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expose themselves what we're watching right now on our national stage. thanks for being with us "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> it's interesting, the times got better, he got worse. >> the "new york times" reports on donald trump's treatment of women and tonight those women are speaking out. >> i was not happy with the way that the article was written. >> how the trump campaign and donald himself are pushing back. then why third party talk won't go away in spite of dire republican predictions. >> it a suicide mission for our country. >> new questions about democratic party unity at the state convention turns ugly in nevada. and the most novel defense net of donald trump's publicist, john miller. >> james addison, john addison, alexander hamilton, they all ruled under pseudonyms.
>> ever since the start of his feud with megyn kelly, donald trump has been widely criticized about the way he talks about women in public. thanks to big front-page report on saturday in the "new york times," trump's private treatment of women is in the spotlight. it says it conducted more than 50 interviews with women, 11 of whom were quoted by name. the result is a somewhat contradictory portrait of some women, seemed to treat them as sex objects. trump once asked miss usa to evaluate each other telling them, "i don't care if she's sweet, is she hot." and "you like your candy," it was him reminding me i was overweight.
trump's fixation with physical appearance also extended to his own party. lee says ivanka trump was on stage co-hosting the miss teen usa pageant when trump turned to her to ask don't you think my daughter's hot, right? ivanka, who is his daughter, was 16 at the time. in another incident, a woman was working with her then boyfriend in a beauty pageant when she said the real estate mogul made unwanted physical advances. in a 1996 deposition, he described trump asking are you sleeping with her? and being dismissive of the relationship. "basically he name dropped throughout the dinner when he wasn't groping me under the table. let me just say this was a very
traumatic thing working for him." trump has been tweeting up a storm. "the failing "new york times" wrote yet another hit piece on me. all are impressed with how nicely i treated women. they found nothing." today one of the women named in the story is disputing the paper's account of her interaction with trope. -- trump. he suddenly took me around the hand and showed me around the mansion. he asked me if i had a swimsuit with me. i said, no, i hadn't intended to swim. he took me in a room, opened drawers and asked me to put on a swim suit. the two would go on to date for several months. in an interview this morning, brewer-lane didn't dispute the paper's version of the events,
just the conclusions they drew from those events. >> they did take quotes from what i said and they put a negative connotation on it, they spun it to where it appeared negative. i did not have a negative experience with donald trump. he never made me feel like i was being demeaned in any way, he never offended me in any way. he was very gracious. >> trump called the control rooms to make sure producers had seen brewer-lane's interview. brewer-lane then went on to appear on this network and cnn to tell her story. but according to one woman, barbara rez, was head of trump's construction in the 90s and she credits trump with giving her a chance. in a live chad today she said her former boss is not fit to be president.
>> he thinks he's great for women but he says terrible things about women. when you are a person in a presidential position, you are not howard stearn. you can't just say the first thing that comes to your mind, even if it does come to your mind. you can't rate women, you can't talk about their bodies. you can't say you're not a 10 if you don't have a certain breast size. so, no, it has nothing to do with whether or not he should be president, it has to do with the character that he's presenting. and that's not, in my opinion, fit for the presidency. >> barbara plans to vote for hillary clinton. joining me now the former deputy campaign manager for carly fiorina. even before the "times" article, the there's the whole archive with the donald trump interview. what do you say to people who have looked at all of this and concluded that basically donald trump is a pig, that he's a sexist? >> i think that they're making
an incorrect conclusion. he's a total champ women. otherwise i wouldn't be working for him. i mean, the true sexist in this race is hillary clinton. >> okay. do you not see anything problematic with, say, groping an employee underneath the able during a meal? >> these are accusations made by people who interact or know mr. trump, who are trying to gain notoriety. >> that is from a deposition years ago. >> if you read the "new york times" article, she retracts that. >> she doesn't retract it. >> she does and she said he didn't mistreat her. >> there was a moment when trump said look at that face, how would you want to vote for that? >> i think all women understood that comment.
