tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC May 16, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
if you don't ever see me again, liberty and justice is for all. >> starling says her only political agenda is three words. have good manners. >> have good manners. is her political campaign. ambrosia starling considering a run for alabama governor. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> you know, while you were working things changed in the trump campaign. remember had you he didn't need anyone to tell him what to say? >> oh, i can't a. >> that was then. he hired a polster tonight, rachel. that's the breaking campaign news tonight. >> just in time for his fund raiser, his super pack to gear up. >> now he's going to host those fund raisers so he can raise e
enough money to pay for that polster. >> well done. >> well, the two reporters who wrote the new york times story about how donald trump has behaved with women in private will join us tonight after a day when their work has been denounced by one of the women who appears in the article. also a third party candidate has finally stepped forward to offer never-trump republicans an alternative to trump in november. and president obama's last campaign manager joins us in the last-word campaign. he is the co chairman of that super pack that just gave us a look at the new attack ad that hillary clinton will be running against. >> number one, i'm not stupid. >> there are a lot of folks very nervous this is a disastrous decision.
>> i am a unifier. >> as i said before, this takes some time. >> i've had a phone call with somebody who wanted me to consider running as a third-party candidate. >> it's a suicide mission. >> presidential candidate who is demeaning to women, vulgar, crass. >> does that bother you? >> a lot of things bother me, chris. >> people have not expected maturity on his part. >> who i am? i'm his publicist. >> it's become a candidacy about nothing. >> it's not cool to not know what you're talking about. ignorance is not a virtue. >> this is the "last word on campaign 2016". breaking campaign news, donald trump has finally hired a polster. he used to say he didn't need one, just like he used to say he was self financing, now like every other candidate, he's hosting fund raisers to pay for an expensive polster and
presidential campaign that we always told you he could never afford on his own. and he's hoping that runs previous can help him discourage any third-party challenge in the never-trump movement but looks like 2016 might turn into the year of the collapse of the republican party and the rise of the libertarian party. republican senator ended speculation that he might mount a third-party challenge so the never-trump movement can vote for conscience besides hillary clinton. and as they continue to get turned down for third party candidate. standing there, watching it all, patiently waiting for the never-trump republicans to realize there is already a third
party that has ballot access in most states and agrees with the republican principal of smaller government is the libertarian party. the libertarian party is just sitting there, waiting for republicans in the never-trump movement to realize they don't need to find a new candidate. they can vote libertarian. gary johnson will join us later. robert and philip reported in the washington post this weekend about the never-trump movement saying those involved can see that an independent campaign at this late stage is probably futile and think they only have a couple of weeks to launch a credible bids and they're repulsed by the prospect of trump as commander and chief and desperate to take action. this week paul ryan said party unity isn't really closer than last week. >> we're beginning the process of discussing what unity looks like in the republican party. and this taks some time.
this isn't done with a couple of meetings. our teams are meeting next week to go over the principals that we universally republicans. let's not pretend that everyone is unified and on the same page. >> and then paul ryan was asked the easiest question a politician could ever be asked about the presidential nominee of his party. as long as that nominee is not donald trump. the question is do you believe that donald trump is someone that your kids can look up to? the question could not be simpler. it could not be more clear.
>> i'm not interested in litigating the campaign in the past. i'm not focussed on waiting for the day to day commenting internet back and forths. i'm interested in preserving policies and principals that give the country a clear choice. >> and we'll take that as a no. this evening, to no one's surprise, john kasich ruled out a third-party challenge. >> that would be viewed as kind of a silly thing and i don't think it's appropriate. i don't think it would be the right thing to do. >> and he warns republicans about trying to hijack another party. >> they can try to hijack another party and get on the ballot but it's a suicide mission for a country because it means you're throwing down not just eight years of the white house but potentially 100 years
in the supreme court and wrecking this country for many generations and so. i think that's the legacy these folks will leave behind. >> joins us now, political analyst and specializes in election law, and robert cost a, reporter for the washington post. and howard dean, former governor of vermont and dnc chairman joins us. to tony, the polster the trump campaign is hiring tonight. how does that change things? >> gives them a better window into what's going on in america. you need to staff it differently than a primary. >> robert kosta, everything you are hearing this weekend from the never trump movement and reaching around trying to find a candidate, getting noes from john kasich.
