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con, having to say sorry about him in hundreds of different languages. >> pro, could cruz kasich, cr , cruz, -- >> good morning. with us on set -- >> how are you doing? >> oh, my gosh. we have some political news to report. >> trump, of course, wins. but bernie, big wins for bernie, too. this guy is not going away. >> keeps on winning. >> it's like she's losing to win and he's winning to lose. >> it's a reverse of 2008, isn't it? it's just like barack obama. you kept hearing all barack obama has to do is win texas and it's over and hillary would win. all he has to do is win ohio.
all he has to do is pennsylvania -- once they get to know him in pennsylvania. no, she kept winning. bernie sanders is doing the same thing. >> except obama -- clinton was closer to obama than sanders is to clinton at this point and it did work out for obama in the end. >> it did. made him a better candidate. this will probably make clinton a better candidate. >> as you can see we had legendary gene robinson. former communications director for george bush nicolle wallace. >> sarah palin. sarah palin. >> she's back. >> is she can'tering people. >> political analyst gene robinson. >> not surprisingly, donald
trump won both nebraska and virginia primaries last night. still about 20% of voters cast ballots for ted cruz. yesterday we brought you numbers that showed an incredibly close race between donald trump and hillary clinton in swing states key to winning the presidency. the national numbers from the latest nbc news survey monkey tracking poll gave clinton a 5 point lead over trump. a look at key groups shows just how divided the electorate really is. on race, trump wins white vote, 52-41%. clinton has a 77% lead with black voters. 86% to 9%. a 2-1 percentage among hispanic voters. 61 to 28%. the candidates face a stark gender gap. trump, 11, trump carries men by
11 point margin. the question of income, voters who earn less than $50,000 a year back clinton by 19 points. 56% to trump's 37%. those making over $100,000 are about evenly split 47% for clinton, 48% by trump. broken down by age voters under 45 picked clinton, 56 to 38%. >> all right. we can do this by -- pretty soon we're going to do it by eye color. >> yeah. >> i want to go back to the main poll, charts. you was off yesterday. gene, i have to do it once a year. i have to separate my unfiltered cigarettes from my filtered cigarettes. i don't smoke, mom and dad. everything, i was shocked. clinton is actually losing to donald trump despite these horrible demographics we've all talked about.
it's going to kill him, going to crush him. i've been saying it. everybody has been saying it. he's ahead in ohio. >> yeah, look, the poll, quinnipiac poll was a big surprise to a lot of people in those battleground states. it showed trump potentially a little bit ahead. people have questions about the poll. my view is that it would be foolish for the clinton campaign to ignore bad news because it's bad news and say we don't want to believe this. they need to look at these numbers and figure out what's potentially going on and why this was turning up. it was a big surprise. >> a big surprise. mika, i'll tell you also, people saying quinnipiac poll over sampled, why? i was shocked by nbc survey monkey showed it a 5% race when it was a 13% race last week.
there's a consolidation going on. key states, 1 point in pennsylvania. he's looking better in a lot of polls than mitt romney did down the stretch. >> this is really before they start going after each other. >> this is when has he a 56% disapproval rating. >> trump's negatives are historically high, unbelievable high. hillary clinton's negatives are also very high. i think one possible interpretation of this poll is that it's not okay for the clinton campaign to say his are higher, therefore we're going to be fine. hers, i think, are clearly having an impact. that's something the campaign is going to have to deal with, address. >> there's also another possibility here, voters exhaustion. people responding to both candidates after a very long primary campaign with extended numbers of debates. people tuning it right out.
there's one thing in the underbelly of that campaign, i was surprised hillary clinton's support among women isn't higher than it is. >> same with hispanics, who are 28% of hispanics supporting donald trump. i haven't met them frankly. >> we're going to hear joe biden, paul manafort, a lot of things that happened in the last 24 hours. hillary clinton increasingly fighting two front at once, continued primary challenge bernie sanders and donald trump who is increasingly using personal trumps. here is senior strategist paul manafort hinting at more to come. >> he said hillary clinton did nasty terrible things to these women that were alleged to have relationships with her husband. did she or did she not do that. >> he'll be talking about those in the campaign. >> how does he know? >> i believe in him. >> you believe everything he
said is true. >> he told you stuff he knows about clintons and back unreported behavior he will bring out. >> we have talked about the hypocrisy of hillary clinton playing the female card and his willingness to expose that card for what it is. >> what is this thing about hillary clinton married to somebody who is an abuser of women. how do you make that case? >> stay tuned. >> you got a case? >> stay tuned. >> have you heard his case? >> we have things we'll be talking about in this campaign where we will not be letting her get away with playing the female card. >> insulting women. i don't care what he says about me but i do resent what he says about other people, other successful women. women who have worked hard. women who have done their part. we are, after all, 51% of the country. >> they are doing to get really ugly. >> it's going to get really bad. >> it's going to be bad. it's going to be bad quick.
>> yeah. >> you talked about voter exhaustion now. the campaign hasn't really even started. >> they are apparently going to throw just the kitchen sink at them and they are going to start early. it's not going to be a knocked over surprise, nicolle, they are going to come out at him, bill clinton. we said for sometime, we don't know whether hillary clinton is going to win this or not, but we do know for bill clinton it's going to be a horrid six months. >> we have a little history to look at, how he acts now in his post presidency. he's a little more prickly than he was when he was a candidate. you look at the cycle, candidates out of practice, jeb bush, hillary, people who aren't in the fight and arena with social media and constant precious with everyone with a phone being a journalist have not thrived and have not thrived under the white hot glare of
trump's onslaught. i think clintons should be in trump university studying how to survive. >> there's no studying for this, no strategy, no nothing they can do. >> what do you mean? >> there's no preparation. i really hope they are not trying to prepare for this, because they will never, ever be able to get inside her heart and her head in terms of what she needs to do with this when it happens? >> there's an agility her republican opponents, certainly have the benefit of looking at the 16 people he defeated and understanding there's an agility and nimbleness they all lacked that she could certainly adapt. the clintons -- before there was trump, the people who were more willing to do anything it took to win were named clinton. so the people who used to be the ones best at taking on strategies to defeat their opponent used to be named bill and hillary clinton.
>> here is the problem, even in the best circumstances of 2008, bill clinton was hard to control, hard to handle. remember up in new hampshire when he gave that horrid speech. even in the best of circumstances, here they are going to be leveling charges that are going to be shocking even by bill clinton's standards, from what we hear, and how does hillary clinton team control bill clinton? do they do what the obama team did to joe biden in 2008, put him on a plane and put -- give him an iphone and let him listen to music so he doesn't say anything? >> nicolle said, the clintons got where they are by being adaptable, fitting what they say, what they do for the circumstances and to their advantage. i have a feeling bill clinton learned something in 2008. you know, he made mistakes and he was very defensive about that for a while.
my guess would be that he has internalized some of that, so won't make the exact same mistakes. >> they have already compared him to bill cosby in instagram. it's going to be -- he's doing to be -- we're going to have two battles going on, trust me. we're going to have hillary clinton fighting for the white house and bill clinton fighting to save his legacy. after trump, "the new york times" reported, just put out an instagram video of him and a couple of tweets. his approval rating, which he's been working on his entire life, he lives to see that approval rating go up, went from 51% to 38%. can you imagine what it's going to look like in the fall? also for political reasons, can you imagine the nightmare it's going to be for hillary clinton's campaign team to stop him from going out and swinging
back in a way that could make things worse. >> i think there's a whole unspoken part of this for decades that's going to be spoken in plain english. it's going to be the part of the conversation everyone is afraid to have or too polite to have or too blind to have. >> i don't know. read the column. she's had it. that's the kind of discussion we're all doing to have to have. >> it could do either way. it could purge these resentments, these unsaid things and make the press feel better about her or damage her. >> it could actually help her a lot if she can use it correctly. >> kasie hunt did a focus group with a group of republican women the other day, yesterday, and i don't know if we have any of that. >> did some yesterday. >> we showed it yesterday. >> it was really quite
interesti interesting. they talked about bill and hillary's relationship. there was a lot of sympathy, solidarity with hillary clinton. it could be very much to her advantage. >> the assault is going to come against bill clinton. the response is going to have to come from hillary clinton. >> it has to. >> that will be the guide post as to where she's going to -- how she's going to navigate this in the fall. >> them there's this trump, donald trump opened up another front yesterday on instagram, a video about the deadly attack on the american embassy in benghazi. >> we've seen over an internet video. >> she lied to me. she told me it was the fault of the video. >> she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of your son. >> so she did say to you that the benghazi attack was caused
by protests? >> absolutely. >> i don't know why that's funny. >> the trump campaign confirmed to nbc news that they made the video. the clinton campaign tlind to comment to nbc news. >> this is the sort of thing that's coming at you nonstop. >> and it cuts. >> we'll see. we'll see how agile they are going to be. >> we have a lot of other news to report. trump says he's down to five picks for vice president. also, bernie sanders won last night, couple of primaries. we have his comments. he made some pretty stinging comments about hillary clinton. >> bernie sanders? >> yes, he did. they were really -- >> he's not going to go quietly into that dark night. >> no, he's not. >> not only is he not going to go quietly, if you look at the crowd and look at the attention he's stronger. >> i wonder if -- who knows.
