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forgotten. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." happy mother's day, everyone, thank you for joining us. we're at msnbc headquarters in new york. the question is, can trump entice the establishment? less than five days to go before the gop nominee sits down with the top man at capitol hill kechlt win paul ryan's endorsement? if not, how will it affect his party's support? trump giving his two cents on "meet the press" earlier today. >> we have to go about it. i'm going to get millions and millions of votes more than the republicans would have gotten. if you look at the numbers, i think right now or i will be this week or next week in the
history of the republican party, nobody has ever gotten so many votes as i have. i have beaten eisenhower and nixon and reagan and everybody. >> the billionaire businessman not stopping there. refusing to tone down attacks on hillary and bill clinton over the scandals of a '90s. the former secretary of state firing back essentially telling trump to bring it. but the lingering question is this -- move helping or hurting trump's shaky relationship with female voters? a lot to get to on this sunday. let's start with the presumptive gop donald trump. he started to gain support from the republican establishment. one holdout, paul ryan. on "meet the press," trum health care plan this to say about ryan not supporting him. >> i've never stunned by anything that happens in politics. but i'm not -- so i'm not -- yeah, i was blindsided. but he spoke to me three weeks ago and a very nice call, very encouraging call. don't know him well. i met him one time. i have a nice relationship with him.
all of a sudden, he gets on and does this number. i'm not exactly sure what he has in mind. but that's okay. >> joining us now is nbc correspondent katie turr. big meeting taking place this thursday. donald trump obviously scheduled to meet with house speaker paul ryan. who needs who the more here and what is the dynamic at play? what do we expect to come out of this meeting? >> it depends on the goals for each of the people involved. donald trump's goal is to become president. also there is talk about what paul ryan's ultimate goal is here. but taking it on face value, both men need each other. donald trump, like it or not, is going to be the nominee for the republican party. and in order to win in november, they have to find a way to unify. no party has won when it's been splintered like. this it just hasn't happened. and so donald trump needs the party to help them fundraise. he needs the strategy they v he needs the organization they have. he needs the backing of washington. and they need him to not crater the chances at the white house.
that's on the face. behind the scenes, there is some scuttlebutt, there is talk that maybe the republican party loses this race, takes solace in fortifying their position in the house and senate, block all of hillary clinton's potential proposals and some of paul ryan or someone like him goes up in 2020 when they had three runs of democrats and it's now a prime election for republican to take over. >> there's some stark differences between paul ryan and donald trump on some key policy issues at the core of the conservative movement whether it is social security and some other issues like. that but does that mean that the issues between them are irreconcilable snt differences between them are irreconcilable for donald trump? he's changing some policies. >> nothing is irreconcilable, absolutely nothing. what you're seeing with donald trump, you're finding out that many of his policies are not set in stone. i think what you need do is take a bigger picture look at donald
trump and who he is. you may not change your opinion of him. but he often said he's a believer in the artst deal. he wrote an entire book on it. in that, take the most extreme position in the negotiation. he can move towards making a deal. and there are people out there who believe that donald trump has taken the most extreme positions in the primary and will start to move towards the middle come the general election. i've had conversations privately with a lot of folks who are close to him. and they say that the social issues are not things that he's going to hit very hard in the general. he's going go for what is in the wheel house and that is the economy, trade, and creating jobs. i think you're starting to see that. >> all right, good to have you us with. thank you for your insights. after repeated attacks from trump, the clinton campaign responded to trump's attacks earlier. he suggested destabilizing the entire u.s. economy and cited attendance he is miss universe pageant in russia proof of his
