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i'm steve kornacki. topping the agenda, the hostile takeover. what will donald trump's republican party stand for? paul ryan says he's ready to skip chairing the convention if he and trump can't get on the same page. >> if he asked you to step down as chair of the convention. >> i'll do whatever he wants with respect to the convention. >> that big trump/ryan face-to-face meeting set for this thursday. hints about what ryan may want from trump and what trump may offer ryan. also news of another top republican who is also going to be sitting down with trump this thursday. that's still ahead this morning. also on the agenda, hillary clinton could be on the verge of another loss today against bernie sanders. this one in west virginia. even as attention shifts to a clinton/trump showdown. >> i'm running my campaign. i'm not running against him. he's doing a fine job of doing that himself. i'm running my campaign, what i want to do as president, what i
stand for, what i've always stood for. >> clinton still clearly on pace to be the democratic nominee, but she could also be on the verge of finishing the primaries on a serious losing streak. just how bad could things get for her, and what would that mean for the general election? we'll show you in our most important number of the day still to come. and rounding out our agenda, a hint the general election could be tightening now that trump has emerged as the republican candidate. three new polls from three key battleground states show trump in a dead heat with clinton. we'll dive into those numbers. all that and much more still ahead. we begin with our top story. is there room in donald trump's republican party for the current republican establishment? more specifically, for paul ryan? one of ryan's close friends and mentors bill bennett revealing in the most detail yet what ryan is hoping to get out of the thursday summit with trump.
quote from bennett here, it's not at the level of specific policy. it's at the level of principle. there are certain principles that define the republican party. is there agreement there? can there be? will there be agreement there? that's bill bennett, a mentor of paul ryan. ryan saying he just wants to sit down and talk. >> i just think it's important that all wings of the party come together to get ourselves at full strength. and we shouldn't pretend that we're there. we're not. and that's why i just think it's important. i don't know him, and i've kept a distance from all of the candidates because of my position. so the last time we talked was in early march. >> ryan also saying in that interview he wants no part of any third party effort by disgruntled conservatives who don't like trump. meanwhile also news of another high stakes trump meeting on thursday. he's also going to be sitting down with senate majority leader
mitch mcconnell. unlike ryan, mcconnell has already said he would support trump as the nominee. lots of mixed signals like this coming from top republicans these days. kathy mcmorris rogers is a member of the house republican leadership. she says she still needs to hear more from trump before backing him. house majority leader kevin mccarthy is the number two, steve scalise, they say they're ready to support the nominee. mccarthy even signing up as a trump delegate in his home state of california. and trump also still has to worry about his hard core supporters on capitol hill. there actually are a few of them. asked yesterday about trump's statement he'd be open to a minimum wage hike potentially, one of his most prominent endorsers, jeff sessions said trump would be wrong to support a wage increase. as all of this plays out, all of these republicans agonize, there is evidence that republican voters aren't as torn as their party's leaders when it comes to trump. a national poll here shows trump
already getting 84% of republicans in a head-to-head race against hillary clinton. that's not far off the 93% that mitt romney got from republicans in 2012. not far from the 90% john mccain got in 2008. it may be that rank and file republicans end up being trump's best tool to help bring the party establishment aboard. hallie jackson and kristen welker are with us this morning. hallie jackson on capitol hill. she's following the republican civil war. again, at least among leaders in the republican party. kristen welker in kentucky following the clinton campaign. a brand-new poll we'll talk to you about in a minute. hallie jackson, let's bring you in first on the dilemma for republican leaders. so paul ryan, it's an interesting comment from bill bennett. that's one of his mentors saying this isn't really about specific policy items. it's about first principles. any idea what he's talking about there? >> it's the idea that donald trump will be not just a
republican when he runs for president but a conservative. a true conservative, somebody who believes in the platform of the party. that's where you're seeing some of the discussion and some of the fight headed as we look towards the convention in cleveland. so for ryan, clearly, according to bill bennett, he will be looking at tone and so will others within these leadership meetings happening on thursday. not just on the house side where you'll see speaker ryan and some of his top lieutenants. not all of whom are unanimous in their support for donald trump as the nominee. at least not yet. you're seeing something similar on the senate side when it comes to leadership as well and the impact that could have on down ballot races. trump's team is aware of this, steve. you can tell they're aware because they're trying to send over ben carson ahead of that speaker ryan meeting to kind of warm the room, if you will. to ease the path for this meeting between trump and ryan that's happening on thursday. sources in ryan's world tell cnbc news that nothing has been scheduled yet between ryan and