is he thinking about an independent bid? >> no. he says no. he says no. >> i mean, because if one of these republicans like mitt romney or paul ryan or somebody jumped in on the republican side and bernie jumped in on the democratic side, you would have a four-way three-dimensional -- where any four of those people could be president of the united states. >> and we'd never sleep again. ever. >> never sleep again. that's how we do it in europe. >> what is sleep? what is this thing called sleep? >> still ahead on "morning joe," ap's julie pace who broke the list for donald trump's running mate. tom cole on gop struggle to find its center. tonight joe's band playing in connecticut on behalf of a great cause. horizons provides children with
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democrats but independents according to exit polling. they made up a third of the electorate. of sanders voters, 33% said they would choose trump over senate from vermont if they faced off in the general. this is fascinating. taking a look at the delegate count, sanders picked up 16 to clinton's 11 in west virginia. according to nbc news, clinton 6 superdelegates to sanders 1 superdelegate. they tied 17-17 in the state. after his win, sanders went on to speak at a rally in sanders, oregon, in front of a crowd of about 4,000 people. he celebrated his victory and did not let up his pressure on hillary clinton targeting wealthy donors. >> we have now won primaries and caucuses lynn 19 states. and let me be as clear as i can be, we are in this campaign to
win the democratic nomination. one of the waltons made a campaign contribution to secretary clinton of hundreds of thousands of dollars. i say to that family maybe instead of making large campaign contributions to secretary clinton, pay your workers a living wage. >> wow, that's some tough top. mike barnicle. >> well, bernie sanders is on the ride of his life. he's 73 years old. he's held these beliefs for 72 of those 73 years. he is capable of raising millions of dollars in small contributions from ordinary people over and over and over again. his message is resonating throughout the country. he is not doing anywhere. he is not giving up. he's going to be at that convention in philadelphia
fighting for that platform. he's already managed to push hillary clinton more to the left than she ever intended to go to the left. >> he will keep her there through the convention. >> yes. >> i thought that just that sound bite alone was stinging. >> i think if she loses this much against donald trump we'll look back to this period when democratic party didn't have stomach mathematical. including two of his own we led the show w i don't know how any politician, even a teflon like clinton politician bounces back from this period. >> only one has taken money from wall street. so bernie makes that argument to
salem, oregon, donald picks them up in manhattan and instagrams them. so it starts to sink in that she's the favorite candidate of wall street. >> or the representation of the past, which hasn't worked well for most of middle america, whether it's been a democrat in office or republican, people have been let down. people feel they have been lied to. people have not done better, and their kids are not doing better. that is where we are. that's the reality. >> the rigged argument trump and sanders make in concert with each other. we talked about independent voters, women voters determine the outcome of the election. nothing more convincing than hearing an attack from a democrat and then a republican. you think it must be true. >> hillary clinton drew her own big crowds in louisville, kentucky. her campaign has made a six-figure ad buy in the state. according to data obtained by nbc news. in spite of her campaign's shift
in focus to trump in the months to come. >> if i'm fortunate enough to be the nominee, i am looking forward to debating donald trump come the fall. >> she's projecting that, then why is she spending money in tv ads in kentucky. sounds to me like she understands we're in this race. nine more primary and caucus contests. >> that's a question. do you focus on donald trump, which would be my instinct. she has the math on her size. focus on donald trump. do you worry about losing kentucky like you lost west virginia. i would say in the end it didn't matter was four years ago hillary clinton, whatever county in west virginia, she cleaned up in kentucky. at the end of the day, it just didn't matter. i think you have to look past your primary opponent that you
have already, for the most part, mathematically beaten and go straight to donald trump. but that's a question. right now they are trying to figure out. >> it hasn't worked for anybody. >> what? >> going after trump. >> actually nobody has gone after trump the right way. >> okay. what's the right way? >> you don't go after trump halfway. if you're in a nuclear war, right, you don't say, you know what, we might bring out some tanks. you respond with a nuclear war and say, okay, you may destroy me. i'm going to destroy you. go all. it's mutually assured destruction and not one single republican knew how to do it, not of those 16. holding press conferences, he's so bad for the party. no, don't tell it to the press. tell it to him. punch him in the face.
>> but you've always said it's almost impossible to run against someone who has nothing to lose or has no experience. >> you have to put your self in a position where you have have nothing to lose. have you to tell yourself, you know what, i mayday but if he pushes me off the top of the building, i'm going to grab him by the throat and he's coming down with me. not that i've thought that before or said that in negotiations. but that's how you have to do it. none of these guys did it. none of them went all the way in. we've all seen political candidates that have just been -- they didn't want to get their hands dirty. and we've had others that were willing -- like ted cruz. if ted cruz could show an ounce of humanity instead of reading from scripts and gone after him. >> he might jump back in, by the way. >> even, go back to the beginning of the stop trump when some of his opponents started to
make arguments against him. rubio tried it, jeb tried it. if any of them had said, i am going to lose the republican primary but i'm not going down alone, i'm taking you down with me as a service to my party and a service to my country. you are reckless, dangerous, you can't learn what you need to learn in a post 9/11, you're coming with me, pal. they could have. no one was willing to put that much skin in the game. kasich, rubio, cruz. >> guess who would have done it if the roles were divorced. donald trump. >> george bush. >> george w. bush. i said it all along. trump wins because he doesn't fear losing. you know -- >> that's business, by the way. you lose all the time. >> a league of women's voters group up in connecticut, i was
saying -- they were talking about what makes a great politician. i said political equivalent to what martin luther king said. a man who does not fear death is dangerous. you can do -- i didn't quote it perfectly but you actually are untethered. that's been one of donald trump's secrets. if i lose it just helps my brand. it just helps my businesses. >> had a great life. i believe it. >> donald trump has no fear of losing because he's lost multiple times in the past. >> that's business. >> he has no fear of losing. it's interesting you mention jeb bush because of all the candidates who stood on those stages, 16, 17 of them last august, september, october, he more than any of the others had the ability and the background to take down donald trump. if he had just looked into the camera and indicated that my brother was president of the united states during one of the
most tumultuous times in american history. we were attacked on this soil. the world is a dangerous place. this is a dangerous man. do not let him put his hands -- >> you don't have to pick me but whatever you do, for the love of god, don't pick him. and go down. >> so that's -- we'll see if the clinton team learned from the mistakes of 16 others. i don't know. i think you're kind of born with it or you're not born with it. i don't know that hillary has it. but she -- >> i think that somebody could jump in right now and change the dimension of the future of this country in a way that we just can't even predict. i really do. >> i spoke yesterday with the former chairman of the democratic state party in a fairly significant state who told me, and he's been in the business for a long, long time, that he has never seen a moment in american politics where the situation and the landscape is so ripe for an independent
candidacy. >> that's right. that's right. >> that's probably true. >> absolutely. it just feels like it actually -- it feels natural. >> the question is, does it come from the left? does it come from the right? >> does it matter? you've got all this -- >> everything crosses. you can't even say that a third party -- >> it would have to be some be who wasn't thinking left or right. >> and would take from clinton and -- >> coming up how would will mcevoy of hbo's the newsroom make the argument donald trump is the best candidate for hillary clinton to face in the general? our friends at with all due respect break the fake newsman out of retirement to make the case. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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with all due respect how the cantankerous anchor of hbo's "the newsroom" will make the point hillary clinton is the best to defeat trump in the fall. jeff daniels role based on the most famous scene. >> can you say in one sentence or less -- you know what i mean, can you say why donald trump is the best case scenario for hillary clinton? >> well, i think for the first time in election history, i think her opponent might donate
to her campaign. >> i'm going to hold you to the answer on that. what makes donald trump the best case scenario for hillary clinton? >> jeff, i'm not going to let you go back to the airport -- >> because he's not the best case scenario, john. that's my answer. donald trump is a fact bending lose cannon who alienates mainstream voters with everything he says. he gets constant media attention for free. won't be a day from now until november when trump isn't on every tv channel. with a straight face you're going to tell me that electing a woman is unprecedented. germany elected a female chancellor, brazil elected denmark, policyholder, korea, argentina, norway, liberia, cypress run by women. 22 sovereign states in the world have already beat us on this. >> all right. >> check out the whole scene on with all due respect tonight on
6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. >> that's one way -- >> very seen the episode. i don't know if he had that all in his head but it was a great scene. >> true in some ways to reality but i don't know. >> coming up next, tom cole says he's going to support republican nominee for president adding, quote, it's pretty much as simple as that. why does his colleague paul ryan find it more complicated. we'll be right back talking about those complications when "morning joe" returns.