are you getting the feeling that the republican party is slidifying around donald trump. >> it is. they've conceded. many of them unenthusiastically, that trump is going to be the nominee and i was with trump an hour ago. we were trying to see how he was thinking about the general election and he kept talking about all these calls coming in from party leaders and we found out through other sources that he's going to meet with henry kissinger this wednesday in new york. so, you have these foreign policy eminents, he's going to meet with trump. you have the party leader backing him up on the sunday shows. >> how much time is he spending on fund raising now and does he think he has any problem having lied about that to get to this point in the nomination? lied about being a self
financing candidate, which he never was? >> he believes he can run a media campaign, dominate the conversation in that way but he is going to be going to new jersey on thursday. and the next weekend in late may, you're going to see trump go to california all over the west coast trying to raise money because he has raised the stakes. he's doing it for the party and he's trying to raise money for his own campaign. >> i can't wait to hear what henry kissinger has to say about donald trump's idea about let's get more nuclear weapons in places like japan and other countries like that. >> henry kissinger was always a diplomat. >> he also had a meeting with jim baker last week that seemed to be maybe a quicker thing and less planned preamble to it than the kissinger thing. what do you expect when he sits
down with a former secretary of state like henry kissinger? >> nothing. this is part of the ritual of becoming the nominee. he is apparently going to be the nominee. he had to go see the elders of the party. the bush folks have said they don't want much to do with him, which i would assume includes jim baker at some point. this is not a knock on the donald trump. he has incredible instincts about where his crowds are. i think this is going to be a very frustrating job for tony. it would be targeting resources. if we can dump radio advertising
there, tv advertising there, we might be able to go up four points and take that. >> you need a polster to tell you which media markets are the most accepting of your message. so, that is a resource allocation. he's not going to treat this as an unserious moment. and i have absolutely no doubt that kissinger is going to want to impress on donald trump just how wrong he is about so many things he talks about in foreign policy. >> i think the kissinger encounter is fascinating. because he comes out of the nixon, the realest school of foreign policy and we've seen the republican party be dominated by hawks and internationalists. and a lot of the trump message, a return to that vision on the world stage and maybe the hawks don't have the predominance they
have for a long time. >> howard dean kissinger, nixon, they opened china. and kissinger has continued to return to china over and over again. there can be nothing in trump's talk about china that henry kissinger likes the sound of. >> nixon and kissinger, they got it. they had a plan, a policy, they executed the policy. trump has no plan, no policy. he doesn't understand this. he got in a big fight with the prime minister of great britain who said something unattractival about him and trump went right back after him. you can't continue to do that as president of the united states. people are not going to take you seriously. >> they said trump's vp should have some diversity, of age,
gender, ethnic diversity. what do you make of that? and the names we're hearing? i think probably chairman was trying to open up the field to potential candidates and used the wrong word. >> we saw newt gingrich who said yes, i would like to do it and surely there are others out there. you have to believe you have no other future in elektival politics if this doesn't work out. you have to be somebody like gingrich with nothing to lose. >> i think he's going to look for an insider but someone who's serving as a governor, maybe came up through the house and has experience in washington.
>> all right. john kasich. >> well, we'll see. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, the two new york times reporters whose story, front page story has dominated the presidential campaign, called crossing the line. how donald trump behaved with women in private. that stories has been the senlt center of controversy for two days. those reporters will respond next. a heart attack doesn't care if you run everyday,
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lieu an grewer lane. >> i was promised so many times by them and to my manager and myself that it was a positive article that i was giving them that it was just each person's rendition of their experiences with donald trump. my experience -- >> they spun it into a negative? >> they absolutely did. i don't have a negative story to give about donald trump because i don't have a negative account of anything. >> her first tv appearance was this morning on fox news where she said essentially the same thing. donald trump himself called the control rooms at cnn and msnbc to make sure the networks were watching his former girlfriend on fox news. donald trump then tweeted with
the coming forward today of the woman central to the failing new york times hit piece on me. we have exposed the article as a fraud. here is one of the passages that lane and trump dispute. she is quoted in the article, telling this story. today, she said she was actually flatered by that encounter.
