tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC May 12, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
he seemed like he was little drunk. like little tipsy. some of the debates, he would turn up at the bar, hope that reporters would be there. and so, i miss that i will bewaring bright blue shoe, it goes on from there. that does it from there. see you tomorrow. now, it is time fingerprint "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." i am tweeting rachel maddow, missing lindsey graham. >> if the presidential house were you on fire, and i could rekus one baby, he would be my baby. >> i didn't see that one coming. >> washington didn't see
anything like what happened there today. it was amazing, there has never been, a unity summit between. it was never necessary. it was a taste of what the presidency would be like. negotiating with the speaker of the house. donald trump, the self proclaimed great negotiator came out of the most important meeting of his political career with nothing.
>> it has been a crazy day down in washington. >> ryan looking for common ground. trump looking for acceptance. >> it is no secret that we have had our differences. >> he does not agree with him on immigration. >> he does not agree with the muslim ban. >> the process of unifying, takes time. >> he doesn't agree with him on taxes, on debt. >> you don't put it together in 45 minutes. >> there is a wide gulf between the two men. >> my 80% friend is not by 20% enemy, we believe that. >> nancy pelosi, saying, the paul ryan agenda is the donald trump agenda. >> to show unity is a disaster for them there. is no good choice for them. >> private meeting, very positive. >> running the miss universe pageant does not qualify as foreign policy experience.
>> this is the last word on campaign 2016. so, paul ryan he gave them him his first kingder garten class. he is the best teacher for donald trump. he has had experience with the tea party falcons, the ones who bring magical thinking to government. like it wouldn't be so bad if the u.s. defaulted on their debt. paul ryan never dreamed he would have to deal with one as the presidential nominee, the person second in the line to the president, the most powerful person in the legislative branch of our government, had to sit down to little donald trump, and explain to him what legislative
branch is, what the executive branch is, what the president can and cannot do. a document that donald trump apparently never read the constitution. >> we discussed the core principles that tie us all together. principles like the constitution, the separation of powers, the fact that we have an executive going way yrnd the boundaries of the constitution, how it is important that we restore article one of the constitution. >> article 1 of the constitution, is the longest article in the constitution. it was obviously, the most important one in view of the authors, it is article one. it begins where the founding fathers believe where the powers of the government should lie. all legislative powers herein granted should be vested in a congress of the united states, which shall consist of a senate and house of representatives. article one is all about the
powers of the congress. article two is about the powers of the presidency. article two, names the president the commander in chief of the armed services, can name cabinet members, the senate decides if the people can get those jobs. to declare war, that is to the senate. the tax, that will be a surprise to donald trump. the tariff relongs to the congress, want the president. and then, there is this line in article one, which paul ryan, will no doubt underline, when he gives a cope to little donald trump. the house of representatives shall choose their officers, and have the sole power of impeachment.
the president has no such power of of the speaker of the house. the president cannot empeach the speaker, the speaker has the power to lead the impeachment. if you read the constitution, if you know who had all the power, in that meeting today, you would know it by reading the constitution. a meeting between the speak of the house, and a candidate. if you have ever worked on legislation in the white house or congress, you know who has more power over legislative outcomes, you know all of those things, you have heard presidents promise and then not do. remember all of those things? that is because all almost all of them were up to congress. congress decided not to do them. it seemed like it was in president obama's power to close the prison at guantanamo bay. until congress passed a bill preventing him from doing that so, prisoners are still sleeping at gitmo tonight and will be for a long time.
remember, president george w. bush's re-election platform, remember it? nobody does. social security reform and tax reform. the two top items in president bush's second term agenda, never came to a vote in the house of representatives or in the senate. never had a vote in the committee congress ignored the president's legislative agenda, as the congress always does. unless the president is proposing something that congress already wants to do. president's bush's first term, he got the tax cut, only because republicans in congress wanted to do a big tax company. although the tax cut by the media, every word of that tax bill was written in the house and senate. so, if there is a trump presidency, the media will call it the tax cut, it will be
whatever paul ryan says it will be. every number in it will be written by paul ryan's staff, and the committee staff in the house of representatives. on his own tax cut. saying that the top income tax bracket may be higher because he will negotiate that donald trump is negotiating a way his tax cut on tv. the world negotiator in washington history already. and today, donald trump met face to face with the best, and smartest republican negotiator in washington. it was surely the easiest meeting paul ryan has issue had. paul ryan really didn't need 45 minutes for that meeting.