carson but that is a potential for the next couple of days. a lot of people look to this meeting as a pivotal point on thursday. congress back in session today for the first time since donald trump became that presumptive republican nominee. a lot of talk here on the hill about what it means that he's now going to be at the top of the ticket in november especially for some of the senators up for re-election. house members as well. a lot to discuss. two other quick notes. senator cruz is back on the hill today for the first time since he dropped out of the presidential race one week ago. and we also expect to hear from senator rubio as he delivers a speech. he, of course, yesterday shot down speculation that's he may want to be a vice presidential pick for trump. but questions remain for him as well. >> hallie jackson with that capitol rotunda behind her. so used to seeing you in diners and -- >> i'm undoors. >> vfw halls. hallie jackson, thanks for that report. some brand-new numbers as all this drama plays out within
the republican party. brand-new general election poll numbers as we start to look to a trump/clinton race. we'll show you on the big board. check this out. we have three new polls, a bit of a surprise here in three battleground states. florida, ohio, pennsylvania. quinnipiac polls out today. and look at this. hillary clinton basically a dead heat with donald trump in florida. one-point lead there for hillary clinton. donald trump up 4 in this quinnipiac poll in ohio. a dead heat in pennsylvania. hillary clinton by a point there. remember, we've been talking about donald trump entering this race, this general election race with a lot of work to do among republican leaders. a lot of damage done among groups that had been -- hurt republican party in past elections. this is just one poll. there will be other polls coming out. we'll see if they match up with this. this is one of our first reads on these key battleground states since trump locked u eed up the
republican nomination. if you dig inside these numbers, the gender gap is gigantic. in florida, hillary clinton leads among women by 13. among men, trump is up by 13. that's a gender gap of 26 points in florida. slightly smaller gender gap in ohio, but look in pennsylvania. hillary clinton up 19 with women, down 21 with men. a gender gap of 40 points. off the charts, astronomical. we'll see if that holds. that will be one of the stories we'll be following. in florida you see this interesting dwid. white/nonwhite. hillary clinton leading by nearly 20. non-white, hillary smoking him by nearly 40 points. on this subject of is this race tightening, our own nbc news survey monkey national poll. this looks at clinton versus trump across the country. hillary clinton leading by five points. that's a smaller margin than
we've seen in some of these other general election polls. it raises the question and we'll see with more polls coming out in the days to come. it raises the question, since donald trump locked down the republican nomination, has there been a tightening in this race. maybe with republicans rallying around him. that's something we'll see in the days to come. let's bring in now nbc's kristen welker following the clinton campaign this morning in kentucky. before i go to you, i want to play some sound because donald trump looking ahead to the general election, looking for hillary clinton's weakness. this is how he's been talking about hillary clinton the last few days. >> she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. i mean have you ever read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? and they're going after me with women? give me a break, folks. give me a break. >> so there's a lot of theories
out there about what donald trump is trying to do in bringing up bill clinton, extra marital affairs, the 1990s. one theory is he's trying to get in the clintons' heads. is he succeeding, and how is the clinton campaign responding to this? >> so far it doesn't seem as though he's getting inside their head. they've been bracing for this exact attack because, remember, he unveiled it several months ago. their strategy right now is to dismiss it. aides privately saying the notion that she was somehow an enabler is just ridiculous. they just push that aside. and that's essentially what we're seeing from the candidate herself. secretary clinton saying she's not going to respond directly to those types of attacks. in part they think they have the upper hand because of what you just mapped out. that huge gender gap. the fact that she has such a huge lead among women in a state like florida. but also nationally leading him by more than 20 points. she was asked about this yesterday in loudoun county, new
jersey by andrea mitchell. >> i'm going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. i'm going to run my campaign, which is about a positive vision for our country. >> so the strategy also, steve, on the part of the clinton campaign is to harness momentum among women voters, working class voters. today we'll see that's on display in louisville, tennessee, when she aimed at unveiling a new policy making child care more affordable. no family would pay more than 10% of their salary on child care. she's still locked in a primary. west virginia is going to vote today. she's expected to lose there. she's really focusing right here on kentucky and going up with ads this week here in kentucky. she hasn't run ads in west virginia and she didn't run ads in indiana, a state which she also lost. >> kristen welker in kentucky.
