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good afternoon. i'm kate snow in new york. we will start with high school history class. you don't have to take any notes. we're coming up on the anniversary of one of abraham lincoln's most famous lines, a house divided amongst itself cannot stand. abraham lincoln was talking about our entire nation. it fits what's happening today in the party of lincoln. the civil war in the gop is not a new phenomenon, it's been developing two years but donald trump's nomination has exposed it. today, donald trump has no competition as west virginia and nebraska head to the polls and will only increase his standing.
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instead of shifting to the general election with the full might of his part tebow hind him, there's conflict with paul ryan with the wing of the party the house speaker represents. new video moments ago, speaker ryan arriving back at the capitol, one of trump's most trusted allies, ben carson, has independently requested a private meeting or phone call, the source close is to help warm the room for trump's meeting for paul ryan on thursday. as team trump prepares for that, a new nbc news survey monkey tracking poll shows if the general election were held today, trump would lose to hillary clinton by five points. that margin would be greater if the democrats' choice was bernie sanders and trump would lose 53-40. it begs the question, can a house divided win in november, something majority leader mitch
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mcconnell was just asked this afternoon. >> reporter: there's at least half a dozen republicans in your caucus who have not yet supported mr. trump and aren't ready to do that. is that posture helpful for party unity? >> you can speak to each of our colleagues and get their own take where we are. i've already given you my view, we have a nominee, looks like he may very well be very competitive and we want to win the white house. >> there's a lot happening on the democratic side of the aisle. we'll get to that. first to the republicans. we are covering the key players this afternoon. let's start with the man we haven't heard from a while, senator ted cruz back from texas on capitol hill today making headlines with a new interview where he seemed to leave open the possibility of jumping back in. >> ted, are you leaving the door open to if nebraska were to somehow -- >> it's not going to happen. >> -- miraculously choose you
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tonight, pat is going for the hail mary, if that happened, would you consider getting back in the race? >> i am not holding my breath. my assumption is that will not happen. listen, let's be very clear, if there is a path to victory, we launched this campaign intending to win. the reason we suspended the race last week, it was indiana's loss, i didn't see a viable path to victory. if that changes, we will certainly respond accordingly. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell has more on that interview. he's been asked time and again by our correspondents whether he will end up supporting donald trump. what's he saying today? >> reporter: he's buying some time and we are as well waiting for senator ted cruz to return to his office on capitol hill. he remains in office as the texas senator until january 2019. that means he remains a national voice in this party beyond his own campaign. also, our quiet little stakeout
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has begun to attract some of our media colleagues. what we expect is to see senator cruz return to his office. we expect some of his staffers perhaps be lined up to greet him but we have seen a steady stream of people who have business with his office coming here, a normal day that happened while he was on the trail. one of the things he is saying, when it comes to how he or the public or his voters might respond to donald trump, the thing he says is needed is more time. >> this is a choice every voter is going to have to make. i would note it's not a choice we the voters have to make today. the republican convention isn't for another 2 1/2 months, the election isn't for another six months. you and i both want to support a conservative. we want to support someone who will get the burden of washington off of small businesses and bring back jobs and economic growth.
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you and i both want to see a president we can trust, a president we can trust with power who demonstrates the temperament not to abuse that power. we need to watch and see what the candidates say and do. >> so, kate, as you might expect, because you covered capitol hill, i wore flat boots today so i can do running after ted cruz today and down the line. because of what he is saying, leaving doors open not willing to fully commit if he ever gets there with respect to donald trump, he remains someone we want to measure his comments and see where he's at and can there be conditions that change that might make him ultimately want to support trump or will he be a counter-figure throughout this election seasons. back to you. >> those marble floors in the russell building are a killer. you have to wear the flat boots. >> you got it. >> we will congressman back to you as soon as you see the senator. we're interested in what he has to say.
