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>> thanks to nicole wallace for sitting in with john. we'll be back tomorrow. coming up, hardball with chris matthews. charm offensive. let's play "hardball." now on track to win. only hillary clinton lying between him and the white house. the new yorker accepted the freedom of the city. it was the sense of the inevitable. the republicans line up with
trump or will be seen rooting for the enemy. amid a crush of reporters, we heard them and live television cameras. the nominee to be met with a board republican and quiet skeptics. speaker paul ryan stopped short of a full endorsement, he said he was heading in that direction. for the first time republican leaders were singing the same tune. >> i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump today. i do believe that we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified to bridge the gaps and differences. >> do you expect to endorse him? >> i think this is going in a
positive direction. >> what did you think of his personality? >> he's a warm and genergenuine. >> it's time to unify the party. both parties wanted to do that. it was a positive step toward unification. >> very positive. >> i guess we know the talking points, senator john corning tweeted this with trump giving the thumbs up and trump kweeted great day in d.c. with speaker ryan. things working out really well. that's trump's view. what did you make of today as somebody who has watched trump. are you surprised of the
relative sparkle? >> i'm not surprised. the fact he was followed every moment of the day from the moment he landed here in d.c. to the moment where he flew out is unsurprising. he said you need to add a bit of show business. almost the reality show of what will happen to donald trump and the republican party. not much came out of meetings other than they were encouraging or positive. paul ryan did not endorse. nobody expected him to endorse. he got wall to wall coverage. it's expected he would get as much attention as he did today. i'm sure he enjoyed every moment of it. >> let me go over to hallie.
it seems the speaker didn't say he's endorsing but said he will endorse. i'll give this guy a kiss on the cheek some day. >> like i'll hold his hand today and i'll bear hug him in kaup l of weeks. there was a sense that trump wasn't getting up there with the meeting with priebus or ryan and the one with house leadership and given an attitude he was listening. he was attentive.
there was a moment i'm told as was put to me where trump made it clear he was well aware of the polls and how he's doing. that's the inherent tension of what's happening now. trump feels he has this mandate from voters. he may not. he doesn't have mandate from everybody in his own party here on capitol hill. there is that contingent of never trump folks who feel like the party is unsettled at the moment. that was a point that was made to trump too. in a sign he's trying to bring the establishment together, you know that jim baker was meeting with trump today. his office confirming the news that nbc broke. baker was there at the request of trump and held meetings with other gop candidates and we're told will have no further comment on it. >> that's smart meeting for trump. >> here is speaker ryan today on that topic.
>> there are policy disputes that we will have. there's no two ways about it. plenty of republicans disagree with one another on policy disputes. >> you asked priebus about it today. let's watch that interview point. >> i'm not going to get into the specifics. it's a private meeting, private conversation but everything you're hearing about is accurate. it was cooperative. it was great. >> did the speaker explain to donald trump how difficult it is to reduce the debt and there's big elements like entitlements that you have to deal with. was it that bad?
>> he did bring charts and anybody who has covered paul ryan on capitol hill, one of our producers will tell you this. paul rye wran lian likes his ch. they were about entitlement reform and national debt. the subsequent meeting had tu trump's aides. unclear if he was impressed by the charts. >> okay. thank you. joined by marsha blackburn of tennessee. thank you both. i guess you both have the same
question. you both had districts that were carried by whom in the primaries? >> trump. carried my district. >> they are. i've said it was going to be an outsider year. i think that's good and healthy for the party and quiet frankly i'm energized by the new voters that are coming into the republican party this cycle. >> i notice the first line is he want to stop hillary. is that a deciding factor for most republicans middle of the road, left and right or right and far right? >> i think that's a consideration. none of us are supporting hillary clinton, obviously. for people like me and my other colleagues that are more center
right, we do have concerns about the lack of policy specifics. these are the concerns a lot of us have. >> what's the best you can say about those? you don't really mean it when he said john mccain is not war hero. the plane crashed. >> i don't know. i haven't discussed any of that with mr. trump. when you look at the issues in front of this country, national security, jobs and economic security, retirement security, which is huge with woman, i think people are saying we want somebody who is going to make decisions. who is going to provide some leadership. >> she's taking the safe position which is leave things alone.