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sides seemed ready and willing to negotiate. >> he's a very good man. he wants what's good for the party. i think we're going to have very positive results. i look, frankly, for him to stay and be chairman. >> you think, and i know you have to say this, he's going to fall in line, endorse you, be at the convention and everything will be fine. that's the likely scenario. >> i don't think fall into line is the right words. i think he loves this party, he loves this country and he wants to see something good happen. i think we'll do better if we're unified. >> i don't go into thursday with huge expectations just to have the kind of conversation we need to start having so we are getting our selves on the same page as the party so we're full strength this fall. i assume that's what donald wants as well. >> i think most of my members believe he's won the nomination the old-fashioned way. he got more votes than anybody
else and we respect voices of primary voters across the country. we'll sit down and talk about the way forward. >> you know, i think the media is going to try to force some sort of false expectation coming out of the paul ryan meeting. i think paul ryan is exactly right. they don't have to go all the way to like unifying that day. i think it would be a goodwin for them to go out shaking hands. we're going to keep talking and we're going to keep moving towards uniting to beat hillary clinton. >> what's a win for paul ryan? on the one hand, there's pressure on him to support the nominee. on the other hand he does have that part of the republican establishment that is never trump. the never trump movement hasn't accomplished a dam thing. but it's there.
>> the closer they get to having to vote for donald trump or hillary clinton, the closer -- the more this will most likely -- people like paul ryan will have to fall in line. people like donald trump are going to have to negotiate and figure out a way to let each side out of the corner and meet in the middle. i'm pretty sure it's going to happen. >> have you ever seen a meeting like this where they came out and said, it went terrible. they had a fistfight. we'll never speak again. >> paul ryan is the kind of republican you were talking about earlier. when he was faced with will i be the speaker or not, he said, reject me. i don't want it. when he was faced -- so he is the kind of leader who can say to donald trump you don't have to change your views but i don't either. so they are two strong
principled figures with very different views on issues of trade, issues of foreign policy, issues of entitle men. i think what you're saying is it can be a success without anyone converting anyone. our party is falling down the rabbit hole, if we don't bring everyone around to building a wall and banning muslims we fail a a party. >> congressman tom cole of oklahoma, will support republican nominee for president. tom, before we get to that, your oklahoma district just took a severe hit from weather. how are your constituents doing? >> thank you for bringing that up. they are doing well. sadly we're pretty experienced and good at this. we did have some loss of life. nothing as devastating as we did in 2013. fortunately most of the tornadoes were in rural areas. no towns with major hits, so we'll get through it okay. like every oklahoman, we're happy thunder won over the spurs so we're in good shape.
>> all right. good to hear. let's talk about donald trump and the impact on the republican party, your republican party and my republican party. the front page of the "washington post" this morning talks about senators in once safe seats now fearing for their political future. missouri senator not going to the convention, just like john mccain and several others. you've got states like arizona, north carolina, missouri that would normally be safe, now are not safe. does donald trump make it harder for these republican senators to get re-elected? >> no, i don't think so. look, i think the volatility in the political inform is what's putting every incumbent in both parties in danger. there's a lot of anger in washington, d.c. i don't think this is particularly associated with donald trump. indeed he's partly a product of that deeper phenomenon. pleemg for -- people look for an
outsider, change, that's -- >> have you been going to the convention? >> i haven't missed one since '76, i'm certainly not going to miss this one. >> will you go there as unconditional supporter of donald trump. >> look, i said at the beginning of the process i'm support the nominee regardless. assuming it is and it would take an act of god for it not to be at this point. i'll vote for him in november. >> what if independent candidate you're more in line with ideology. >> i think it's awful late for that. look, i think you've got three choices. you can vote for hillary clinton and elect her and lose presidency, supreme court, maybe senate, maybe the house. you can vote for donald trump. we have a much better chance of being successful in the senate and house. or you can vote for a third party and that's almost always a wasted vote and i think it would be this time. >> you don't think conditions are ripe, actually, for a third
party when you look at the disapproval ratings of both candidates and actually look at both of these candidates and the reality that is taking place across the country and you look at bernie sanders crowds? you don't think this is ripe for a third party? >> that's not what i said. i think 1992 was ripe for a third party, too, but the third party didn't win. i don't see the likelihood that that would happen f it was a third party from the right, you're going to elect hillary clinton. third party from the left, you're going to elect donald trump. so i think at the end of the day, that will actually push at least the traditional republican and democratic leaders toward their nominee. >> congressman, everyone is making a big deal of this meeting that's going to take place thursday. elements of the republican leadership, donald trump. you know paul ryan fairly well, you've worked with him for quite some time. what would be one or two of the most vivid differences philosophically and
ideologically between the speaker and donald trump. >> obviously as paul himself pointed out. they differed on the muslim issue earlier in the campaign. probably their tone and style, to say the least is contrasting. on the other hand there's a lot of common ground there, too. they both want tax reform. while they may have some different ideas on foreign policy, they both think the obama foreign policy has been a file you're. -- failure. at the end of the day they are both going to have to sing from the same sheet of music. they don't have to agree with one another on everything but they have to find common ground of i think this discussion will lead them in that direction. >> one of the things we did as a party after losing two presidential campaigns was what we, robert, morbidly called an autopsy. its findings, we need to bring more women and people of color into the party. does that effort become easier or harder with donald trump as
our nominee. >> it becomes different. >> do you think it's possible? >> look, i think this year just about anything is possible. you saw the polls yesterday morning. the national polls, they were within five points of one another in the swing states you had trump up by three and ohio down by one in florida and pennsylvania. those are pretty impressive numbers. it suggests to me that there's a lot of coming together on the republican side. again, there's a lot of work to do here. the speaker was exactly right when he said we shouldn't pretend we're unified when we're not. i think everybody is making the right moves. i was very impressed with mr. trump's tone in talking about the upcoming meeting. very impressed with paul ryan being open. look, we're not going to have a situation in my view where we have a republican speaker that presides over a convention and doesn't support the nominee. nor can we afford in the fall campaign with so much at stake to have our nominee and our speaker on having a major riff.
the political, going to have to succeed, awfully competitive and awfully close fall election. >> congressman is kevin durant going to re-sign with the thunder? >> absolutely. no doubt about that. this is washington fantastic sichlt we love him and love his mom and want to keep them in oklahoma city where they belong. >> some of us want him to come home. >> hey, eugene, he is home. >> fighting words. >> okay, guys. thank you so much. always great to have you on the show. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," most political analysts marvel at the data driven tactics that obama campaign was able to pull off to get elected. one person not impressed, donald trump. julie pace joins us with her interview with the republican front-runner. costa and hallie jackson will join the conversation. "morning joe" is coming right
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if circumstances change, we'll assess changed circumstances but i appreciate the eagerness and excitement of all the folks in the media to see me back in the ring but you may have to wait a little bit longer. >> you missed him. >> i have. missed you, ted. no. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday may 11th. with us we have on set former communications director for george w. bush nicolle wallace. pulitzer prize winning columnist associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson. capitol hill political reporter for the post and msnbc analyst robert costa, julie pace. >> we have a lot going on. >> we have a lot going on. what do you think paul manafort is get at right there on that tv show with chris matthews. >> i don't know. >> talking about -- sounds like the kitchen sink is coming at us. >> yes, it is.