it's not that the "new york times" is spot on in every example of sexism, it's that donald trump has shon himself to be an authoritarian, a tyrant and a bully. in the case of donald trump, it's not just this "new york times" story. it's a history over decades of his character being shown over time and under pressure where he sexualizes women, bullies everyone and belittles people who don't agree with him. >> do you think maybe the best way to respond he is to talk about donald trump's policies on snaerts. >> -- matters? >> let's talk about his hiring practices. if anything, as i said previously, he empowers women
and they have a seat at the table and he respects their decision in business and on his presidential campaign. >> i think the thrust here, i'll read from this 1997 new yorker story, a doctor, i asked trump where she had done her training. i'm not sure, he said, "bay watch medical school?" i'll tell you the truth, once i saw her photograph, i didn't need to look at her resume. but the time she spent 15 years at mt. sinai, we don't want to look at her. yes, he hired her but the thrust is every way he evaluates women tends to be based on their looks. the guy ran a beauty pageant. >> mr. trump has garnered support, that includes women, stay-at-home moms, you name it and they're excited to vote for him.
let's talk about hillary clinton and the way her husband has treated women. >> her husband isn't running for president. >> they are married and it reflects on her and she's threatened the women he's had extra marital affairs with. >> sara, do you think there's lasting damage on the republican party how they see the party through the personage of donald trump? >> he's certainly not a conservative. >> wait a second, he's got the nomination to the republican party. >> be that as it may, he couldn't talk about policy because he doesn't have any. any time he talks about policy, he's retracting it or reversing it or saying that was just a
suggestion. there are no policies in the trump campaign aside from his twitter account. >> what do you think about that? >> i'm sorry that your candidate is not still currently in the race. we are engaging in policies and rolling those out as we proceed to run for the presidency and the general election. >> he just -- you rolled out a tax plan and took it back. what policy should we believe him on, even if he does say they're his policies. minimum wage, he reversed on that. he's pro-life and then he's not and now he wants to punish women. >> mr. trump is the nominee. we'll let that speak for itself. >> you talk about rolling out policy. are there areas we can expect to see pronouncements in terms of him supporting a statuary way of addressing the pay gap between men and women?
>> it's premature to talk specifics but we will continue to campaign hard and be out boots on the ground approach where mr. trump is having conversation with american vote that's they're having behind their closed doors and he's winning their votes based on merit. >> sarah. >> i think what she means is they're going to continue to tweet hard and then when it comes to policies, it's anyone's guess. >> can i ask you about the abortion issue? i talked to omarosa earlier today. he is anti-abortion and will nominate a justice to the supreme court that believes roe v. wade was wrongly decided. is that correct? >> he clarified his position -- >> two weeks ago.
>> he sent out a statement regarding that so i'm going to refer you to that statement. >> all right, thank you both. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i'm joined by joy reid, hoist of msnbc's "a.m. joy," it is a great show, it is great to have you. >> thank you. >> well -- >> that was interesting. >> part of the issue here is that here's a guy who's got this profile -- there's a certain kind of persona that he projected and i think that's what it is how he thinks about women and that's been pretty consistent. there's not a lot of inconsistency about how donald trump talks about or views women either. >> one of the things that donald trump has going for him is the lack of element of surprise. because we've known who he is for a long time, it's not
shocking, his view of women. >> it's important to note something here, this is not partisan on this end. i know democrats. i know people who are sexist pigs. there are men in this world of every ideology and stripe who have terrible attitudes. the question becomes a party facing kind of gender gap it is, what does it do to at that? >> and he's not even aligned with the conservative movement. the people who dislike him the most, so he's not aligned with them. i think it's the fact that the party is now accepting the idea that it can be led by somebody with this known history. the more we know about it, it just adds to the pressure. the reason that that matters is because the gender gap that republicans enjoy is very
specific, right? democrats typically overwhelmingly women -- 76% of latino women, 66% of asian-american women, that's in the wash. we can presume -- he does worse with women of color than mitt romney in 2012. it was an 11-point gender gap in their favor to george w. bush that went down with sarah palin was back on the ballot. republicans need to have as many white women as possible. the gender gap didn't help mitt romney win. >> i hear "just getting nasty with hillary won't work." there's whom books to be written about bill clinton, which have been written.
