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now that trump has the nomination, he's gonna become president, okay? because people don't like to admit it in public, but they secretly really like trump. everywhere i go, i'm like, you guys like trump? and they're like, boo, no! and then i'm like, are you going to vote for him? and they're like, probably. and yes, a lot of people hate trump. but don't forget, a lot of people hate hillary, too. no one's really happy with either of these choices. it's like if you're in the mood for soup, and go to the diner to get soup, but the only two options they have left are pumpkin corn chowder or hillary clinton. >> what?! good morning, everyone. that's a quizzical joke.
it's monday, may 9th. do you think we'll see the sun today? >> yesterday, holy cow! beautiful. >> with us on set -- >> anybody that seen the matrix, the last one where they go above the clouds and go, it's beautiful, and phew. >> legendary columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. managing editor of bloomberg politics and cohost of "with all due respect," mark halperin. what an amazing show. who would absolutely be obsessed with that show? who? i can't think of one person. not anybody in their right mind. >> i finally went to see "hamilton." hamilton, rickles, i don't think it's even a close call. people will remember the summer of 2016. >> and in washington, we have nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell with us this morning. and pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and
msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. great group! >> before we do the read, i've got to ask. what's going on? what's going on out there? >> there's just a lot of battle lines being drawn. and i think they're fake. i think this whole trump/ryan thing is phony so they could meet this week and come together and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. donald trump just said -- >> i'm getting tired. >> -- that he would consider stripping paul ryan's chairmanship of the republican national committee. >> do they have a meeting this week? >> to me, the weekend's encapsulated by the following. "the wall street journal" editorial page said trump could lose the entire election in the next month if he doesn't get his act together. and mike and i have the same experience. we talked to a bunch of liberal democrats over the weekend who say, hillary can't win. the country is divided over this election and what the possible outcome could be. >> so why is donald trump attacking paul ryan when paul ryan said something last week that we all thought, at least i
said, hey, trump said the right thing, ryan said the right thing. they come together, it's actually symbolic of something much bigger. so then trump this weekend goes out and hammers him even more. >> because, joe, he wants to go into the meeting the in a position of strength. >> yeah, he doesn't have that much strength, actually. >> no, no, no. >> i don't think trump can tolerate what ryan said. get in line, he's the nominee. >> then he can't tolerate running for president. >> that's exactly right. >> he should go back to reality tv. if he can't handle that? >> art of the deal. ryan has said -- >> well, with ryan has to hold out now. >> ryan has said something extraordinary. ryan has said, you're not good enough for me to endorse. >> that's not what he said. he said, i'm not ready right now but i look forward to it. >> no, he said -- >> don't distort what paul ryan said. >> think what would normally happen. >> but this isn't a normal year. >> the guy is on track to win
more votes than any previous republican nominee, and the speaker of house, rather than doing what mitch mcconnell or most everyone else has done, has said, i'll wait and see. >> you know, donald trump is also, though, donald trump is also has offended more people in his party than any presumptive nominee. he has higher disapproval ratings than any candidate ever to run for president of the united states at this stage. paul ryan saying, hey, you know, i'm not ready right now, but i'm thinking about it. you know, it was a very clear sign, for anybody who's not stupid, for anybody that didn't just start practicing politics nine months ago, for anybody that has a brab -- >> okay, be nice. >> and knows how to read other politicians, it was a sign, i'm not here now, but i'm going to meet you and we're going to meet in the middle. but i've got to say this, mike. if he can't handle paul ryan in negotiations like this, without wl blowing it up, what's he going to do when he starts negotiating with people across the world?
if he can't handle this paul ryan negotiation any better than this. >> mark, you referenced "the art of the deal" with regard to donald trump. joe referenced the idea of politics, which is the art of governance. donald seems to come to the table. first of all, he's playing on a much bigger stage now than he was three weeks ago. a much bigger stage. he is the nominee for president of the united states by a major political party, the republican party. so now, everything he says has to be measured against, you know, do you let someone take 10%, 20% when you're negotiating? you've got to give the other person some sense you didn't entirely lose everything. paul ryan knows how to do that. donald trump, apparently, wants everything -- >> how about the fact, that best i can tell from my reporting, rune didn't give trump a heads up. how about that? >> i think it doesn't matter. >> it is donald trump's party to bring together now. paul ryan. there's nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. i don't know if you're angling for an interview here or not,
but this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> paul ryan was moving in that direction. >> i'm just answering the question, why did trump do what he did over the weekend. paul ryan went out and announced this without calling, he's the nominee of the party, and ryan says he wants to support him, call him up. >> mark halperin, would you like to make a bet with me? >> yeah? >> i will bet you something very nice that the meeting will end up well and this is just battle lines being drawn to step up the drama. >> i don't -- i never bet on what i cover, but i think i'm right. >> getting a pickup truck. >> at event after event over the weekend, trump said ryan's comments came as a surprise. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know. and he the other day just in a big -- i didn't get paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know what happened and he called me three weeks ago. en we can have had a nicer
conversation. thank you very much, donald, it's great and we'll work together. well, everything's fine. and then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. i've gotten tremendous endorsements. i didn't get it from ryan, though, can you imagine? paul ryan. that's a hard one. >> he's making everyone boo him wherever he goes. trump also -- >> here's a funny thing. paul ryan's going to be speaker of the house, yeah? you knew tip. you knew people that run the house. good luck getting anything through the house of representatives. you know, it's very funny for donald. he can do that to ben carson and he can do that to mike huckabee. good luck doing that to the speaker of the house. i'm just saying. have fun. >> trump also tried to rule out blocking ryan from becoming the convention chairman. and that call he's referring to, the speaker's office says it never happened and the last time the two talked was in march. so we have some other battle lines being drawn here. it's worth talking about.
>> we have some other guests. andrea mitchell, have you ever seen a nominee, a presumptive nominee going after somebody in as powerful as a position as the speaker? >> not that i can recall. i just think that -- i just think it was a mistake. and, you know, you could argue, i was talking to some republicans yesterday who said, you know, ryan probably should have waited until after the meeting before laying down those lines, but he wanted to see whether donald trump would step back from the muslim ban or some of the other positions that he'd taken. he is seriously troubled, i'm told, but some other things that he's said. and, you know, paul ryan is a traditional fiscal conservative. he is a reagan republican. and nothing that donald trump has said explains what he would do about budget deficits. and what he said on friday on cnbc is really extraordinary and should get more information. >> we're going to get to that.
where he said, the united states of america isn't going to make good on its debt if it doesn't want to. >> is he suggesting that we should become greece? >> i don't know what he does, but we as americans pay our debt, that's why we continue to be the safe haven for investment across the globe -- >> the country does. >> -- for a century. our country does, exactly. gene robinson, isn't this the time donald trump is supposed to be bringing his party together. the trump people say, don't worry, least going to be more rational and reasonable the second he's won the primary and everything's going to be -- no, it's just the opposite. he's going after paul ryan and getting everybody to boo paul ryan. >> that's right, you said the phrase, his party. donald trump, i believe, thinks this is his party now. he won, he beat them all. he didn't support him and he beat them all. so why should she go hat in hand to paul ryan. now, you mentioned the reason. if he were to become president and he were to want to pass a
piece of legislation, he would be the speaker of the house. and that would be a problem. however, i do understand, you know, trump's position. what's he going to do now? take it all back? say, oh, actually, i'm just a conventional republican? i think he believes that when we're for him and so he's just going to, you know, we've got to do this my way is his view. >> all right, then there's this, with his primary opponents out of the way, donald trump is focusing his attention on his likely general election opponent, hillary clinton. and while he hit her on the issues, which we're going to show you in a moment, he also raised eyebrows for personal attacks. he did that right away. trump cited a report from last month that a super pac supporting clinton is going to begin a $90 million ad campaign against him. trump said that the ads were largely focusing on him and women. so he made this connection over the weekend. >> hillary clinton just ordered
$90 million worth of hit ads on donald trump. and it's hit ads on donald trump and women! in the history of politics, hillary clinton's husband abused women more than any man that we know of, in the history of politics, right? have you ever read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? do you remember the famous "i did not have sex with that woman," and then a couple of months later, "i'm guilty." he was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman. and she's going to take ads about little donald trump? i don't know. i don't think so. she's playing the woman's card so much and so loud, she's gonna get hit for it, because it's not appropriate. she was an unbelievably nasty, mean, enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. so put that in her on the and let's see what happens, okay?