leave it alone. that's his position. >> i think sometimes you get into what did somebody say and what did people hear on that. >> people want to stabilize medicare and social security for seniors and near seniors and then to look at it and do something. >> is he willing to do that? >> i would so. >> trump is a really smart politician on some things. i think he looks at state like yours and goes a lot of people in pennsylvania are retierees. they want to keep their kids from moving away. their future is hold what you have. keep the kids in the neighborhood because there's jobs for them here. not a lot of fancy stuff. that's what i think trump seems to be offering. no more trade deals. >> what troubles me is there's a
lack of policy specifics. the few policies have been cont contradictory. he says he wants to balance the budget and the other hand he says he will ignore the entitlemen entitlements. >> did he learn this today? >> paul ryan brought the charts out. they look at the three big factors. interest payments are huge. third you have defense. >> people segment that. they want to make sure there's stability there. they look at the mandatory spending components and what needs to be done for reworking medicaid and the delivery systems on it and the mandatory spending. they really want that address
because they see a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in those systems. they're going to insist we do that plus they want these federal agencies dealt with because they are too bureaucratic. >> donald trump's past comments will come up again over next six months. we know that. earlier this year an anti-trump super pac put out this ad quoting him this
way. let's watch. >> bimbo. >> dog. >> fat pig. >> real quotes from donald trump about women. >> a person who is flat chested is hard to be a ten. >> i'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of her pps. >> look at that face. >> she had the height. she had the beauty. she was crazy, but these are minor details. >> i like kids. i mean, i won't do anything to take care of them. i'll supply funds and she's take care of the kids. >> it doesn't matter what they write as long as you have a young and beautiful piece of [ bleep ]. >> how do you explain that at
home? >> i think for a woman like me -- >> in tennessee? >> i've heard things that and worse said about me. >> this guy is running for the presidency. he wants your endorsement. >> i've heard it from guys i've worked with. >> would you hire a male that talked like that? would you hire one? >> let
me tell you where i think women are on this. they have heard that all their life. they've had people condescend to them. they are more worried about keeping their community safe. making certain we don't have terror cells having jobs for their kids coming out of college. making certain a comfortable retirement is there not only for them or parents. >> is there anybody around that doesn't have this reputation that he's got? >> there are things he's said that i wish he had not said. i think people are more worried about fate of our country.
>> my hunch is, i think pennsylvania will decide it and moderate women. >> a lot of women are concerned. everybody sees the polls. 70% of women have an unfavorable view of mr. trump. i think it's hard to take these words back. when you're a presidential candidate, every utterance you make is policy. that's one of the challenges. it causes me a lot of heartburn when i heard those kinds of statements. i'm not naive. i've heard this too.
>> you're an optimist. >> i am. president trump, here we come. >> we've had had you on an awful lot lately. thank you. paul ryan is inching closer to support donald trump. he actually said a quick yeah. he's really whying his on presidential prospects for years from now. every move he makes will have a an impact on his political options. i think he'll have no options if trump wins. can democrats capitalize on revisions in the republican party when they are still fighting their own primary battle between held ri and bernie. no matter what you think of trump he's dominating the headlines. how to put on a good show from
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seeds to get yourselves unified. from here we're going to go deeper into policy areas to see where the common ground is and how we can make sure we're operating off the same core principles. this is our first meeting. i was very encouraged with this meeting. this is a process. it takes a little time. you don't put it together in 45 minutes. >> there's the agreeable point for the republicans. i know what's fascinating when ryan was interviewed it was like a quick yeah.
