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a half behind a curtain. family: surprise! but only one of them will make a life long dream come true. great things are ahead of you when your health is ready for them. at humana, we can help you with a personalized plan for your health for years to come. this race is neck in neck. >> donald trump could win this. >> i believe between now and july we will be able to figure out how to unify our party. >> she is playing the woman's card. >> i'm going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. >> she can't talk about me, because nobody respects women more than donald trump. >> a lot of his rhetoric is not only reckless, it's dangerous. >> and a good morning to you. i'm craig melvin. the headline on this tuesday, too close to call. as hillary clinton juggles her
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campaign against bernie sanders with another against donald trump, fresh new polling from three key swing states shows precisely where the clinton versus trump matchup stands right now. our political team is here this morning with all of the bases covered. let's start with steve kornacki at his infamous big board. we're looking at pennsylvania, ohio, florida here. if the election were held today, steve, how would clinton do, how would trump do? >> infamous, i love it. what we've got are neck-in-neck races in these three battleground states. these are quinnipiac polls. i could stress we're going to get a lot of polls over the next few weeks, the next few months, the next six months so take them all with a grain of salt. but look at this, hillary clinton basically tied with trump in florida, down by four in ohio, up one in pennsylvania. three pivotal swing states and it raises the possibility here since donald trump got the republican nomination, since he sealed it last week, maybe does this show republicans, republican voters at least
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rallying around him. we can look inside these numbers, i think we can. here we go. what you see is not surprisingly a very big gender gap. in florida women leading by women by 13, in ohio it's a little less pronounced. in pennsylvania it's a huge gender gap. there's the white/nonwhite split. look in florida, tied overall but donald trump leading by 20 in white voters, getting crushed by 40 in nonwhite voters. we also have our own, a national read from the nbc survey monkey national poll, an online poll that has hillary clinton leading nationally by five points over donald trump. again, that's closer than some of the other numbers we've been seeing in recent weeks. we'll see other polls come out and see if they match up with this but at least raises the possibility of donald trump since winning that republican nomination, maybe republicans coming home.
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>> historically in those three states we talked about, pennsylvania, ohio, florida, historically how have democrats fared, republicans fared in presidential election years. >> in 2012 those were all obama states. florida was very close in 2012. obama also won ohio and also won pennsylvania. that's something, if donald trump is going to get elected president, he's got to make inroads in exactly those states. >> it's going to be interesting to see how they fared in hamilton county, ohio. the swingiest of a swing downy. we've got lots of headlines before thursday's big meeting between donald trump and republican lawmakers in d.c. nbc news confirming republican leadership in both chambers along with reince priebus. we've also learned this morning that dr. ben carson, now one of trump's most trusted advisers, has requested his own private meeting with paul ryan. jacob rascon is outside trump tower here in new york. jacob, am i to understand that dr. carson is essentially going
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to be gauging the room and also gauging paul ryan's mood before trump goes in? >> reporter: that's the plan, craig. you'll remember that dr. ben carson was one of the first to come out and endorse trump. he dropped out in early march and several days later threw his full weight behind the candidate saying that he had buried the hatchet and it was time for unity. dr. ben carson made it his mission to be a unifier and peacemaker on donald trump's behalf. so it's not too surprising that he would want to help out in this meeting between ryan and trump. but in fact a source close to the trump campaign confirmed that dr. ben carson did this on his own. he wasn't requested to do this by the trump campaign. and now he wants to get in there and he wants to help, as he has. on our channels, on our shows and elsewhere on other cable channels to try to be a unifier and peacemaker. mr. trump himself said he has no idea what the meeting will be about and paul ryan says that he
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doesn't know mr. trump, he wants to get to know him. so dr. ben carson wants to go in there beforehand and try to warm the room, as you said. >> we continue to hear from folks about the possibility of being a number two on a trump ticket, plomarco rubio, the floa senator, being the very latest. what did he say? >> yeah, so this is somewhat surprising because mr. trump on the campaign trail has made it a point to praise marco rubio repeatedly. a lot of us who travel with the trump campaign around the country have noticed this, that he will go out of his way to say that marco rubio is a very nice guy, he's well liked in florida, he's really a good guy. even when the crowd will go and boo marco rubio, mr. trump will say no, no, no, rubio is actually a nice guy. so now rubio comes out with a facebook post and he says specifically that he has no interest in being vetted for vice president, that instead he will focus on florida and in helping elect conservatives around the country. so rule marco rubio out.