>> i never said that he paraded me anywhere and that word keeps coming up. i think it's a negative, ugly word. he didn't take me out and ask anybody what do you think? >> you said you were flattered? >> he didn't ask anybody anything. he said, now that's a stunning trump girl and i was very flatered. i was indeed flattered and made it very clear to that the writer that i was very flattered by that. >> joining us now the two writers for the story. did you both talk to her or just one of you she said this wasn't a demeaning moment at all. >> let me start at the
beginning. i spoke to her on two different occasions and i'm really grateful to her because meagan and i spoke to about 50 people. the vast majority were women. and lot of them were afraid to talk on the record. they were intimidated by candidate, donald trump, who's known to be -- >> can we do a quick parentheses. he said most of them aren't quoted because they must not be critical of donald trump. >> actually the story is about how complicated donald trump is. we didn't go out looking for anything. we understand what it's like to have an interaction with donald trump, if he's pursuing you roam antically and that's what the story was about. and let's talk about this dispute. you use that word, "dispute."
she has not disputed the stories that she told us. she seems to have not liked the overall story but does not dispute -- >> i haven't heard her dispute anything that appears in quotation marks. but she says she ad an editorial interpretation of what she said. i thought it was flattering that he commented me -- >> i suppose on some level it was flattering because she went on to date him. she used a number of words to describe this encounter, among them was she was taken aback by and a little shock bide the interaction of being asked to put on the bathing suit and talked about he wanted to see more of her body. >> and flattered, we suppose. we went on to point out that she had a whirlwind relationship with this man, she dated him for several months. and i think she got a lot of air
time and trump seized her comments to go on the attack and try to dismiss the entire story. but it was a 4500 word piece that we worked on for six weeks and had voices of people with encounters in the work place, going back to the 1960s. his days that military school where he was voted lady's man, even class mates describe him of using them as display. we talked to women from the beauty pageant world. there was a young woman who encounterered him when she was a young woman from utah competing in the miss u.s.a. pageant and him kissing her on the lips and how uncomfortable it made her. we spoke to people -- we examined the relationship of his parents.
the role of his father who, in his own word has described as controlling. his mother, who was in his own word accommodating to that. and then we also looked -- talked to lot of women who encountered him in the work place. we spent about an hour on the phone going oervg all the accounts that we gathered. we gave him a lot of ink in the story to say his own side and he even on the phone said listen, i want you to talk to other people who are working my organization. well, i got on the phone and talked to every single woman that he suggested we speak to and those voices were included in the story. we would like to pull the camera back and say this is a storhate the included a variety of voices and let's make sure that they continue to be heard. >> there is a 1/3 that is plainly positive to trump.
and you make it a point to quote people in the real are estate industry in new york saying it was extraordinary -- as he has said publicly, to put women in the places of responsibility that he did in his company. >> her name is barbara res. he is a pioneer in new york construction and owed a good deal of her career to donald trump. he put her in charge of building trump tower. >> and the piece indicates she was the only woman in new york in that job. >> what's fascinating is she inhabits all of the contradictions. she's given an incredible job and donald trump turns to her and says you really like your candy. basically tells her she's overweight. that was uncomfortable. she was about to send a young girl in the trump office to have a meeting with her and trump called her back and said not her.
barbara said that was because that woman wasn't pretty enough. she remembers a lot of the contradictions and paradoxes that make donald trump, for her, somebody who was a nurturing figure in her career and somebody who could be casually cruel. and viewed women primarily, she saw, through the lens of appearance. >> and once again, inside the workplace, even as he was promoting women to high positions of power. there was this history of unending commentary on the female form that existed in the workplace, outside the workplace miss universe in 1997 when trump took over, talked about sitting next to him in the audience of miss teen u.s.a. that year when his daughter ivanka was co hosting and how he turned to her and said she's hot, isn't she? and she was 16 at the time.
that left a lasting impression on this woman. so, she said actually i had this odd encounter and it made me feel uncomfortable. women in the workplace. let's look at trump and his first wife, ivana. another classic example of the complication that is -- the complications of figuring out trump and women. their marriage in the 1980s, he put her in serious positions of power within the trump organization. she served as president of one of his casinos. one of the major hotels in new york and at the same time paying her $1 a year in salary. by the end of his marriage said he had come to regret giving her power, that he didn't want to come home at the end of the day and have a wife that wanted to talk about the business. and said i wouldn't do that again.