policy experience, of course he wants to try to change the subject. hillary clin doesn't care what he says about her. she will continue to call him out for his outrageous positions and divisive comments. kristen welker joins us live from our washington bureau g to see you. let's talk about the trump attacks against hillary clinton and bill clinton. are they helping him or are they driving voters, especially women voters, away from his campaign? >> well, that's the big question. it hasn't been answered yet. i think we'll know more in the coming weeks and months. the clinton campaign strategy is to essentially dismiss those attacks and, yeah, they do think it's going to hurt him f you look right now at his unfavorability ratings among women, they're through the roof. clinton beats him by more than 20 points among women voters. i don't think you're going to see secretary clinton directly respond to the very personal attacks. i think some of her surrogates doll that type of work. she's asked about it during an interview that was conducted on
friday that aired to day. take a listen. >> i'm not going to run an ugly race. i'm going to run a race based on issues and what my agenda is for the american people. i don't really feel like i'm running against donald trump. i feel like i'm running for my vision of what our country can be. >> there are some democrats who worry privately that those attacks by donald trump could hurt secretary clinton. but her strategy is to talk about his foreign policy and to continue to remind voters of some of the controversial comments that he made about immigrants, minorities, and, of course, women voters. the clinton campaign has really aggressively been reaching out to women voters in recent days in the wake of some of the comments. that donald trump made. >> all right. thank you for that, kristen. turning now to the republican party in civil war over donald trump, now that trump and speaker ryan agreed to meet, how much work needs to be done to bridge the wide political and policy gap that exists between the two of them? joining me now to discuss it is
tom doherty, republican strategist and former senior advi adviser to george pataki and a national reporter for "owe lipoe yoe." they put together ten key policy issues. there are differences between paul ryan, some things he stakes his entire political career on. things like social security, medicare. how big of a gap is it between these two men? how important is it to address the policy differences between these? >> i think it's very important. paul ryan from day one as a congressman, it has been about policy. you know, last election, you know, the ryan budget was a big deal. it is something he put a lot of time and neefrt. we focused a lot in the last few days about local congressional races. they're important, right? he's got to stay the speaker. in the end, it's going to be a serious conversation on thursday about going forward. >> let me follow up on that and ask you ho donald trump with influence the party platform in cleveland. how do you see that as a possibility?
>> i think it's going to be a negotiation across the board. there are those who want to keep the strict pro-life position down the line s that something that trump is going to want to do going into a national election? there is a lot of give and take. that's why the thursday meeting is going to be solely on the policy agenda for the party going forward. >> gabe, we talked a lot about who is not necessarily endorsing donald trump, at least not yet including speaker ryan. but sarah palin is somebody that came out endorsing donald trump and, in fact, saying that fact that paul ryan is not endorsing donald trump could hurt him down the road politically. take a listen to what she said this morning. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be kantered as an eric kanter. his political career is over. but for a miracle because he is so disrespected the will of the people. and, yeah, as the leader of the gop, the convention certainly he is to remain neutral and for him to already come out and say who
he will not support was not a wise decision of his. >> so is paul ryan's political future at risk here as sarah palin said? it's infectively over? >> i think it's too early to say his political future is at risk. there are serious fault lines right now in the party. en that meeting on thursday is going to be a very big moment to see if they can start to patch that together. you know, what they're going to try to do is get trump nailed down on a series of policy issues. it's a question of tone and the question he talks about the rest of his party. he is not necessary ln been as negative toward ryan as some others have been such as palin. but if they can't start to patch it together and start to get him to change his tone about them, there's going to be a real question about people like ryan. >> some are a little bit surprised by the endorsement of john mccain, somebody who donald trump was critical of to a lot of people's disappointment earlier on in this campaign. nonetheless, he said he is going to endorse him and go against the will of the voters tachlt a listen to what john mccain said about the tenor of the trump
campaign. i'll get your reaction to it. >> we're seeing the personalization of a campaign like this one where people's integrity and character are questioned. what he said about me, john mccain, that's fine. i don't require any repair of that. but when he said i don't like people who are captured, then there's a great -- there's a body of american heroes that i would like to see him retract that statement. >> so there are some senators like mccain who are fighting tough re-election battles. i'm curious to get your take on how they -- how you think they're going to fair. >> mccain is facing a primary. then going forward if, he's able to get through there, he's got a large latino vote in arizona that he's going to have to deal with as you know, the hispanic population is across the country