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craig. >> continues to be interesting to hear him sing rubio's praises after calling him little marco for best part of half a year. jacob rascon, thanks as always, sir. house speaker paul ryan returning to capitol hill this morning. hallie jackson is also there. who comes into this meeting between donald trump and paul ryan with the upper hand, hallie? >> reporter: listen, craig, donald trump is coming here to washington as the presumptive republican nominee. congress is coming back for the first time since he took that position, and he is the person who is now the de facto leader of the republican party, at least according to what voters have said they wanted, republican primary voters. you're already seeing speaker ryan after his comments last week indicating he was just not ready to support donald trump yet strike a little bit more of a conciliatory tone talking about what he would do if trump wanted him off the convention headlines when that happens in cleveland in july. here is what ryan had to say. listen and then we'll talk about it on the other side.
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>> i believe between now and july we will be able to figure out how to unify our party. >> if he asked you to step down as chair of the convention, would you? >> i'll do whatever. he's the nominee, i'll do whatever he wants with respect to the convention. >> reporter: now this comes after ryan talked about a party that was only half unified wouldn't sustain a fight this fall against the likely democratic nominee or potential democratic nominee hillary clinton. so for ryan, for his top lieutenants here in congress, the idea of party unity is very important. there's not even unity among house leadership. you're seeing some of the top folks in the house split on what they would do and how they're handling trump, what their reactions are to him given his tone and given some of the comments he's made. that split is also evidenced in what people are telling us in our new online poll. we asked for reaction to people about trump as the presumptive nominee. 47% people were scared, 26% felt
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hopeful, 21% angry, 16% surprised, 14% excited. craig, it's a range of reactions just among the folks out in the country about donald trump being the presumptive republican nominee now. all of this is happening now as the discussion turns here to washington. up got trump on the hill this week. you heard jacob talking about the carson meeting. you've got a lot of meetings happening between top party officials in the republican national committee and donald trump as they try to figure out how to move forward from here. for ryan, for people like mitch mcconnell who is also set to meet with trump later in the week, the question is how do you bring the party together. for the republicans in order to present a unified front against the democrats in the fall. >> someone else returning to washington today, texas senator ted cruz getting back to work. there's a report in "the new york times" that says his supporters are starting this effort to take control of the party platform at the convention. what more, if anything, can you tell us about that? >> so here's what we know based
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on our nbc news reporting. sources are telling us there was a call that was involving ken cuccinelli, who had been heading up the delegate wrangling for the cruz campaign when cruz was in this race. tony perkins was on that call and most of his national delegates were there. according to one person on the call, cuccinelli and cruz was on the call briefly talked about the importance of pushing a conservative platform in cleveland in july. what we understand is it's not clear what specifically would be in that platform, but it is clear that those delegates are headed to the convention with a mission. all of this said, craig, cuccinelli was also explicit we are told in making clear that cruz's campaign was over, there was not going to be some last-minute push by senator cruz to sort of white knight out obviously in cleveland, but there is a concern about the platform, about conservative principles in that platform and making sure that those are sustained, even if donald trump or when donald trump becomes the republican nominee. >> hallie jackson on capitol hill for us this morning, thank you. i want to bring in karen
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tumulty, molly ball. always good to see both of you ladies. karen, let me start with you. could it be that paul ryan is actually trying to get fired as head of the convention chair job in cleveland? is there a chance that maybe he doesn't want to go? >> well, you know, the wisconsin dells are lovely in july. i'm sure he wouldn't want to miss that. you know, no. i think that what paul ryan would more than anything right now like is a unified party, but he also knows that this is going to be donald trump's convention. and it's going to be donald trump's convention from the first minute to the last gavel. so i think he's just accepting reality here. but i think we are a long, long way from that being an actual possibility. >> what do you mean we're a long way from what being a possibility? >> that you would have the relations between these two guys get so bad that paul ryan would not be at the convention.