he stood by that and said, yeah, that's something i stood by. >> this is the guy who has publicly said he has no regrets but the one he's put in writing was giving a woman, in this case his wife, too much control in business. there's such a madmen feel, the life of the 1960s, which is where donald trump began. these guys might be working with a woman in an executive capacity, but when she walks down the hall, they comment on things other than her abilities. >> this is a small family real estate company. women certainly did have lots of positions and there were lots of women in the offices. but donald trump is that company and he created the culture. so, when you think about the modern human resources department and all the
sensitivity training, that wasn't part of the trump corporate life. >> thank you for joining us on the end of your first day in the line of fire with this story. everyone should go to the new york times website and read this one. coming up, the campaign manager of president obama's winning reelection campaign is now running hillary clinton's super pack. he will join us in the war room tonight. recently, a 1954 mercedes-benz grand prix race car made history when it sold for a record price of just under $30 million. and now, another mercedes-benz makes history selling at just over $30,000. ♪ and to think this one actually has a surround-sound stereo. the 2016 cla. lease the cla250 for $299 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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time for tonight's war room. hillary clinton's super pack will launch its first tv ads against donald trump on wednesday in florida, virginia, ohio and nevada. here is one of those ads. >> nobody respects women more than donald trump. i can
tell you. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion? >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> and jim messina, a co chair of hillary clinton's osuper pack priorities u.s.a.
looks like you're going to be campaigning if hillary clinton gets the nomination against a republican nominee the likes of which we've never seen. it's hard for me to imagine what your meetings are like. do you think that you're going to have to play defense? there's going to be incoming from trump unlike anything you've ever seen before? >> well, lawrence, it's funny. i spent a year of my life praying that the world would give us donald trump for the nominee for president and i can't believe it but it's actually happening. i think it's clear that all campaigns are a choice and that choice couldn't be anymore crystal clearer between hillary clinton and donald trump and it's incumbent upon those of us who support hillary clinton understand donald trump's record.
>> an article in the new york times on how he plans to deal with hillary clinton campaigning against her. this is how he quotes donald trump in the article. just getting nasty with hillary won't work, mr. trump said. you really have to get people to look hard at their character and get women to ask if she's truly sincere and authentic because she has been ugly in trying to destroy bill's mistresses. how are you going to deal with that approach by donald trump? >> when i was president obama's campaign manager in 2012, every 10 days or two weeks, the smartest political operative would call me in the middle of the night and that was bill clinton and he would say they're all a referendum on the future. so, part of this is a vision. and donald trump, if he was in charge of having a vision, he'd be fired from his own reality show, right?
he has no agenda, no vision, no plans for this country. and we're going to make sure that people deal with that. do i think he will try everything he can to change the discussion away from his vision? absolutely. but we're not going to let him and in the end, people out there from montana to maine want one thing out of this campaign. they want to know who's going to make their family's lives better and donald trump has no answers for that and we're going to make sure people understand that. >> so, the clinton campaign and the super pack will try to make it about a vision for the future. the trump campaign seems to be throughing donald trump they want to make it a choice of character and they want to play on hillary clinton's unpopularity rating. do you want to play on donald trump's unpopularity rating, which is much higher than hillary clinton's? >> a very wise man once said all president elections are an x-ray of your soul.
i don't think he wants to fight this on character because he'd lose badly. he has the highest negatives i've ever seen in politics. yesterday with him having an 87% disapproval rating in florida. nationally over 80% with latino voters. those numbers show people looked inside of him and they don't like what they say. he's not going to run a campaign based on character. he's going to do one thing, exactly what he did in the republican primary and that's try to destroy his opponent. that's what he did to rubio, bush and what he's going to try to do with secretary clinton. >> a poll shows that a majority of trump supporters are more opposed to clinton than supportive of trump. that 57% of trump supporters support him mostly out of
opposition to hillary clinton. on the other side, 51% of clinton supporters mostly support her in opposition to donald trump. what does that tell you about how to fight this campaign? well, look, enthusiasm matters in a campaign. the most enthusiastic voters in america right now to vote in 2016, latino voters. they're 17% more likely to want to vote in 2016 than' 12 and that's because of donald trump. now, if you look at democrats are more excited and much deeper in our candidate than the other side does and that matters. president obama had record turnout twice because people wanted to be part of his historic campaigns. that's what secretary clinton is seeing as well and it's going to be a real problem. you and everyone else has been focussed for days on can trump consoldate its base?