but the polite, wordy verlgz of such a meeting, always takes longer. than the blunt, honest version. all paul ryan really needed to say to donald trump today was, you can deal with me now, or can you deal with me later, if you become president, you will have to deal with me every day. what happens then is what i say happens. speakers 69 house have never had to say that to presidential candidates before, because everyone understands it if you have ever been in a real gov verning meeting at the white house with the president and the speaker of the house as i have, you would not be able to tell by their manner or by what they say which one of them is more powerful. the president or the speaker. everyone in the room knows that if the speaker doesn't want what president is selling, then it
isn't going to happen. because everyone in the room has read article 1. that part of the constitution that paul ryan began to explain today to little donald trump. joining us now, the leader of the never trump movement. and norm, and the co-author of "it is even worse than it looks." i say, get me norm. my question, when i am imagining the first 100 days of the trump presidency is, when is the last time a president got something that the speaker of the house didn't want? i believe the civil rights bill got pushed through on a discharge position. you tell me, what is the last time we saw it happen? >> probably the last time lawrence was in 1981.
ronald reagan got his tax and budget cut plan through a house that tip o'neill didn't want. frankly, the main reason that he got was it was it ended up coming up after he had been shot. he went in front of a joint session of congress, joked about what happened. showed a kind of elegance, in a way. and that probably propelled it to the top. otherwise, ru absolutely right. that speakers and presidents had better agree or the president isn't going to get what he wants. my guess is that this meeting did not convince donald trump of something that, if he ever became president, he would learn fairly quickly. >> tell us about donald trump was defeated in paul ryan's district s defeated in paul
ryan's state. how is t the way paul ryan is handling this so far, how is that playing back home? >> well, he is hanging on to a 64 point lead than his sara palin endorsed district. he doesn't have to worry about that 80 to 14 over this guy. sara palin doesn't have a lot of political juice back home. if the flying monkeys thought they would intimidate ryan, complete fail. ryan had two things, is donald trump going to campaign as an adult and as a conservative. there is no indication that he is willing to do either of those things. when i do think, part of this is political. you are talking about governing, i don't think that paul ryan thinks that donald trump will be president. he is trying to limit the damage, and limit the damage that donald trump will do as a
conservative. you want to know what is in that train. where is he taking the train? is the engineer a crack pot. there was a lot of happy talk. you heard that happy talk. everybody is being nice to one another. these differences, you outlined them. these differences are as fundamental as you can possibly get. paul ryan, who is a bed rock conservative. policy wonk, sitting in the room with a donald trump. >> what happens next. how they continue to talk about policy. >> deeper into the policy areas to, see where that common ground is, how we can make sure that we are operating off the same core
principles. >> norm, you and i know what happens next, that means the ryan staff gets in touch with the policy staff as it is in the trump campaign. here is what we need to hare, and we must never hear this. that discussion is going to go on for some period of time. my bet is, paul ryan does not give an inch to donald trump. >> right. i think that lawrence, donald trump and his policy people, who have noefr achors in much of anything, will promise all kinds of things. and trump is going to say, what he promised ryan he would say. and say exactly the opposite, and the other two times, confound all of these matters, he knows nothing about policy and fundamentally doesn't much care. and lawrence, ryan, ru right, has the upper hand here.