a very rainy day there. please stay dry. talk to you soon. let's bring in msnbc contributor michael steele, the former chairman of the republican national committee. i'm curious your thoughts on trump and focussing on bill clinton, focusing on the personal scandals from the pafts, the extra marital affairs and aemllegations. do you think there's a strategy here? trying to force him to have some public eruption or is donald trump just saying whatever comes into his head? >> we're used to the latter, but i think there is some strategy behind this. i think this is really a way to begin to draw bill clinton into this conversation. it's also a shot across their bow to say i'm not afraid to go there. and i'm prepared to go there if i need to. my suspicion is a week from now we're not having this conversation about what donald trump said about hillary clinton and bill's affairs. this is a one off.
it's a trial balloon to see what's working. how the team responds. hillary gave a cool, calm, collected answer yesterday when pressed by the media on the subject. we don't know how long that will hold up but this is a first salvo by a campaign that knows it can get under hillary's skin and bill clinton's skin when it wants to. >> we've seen in 2008, you saw barack obama supporters certainly got under bill clinton's skin then and he became a liable ut. it may be that donald trump is trying to bring something about like that this time. let me ask you about these new polls. this is just one pollster in three states. maybe we'll get different numbers. it does raise the possibility here with all of this attention on paul ryan, on republican l d leaders, can the people in washington support trump? does it seem possible? maybe the party's rank and file voters are already there? >> steve, they've been there since last june.
this is the past that's so frustrating for a lot of folks to watch. the base has been leading this process from the very beginning. republicans, rank and file republicans given an opportunity to express who they want for the nomination have settled on donald trump. it's not been ted cruz. it's not been marco rubio, it's not been jeb bush and the list goes on. so this -- these polls do not surprise me in the least. i think there's going to be more settling out as this unfolds. this race, i predict, will be closer than people would like to think it will be. i think a number of the gaps that are infamous at this point between donald trump and women, donald trump and hispanics will settle out. let's see what kind of campaign he actually puts together day-to-day in and out on these very sticky issues that have ticked people off with him, if you will. and see how he's able to bring them back. he's not been unafraid to do that in the past.
and he has done in the past. he's narrowed the gap and turned the corner with some of these voters in the pafst. i think she's polls are indicative of that. >> your successor as the republican national chairman reince priebus has been in contact with, communicate with the trump campaign trying to keep the peace between the establishment and the trump campaign. he had an interesting campai ii yesterday looking ahead saying donald trump is not going to try to rewrite this republican party platform in any way. let me play what reince priebus had to say. >> donald trump is not wanting to rewrite the platform, okay? he's just not -- so all that anxiety, just take it off the table. not willing to do that, but, you know, get into that. tell people that. you don't want to rewrite. you like -- you appreciate and agree with the platform the way it is. >> do you think that's true?
i can think of a couple of issues like social security and medicare where he's not where the republican party platform is. >> i don't think donald trump will need to rely on the republican platform. no presidential candidate even after has actually run on it. that's more of an internal document that makes everybody sort of reaffirm what they're out there fighting for. but you go back and you look at where a number of these candidates have been on some of the issues in the hurly-burly of a head-to-head in the general. the platform is rarely used as a whipping post for their issues. donald trump will more or less acquiesce to what conservatives have laid out as fif solical as well as political positions on some of these big issues. but donald trump is going to cut his own path on this. he's not been bound by convention or anyone's particular tradition. and certainly a platform is not
going to bind him when he goes out into the campaign field. it may serve as an anchor for some things he'd like to pivot to but that's largely about it. i don't see him trying to make wholesale changes to it. >> michael steele, former rnc chairman, thanks for the time. violent and horrific tornadoes ripping through californ oklahoma, killing at leeflast t people. and 33 years after north carolina state, the nc state wolfpack knocked off by slamma jamma, the houston cougars in one of the most dramatic upsets, they finally more than three decades later get their day at the white house. one of the stars from that sy cinderella team is going to join me. and donald trump. growing fast, you say?