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>> gotcha. molly, i want to talk to you about ted cruz coming back to work today. as you know, he has enjoyed quite the reputation for being a dissenter in washington, ran on it essentially, being on outsider. also has crafted quite the reputation for being legendarily unpopular with his colleagues. is there reason to believe that because of the campaign that he just waged he is going to be a different senator now than he was? >> that's a really interesting question. i don't see him changing his tone in the senate, but you did see toward the end of the campaign the way relations really turned very, very bitter between ted cruz and donald trump. so what i'm most interested in is to see where cruz comes down on the direction of the party now and whether he tries through things you were talking about, the delegate maneuvering or through public appearances and other things to try to be a spokesman for what he sees as his vision for the party.
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a vision that is not shared by donald trump and that was defeated in the primaries. how does ted cruz try to take a stand for the principles that he believes in going forward. >> molly, i want to show our viewers and our listeners as well, this is a look at the florida, ohio, pennsylvania, three key swing states here. we've compiled a list of seven swing states that show 110 electoral votes up for grabs. president obama won all of them in 2012 except for north carolina. there's the map right there. which ones does trump take out of the democratic column in the fall, if any, molly? >> i have no idea. it's really too soon to tell. i don't think it is wise to make predictions about november based on polls in may. and i think what we're seeing now with the surprising to some of the closeness in some of these swing state polls is that the clock really does get reset when you go to the general election. voters take a new look at the
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candidates, start processing it in a different way. i don't think we have any idea at this point how those polls are going to look in a few months, especially with how unsettled the republican party is and the complicated calculations that a lot of republicans are making about whether or not they want to be in the party with trump on the ticket. so, you know, i think it's wide open right now. >> karen, wide open? >> i think as molly said, these polls are snapshots. when you think about it, the two pieces of news that voters have heard about donald trump in the last week is one, that he won the nomination, and that the opposition that was vowing to fight to the convention crumbled like a cheap suit. the second thing they heard is there's a lot of resistance both in the party and in washington. both of those things really reinforce donald trump's brand and we haven't really heard a lot from hillary clinton. so i think, again, by this fall these polls could be anywhere, but i think what these polls
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show is that he is getting a bounce because of two very good pieces of news. at this point all this opposition from republican institutional figures is actually, i think, probably working to his benefit. >> karen, molly, thanks as always for your time and insight. more than 20 devastating tornados tore through the plains leaving two dead in oklahoma. storm chasers captured this video. after a quick pause, a closer look at the damage left and the lives lost.
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the ohio river valley, texas, the northern great pla , plains, all of them bracing for severe storms later today while
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kentucky and southern indiana are preparing for potentially damaging winds and tornados as we. monday this massive storm system killed two people in oklahoma and also spawned reports of nearly 20 tornados nationwide. this is some video from wynnewood, oklahoma. you can see that twister as it tears through that small town. gabe gutierrez is live there not far from where we just saw that twister. gabe, how are the folks there coping this morning? >> reporter: hi, craig, good morning. as you mentioned, the pictures are really incredible and this is the scene on the ground. this home obliterated, ripped off its foundation. this morning you can see some of the residents here are picking up the pieces here, assessing the damage. thankfully the weather here in this part of oklahoma is dry today, so that should help the cleanup efforts. as you mentioned, other parts of the country in the midwest and also here tomorrow, they're bracing for the possibility of severe weather. local authorities have
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identified one of the fatalities here, 76-year-old chester barnes. he lived not far from here. about 11 homes in this particular neighborhood were either damaged or destroyed. now, we were able to speak with the owner of this property. she survived by racing to her emergency shelter just in the nick of time. i spoke with her a short time ago. here's what she had to say. >> what do you want people to know? >> when they come on the news and, you know, say there's a storm coming or something, be prepared. be warned, you know. don't take it for granted that it's not going to hit you. storm cellars, underground. that's the only way to go. >> how are you able to get through this? >> i'm alive. i've got to keep going. i'm alive. >> reporter: so the shock is still sinking in for her and other people in this community. half a dozen tornados hammered oklahoma yesterday.