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we will stay on capitol hill with that much anticipated meeting between donald trump and key gop leaders including house speaker paul ryan thursday morning. nbc luke russert is on the hill for us. you just got more details on that meeting. >> reporter: that's right. details coming to me from a source close to the ryan operation. the meeting is 9:00 a.m. there will be two of them. the first one, paul ryan, donald trump, and reince priebus, the chairman of the rnc, 9:00 a.m. thursday located at the republican national headquarters in washington, d.c. that will then be followed by a second meeting that includes speaker paul ryan, leader mccarthy, whip scalise, morris rogers, and whip mckenzie also a leader within that group. very interesting two meetings, the first is the speaker and chair of the rnc with the republican nominee and the house
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leadership. as far as what the topic will be, kate, paul ryan said recently in radio interviews he's trying to get to know donald trump a little bit and doesn't have much of a relationship with him. take a listen to what he said. >> i don't go into thursday with huge expectations other than to have a conversation we need to start having so we're getting ourselves on the same page as party so we're full strength this fall. i assume that's what donald wants as well. >> it's, i think, fair to bring up other points ryan said in these radio interviews. he's having a facebook chat right now. i'm sure he will speak to this topic now. he said something interesting. it would be a mistake to say we are unified. many conservatives feel alien e alienated in the process. he wants a mandate in order to try and move washington in a conservative direction. he, as speaker, doesn't necessarily believe right now donald trump can do that in a conservative fashion.
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i think the desire for ryan at this meeting is to be able to elicit some sort of extraction from trump, something he can hold up and show his very conservative house gop conference, hey, look, donald trump has been to the left of hillary clinton on things like trade and things like foreign policy, maybe we can go to do some business with this guy after the assurances i got from him. maybe ryan says, you know what, i will focus on the house and senate preserving those and donald trump can be donald trump. that will be interesting to see the initial take away on that. >> luke russert, thanks so much. let's get the trump campaign's perspective on these meetings and nobody has covered the trump campaign as well as katy tur from here in the newsroom. what are they saying about the importance of these meetings they just laid out. >> reporter: donald trump has said he hopes to have a good meeting with paul ryan.
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when it comes to getting into that room and speto congressman donald trump's commitment to fund-raising for the rnc and down ballot candidates, to make sure they are as successful as he is and he hopes to be come november. it's important in that front the campaign is starting to realize or the candidate himself is now starting to realize he needs to do more to get those on board. i was speaking with a senior source close to donald trump last night. they were telling me basically he didn't quite understand that winning the nomination didn't necessarily mean that he was winning the confidence of the party. it's not like a business takeover, not like you're going in and buying a company where the employees are suddenly your employees, winning the republican nomination may be a vote of confidence from the voters but he needs to work on making it a vote of confidence from the politician s on political as well.
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>> katy, already starting with some meetings today at trump tower, right? >> this morning he had a meeting with lou eijssenberg heading up the joint fund-raising committee between the rnc and donald trump. it's unclear what came out of that meeting but is a first step for donald trump to begin the conversation how he is going to raise money for his campaign, will this continue to be a self-funded campaign? nobody expects that to happen or will he start taking donor money from large scale donors most presidential candidates take from. >> quickly, news on the vice-presidential search. >> corey lewandoski is said to be heading up the vice-presidential search. interesting because he's not a lawyer and usually people with legal background doing it. corey lewandoski is quite close to donald trump, one of his
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closest confidantes during this campaign. he will be doing that. it is unclear how far they are in this vetting strategies and only seven days into the presumptive nomineeship, if you will. they should have a short list for donald trump to choose from by july. >> katy tur, thanks as always. a quick programming note. tune into "hardball" at 7 p.m. p.m. tonight. should be an interesting conversation. i want to bring in senior writer at "politico"," jake, nice to se you. >> good to be here. >> you've covered paul ryan for years at "politico." what does paul ryan need to do? >> i think paul ryan spent a career as serious conservative and policy oriented and knocked on his heels by donald trump who
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is kind of a showman and said some things a lot of politicians disagree with. to think this is some sort of play for donald trump to begin fund-raising for the rnc said in the last segment is a fundamental misunderstanding what house republicans and ryan are looking for. polls show consistently across the country trump's candidacy puts a number of districts across the country in the house in play. more districts than almost any other candidate. what republicans on capitol hill want is some assurances he's not going to be as bombastic in some of their words, not be a political liability. that's where ryan and the house republicans are coming from. >> trump actually hinted today he knows this. he sent a tweet out and said i look forward to meeting with paul ryan and the gop leadership in d.c. and together we will beat the dems at all levels. that at all levels really matters, that's him signaling i know i know i have to help you
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g guys. >> reporter: he knows he has spent months talking about a ban on muslims on capitol has met, to put it mildly by an arms length. this feud, i'm not sure it will clear up so quickly and not sure there will be a breakthrough when he comes to capitol hill. it will be a trust but verify moment. >> if they can't find common ground we talked about a house divided cannot stand. what happens in the general election if they can't come together? >> reporter: i expect it will be uncomfortable. i think most will get behind the nominee. almost a convenient feud. paul ryan gives space to vulnerable members of congress to stay away from trump and trump is able to bash congress and congress has single digit approval ratings and doesn't hurt him there. in some strange way it is a convenient feud. >> thianks so much.