>> it's been a bit of the war between the passions that paul ryan feels. then we see a different approach. the pragmatism of mitch mcconnell. he was able to look them in the eye, talk about some of the concerns that they have and soften some of the rough edges. he makes a reasonable argument that you can't turn it all over and come together in just 45 minutes. mitch mcconnell is already saying he endorses. he has time. it also gives trump some time
later a chance to say he got a win. >> tonight your beat was the biggest beat. thank you. ryan, the speaker ryan hasn't been so shy about weighing in on the gop's nominating process and calling out trump like his ban on muslims coming into the country. here is ryan. >> i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly it's not what this country stands for. >> you can tell that was an earlier picture when he had the beard. the conversation over the last few days has been about white
supremacist groups. i try to stay out of day-to-day, ups and downs of the primary. when i see something that runs counter to who we are as a party and a country, i will speak up. today i want to be very clear about something. if a person wants to be the nominee of the republican party, there can be no evasion and no games. they must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. this party does not prey on people's prejudices. >> wow. as ryan slow walks unifying his party, he's balancing the gop's chances in 2016 with his own ambitions to be the nominee of the party in 2020. they both have jobs very, very similar to my own over the years.
>> his interest is protecting the house majority this year. these are some guy, some are never trump. some v haven't endorsed. >> he's pro-life. he wants to make sure he believes in the core principles. >> i think the republican party when i worked up on the hill was more of a political party. some moderate, some middle of the roads. you must subscribe, mr. trump to the belief system of this party. >> there's a bit of worry that trump doesn't really have appreciation for the constitution and worry he might overreach. there's been a lot of worry that obama has done that as president. they are sick and tired. i think that's a good discussion to have.
congress needs to reassert itself. >> they don't want the man on horse back. they don't want the guy riding into town. >> respect article 1 as well as article two. that's what they are hoping to get from these conversations with donald trump. >> a good speaker protects his members. that's what ryan is also doing protecting his members from a guy who says a lot of things. ryan is right on the muslim ban and david duke. he's worried about it because he's not sure how this all plays out. >> yet trump has his own political ambitions. trump has to be seen as on the offense all the time. he's always on the offensive. he has to be seen as a guy mastering any interpersonal relationship with anybody. he has to be the bully, the boss. how can he get along with the republican congress which is the heart of the political establishment without becoming an insider like ryan? >> he won the primaries by
winning a certain segment of the republican base. in order to win the general election, to beat hillary clinton which is all of our goal, he's going to have to unify the party and get votes from every wing of the party. >> how does he do it. how does he stay donald trump and do that. >> i think there's a fine line between his outsider status and the sort of hateful comments. >> can he still get a crowd if he doesn't engage if the wild speech. that gets his headlines. >> i think so. >> he also can't be a typical politician. i think there's way to do this. he was pretty undisciplined throughout the campaign and it worked for him. >> paul ryan was close on the ticket last time. >> he's been clear that speaker of the house has never been elected president and this is the highest political office he expects to hold. >> he's a pretty young guy. >> he ain't going to get it if trump gets it.
if trump goes in the white house, it's over for this guy. >> paul ryan is not the kind of guy that is scheming about being president. he's just a policy wonk. he's gotten to be speaker. he really wants to move policy. >> like dick chaney, he got to be vice president not by scheming. he just got to be speaker of the house, not by scheming. >> paul ryan was begged to do this job by your former boss. i don't think he wanted it. >> how's boehner's retirement? >> he's having the time of his life. >> thank you. up next, democrats seize on this break in the republican party. hillary clinton is still trying to fend off bernie sanders in the party's primary. that fight is not over at all. this is hardball, the place for politics. (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our hting
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republican nominee for president. i don't like the phrase. how about the nominee to be. shortly after the meeting hillary clinton's senate said quote, republicans are attending to knowledge that a president risk would be too big a risk. the clinton campaign said trump's presidency would be a train wreck for american values and latinos. i think he had to put this in there for sure. joe biden is kind of hard to predict sometimes. he said something like this. he's now talking about that if he had ran, if he had ran, that
he said if he had run he would have put elizabeth warren as his running mate. he still thinks she would with the best choice to replace him. why is he messing with her -- >> mojo. >> why is he doing this now telling her he would have picked a woman. >> it's an interesting dilemma for clinton. >> would you do that? >> i wouldn't do it. >> thank you. why is he doing this?