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again, residents here still picking up the pieces. as you mentioned, craig, 19, at least 19 tornados reported yesterday. they're bracing for the possibility of more severe weather here tomorrow, as other parts of the country, the midwest, look for more potential severe weather today. devastating out here, craig. >> it's always weird to see the complete and utter randomness of storms like that. that house as you said ripped off its foundation. it looks like 100 feet behind you, a house that for the most part appears to be intact. >> reporter: that's right. if you look behind me, that house is heavily damaged, but this one is destroyed. the national weather service will have teams out today assessing this damage, trying to determine the power of these tornados. craig, you've covered many of these things. what really set this thing apart was, one, storm chasers were able to get so close and show those amazing pictures, but also some of the local forecasters think by the time it is all said
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and done, this could be an ef-4 and the national weather service looking to confirm that today. definitely when you see this type of damage, these homes ripped off the foundation, it is certainly a very powerful, mammoth twister, craig. >> a reminder, when you hear the watches, when you hear the warnings, do take heed. a developing story overseas. one person is dead, three others hurt after a knife attack at a strain station just outside munich, germany. police have arrested a 27-year-old german-born man. they are also investigating witness reports that the suspect shouted "allah akbar" which of course means "god is great" in arab arabic. the man was armed with a 4-inch knife. we're keeping our eye on the situation in germany. also more news to report this morning. president obama is going to be heading to japan, hiroshima on may 27th. he will be the first sitting american president to visit the
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conceded west virginia? >> reporter: well, craig, good morning. i i think the way to think about it is they are certainly bracing for a loss in west virginia and they are trying to limit the amount of losses she'll have in may. they're going up with ads in fact right here in kentucky. it's significant because they didn't put up ads in west virginia or in indiana, a state which she did lose. so she's making a real play here for kentucky. i anticipate you're going to see her campaigning aggressively in a delegate-rich state like california and the campaign not ruling out the possibility of going up with ads there as well. her primary focus does remain on the general election, taking on donald trump, and really rallying women voters. we're going to see that on display again today. she's unveiling a plan that would lower the costs of child care, limiting the costs of child care to 10% for all families. that's her proposal. of course it is aimed not only at women but also working class
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families. while she courts these voters, she's dealing with a lot of criticism from donald trump, who has gotten very personal, very ugly on the campaign trail, taking aim at former president bill clinton's past. yesterday she was very enclosure she's not going to engage with him on that topic. take a listen. >> i'm going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. i'm going to run my campaign, which is a positive vision for our country with specific plans that i think will help us solve problems that we're facing, knocking down those barriers that stand in the way of people. i'm going to continue to reach out to people, to listen to people and make the case for the kind of president that i would be. >> reporter: and, craig, the clinton campaign also trying to capitalize on the sharp divisions within the gop, some of the fear within the gop of a donald trump presidency. they're releasing this list of headlines about donald trump. 16 of them. i'll read you just the top three. one from politico which reads
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trump doubles down on deportation. the second one, this one from the hill which is trump to stick with muslim ban. the third one from business insider, trump is floating an insane idea that would tank the american economy. so that is a key part of the clinton campaign's strategy, really trying to build on the fears that some within the gop have that trump would actually hurt some down ballot races. and again those sharp divisions which we're seeing on display on capitol hill today, craig. >> kristen welker in kentucky for us. thank you. of course the coal industry plays a prominent role in west virginia. hillary clinton didn't do much to win over voters by those remarks that she made at a town hall in march. here they are. >> we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. right, tim? and we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. but i don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on. >> i do feel a little bit sad
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and sorry that i gave folks the reason or the excuse to be so upset with me because that is not what i intended at all. >> our own olivia stearns is just back from west virginia. she covers business, among other things, for us. i know that you talked to a number of folks there with the mining community. what did they have to say about all of this? >> unfortunately, the situation there really is quite bloeak. the coal industry in america has been in decline for decades but the decline of coal and specifically coal in appalachia has picked up momentum in the last few years. i'm speaking to a guy called levi holstein. he's a fourth generation coal miner. i sat down with levi's father who worked in the coal mines. he's now disabled, he has black lung from spending decades down there. he said as economic opportunity dries up, the political landscape is also changing. have a listen. >> this is a democrat state, this is a democrat county with