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picking up the pieces. this is all that's left for some residents in oklahoma this morning. a day after a furious string of tornadoes tore across that state killing at least two people. one of them an elderly man killed inside his home when a twister struck through oklahoma's central region. tornadoes also near oklahoma city and southeastern lincoln, nebraska. that same storm system spawned reports of more than 20 possible tornadoes overnight in arkansas. it's also not over. the ohio and tennessee valleys are now bracing for the possibility of more violent weather today. the department of justice is upping the ante in a fierce battle over north carolina's controversial bathroom law. the doj filing suit against the state demanding it back away
from the law which places limits on transgender access to public restrooms. it came just hours after the governor filed his state's own lawsuit in a move to keep the law in place. attorney general equating the bathroom law with civil rights discrimination. >> they created state-sponsored discrimination against transgender individuals who simply seek to engage in the most private of functions in a place of safety and security. a right taken for granted by most of us. none of us can stand by when a state enters the business of legislating identity and insists a person pretend to be something or someone that they are not. >> of course, all this exploding at the height of the political season. a new poll just in the last couple of hours, a national poll on this issue. this is a sncnn/orc poll. 57% oppose north carolina's
style laws that would restrict bathroom access. that's a new national poll coming out just this morning. tony dekoupolo is at historic downtown restaurant in raleigh, the state capital there. also an early front in the original civil rights movement. we put those national numbers up. i saw a poll as well in north carolina a couple of days ago that said in that state there is slight majority support for this law. maybe opinion a little different there? is that what you're picking up on there? >> that's right. the governor is making a political calculation here. he knows residents of north carolina at this point are on his side. i'm outside mecca, an 80-year-old restaurant. from the jim crow era on to today, lawmakers have been coming here for coffee, lunch, very cheap alcohol. pictures of former governors there on the wall. yesterday attorney general
loretta lynch compared this fight over the bathroom law to a civil rights era over access to lunch counters like these. talking to voters, it's not quite clear they're getting that message. it is innate. sexual identity is innate. it's an innate choice, not one you're wrestling with. voters aren't so sure and opponents like the governor and like ted cruz, they think it is a choice. this is something waffling around and to open up the bathroom to being a space where you can go any different direction is exposing people inside that bathroom to privacy issues and also to threats. whatever the legal future of this law, there's an education component here that people like the attorney general have a lot of work still to do. >> some skepticism on the ground there in north carolina. of course there's a governors race there that this year is playing out as part of the backdrop. coming up, a lot of
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this is called the republican party. i am a conservative. >> will donald trump's emergence as the republican candidate for president in 2016 raise a simple question. what does the republican party of 2016, the republican party of donald trump stand for? this is a different republican party in many ways than we're uses to seeing in national elections. we thought we'd look at some of the key issues donald trump has talked about. he'll have to answer for in the general election. what does trumpism mean? what would a republican party led by donald trump look like? starting on the question here is what is trumpism? starting on the social safety net. here's something that trump has been saying that's different than we've heard from past republican nominees, something we hear from most prominent republicans when it comes to social security and medicare. donald trump has been out there, this is something he's been consistent on. he said do not cut social security. do not cut medicare. that runs counter to what you hear from a lot of
conservatives, specifically what you hear from paul ryan. trump sitting down with paul ryan. paul ryan put out these budget blueprints he's famous for where he looks to cut back the social safety net, cut back government spending in those areas. trump says no. here's another interesting area. the minimum wage. we've gotten mixed signals from donald trump. mixed signals on a lot of issues. at one point he talked about lowering the wages. most recently on sunday here's what he had to say about the minimum wage. >> i have seen what's going on and i don't know how people make it on $7.25 an hour. now i would like to see an increase of some magnitude but i'd rather leave it to the states. let the states decide. the states have to compete with each other. >> but should the federal government set a floor and then you let the states -- >> no, i'd rather have the state goes out and do what they have to do.