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the veep stakes are on, marco rubio taking himself out of the running for the number 2 spot on trump's ticket. writing i have never sought, will not seek and do not want to be considered for vice president. donald trump tweeting this morning without naming names, it is only the people that were never asked to be vp that tell the press they will not take the position. for more on the narrowing list of contenders, rick tyler and
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former communications advisor for the ted cruz campaign, nice to see you. marco rubio not comfortable being the vp, really wasn't asked but putting that out on facebook. this is what he said this afternoon on q&a at the hudson washington institute. >> what could donald trump say potentially over the next month or so that would reassure you about his ability to potentially handle the challenges you talked about today if he were to become president? >> i wouldn't put it that way. look, as i said before, my policy differences and reservations about donald's campaign are well established and said them often. i stand by those. those remain. i hope they'll be addressed. those remain. that said, i don't view myself as a guy who will sit here the next six months taking shots at him. people know where i stand, how i feel, what our differences are. he's the presumptive nominee of the republican party via the
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vote voters. i respect that and accept it. that won't change the reservations i have about his campaign or some policies he's establi established. >> rick, i'm not going to spend the next six months beating up donald trump but i also am not going to endorse him and what we're hearing from so many in washington right now. >> the problem with that answer it sounds like a politician in the year donald trump has made his mark by not sounding like a politician. i find it curious marco rubio put that statement out when in fact he wasn't asked. if he was asked it would be an excuse for it. he opened himself once again for the donald to get under his skin. >> at the very least a twitter war with him. this morning we were talking with kitty tur aboaty tur about lieuwen dowski heading up the search for the vice president. >> no.
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he's close to donald trump. trump keeps a close circle around him. not a lot of advisors and corey is a trusted advisor. i think the vice-presidential pick will be an important one. a little confusing when ben carson self-appointed himself and have to go back and make sure everybody know it's corey. they have to tighten up the communication is in the trump camp. that happened a few times. >> ben carson, our reporters confi confirmed, is holding a phone call for paul ryan supposed to warm the room for the meeting. >> i suspect that was self-initiated and my guess the trump campaign did not ask him to do that. >> he did it on his own? >> i believe. >> and speculation trump is still considering john kasich as a vice-presidential pick, kasich saying he has no interest in that post. what do you think of that? >> kasich would be an interesting pick. it's very difficult to win the white house without winning ohio.
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john kasich is the governor of ohio. there's been a lot of talk about newt gingrich. newt gingrich would be a very interesting choice. the reason i think it is, he brings foreign policy experience and military experience. he's a serious person in the way dick cheney is a serious person for george w. bush. he's also seen as anti-establish candidate but respected by the establish and proven he can get done things for the establish. here's the other thing why i think, kathe trump campaign doe have a path to victory over hillary clinton. what it involves is increasing their share of the white vote. if mitt romney had gotten 3 more% of the white vote he would have beaten barack obama. in order to duplicate that with african-american it would be somewhere around 4 in 10 african-americans had to have voted for mitt romney. that won't happen and won't
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happen for donald trump and 4 in 10 hispanics have to vote for donald trump. that won't happen. a winning strategy for him is to turn out more of the people donald trump is already turning out, white voters, lower education, lower middle class hammered by the economy, don't see an opportunity to get ahead and effectively had no wage increases and he's electrified that crowd and gingrich would help turn those people out. >> that's an interesting observation. i'm not sure i agree gingrich is anti-establish. he seem s at this point he's e entrenched washington. >> you look at his history, he is. >> nice to have you. >> thanks. pushing for cleaner energy sources, but that might not hemphillry in west virginia. they're making their pick today. first, bernie sanders made room in his business schedule to stop by the late show.