donald trump found success in the primaries with unconventional campaign and is planning more of the same in the general. yesterday trump told julie pace -- >> she's right here. hey, julie. >> hi. >> this is a coincidence. serendipity. >> maybe you can tell us. he's going to focus on big rallies, less on sophisticated data-driven operations that have become the staple of modern day campaigns. he says this, julie. i've always felt it was overrated. obama got the votes much more so than his data processing machine. and i think the same is true with me. >> let's stop right there. that's pretty staggering. that's like a physics professor saying we can do this without the math. come on, who needs the math. let's draw pictures. >> what's interesting about this, it was something obama campaign perfected during two elections. something rnc broadly looked at and tried to model. rnc sent people all over the
country to collect data information. they will be doing this for donald trump. when it comes to the money he's going to spend for his campaign, a lot of it presumably will be his own money. he's going to put that into rallies. he thinks that's the best use of his time. very little money spent on data. >> remarkable. in 2004, a good friend of yours started this, started this microtargeting. it was extraordinary what he did. some people believe, i believe, it made the difference and helped him win. you look at the koch brothers moving away from rnc in 2012. we'll do our own thing in 2014 because of data. what they did was help win seats in north carolina. data helped defeat kay hagan. we're in an age now. like saying those computer machines -- >> new-fangled thing. >> the obama team in their
campaigns made perfectly clear they were students -- the kim melman operation and pride new technology in advance, innovative beyond what kim melman, matthew dowd and sarah palin and others had done in the bush candidacy. this is so trump to be so absolutist. you certainly need the power of a personality, but what drives people to the polls is sort of the back side of that. he's going to try to do it without it, more success to him. if he fails, you may look back on this as one of the reasons why. >> i think he looks at the example from the primaries. everyone said you couldn't do it. everyone said you had to go to iowa, new hampshire, talk to people at diners, knock on doors. i had rallies, got thousands to
see me, neighbors told were how great i was. why should i expect to do anything different in the general election. that's the theory of the case. >> the question is, is the general election different from primaries. i believed it is. look at donald trump's poll numbers right now. maybe he's right again and everybody is wrong. >> the only way i think that he might be is that you can't discount math. you can't discount what needs to be put in place to build the structure of a campaign and spread the word, spread the message and get votes unless you destroy everybody and there's no one left. >> well, unless he actively stops his campaign and stops rnc from doing the data work, right? does that actually mean anything? rnc is going to be out with its data operation trying to get its voters to the polls. >> the down ballot race. >> exactly. exactly. >> i think one of the differences, both with what the bush campaigns did and obama
campaigns did, they took this in house. you get a level of precision and candidate buy-in. can you see here is the data, go to x county, why you need to be doing these interviews with these television stations. you you get the candidate to buy in. how is it separate from candidate based on his own financial investment, you can't guarantee he's going to follow through with what the data tells you. >> so trump gave his thoughts on the republican convention, quote, the concept of some entertainment from a great singer, a great group i would think would be something maybe to break things up. hold on, hold on, hold on, don't laugh. >> i was about to say -- >> i'm excited for it, because we never get great singers. >> i was about to say the same thing as you. don't laugh. a radical thing might happen if you have the guy that was like in prime time for 14 tv seasons,
you may actually have a convention people watch. i think people will actually watch the convention if trump and mark burnett are in charge of it. >> absolutely. this has become a problem with these conventions in both parties. you have this prime time space that's given to conventions and you basically just have a series of politicians that get up there and give speeches. >> and go to the networks and give speeches. i think they were relieved a hurricane was coming and they got to bail on the first night of programming. you sit there and beg, beg, please, we'll be awesome, so titillating, no one will switch and watch "house hunters." now you've got trump and i can't imagine any of those things happening. >> he knows how to put on a show. he knows what makes good television. part of the convention is having good television that draws people in. >> often people don't know how hard that is to execute and what kind of a big mind that takes to sort of really be able to
produce something huge. >> let's be clear, some of it is like watching for a train wreck. it will be huge but also the television industry appreciates that anything can happen. >> i will tell you a chair on stage was also a train wreck, massive train wreck and it didn't take a lot of brains to put that together. paul manafort. >> how did they not stop that. >> well, you couldn't look away in their defense. >> i think you could. i was -- >> i watched that whole damn chair. >> so paulmanafort, i was talking about winning by destroying the opponent. here is paul manafort on speaking with chris matthews on whether rnc will go along with riveting convention. here is what he said. >> break some eggs. reince priebus is going to give an exciting convention? >> donald trump. >> how? movies? >> we're going to put a program
together. it's not put together yet. >> reality show. >> ultimate reality show, it's the presidency of the united states. >> presidency of the united states, talks about breaking eggs, throwing kitchen sink at the clintons. bob caosta, how ugly is it goin to get? >> an appetizer for the general election. part of the concern and concerns of candidates across the country, as much as this will be a showcase for trump in cleveland, they also want to introduce young rising party stars. they want to make sure they underscore some of the republican party platform and its policy positions. so having that balance between trump's desire for entertainment and the party's desire to showcase itself, i think that's going to be one of the central tensions. it's going to be really key to see if the party can emerge out of that convention. >> how does that play out? who makes the final decision? is it trump that makes the final decision or priebus. >> donald trump is now the head of the republican party. for the moment priebus and trump
and the trump people are working together. they met at the rnc this week. manafort is going to be in cleveland over the next few days. so relationships are cordial and professional but that's something everyone is watching. >> all right. hillary clinton is increasingly fighting two front at once. the continued primary challenge from bernie sanders and her likely general election opponent donald trump who is increasingly using personal attacks. here is trump senior strategist paul manafort yesterday on hardball hinting at more to come. >> said hillary clinton did nasty, terrible things to these women who alleged to have relationships with her husband. did she or did she not do that? >> he'll be talking about those in the campaigns. >> does he know what he's talking about? >> he definitely does. >> how do you know? >> i believe in him. >> you believe everything. >> he told me thinks. >> he told you stuff about clintons and back unreported behavior he will bring out. >> we have talked about the
hypocrisy of hillary clinton playing the female card and his willingness to expose that card for what it is. >> what is this thing about hillary clinton being married to somebody who is an abuser of women. how do you make that case? >> stay tuned. >> have you got a case? >> stay tuned. >> have you heard his case. >> we have things that we'll be talking about in this campaign where we will not be letting her get away with playing the female card. >> insulting women, i don't care what he says about me but i do resent what he says about other people, other successful women. women who have worked hard. women who have done their part. we are, after all, 51% of the country. >> so what do you think of paul manafort's interview with chris matthews. >> i think that there's a lot coming. i think there's going to be going in an area that has never been discussed before. i think we learn new things. that's at least what i've heard.
i find kind of repugnant he thinks it's musing. >> i think that he is going to have to connect the dots here a bit, trump is. i think if he's going to throw out this idea that bill clinton's behavior reflects negatively on hillary clinton in terms of what she would do for the country as president, he is going to have to make a connection there. i think she's honing in a bit on a counter-argument. i can take it, i don't care what he says about me. i do care what he says about other women when he insults more successful women. i think this is going to be a struggle for her. he has the ability to change the argument, flip it. he's very flexible. i don't know if one consistent argument from her is going to hold up for six months. >> nicolle, what's the danger for the trump team? >> the danger for the trump team, i think their brand is about the future. burn the boats, let's do everything differently. this is so far in the past that, you know, young voters don't
even remember all of this. you can easily go online and read all about it. i think it pulls him into an era that he's disparaged every day since he's been a candidate. he's made the past precisely what he's running again and precisely what he's not. to make his whole campaign purpose a rehashing and relitigation of the past is risky for him. >> especially, gene, when it was talked about in 1989, end of impeachment by the time bill clinton left office back in realtime when this was all people were talking about for a year, his approval ratings in the 60s. >> approval ratings went up. i think there's a danger for attacking a woman for things her husband did. i think that's a real danger zone. you talk -- trump has a problem with women voters now. i think that potentially could get a lot worse. i think that potentially gets a
loss worse. you know, you can really make people sympathetic to hillary clinton, even people who were not inclined to like her politics can become very sympathetic to her as a person. >> is this a bluff? is he bluffing? >> i think it could be. >> listen, we go here. here we go. i think like you said, we are going to talk about things that have been whispered about. let's face it, we've all heard things, but they have not been things dignified with newspaper coverage. one of his gifts is he brings whisper campaigns to the mainstream media because he is the nominee for the republican party. he'll say things that in the past have only been sort of fodder for gossip and maybe the tabloids, he will inject them into the mainstream. i wouldn't underestimate him either. i think he'll have some success. i think that success may be more in the category of animating republicans than healing his
real wounds which are with undecided independent women voters. >> that's what i was going to ask you, republicans on the hill concerned about this scorched attitude towards hillary clinton or do you think they are going to embrace it? >> i think it's more of the latter. i was on capitol hill the other day. a lot of people say, if anything, the attacks against secretary clinton, venom in which the trump campaign goes after clintons, that is something that's going to rouse voters, conservatives, who may be skeptical about trump when it comes to ideology. the political attacks they think can be the thread that binds. >> what are you hearing from paul ryan's camp about thursday's meeting? >> i'm hearing that ryan is not going to make any sort of policy demands. he knows he probably couldn't get any concessions from trump. what he wants is peace. he wants trump to at least help in his relationship with the house, his tone, the substance of his message to be a republican and to be someone who is not -- someone who maybe pulls down some house seats in purple and blue districts.
does ryan suspect there will be peace at the end. >> it's hard. they are realists. they realize trump is unpredictable. if they can have himself a tent, see themselves as ally of congressional republicans, maybe things will turn out better than they hoped. >> bernie sanders won west virginia democratic primary last night. he was projected to win the state and likely benefited from comments hillary clinton made about the coal industry earlier this year. sanders strongest support was not from democrats but independents. that's according to exit polling. they made up about a third of the electorate. after his win in virginia sanders went on to speak at a rally in salem, oregon, in front of a crowd of about 4,000 people. he celebrated his victory and did not let up on his pressure of hillary clinton, targeting wealthy donors. >> we have now won primaries and caucuses in 19 states.
and let me be as clear as i can be, we are in this campaign to win the democratic nomination. one of the waltons made a campaign contribution to secretary clinton of hundreds of thousands of dollars. i say to that family, maybe instead of making large campaign contributions to secretary clinton, pay your workers a living wage. >> that's a tough message, a message that will never be carried into the general election campaign by either hillary clinton or donald trump. so gene, i want to circle back here. if bernie sanders is an independent, and he is. he's not a democrat. if bernie sanders has that massive turnout still wherever he goes, if bernie sanders wins
all the states that are opened up to independent voters, like we saw he lost among democrats last night according to nbc exit polls but he won because the independents were all on his side, why wouldn't this guy run as an independent? >> because he couldn't win? >> who says? >> well -- >> what if a conservative runs on the other side. >> okay. so if you've got four candidates, anything could happen. >> bernie could win. >> three candidates, the third party candidate is probably going to lose. that's what happens. it's very difficult at this point to get on the ballot everywhere. it's difficult to get your message out. you have the machinery of two huge venerable parties crushing you basically. >> right. >> what's the best you can hope, that you win a few states, that you throw the election into the house of representatives where you lose. >> i guess you need a fourth.