>> he seems to be saying leave it up to the states. he'd support the idea of raising it. there are republicans out there also calling for minimum wage hikes. if trump falls into that category, that would be different from what you hear from a lot of republicans. also the question of taxes on the wealthy. this has been absolute for republicans for more than a generation now. you never support any kind of tax increase. you are always looking to cut taxes. trump put out a tax plan a few months ago that would slash rates across the board. it could disproportionately benefit wealthy taxpayers. then on sunday he said something very different. >> i put in a proposal. you know what they are. they are proposals. people say a tax plan. it's a tax proposal. after i put it in and i think you know the senate and congress, you know as much as anybody, they start working with you and they start fighting. i'm not under the illusion that that's going to pass. they'll come to me. they'll want to raise it for the rich. they'll want to raise it for the
rich more than anybody else but the middle class has to be protected. the richest probably going to pay more and business may have to pay a little more but we're giving a massive business tax cut. >> the rich are probably going to pay more. you've not heard republicans talking that way in presidential elections or in general for a long time. we will see if trump sticks to that. that's always the question with him. are these actual positions he's articulating or things he's going to disavow in a couple of days or in a couple of hours in some cases. then the question of foreign policy. he's used the term america first. a lot of historical kocconnotats there, controversial ones around that term. donald trump has talked about not being as interventionist as george w. bush. you haven't heard major republicans running for president besides ron and rand paul say the kinds of things on
foreign policy that donald trump has. then the issue of immigration. this is the one that launched the entire trump movement. the wall, the border wall, mexico paying for it. he's also talking about the ban of -- temporary ban on muslims entering the united states. certainly that is not something we've ever heard from a major republican or a democrat at the national level. that's something he's running on. do trump's positions support his claims of being a conservative? how much does it matter to the people trying to protect that political brand? joining me now "washington post" opinion writer jennifer ruben. she wrote that stopping trump is the first step in remaking what we know as conservatism in america. thanks for joining us. when you look at those issues we just ran through, what donald trump is saying about them, anything there you can sign up for? >> well, there's actually a few more permentations. on the tax issue he's saying he's not going to raise taxes on the rich just cut them less than
he was originally going to. this is the problem with signing on to anything he says. it's a moving target. every day he comes up and spews something else. i don't think it's accurate to say that he has a particular ideology. in fact, his aides have been saying essentially whatever donald says is what the party believes in. so if you believe in something that is fixed, whatever it is, other than what donald trump comes up with when he steps out of bed every morning, no, i can't sign on to any of that because it's a moving target, and most of it is really incoherent like his ideas about paying off the debt or printing money. the problem many republicans are having, and i think it's important for your viewers to understand. this is not the establishment versus conservatives. the ideological mix on both sides is there. what this is about is whether the party is a party of ideas and those ideas can be debated,
or whether this is just a cult of donald based upon a nativist, misogynistic character who thinks it's great to get people to hoot and holler. so i think what i was trying to address was, yes, parties should be about something. we're not a society that invests our hope in authoritarian leaders. but what that thing is, that republicans need to gather around has to be modernized, has to get away from this sort of frozen in time stature that a lot of these issues got during the reagan years. and they have to start addressing issues that trump followers are concerned about. they have to start looking at, where's the alternative to obamacare? where is the middle class tax plan? where is a reasonable approach to education? higher education and k through 12 education. >> i think you got into this in the column you wrote and i'll ask you, how did this happen? how did somebody like donald