both now, and going forward. ryan has his own deep headaches with his party in the house. he can't get a beneficial, the one thing they have said, they can't get appropriation bills, unable to deal with the opioid crisis, that hits republicans more heavily than democrats, whether trump wins or not, there will be a pitched battle over policy and power between the establishment forces, trump populous forces, and the crazy forces, and ryan will have his headaches, whatever happens with trump. >> one of the pressures that paul ryan is not under right now, by the republican member system to endorse donald trump. very few of them have. they are all being slow about
this. what is clear from paul ryan. if you are a republican member of the house that doesn't want to endorse trump, he will never ask you to. >> norm is right. he is predictable, whatever donald trump says next week, he may change the next day. this is part of the problem, this is the danger when you are basically, getting on board an unguided missile like donald trump. paul ryan understands that right now, i think, part of me actually things, since we are doing a history lesson. in the back of paul ryan's mind, because donald trump has no ideas, that maybe he can as you point out, educate him. play the role that jack kemp played with ronald reagan. ive hate to compare them in any way. ronald reagan was not a big tax cutter. jack kemp is the great min mentor for paul ryan donald
trump is donald trump. you have no idea where he will go. the whole alliance could be gloun up by one tweet. as i said before, you will be hositage to everything that donald trump says. you played the cuts earlier. you can agree, come up with a tax plan or something like that what are you going to do with the 10 million illegal immigrants he is going to deport. the muslim ban, or vaccines or conspiracy? this will be the most complicated relationship we have seen in politics. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate it. coming up. in the first 100 days of a possible trump presidency, what would happen with the trump wall that mexico is supposed to pay
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senator harry reid said this before the meeting. >> trump owes the candidacy, antilatino, antimuslim, antienvironment, and antiobama, and anti-everything, republicans in the last eight years have made donald trump a reality. >> a symbolic coffin delivered during the republican summit with paul ryan.
to make the point that republican party is quote "dead to us." a group of reform activists, tried to deliver a coffin while donald trump was visiting with paul ryan. >> we are letting you know we are not for that we will not support republican leadership, meeting with a racist and hateful candidate. protesters delivered taco bowls to the office of republican senators, remarking about the tweet that he quote loves
hispanics. the chairman of the house democratic caucus. i want to listen for a second to donald trump's first big promise as a candidate. >> i will build a great, great wall on our southern border, i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. >> i will ask you to do something that is painful for you. imagine, just briefly, the possibility of a trump presidency, and in the first 100 dayings, what would happen do you think with that trump wall? >> first, if would take many more than 100 days and i don't know that will of the congress and the will of the people in this country ever let us build such a wall. i can't imagine what life would have been like for me, if my three daughters had been separated from their parents, i
can't imagine what it would have been like as a son of immigrants to be separated from my parents, i don't believe that next president will be about building walls, i believe we will have a president that wants to build schools, boost paychecks, give americans work and fight for that i don't believe we are going to be about the business of separating families and causing a lot of hate and separation and division in this country. >> in this fantasy, where donald trump is president, and mexico, of course, immediately refuses to pay for the wall. he turns to paul ryan, and say, i need several billion out of your budget to pay for a wall. paul ryan will say, mex you said mexico would pay for that. >> they are having a hard time getting anything done, rather than building a wall that donald trump imagines in his dreams. we are looking to create jobs,
we could be talking about a job agenda, instead of being asleep at the wheel. we should be talking about taking care of azeka funding, a disaster will hit our shore, as we started to see with ebola. the last thing, is engage in donald trump's fantasy to build walls around the perimeter of our country. >> donald trump said he wants to deport 11 million people. physically impossible. if every law enforcement agent devoted themselves to nothing else, it would be impossible to do. last month, he said about immigration reform. >> i am a person that believes for the undocumented, we have to come up with a solution that doesn't involve deportation. come and learn a legal status,
fix legal immigration, by the way i think is broken. >> do you suppose that paul ryan, what do you suppose he said to donald trump about that today in the meeting? >> i wish i were a fly on the wall in that conversation. >> we all do. >> it is interesting, lawrence. here, the speaker says, those things that you showed on video, yet, at the beginning of the speakership he said, we are not going to touch immigration reform. we are not going to do anything. it is broken. the immigration system is broken. as the speaker, the third most powerful person in the country, he is unwilling to do anything about it. whether it is paul ryan or any other republican, they are part of the trump ticket. at the end of the day, donald trump is an off spring of congressional republicans, if you scratch the surface of donald trump you will find congressional republicans, we are going through this for six,
eight years, i need not remind you of anything more than when a republican rudely shouted out to the president of the united states, you lie! even though the president was telling the truth about his health care bill, or another member of congress talked about how immigrants have calves the size of cantaloupes, because all they do is cross the border packed with drugs? shouldn't anybody be surprised we have a candidate for president from it republican party, mimicking what was said by congressional republicans over the last several years? >> ru on the list as a possible vice president. what would be your reaction if you were asked to serve? >> first, ru extending mother's day for my mother, who loves to hear these things. >> i knew she was watching. >> i think now my parents are glued to the television to see if someone will ask me that question.