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all the coal miners in it. >> and now it's going to trump. >> now it's going for trump. >> for the simple reason they ain goiain't going to vote for hillary because she stood up and she said she was going to put the coal miners out of business, the coal companies out of business. that just totally turned people off. turned them against her completely. >> did you ever think maybe she's being honest. >> i'm sure she is being honest and i'm glad she is being honest. >> that's just like our president now, president obama. he said about six years ago in his first term, he said i will bankrupt the coal business. he promised it, and he done it. >> you know, craig, the truth is they actually know the coal jobs are not coming back for two reasons. first of all, because of the market, the rise of natural gas. natural gas is cheaper so the market is always going to prefer natural gas and the big reason
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for that is the boom we've seen thanks to fracking. the other is what's happened with environmental regulation. even if we were able to make clean coal work, which there are lots of question marks around, there's a lot more coal and cheaper coal in wyoming so those jobs are not coming back to appalachia. they say they don't necessarily believe that but at this point they can't vote for hillary and at least he's offering hope. >> thanks for bringing that to us. from west virginia to north carolina, the bathroom law standoff now headed to the courts since the department of justice and the state's governor filed those dueling lawsuits monday. >> none of us can stand by when a state enters the business of legislating identity and insists that a person pretend to be something or someone that they are not. >> the attorney general there yesterday. so what now and what's next? tony dokoupil is in raleigh, north carolina, talking to people about the standoff. msnbc's chief legal
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correspondent, ari melber, is here. tony, let me start with you. what has been the reaction to what we saw go down yesterday. >> reporter: hey, craig, i'm in an 80-year-old restaurant not far from the state house. for years and years legislators have been coming here for coffee, for drinks, for lunch. you can see pictures of past governors on the wall yesterday. yesterday loretta lynch compared this fight over past fights to access overlunch counters. we were going to have an interview with tammy fitzgerald, a lobbyist who helped pass this bill but seconds ago she just walked away. clearly the framing that the justice department has put forward here comparing the access to bathrooms to access to lunch counters and jim crow era laws is not something they want to tangle with. but talking to voters during the morning rush it was clear that the attorney general's message is not resonating. people understand that skin color is not a choice but local
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residents think that the choice of whether or not you feel like a woman or feel like a man is not in the brain but something you're just one day deciding, another day deciding not. so whatever the legal future here, there is a cultural and educational battle here that the justice department has only just begun to fight, craig. >> tony dokoupil not used to being stood up, always unflappable. i'll let you track down tammy. ari, let's talk about this thing and moving forward. what's next and how is this going to play out in the courts? >> basically what you have here is these countersuits, but the bottom line is the feds are trying to block enforcement of this law. they're basically saying, hey, north carolina, we gave you a chance, an off-ramp with the letter and the opportunity to somehow narrow this law's application. you've declined that. indeed governor mccrory escalated with the countersuit so a federal court will ultimately decide whether, as the justice department claims, this law is a violation of civil rights and has to be blocked or
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narrowed. >> ari, yesterday north carolina's governor, pat mccrory, he said that among other things this was vast overreach, a misinterpretation of some specific provisions of the 1964 civil rights act. how broad or how narrow have the courts routinely interpreted that law? >> it's a great question and it goes through categories. so the original civil rights laws that we think of from the civil rights era in '64 established certain categories upon which you cannot discriminate. race, which tony just mentioned, gender. and so the issue here is whether people who identify as transgendered are covered under that original category of gender. doj says yes and several federal courts have also answered that question in the affirmative which also matters because that sets precedent. although the supreme court has not set one national rule on this. on the other hand, what north carolina is arguing is that the attempt to go in and block a law
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like this is to assert a new catego category, that is to say not race or gender but the new protected class of transgender. so that's a fight lawyers will have and people will have. at this point in time there is more federal press denting in the federal appeals courts supporting the doj view, that it is a type of gender discrimination if you treat people different low in the employment context or government context because they may identify within, say, the umbrella of gender as transgender as people are explaining, as they figure out how they identify and how they feel. that's where the law has been, at least in the courts. >> our chief legal correspondent, ari melber. thanks as always. folks, we've got some breaking news for you right now. a live look at lower manhattan. you can see -- i believe you can see what appears to be a rescue effort under way. the camera right now is tilting down. there it is right there. there's that broken scaffolding. two window washers are in the process of being rescued.