if she didn't play the women's card, she would have no answer. i mean, zero of winning. she's playing the women's card. she's going, did you hear that donald trump raised his voice while speaking the to a woman? oh, i'm sorry! i'm sorry. i mean, all of the men, we're petrified to speak to women anymore. we may raise our voice. you know what? the women get it better than we do, folks, all right? they get it better than we do. if she didn't play that card, she has nothing. >> so mika, it begins. >> it begins. hillary clinton's campaign responded yesterday in a statement, saying, quote, in a week in which donald trump casually suggested destabilizing the entire u.s. economy and cited his attendance at a miss universe pageant in russia as proof of his foreign policy experience, of course he will try to change the subject. hillary clinton doesn't care what he says about her. she will continue to call him out for his outrageous positions
and divisive comments. >> i like the irony there of accusing donald trump of trying to change the subject, when you know what that statement's trying to do? >> change the subject. >> change the subject. >> i think the clinton campaign is being pretty brilliant here in a guttural way. get all of this out, go after him, let him start spewing all this stuff right now, get it over with. because it's gonna happen. no way to avoid it. so let's go. >> he's going to do it nonstop. >> what was roger stone's quote. that, everybody's going to know. they're going to do this. >> at some point it will look like bullying. >> it is the second week in a may. >> the second week in may. >> it's going to be like following the bataan death march, this campaign. it's going to take us right down, right to the bottom. >> you know, andrea, i've got to believe that paul manafort understands, as we were saying on thursday or friday, donald trump doesn't have long. he has a very short, small
window to turn things around with his panghispanics, to turn things around with women, he's on the wrong side of history with demographics, yet it looks like he's going back to his playbook from the early republican primary instead of being positive and trying to reach out to hispanics, to women. nothing that he did this weekend does anything but harden battle lines anymore and drive his negatives and possibly hillary clinton's negatives up even more. >> no, absolutely. he's playing to white male voters, but there just aren't enough white men out there in the general election universe to win this election, unless everybody and every minority voter stays home. and she, today, hillary clinton, we're going out to cover her out in loudoun county. she's going toward an area where there are a lot of republican
and independent women. she's going after the suburban women. many of them republicans. and you've got them in bedroom communities around every big city and all across this country. and that's whom she's countying on. >> yeah. >> and it's not necessarily going to be an easy lift, because she's got a long history and he is demonizing her and bringing all this other stuff up. >> andrea and jean, those comments he was making, you think those are appealing to white male voters? need to wake up my daughter. because i think that's actually, potentially, a message younger women can connect with. >> that is one point, but when he says, you men, women get it all, and you men are the ones wlor taking the backseats, and i mean, that's part of what he was saying, in the spokane appearance. saying that men are disadvantaged. >> let's talk about the issues. >> yes, donald trump took on policy positions with a new broadside on guns, while clinton hit trump for his foreign policy
rhetoric and questioned his understanding of the economy. >> hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. she wants to abolish it. okay? hillary clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the second amendment. she wants to take the bullets away. she wants to take it. you tell me that's something we can live with. we're going to cherish the second amendment. we're going to take care of the second amendment. >> i don't see donald trump having any kind of coherent foreign policy or theory of national security. he kind of makes statements that i find concerning, whether it's about nuclear weapons or torture or anything else. so i think the burden is really on him to try to make a case why, when you've had 70 years of american policy under both republicans and democrats, trying to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons, he is so cavalier, even
reckless and dangerous. >> on foreign policy, hillary is trigger happy. she is, she's trigger happy. she's got a bad temperament. by the way -- and her husband learned that a few times, didn't he? but she's trigger happy. you look what she's done, and i just wrote this down. iraq, libya, she wrote it, let's go into iraq. >> i'm not going to run an ugly race. i am going to run a race based on issues and what my agenda is for the american people. i don't really feel like i'm running against donald trump. i feel like i'm running for my vision of what our country can be. >> wow, what a contrast. >> well-done on her part. >> what a contrast. mark halperin, if you're hillary clinton's camp, you can't hope for a better contrast than those clips of donald trump all weekend shouting, again, like he's running against ben carson in south carolina in august! >> it's -- >> like, is there nobody around
donald trump who can say, hey, donald! the primary is over. white male voters voted for you. >> you're supposed to pivot and make my head spin. >> are you going to win the general election or keep talking like it's august of 2015? who is around this guy that can tell him that? >> those clips are what mike suggested, we're in a different phase now. the clinton campaign is locked and loaded, they know what they want to do week to week, month to month. >> but donald's not in a different phase. >> no. he changed his positions on minimum wage and taxes, but even that -- >> i do like that. >> even that was executed in kind of a sloppy away. this guy and his team have a to-do with 10,001 elements on it, and they're doing nothing. >> it's like they've got all this political nuclear waste out there. this is the time they're supposed to be cleaning it up. he's going out there and
creating more waste. they're supposed to go to the chernobyl of capitol hill and pick a fight with the speaker of the house and spin this buyer week, weekend, talking about bill clinton's affairs in the 1990s. instead of actually doing cleanup operations, being quiet, showi showing you have a steady hand. starting to plan on winning the general election. >> if trump loses or gets blown out, the next three weeks or so will be looked at as history where they didn't react to the fact they have 10,001 things to do, and they're not doing them nearly fast enough, because they're creating new problems for themselves, instead of solving all the many problems they need to solve. >> this is exactly what i said after iowa. he was freaking out after iowa. i said, if he didn't focus on new hampshire that was in front of him, he was going to lose it and lose everything. he turned it around. but right now, he's wildly out of control, and i wonder if he thought, hey, everybody -- this
is a mistake every politician makes. barack obama made it. every president that walks in that people didn't think was going to win. well, everybody was against me from the beginning and everybody said i couldn't win from the beginning, so now i'm not going to listen to anything anybody says because i'm powerful and mighty, i'm smarter than everybody else in the world. and he's going around and just doing the stupidest things if he wants to win the general election. >> to joe's point, what we've seen for the past several months is an intersquad scrimmage compared to playing in the world series. hillary clinton is playing in the world series world series, donald trump is not. but to joe's point, who around donald trump is advising him that he would listen to or is it still all donald, all the time. >> his kids and paul manafort. he'll listen to them. >> look what we had this weekend. are they suggesting that, hey -- >> there's just too much for them to do. >> by the way, his kids and paul manafo
manafort, i mean, i haven't talked to them this weekend, but i don't think they wanted him to do that this weekend. >> i think they were probably 3,000 miles away from where he was. >> this guy was on his own this weekend. >> they could be losing the election right now. >> if he doesn't -- >> they are. >> -- his "you know what" together over the next three weeks, he'll lose the election and he won't be able to turn it around. this is something, by the way, gene rob yinson, we said last week, and before he started to do all this stuff, he has a very short window to turn the ship around or all will be lost. ever seen the robert redford movie "all is lost," he's going to be writing that note and throwing it out into the water pretty soon. >> well, you know, that's entirely possible, joe. look, he managed also this week, and andrea mentioned that to say what -- it's hard to use speller s
superlati superlatives. >> that the united states is not going to pay its debt. >> we'll just pay them a certain amount on the dollar. which is exactly, we want to be greece. the united states as the most reliable place to put your money. that's an essential truth about today's world. that has to be maintained or we, you know, or the country potentially goes down the tube. it's just ridiculous. it was an unbelievable thing to say. and, um, as far as i know, he hasn't taken it back or he hasn't corrected it. but you can just imagine the impact of that on a general election. >> to show you, mika, how ham-fisted his statement was on paul ryan this weekend. think about it this way. right now donald trump's trying to bring the party together. he needs endorsements from, it would be good for him to have endorsements in the party. but if you are now a member of the house of representatives, who is moving towards endorsing donald trump, if you were a chairman, chairperson, somebody that ever wanted to be a
chairperson, chairman, somebody that ever wanted to have power in the house of representatives, donald trump's just frozen you. because he's insulted your speaker. and you're not going to do blank for donald trump. i'll let people at home fill in the blanks for him. it was such a shortsighted, ham-fisted move. you know, donald can't get what donald wants the second donald wants it. it doesn't work that way. and because he didn't let it play out with paul ryan, now, nobody in the house is going to come out and support him. >> i still think that -- >> he's got to clean that up. >> -- that they can do it in the meeting and they plan to. >> and he's got one of his principle surrogates out there, palin, saying paul ryan is going to be cantered. that paul ryan will lose his -- >> that's really good. >> that's helpful. >> i would say lose the palin. just a little advice from someone who night know.
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do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy? >> i do. i do. including myself. i do. >> that was donald trump on the "today" show last month. the presumptive nominee continues to flesh out his policy positions. and is now facing questions over his shifting his stance on taxes and why he's no longer opposed to a raise of the minimum wage. >> minimum wage, all through the
primaries, you're against an increase, now you say you're looking at it. what's your bottom line -- >> i am looking at it and i haven't decided in terms of numbers, but i think people have to get more. >> that's a change from the primaries. >> sure it's a change, you need flexibility. >> which is it? are you willing to raise taxes on the 1% or not? >> let me explain how the world works. i come up with the biggest tax cut by far of anybody, any candidate. and i put it in. but that doesn't mean that's what we're going to get. i'm going to negotiate. i'm going to make sure the middle class gets good tax breaks. because they have been absolutely shunned. the other thing, i'm going to fight very hard for business. for the wealthy, it's going to go up. and you know what, it really should go up. >> should we assume that most of your plans, then, we shouldn't take you at your word that there are floors, that it's what you described. that, it's your opening statement, but everything is negotiable.
>> excuse me. excuse me. excuse me, chuck. it's a proposal. people can say it's a tax plan, but it's a tax proposal. because after i put it in, and i think you know the senate and congress -- >> sure, yeah. >> -- you know as much as anybody. they start working with you and start fighting and let's see what happens. >> it's interesting, i actually spoke to a group of republicans and newt kanan on friday night and they gave me the book "the art of the deal," because i said i hadn't read it yet. and i leafed through it. and i didn't read the chapter about negotiating against yourself as being a smart thing to do. but trump puts out this deal, and now he's negotiating against himself and he's changing it. and i don't understand. and he's talking about higher taxes. there are people in new york and connecticut and new jersey that are already paying 55% of their income to taxes and he's talk about raising taxes -- >> on the wealthy. >> on the wealthy. >> and the minimum wage going up. i know you like that, but,
that's completely different than what he said, andrea, the entire campaign. >> it is. i thought he had one way of framing it when he was on with chuck. when he said, well, i was listening and i was toout there and i realize now that $7.25 isn't enough. i think he can make that argument, as he makes it in and out, as we've been discussing, these next couple of weeks are really pivotal in working with the party and trying to unify the party and i think he can moderate some of these positions. but it's a little bit, more than a little bit disingenuous, but this is the time to do it if he's going to do it. that said, i think some of the other bigger issues, which he was doubling down on, as recently as last wednesday with lester holt, you know, the muslim ban, for instance, he's got to figure his way around those. >> he does. that's just a total dial back. let's also talk about another big one, as we mention, donald trump is also facing scrutiny for his recent comments suggesting that he might reduce
the national debt by persuading creditors to accept less than full payment. he made that statement to cnbc on thursday. here he is yesterday on abc. >> won't that undermine the full faith and credit of the -- >> no, if we can buy it at a discount, that's a great thing. we have to lower debt. we have $19 trillion in debt. it's going to be 21, because the budget was horrible. i'm a low interest rate person. if you have inflation, we'll have to change that theory, because you're going to have to stop things and slow things down. but right now we have low interest rates. we have to rebuild the whole infrastructure of our country. >> you try to debt back at this, interest rates are going to go up. >> no, you can buy debt back, you can buy debt back and take advantage of certain things. do you know china right now as $1.8 trillion of our debt? okay? $1.8. and they're cheating us. and they're friends of mine. >> they're not going to sell to you at a discount. >> you never know. you never know. all of a sudden you can sell at a discount. you never know that. and at some point maybe they
want to get out. maybe they need their money. >> he said he would renegotiate the national debt. maybe he just doesn't understand that running our government is not the same as making real estate deals. that putting the full faith and credit of the united states of america at risk would be a horrible outcome and it would raise interest rates, it would wipe away savings, it would cause a financial global meltdown. >> what are we, mike, arrangena? greece? that's a baffling suggestion. >> after he said that, toward the end of last week, i spoke with a guy who was a fairly significant player on wall street. and here's the quote, about donald trump, in reference to what donald trump said, "he can't be that ignorant, can he?" >> you mean about defaulting on the debt? >> yeah. yeah. but he also said, with george stephanopoul stephanopoulos, yesterday, kind of interesting, about all of these proposals he's throwing out there, it's a concept.