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and it keeps my investments fully mobile... technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration. it's voting day in west virginia and both candidates are on the campaign trail not in west virginia, hillary clinton in kentucky and bernie sanders in california and oregon. there's a reason they both moved on to other states. the latest polls out of west virginia shows sanders leading clinton. even if he wins he'll still be trailing big in the delegate count. this afternoon joe biden pred t predicting i feel confident hillary will be the nominee and feel confident she'll be the next president. meanwhile, more signs today
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hillary clinton is focusing on the general election. let's turn to kristen welker focusing on the campaign from louisville, kentucky. >> reporter: good afternoon. hillary clinton is focusing on two fronts, the general battle against donald trump and bernie sanders. first to the general election we are increasingly seeing her everyday trying to harness women voters, we saw that yesterday in west virginia and today in, and a number of events aimed at women, childcare, family issues. she's unveiling a new policy in louisville she says will aim to keep the cost of childcare down to 10% per family. if you look at the polls, secretary clinton trounces donald trump among women nationally by double digits. then in some swing states she's beating him as well among women voters and not responding directly to some of those sharp attacks he has had against her
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and former president bill clinton. instead, she's keeping the focus on her own policies. take a look at what she had to say today. >> i spent much of my adult life working on behalf of children and families. it is a personal passion of mine. it is something that i feel is at the core of everything else we want to do in society and in the economy. if we don't support families, we don't support making our country or any community as strong as it can and should be. >> reporter: clinton is also trying to capitalize on some of the divisions within the gop today releasing a list of conservatives who seem to be opposing him. that's the third day they've done that and releasing a list of headlines written about donald trump in recent weeks, "politico," trump doubles down on deportation, the hill, trump to stick with muslim ban and
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business insider writing trump is floating an insane idea that would tank the american economy. she is also focused on the primary battle and why she's here in kentucky and we learned she's up with ads in kentucky trying to mitigate some losses she's bracing for to senator sanders during the month of may. >> clinton is spending 168,0$16 in kentucky, meantime, zero there for sanders. let's turn to nbc's chris j jansi jansing. she's covering the sanders campaign and today on the bus to salem, oregon for a rally tonight. you've been hearing about this new ad spending by the sanders camp as well. >> yeah. we just learned they will answer that, the sanders campaign, with a low six figure buy they will do in kentucky. this is a change in strategy for them. they say it's not in direct response to what hillary clinton decided to do, they were always thinking about putting up ads in
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kentucky. it's a double-edged sword, on one hand great she's taking seriously the challenge she poses. on the other hand, there is this question about the money they're spending at a time when frankly, they're going away from ads as they're raising less money, going more towards tracki inatt big crowds last night. 15,000 in sacramento and another thousand couldn't get inside in california and we just left 5 5,743 people screaming, where he took on secretary clinton and in particular, some of the ways they're different on the issues. take a listen. >> one of the differences between secretary clinton and myself is that i believe that now is the time to impose a tax on carbon. another difference between secretary clinton and myself is that i believe now is the time
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to end fracking. that is not secretary clinton's view. in fact, when she was secretary of state, she pushed that technology on to countries around the world. >> reporter: so he's talking about this in california. that's a message that will resonate in west virginia, which is, of course, the primary tonight. the big overall message that he had to the 5700 plus today in stockton, california, we have a very good chance of winning the majority of states that are left. the campaign believes that will set up a narrative that makes him a real challenge, even in these waning days, even when the delegate math is so very hard for him to reconcile, but it all has to start tonight in west virginia. kate. >> chris jansing, thanks so much. if any thinks our reporters aren't dedicated, that's a nine
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hour bus ride chris is on right now. there's been a lot of focus on the industry associated with west virginia. coal workers have played a big role in politics but the industry isshrinking. going out to catch up on the coal mining community about this race. >> reporter: coal really is everything in appalachia, the lifeblood of the entire region. coal has been in decline for several years and it has picked up steam in the past few years and we've seen that with huge coal bankrupts. what's interesting when i was down there how much the political landscape is changing as economic opportunity dries up. >> i remember we come in from work and there's nothing and all grown up and now the track and is all gone. >> reporter: levi is a fourth generation coal miner, now just 24 years old, he's already been
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laid off twice and worries about supporting his young family. >> reporter: do you think this mine will ever be reopened? >> no. it's done, all gone. >> reporter: lately, levi's hope is fading as the coal industry goes up in smoke. this past year, more than 10,000 mining jobs lost. and projecting another 18% this year. on the main street of madison, west virginia, collateral damage. >> there used to be -- >> reporter: all these businesses used to be -- >> used to be booming, there's so many people coming and walking these streets. >> reporter: this whole town depends on the coal mines? >> absolutely. like the trickle effect, coal miners losing their jobs and businesses going out of business and schools laying off teachers. >> reporter: what's worse, experts say it's not coming back. >> coal employment has been declining for decades and the headwinds are increasing instead of decreasing and unlikely they