that's not some big secret. >> and he's not running for president, as you are pointed out, he's off ballot. but that is also known information. but the problem is anything -- particularly unmarried and married white women to cross over to hillary clinton, you end up what happened with sarah palin. it closed the gender gap to 7 points. what they want to do is maximize that gender gap in their favor and trump doesn't do that. >> i think there is a degree to which all this stuff does help him with a certain segment of men. >> sure. >> and we're seeing a huge gender divide open up. he has much higher net favorables among republican men than republican women. >> the problem is white voters overall are going to be 69% of the electorate.
an 11-point gender gap with white women in mitt romney's favor still netted him a 5 million vote deficit with barack obama. they do not want anything that tempts more particularly unmarried white women to cross the aisle. >> still to come, the incessant rumors about a third party candidate. chaos at the nevada convention as hillary clinton and bernie sanders supporters clash.
some cases literally duking it out at nevada's democratic state convention. things at times descended into chaos. sanders supporters demanded a recount of delegates and booed barbara boxer while she was spoking to the convention. >> when you boo me, you're booing bernie sanders, go ahead. >> at what point a brawl, about what we're not sure, broke out on the floor of the convention. >> sanders supporters came into the convention with a delegate edge from the county conventions it had already met, that despite having lost the original caucus tally of votes in february. perhaps summing up the feeling of many sanders supporters, some
wrote "cheating is not winning" on the headquarters. democratic unity that seems to be just around the corner is no where to be found. joining me now, charlie pierce. writer at large from "esquire." the state chair has reported to the "new york times" she's got all sorts of threats, her number was published. i wanted your historical perspective, charlie, in terms of this being in the range of par for the course of a contested primary or this being in some different register.
>> well, i think that, you know, as with everything, technology accelerates every part of the process, including the emotions. certainly it's nowhere near as bad as the chicago convention in 1968. i'm not even entirely sure it's as bad as the stop mcgovern movement at the democratic convention in 1972 was. that being said, everything that's bad that happened we're all going to see because everyone's a movie director now. i think there's lots to be said for looking at the nevada process and doing something simpler. you give everybody an opportunity to feel cheated. but i do think that bernie sanders is running hard and a very necessary campaign and that it should not end in a temper tantrum. >> one of the things i keep my eyes are on the favorability ratings among the parties. for all the dishing on the republican side, i'll talk to a
republican consultant who is toying with the idea of backing some kind of third party runner. the comparative favorable and unfavorables, they're not that far apart among their own parties. what that means to me is ultimately they're going to get to -- trump is going to get to the standard of what you would expect for any nominee of the republican party. the question is whether over the next two months we see this increasing fissure in the republican coalition and whether that comes back together. >> i don't know if you're -- >> i'm sorry, democratic coalition. >> yeah, i honestly as awful as those scenes were out of nevada, i don't think the split is that great by and large. i think there will be the possibility that you'll have trouble maybe in philadelphia. if the democrats are very lucky, they'll have nothing more than what ron paul did in tampa in
2012, which is to have a lot of people yelling at one point and then everybody comes together. i never underestimate the capability of the democratic party to fall apart completely, however. >> yeah, i can't get a handle on what it means for this party right now at this point when this -- the person who had been running ahead had been the presumptive candidate all along, sanders continued to get big crowds and at some point suck it up and vote for hillary clinton. >> what's the second day story going into california? is it still delegate count? probably. it's hard to get people to care about delegate count.
