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good evening. it's tuesday. what else are we going to be doing? but watching election returns. i'm chuck todd in washington, welcome to the start of msnbc's special election night coverage of the primaries that are in kentucky and oregon. these contests matter more than you might think, believe it or not. i'll explain. hillary clinton finds herself in at least with one poll in a dead heat against trump. she's looking to go full bore against the republican front-runner, but her campaign is stick right now, in an increasingly nasty and prolonged
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primary fight with bernie sanders. clinton needs to unify her party and focus on trump if she's going to beat him, but she can't do that if sanders keeps on winning states. polls close in less than two hours in kentucky. this one is probably going to be a close one. clinton won the state in 2008, but sanders has racked up wins in west virginia and indiana. at 11:00 p.m. eastern, polls close in oregon. it's a progressive state that should give sanders an advantage, but anything can happen. and the only public poll actually had clinton ahead. and yes, donald trump may be the presumptive nominee, but he didn't want any sign of weakness, so he's urging his folks for a statement vote tonight in oregon. so we'll be watching tonight in oregon, there's things there to unpack. the democratic party is showing signs of stress. not as bad as the republican
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side, but it's not good. the party's convention in nevada had to be shut down due to security issues after sanders supporters exploded in anger at what they thought was a rigged process in favor of clinton. death threats were made against roberta lang, the democratic chairwom chairwoman. here's some of the voice mails she received. >> high roberta lang, this is a citizen of the united states of america and i just wanted to let you know that i think people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world we won't stand for this sort of corruption. you need to step down from that position because you are bad for america and bad for the democratic party. >> roberta, you know, thousands of people watched what you did tonight at the convention, if you don't think that's coming back to bite you in the [ bleep ], you have got another
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thing coming. >> roberta lang spoke to my colleague today, saying her family were also threatened. during a campaign gaggle with reporter it is today, bernie sanders was asked for his thoughts on this mess. he spoke about his expectations for tonight's primary, but he didn't want to touch the nevada controversy. >> i feel about oregon and kentucky the way i usually feel, and that is, if there's a large voter turn-out, i think we'll win. >> this past weekend was the nevada convention -- >> i think we'll leave it there. >> do you have any reaction to that? >> not a good look there in front of a camera. >> the dnc said, there is no excuse for what happened in nevada, and it is incumbent upon all of us in positions of leadership to speak out.
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sanders statement read, quote, within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. party leaders in nevada claim that the sanders campaign has a penchant for violence. well, that is non-sense. it goes without saying that i condemn any and all forms of violence, but when we speak of vi violence, i should add here, shots were fired into my campaign office in nevada and an apartment of my campaign staff was broken into and ransacked. we should note that clint won the february 20th nevada caucuses, getting a 20/15 delegate split. the bottom line, these divisions cannot heal while the primary
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rages on. her message is not as central and identifiable as trump and sanders who have much more simpler messages that are resonating. adding to the urgency, signs that republicans may be making head way in unifying what seemed to be a very fractured party. 6 in 10 republicans say they trust trump over ryan to lead the republican party. and today, ryan basically handed the torch to trump when asked to react to those numbers. >> i hope it's donald trump. he's getting the nomination. i mean -- he should -- he's wrapping up the nomination, good lord i hope it is, because the person who is getting the nomination of our party is the person to lead our party. >> and our new nbc news/survey monkey online poll as the race between trump and clinton narrowing to just three points. we do this every week, same methodology. it's different from other methodologimetho methodologimetho
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methodologi methodologies, we're doing both. you can't be a snob about any one way of doing it. this comes as trump hires his own pollster, even though in the past, including to me, he has called the idea of hiring a pollster, a waste of money. but apparently he's got money to waste. it's a sign he wants any edge he can get against clinton. let's dive in to kentucky right now. tony dokoupil joins me from bowling green. you look pretty lonely out there, tony. there was a bigger crowd at tsa last night? >> that's right. kentucky has a little bit of a problem with voter turn-out. there's a law in kentucky which prevents us from being inside and filming voters, but we have been inside, because there's been very few voters coming. the timing is bad for the democratic party, because kentucky is falling on the same day as oregon.