i think people probably get the concept aspect when he talks about negotiating a tax plan with congress. but what does he do about the muslim ban or the wall? those are a little bit more than concepts. will he walk back on those two? >> well, there's nose concepts to deal with, now that we're facing the general. but these things that have come up. and i'll point to something you said casually on the phone yesterday, we were trying to figure this out. it's almost like he's trying to sabotage this. gene, does he really want this? does he want to win the election? >> it's as if he's trying to kill. >> no, he wants to win the election. >> are you sure? are you sure? >> well, how can i be sure? >> i'm not sure. >> i believe he wants to win the election. i believe he wants to win the election his way. i believe he thinks, and this is delusional in my view, was he thinks that he has brilliantly
strategized his way to this point. so essentially a hostile takeover of the republican party. >> well, he has. and he's going to keep going forward, his way, which involves zig zagging on positions and saying outrageous things and sticking to the muslim ban, and sticking to the wall and, you know, all these, frankly, crazy things. i mean, what he said about the debt is just absolutely insane! >> i think -- >> but, i think he believes -- i think he wants to win, and i think he's counting on the country just willing to take a flyer and say we need something different. >> here's a sports analogy to simplify. it's like a guy who's a really good runner and he wins the running part of it. and then everybody jumps on bikes. and he goes, you know what, i'm such a good runner, i'm just going to keep running while everybody else is jumping on bikes.
and he doesn't realize that we're in a different phase of the race. >> look, trump was genius at understanding the republican electorate. yeah, genius -- >> and as we've said all along, it's complete different. >> with all respect to gene who calls his positions on tempering the muslim ban and the wall crazy or whatever, they are very popular positions with the republican electorate. >> not in the general. >> not in the general. trump is banking on being himself and that the country wants change and not more of the same. >> it almost doesn't matter what he says. >> but it's 62% of americans is an old poll. 62 or 63% of americans are against the muslim ban, right? he's in a different part of the race. hymn running instead of getting on the bike. >> appeal to a whole different group of voters. a much different group. >> but he's not doing that. he's not doing that. he's still in his august mode. i've got to take down ben carson. >> but he's banking on the country basically saying, things
are bad, we need someone who represents change. >> but here's where irony confronts the trump campaign or the trump campaign confronts irony. why is he, today, where he is? it's because he brilliantly, brilliantly branding all of his opponents. lyin' ted. low-energy bush. >> and brand eed his presidency. >> little marco. and now in the space of a little few days, he has defined himself in front of the country now, the definition that he has carved out for himself, it depended on your point of view, could be fatal. >> yeah. i think -- >> he's -- i will say what i said last week. >> maybe he didn't mean it. >> donald trump family members and campaign gurus. you've got three to four weeks to turn this battleship around. every day you waste makes it worse and harder. and the turnaround is more difficult and every day that your candidate goes out
insulting speakers of the house and powerful people on the republican side, it becomes even harder. >> but maybe that's what they want. coming up, maureen dowd imagines thursday's meeting between donald trump and paul ryan. we'll be back with much more "morning joe" in just a second. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than yone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you ♪ ♪
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>> that didn't take long. >> we got a donald tweet. >> we were just about to report on a tweet war when we found ourself caught in the middle, sort of. >> what's the tweet? what's the donald tweet? >> oh, i've got to call it up here. >> go ahead. >> donald trump tweet. donald trump just tweeted a minute ago, "wow, i hear @morningjoe has gone really hostile ever since i said i won't do or watch the show anymore. they misrepresent my positions!" >> what have we went wrong about? >> when did he say he wasn't going to watch the show? i must have missed that one. >> maybe privately. >> maybe he said it to himself. >> i bet he watches. it's a good show. >> you know what, he watches. he watches. >> say hi to him. >> how you doing, donald? it's very funny when you say you don't watch the show. keep it up. it makes us feel good that you
tweet about us. you have like 8 million followers or 20 million. >> 8 million on twitter. >> i don't want know. but i can tell you, if you add in armed forces radio, right now 221 million people watching "morning joe" right now. it's very impressive. so, anyway. >> he -- i'll tell you this. i'll tell you this. the only way a republican can win for president, i believe, is if the press favors them in coverage and he had a chance to have better press coverage than hillary clinton. he's missing that chance. he's alienating a lot of people. >> well, i don't think we're that important. >> i think he can make a strong case for the fact that donald trump has marginalized the media like no other candidate has. >> he has, but i think you still need the general drift of things to be in your favori. you just do. the press is really powerful. >> look at obama. >> look at bush, though. >> he's still at a time he needs to grow and get ready to move into the general election, he is
just picking petty fights with people he shouldn't with fighting. which, by the way, hurts him more than it hurts us. >> i had this twitter war with elizabeth warren, we found ourself caught in the middle. >> he's in the middle of another war. >> did another one just happen? >> no, that's with elizabeth warren. >> we'll get that next. we'll be right back. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. when it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. we're building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer.
♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? joining us now, the host of msnbc's "politics nation," and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. >> what have you seen in the campaign, the way it's developing right now? i think the challenge is now that we're on the big stage, it's clearly trump against clinton, can donald trump perform on the big stage? >> how's he doing right now? >> i think he's done -- certainly, i disagree with his politics. he's done a masterful job to get himself to the stage, but can he perform? if you get into this whole
personal stuff about bill clinton, if you get into twitter wars with people on the media, i mean, you're playing the margins. he needs to sell america on -- >> it's got to be big. >> he is the change they claim they wanted. and to be dancing about with 20-year-old sex scandals and fighting with tv hosts is really not addressing what he claimed he was running for. >> and not only that, i mean, over the weekend, he had one twitter war after another. he went after paul ryan. had one with -- >> didn't he have one with you? >> i don't know. i forget, now. oh, yeah, elizabeth warren. >> i'm sorry. >> we've got that here. >> i saw "captain america: civil war." it was far more significant than his tweets. >> let's show you a twitter war that might be worth talking about that. war of words between donald trump and senator elizabeth warren, playing out on twitter after trump won the indiana
primary last tuesday, warren tweeted, i'm going to fight my heart out to make sure donald trump's toxic stew of hatred and insecurity never reaches the white house. warren also said, trump's campaign was built on, quote, racism, sexism, and xenophobia and that, quote, there's more enthusiasm for trump among the leaders of the kkk than leaders of the political party he now controls. on friday, trump responded, tweeting out, i hope corrupt hillary clinton chooses goofy elizabeth warren as her running mate. i will defeat them both. he then continued hitting warren on the controversy over her native american ancestry, tweeting out, let's properly check goofy elizabeth warren's records to see if she is native american. i say she's a fraud. warren responded by tweeting, i called out donald trump on tuesday. 45 million saw it. he's so confident about his counter punch, he waited until
friday night. lame. he also took on his nickname, writing, "goofy," donald trump, for a guy with the best words -- >> okay, what's she doing engaging in this? i mean, listen, yes, donald, so it's donald's fault. donald's to blame. but what is she -- >> he started it! >> but -- >> or, wait a minute. >> no, i think she did it. >> the larger issue, al sharpton just got to it. if you're going to a high school graduation for your son or daughter in two or three weeks and wondering where they're going to college, these tweets are meaningless. >> what happens when your kids come in and say, these are the people that want to run the free world. >> maybe we don't cover tweets anymore. >> and we talk about social media and bullying on social media. >> you're absolutely right. so if you have one of the top democratic senators and the
presumptive republican nominee going back and forth and back and forth all weekend with mean tweets, what do you say to your kids? >> bullying tweets. >> your 14-year-old daughter when she comes and says, what's happening? >> well, all the people that are worried about the wages in terms of them not earning they want to earn, these are the reasons you tell people you want change, not because you get in these kind of spats. and i think that's where he's going to miss the mark, if he keeps doing this, because you've got to remember why people were generating towards you in the first place. >> he's not supposed to make washington worse. >> that's right. >> and in the back and forth with elizabeth warren, he looks that's why -- >> i don't know what your attitude is. i always had the attitude in politics and public work, i could take -- i could have one fight at a time. just one fight, if i had to have a fight, i would have that fight, engage, and if other people blindsided me and said nasty things, i said, you know
what, people can only take -- i don't want to look like i'm fighting the world, i'm going to take this one person on and move on. here we are going into the general election, he is picking fights with everybody now, and it's just. >> you can't swing at every pitch. you've got to choose your fights and the ones that take you where you want to go. >> and this is the point in the campaign, he's supposed to be expanding out. he's supposed to be reaching out. he's supposed to be growing. he's supposed to be making that massive pivot that he told mika he was going to make to the center to become more likable. all he's doing is fighting paul ryan. fighting elizabeth warren >> fighting everybody. >> and it's playing right into her hands. >> she's going to talk about policy and about things like the cost of college and he's going to be talking about petty fights. the clinton campaign, since this became a presumptive fight, nomination, general election fight between the two of them, almost everything trump has done has played into hillary
clinton's hands. almost everything >> andrea, what do you think? >> well, i just think that his attacks over the weekend on bill clinton, the sex scandals, impeachment, hillary clinton as an alleged enabler, all of that is so powerful and such a huge rallying cry for his supporters, it's rallying his base. but, boy, this has the potential to backfire big-time if she is focusing on economic issues and doing it today with suburban women. many of them republican in barbara comstack's district. the contrast is about a as zark stark as you can get it. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you so much. >> no, no, you got to go? >> coming up, how donald trump
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the tangerine tornado, donald j. trump. something tells me you're not a big church goer. >> oh, i'm a big church goer. i'm there all the time. sometimes i go even when it's not church day. >> wow, what a well-put statement. does donny ever take a gander at the holy scripture? >> honestly, i love all the books in the bible, they're all terrific. corinthians, part 2. book of revelation. 2 genesis, 2 furious. which says, and i quote, love thy neighbor as thyself, and like a good neighbor, state farm is there. >> oh, my gosh. welcome back to "morning joe." it's monday, the start of a new week. we have a clean slate here, right? it's kind of nice, right? i thought last week was kind of rough, but that might just be me. with us, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnacle, harold ford jr., host of msnbc's
"politics nation" and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. and on capitol hill, political reporter for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, robert costa and senior political columnist for the "national journal" and author of the book "love that boy," which you have to get, ron fournier. good to have you all on board this hour. so the rift, joe is on the phone, by the way, with a secret contact. the rift between the presumptive nominee for president and the republican speaker of the house seems to grow deeper by the day. donald trump and paul ryan are set to meet this week, a meeting that comes after ryan said he's not ready to support trump. and at an event after event over the weekend, trump said ryan's comments came as a surprise. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know. and he, the other day, just in a big surprise. i didn't get paul ryan, i don't know what happened.