i will tell you what i have been telling everyone, we are fortunate to have a candidate in hillary clinton, who i believe it make great decisions, one of the first she will make will be her running mate. i full have confidence she will make a great choice. we are getting ahead of ourselves. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> coming in the first 100 days, of a possible trump presidency, how many muslims do you think would be banned from entering the united states? multiple choice? a lot, a few, or zero? muslims banned simply because of their religion? ♪ ♪
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donald j. trump is calling for a complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. we have no choice. >> no choice. no choice. that was 157 days ago. now, there is a choice. last night, in a televised negotiation with himself, donald trump backed off the whole muslim ban thing? >> have you decided if you would back off on the ban, a temporary ban with an unlimited temporary period. >> i would back off on it, i would like to back off as soon
as possible. again, it is temporary. >> that was after donald trump began the day saying that muslim ban was just a suggestion. >> it is a temporary ban, it hasn't been called for yet. nobody has done it, it is just a suggestion until we find out what is going on. >> for the atlantic, and the fellow on the council on foreign relations. now, we don't know if paul ryan discussed the trump muslim ban today in that summit meeting, this is what paul ryan said the day after the trump's proposal. >> this is not conserveatism. this is not what this country stands for. not only are there many muslims serving in our armed forces, dying for this country. there are muslims serving here in the house. working every day to uphold and defend the constitution. >> graham, is there a security analyst that would suggest,
first of all, muslim ban, unconstitutional, can never happen. as an idea, is there a security analyst that would say, that would be helpful? >> no, you can see that the responses, when he proposed the muslim ban. you can find unity with law enforcement, analysts, everyone would agree, that to project the fact that muslims are un-american, not welcomed in the united states is alienating support of the agencies trying to keep us safe. that suggestion that we ban muslims is directlily counter productive. >> he just said something about this on fox news, let's listen to what he had to say. >> i would not allow people to come in from syria, they are not vetted properly, moving in by the thousands, i told you thousands of people would be moving in.
everybody said i was wrong, i was right. we don't know who they are, i would stop it immediately. we have tens of thousands of people, no documentation, we have to knock the hell out of isis. we have to get back to rebuilding our country. >> by thousands, he means almost 2000, 1,700 at last count, and no one is more closely screened in our systems than the people coming from syria. >> we have been stingy, in fact, with the number of spaces we have allowed to syrian refugees, the country of syria has been destroyed. people fled the country, because they have no choice. i think it portrays a misunderstanding of the nature of the isis threat. the reason they are coming is because they have no choice. the followers of isis are going
in the other direction. they are thousands who have come from europe, hundreds who have come from the united states, and the ones that we should sub worried about are the ones who are considering going over there, and decided to that no, it is a bad idea. just attack at home. these are not the refugees, these are want the ones that donald trump would seek to limit. >> we noticed that he softened on the ban, when the mayor said how stupid it was. that he would be banned. trump was reaction was, we would give him an exemption. publicly, reality, started t surrounding -- >> it makes us doubt to take him seriously. is that what he wanted to do, or something that gave him a news
cycle, a chance to have us talking about him? really, looking at the way that he operates, i am starting to think the latter. >> we will find out what it means to the supporters as he starts to back pedal away from the position that is he has taken. >> thank you, coming up. if paul ryan does endorse donald trump, does that mean that he believes that president obama was not born in the united states and was an illegitimate president? what else would endorsers of donald trump have to answer for?
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the first question that every republican should be ready for, when they endorse donald trump, do you believe that donald trump is right? that president obama was born outside of the united states? joining us now, the opinion writer for the post, and political analyst, and jerry -- joy reed. >> i believe it should begin with lying about the president's birth. >> the political phenomenon, that started him, being a berther. during that same time period, questions whether president obama could have been intelligent enough to go to harvard, and smart enough to write law review articles, all of the same things have the same implications.
he simply, by virtue of his background, couldn't be that smart. he had to be let in on another premise into harvard, that is all based on race. >> demand to see the transcripts, that he never demanded on any politician. i took to be an insult to to every black law school graduate, every black person admitted to graduate schools and law schools in the country. >> this is nothing terribly new. that is certainly what it was. an insult. as you pointed out in the intro, that is what all the republicans are saying, i am going to support the nominee. this is what they are signing up for. for these questions, they are associating themselves with theepz views and this man. i hope that worked for them.