it's hard for me to see, mika, bernie sanders after this going to the convention, sitting there saying, okay, everything i said for 74 years of my life, forget it. don't worry about it. i support hillary clinton. i don't see him doing that. >> that's what makes the situation on the democratic side so much different on the republican side where you've had people like ted cruz, marco rubio, even jeb bush come out and just trash donald trump. at the end they either decide i'm going to sit on the sidelines quietly or i will essentially support his candidacy. with bernie sanders because he's not of the democratic party in the way that hillary even was in 2008 after she had to step aside, it's just unclear, a, what he wants and, b, how he will achieve that. >> cruz is saying he might jump back in. >> no. >> i don't think that was real. i don't think that was real. >> no, i've never -- >> he's not going to jump back in. you know why? because he has a future in
politics. >> in the republican party. >> yeah. bernie sanders. this is bernie sanders last rodeo. >> it would be sad at this point if he tried to jump back in. >> okay. so anyway, hillary clinton drew her own big crowds in louisville, kentucky. her campaign made six-figure ad buy according to data from nbc news, despite the shift to focus on trump in the months to come. then these comments from vice president joe biden, who for months has said just enough to leave people guessing about where stands on the race. >> bring up the next president, we're all anxious to see -- >> who she is. >> i feel confident that hillary will be the nominee and i feel confident she'll be the next president. >> yes, he says in such lukewarm tones. >> i don't understand why ted cruz is pathetic and bernie isn't. he can't win either. >> what do you mean? >> i think it speaks to a weakness in the democratic
party. i think in '08 when she didn't have a path, it wasn't when she was going to get out, how quickly she was going to throw her weight behind obama. there's a gender piece to this, don't want to hurt his feelings, big crowds. if trump beats her, i think it's possible trump wins in november, i think you have to look back to this period and say all the damage done to her by trump's unconventional asymmetrical campaign and all the ambivalence democrats showed sanders staying in well after it was possible did irreparable harm to her. >> it's definitely hurting her. >> we're watching a progressive moment in america. if there wasn't trump phenomena sanders campaign whether it can win the nomination or not is rousing this part of the progressive left that we haven't seen take such a central place in our national political conversation. that's why so many sanders supporters when you meet them out on the campaign trail, they want to see this sustained move
to the left, fog for us on working class people. >> robert costa and julie pace, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe." >> last month you had a twitt twitter -- he called you goofy. what went through your mind? >> really? that's the best you can come up with. i thought donald trump said he was a guy who was good with words. >> that was elizabeth warren. >> he came up with other words. >> just out this morning, nickname for her. up next "new york times" magazine's mark leibovich talks to trump himself about his strategy giving his opponents monikers. tonight joe is playing for a great cause. horizons provides children with much needed academic programs over the summer. tonight's gig hosted at new canaan school, go to after school tutoring and college
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lyin' ted, lyin', l-y-i-n apostrophe. we can't say it the right way. lyin' ted. little marco, what we did -- no, no. he's liddle, liddle marco. you have to brand people a certain way when they are your opponents. like jeb bush we call him low energy, low energy. >> oh, my god. wow. perhaps trump has a new nickname for bernie sanders. he tweeted this morning big wins in west virginia and nebraska. get ready for november, crooked hillary, who is looking very bad against crazy bernie, will lose.
i don't want to hit crazy bernie sanders too hard yet because i love what he's doing to crooked hillary. his time will come. >> in washington, chief national correspondent for "the new york times," big old mark leibovich. >> you can do better than that. big ole. >> ole. >> big ol. >> apostrophe l, no d. >> big ol -- b-i-g-o-l-apostrophe. mark, you're right in part. crooked hillary, latest triumph in a series of it works, it flows, trump said. it was nice of trump to talk to mika, "new york times" or as he calls us on twitter, the failing "new york times." to be more precise, actually,
trump wants me to include that not only in this, the failing "new york times" but also that the failing "new york times" should also be followed by the tag line, one of the most dishonest newspapers anywhere in the world. that dispnt exactly roll off the tongue, does it, big ol'. truly one of the great disasters said failing "new york times." but again, it was nice of trump to call. also with us for this discussion, attorney, publicist and strategist, einstein ginsberg. >> smarty pants. >> call you ein. take us inside your interview with trump. >> there's a great inside story here. i e-mailed his campaign and he called me and we talked for about 10 minutes. how is that? no, i was very -- i wanted to really draw him out on market
testing and extensive research that goes into how to coin the perfect nickname. true to form he just said, no, i just do it. look and feel, i have a nack for it. it is true. what's interesting is the comic book sensibility behind it. the ds in little marco is actually how it would be rendered in a comic book. liddle marco rubio reminded me of liddle louie professional wrestler. nicknames, flows in the professional wrestling campaign. >> stunning, low energy jeb. that nickname defined him. it just defined him. lyin' ted cruz. you started seeing his numbers go down among evangelicals. trump needed to drive home the message ted cruz wasn't one of him, even though he claimed he was, that he lied.
he started with what happened in iowa when they said ben carson was get out of the race and he just pounded it into the dirt. actually sometimes these things work. >> i think it works very, very well. what's interesting about it is how simple it is. it's not something -- it's stunning it hasn't happened before. before you probably have a candidate or staff around a candidate saying, well, this is beneath the dignity of someone running for the highest office in the land. but again, that's not a big issue for trump. he's been able to do this as it goes along and branding has taken care of himself. >> mika, do you have a question for obi-wan. >> i did. as a republican strategist tell me how effective you feel these monikers are. what would you tell trump to maim different candidates, say an independent comes along the way, hillary clinton picks a vice president. do you think he should continue with this, do you think it
works? >> shades of damien runyan, guys and dolls come to life. it's part of his brand. the question is does it lower the debate to something thought presidential. not at all. >> see, we've already branded you obi-wan. >> the level but -- >> yet he's defining his opponents on his terms, which is a really important thing to be able to do. it's a tactic nobody else has seen, so it feels fresh. people are kind of hanging on it. >> yeah, but it's very old -- the way we used to do it, though, is that you have your candidate drop an insult against john kerry. he voted for it before he voted against it, you have the flipper theme song playing. it used to be part of more elaborate -- in the old-fashioned days when campaigns had staff, part of the
old-fashioned branding. he's done so many things. the power of his celebrity and podium and press coverage to consolidate the process into a one-liner. >> gene. >> i was going to say, he has chosen the nicknames very well. he has done -- he has -- >> he's good at nickname picking. >> he's great instinct, a nickname that's not only going to raise into public view what he wants to highlight. >> a great new york thing. >> it is a new york thing. mark, if he had run against john kerry, you're right, instead of doing an insult, having people pick it up, running 30-second ads of john kerry on his -- what was his -- >> wind surfer, going back and forth. he would have called him flipper. look at flipper. everywhere he went, he would be calling john kerry flipper and it would stick out. you wouldn't have to pay an advertising firm a cent or a tv station a cent to get that
message out. >> i think he'd probably add the name to it, like flipper john of the best are actually two words as he's proven a few times. no, it's true. look, i think it's part of the strange genius of his campaign. it's worked over and over and over again. i'm sure there are a lot of people around hillary clinton, if not hillary clinton herself that are concerned that the named crooked hillary is going to be pretty household come a few months from now if not sooner. again, it's proven to be very effective. >> there's no other candidate who could do this without looking ridiculous, without looking mean, without looking inappropriate. >> right. i agree with you there, he is all those things. >> what his critics would say. >> i think another candidate would not do this. >> i agree. >> they would be counted out. >> i agree. they would be counted out. >> they wouldn't be counted out, i just don't think they would do
it. i think the willingness to do is about half the battle if not two-thirds of the battle. by the way, i want the bigol' kyron. >> got it underneath. >> two words. two words. >> they were rushing. let's try this again, guys. big ol', thank you for being with us. >> i'm waiting. "new york times." >> online at the failing "new york times".com, that's terrible. i love "new york times." >> obi w-wan will you stay with us? an important correction this morning, my event tonight, the charity tonight, so many people flooded the phone lines right now. we've got like 74 million people worldwide watching this. >> south end restaurant. >> south end restaurant. >> joe's band performing for horizons, "morning joe" continues in just a moment.