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they expect about a 20% turn-out. in oregon, last time it was open, 75% of registered democrats went to the polls. so we're at the moment in the race realizing that their guy may be running out of space here to lock up the nomination. they're looking at rules and events like the primary today in kentucky and wondering, if this were open, if more states were open, if things were a little bit different, maybe our guy had a better chance. >> that's something we'll be watching for tonight. we'll see. thanks, tony. steve kornacki is at the big board with a look at what 2008 tells us about tonight. no one knows the blue grass state better than our own perry bag bacon. all the states she won in 2008, she's losing basically in the same way that she won them eight years ago. >> that's right. the story line eight years ago
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this time was people were saying, barack obama's going to be the nominee, what's hillary clinton still doing? the clinton campaign says, we're still winning primaries. they won in west virginia, where bernie sanders won last week. eight years ago, they won in kentucky and one of the reasons clinton has emphasized kentucky in the last couple days, this is the one kentucky poll that has clinton up five points. critically this came before the comments from hillary clinton about putting coal miners out of work, came to light. that could be a big x factor here. this is what it looked like five years ago. obama won only two counties in kentucky. where louisville is, where the university of kentucky is, in lexington. the rest of the state was hillary clinton. and this is a state among democrats, barack obama has never been popular in the state. check this out. in 2012, four years ago, barack obama he didn't even have a primary opponent in kentucky.
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uncommitted was on the ballot against him. look at this, a majority of counties in the kentucky democratic primary four years ago, went for uncommitted over the sitting democratic president of the united states. if it wasn't for obama's wins in louisville and in lexington four years ago, he would have lost the democratic primary in kentucky, to uncommitted. that's sort of the x factor here for hillary clinton. she's attached herself so closely to president obama, to the obama administration, to the obama wing of the democratic party, her numbers from eight years ago, have really come down among democrats in the state. >> and they're almost sort of meaningless to look at because she's basically an obama proxy now. a few things we need to remind people of tonight. it's a closed primary. >> right. >> so tony's like, ain't no one showing up and it's a close primary, that's a recipe for a clinton victory, is it not? >> it could be. you have these conservative
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democrats in kentucky. they have more democrats than republican. you have this democratic coalition from 2012 that voted for uncommitted. so to me, uncommitted in 2012, means anti-establishment, anti-democratic vote. i'll be curious if uncommitted is big, or if those people vote for sanders, but i think they're a big anti-clinton crowd. plus, west virginia is like eastern kentucky. hillary's going to lose there, is my guess. can she win in louisville by enough is the key factor. >> and we saw where in west virginia, sanders voters in the primary, many of them said they were going to be trump voters in the general. >> i think that might be true in western and eastern kentucky, in the rural areas. you have conservative democrats that vote for local and state races often for the democrat, but federally vote for mitch mcconnell, vote for rand paul. so i think that's a potential if hillary loses because you have the same kind of democrats in
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name and function only. >> and very quickly, there is a senate candidate that democrats are gonna pick tonight in a senate race that in presidential years is traditionally competitive. it always surprises people in washington, they wake up and go, oh, my god, it's a four-point race and democrats never win it, they usually come up short, but it's always shockingly close. and you know, rand paul, having run for president, didn't go so well. you know, we got to -- it's something to watch tonight. >> this is also what we saw in west virginia. you had a competitive democratic primary for governor there. you talk about the trump backers, people who will vote for trump in the fall, who voted for bernie sanders. it looked like that was happening in west virginia. they wanted to vote in the primary for governor. and while they were at it, since they're for trump, they wanted to vote against hillary clinton. that might have been the motivation. anything you have to bring out the lateen conservative
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democrats could be a boost for bernie sanders. >> is rand paul in trouble? >> my assessment, no. he's the mayor of lexington. he's liberal. >> too liberal for the state? >> rand's numbers are down, they're not great because he was s perceived of being too national. if he had stayed on too long, and i think would be a problem. i think he's gotten back in time. >> perry bacon, steve kornacki, happy primary night. we keep on marching along. thank you, boys. let me turn now to former governor bashir. welcome to the program, sir. you probably heard the various assessments from my fine colleagues here about describing the democratic electorate here. this is an electorate you've done well with in the past.