trump emerge from -- because we did the numbers. he's gotten over 40% of all the votes on the republican side. it's where romney and mccain was at this same point. it's the same basic profile of winning the nomination. he got the republican party on his side. how did that happen? >> well, 40% is low by historical standards. i think he's a little lower than where romney was. be that as it may, he does have a plurality. no two ways about it. two things happened simultaneously. the parties on both sides lost a lot of credibility and we have an angry populous. so he came along with a bright idea and it's not too different than bernie sanders. that's to rage the system. there's a lot of similarities between bernie sanders and donald trump on trade, on economics, on foreign policy. so i think he took advantage of an opening that he had. but i think the second thing is that the republicans left themselves open to this. by not having a dynamic agenda that spoke to ordinary working
people, they aloud a demagogue to come in and say, i have all the answers. i'm going to fix it. it's all wonderful and going to be awesome. and to blame foreigners and immigrants. so i think the wait in the long term to combine trump and trumpism is to have a cogent, humane and contemporary republican agenda. people like paul ryan have been working on things like that. there's a whole reform conservative movement which is exactly the direction the party should go. that conversation can't even begin to happen, however, when donald trump is leading the parade because it's all about donald. you can't have a sort of sound conversation about how much of the federal government should be involved in education or what should we do about our long-term entitlement problems because it's all about donald and his crazy show. so i think that's fundamentally the problem that a lot of republicans are having. and that is that they consider politics to be somewhat serious and just not about donald. and donald considers politics to
be about donald. >> all right. jennifer ruben with "the washington post," thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. it's primary day in west virginia. what's a difference eight years makes for hillary clinton. what's old is aparentally not new, and it's the most important number of the day. that's next. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder. so, we say thank you america for a century of trust, for the privilege of flying higher and higher, together. ♪
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she said i'm still in this race because i can still win states. she did. she won by 41 points in west virginia in may 2008. it wasn't just west virginia. this is how it ended in 2008. the win in west virginia, the big win in kentucky, won puerto rico and south dakota. won four of the final six contests on the democratic side in 2008. this came with everybody saying obama has the numbers, the delegates. he's going to be the nominee. is hillary clinton hurting this party by staying in the race? she insisted she wasn't and won four of the final six contests. while west virginia was a really good state for her eight years ago, bernie sanders, if anybody is the favorite walking into this primary today, it's bernie sanders. he won indiana last week. could win west virginia tonight. kentucky goes next week. could certainly win kentucky. you have oregon, north dakota, south dakota. a bunch of states. nine contests left.
bernie sanders could end up winning seven of these if things break his way. he could end on a bigger winning streak than hillary clinton did in 2008. that's not the way a nominee wants to close out the process but the silver lining for hillary clinton is she could win all those states in 2008. didn't end up hurting barack obama. she has to hope if bernie sanders wins all these states down the stretch it won't hurt her. 41 points. could be a 41-point difference in how hillary clinton does in west virginia versus the last time around. she's got to hope that's 41 points don't end up mattering that's much. in 2012, mitt romney won 47% of the women's vote. we sat down with republican women to get their opinions on everything from foreign policy to trump. republican women in suburbs like northern virginia, can they coalesce and support donald trump, or will they go somewhere else in the fall?
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lot about the gender gap this year. maybe more than usual. donald trump already polling pretty poorly when it comes to female voters. it's an opportunity that hillary clinton campaign sees they believe they can pick off republican women who don't like donald trump. they believe maybe they can win them over for hillary clinton. kasie hunt sat down with a group of five republican women in the pivotal swing state of virginia. these are the people, kasie, the hillary clinton campaign thinks they can win over. you sat down and talked to them. tell us what's you heard. >> there are some signs they could win over some of these women. of course, we talked to a small group, five women, all registered republicans. all who supported mitt romney in 2012. so you'd think that they would be united this time around. and what we found was that wasn't the case.