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>> i think he should be hung next to hillary clinton, i think it should be televised, i think it should be on the portico of the white mosque, it used to be the white house. trump campaign spokeswoman hicks released this statement about him. >> we totally disavow and condemn these statements. the secret service said they are quote aware of this matter, and conducting an investigation." >> he is still around -- >> they call him the historian.
did decided who to be hung and who not. i too, lawrence, like you, i was not surprised to tell you the truth. >> imagine for us, the trump presidency, the first 100 days, imagine the sensations up there in america. particularly among the people we have been talking about, who donald trump has found ways of insulting as a group. whether he intended to or not, and thp on the heels of the first black president? >> i think that is what is striking fear into the heart of a lot of americans, seeing donald trump have so much electoral success. 49%, the idea that someone could be in the white house,
championing the racially offensive ideas, and casts off when he decides they are an idea. like an idea of banning all muslims from the country. the idea of that coming from the powerful pulpit that white house represents, is shocking that america could in theory go from barack obama to donald trump. >> what it would mean to black america, and america, generally, to make a transition from barack obama to donald trump. >> it would mean to a lot of people that country decided to take a giant step in the wrong direction, in terms of the progress we have made on racial issues over 250 years. and that it would be in reaction
to the two terms of the first black president. as if it were an aboration, in some ways to be erased. and that is you know, i am not sure i would call it a dog whistle. i think it would be more of a train horn. sort of appeal. that he is making, that i think, frankly, some people are responding to. >> when we come back, if republican women in the house and senate endorsed donald trump, should they have to answer for what donald trump has said about women? there are two billion people
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>> my daughterer, ivanka, says, i don't get it, dad. you respect and treat women better than any man i know. >> better than any man i know. apparently, american women know better men than donald trump. >> he is sort of everyone angry, middle aged guy who feels that he is somehow discriminated against, because he can't call the women in his office gals, without being hauled into hr. that is what donald trump's is. he can be successful for it, and doesn't get it trouble. >> against the woman who is
running against, listen to this. >> she is married to a man and nobody, nobody perhaps, in the history of politics, was worse to women or abused women more than bill clinton. she is taking negatives ads on me. i am like a baby. i am like a baby. here is a guy, he was impeached because he lied. do you remember the famous, i did not have sex with that woman! a couple of months later, i am guilty. >> for anyone who wonders why i began the show referring to him, little donald trump. he said, i am like a baby. >> i am like a baby, i have tiny little hands. you know. you know, if he didn't own the company, he would have been hauled before hr a long time ago.
this sort of, it is not just an antiquated view of women. it is a demeaning, patronnizing view of women. the idea that he is going to convince american women voters to castigate hillary clinton for having been cheated on by her husband, i don't buy. i don't think american women are going to buy either. >> a person who is flat chested >> a person who is
flat chested is hard to be a ten. >> i would like her in her fat ugly face the of hers. >> would anyone vote for that? >> i think i can say this in almost every segment we do in the trump campaign. the idea that republicans
typically do win, they won overwhelmingingly in 2012. this is a basis we have to have. donald trump is doing everything that he can to drive the women away. even if he stopped tomorrow, there is so much on the record that can be run in ads like that not just with him, against every republican up for re-election. >> that is why the smart strategists say, there aren't enough white men to elect this guy, that
will have to do it. >> that is what the numbers say. i don't buy the idea that trump has a viable path through it rust belt. he doesn't. there aren't enough angry old white guys to vote him n the only chance he is, is enough of
americans decide to break with conventional politics, and try something new. something clearly different. that is really the only, and i think, frankly, it is a long shot. i think that is the only shot he has got. >> jean robinson, tonight's last charm offensive. let's play "hardball." now on track to win. only hillary clinton lying