it will matter in places like ohio, virginia and in florida. >> coming off two presidential campaign victories in a row. going for an unprecedented three in a ro really appreciate it. coming up, republicans looking for a third-party candidate should listen to the two-term republican governor running as the libertarian candidate for president. and later president obama will get a very special last word. ♪
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gary johnson was the nominee of the libertarian party in the last presidential election. he was on the ballot in 48 states and got almost 1% of the popular vote. libertarian party registration surged when donald trump became the presumptive nominee of the republican party. a veteran of the bush white house publicly changed her party registration to libertarian. joining us from las vegas, gary johnson, former republican governor of new mexico. governor johnson, make your case to never-trump republicans about why you are the third party candidate they should be looking at. >> well, lawrence, i think i'm unique package in all this. i'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. so, not only do i appeal to the never trump conservatives, which
is about smaller government. really about bernie sanders about 70% of what comprises bernie is libertarian. the whole notion of individual freedom of liberty, the ability to make your own choices. crony capital ism is alive and well, stop dropping bombs. let's legalize marijuana. and i think that's the lure. i think that hillary and trump are the two most polarizing figures in american politics today and when 50% of americans are saying that they're independent, where is that representation? i happen to think that the majority of americans are libertarian and just don't know it. >> the convention, the nominating convention for libertarians is on memorial day weekend? >> that's correct.
and as you pointed out earlier in your show, libertarian candidate for president will be on the ballot in all 50 states. of course, i hope to be the libertarian nominee, which makes me the only candidate which will be on the ballot outside of hillary and trump. you can have all the money in the world and starting tomorrow you could not get on the ballot in all 50 states. starting tomorrow, there's a good chance you couldn't get on enough to be mathematically elected. >> and you are favored to get that nomination and please come back when and if you do get that nomination. would love to have you as the freshly nominated candidate. you're currently polling at 4%. and including you, at 4%. that's significantly higher than you actually won last time
around and it's within 1% of qualifying for federal funding. if the libertarian candidate this time around gets 5% of the vote, in the next presidential election, you would qualify for federal funding, which strikes me as ironic, because i assume you would oppose federal funding of elections. >> well, actually the 5% thresh hold enables them to be on the ballot without enabling the signatures. it's a monumental task to get on the ballot in all 50 states. it's really a rigged game, lawrence. i was included in a poll a month ago and was at 11%. if mickey mouse were the third name in any poll, he would poll at 50%. but he's not on the ballot. so, key for me is just being in the polls.
i don't know what the two major parties have to fear hearing just another viewpoint in this country that i think is reflective of most americans and i'm back to being fiscally conservative, socially liberal. >> we're going to have to leave it there for tonight. appreciate it very much. coming up, president obama gets tonight's last word. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends.
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killed while responding to a domestic disturbance call in virginia. president obama mentioned her in a ceremony at the white house awarding the medal of valor to 12 police officers and one fbi agent who performed heroically in dangerous situations and saved lives. one of them, sergeant robert wilson the iii lost his life while saving lives. president obama told his story. >> he gave his life when two men opened fire at a video game store where sergeant wilson was buying his son a birthday present. to his family who's here, his grandmother constance, his brother and sister, please know how deeply sorry we are for your loss, how grateful we are for sergeant wilson's service. >> the president presented sergeant wilson's medal of valor to his grandmother.
in upstate new york, patrolman, after seeing the murder of a fellow police officer chased the gunman on foot into a hospital where patrolman managed to apprehend him without firing a shot. l.a. p.d. officer dona thompson was off duty when he ran across a freeway to pull an unconsciouses man out of a fire. santa monica police officers, jason salas and robert sparks, along with captain raymond boughtenfield, were awarded a medal of valor for confronting a gunman on campus killing six people in a deadly rampage. others include guttierez, home home police department, gregory
ens of the garland police depant in xas. nile johnson of the north miami police department. fbi agent tyler call. and joey of the niagara county sheriff's office in new york. >> we want to thank you for your service. we want to thank your families for your sacrifice. i had a chance before i came out here to meet with the recipients and i told them that although this particular moment for which you are being honored is remarkable, we also know that every day you go out there, you got a tough job and we could not be prouder of not only moments like the ones we recognize here today but just the day to day grind. you doing your jobs professionally.
you doing your jobs with character. we want you to know we could not be prouder of you and we couldn't be prouder of your families for all the contributions that you trump versus the times. let's play hardball. >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. donald trump pushed back hard yesterday that looked at his treatment of women and called the story a lame hit piece and a joke. he also said it was malicious and according to the times piece, interviews with dozens of women that knew him e reveal