>> i don't know. i really don't know. >> he's having fun. >> is he setting himgs up in case something goes wrong on the e-mail front. ? >> i don't know if that's what he actually doing. >> nobody stops running for president. >> he's proving this. this is the third story in as many weeks about vice president biden waxing nostalgic. >> who would be the democratic party. i don't know the rules for this. who would be the nominee? >> it would almost be bernie sanders. >> who would get it? >> the republican national committee decides. >> they saw this. >> would be after the delegates had met. that's never going to happen. >> i was going to say because imagine the bernie folks saying,
okay, vice president biden, go right ahead. you've spent all this time, invested all this energy and money. >> speaking of stirring the pot. the wall street journal voted to the case bernie sanders can win the presidential nominee now. if he sweeps the final ten primaries and caucuses he might take the lead. what's the point of saying that? sweep all the delegates. hillary is in pretty good shape to carry california. she would still have the super delegates. >> they didn't say she would go into the convention. >> implied because -- >> are they keeping him up there like a fatty calf? >> yes. they would love to run against bernie sanders. republican s have not laid a glove on bernie sanders.
>> they could easily trash him. >> this is suggesting that senator cruz' father had something to do with kennedy. it's utterly ridiculous on his face. >> bernie sanders would have to win not just the next ten elections but he would have to win them to be competitive. >> how do democrats grab the spotlight? you write for the papers. i'll start with you. how do democrats grab the front page again? >> he's got a news story every day to stay alive. hillary is smart, we person. she doesn't come up with a new interesting comment. she's pretty solid. >> the way she wins this thing is she makes trump the guy to say anything he wants.
she's got to tell the story and have a narrative for the campaign. >> you kbcan't compete with dond trump. sometimes the spotlight is the spotlight. >> have you guys hated the word presumpti presumptive. it sounds terrible to me. >> let donald trump be donald trump. let him be the roman candle on the campaign trail an let hillary clinton just make the pitch, make the case. >> yoir thineed to create the s so every time he's a roman candle, it fulfills the pros fi. >> the point i was trying to
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also inside. he'll be talking with the two of them. sources say he will act as a truce negotiator. >> i'm told those conversations between priebus and ryan and donald trump continuing in the fourth floor office. >> donald trump made no secret of attacking paul ryan. >> remember the wheelchair being pushed over the cliff when you had ryan chosen as your vice president. that was the end of that campaign. >> it's no secret that donald trump and i have had our differences. >> we just got a joint statement from paul ryan and donald trump. this was our first meeting but it was a very positive step toward unification. >> it was a positive mood. it was a mood of cooperation and a feeling. >> it's time to unify the party. i was very encouraged with this meeting. it's a process. it takes a little time. you don't put it together in 45 minutes. >> those were in washington today when donald trump, the outsider came, met and conquered speaker paul ryan in hill
passion. continued to reserve the right to object to a trump candidacy. it was trump who controlled the office today. a tight general election race ahead. the latest nbc news online poll shows hillary clinton with a five-point lead nationally over trump. our roundtable is joining us. your thoughts about the pictures we saw and we'll see in tomorrow's paper and tonight's news. >> there was no handshake. they did not appear together. that is something that donald trump may have wanted because he tweeted out photos of him and other gop leaders. we didn't see that today with paul ryan. why is that? it would have looked like an endorsement. he said he wouldn't endorsing, but he wasn't. >> he said yeah. >> he didn't endorse today and it would have looked like an
endorsements if he was seen shaking his hand. >> is this good for trump today? >> i think tfit was good for trump. i think tfrs good for rya it wa. each party has three legs. i think what trump was doing is saying i've got the grass roots with me. i need the elected officials and then i'll start talking to the more inside players. i think sitting down with ryan was not just symbolic. >> is this a route to the goal he has to collect? >> he has to. he's got to go through it. >> the way you get to the donor base, we used the call the fat cats is talk to the elected officials. michael, talk about history. is this like nixon going up on fifth avenue and had to cut that deal. >> we've never seen a
presumptive nominee begging for his support. that is something that really paul ryan was in the cat bird seat today. lyndon johnson, the majority leader who tried to beat john kennedy scheduled this session to go through august for one reason only. they wanted to leave whoever was the nominee. kennedy had to make sure they johnson was happy. that's one reason why kennedy had to put johnson on the ticket. >> they had to appeal to eleanor roosevelt. he had to go to her hat and hand and say will you forgive me for
my brother working for mccarthy and having a father. will you forgive me the fact my father and your husband never liked each other and you're the keeper of the keys. will you please not get in my way. he's the keeper of the keys. >> paul ryan is the ideological leader of the republican party. >> he stepped up to the plate probably during one of the toughest times to be leader in history. his own party is divide and he's against a heavy weight in the white house. this is one more test of his leadership and he's done a good job. he's been tempered with what he reported. i would have expected them both to come out and say we're united, let's go beat hillary and do the photo op. we want jobs. we want to turn the economy around. we want to reduce spending. there's still things we disagree on. i think they have left themselves some wiggle room.