i don't know. i don't know what happened. and, you know, he called me three weeks ago. we couldn't have had a nicer conversation. thank you very much, donald, it's great and we'll, you know, work together. well, everything's fine. and then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. i've gotten tremendous endorsements. i didn't get it from ryan, though. t can you imagine? paul ryan. that's a hard one. i was very surprised and very disappointed, because, you know, you should be -- we've got to be cheerleaders for the republican party. we don't have to play cute. >> it's politics. i'm never stunned by anything that happens in politics. so, yeah, i was blindsided a little bit. because he spoke to me three weeks ago and it was a very nice call, a very encouraging call. i have a nice relationship with him, and then all of a sudden he gets on and does this number. so i'm not exactly sure what he has in mind. >> hey, robert costa, you also have donald trump refusing to rule out blocking paul ryan from becoming the convention
chairman, which is about as smart of a move as, you know, me going in and -- what would be a stupid stock to buy right now, harold? >> i can't say those things. >> you can't say that on the air? let me just say, it's a pretty stupid thing to do. >> we got it! >> but go ahead, what's happening in this back and forth? >> joe, you've written a lot about this in one of your books. what you're seeing in this divide and the divide that goes back 60 years, with william f. buckley and barry goldwater in the '50s and '60s. we saw this movement of conservatism take ahold of the republican party. i think the republican party became intertwined with that movement of conservatism really for the past 60 years. now we're seeing that unraveling. trump identifies as a republican, but not so much as a movement conservative. and paul ryan, the house speaker, he wants to see that movement of conservatism still be at the fore of the gop. >> and ron fournier, al sharpton said it perfectly. trump's done very well winning the republican primary, winning
on that smaller stage. he's now on the big stage now. is he going to be able to raise his game? and so far this week, it's been a miserable failure. he's picked one fight after another and is now fighting the third-ranking official in the united states government, who happens to be the highest ranking republican. >> yeah, first of all win noticed that donald just tweeted that he doesn't watch "morning joe" anymore, so i want to say, hey, donald, i know you're really watching. >> exactly, he's watching. >> he can't pivot to the middle. the whole concept you can run one way in a primary election and another in a general is a gateway. the american public knows, they can see through the bs now. they have their own access to media, they can form their own opinions. they really are intensely watching this campaign. so whether you like it or not as a republican, joe, you're stuck with the idea that your nominee is a guy who wants to ban muslims, who has said sexist
things about women, who has said bigged things about hispanics. who wants to build a wall. you can talk all you want about how to pivot to the middle. your party's now stuck with him. >> the thing is, though, i think paul ryan, soon after i said i wasn't ready to support the guy until he actually backed off the muslim ban, three or four hours later, paul ryan said the same thing. and herold ford, i mean -- >> have been if he backs off, what good does that do, joe? you can't back off that statement. he now owns it. >> he would have to -- he backed off the minimum wage deal. if he -- >> but nobody's going to believe it. you can't back away from stuff like that now. you can't be a flip-flopper. you know, which position are you going to believe? the one he held three weeks ago or the one he claims to believe now. >> my gosh, if you want to do that, you have to go back to him supporting partial birth abortion. you've got to go back to him supporting an assault weapons ban. you have to go back to hum
supporting hillary clinton. there are a lot of issues to go back to. and we've said all along and i've said all along, the guy's more of a democrat than a republican. >> in fairness to ron's point, we have a history of people doing this. >> sure! >> i'm 45 and will be 46 this week. but reagan picked busch, kennedy picked johnson, it was not a great relationship there from the outset. kerry picked edwards. they had their tension, but you have a history of this happening. the curious thing to me with donald trump, it seemed like everybody gave him a softball of a throw here in the beginning. but all he said to say, i understand people are still riled up about the primary. the language got a little tough and rough as they do in primaries and i'm looking forward to sitting down with republicans -- >> but paul's language. >> paul gave him that opportunity. >> and for him to come out and be -- that's where ron's point comes in, it underscores perhaps ron's point that the american
public is now not going to be able to look at trump and divorce him from some of the comments earlier in the campaign. that's when it becomes really -- >> but i think what you had addressed in the question, joe, is what i was responding to. is it's one thing to say, are you going to flip-flop on policy? which we all agree is a hard curve. it's another to look petty. i mean, now you're getting into petty back and forward with tv hosts and paul ryan, for what ryan didn't say. ryan took a big view that really looked like he was trying to narrow into how hays going to endorse him. >> exactly! >> but it's like, if you're not cheerleading me, i'm gonna attack you. so people, even your followers, have to start saying, wait a minute, is this guy big enough to be president. and hillary's playing big picture here. she's playing presidential. >> when paul ryan makes a statement that he makes, and it is very clear that he's saying, i'm not there now, but i'm going move in that direction. and i look forward to working with him and we have a meeting
set up next week, it is very clear he's going to get there. if donald trump thinks that -- if donald trump thinks that he can browbeat paul ryan, so it looks like he's intimidated paul ryan, he should raid the beginning of tip o'neil's book. >> yeah. when tip o'neil got pissed off because jimmy carter did not pay him the proper respect. and tip o'neil talked about having to watch inaugural activities from the top row of the balcony and tip never forgot it and he was never jimmy carter's ally even though they were in the same political party. >> so maureen dowd imagines how the meeting between trump and ryan will go. she writes, in part, this. "paul ryan and donald trump sit down at republican national committee headquarters on capitol hill to hash out a couple little things, like who's running the party and who's the actual republican. welcome to washington, donald, ryan says, shaking hands with
the presumptuous nominee. reince says, you're far more gracious in private than in public. thanks for not calling me lyin' ryan. i never use the same adjective twice, trump replies coolly. as you know, i do have killer instincts. that's how i knocked out a 16 losers. so let's try out a few names for kicks. pious paul, pompous paul, backstabbing lyin' paul? >> a lot of possibilities to choose from. >> i know that's not how it's going to go. we will be reporting the next morning that not that they have a deal, but that it went well and they're going to work together. blah blah blah. >> not so fast. bob costa. >> the differences go far deeper than something that can just be brokered over a meeting and a personality. this is a candidate, a
front-runner in donald trump, who on social security, as opposed to the direction ryan wants to go in, who on foreign policy is a noninterventionist. ryan is more of an internationalist. trump's open to renegotiating his tax plan. ryan's a strict supply-sider on economics. this is not just about temperament. this is about the future of the republican party on policy as well. >> and paul ryan has his sights set on the presidency in 2020. he's got people like paul singer around him, supporting him. other mitt romney people around him supporting him, getting ready for his 2020 run. they're not going to be thrilled if ryan jumps on board with a guy who says, i want to raise taxes, which donald trump did over the weekend. who's come out saying, we need higher minimum wage, despite what i said before. we need trade wars. i'm going to support protectionism. all as robert costa just said, all the things that paul ryan and his supporters oppose.
if ryan just quickly jumps into bed with him, that hurts ryan in 2020. >> i'm not convinced that trump needs it. if you're trump, you go in and get ryan to say, i'm now ready to endorse him. i don't think they need a long-term relationship here. they're looking for a good first date, maybe a second date. and move on. >> but you have donald saying he could strip ryan of his chairmansh chairmanship. >> i'm not here to give donald trump advice. if i were advising him -- >> he's watching, so go ahead. >> make sure the speaker is ahead of the convention and let's move on and get back to the message that -- and get back to talking about the things that got us going here in the campaign. again, he's not asking me what i think. >> robert costa, what's the potential for a massive platform fight in cleveland? >> there's definitely potential, but the republican national
committee members that set the platform, a lot of them are veteran activists, and trump himself has said publicly that he doesn't want to tinker too much with the actual platform, he's willing to work with the party. that could be something he offers. he doesn't want to touch it, unless it comes to an issue like trade or immigration that are really at the heart of his campaign. >> some more top republican names say they will stay on the bench for coming general election, while others are adding their voice of o support for donald trump. congressman lynn west moreland says, quote, i honestly don't understand what paul's thinking, i don't get it. i try not to give advice to the speaker, but i think it brought about in my opinion even more confusion to this thing. and dick cheney and bob dole both say they will support trump. bobby jindal said he will vote for trump, quote, warts and all, adding, i think recollecting donald trump would be the second worst thing we could do this november. better only than electing
hillary clinton. senator pat toomey was more circumspect, writing, quote, like many pennsylvanians, i'm not pleased with the two choices we have. as a republican elected official, i am inclined to support the nominee of my party. that said, trump is different from previous nominees. there could come a point at which the differences are so great as to be irreconcilable. i hope that doesn't happen. >> that is a tough position to be in. but the thing is, if you're on the ballot, you've got the choice of offending swing voters or offending your base. because in pennsylvania, pennsylvania is the -- the center soft pendell is ground zero for trump support. if you're pat toomey, you have a choice to make. >> you've got philadelphia and pittsburgh and alabama in the middle. >> yeah. >> you have john mccain with a problem. i mean, john mccain has said privately how this is going to be the race of his life in
arizona. and i think trump needs to be concentrating on those things, rather than getting inside fights. because he's got to get these guys, really o bring out his vote and what he's done successfully over the weekend, everybody has stopped talking about the fight with hillary clinton and bernie sanders and now they're dealing with his little fights that he's instigated. a wise young man once told me when i was younger, he says, if you see somebody standing going over the cliff, back up. don't turn what would be a suicide into what looks like a homicide. he should step back and let the democrats keep fighting. but what he's done is make himself in these little fights like ryan and everybody the story. >> robert costa, you report offered the weekend about some conservative leaders stepping back from the gop now that donald trump is the presumptive nominee. and you write in part this, the extraordinary resistance of many figures on the right this past week to trump has not been
prompted merely by objections to his temper skpmt fears about his electability in november, at the core has been a calculation by self-identified movement conservatives that they would rather preserve their entrenched ideological project then promote a nominee that they believe would violate their creed and ethos. it's a crisis, says al cardinist, a former member of the american conservative union, who is withholding support for trump. a movement can survive the loss of an election cycle, but it can't survive the loss of its purpose. that's what we're battling here. what does that open the door for? >> if you're a self-identified conservative, someone who associates yourself with the movement that's grown over the past few decades, this is a crisis. and that's been a based on our reporting, my colleague, phil rucker and i, really sense a lot of conservatives willing to leave the republican party, to burn their registration card, to sign up as an independent.