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will come back insignificant number. >> reporter: the headwinds, cheaper gas and new environmental regulations. the political landscape is changing rapidly. levi's father disabled after decades in the mines, after v e voting for bill clinton in the '90s. >> the reason i ain't going to vote for hillary, because she stood up there and said she will put the coal miners out of business. that totally turned people off. >> here's the thing. donald trump says he's going to bring back all those coal jobs. the truth is he really can't, even if he goes to the epa and strikes regulations and starts to invest in clean coal, that technology is far from proven. the truth is even if we did go back to coal we're not going to do, it's cheaper from wyoming than west virginia so those appalachain coal jobs are not
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new polling today showing tight matchups between donald trump and hillary clinton. in key swing states, in florida, hillary is leading by one point. in pennsylvania, clinton has a pon point lead over trump. our polls showi ining clinton d leading nationally. when it comes to the democratic primary race, clinton is leading sanders by 12 points nationally. that latest quinnipiac poll has
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clinton beating donald trump in ohio, pennsylvania and florida, key swing states. msnbc political correspondent, kasie hunt, sat down with five republican women in another swing state, virginia. she sits down with me now. what did you find out from talking to them. >> thank you. an interesting conversation with these five republican women all voted for mitt romney and supported mitt romney in 2012. two are staunch trump supporters and voted for trumpen the primary and plan to support him in the general election, two voted for different candidates in the republican primary and plan to vote for hillary clinton. one is still undecided who to support. i spent time talking to them about trump and clinton and allegati allegations donald trump is making on the campaign trail about hillary clinton's enab enabling, as he puts it, of her husbands scandals in the nan 90s. take a look.
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>> for me, at the end of the day, donald trump is not a republican. he came out this weekend and said he will raise taxes and raise minimum wage. those are things not republican. i don't field beholden to vote for him. >> would you vote for hillary clinton? >> if i have to at the end of the day, i feel it's my duty as an american to make sure donald trump is not an american. as painful as it is, if that means i have to vote for hillary clinton, i will do it. >> i hate that. i hate to hear that because i will do anything to not have hillary clinton in office. i mean, i think she is the worst choice. i think she is dishonest. too much of a machine going on with the clintons and we know bill clinton will be back in there with her. >> these are comments from donald trump moving to this general election, he talked about bill clinton's legacy with women and said hillary clinton was in some ways an enabler of
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this because of the way she treated women he was involved with. >> to me, i think that's ridiculous, blaming the woman because the husband made a bad choice. >> i can't comment on their relationship. they have a unique relationship and they are a machine and why she would never have left him. >> do you think that history or enab enabling, would that reflect on the job she could do as president sxwrks do you think. >> i cannot imagine bill clinton being back in the white house again. >> both sides of scandal. it doesn't necessarily impact their ability to be a leader >>. >> exactly. >> you saw a little bit of a generational divide there with one of the older women in the room clearly having stronger memories in the bill clinton white house than some of the older women who felt it shouldn't impact what is going on and we had a discussion about
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donald trump's own past. the women i talked to raised the issue of. donald trump's multipe marriages and public affairs. they argued in the end, neither one of those things should really matter in this voting booth, at least those at this point not sure are undecided voter making that argument, kate. >> kasie hunt in washington. we want to go back to that news we just mentioned. joe biden the vice president weighing in with "abc news" s saying he believes hillary clinton will be the nominee and will be the president. here's what he just said. >> you bring up the next president. we're anxious to see -- >> who she is. i feel confident hillary will be the nominee and confident she'll be the next president. >> for more on the democratic race, let's bring in senior editor, beth, in the newsroom. you heard joe biden in some ways stating what might be obvious, i don't want to offend the sanders camp, as you look at the map and
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where we are today and west virginia voting and what's coming. >> that was an important endorsement. joe biden badly wanted to be president throughout his career and his decision not to run this time was hard and painful. he said that and his wife said that. for joe biden to come out and say he supports hillary clinton, she will be the nominee and it's an important moment for hillary clinton. >> maybe a little bit of pressure on bernie sanders. >> exactly. exactly. >> walk me through, how do we get there at this point? how does she get this nomination locked up. >> even though we've been saying this for weeks by delegate math she will get there, she has a tough month ahead. she will probably lose west virginia tonight, a very white state and states are bernie sanders has done well and kentucky went for her in '08 but probably against her and in oregon, a liberal state where sanders will do well. she will probably not see
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none of us can stand by when a state enters the business of legislating identity and insists that a person pretend to be something or someone that they are not. >> that was u.s. attorney general loretta lynch speaking out against north carolina's controversial bathroom law. there are now dueling lawsuits, doj suine ining north carolina the law violates the rights of transgender americans and north
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carolina governor mccrory on behalf of the state saying the feds overstepped their authority. in north carolina for us, tony, what are you hearing there? >> reporter: hello, kate, i'm in mecca, one of the oldest restaurants in town. legislators and residents have been coming here to talk things through since before the era. the owner is behind me. it is equivalent to the issue in 1960s and countertops and bathro bathrooms, equal access to people of all races. that framing of the issues is a hot button one, very uncomfortable for all people. someone on the other side, supporter of the governor's h b-2 initiative to keep transgender people from using the bathroom of their choice. they didn't want to talk to me here because they felt it was so unfair and took me up to the bathroom. here's how it was framed.