is a movement now against trump. he has a tough hold there over the next couple months. he has to get through the primary first, working with trump helps him. then he has a general election that he's already said, you know, maybe something where arizona becomes a state in play. that isn't something that i think right now across the bored h. board, the reason the ballot is not hurt right now is because trump is not a republican brand. he's a trump brand. it's going to be very interesting as you look at districts. a key one like long island, for instance, he saw trum npt primary in new york. he won to trump. he took a look at it. trump is leading hillary in that district slightly in a district that obama won four years ago. it's going to be very individualized. right now, they're not hurting for that reason. >> stick around us with. we'll talk to you later on on the show. thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. preview to the racial politics we may see in november's general election matchup is playing out overseas. khan became the first muslim
mayor in london. he had to overcome attacks on his muslim faith. he said of his conservative opponent zach goldsmith and david cameron they used fear and innuendo to turn religious groups against each other, something straight out of the donald trump playbook. joining me now is senior fellow at the institute for global enga engagement and veteran of the george w. bush administration. it's obvious trump stands on muslims, especially his muslim ban proposal. it's not just affecting politics here, it's certainly getting a lot of notice overseas. given trump's rhetoric against muslims and his ban proposal, do you plan on voting in supporting donald trump? >> no. i'm a conservative. i'm a life long reagan conservative. therefore, as a conservative, i can not support a donald trump for the presidency. his position onz a host of issues whether it's the ban on muslims, religious
discrimination, on trade, on taxes, on so many issues is very much against the very bedrock principles of conservatism and, therefore, i can't support him this november. >> do you think trump's policy, particularly on the issue of that muslim should be addressed in the republicans convention platform in july? if so, what should it say? i think we're the party of lincoln. we're the part of reagan. it's to be a shining city upon a hill. a beacon for those who are yearning to be free, who come here to become american citizens and therefore, as a conservative that, policy that mr. trump is now pushing to discriminate based on religion, not only against muslims but against hispanics, the disabled, against military veterans is something again that has to be rejected by not only conservatives, republicans, but by all americans. >> muslims in general may not necessarily be the most influential or important voting block in the united states.
given what happens to the community here, may have an impact on issues that matter to the u.s. at whole like, you know, national security counter-terrorism, radicalization and foreign policy. do you think that as the general lection season approaches, should trump conduct a public outreach to the muslim community? >> that's my hope is that he's a candidate in learning, that he will reach out to muslim americans who are on the front line fighting against terror, fighting against those who seek to harm our country. and that, perhaps, as sbhob is relatively new to politics, my hope is that he will reach out to muslim americans, hispanics, other americans to learn about the reality about how and what all america is about and so, therefore, will pull back from some of the very unamerican and irresponsible position statement that's he's made in the past. >> if you were quickly to renounce the ban, would you support him? what would very to do to win your support as a conservative?
>> again, the ban is not only irresponsible on american and very much against conservative principles, but it is also unconstitutional. there have to be no tests and therefore he needs to withdraw this position. if he wants to protect our country, which i hope he's sincere in that endeavor, then he needs to consult with real national security experts who will tell him specifically that, again, muslim americans are loyal, they're part of our country and on the front lines fighting against terror and therefore any ban on anybody base ond on religion must be rejected. i'm hoping that his position on that will evolve to an american constitutionally based principle of inclusion. >> all right. we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much. hail khan joining us. >> happy mother's day. >> take care. more on the 2016 election still ahead. also coming up, the political crisis in iraq. is the country's political system on the brink of collapse and how involved should the united states be in keeping the country stable?