some of them say they'll sit out and come back. others say they'll never come back because of donald trump, but there is another group that says conservatives have to be paying attention to the trump movement. someone even like william jay bennett. he says the gop has to do a better job in its leadership class of welcoming these new voters and understanding this populist insurgency. >> so ron fournier, we begin with donald trump fighting a 12-front war. hillary clinton keeping her head down. >> talking policy. >> and talking policy. donald trump flip-flopping on several issues. do you -- mark halperin and i were talking about how he has three to four weeks to turn this thing around. you say you don't think he can do it? >> i say he can't do it by so-called pivoting to the middle and changing positions and becoming something he's not. he is who he is and it got him this far and his only hope is to
somehow change the electorate in such a dramatic way with his current policies. you can't be something you're not nowadays. you just can't. >> so do you think he can find enough voters to beat hillary clinton? >> it's impossible. impossible under the current map, the current electorate. he would have to really shake things up in a way that i can't see, but i didn't see the nomination coming originally. i do know, there are a lot of voters out there, a lot of americans out there who haven't voted. maybe he can draw them out. maybe the democratic base doesn't come out. it's hard to see. the bigger store here is two numbers. 65 and 55. that's the disapproval rating of donald trump, 55%, and 65% for hillary clinton. this is the best our two parties were able to proos. >> i know we have to go to break, but if you've got one person with 65% disapproval rating and another -- isn't now the time for an independent
third party run? if you've got two people that the majority of americans disagree with? >> it is, but it's too little. >> why is it too late? >> how do you get on the ballot? >> as an example, today is the deadline in texas, if you want to be on the ballot, you need almost 80,000 signatures. it's too late this cycle to win. but if the time is right to do it in the next couple of cycles, it should have been done this cycle. these parties both need to be blown up and rebuilt. at least one of them will go away in the next couple of cycles. my friend matthew dowd likes to say, it's like two dinosaurs. the meteor has struck much closer to the republican party, but it's going to hit both of them. >> reverend al sharpton. >> i tried to get the scarborough third party ticket. >> all that wall street money. >> do you need taxes? yeah. reverend al sharpton, thank you very much. >> let's do it, baby. >> robert costa, thank you. ron fournier, thank you, as
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the book's just fine. it has touched lives around the country in ways i didn't anticipate. i can't tell you how many medical authorities tell me, we've bought the book and are distributing it. the importance of communication was unanticipated and most gratifying, as well. >> wonderful. will congratulations on the book being out in paperback. >> one of the things with reference to cancer we don't speak enough about, not just here, but throughout the media, is the advances, the nearly daily advances in combatting this disease. parade magazine references one case, lori alf's case, multiple myeloma. >> frank lolly had multiple myeloma diagnosed about a year before i did and he became a guide for me when i got it. i got in touch with him, and he's been interested as i have been in what's going on in what they call immunotherapy.
that's the new game and that's going to be the delivery, the golden age is about to come. and what they're doing is taking your own cells and reenergying them and reinserting them. in this case, taking white cells, re-engineering them and becoming cancer hunters. and she took her cells and wind them out. there was a woman down for the count. they said, we've got one more shot. we're going to give you a mega-dose of measles vaccination, 10,000 times the normal vaccination. she said, i'll take it, i'm going to die if i don't. she went in, hallucinated, got a terrible temperature. that was 6:00 at night, by noon the next day, the cancer was gone. and she's living a normal life. now, it's not pitch-perfect at this point. these are trials that are off the books, so to speak, that the patients are willing to do. >> how did it change you when you found out you had cancer? how did it change you? or did it?
>> of course it did. and it never goes away. that's the thing. you get up every morning and think, i've got cancer. i've got to deal with it today. i've had the last four or five days a really severe bronchitis condition. it lowered my resistance, this cancer did and i have to be on guard against infection. i was at home popping a lot of pills. i'm on chemo right now. i got up this morning and took 1,5 1,500 of revlamid and i will be doing that for the rest of my life. i'm constantly aware of what it's like to have cancer. and the last couple of years, i'm part of a club i didn't expect to join. i've recently had an admiral in the united states navy that i met on the "uss stennis," multiple myeloma now and he came to see me. the defensive ends coach for the dallas cowboys has multiple myeloma. we're in touch.
and then outside multiple myeloma, up with of the most traumatic experiences of my life was that i had a young friend, that was like a member of our family, our two families had been together in a lot of things, he was diagnosed with a severe form of gastric cancer and it made us even closer, because we understood each other about fatigue and the constant presence of cancer. and he was so heroic and so brave and so uncomplaining, and he didn't make it. at less than -- he was not yet 50. i'll never forget him. i'll never forget the lessons of him and what he brought to my life as we talked to each other about what it's like to go through this. and then you expand it to the cancer universe and there are two, i always say, two populations. those who have it, those who don't. those who don't have it can be sympathetic. can't be empathetic until you have it, until it comes into your family. then you really understand what's going on here. having said all of that, there's so much bravery out there and so
much extraordinary work that's being done on cancer, and it's part of the reality of our lives. >> what's the greatest lesson you've learned that you can try to convey to people that don't have it? >> well, two things. don't take anything for granted. i had the luckiest life of anybody you can imagine. i still do, in my judgment. the other thing is, you have to be very aggressive about being your own advocate when you get cancer. in my case, i had a wonderful daughter as an er physician. she asked the right questions. she would send stuff to me that we need to know about that and be on the phone calls with me. i now tell cancer patients, you must know a doctor who may not be a cancer specialist, but know the culture of medicine. get them on your team, ask them, what should i be asking? what are they talking about here? and i've heard back from a lot of cancer patients that that's been very helpful to me. >> the paperback edition of tom's book, "a lucky life interrupted is" is out tonight. tom brokaw, thank you very much for coming here.
>> thank you for being here. generally, we've been talking about what's been happening over the weekend with the election, donald trump seeming to be sw g swinging at just about everything that gets within his range. do you see in what happened over this weekend a man that's not able to make the move to the big stage? >> it's moperplexing to me. the big message from the country is, we want you to get along. republican or democrat, we want you to be able to talk to each other. get things done in washington. there's no question he'll get the nomination was he went out there and earned it, but it's not the vast majority of the american people who are for him both at the polls and in the polling places. and for him to just punch out paul ryan the way that he has, to have sarah palin to be saying paul ryan has no career now, that it's over for him. >> says someone with no career now. >> you know, it's just
astonishing to me when the big, big lesson is, find a way to get together and find common ground on getting things done. >> they will, in their meeting. this is all buildup. >> and in the course of the campaign, he's said some things that were just blatantly not true. he's never been held accountable for it, so many of them, and the things he's said. having said all of that. he did touch a big nerve out there and ran a campaign that no one at this table or in the political world expected him to do as well as he has. but all factors in life for about, how do you adjust to the reality of where you are next, how you're going to deal with the next phase of this. and we're now in the next phase. and if he keeps punching out the people in his own party in the way that he has, i don't see how that's going to help him. i just don't. >> he's going to ole miss this saturday to give the commencement address. you going down to ole miss this weekend? >> pardon me? >> i'm going to ole miss this
weekend. >> hottie totty, baby. what a great place to go. >> curtis wilke's going to translate. >> thank you, tom. coming up, president obama's commencement speech that had some senate republicans sche s cheering. we'll explain that, straight ahead. i was enjoying life, i was working... it was too long since my last pap. when i was finally tested, we thought i might have cervical cancer. after worrying - no cancer. i was lucky. women... please get a pap test to check for cervil cancer. and get the inside knowledge about gynecologic cancers. for you and the people who care about you.
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in his speech, he discussed voting rights and delivered a message that appeared to be aimed at activists, with black lives matter. >> this is the only advanced democracy on earth that goes, goes out of its way to make it difficult for people to vote. even if we dismantled every barrier to vote, that alone would not change the fact that america has some of the lowest voting rates in the free world. in 2012, nearly two in three african-americans turned out. and then in 2014, only two in five turned out. you don't think that made a difference in terms of the congress i've got to deal with? and then people are wondering, well, how come obama hasn't gotten this done. how come he didn't get that done. what would have happened if you have turned out at 50, 60, 70%, all across this country. people try to make this political thing really complicated. i'm like, well, what kinds of reforms do we need? and how do we need to do that?
you know what? just vote! there's been a trend around the country of trying to get colleges to disinvite speakers with different point of view. or disrupt a politician's rally. don't do that. no matter how ridiculous or offensive you might find the things that come out of their mouths, because as my grandmother used to tell me, every time a fool speaks, they are just advertising their own ignorance. let them talk. but listen. engage. if the other side has a point, learn from them. if they're wrong, rebut them, teach them, beat them on the battle field of ideas. >> good for him! good for him! >> mike bloomberg, too -- >> same thing -- >> i like it. >> i'm telling you, people that are not willing to listen to people who don't agree with them in speeches and interrupting, it's just -- >> to the point of disrupting.
>> yeah. i mean -- >> rude. >> it's not only rude, it just shows how shallow you are and how scared you are of your own argument. >> you're afraid. >> you're scared to let the other side get their message out in a speech. >> you need protected spaces. >> by the way, you look at people like lagarde, condi rice, and others who have been disinvited to universities. that is the shame of higher education. >> ray kelly at brown university. >> come on! >> that is the shame of higher education that they have kowtowed to people that are speech police, speech terrorists, not letting -- letting people on both sides of the aisle come, speak, and share their experiences with graduates. >> that's what it's supposed to be all about. >> it's one of the many great shames of higher education. >> i think it's a shame in politics we almost encourage this behavior. and the university is reacting, i think they can be stronger.
but media, politicians, everyone has to make a note, there's nothing wrong with hearing the other side. it strengthens your hard -- >> makes you better. >> it absolutely makes you better. >> republican senator chuck grassley tweeted that he watched the speech on tv and said, quote, even conservatives would applaud it, especially the parts on campus speech. >> yeah. up next, can america reach socialist goals through capitalist means? that's ahead when "morning joe" comes right back. wait forever to see it. (jon bon jovi) with directv, you don't. ♪ you see, we've got the power to turn back time. ♪ ♪ that show you missed, let's just go back and find. ♪ ♪ and let's go back and choose spicy instead of mild. ♪ ♪ and maybe reconsider having that second child. ♪ ♪ see, that's the power to turn back time. ♪ (vo) watch shows you forgot to record. call 1-800-directv.