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. >> you have said you're going to uphold the pledge, the pledge you signed to support eventual nominee of the republican party, that appears to be donald trump. when pressed on one question, would you vote for donald trump, you didn't seem to be able to make yourself say, yes, you'll vote for him. will you say that now? >> obviously this the quandary everybody finds themselves in. at least on one perspective. nominated someone on policy and deep reservations about the way he conducted his campaign. on the other hand the person on the other side of the ballot is someone i have more reservations and policy disagreement with. i pledged to support our nominee and that's what i plan to be. >> to be candidate, do you hope donald trump wins, do you hope in your heart of hearts he wins and ascend the presidency? >> again, all of the policy differences i have with him remain, all the reservations about hi campaign remain.
i clearly didn't want us to be the position we're in today. i was candidate for president who tried to be the nominee myself. i don't want hillary clinton to win. donald trump is the only other choice on the ballot. i recognize that. i have a pledge to support the nominee on top of it and i intend to keep it. >> that was marco rubio earlier this morning. >> on "today" show? >> yeah. >> why didn't he just -- that's our sister network, why didn't he flip over to us? we're right here? what happened? >> should have asked. >> should have asked him to come on. >> you didn't even ask. what's wrong with you? >> he's from florida, i'm from florida. he likes the dolphins -- he likes the dolphins. what school did he go to? fsu or florida? where did he go? is he a florida guy? he could be a gator like me, who knows.
so must have in common, alex, would you do due diligence and at least ask somebody from my home state. >> you can't. you have too much in common, you stand up to your party and he doesn't. >> don't talk about marco that way. stop. let's go to john mccormick. don't listen to her. john, come on. seriously, come on. >> you can't split the difference. >> don't talk about my florida brother, republican brother that way. john, in your new column you say marco rubio has, quote, nuked his credibility with his comments about donald trump. what do you mean? >> well, the specific comment he made yesterday in an interview jake tapper asked him about marco rubio's past comment donald trump was an erratic con man unfit to have access to nuclear codes. he stands by those comments.
he's mailed commander in chief and supporting commander in chief. that's contradictory. the only conclusion when both candidates -- take jeb bush, i don't vote for either, hope to vote for a third party candidate that emerges. you simply can't give a guy nuclear weapons when you think he's unqualified. >> what article are you going to write when you've got ted cruz that's going to do the same thing. he called trump a lyin' no good whipper snapper. everybody does this. >> no. kelly ayotte she didn't run for president but couldn't answer the question either. >> she said she would vote for trump but would not -- >> she split the difference. >> didn't hesitate. >> kelly ayotte took a really
good tact. >> if you're running in new hampshire. >> he's not running, right? >> no. >> why not endorse the republican nominee? >> is it like a mystery? a lot of people don't agree with him on really big stuff. >> why would you vote for him then? >> i think hillary clinton is worse. listen, these are hard days for republican. >> what about what jeb said. >> mika, there are a lot of people that actually believe, as shocking as this may be to you, that hillary clinton selecting the next supreme court justices is far more damaging to the future of the republic than praying and hoping donald trump will owe keep his word and appoint supreme court justices. >> your party, what you've got, your party has failed so many times. >> i think it's up to individuals to do what individuals feel like doing. >> okay. split the difference. >> a liberal in the chair telling them what to do. >> i'm not telling them what to
do. >> analyzing it. >> splitting the difference. that's not judgmental that's analysis. did jeb bush split the difference? no. that's someone with courage of his conviction. that's all i'm saying. >> jeb bush. maybe jeb bush feels more comfortable with hillary clinton being president of the united states than donald trump. >> no, he -- >> i actually bet jeb bush feels more comfortable as does george h.w. bush, no, that's kind of guessing, educated wise they feel more comfortable with hillary clinton president of the united states, somebody they know and have known for a very long time than donald trump. >> i'm telling you, most of you guys are splitting the difference because you're too scared to say what you really think. >> i'm telling you you're being judgmental and have no idea what you're talking about. people can go, be against him totally if they want to like jeb. there can be people like marco that say, you know what, this guy scares me. another clinton in the white
house and democrats running white house for 16 years scares me even more. >> said to you yesterday, mika, what he was articulating didn't agree with the stevens analysis. >> head of c-pac. >> i thought that was great. >> what he was saying, countering stevens "wall street journal" argument the one you're making, a lot are more comfortable with hillary clinton in the commander in chief role. on foreign policy level, they see the world more like he does. >> i did not hear jeb bush saying that. >> brett stevens, responding to the argument, which is sort of put into more eloquent words what you're saying. a lot see america's role as more hawkish than that which trump has articulated. can you squirm and laugh at us but a lot of republicans -- >> i'm not. >> you're being so judgmental because people don't agree with you. >> i'm splitting the difference, not squirming and laughing.
i think it's scary for y'all. >> sometimes, mika, the world is not black and white. sometimes splitting the difference. sometimes you have two really bad choices and have you to pick the best of the two bad choices. that's how marco rubio sees it. he's splitting the difference. he can say i have a lot of concerns. i don't know. you need to come back to earth. it really isn't that hard. >> okay. >> if marco rubio is offended by a lot of things that donald trump said and a lot of things donald trump believes, he's more offended and more scared at the thought of 16 years of the democrat in the white house choosing a supreme court that will forever go left for the rest of our lifetime. >> go with what you've got. >> i want to ask john mccormick about this, some element of this. john, marco rubio says he's going to support the ticket, going to support donald trump, who he has called an erratic con man who you don't want to have his hands on the nuclear codes. what does that tell us about
this potential future past candidate for president of the united states marco rubio? where is his at? >> i don't think it says a lot of things about his own fitness to be commander in chief, he would support someone who failed the commander in chief test. these aren't simple policy differences. this is failing basic threshold question for can he be president. i sympathize with marco rubio i think trump is disqualified because he failed the commander in chief. hillary clinton will hurl the country to the left, her stance on abortion. marco rubio, set standards, show people there are limits in what's tolerable in a presidential candidate. >> i would only say jeb bush made the best choice for jeb bush. marco rubio made the best choice for marco rubio. kelly ayotte has made the best decision for kelly ayotte and we shouldn't judge them.
>> an important part of this, these people are looking at it from the filter what happens if donald trump loses you need to continue conservative principles in the house and senate. if you if you control the senate this time then that is a check on what hillary clinton might want to do with supreme court just e justices. a lot of the conversation does have to do with nurturing a plan and what part of the republican party comes back to fight. >> we'll see if splitting the difference works. thank you very much. just ahead gearing up for two-pronged general election fight donald trump versus hillary clinton and donald trump versus bill clinton. that is straight ahead on "morning joe."
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>> it's wednesday, may 11. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set -- >> trump, of course, wins. bernie, big wins last night for bernie, too. this guy is not going away. >> keeps on winning. >> he's winning to lose. it's a reverse of 2008. it's like barack obama. you kept hearing all barack obama has to do is win texas and it is over. all he has to do is win ohio. all he has to do is go to pennsylvania. it's -- she just kept winning. >> bernie sanders is doing the same thing. >> obama was -- clinton was
closer to obama than sanders is to clinton at this point. and it did work out pretty well for obama in the end. >> made him a better candidate. this will probably make hillary better. >> we have legendary columnist. >> legendary. >> he is legendary. >> former communications director for president bush, nicole wallace. >> sarah palin. >> it is just amazing. >> nbc political analyst robinson. >> not surprisingly donald trump won both nebraska and west virginia in primary last night. about 20% of voters in nebraska cast ballots for ted cruz. yesterday we brought you numbers that showed a close race between donald trump and hillary clinton
in swing states key to winning the presidency. the national numbers gave clinton a five point lead over trump. look at key groups shows just how divided the electorate really is on race wins the white vote 52% to 41%. while clinton has a 77-point lead with black voters. 86% to 9%. more than two to one advantage among hispanic voters 61% to 28%. the candidates also face a stark gender gap. clinton defeats trump by 19 points among women. trump carries men by an 11-point margin. on the question of income voters who earn less than $50,000 a year back clinton by 19 points to trump's 37%. those making over 100,000 are about evenly split 47% for
clinton, 48% for trump. and when broken down by age voters under 45 years old pick clinton 56% to -- >> we are going to do it by eye color soon. i want to go back to the main polls. we got a lot of stuff to go through. i was off yesterday. i have to separate my unfiltered cigarettes from filtered cigarettes. i was looking at these numbers -- i don't smoke, mom and dad. i was shocked. clinton is actually losing to donald trump despite the horrible demographics that we talked about. it is going to kill him. i have been saying it. everybody has been saying it. he is ahead of ohio. that pole was a big surprise to
people. it showed a closer race or potentially a little bit ahead. people raised questions about the poll. my view is that it would be foolish for the clinton campaign to ignore bad news just because it is bad news and say we don't want to believe this. they need to look at the numbers and try to figure out what is potentially going on and why this is turning up. it was a big surprise. >> also, some people were saying the poll is oversampled. i was shocked by the nbc survey monkey poll that showed a five-point race. there is a consolidation going on. the fact that donald trump is within one point in pennsylvania and the fact he is close in florida, he is looking better than mitt romney did down this stretch. >> and this is before they really start going after each other. >> and this is when he has a 56%
disapproval rating. >> trump's negatives are historically high, unbelievably high. hillary clintons negatives are also very high. i think one interpretation of the poll is that it is not okay for the clinton campaign to say his are higher therefore we are going to be fine. hers i think are clearly having an impact. that is something the campaign will have to deal with. >> there is also another possibility here in that it is voter exhaustion. people responding to both candidates at this stage of a very long primary campaign with the extended numbers of debates. people saying -- tuning it right out. there is one thing in the under belly of that poll that ought to be of some concern, though. i was surprised that hillary clinton's support among women wasn't higher than it is. >> hillary clinton is increasingly fighting two fronts at once. the continued primary challenge from bernie sanders and her
likely general election opponent donald trump who is increasingly using personal attacks. here is trump senior strategist paul man afort yesterday. >> did she or did she not do that? >> he will be talking about those in the campaign. >> does he know what he is talking about? >> he definitely knows what he is talking about. >> i believe him. >> unreported behavior he will bring out. >> we talked about the hypocrisy of hillary clinton playing the female card and his willingness to expose that card for what it is. >> what is this thing about hillary clinton being married to someone being an abuser of women. how do you make that case in. >> stay tuned. we have things we will not be letting her get away with
playing the female card. >> insulting women. i don't care what he says about me but i do resent what he says about other people, other successful women, women who have worked hard and done their part. we are after all 51% of the country. >> they're going to get really ugly. >> it's going to be bad. it's going to be bad quick. >> you talk about voter exhaustion now. the campaign hasn't started. >> they are going to start early. there is not going to be a surprise. they are going to come out at him, at bill clinton. >> which we kind of said for some time now. we don't know whether hillary clinton will win this thing or not. we know from bill clinton it will be a horrid six months.
