% of the hispanic vote. if that's the percentage trump gets, he's in trouble. let's go to the second stat, the projected electorate in november. white voters, 69%, an historical
low. hispanic voters moving up to 12%. one last statistic, the growth in eligible voters 2012 over 2016. hispanic voters, the fastest growing group in the united states in terms of eligible voters. the question is whether or not hispanic voters in your view will actually come closer to voting their population share because that typically doesn't happen. do you see signs that that actually could happen this year? >> no question. i think all one has to do is go back to see the microcosm precedent for this sort of situation and it was california in the mid '90s during the prop 187 era. donald trump for the hispanic community nationally is pete wilson on steroids. they know this is a big problem, by the way, but i think where donald trump is trying to right the ship by focusing on jobs, that is the number one most important issue for hispanic voters, bar none. lot of folks think it's
immigration. not to suggest immigration is not an important issue, but jobs and the economy. if he thinks he's going to move those numbers around, those horrific numbers that you saw in terms of favorability rating by doing a tweet around cinco de mayo, he's sadly mistaken. he will have to start to walk beco back some of the statements. i don't think he can. this is the very reason i think he was propelled to the leader board position on the republican nomination side. it started off as a very strong anti-immigrant, anti-illegal immigrant, undocumented immigrant message and all mixed in there is the problem with the hispanic community because on the one hand while immigration is not the most important issue, they see that as a code issue for disparaging the hispanic population and i just don't see how donald trump walks that back between now and november. >> yeah. all right. well, if you see the little box in your lower right-hand corner of the screen, that is president
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