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promise of america." in it, he writes in part, this. the republican establishment seeks to persuade voters of its essential niceness, but niceness has not closed the deal on measures of freedom provided by respected conservative and libertarian think tanks, the united states has fallen like a rock. once the country of promise, america now lags behind many of its first world rivals on measures of economic mobility and has spawned an aristocracy. >> the dream of america was, a kid can get back from world war ii, buy a small house out on long island, get married, have two or three kids. live comfortably in the middle class. mika and i were talking about it this weekend. there was even the dream in se, the 50s? 60s, of kids in pennsylvania saying, i'm not going to be in the steel mills like my dad. i'm going to get out of these steel mills and i'm going to go to college. the steel mills aren't even there anymore. the dream is collapsing. the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
how do we turn that around? >> everybody's kind of missed the point. i think it's a crucial message. we've become something of an aristocra aristocracy. the american dream was a dream where we all get ahead. we can all have a chance to get ahead. >> our kids did better than we did. >> pardon me? >> our kids did better than we did. >> that was the dream. and people don't believe it anymore. >> because it's not true. >> i think they're smarter than a lot of the intelligenceya, is what it is. they figured it out and it's absolutely crucial to turn it around. and i think in part, i think that was 2012. i think part of the appeal of donald trump is precisely the sense that people have that somehow he's going to make a difference in that respect. >> what are the answers? >> i say that the idea of mobility, even equality, you can call it socialist if you want,
but there are two ways back. one way back is roughly more of the same or dig if deeper, which is bernie sanders, and i call that socialist means to socialist ends. and i think the proper response is capitalist means to socialist ends. i think the way to do it is to realize that all of the barriers to mobility are barriers that have been erected by our bad schools. supposed to be an elevator to the middle class. the elevator is broken. and an immigration system that imports immobility. whatever you think about it, we are more immobile by virtue of our immigration policy. nobody else is like that. >> go deeper. what do you mean by that? >> yeah, that's interesting. >> what i mean is that the immigrants will earn less than native americans and the children of immigrants will earn less than the children of native americans and that goes on to the third generation. so we're importing immobility in that respect. >> and inequality. >> and inequality. and if you're one of america's
aristocrats, this is great, because you're bringing in maids and gardeners, but in other countries, they're looking at bringing people into the economy that make native americans, native canadians better off. my best example is canada takes in a greater number of economic migrants than the u.s. and by virtue of that, canada can afford to have a really nice, decent policy as to syrian refugees. and it's not an issue. it's 20% foreign born. a lot more foreign born people up there and it's not a political issue. and why? because they're looking at native canadians. >> should washington play a role in fixing our broken educational system, or just the states and local? >> mostly states and local. the budget of the department of education is something like $60 billion. i would give it back to the states. forget about washington telling
people what to do. give it to the states. and i don't like strings attached to things, but i have might have strings attached to states and give the money to states that provide for vouchers. >> talk about the politically connected enemies of promise. i like that. >> i'm from washington. i look across the hill and it's all there. and i've been active in the community in various ways. and i have a friend of mine who says we're moving towards something called corporate fascism. i don't believe that, but there's a smidgen of truth to make you think about that. i think what's happening. again, this is part of the appeal of trump, is there's something new in american politics. the old left/right distinctions seem to be fading. and what's replacing them is a virtue of corruption access. that's exactly what was going on in 1976. the brits were corrupt.
they were really corrupt at the time. and the patriots said, we can do better. assist little like 1776 in that respect. so that's something that the republicans should be picking up. >> the book is, "the way back." f.h. buckley, thank you very much for being on the show. straight ahead, against all odds. perhaps the most incredible championship in sports as lester city officially takes home the hardware. roger bennett is next. ♪ the intelligent, all-new audi a4 is here. ♪ ♪ ain't got time to make no apologies...♪
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olympic hockey has miracle on ice. joe namath's jets beating the colts in super bowl iii. what happened in the world of soccer will go down as one of the greatest upsets in sports history. with us is how leicester city won the epl. roger bennett, i've been trying to explain how massive this is. why don't you do it. >> english sports. economic might in the board room. off the field determines success. they buy success. there's no salary cap, no draft, no parody mechanism. for a tiny team with no history of success from a tiny town to rise up and not just win one game like the miracle on ice or march madness, but we have to take on david, goliath,
seabiscuit in cleats. coming together with incredible spirit and defying the odds. it's a modern miracle. you love miracles. >> walking on water. the parting of the red sea. >> that's exactly what we're seeing. they're playing a game nobody else does. they just want to counter attack like tcu. it's liberty university winning the football college and even andrea bocelli popped in. it's like being barry manilow sing "copacabana." on this day, miracle is a waking dream. >> talk about the payroll. compare it to man city, to chelsea. >> the gentleman that just
scored 24 goals this season. he was playing nonleague football, six divisions below. he was working in a plastics factory. he's the player of the year. a nasty piece of work. nobody can stop him. like stockton and malone. nobody can stop them. that's what leicester city have done. andy king making it 2-0. they've been drinking 24 hours a day for five days and they still dominated this game. they have the bare sweat of champions. this is a waking dream. seabiscuit in cleats. >> what a story. it's incredible. it's fun. >> is there anything like this in the history of sport? >> you talk about buster douglas. that was one fight. you talk about great shots in march madness. six great games. the thing here is to understand the economics off the field. tiny payrolls. this team a year ago were on the
brink of being kicked out. >> the teams that's traditionally do well, chelsea, man u., did they have bad seasons? >> there was an external reality. he's like jim harbaugh trapped. they all blinked at the same time. we'll never see that again. was this a fluke. there's so much money in the premier league. so much television. even the small teams have so much -- >> compare their money to man u.'s. compare their money. what's their payroll? >> about $58 million. >> that's one player. >> manchester, i nig eer united more in the last two years -- >> roger -- >> when you say roger like that. >> are you working on a movie? >> i am, 2:00. the leicester city. we'll play game by game by game. >> oh, that's going to be great. >> can we get a pirated advanced
copy. >> i will say, my movie is amazing because it's true. but hollywood currently has the leicester city movie in the works. claudio -- >> you'll get us a pirated -- >> of the documentary. >> i want to see the doc. >> are there any love scenes in there. >> in the movie? >> of course. my love for this leicester city story. it drips all over the movie. >> nudity. >> my nudity. occasionally i'll take my shirt off. >> roger, don't do that. >> first time winning a championship? >> claudio renieri. when he arrived at the beginning of the season, he was number one to be fired quickly. he's a marked loser. they've gone on benders. they're english. they can drink as much as they want. they've gone on benders to copenhagen dressed as the ninja turtles. that's fine. come back.
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now that trump has the nomination, he's going to become president. because people don't like to admit it in public but they secretly really like trump. everywhere i go i'm like, do you like trump? they're like, boo, no. then i'm like, are you going to vote for him? probably. a lot of people hate trump but a lot of people hate hillary, too. nobody is really happy with either of these choices. if you are in the mood for soup. but the only two options they have left are pumpkin corn chowder or hillary clinton. >> good morning, everyone. that's a quizzical joke. it's monday, may 9th. do you think we'll see the sun today? >> yesterday. holy cow. out of nowhere. beautiful. >> with us on set -- >> the matrix, the last one where they go above the clouds.
it's beautiful. >> legendary columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnacle. managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all do respect," mark halperin. what a remarkable show. obsessed with that show. not anybody in their right mind. >> went to see hamilton. hamilton, rickles. come on. it's not even a close call. >> i think id'd rather watch "with all do respect." >> and in washington, we have correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell with us. and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. great group. >> before we do the read, what's going on? what's going on out there? >> there's just a lot of battle lines being drawn, and i think
they are fake. i think this whole trump/ryan thing is so they can meet this week come together and blah, blah, blah. >> donald trump said said -- >> i'm getting tired. >> -- that he would consider stripping paul ryan's chairmanship of the republican national committee. >> do they have a meeting this week? >> to me, the week is encapsulated by the following. trump could lose the entire election in the next month if he doesn't get his act together. n we talked to a bunch of liberal democrats who say hillary can't win. the country is divided over this election and what the possible outcome is. >> why is donald trump attacking paul ryan when paul ryan said something last week that we all thought, at least i said, hey, trump said the right thing. ryan said the right thing. they come together. it's actually symbolic of something much bigger. then trump this weekend goes out
and hammers him even more. >> because he wants to go into the meeting in a position of strength. >> he doesn't have that much strength. >> donald trump -- >> i don't think donald trump can tolerate what ryan said. get in line. >> then he can't tolerate running for president. >> that's right. >> he should go back to reality tv if you can't handle that? >> the art of the deal -- ryan has said you're not good enough for me to endorse. >> that's not what he said. he said i'm not ready right now but i look forward to it. >> don't distort what paul ryan said. >> think that would normally happen? a guy -- >> this isn't a normal year. >> he's won more votes -- on track to win more votes than any previous republican nominee and the speaker of the house rather than doing what mitch mcconnell or anyone else has done says i'll wait and see. >> donald trump also has
offended more people in his party than any presumptive nominee. higher disapproval ratings than any cand sdat idate ever to run president of the united states. paul ryan saying i'm not ready right now, but i'm thinking about it. it was a very clear sign for anybody who is not stupid, for anybody that didn't just start practicing politics nine months ago, for anybody that has a brain -- >> okay, be nice. >> -- and knows how to read other politicians, it was a sign. i'm not here now pui'm going to meet you and we're going to meet in the middle. but i've got to say this. if he can't handle paul ryan in negotiations like this without blowing it up, what is he going to do when he starts negotiating with people across the world? if he can't handle this paul ryan negotiation any better than this. >> you reference the art of the deal with regard to donald trump. joe referenced the art of politics which is the art of governance. donald seems to come to the
table -- first of all, playing on a much bigger stage now than three weeks ago. a much bigger stage. he is the nominee for president of the united states by a major political party, the republican party. so now everything he says has to be measured against, you know, do you let someone take 10%, 20% when you're negotiating? you have to give the other person some sense you didn't entirely lose everything. paul ryan knows thou do that. donald trump apparently wants everything. >> the best i can tell, ryan didn't give trump a heads-up. how about that? >> you know, it doesn't matter. it is donald trump's party to bring together now. paul ryan, there's nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. i don't know if you are angling for an interview here or not but this is pretty straightforward. this is straightforward. paul ryan was moving in that direction. >> i'm just answering the question, why did trump do what he did. paul ryan announced this without
calling him. he's the nominee of the party and ryan says he wants to support him. call him. >> i will bet you something very nice that the meeting will end up well and this is just battle lines being drawn to step up the drama. >> i never bet on what i cover, but i don't think you're right. >> i would have predicted this last week. at event after event over the weekend, trump says ryan's comments came as a surprise. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. and he the other day just did a big -- i didn't get paul ryan. i don't know what happened. i don't know what happened. he called me three weeks ago. we couldn't have had a nicer conversation. thank you very much, donald. it's great. we'll work together. everything is fine. and then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. i've gotten tremendous endorsements. i didn't get it from ryan,
though, paul ryan. that's a hard one. >> he's making everyone boo him wherever he goes. >> here's a funny thing. paul ryan is going to be speaker of the house. you knew tip and people that run the house. good luck getting anything through the house of representatives. it's funny for donald. he can do that to ben carson and he can do that to mike huckabee. good luck doing that to the speaker of the house. >> trump also declined to rule out blocking ryan from becoming the convention chairman. and that call he's referring to, the speaker's office says that never hand and the last time the two spoke was march. >> we have some other guests. andrea mitchell, have you ever seen a nominee, a presumptive nominee going after somebody in as powerful a position as the speaker? >> not that i can recall.