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welcome back, everyone. parts of kansas, oklahoma, nebraska, and texas are bracing for severe weather today. all of this come after a tornado left the path of destruction through a rural area of eastern colorado on saturday. officials say five people suffered minor injuries. the half mile wide twister also caused significant damage to several properties and knocked down dozens of power lines. meanwhile, dry conditions and high winds continue to fuel a massive wildfire in the canadian province of alberta. nasa released photos of the fire's growth over the last several days. striking images, officials sayer, the flames have spread across nearly will 800 square miles and could soon reach the
neighboring province of saskatchewan. thousands of displaced residents got a drive by view of the burned out neighborhood this is weekend. nearly 90,000 people have been evacuated since that fire started one week ago. one evacuee described her terrifying experience as she and her family ran for their lives. >> all i thought is dear loord if, can you get my children safe, then i don't care. i was on my knees in the truck thinking -- am i going to get from north to south? >> nbc's reporter is in wood buffalo outside ft. mcmurray, one of the hardest hit areas. miguel, you and i spoke about 24 hours ago, assessing the conditions and the situation where there was working against the firefighters. have officials been warning that the situation is going to get worse for the next 24 hours? what are you hearing? >> yeah, they're saying it's not going to be quite as bad as it was yesterday. but i can tell you at this hour
we have those gusty winds again. it certainly not what firefighters wanted to see earlier today we had cooler temperatures. it's beginning to warm up a bit. we had very, very light sprinkles which, of course, is aiding in the fire fight. but right now we haven't seen any rain offer the last couple of hours. we don't inspect to see it any time soon. so that certainly is going to be bad news for fire iters. crews have said they'll need a heavy dousing of rain here over the next several days to stop this massive wildfire. they anticipate it will burn for months. likely traveling at least 500 miles from here. this fire has already consumed nearly 400,000 acres, some 1600 homes and businesses have been destroyed. that number is sure to climb when fire crews make a better assessment of this area. as you mentioned, this place has been so aggressive and so unpredictable. right now they say the fire is working its way away from communities in a moment's notice this fire can shift on a dime. of course, that's the big concern here today.
>> miguel, let me pick up on a word you used there, months. i know i heard that correctly. but explain to us how it's possible that a fire like this is possibly going to burn for months and what are they hoping to do about it? >> yeah. it's a dire situation here. the fire is really burning in the middle of a big natural forest. the forest here, manufacture the trees here have died. millions of them. so that certainly active fuel for this fire. firefighters at this point are simply trying to keep it out of the neighboring communities in this area. but they're letting it burn through the forest. because this blaze has already so been so big, they can't stop it. they can only try to slow it down. but because of its size and because of the shear number of boots, they need to stop a fire like this the better alternative here, the better strategy is to let it burn, to let it work its way through this forest and because there is so much fuel here, it will burn for months. >> wow. incredible. all right. thank you very much for that update. we'll check in with you in the
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president obama is set to designate the stonewall inn the first national monument to gay rights. it's been nearly 47 years since the iconic bar became the epicenter of the gay rights movement. they raided the stonewall back in 1969 and bar goers back sparking an uprising in the streets of new york city. that turning point helped open the door for the eventual inaction of a number of anti-discrimination protections permitting gays and lesbians to serve in the military and legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide. joining me now, an original stonewall inn writer. great to you have us with. we were talking a little bit about this in the significants of this.
but tell our viewers, our audience what this means. what is the significant of what is expected to happen tomorrow? >> the significant is it's good to have a geographical place, a place on the map where we with k. go to. when i was a teenager, the only gay monument was an inadvertent one. it wasn't in this country. i saw the pink patch, i dnts realize it was so systematic this oppression. it was fright ening to see. that now to see stonewall elevated to this point as a national monument is really important. >> take us back to the days of the rioting. what do you remember? what was it like across the country at the time? >> i don't know what it was like across the country. new york was the freest city. that is different africa a free city. but it was difficult because of the raids, the whimz of the
police, the oppression and of the sanction that you could beat gays, groups of guys that are gays as a sport almost. >> tell me about the stonewall back then. was it most popular spot? was it known openly it was a gay bar where people frequenting it at the time knowing something like this could happen and koibt raided at any snoint. >> i don't think anyone thought it was going to be raided. we didn't think like. that raids were always a shock. and no one anticipated them. they wouldn't have gone in. but it was a dance bar tlachlt very important. and it's location was very important because it was right in the center of the village. >> how did the protest then -- how did it organically come you to guys that you wanted to defend this and this is where you were going to take a stand not in previous incidents that happened before? why that incident, i guess. why did that become a turning point? >> it was the last horrah of turf in new york. it was our street.