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we're still trying to get some information here, but what we can tell you is that roughly 30 minutes ago the scaffolding stopped moving. this is a building in the financial district here in new york city. we're looking at about 17 stories up. if you look close low there on the left side of your screen, you can see what appears to be some glass that's been broken. we're told that the glass was broken to help with the rescue effort. i cannot see -- i don't know if anyone in the control room can. i don't see the window washers right now in that scaffolding. we can assume at this point that they have been rescued. but again, this is a firefighter -- these are firefighters rescuing window washers in lower manhattan in the financial district. we can tell you right now that those firefighters have been rescued, they have been taken to safety there in what had to have
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been a harrowing episode for them, some 17 floors above -- at least 17 floors above that building in lower manhattan in the financial district. we saw some firefighters before we brought up this helicopter shot for you. we saw some firefighters actually rappelling down the building to the scaffolding. but again, they busted through the glass there. it looks like they may have busted through two windows to take those two window washers to safety. so some breaking news on this tuesday morning where some window washers have been rescued by new york city firefighters. straight ahead here, we will get anti-tax crusader grover norquist's take on donald trump and his confusing clarification of his tax plan. first, jon stewart weighed in on a possible president trump. >> i don't even know that donald trump is eligible to be president. are you eligible to run if you are a man baby?
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everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfectin products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. donald trump says he knows taxes as well as anyone, but when it comes to his own tax plan, he's done more to confuse than clarify. on sunday it sounded like he told our chuck todd that when it was all said and done, top earners would end up paying a higher tax rate. >> the thing i'm going to do is make sure the middle class gets good taxes -- tax breaks. for the wealthy, i think frankly it's going to go up. and you know what, it really should go up. >> it really should go up. then on monday morning, trump went on cnn to insist he didn't really mean taxes would go up for the rich. >> i said that i may have to increase it on the wealthy. i'm not going to allow it to be
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increased on the middle class. now, if i increase it on the wealthy, that means they're still going to be paying less than they pay now. i'm not talking about increasing from this point, i'm talking about increasing from my tax proposal. >> so here's the aforementioned tax proposal that was unveiled last fall. the head line here is that donald trump would cut the top tax bracket from nearly 40% to 25%. he also plans to reduce the number of brackets to four and dramatically slash the corporate tax income right as well. but some have been left scratching their heads because what he said yesterday sounded different from sunday which sounded different from the plan i just showed you. to clarify, he called into another network and said this. >> i'm not talking about a tax increase, i'm talking about a tremendous tax decrease. i could see the wealthy getting raised but i'm not talking about raised from where they are now but raised from my low proposal. >> grover norquist is president and founder of americans for tax reform. mr. norquist, thanks so much for
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your time. >> sure. >> sunday the rich will have to pay more. monday says maybe not so much, they'll actually pay less. in your heart of hearts, do you believe that donald trump won't raise any taxes? >> yes. and he's actually been quite clear about it, even with some odd questions. his tax plan takes you 0, 10, 15, 25%. basically back to the rates that reagan left the country with, with bush and clinton then raised them and obama. and also to take a 15% tax on business activity. not just on corporations, but on self-employed people and people who have subchapter s corporations or pass-through companies. so business income at 15% instead of 35%. that makes us competitive worldwide. it's a fine, solid plan. he thinks if he goes and negotiates with the house and the senate, they may ask him to
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raise some of the -- reduce some of his tax cut or raise taxes where where they're cut. i don't think so. i think if he sits down with paul ryan and senator mitch mcconnell, they'll be very happy with the plan as written. >> assuming that they sit down with him after he's elected and that the relationship is a bit more cordial than it is right now. i want to call your attention, i'm sure you've seen this article that was in in "the washington post." this is sort of a look at what trump might be doing here. trump is playing a game here. he wants to signal flexibility on high-end taxes and the minimum wage to the general election audience while trying to reassure those gop elites who might still plausibly support him and who care about these issues, that he'd hold the line on them. what do you make on that. do you think perhaps he's trying to give himself some wiggle room here? >> no, because he clarified whatever confusion people had from sunday. the actual challenge you have is -- the question is trump or hillary clinton.