i just think that -- i just think it was a mistake. and you could argue, i was talking to some republicans yesterday who said ryan probably should have waited until after the meeting before laying down those lines, but he wanted to see whether donald trump would step back from the muslim ban or some of the other positions he'd taken. he is seriously troubled i'm told by some of the things he said. and paul ryan is a traditional, fiscal conservative. he's a reagan republican. and nothing that donald trump has said explains what he would do about budget deficits and what he said on friday on cnbc is really extraordinary and probably should get more attention. >> we're going to get to that's. where he said the united states of america is not going to make good on its debt if it doesn't feel like it. >> we have a lot to get to. >> is he suggesting we become greece? is that -- >> it was stunning. i don't know what he does but we
as americans pay our debt and continue to be the safe haven for investment across the globe. >> the country does. >> exactly. >> jegene robinson, isn't this time trump is supposed to be bringing the party together. they were, don't worry, he's going to be more rational the second he wins the primary. it's the opposite. he's going after paul ryan, getting everybody to boo paul ryan. >> because you said the phrase. his party. donald trump, i believe, thinks this is his party now. he won. he beat them all. they didn't support him and he beat them all. why should he go hat in hand to paul ryan. now you mentioned the reason. if he were to become president, and he were to like want to pass a piece of legislation, he would need the speaker of the house and that would be a problem. however, i do understand, you know, trump's position.
what's he going to do now? take it all back. say oh, i'm just a conventional republican? i think he believes that wouldn't work for him and so he's just going to -- we've got to do this my way is his view. >> then there's this with his primary opponents out of the way, donald trump is focusing on his likely general election opponent hillary clinton. while he hit her on the issues, he also raised eyebrows for personal attacks. he did that right away. trump cited a report from last month that a superpac supporting clinton is going to begin a $90 million ad campaign against him. trump said the ads were largely focussing on him and women. so he made this connection over the weekend. >> hillary clinton just ordered $90 million worth of hit ads on donald trump and it's hit ads on donald trump and women. in the history of politics, hillary clinton's husband abused
women more than any man that we know of in the history of politics, right? have you ever read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? do you remember the famous, i did not have sex with that woman and then a couple of months later, i'm guilty. >> he was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman. and she's going to take ads about little donald trump. i don't know. i don't think so. she's playing the woman's card so much and so loud. she's going to get hit for it because it's not appropriate. she was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler, and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. so put that in her bonnet and let's see what happens, okay? if she didn't play the women's card, she'd have no charnnce, i mean zero, of winning.
did you hear that donald trump raised his voice while speaking to a woman? oh, i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i mean all of the men, we're petrified to speak to women anymore. the women get it better than we do, folks. they get it better than we do. if she didn't play that card, she has nothing. >> so mika, it begins. >> hillary clinton's campaign responded yesterday in a statement saying, quote, in a week in which donald trump casually suggested destabilizing the entire u.s. economy and cited his attendance at miss universe paggent in russia as proof of his foreign policy experience, of course he'll try and change the subject. hillary clinton doesn't care what he says about her. she will continue to call him out for his outrageous positions and divisive comments. >> i like the irony there of accusing donald trump of trying to change the subject. you know what that subject is trying to do? change the subject. >> i think the clinton campaign
is being pretty brilliant here in a guttural way. get all this out. go after him. let him start spewing all this stuff now. get it over with because it's going to happen. no way to avoid it. so let's go. >> he's going to do it nonstop. what was roger stone's quote that everybody is going to know. they're going to do this. >> at some point it will look like bullying. >> it's the second week in may. it's going to be like following the death march, this campaign. this is going to take us right down -- right to the bottom. >> andrea, i've got to believe that paul manafort understands, as we were saying on thursday or friday, donald trump doesn't have long. he has a very short, small window to turn things around with hispanics, with women, with the groups that right now he's just on the wrong side of history on with demographics.
and yet it looks like he's just going back to his playbook from the early republican primary instead of being positive and starting to reach out to hispanics. nothing that he did this weekend does anything but harden battle lines anymore and drive his negatives and possibly hillary clinton's negatives up even more. >> absolutely. he's playing to white male voters but there just aren't enough white men out there in the general election universe to win this election, unless everybody, every minority voter stays home. she today, hillary clinton, going out to cover her in loudoun county. an area where there are a lot of republican and independent women. she's going after the suburban women, many of them republicans. and you have them in bedroom communities around every big city and all across this country. that's whom she's counting on.
and it's not necessarily going to be an easy lift because she's got a long history and he is humanizing her and bringing all this other stuff up. >> those comments he was making. you think those are appealing to male white voters? because i think that's potentially a message younger women could connect with? >> that is one point. when he says you men, women get it all and you men are the ones taking the back seat, that's part of what he was saying in the spokane appearance. saying that men are disadvantaged. >> let's talk about the issues. >> yes, donald trump took on clinton's policy positions with a new broad side on guns. clinton hit trump for his foreign policy rhetoric and questioned his understanding of the economy. >> hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. she wants to abolish it.
hillary clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the second amendment. she wants to take the bullets away. you tell me that's something we can live with. we're going to cherish the second amendment. we're going to take care of the success amendment. >> i don't see donald trump having any coherent foreign policy. he kind of makes statements that i find concerning, whether it's about nuclear weapons or torture or anything else. so i think the burden is really on him to try to make a case why when you've had 70 years of american policy under both republicans and democrats trying to prevent the proliferation, nuclear weapons, he is so cavalier, even reckless and dangerous. >> on foreign policy, hillary clinton is trigger happy. she's got a bad temperament. by the way -- and her husband learned that a few times, didn't
he? but she's trigger happy. you look what she did. iraq, libya. she voted for iraq. let's go into iraq. >> i'm not going to run an ugly race. i'm going to run a race based on issues and what my agenda is for the american people. i don't really feel like i'm running against donald trump. i feel like i'm running for my vision of what our country can be. >> wow. what a contrast. >> well done on her part. >> what a contrast. mark halperin if you are hillary clinton's camp you can't hope for a better contrast of donald trump shouting all weekend like he's running against ben carson in south carolina in august. is there nobody around donald trump that can say, hey, donald, the primary is over. white male voters voted for you. >> supposed to pivot. >> are you going to keep talking
like it's august of 2015? who is around this guy that can tell him that? >> those clips are what mike suggested. we're in a different phase. the clinton campaign is locked and loaded. they know what they want to do week to week, month to month. >> you say we're in a difference phase. donald's exactly where donald was. >> he did some -- he changed his positions on minimum wage and taxes, but even that's executed in a sloppy way. this guy and his team have a to-do list of 10,001 elements on it and they're doing nothing. >> by the way, they get all this political nuclear waste out there. this is the time they're supposed to be cleaning it up. he's out there creating more waste. the chernobyl of capitol hill and pick a fight with the speaker of the house and spin this entire weekend talking about bill clinton's affairs in the 1990s instead of actually
doing cleanup operations. being quiet. showing you're a steady hand. starting to plan on winning the general election. >> if trump loses or gets blown out, the next three weeks or so will be looked at as history where they didn't react to the fact they had 10,001 things to do. they aren't doing them nearly fast enough because they're creating new problems. >> new problems, new wars. this is what i said after iowa. he was freaking out after iowa. if he didn't focus on new hampshire that was in front of him, he was going to lose it and lose everything. he turned it around. right now he's wildly out of control. i wonder if he thought, hey, everybody. this is a mistake every politician makes. barack obama made it. every president that walks in that people didn't think was going to win they thought, well, everybody was against me from the beginning and everybody said i couldn't win from the beginning. so now i'm not going to listen to anything anybody says because i'm powerful and mighty and
smarter than anybody else in the world. he's going around and doing the stupidest things if he wants to win the general election. >> to joe's point, we've seen for the past several months is an intersquad scrimmage. hillary clinton is now playing in the world series. donald trump is clearly not. to joe's point, who around donald trump is advising him that he would listen to, or is it still all donald, all the time? >> his kids and paul manafort. he'll listen to them. >> look what we had this weekend. are they suggesting that's great. that was a great weekend. >> too much for them to do. >> his kids and paul manafort. they didn't want him to do that this weekend. >> i think they were probably 3,000 miles away from where he was. >> this guy was on his own this weekend. >> they could be losing the election right now. >> if he doesn't get his you
know what together over the next three weeks, he's going to lose the election and he won't be able to turn it around. this is something gene robinson we said last week. he's got a very short window to turn the ship around or all will be lost. you ever see the robert redford movie "all is lost"? he's going to be writing that note and throwing it out into the water pretty soon. >> that's entirely possible, joe. look. he managed also this week, and andrea mentioned it, to say what -- it's hard to use a superlative. could be the most irresponsible thing said so far in this whole campaign which is what he said about the debt. >> that the u.s. is not going to repay its debt obligation. >> a certain amount on the dollar which is exactly, we want to be greece. the united states as the most reliable place to put your money. that's an essential truth about
today's world that has to be maintained or we -- or potentially goes down the tube. it's just ridiculous. an unbelievable thing to say. and as far as i know, he hasn't taken it back or hasn't corrected it. but you can just imagine the impact of that on a general election. still ahead -- uber and lyft are said to pull out of one of the most tech savvy markets in america. inside the million-dollar war that saw the cab competitors on the losing end. plus, hillary clinton is crushing the field when it comes to raising money from wall street. chris jansing joins us with new reporting on where the money is coming from and going this year. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be rooiight back. why do some cash back cards keep thring obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back.
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welcome back to "morning joe." dropping everything on the set. joe has food all over his sweater. joining us now, correspondent patrick healy and national correspondent for bloomberg business week, josh green. and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. the constant talk about the trump campaign just seemingly assembling over the last few
days and its impact on the republican party. >> it's significant. donald trump won all of these states and delegates. i was talking to him for a while on saturday. and the notion he has to bow down to paul ryan and to all of these other republicans who he sees as a total disconnect from the voters who supported him, and they are off in washington reading their, you know, conservative journals and getting their policy papers from think tanks and sitting in committee. it galls him. and the idea that somehow like right away, right after he sealed the nomination he's supposed to bow down and ask for their support. it's one of the many things that a process you have to go through. >> so galling. you know what you'd call that? politics. the morning after. the morning after my first race it was a dirty race. my opponent just killed me.
spent all of this money. the morning after i called her up. i didn't attack her but i called her up and said i shouldn't have won this. >> this guy is a dealmaker. he got the big prize. had to go through all this with these 16 other guys, slaying them left and right. now he's got to deal with paul ryan, i don't know. >> the day after when i've always politically at my strongest, that's when i start reaching out and i go -- you are smarter than me, better on the stump than me. >> so telling he's still going and doing these rallies. the pivot -- he said it's very important to go to spokane and talk to those people in spokane and use the material. but that's his comfort zone. >> his comfort zone, but -- >> he hasn't moved out. >> he needs to quietly be going behind the scenes, going in and asking people like paul ryan, what can i do for your support?