>> okay. i have great respect for you. i want to give you some names as a running mate. i think he's a mixed bag to start with. here it is. jan brewer. why would you put her on the ticket? you're already known as an anti-immigrant guy. newt gingrich. you want to clean up washington, you're bringing him back. these names make no sense. >> the most productive time is during the conflict with -- i want a good platform. >> the only people who have publicly said that they would be interested. jan brewer is one of the only people who said she would be interested in the job. >> you're already known to be an anti-immigrant. >> blackburn would be a suspect. >> it's a problem that donald
trump will face is there's many republicans who you might think he would consider who have come out and said, no thanks. i'm not interested in it. >> how quickly we forget. >> rubio would not join his ticket. what was your point in. >> rubio would not join his ticket because he wants to preserve his own political prospepr prospe prospect. >> up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. this is hardball, the place for politics.
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stormed through georgia. i was a cruz guy, they beat us handily. but what i was impressed with when i talked to bruce lavelle was how strong their national diversity outreach is. he is excited. and he was telling me all about what they're going to do to bring in muslims, bring in hispanics, bring in african-americans. >> it's virgin forest for these guys. >> it's going to be very exciting. >> we've seen a lot of chaos within the republican party today but what about the democrats? debbie wash man schultz, dmc chair, says she does not expect there to be this kind of divisiveness, she believes the party will unite before the convention this summer. >> but she would say that. >> well, the white house seems to think that it will be fine too. i asked the president's spokesperson about that too. >> do you believe it? >> i think there's a lot of sanders supporters who are still upset with hillary clinton. >> there's pumas in there. you know what that means? party unity my -- >> insert a word. >> word we can't say. >> eight years ago this hour,
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let me finish tonight by saying what a strange day it was in washington. whatever you think of donald trump, he came here and took on this bunch of so-called party leaders like a tank riding over a speed bump. the only resistance was from speaker paul ryan who said he'll get to the endorsement, who said he'll kiss mr. hot stuff, just not on the first date. it's amazing what strong poll numbers will do for you. those what are donald trump came to flash. two days before his triumphant arrival here not only did he win state primaries, he's on the road to winning more primary votes than any republican in history. and what republican leaders are sew slowly getting their heads around is the only obstacle to donald trump becoming president donald trump is hillary clinton becoming president hillary clinton. that's one trump card when you
think about it. mr. paul ryan may fill himself with notions of hillary entering the white house next january then screwing her litcally ala barack obama from the day she gets there, then running in to finish her off in 2020. he may hope for that. it may come to that. but there are many hazards in the meantime. and what's more important for the republican party right now is the success of the person who will be its nominee this summer and fall. whatever sugarplum speaker ryan and the other personages of this capitol had dancing and prantsing in their heads the picture produced was that of a grand partisan jen ewe flexion. today's events were a rich technicolored spectacle filled with meetings and salutes, pomp and circumstance that could well be heard someday as a prelude, a reticent resight of ruffles and flourishes. you know, that's the tune they play right before "hail to the chief." that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now.
tonight on "all in." >> it's very important that we don't fake unifying. >> two men enter, one message leaves. >> i heard a lot of good things from our presumptive nominee. >> the trump takeover of the republican party plays out on capitol hill. tonight, what we know about what happened behind the closed doors. how the rank and file are falling in line. and how the democrats are responding. then why mitt romney is siding with hillary clinton on trump's taxes. >> you got to ask yourself why couldn't he want to release them? >> how the clinton camp is preparing for a return to the ugly attacks of the '90s with clinton confidant sydney blumenthal. donald trump is forced to disavow his former butler after the man calls for the killing of president obama. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today donald trump made the