you could go to christopher street and not have to look around, not have to look ahead of you. not worry you'd ab tacked. so that made it our turf. once that was invaded, there was nothing left for us then. >> how did that change in the days afterwards? how did that become a movement? >> well, we became a people. and so we knew it. we defended our turf and we gained through it. it was very, very different even after the week. we felt differently. felt stronger. >> let's talk a little bit about kurnd climates across the country, particularly in north carolina, obviously there's the new anti-lgbt bathroom law. in fact, last week the u.s. justice department ruled that law violates the u.s. civil rights act and title nine. the governor resisting opposition to the law. what is your take on that? >> well, it's interesting that, again, it is like transgender or drag queens in the forefront of this fight. they're always most oppressed.
even back then. and their rights are even going on now. this kind of thing, they face this kind of problem. but whoever faces the problem each time it's a victory. each time it's strength. i think we'll gain strength from this kind of opposition. we have to have some opposition. we're still queers. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. thanks for coming on. take care. next, we'll turn back to the 2016 race. hillary clinton says a lot of republicans have already contacted her. how will she try to win over those who are refusing to back trum snp a look at her strategy going forward. allergies with nasal congestion?
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watching me as opposed to me watching hillary. so that's good. and it's going to be an interesting thing. bernie sand serz not being treated fairly. not being treated fairly. it's a rigged system. >> and on the democratic side, hillary clinton said she was encourage bid senator sanders this week' hopes to unify democrats kind her candidacy. >> he has to make his own mind up. i was very hearten fod hear him say last week that he's going to work seven days a week to make sure donald trump does not become president. and i want to unify the party. i see a great role and opportunity for him and his supporters to be part of that unified party, to move into not just november to win the election against donald trump but to then govern based on the progressive goals that he and i share. >> joining me now to discuss this is rick wade, former senior adviser to president obama and national political reporter for "politico." nbc debuted the battleground map this week when it comes to a
potential clinton-trump matchup. we have a little on the screen. talk to us a little bit about the states that you feel the clinton campaign is the most vulnerable in. >> there are certainly some states that you see the trump people say that they think that they can, you know, compete in that clinton says, well, this is not a real battleground state. you look at places like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, the theory thak if he can really drive up turnout among middle class white males, then he'll be able to compete in these places. but these are place that's tend to go to democrats. it's going to be a long haul for him if he's really going to make that a real battleground. >> rick, trump, as we heard, lashed out at the clintons yesterday bringing up the issue of former president's infidelities and imimpeachment. a recent poll shows him leading by 26 points among the women k the party get trump to tone down his rhetoric on this particular issue? does he need to if he wants to win women's votes? >> well, he certainly needs to do. that he needs to do a lot more.