>> i think we have a little bit of history to look at how he acts now in his post presidency. he is a little more prickly than he was when he was the candidate. you look at the cycle of candidates who are out of practice, jeb bush, people who are in the fight and in this arena with social media and the constant pressures with everyone with a phone have not thrived under the white hot glare of donald trump's on slot. i think the clintons should be sort of in trump university studying. >> there is no strategy. >> what do you mean? >> no preparation. i really hope they are not trying to prepare for this because they will never be able to get inside her heart and her head in terms of what she needs to do with this when it happens. >> there is an agility that her republican opponents have the
benefit of looking at 16 people he defeated and understand there is an agility and nimbleness that they all lacked. the clintons before there was trump the people who were more willing to do anything it took to win were named clinton. so the people who used to be the ones best at adapting and taking on strategy necessary to defeat their opponent. we'll see that. >> here is the problem. even in the best of circumstances of 2008 bill clinton was hard to control. he was hard to handle. remember in new hampshire when he gave the horrid speech. even in the best of circumstances here they are going to be leveling charges that are going to be shocking even by bill clinton's standards from what we hear. how does a hillary clinton team control bill clinton? do they do what the obama team
did to joe biden in 2008 and put him on a plane and let him listen to music so he doesn't say anything. >> the clintons got where they are by being adaptable by fitting what they say and do to the circumstances and to their advantage. i have a feeling bill clinton learned something in 2008. he made mistakes and he was very defensive about that for a while. my guess would be that he has internalized some of that. won't make the exact same mistakes. >> they have already compared him to bill cosby on instagram. we are going to have two front battles going on this fall. you have hillary clinton fighting for the white house and you have bill clinton fighting to save his legacy. after trump the "new york times" reported just put out an
instagram video of him and a couple of tweets. his approval rating which he has been working on his entire life, he lives to see that approval rating go up, went from 51% to 38%. can you imagine what it's going to look like in the fall? also, for political reasons can you imagine the nightmare it will be for hillary clinton's campaign team to stop him from going out and swinging back in a way that could make things worse? >> i think there is a whole unspoken part of this for decades that will be spoken in plain english. it's going to be the part of the conversation and everyone is afraid to have or too polite to have or they are too blind to have. >> i don't know. she has had it. that is the kind of discussion we are all going to have to have. >> it can either sort of purge these resentments and these
unsaid things and make them feel better about her or damage her. >> it can help her a lot. it can make her look -- >> the potential is definitely there. in casie hunt, focus group was a group of republican women yesterday and we have any of that. >> i did some yesterday. >> what is really quite interesting they talked about bill and hillary clinton's relationship. there was a lot of sympathy and solidarity with hillary clinton. which could be very much to her advantage. >> the assault is going to come against bill clinton. the response will have to come from hillary clinton. >> it has to. >> and that will be the guide post as to where she is going to -- how she is going to navigate this during the fall. >> donald trump opened up another front on hillary clinton
yesterday on instagram. it's a video about the deadly attack on the american consulate in benghazi. >> we have seen rage and violence directed at american embassies over an awful internet video. >> she lied to me. she told me it was the fault of the video. >> she said we are going to have the film maker arrested who is responsible for the death of your son. >> so she did say to you that the benghazi attack was caused by protests. >> absolutely. >> i don't know why that is funny. >> the trump campaign confirmed to nbc news that they made the video. the clinton campaign declined to comment to nbc news. >> so this sort of thing coming at you nonstop. >> and it cuts. >> we'll see how agile they are going to be. still ahead on "morning joe," mutually assured
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they made up about a third of the electorate. 33% said they would choose trump over the senator from vermont if they faced off in the general. taking a look at the delegate count. sanders picked up 16. according to nbc news clinton picked up six superdelegates to sanders one superdelegate. after his win in west virginia sanders went on to speak at a rally in salem, oregon in frupt of a crowd of about 4,000 people. he celebrated his victory and did not let up his pressure on hillary clinton targeting wealthy donors. >> we have now won primaries and caucuses in 19 states. and let me be as clear as i can be. we are in this campaign to win the democratic nomination.
one of the waltons made a campaign contribution to secretary clinton of hundreds of thousands of dollars. i say to that family maybe instead of making large campaign contributions to secretary clinton, pay your workers a living wage. >> that's some tough talk. >> bernie sanders is on the ride of his life. he is 73 years old. he has held believes for 72 of the 73 years. he is capable of raising millions of dollars in small contributions from ordinary people over and over and over again. his message is resonating. he is not getting out. he will be at the convention in philadelphia fighting for the platform. he already managed to push
hillary clinton more to the left than she ever intended to go to the left. >> he will keep her there. >> yes. >> i thought that just that sound byte alone was stinging. >> i think if she loses by this much to donald trump or this much we'll look back at this period when she couldn't show more strength against him and when the democratic party doesn't have the appetite to suggest that her mathematical lead and the damage he has done to her with donald trump echoing the attacks and including two of his own i don't know how any politician even a clinton like politician bounces back. >> the big problem is of the three candidates left standing only one has taken money from wall street. bernie makes that argument to his crowds in salem, oregon. donald picks them up and
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>> i am looking forward to debating donald trump come the fall. >> she is projecting that then why is she spending money on tv ads in kentucky. sounds like she understands that we are in this race and that we have nine more contests. >> do you focus on donald trump which would be my instinct? she has the math on her side. she can afford to lose more states. or do you worry about losing kentucky. i would say in the end it didn't matter because four years ago hillary clinton won every county in west virginia, cleaned up in kentucky and it just didn't matter. i think you have to look past your primary opponent that you have already beaten and go
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now that trump is the only one left on the republican side he is starting to set his sights on hillary clinton. hillary saying he is using a play book from the '90s. which back fired when americans were like we love the '90s. hillary, the state department said it can't find e-mails belonging to hillary clinton's senior technology staffer from when clinton was secretary of state. then hillary said you won't find that staffer either. >> we are back with msnbc contributor, washington post's eugene robinson and ben ginsberg. picking up on that joke by jimmy fallon the state department reports it cannot locate e-mails from the time he served as senior information technology staffer. >> i'm sorry.
say that. you are saying that the state department is saying they can't find e-mails from the guy that served as hillary clinton's senior information technology staffer while she was secretary of state? >> he would have been required to turn over any official communications from his work account before he left the government. >> of course, this is the guy that would be able to tell you the most about her e-mail account. >> state officials say while he had an office e-mail account they cannot find records he would have turned over. >> i'm sorry, i don't mean to keep asking this question. it is not a rhetorical question, how could this happen? >> the question to me is a rhetorical question because i don't know the answer to that. one assumes what they say they assume. you have state department e-mail account and they can't find it. >> he's the chief technology
guy. >> he was responsible for setting -- >> a happy coincidence perhaps? does it sound like a coincidence or does it cause you concern as a pulitzer prize winning reporter? >> i want to know more about it. >> does it raise questions in your mind? >> where are the e-mails? >> come on. this is unbelievable. >> if anybody is going to be able to figure out how to get rid of e-mails which mortals are told you can never get rid of it could be the chief technology guy. >> wow. >> a massive bureaucracy. >> are you kidding me? so they find it for everybody else but the guy that is the chief technology guy that sets
up her stuff. >> it's not good. >> his go missing. what is a judge going to say about this? what is the justice department going to say about this? what is the fbi going to say about this? what is the fbi going to say about this? how did this happen? >> it's not a defense. >> maybe he has a private server. >> i think only the secretary of state. the "new york times" has a new report that explores how routinely sensitive information is e-mailed on unclafed government servers. you can check out that piece. it is all sort of connected. let's turn to nbc news correspondent hally jackson. >> following ted cruz's revived campaign for president. >> what is going on there? >> he said he might come back.