>> for me, at the end of the day, donald trump is not a republican. he came out this weekend and said that he's willing to raise taxes, raise the minimum wage. those are things that are just not republican. so i don't feel beholden to vote for him. >> would you vote for hillary clinton? >> if i have to, i feel it's my duty as an american to make sure donald trump is not our next president. if that means, as painful as it is, if that means i have to vote for hillary clinton, i will do it. >> i hate that. i hate to hear that. i hate to hear that because i will do anything to not have hillary clinton in office. i mean, i think she is the worst choice. i think she is dishonest. it's too much of a machine going on with the clintons and we have to know bill clinton will be back in there with her. >> so we have two very strong trump supporters at that table. two women who were likely to vote for hillary clinton, they said. one woman who was undecided. we saw pretty clear breakdowns based on age.
the two older women supportive of donald trump. the younger women less so. we had a further conversation about this enabler attack line that's donald trump has levelled at hillary clinton in recent days, arguing she enabled her husband in the white house and his affairs with women. and we found that the younger women again said her personal life was not something that they really felt was relevant in this case, but we had that one older woman articulating this idea that that would put bill clinton back in the white house and be negative for the country as a whole. >> one of the big story lines. kasie hunt in washington, thanks for that. up next, how about this? more than three decades after one of the most improbable national championships in the history of college basketball, in the history of sports, the nc state wolfpack finally get their white house visit and one of the leaders from that memorable team is going to join me next.
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there are a couple traditions that come with winning a major sports championship. you get a trophy, you get a parade, you get a trip to the white house, even if you have to wait 33 years. meet the 1983 north carolina state wolfpack. the nc state wolfpack. do you remember these guys? they were massive underdogs. people said they didn't even belong in the ncaa tournament and they were playing the top team in the country, the university of houston cougars. houston had clyde decksler, akeem olajuwon. nc state was supposed to get smoked in this game. instead, this. >> it's a long ways. >> they won it! >> they woinn it, i don't belie it.
valvano is going crazy. what a scene that was. and finally nc state, they got the trophy after that but they never got to visit the white house. back at that time in 1983 it wasn't yet customary and the school wouldn't pay to send the whole team to d.c. to meet president reagan so they never got to go until now. president obama invited them this week so there they are. yesterday, your 1983 ncaa basketball champions, now these are men in their 50s, finally getting to meet the president of the united states. >> all of us remember that game, one of the greatest college games of all time. you know, that image of coach valvano, you know, running through the court is seared in everybody's memory. joining us now is former nba star thurl bailey, a key member of that 1983 championship team. he led the team in scoring and rebounding. he led the team in scoring in
that game. of course it was that shot at the end. let me ask you first, was that a terrible air ball or the greatest assist in the history of sports? >> well, i'm glad you're not asking derrick whittenberg because he would claim it was a pass. he didn't shoot many of them short but that one was definitely short and thank goodness lorenzo charles was there to pick it up and put it down. >> it really is one of the all-time moments in sports. it is amazing, you guys did not get the white house visit. take us back to that time. is that something you had been looking forward to and found out you couldn't do it, was it just not on the radar? what happened back then? >> i think you explained it pretty well. we had a pretty frugal athletic department back then, so they didn't put up the money for us to go. and at that time it wasn't that customary. but we had a tv station, a local
tv station that offered to pay and sponsor us to go to washington, d.c., but we didn't do it because it would have been an ncaa violation back then having an unfair advantage in the recruiting. >> so what's it like all these years later. you guys are in your 50s and you finally get to go. what was that like yesterday? >> well, it was awesome. it was pretty indescribable, pretty surreal for us. you know, seeing how it came about, you know. i had to put some things in motion. we had talked about it as a team at our 30-year reunion, about how it would be to finally go visit the president, so i wrote a letter and i went to my good friend, senator orrin hatch, who wrote a letter in support of mine and we finally got the call. but you try to think about how it would be before you get there, but once you're there, it's so much different. it was just so amazing to have
the president and the vice president come and spend time with us. >> i can imagine. a little bit of bipartisanship too. orrin hatch and the obama white house, that's a good story. thurl bailey, congratulations on finally getting your white house visit. thanks for the time. >> thank you, steve. coming up, we're going to run through the new polls showing just how tight a clinton-trump race would be. i'm steve kornacki. craig melvin is coming up next. ♪ ♪ that's life. you diet. you exercise. and if you still need help lowering your blood sugar... ...this is jardiance. along with diet and exercise... jardiance works around the clock... to lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. this can help you lower blood sugar and a1c. and although it's not for weight loss or lowering systolic blood pressure, jardiance could help with both. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration. this may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, or lightheaded, or weak upon standing.
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