>> joe, you've been in that business for a long time. he's been in it for far less time. what patrick is saying gets to the human nature aspect of it directly with what you said an hour and a half ago. trump is anoticannoyed that pau never called him. >> it's going to be about human connection, and ryan feeling like trump can win. if people feel trump can win the general election and close the gap with hillary clinton, a lot of people will get on board because they'll feel political pressure to get the white house back. >> you have the front page piece in the times. the rift in the republican party grew deeper on sunday and threatened to upset the july convention as donald j. trump refused to rule out removing paul ryan as speaker of the house. as the convention's chairman, mr. trump's differences with those in the party who think they have earned more of a right
to set its political and ideological force. at a time when republicans would be trying to put the messy personal clashes of the primary behind them. these divisions have played out around the planning of the republican national convention. it's a telling reflection of the state of republican politics, an escalating spat over going to a party for a party that is coming undone. and jeremy peters, maybe it's good this is happening now because remember the last republican convention? that was a cluster on stage. maybe they need to have all their problems now so that perhaps when the convention actually takes place there's some organization. there isn't the empty chair, the clint eastwood situation and the droning speeches that really don't -- people don't connect with. >> i don't think anyone would claim a convention produced by donald trump and mark burnett
would be better. i'm excited about the prospect of it personally. but going back to what patrick said about donald trump's distaste for the way that he's been treated by the republican establishment. that's absolutely true. he's the winner. he's prevailed. the most delegates and more votes. you know who has more votes? every other republican candidate put together. more voted against him than voted for him. that's something he's failed to take into account and has not really made as joe said the effort to reach out and bring people into the tent at a time when the party needs that most. >> this is like patrick, donald trump continuing to shoot at his own side. like a general deciding his army is going to fight each other while they're moving towards the enemy. you have to unite and then strike out against your opponent.
>> he sees there being plenty of time for that. when is donald trump going to get the respect he's due. that's what he wants. he believes he has put down jeb bush, put down ted cruz, did all of thus. and that phase for him now he needs to go and do the politics. you're right about what you said. he looks at it and keeps saying he wants the convention to be exciting and like a big show. he doesn't want windbag after windbaggetting up there and talking, talking, talking. i'm the one who can win, from his point of view, in a michigan, in a pennsylvania, in a wisconsin. follow me. i have this sort of formula. and from his point of view, and i would throw it kind of open. his view is he won this by being him. he won this by being him and all these republicans said we're going to be above the fray. we're going to let donald be donald. >> that is the perfect segue to josh green who writes this in the latest issue of bloomberg
business week. to newt gingrich. trump represents an important discontinuity that could render obsolete many of the traditional party methods of winning elections. he'll define more of this than we republicans will, gingrich says. he's been so creative and does things so differently and he will be so dominant that we have to figure out how we build around him. this is not a collective where you sit down and have a planning team. this is one singular person who is the steve jobs of modern politics. and he is going to drive the system. amazing. okay. but there were some issues with steve jobs. >> well, there were. i'm not sure that's the greatest point of comparrson. the broader point is a correct one. this is the struggle we're seeing play out between paul ryan who wants donald trump to conform to the mold of a more typical republican nominee.
trump's contention that, no, i'm singular, i'm dominant. the party needs to bend itself to my will. that's the point newt was making. you'll probably not win that struggle with donald trump. until it gets settled one way or another you'll see the contra tempts between ryan and trump. >> jobs had been in the tech sector for decades when he took over apple the last time. donald trump, josh, has been in politics for nine months. and you never know which way, you know -- you'd never know where he's going to go tomorrow. he changes positions every day. >> he sees that as such an advantage. the art of surprise. not knowing -- the idea is if he went up to capitol hill and paul ryan put the robotic republican, you know, widgets in his head and that's how he was expressing, that's not how he's going to beat hillary clinton. she is the system personified.
she is calm, cool, rational. and from his point of view, that's smart from her end, but from his end the way he gets advantage is by just surprising and getting in her head. >> but, josh, you can't ask people to follow you if they don't know where yoou're going o go. that's him being the singular representation of the republican party. five years ago giving money to hillary clinton. not so long ago supported partial birth abortion. not so long ago wildly to the left of most republicans. so he does have the responsibility to go in and provide some comfort and say, i know i've been all over the map. this is where i'm going to be if i'm president of the united states. i need your help. >> well, that's true. and newt goes on to say in the piece that he doesn't think that even trump knows how he's going to run a general election. that's one of the things that makes it so exciting and so
infuriating if you are a republican party official looking for some kind of comfort, some kind of reassurance this guy will be able to control himself and run a professional campaign that can meaningfully compete with hillary clinton's campaign. there's no real sign -- there certainly wasn't over this weekend that trump is prepared to do that. >> this weekend he needed to make an adjustment one way. he went the other way. >> there's a lot going on with trump. he wants the party to be more populist against the culture of washington and special interests, against changing entitlements that hurt less well off people. those are big changes that paul ryan and other republicans don't want to make. trump thinks part of the resistance is because they don't want the party to change. they want to be the fat cat special interest duopoly of the two parties in washington. he's trying to change that. >> thank you all. >> thank you, guys. still ahead, we're following the money in what's about to be the most expensive political
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the problem really for donald trump is when you go to his events, people tell me two things consistently. they love him because he says what's he thinks and he's not beholden to special interest. so if he suddenly decides to go through his rolodex and start raising money from some of these special interest, we'll see how that goes. he said he could go into the middle of central avenue and shoot somebody and nobody would care. look at the ways the different campaigns have been focusing their efforts at raising money. we decided to follow the money. >> how good am i? >> reporter: the most unpredictable campaign ever is about to become the most expensive ever. $1.2 billion raised so far. where is it all coming from? depends on the candidate. exhibit one, small donations from lots of people. >> averaging --
>> $27. >> reporter: this is bernie sanders' cutting edge digital war room where they've built a donor list others lust after. >> we have more than 2.2 million donors, more than $210 million as of our last report. >> reporter: a big chunk of sanders money goes here to the award packed offices of tad devine. >> nobody before has come into this and said he's going to try to raise money. he or she is going to try to raise money almost exclusively from low donor dollars. >> could it be replicated quickly by a donald trump? >> i think trump will try to replicate it. >> reporter: exhibit two, party on. hillary clinton is raising big bucks with the help of big names like george clooney at expensive parties. mike murphy ran a superpac for
jeb bush. >> small donor money, large donor money. money buys you the opportunity to make your case. doesn't guarantee it will work. >> reporter: exhibit four, donald trump. king of free media. of the $50 million he's raised, about $36 million came out of his own pocket. and most of his air time was free. with the general election expected to cost $3 billion to $4 billion overall, what does trump do now? >> do i want to sell a couple of buildings and self-fund? i don't know that i want to do that. >> reporter: the answer, trump may do some of all of the above. some were talking about a $5 billion campaign in total which boggles the mind. i made a lot of calls to current campaign people and former campaign people and said what do you see donald trump doing? how is he going to raise his money? the most interesting thing i heard is i don't think he's going to like be doing what
hillary clinton does which is go to event after event, raising money. but i could see him filling radio city music hall and doing a donald type extravaganza with a high tick eet price and raise money that way. >> he still needs bundlers. >> we'll have small dollars and mega dollars. >> do you think he can replicate to any extent what bernie sanders has done in terms of small donors? >> when john kerry was the nominee, he raised tens of millions instantly on the web. once the focus is to stop hillary clinton, i think he can raise a lot. >> chris jansing, thank you. oil prices seesaw in part because of the massive fire burning in y canada. stay with us. we'll have that. tion... tion... this is humira. this is humira helping to rieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage.
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all right. it's time for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. you are looking at the oil markets this morning. >> yeah, two important energy stories here driving the price of oil. good morning. one of those is in canada where wildfires are raging this morning. and they are raging in the heart of canada's oil-producing region. we're talking about an area bigger than the size of new york city. tens of thousands of people have been evacuated and hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil have been disrupted. canada is a big oil producer.
ships most of its oil to the united states. production is being halted with the areas evacuated. we'll keep an eye on that as prices move higher. also a big shake-up in the cabinet of saudi arabia this weekend. not clear what the implications are for the price of oil but they've named a new oil minister. it just shows that the crown prince continues to be the driver of energy policy and saudi arabia continues to try to diversify its economy away from being so dependent on oil as the prices are lower. one other story i wanted to tell you about, uber will no longer be operating in austin. lyft is also suspending its operations there after they were defeated this weekend. voters rejecting a measure that would have protected drivers from stricter background checks that would have barred the city from requiring fingerprinted background checks.
so now the city can enact much tougher rules. uber and lyft spent so much money pushing this legislation. they spent about $8 million and outspend their opponents 80 to 1. so much that it may have backfired because the opponents said uber and lyft are trying to protect their bottom lines. look how much they are spending and they lost. >> sara eisen, thank you. up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? what knee pain? what sore elbow? what joint pain? advil liqui-gels are so fast, they make pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer than advil liqui-gels the world's #1 choice what pain? advil.
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green pickup truck? >> it's a trump truck. >> i actually learned that donald trump should learn there's a big difference between playing an intersquad game and playing in the world series. >> when you finish jogging and everybody jumps on their bikes and goes to the next part of the race -- get on the bike. adjust. go to the next part of the race. >> i learned that mika and i are really looking forward to the ryan/trump meeting on thursday. >> it's going to go well. >> you think that it's going to be tough. >> you think paul ryan is going to cave like a rusty lawn chair. >> blah, blah, blah. >> if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe," but right now the great steve kornacki. >> this guy is so angry right now. spitting and spewing over there. >> he is a little intense. intense and angry. if you can get past that. >> look at him with that
sweater. >> i hope he doesn't do something filthy. >> no, he's fine. with a setup like that, we're ready to go. i'm steve kornacki on this monday morning. topping our ageagenda, trump ves ryan. the presumptive republican nominee says he may not need the house speaker to win this fall. >> does the party have to be together? does it have to be unified? i'm different than anybody that's ever run for office. i actually don't think so. >> trump is saying more about ryan and about the republicans refusing to back him. we'll dive into all of that in just a minute. also on the agenda, what pivot a week after locking up the republican nomination. there is no sign that trump is about to change his tone for the race against hillary clinton. >> there is nobody that was worse, nobody, than bill