>> kentucky is where clinton has been putting some resources into, spent some time campaigning there, she's been there with the former democratic governor, with her husband. they seem to really want to win kentucky in the way they've skipped west virginia just a week ago. >> right. you'll have to also remember on the down side, they went all in for lundgren grimes. >> that's a great question. charlie pierce, thanks for joining us. >> if you've had trouble keeping track of the story lines coming out of the trump campaign, we have the solution for you that we will debut in just 80 seconds.
one of the challenges of following the donald trump phenom nom are keeping to keep up with what he says. >> we've come up with something of a solution. our list of trump's last ten, our tally of the most recent controversies in chronological order. you have everything from trump pretending to be his own p.r. guy, the racist ex-governor who wants the president to be killed, and the mean tweet of
ted cruz's wife. now at the bottom is trump's comon that, hey, he might use nuclear weapons in europe. and pretty soon, possibly hours from now, the whole possibly nuking europe thing will get knocked into the news cycle memory hole. it marks one small attempt to keep the spotlight on some of trump's controversies. coming up, why it is important not to treat the trump campaign antics as the new normal. stay with us.
i just think running third party doesn't feel right. it's not constructive. a third party candidacy would be viewed as kind of a silly thing. i don't think it's appropriate. i just don't think it would be the right thing to do. >> the trick for conservatives committed to mounting some kind of independent or third party bid in order to prevent a donald trump presidency seems to be finding the right candidate or i should say one of the biggest in a long line of tricks backers need to pull off. john kasich said in an interview today he would not be running on a third party ticket. it appears the same could be
said for nebraska republican senator ben sass. nbc news asked sass about the chatter surrounding his name and he said he's never been interested. kasich and sass were mentioned in a report on friday for top recruiting prospects by gop figures so repulsed by the thought of donald trump as commander in chief. and also mentioned was mark cuban. >> i think they looked at me more because possibly i can afford to fund it, that it was an interesting concept to me but there's no reality to it. it just wouldn't work. >> do you look at the white house, the presidency, american politics and say the skills of a business leader make for a strong president? >> absolutely. you have to be knowledgeable, you have to be prepared, you have to be willing to learn, you have to have a thirst for knowledge. what makes a great business person definitely would fit as a
president. the question is is donald that kind of business person? >> at this late stage, whoever republicans might get as an alternative to trump, they better do it quickly. joining me, rick wilson. you have been involved in the conversations that have been happening around something, whether it's third party or independent. i want to be clear it might be one or the other. what are those conversations like? >> well, look, the conversations are in two basic silos. how do you do it logistically, financially and build out a campaign effectively. those things are pretty explicable and pretty well set up. the difficult part, as we've acknowledged, is finding someone who is the right fit, right character, and who is willing to do this, engage in this uphill climb, tough battle. no within thought it was going
to be easy but we're certainly still talking to folks, even some that you're reporting that have said no haven't slammed the door as tightly shut as one might think. it's certainly an ongoing fight. >> i want to get your response. part of the issue is whether that person is making a calculation whether they can win or not. there's reason to think they would have a very hard time. that was the conclusion michael bloomberg put together and here's what reince priebus has to say on "face the nation." >> this is a suicide mission, it is not right. i think what people should do is take the paul ryan approach, which is to work with donald trump and find out whether or not there's common ground and whether there can be assurances on the supreme court and those sorts of things to make sure that our future is secure down the line as opposed to blowing everything up. >> i mean, that's sort of the issue here, right?