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take a listen. >> what the obama administration is trying to do should only be done by congress. congress has not expanded the definition of sex in title 7 or title 9 to include gender identity. these are laws passed by the representatives of the people and the obama administration cannot unilaterally change the definition of the word sex. >> reporter: now, kate, natio l nationally, the polls show the majority of americans believe the attorney general. they support her opinion that gender identity is innate. talking to people all day in north carolina, it's not the same perspective. back to you. >> tony in north carolina. coming up, the story about facebook trending on facebook. they find theirselves in a political firestorm by former employees of suppressing tre trending stories from its tre trending feed. more on that after a quick break.
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facebook responded to the allegations saying they have found no evidence that the anonymous allegations are true. for more now i'm joined by the editor in chief for the verge and msnbc's cal perry. neil, i'll start with you. i may have gotten that quote a little bit wrong, but the allegation is that they buried things off of trending. they didn't let them come up as a trending item. i thought it was whatever people are looking at is trending. >> when we're talking about facebook, there are two pieces of trending that are important. what most people think of as trending in the mobile app, in the timeline, that's user generated, that's things people share and they trend and show up there. this story is about the trending news box on a desktop website.
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and that has a team of human beings who write the headlines, put things in the box, and facebook says that is still mostly driven by an algorithm. we had a reporter at facebook headquarters today and facebook told him the goal is still absolute personalization. that those human beings are actually an implementation detail and they could one day be replaced by an algorithm. >> that means human beings are kurating what's trending and they get to make a certain amount of decisions? >> yes. let me give you an example. right now, the number one trending story on facebook is the story about facebook potentially suppressing conservative media topics. so that algorithm right now is what's running this page. and it hasn't been curated out. the algorithm is in charge and that's exactly the defense that people like tom stocky, who is the vice president in charge of trending topics is saying.
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he's saying, we have the algorithm, it runs the thing. >> but the problem is that that's not what people thought it was. people thought it was purely the algorithm with no human intervention. >> right. and i think you see that happen a lot in media companies. facebook has another product, a messaging service where you can ask it things, there's human beings on the other side of that, talking to you back. someone has to write the headlines, someone has to verify some of the sources. that's part of the process there. but most of what people see on facebook, the main timeline, the news feed, the important part, that is all algorithmically driven. >> cal, what's the reaction like? >> a lot of reaction. for mill enials almost 80% get their news online. we have our first lawsuit from a conservative radio host and the u.s. senate has sent a letter to
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facebook requesting more information on this, it's not a legally binding letter, but certainly they're starting to investigate. >> all right, it is trending. thanks, guys for being with us. >> that's going to do it with me for this hour. at 5:00 eastern, we'll have special coverage of tonight's west virginia and nebraska primary results. stay tuned for that. but first my colleague steve kornacki picks up right after this. t. (cannon sound) mobility is very important to m that's why i use e*trade mobile. it's on all my mobile devices, so it suits my mobile lifestyle. and it keeps my investments fully mobile... even when i'm on the move... ahhh. (vo) on the trane testange, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so fully reliable.
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happen? more on the surprising comments from ted cruz there in just a minute. don't forget today is a primary day. we're now an hour away from the first round of exit polling numbers from the state of west virginia. little bit of suspense there on the democratic side. recent polling shows bernie sanders running ahead of hillary clinton in that state. plus, tonight, the republicans gonna get their turn out in nebraska. on the republican side, the west virginia race looks pretty straightforward today. even before ted cruz and john kasich dropped out last week, donald trump was expected to win west virginia in a landslide. but that nebraska contest could be very interesting tonight. before cruz got out, he was generally considered the favorite to beat trump in nebraska and even though he suspended his campaign, his name is still on the ballot today. so republicans there are free to vote for cruz if they want to. and that's something to keep an eye on tonight. how many republicans


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