he cracked the door open a little bit. he came to capitol hill here yesterday for the first time since dropping out. he was totally mobbed. tons of media trying to get questions following up on an interview with glen beck where cruz appeared to leave the door open if there was a viable path to victory that opened up. i will let you listen to what he had to say. >> listen, we have suspended the campaign. we suspended the campaign because i can see no viable path to victory. if that changed we would reconsider things. we are not going to win nebraska today. no mystery note, no excitement in that. we have withdrawn from the campaign. it is in the hands of the voters. if circumstances change we will always assess changed circumstances, but i appreciate the eagerness and excitement of all the folks in the media to see me back in the ring but you may have to wait a little bit
longer. >> a big if from ted cruz there. if something were to change then he would possibly reassess. as cruz comes back to the hill and gets focussed on congress i get the sense that he feels emboldened by being one of the last people standing against trump. he has run against colleagues in congress for 13 months. for him it was successful enough to get him to be in those top sort of last three, him and john kasich and donald trump there, the second in delegate count. cruz, one thing you did not hear in the comments was the word unity. there was talk about unification of the party. that is something that will be a focus here on capitol hill for speaker paul ryan who walked by a couple of minutes ago getting ready for a conference. we expect to hear from paul ryan in about 90 minutes when he speaks to the media in his weekly session. i can tell you sources are telling me his meeting with trump tomorrow will not be like a policy check list of running through issues and talking about
does trump agree with ryan on x, y or z. ryan will be looking for trump to agree to conservative principles, limited government, no executive overreach. ryan wants to hear that trump will work to try to bring the republican party together. sources caution the two will not walk out hand in hand raising arms up together. this is the beginning of a process. there will likely be more meetings to come. >> thank you very much. you were saying offcamera last hour that conservatives should be concerned by the fact that ted cruz dropped out of the race. if he stayed in the race he could have taken the conservative banner to the convention and then led the floor fight to make sure the platform resembled more of what they believe. >> interesting position that delegates in cleveland will be in. three quarters are loyal to party principles.
about a quarter will have been chosen by candidates. >> this won't be trump's crowd. >> there are a number of major issues on which donald trump has said things different from the conservative movement. that is an important philosophical decision and a large number of groups have used the power of their membership and money they raised from that membership to get certain policy positions enacted in platforms and in congress. that's all at tension now with donald trump's positions. >> just look past it? they don't agree on fundamental questions? >> apparently that is judgmental. >> trying to judge personal political decisions. >> you can have -- you can have
a one sentence principle platform that says let's make america great again. thank you and good night. >> joining us now t.a. frank who covers politics. he breaks down what is at stake for paul ryan and argues he must endorse donald trump. from paul ryan's perspective endorsing trump would cost a lot of credibility forcing him to carry water for a person whose ideas he rejects across the board. ryan would probably rather leave office than be a part of it. if it is not the future then ryan would prefer to say he resisted it. resist away and ryan would be fine or maybe not. what if the challenge comes from a republican? a trump endorsement starts to look like a better choice. until it's not. >> at the same time in ryan's own district ted cruz beat
donald trump by 20 points so he's not going to be cantered? >> i don't think that ted cruz represents the wing of the republican party that paul ryan does. paul ryan is more establishment than ted cruz. there is rebellion across the board, i think. >> so what is the down side of paul ryan not endorsing donald trump? >> i think the pressure is going to mount very quickly on him to do so or he will -- he already has people on his tail. he has sarah palin saying she is going to campaign for his primary opponent. >> she said that in 2014 and every establishment republican won in 2014. >> that may be but this guy is not going to command a lot of air time on his own. she is going to provide a lot of it quickly.
if there is a pile of dry kindling she may provide the spark. >> what about from the other side? the wisconsin talk radio voices that we heard so much about leading up to the wisconsin primary? the republican establishment, won't they rip the bark off of paul ryan's tree if he reverses course and goes against them and supports donald trump? >> yes. that is the trouble paul ryan has. i think he would like to simply freeze himself until december. he is going to have to face this one way or the other. he is in a bad situation either way. >> yes, he is. >> yes. and voters, i think, will have a hard time forgiving him for not endorsing the front runner. that is my supposition. >> the closer we get to it the
more they see hillary clinton as next president and the more rank and file republicans will say what you are going to sit on the sidelines? i'm not saying it is right or wrong. it happens. it is called feeling gravity's pull. >> you are right, in part. if trump isn't the future of the gop, do you think paul ryan thinks trump is the future of the gop? >> i think he hopes it's not. i think he hopes it will blow over like a mass hysteria. i think he is probably wrong. from paul ryan's perspective i can see why he feels he needs to gamble it is all wrong. he is like a guy who has been using political career to campaign for veganism and along comes trump and wants to hand everybody burgers. >> with cheese covered french fries. thank you so much.
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frightening. time for business before the bell. a paper jam for office depot and staples. >> that is one way to put it. another deal successfully blocked by the obama administration. a federal judge siding with the u.s. government that argued that the merger of staples and office depot would hurt consumers. as a result the two are abandoning the deal, a chaollap of a $6.2 billion dollar. >> is this the beginning of a trend? >> last week the administration broke up more than $30 billion deal between halliburton and baker hughes. the government was arguing if you combine the number one and number two office supply retailers in the country that would result in higher prices for consumers and worst quality of service for businesses that buy office supplies. the companies argued this is a different world. we have to compete with
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these are the photos of the beginning of the first introduction with me and paul ryan. he had to get ready to leave and he put his hand out to give me a handshake and i said i want a hug. i wanted to hug him for him to understand that i'm a person. i met you, you met me and it is now personal. it was something for me. i don't think a year later looking at everything that has happened it was anything. >> poverty in america is in a long list of issues facing the next president and the focus of a new documentary reflecting on one woman's push for paul ryan and congress.
>> we went down talking about poverty. it did have a big impact. >> the short film is featured in a new collection called "take five justice in america" on amc network's video on demand service. joining us now amc network president and ceo josh sapan who sees short form documentaries as 21st century op-ed backed by power of social media. clarify. you don't go to amc. you go to -- >> you go to the internet. you don't in this case go to cable television or your remote control you go to the internet. >> what is the search? >> sun dance now. >> you can subscribe to streaming service and you will see the biggest wealth of documentaries man kind ever
assembled. >> that is in a way the future of op-eds. >> it is also the future of how people younger than i will be watching these things. you can do it on your phone or tablets. the genesis of this, the five minute clip we showed about voting rights, do they come to you? how do you get the documentary? >> we commission them. this is the first original series. we found five film makers and said please make a five minute film on what justice in america means to you. five film makers, five minutes. we will put them on whatever you have to say. these are like op-ed pieces. came forward with five different short films. one of them called a hug for paul ryan. one of them was on voting rights. one of them was on bail and gun control. >> did the topic originate with you? >> we just facilitate it.
we like to put control in the hands of the creator whether the person who made "mad men," "breaking bad," better call saul or documentaries. we said you are in charge. we will create the platform and we will show five different views of what. >> so is this now a continuing platform for this sort of opinion film making? >> yes. we have long form documentaries. i think we have perhaps the world's largest collection and now we are commissioning new documentaries and making them short form. we saw a documentary film maker all talking about docs. said the most impact was not the two hour ones, it was a four minute piece. >> if you look at the numbers, where do millennials get their news? over 60% get their news on facebook. half of them get it from local
news like 37% get their news from local television. so it seems like the future is now. >> right there in your hands. >> it's probably the newspaper of tomorrow with social media or the newspaper of today. >> that's really -- i love the concept of the topic of this and getting back to the character of finding the person out in the america who can tell the story which is sort of like traditional journalism which you don't get -- >> a lot of people miss donald trump because a lot of people were writing op-eds in manhattan. instead of doing exactly what you guys look like you are doing. >> take five films debuts on doc club.com on may 17. thank you so much. >> always great to have you here. we will be doing this. up next, what if anything did we learn today?
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decision. >> i planned on running. it's an awful thing to say. i think i would have been the best president but it was the right thing not just for my family but for me. no one should ever seek the presidency unless they are able to devote their whole heart and soul and passion into just doing that. and beau was my soul. i just wasn't ready to be able to do that. now, my one regret is beau is not here. i don't have any other regrets. >> that will just take a second. time to talk about what we learned today. that was incredible. >> i learned that joe biden says he would have been the best president. >> don't go away. >> i learned joe should not go away. >> i learned apparently it doesn't matter if the republican
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