the reality is i'm not sure that he can. he is who he is. hillary clinton is doing very well among women. and i think as he does well among women, hispanic voters, african-americans and young millennials working with the bernie sanders team to integrate them into her coalition. you know, what i now call the coalition plus. i think she can do well, reaching out as well to moderate republicans. but donald trump has already cast the dye. his policies, proposals, divisive not only against women but so many other demographics and segments of this political electorate. i'm not sure he can pick up on that. >> let me pick up on the point we heard there. hillary clinton began to broaden the message a little bit to appeal to the republican voters. let me play you the sound bite she said and i'll get your reaction on the back end. >> i think that for a lot of people, again wloshgs take their vote seriously and who really see this as a cross roads kind
of election, i'm asking people to come join this campaign. i've had a lot of outreach from republicans in the last days who say that they're interested in talking about that. >> picking up on rick's point, how can a hillary clinton campaign reach out and win over disaffected republican voters? >> i think what you're going to see is a lot of people, including hillary clinton herself, but a lot of home run surrogates talking about the dangers of a donald trump presidency as they see it. the way they see it is she can bring these people in by basically saying i'm not donald trump. obviously, they're going to try to have an affirmative message here. the opening message has to be, according to how they see it, we will welcome you into this side of the arena. and it's a risky move, of course. they are v. to still worry about bringing along bernie sanders vote wloerz are not necessarily convinced. it's a argument we're starting to see them make. >> rick, president obama has been, you know, selective in the
comments he says about the race. this week he actually spoke out about it. do you expect him to hit the campaign trail, play a bigger role before the convention. >> well, maybe'before the convention. oufiesly, while hillary clin is a presumptive nominee, there aa proper process where the nominee will be selected. i do expect that he will play a very important role, traveling across the country, being able to mobilize again what we define as the obama coalition. and i think it's going to be very important, particularly with regards to younger voter as well that, demographic that bernie sanders has been able to capture, inspiring and motivating them into build the coalition and unity across the democratic party, across the country. >> we heard in the sound bite from hillary clinton saying she, you know, applauded bernie sanders for saying he wanted to unify the party. he and his supporters had a big role to play in the party going forward. what role do you see bernie sanders playing in the
convention with the democratic party? and potentially going forward? >> well, i think bernie sanders made it very clear he hopes to shape the convention in significant ways. he wants to have a real conversation about certain points on the platform. these conventions tend to be run by the team of the winning candidates. so what we'll likely see is the clinton team, assuming she can continue on and be fulfill the role as the nominee, giving supporters a real opportunity to fill out platform points and to basically have a night maybe to say, this is where we stand. >> rick, while the early numbers show hillary clinton is leading donald trump, how much as a democrat are you worried about trump's unpredictability? any fear he'll be able to keep hillary off balance and on the defense, so to speak, for the next several months? >> well, you know, i've said before, you know, the one thing i wouldn't expect that hillary clinton to do is get in the mud with donald trump. all of his divisive politics, strategies to divide and believe
that he's conquering and going to win is absurd. what i expect hillary will do is continue to talk about issues that matter the most to people, the economy, national security, making sure that women, our moms have the kind of maternity leave and childcare types of policies in place to be able to support our families. stay focused on the issues. don't get engaged in the negative of bigotry types of politics that donald trump had engaged in. let me tell you also this about moderate republicans. i've had conversations with the business community leaders across the country. hillary and both donald trump may not be popular, have the unfavorables, people are absolutely afraid or scared of what donald trump -- a donald trump presidency can become. hillary was absolutely right. he is a loose cannon. and loose cannon tends to misfire. >> good point that he was saying is a potential shot. all right, rick wade, former senior adviser to president obama and gabe from "politico."
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fortified green zone tearing down walls and mobbing one lawmaker inside the parliament. joining me now is activist and founder of women for women international. good to have you with us. you know, let's talk about the protests particularly those that took place last week. thousands of attacks were launched on soldiers after the invasion. now he's going after his own government. how worried should the white house be as they're sending more troops to iraq to fight isis? >> well, of course everyone should be worried about the instability in iraq. everyone i spoke with in iraq right now are worried about the instability. people are confused. but let's talk about what are they worried about and where what they're confused b no one knows what to do. what are the steps that should take place? but everyone is united about their frustration in term of the corruption of the iraqi government. particularly of the parliament. parliamentarians are getting paid tremendous amount of money to the equivalent of getting an
executive package salary at goldman sachs in the u.s. they are corrupt and they are not actually held accountable for their corruption and that is being felt by the who's who, the average every day nern iraq. seven worried, is united that about their frustration with the government. everyone is worried about the instability of the government. and because isis is right. there it's still controlling a good chunk of iraq. and there there are ways of recruiting people and is saying and is actually the corruptionst country, the corruption of the governments and all of these things. so we should be worried. and we should be taking some concrete steps to actually resolve some of that. >> let me pick up on that point and ask you about the urgent need to try to stabilize the government in particular. obviously, holy month for muslims is around the corner and a time in recent years that we've seen isis has launched massive atalks and last month was called a month of disaster.