is what you're discussing essentially some sort of symbolic but to you and the folks around you important statement, or is it an attempt to actually win? >> it's an attempt to actually save the republican party from itself, an attempt to save the conservative movement from donald trump. and as much as i like reince personally, the guy's got the thousand-yard stare and he's blinking out torture any time he says anything anymore. he's gone so far over the line ignoring things about donald trump, that 65% of the people that have cast votes have said stop, wait, we don't want this guy. this is a movement that recognizes he's a terrible existential risk to not just the party but to the movement. all these people thought donald
trump's going to be my guy on the wall and china. the guy is saying over and over again, i'll be so nuanced, i'll be see flexible, you won't believe it. once they're betrayed and donald trump reveals he's not a conservative, they're going toy say, oh, my god, what have we done? it's not a simple question to find and fund and run this campaign but it's an essential prays to do this. >> is he a bigger existential threat to the party if he wins or loses? >> if he wins. he'll take all the things you hated about barack obama if you're a conservative, his willfulness, his impulsiveness, his desire to use all the powers of the executive office and ignore the judicial branch and -- >> who are you going to vote for?
>> i'm not voting for hillary clinton as i said over and over again for months on end. at this point i will hopefully have a good third party conservative option to vote for. if not i'll be looking at other third party option who is are more libertarian leaning, in my case at least, and pending that, i vote for the sweet media of death. this is not a choice where i will pick donald trump. and the other thing reince gets wrong is he's promising these things he's going to do but he's never held to a single promise ever. >> bill kristol was called a renegade jew today. we suggested mr. kristol that he should run himself so pass that along to him. >> i'll let him know what the coverage looks like. >> thanks for joining us.
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frankly, he gets called by everybody. hoop he gets called by everybody in the book. >> is it you? >> no, i don't think it -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time and it doesn't sound like my voice at all. >> after the day's long brouhaha over whether or not donald trump did in fact pose in 1991 as his own imaginary p.r. guy john miller in order to brag about his own -- he admitted it in an interview. >> they focus on whether or not donald trump may or may not have, you know, posed as a
public relations man in order to get his spin and his side of the story. trump wanted to get his spin on a story, so he handled the press call himself. probably because he didn't want to pay a public relations expert. >> nice to see roger stone acknowledging what appears to be the obvious, that john miller is in fact donald trump. this was strenuously -- he tried to argue that donald trump and hillary clinton have the same positives and negatives among voters. >> they do not. he's 10 points highhigher. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't argue mathematics. go back and look at those polls.
>> he and hillary have exactly the same positives and negatives. >> they do not. he's 10 points higher. >> you can't argue mathematics. look at the last five polls. it's the truth. >> look at the last five polls you'll find trump and clinton have the same negatives and positives. here are the last five polls as listed by real clear politics. public policy polling, trump's favorable rating is lower than clinton. the economist, you go poll, same thing. cnn-orc poll, trump 's favorable still lower than clinton.
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today the sport took a highly unusual step that basically said we're not going to rule on this and we think you guys can work it out. it's a case involving the affordable care act contraception mandate. what was the issue before the court? >> the affordable care act had a list of minimum coverage requirements. one of those for preventive care, one of those was birth control. you're supposed to cover it with no co pay. a bunch of different religious objections occurred as a result of that. for hospitals, charities,
seminaries, they got a work around. they said you doesn't have to -- don't have to pay for it. and the president said we done a work around. and now here we are two years later, anthony kennedy says i can't decide. >> the accommodation, catholic hospitals, catholic universities, charities, they say the federal government says we have to sign this form in order to get this religious conscious accommodation. >> and you don't have to pay for it at all and the insurer covers it directly. to that they object. they say it still triggers contraceptive coverage and they object. >> the court with four members on, quote, each side, reading between the lines sort of said we can't decide this, we're tied. >> right.
>> so all of the appeals courts but one said, no, you have no argument. when a religious objector can't say no going to the army, they can't say, no, someone can go in my place. the supreme court, first they asked for another round of briefing, then they said we can't figure it out right now, you should come up with a compromise, birth control and women's access to health care is important, religious rights are important, you figure it out. so everything will depend on when this case comes back from the courts of appeals and the ninth justice will be the tie breaker. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> still to come, how donald trump is so far surviving the litany of controversies that would traditionally end a campaign.