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what is the biggest disconnect between why you can win elections in kentucky, but barack obama and hillary clinton are going to struggle or have struggled? >> well, traditionally, here in kentucky, democrats concentrate on the bread and butter issues. you know, health care, jobs, education. and that's where we zero in and we have been successful in doing that. that's the way we won three special elections just last march for the house of representatives. and that's the kinds of issues that we'll concentrate on this fall. what i am glad to see is that hillary clinton is concentrating on those kinds of issues and, let's face it, you all talked about similarities. eight years ago, what, hillary clinton won the last few primaries. barack obama got the nomination, went on to be elected president. eight years later now you may have bernie sanders winning the last few primaries, but hillary clinton is going to be the nominee and i think she's going
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to go on to be elected president. so, yeah, i think there are a lot of similarities. >> you said democrats do well in kentucky when they focus on issues you mentioned, health care, jobs, education. i take it when culture issues come up, that it trips up democrats, is that fair to say? >> that's fair to say, at least partly. republicans have always been good out here in the midwest and in the south on actually con vipsing people to vote against their best interest by getting this emotional issue, or that social issue and getting their attention off of the issues that really count long-term for their well-being. and that's happened in kentucky, it's happened in a lot of places. and that's the thing that we struggle with here. >> let me ask you this, how would you -- what advice are you giving to hillary clinton about unifying this party? bernie sanders said if people
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can ascribe various motives for voting for sanders in coal country, and not for clinton when he's just as much anti-coal as she is, if not more so. but how do you unify the party and what would be your advice? >> i may differ for you all a little bit. i think it's been good for the democratic party to have the primaries. we'll have time to unify. and the biggest unifying factor for the democrats this fall, his name is donald trump. when you look at the two candidates this fall, and remember, that's what we're going to have this fall. we're not going to have a perfect candidate in everybody's mind. we'll have two people, hillary clinton and donald trump. and when people look at domestic agendas, you know, they see hillary out there. she does have plans. they may not agree with all of them, but she has specific plans on how to address these things. when you turn to donald trump, his answer to everything is the same. well, i'll just make it happen.
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gosh, i'm the smartest guy in the world and you know, i don't need anybody else, i'll just make it happen. he has no specifics and i think that's gonna come out. but i tell you what i saw here over this last weekend campaigning. i saw people's attention starting to turn to a very important job that a president has, and that's commander in chief. obviously there's no question that hillary clinton is qualified to be commander in chief because of all of her experience. they look at donald trump and he's a frightening, unstable character and when you start thinking about putting his hand on that nuclear button, i think that's gonna be a defining moment this fall in people's minds. >> let me ask you this, there was a lot of nasty things said about your current governor, matt bevin. not just by democrats, by republicans, okay, against matt bevin. and the voters sort of ignored these warnings.
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this penchant and this appetite for an outsider to shake things up, it's happening all over the country. you saw it in country with the election of matt bevin. saw it in florida with the election of rick scott. a decade ago it began with arnold schwarzenegger, you could argue. this is there. what can she do to answer this frustration that voters have, that we're tired of this go along, go along attitude, we'd like to blow the place up a little bit? >> well, certainly there is that frfrtion thefrustration there a it's born mostly of the fact with the gridlock in washington, everybody's just fed up. they see republicans and democrats up there, their top priority is just to make the other side look bad. it's not to get together and make this country move forward. and they are frustrated. one thing hillary needs to do and is doing, she has to have a unifying message and she has to have it and she knows that people are going to come after here, and she's got to look them in the eye and say, when this is over with, we'll still sit down
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and i'll sit down with you as many times as necessary to try to find some common ground and move this country forward. that's the only way we're ever going to get by all of this anger and frustration is people sitting down. yeah, donald trump is an outsider, but my gosh, is anybody ang reeryier than him at any interest group, at anybody around the world? i mean, if you disagree with donald trump, he swings at you. that's his only way of dealing with you. you can't have that attitude as president of the united states. >> let me ask you this final question. it's been reported you and the current governor are not exactly tight, shall we say? it's gotten pretty nasty. have you thought about sitting down, the two of you sitting down and see if you can put an end to this for a little while? >> well, certainly. i'm interested in getting away from personal attacks.
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you know, i don't care anything about the personalities. what i care about, quite honestly is the health care of kentuckians. we work very hard for eight years and implemented the affordable care act and now every single kentuckian has access to affordable health care. the new governor came in and said, i want to take that away from people. and i said i'm going to work to try to make sure that doesn't happen. we disagree. >> does his election give him a mandate? >> we had a 30% voter turn-out and he got 16% of that 30%. you know, the last time i checked, 16% isn't a mandate to do anything. >> fair enough. steve beshear, good to see you, thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you for having me. coming up, we got new polls that show donald trump who at least appears to be rallying republicans to his side and it's making it a closer than expected
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race against hillary clinton. ben carson will join me live with new insight. and later, we'll talk to some advisers from some of trump's former rivals, we'll hear what they have to say about the dos and don'ts of taking on trump. keep it right here.
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up next, who's really on donald trump's short list for vice president? ben carson has promised he's going to tell us the entire thing. no, i'm kidding, i'm kidding. but we will talk to him about what's going on in the short list, what the process is like, and what folks should expect if they're asked to be involved in the process. ben carson joins me right after this.