you heard josh ernest deny that iraq's instability is hurting the fight against isis. do you see that as the case? can you fight against isis with the politically weak central government in baghdad? >> no. you cannot. i mean, you k it will increase the malicious fighting against isis as opposed to an iraqi government fight against isis. the more you have militias fight clg is mostly by iraqi definition shia ma ligss, the more we exaspirate the tension and exaspirate the fear. so it's not that there will not be fighting against isis. it's who is leading this fight and whether it is a legitimate iraqi government that includes sunni or shia or whether it is a militia that is mostly see shia militia fighting against isis. that makes a difference how we're going to stabilize the country. does it make a difference in even how do we get rid of isis or not. >> let me get your take on this real quick. all of this is coming at a time when americans want their government to actually to do less overseas. this is according to a new pugh
research poll that showed 57% want the focus to be on domestic issues instead of helping other countries. do you think that u.s. politics and the presidential election will hinter the help that is needed in iraq right now? >> i have to be very honest. a lot of the crisis that we're in is not -- has not come in a vacuum view of u.s. intervention in iraq. we have a very bad anti-corruption law, for example. that was introduced by the administration of iraq. a lot of the issues, the tension between sunni and shia are talking with nonstate actors has actually america contributed to some of that tension. so i am not a fan of u.s. intervention in iraq. i am a fan of international pressure on iraq that includes the u.s. but it includes europe and russia and others of calling for a new election in iraq. reform smfg the laws and making i actually much more accountable for anti-corruption and sort of creating incentives for iraqi
government. >> yeah, it's an uphill battle. we have to leave it at. that thank you for your time very much. founderer of women for women international. thank you for joining us. in the wake of recent attacks around the world, there is a few myths shattered on how young arabs view the terror organization. the annual arab youth survey found 78% reject isis and think it would fail. the foundings were that lack of jobs was believed tore the maybe driver of isis' recruitment, not extremist views of islam. joining me is a former senior adviser to bill clinton a. thank you for joining us. >> happy mother's day. >> this is now the eighth year you have done this survey. but this year i guess it has a little bit more of a greater significance to particularly what is happening with isis. what was your main take away from this survey this year? >> my main take away is two things. first off, the rejection of
isis, the outright rejection of isis. i mean nearly 80% of the young people across the region and this is a very thorough survey. basically said there is no way they could ever imagine affiliating with isis even if it rejected its violent ways. that's number one. the number rejected its violent ways. the number two thing is we've been doing this for eight years. that means we've been doing it since the arab spring. and a question that we've asked across the last six years relates to how arab youth view the positive impact of arab spring. so six years ago when asked, do you think arab spring has had positive impact on the region, 72% said yes. today, 36%. >> so if you're sitting here in the u. and looking at this survey and one of the issues that struck me the most also is young muslims joining are not doing it because of religious extremism but doing so because -- or the belief is because of a lack of economic opportunity. how does that then shape policy makers, decision makers here in
the united states in terms of trying -- >> i mean i think it says we should be helping to create opportunity in that part of the world. the more we are actually engaging with people, businesses and young people and even governments in that part of the world up to a point, the better off we're going to be in terms of muting a lot of the concerns and considerations that have led to the rise of isis. now, it's not perfect, right, because we know it's a very complicated situation politically and economically. but i think that's what it tells us. you know, we did another survey that you and i talked about this past week of americans. >> right. >> and their attitudes about arab youth because we wanted to sort of see how it looked. and what's interesting is that 53% of americans think that a majority -- at least a majority of arab youth support isis. >> yeah. >> so there's a huge gulf there, and we need to educate ourselves about what is really happening in the region. >> all right. i'm sorry. we're going to have to leave it at that. but very fascinating survey.
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