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hillary clinton started the campaign the way her husband did. >> the question here is donald trump's tax plan. i also want to ask you about this, his plans with regards to social security. in the past your group has acknowledged that to sustain the program long term, to keep it viable, that changes will have to be made to social security as we know it in this country. donald trump said in miami at the debate, he said, quote, i will do everything within my power not to touch social security, to leave it the way it is. what say you to that? >> so any changes in social security require 60 votes. there are reforms that one needs to do on entitlements in order to make them sustainable but there was a reform in social security. it's the entitlement with the least set of problems right now because there were some reforms that were done on a boy partisan basis under reagan. but you seem to be avoiding hillary clinton's problems of her endorsing taxing low income people, which she started her
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campaign saying she'd never do and now she's endorsed taxing people who buy soda pop $4 for a 12-pack increase. >> you're talking about the plan in philadelphia. >> the philadelphia plan that she endorsed. >> for the record i wasn't trying to shirk conversation about that but we did invite you on to talk about donald trump's tax plan. >> but the suggestion that trump has shifted when she hasn't and hillary has. >> i think we can all agree that it was a bit confusing to hear him say one thing on sunday and i think he would acknowledge that it was a bit confusing which would explain why he called in to try to clarify his remarks. yesterday you indicated that he had not signed the no new tax pledge -- scratch that, he had not mailed it to his office. any word on that, have you gotten it? >> no, we don't have it. until it's public, we don't consider it signed because it's a pledge to the american people. >> why do you think he hasn't signed it yet? if he's a guy who's going to cut taxes for businesses, he's going
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to cut taxes for the middle class, he's going to cut taxes for the wealthy, why not wear it like a badge of honor and sign the pledge and do what many other republican presidential candidates have done in the past? they stand with grover norquist. why do you think he hasn't done that yet? >> well, it's to stand with the american people. well, i was told he has by the campaign. they may decide to publicize it on their own basis. many people do that on their own timetable. his commitments, both his plan and his statements are perfectly consistent with a commitment to veto any effort to raise taxes net. so i think he's been fairly clear on that. i always like to have it here again and again and i think the american people would feel secure as they do with the house and senate republicans when they put it in writing and say to people, you know, here's what we're not going to do. we're not raising taxes. >> grover norquist, i always enjoy your insight, sir. thank you. >> good to be with you. up next, donald trump claims
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how he's been attacking her. we, of course, saw him over the weekend talk about hillary clinton as an enabler of some of her husband's bad behavior. i asked these women about it. take a look. >> for me, i think that's kind of ridiculous. it's blaming the woman because the husband made a bad choice. i think that's kind of silly. >> i also don't think we can comment on their relationship. they -- secretary clinton and president clinton have a unique relationship and there's actually a book on it. i forgot what it's called, but it talks about they're more than just husband and wife, they are partners in many other aspects. and i think -- >> it's called "the machine." they are a machine and that's why she would never have left him. as badly as all that came out she would never have left. >> but i don't think we can say what we would have done. how many women do we know who are still with their husbands after being cheated on. how many women do we know who are still in abusive
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relationships. i don't think we can project on what she's doing or what she did because it was good for her career. i think that it's a very personal story that happens in every individual household. >> but he was the president of the united states. >> what's your sense. >> he was the president. come on. i mean he was -- he was in charge. he took this starry-eyed intern and abused her. >> and you think that reflects negatively on hillary clinton? >> i do, i do. >> so my next question is do you like jackie o.? are you a fan of jacqueline kennedy? >> yes, and i know what you're going to say. >> did she enable jfk to sneak in women? because i'm sure bobby kennedy snuck dozens of women in. so did jackie o. enable president kennedy? and the next question, did she not use her position as former first lady to start all of these charitable foundations. >> i want to let you finish since it's directed at you.
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>> well, when you look the other way, you are enabling. >> so as you can see, it got pretty contentious and there was a little bit of a divide by age. people who remember bill clinton in the white house better, some people who were younger when that happened and maybe it's a little further away. >> that was a fascinating look and probably a conversation that is being had around other dinner tables all over this country. kasie hunt for us today in washington. thank you. we will be right back. owen! hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something.
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