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we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds who could be qualified to become members of our cabinets. i went to women's groups and said can you help us find folks? and they brought us whole binders full of women. >> do you remember that? four words that alienated women voters. now imagine the donald trump reference binders full of women. would anyone even notice? trump has given us a procession
of controversy that's been so over the top so unlike anything we've seen before, the old rules seem to be dead. these days the gop presumptive candidate say retweeting white supremacist isn't even a big story. there's a big danger in that, the pressure to treat trum's behavior as normal as grown during his political ascent. it's gotten to the point that you could say people don't care what he says or does. point made by reince priebus. >> i think these stories that come out, people just don't care. these individual things that we're going to be talking about or reading about, i don't think they're going to hit him. i think they're going to bounce off of him. >> it's great to have you here. what's the trust of your story?
>> with everybody story that talks about his vice presidential picks and his tax policy and whatever normalizes him. it turns -- it aids and abets his goal to be elevated and this is a man who we dare not elevate. it is time for the press to make a decision. this is an historic moment. the democracy is at stake. >> okay. but -- and i liked your piece a lot. part of it is structural. part of the normalization that's happening here is the guy is going to be a nominee. we're talking about his vp person, we can't pretend we live in an alternate universe -- >> we just have to pay attention
to the most important of the universe. the news is what's new. we have as default what happened today. with trump creating constant, constant petty controversies and not so petty ones, it's easy to be distracted by whatever he says today or by whatever it is the mandarins say is important. but what is important about trump is not what he said today. we shouldn't cover him like the weather. we should cover him like the iran hostage crisis. they were abducted 400-some days and they were covered the same every day. his ignorance of public policy, his misogyny, --
>> when you cover a campaign, there are campaign political reporters covering the candidates and there's a tremendous pressure to find false equivalency. sure donald trump does this but hillary clinton does this. so there's that pressure there. and then there's the other side of campaign coverage every day that's from commentators and pundits, and i think bringing up that binders full of women was important because there was a tremendous amount of outrage after that. i remember conservatives saying this is ridiculous, how trumped up this is. when you find that level of outrage at every single campaign, it's hard for commentators to go further. what's the new level of outrage to take on trump when it's gone way, way further. >> the fact that he has no
public record as a public official. we tend to gloss over that. there are things that are carved in stone, votes they've taken, budgets they've passed, bills they've advocated or vetoed, none of that pertains here. it is truly a unique situation. on matters of public import, all they the things he's said. >> in the last four months he's said and done so many things that are disqualifies, not just to be the republican candidate for the presidency, the man is quintessentially against the american way about immigrants, about the first amendment, about xenophobia, he's a horror show and i don't think the story is the push and pull between him and hillary. the story is that he potentially could be president of the united states.
forget the campaign, the story is to focus on this man. he is a disaster in the making. >> even if i substantively agree with you, you are urging a level -- >> i know you do, this is msnbc. >> people sort of know where i'm coming from on this stuff more than the sort of normal anchoring medium is. but the point is that's still a judgment the "new york times" isn't going to make. structurally they cannot say to the new york people. they have to say like this guy is a candidate. >> one of the benefits of working at buzz feed is we've been writing our ethical standard and guides over the last few years, rather than the last hundred years. our editor has said we can call out donald trump as a liar and xenophobe. that's not natural for the "new york times." >> but the time has come for the press to take a stand.
and if not now, i don't know when. >> that's all here. i'll be hosting the midnight show of the primary coverage. in the meantime, you can watch "the rachel maddow" show which starts now. >> sometimes, my friends, you run into head winds, literally. this video was taken this morning. this is on the top of mt. washington in new hampshire. the top of mt. washington is known for its heavy weather. there's an observatory right up at the top of the summit of mt. washington and two guys today working as water observers naturally, they decided to take it upon themselves and document what it looks like for humans to be on top of that mountain in