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well, that was -- we were about to show you one of the new ads that the pro-clinton super
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pac will be running in battleground states that start tomorrow. the ad has 6$.5 million behind it, and more than $100 million is what they promised before election day. so let me play a little bit of that ad that we meant to play for you right at the top. here it is. >> does she have a good body? no. does she have a fat ass? absolutely. >> if ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps i'd be dating her. >> i view a person who is flat chested as very hard to be a 10. >> does donald trump speak for you? >> it's trump words being lipped by actors. very similar to other ads. how will team trump combat that kind of spending and that kind of aggressive advertising? hallie jackson spoke to the head
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of donald trump's new super pac, and joins me now from outside trump tower in new york city. they are in a hole financially. do they know how deep that hole really is? >> reporter: i asked that question. you've been on the sidelines a lot longer than the super pac supporting the democrats and hillary clinton. so how many millions of dollars have you lost? the response, probably lots. an acknowledgement that getting in the game late is going to be difficult moving forward. that said, there's a sense from the new trump super pac, they can make up the ground, particularly when it comes to how they plan to court some of the major donors. baugh that is going to be their focus, not so much the small dollar online stuff, which at least one of the super pacs is going after. but it's the bigger dollar folks. what will the money be used for? not just media, not just combatting ads like you just w saw, but on get out the vote efforts, when you talk about
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location, pennsylvania, arizona and new mexico. but what was interesting to me, i asked about timeline, when does this all start? when do you begin doing that survey data? and their response was not until the convention or closer to then, when the race starts to come into focus. the sense was this race can change week to week, so perhaps there's not a lot of use in spending the money on the data now when you might not get a clear picture. >> that's what you say when you don't have the resources to spend the money in those days before the convention. >> reporter: right. >> i saw a statement from the main donald trump super pac, basically declaring itself the main donald trump super pac. you may see others, but we're the one. how concerned are they that other super pacs are gonna basically steal donors away from them and make it so it's all diluted? >> reporter: it feels like there maybe is a concern, chuck. you talk to folks from some of
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the multiple super pacs, and who is bumping elbows to be the one the big donors will come to. and there's a report that some of the gop donors are saying, this is confusing, who do i give the money to? but one person said, you don't need a blood hound to figure out where to put your dollars. the question is whether that's going to be true or not. >> and it is legal essentially for a campaign to designate. >> reporter: they can't do it. >> they can do this. so they have to make that decision. hallie, thank you very much. let's focus a little bit more on trump world when it comes to the issue of veepstakes. there's always whispers about who is on the short list. there are people who want the name on the list, there are people who don't. there's all sorts of ways you'll see this play out. but there's also speculation
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over who is involved in doing the veepstakes. i'm joined by one of trump's former rivals that has turned to an important adviser. dr. carson, good to see you, sir. >> good to be with you, chuck. >> let me just ask it simply, what is your role when it comes to the vp process? >> well, really no significant role at this point, because the names have been submitted. and we're waiting for mr. trump to make a decision. you know, the vetting process is going on. so there's really nothing else in that specific area for me to do. you know, there are lots of things that obviously need to be done, and that is the role that i see is helping to save our country for the next generation. that's the only reason i'm involved at all. >> i understand, but is your role to facilitate, is it to feelers, potentially reach out to potential people who the campaign may want to vet?
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is it to -- what is it exactly your understanding of your role? are you organizing for mr. trump, pros and cons, pros and cons? >> like i said, the names have been submitted. mr. trump is now making a decision as information comes in during the vetting process. so the next move will be a move by him. >> is there a number that you guys are dealing with? is it less than ten? >> you know, we'll let him weigh in on that. the other day with "the washington post," they gave me a survey and they said all these people have been mentioned. which one's on and which one's off? and i just said, they're all on, we're not going to talk about that. and some people took that to mean these are the people on the short list. of course that's not true. >> what are you asking of these people? for instance, are you asking for
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their tax returns? >> you know, the important thing is to have somebody who is aligned with the presidential candidate. philosophically, somebody who is a lover of the american constitution, including all the amendments, but particularly first and second amendment. somebody who understands fiscal responsibility. because you have to understand what's happening to our nation right now. our future generations are being severely compromised. thomas jefferson said it's immoral to borrow money from the next generation. we're borrowing as far as the eye can see, and it's getting worse. we need somebody who understands that and is willing to do what is necessary to reverse that situation. and somebody who understands that we can't continue to degrade our military in a more dangerous world. that's what's important. >> no, i understand that. but obviously, you worry about any personal issues that might pop up that you're unaware of.
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and one thing, you want to see tax returns, personal disclosure forms, things like that. are you asking for those things during this vetting process? >> i would say that normal vetting procedures would be under way. all the things that are normally asked for, nothing outside the normal. >> gotcha. normally that includes tax returns and things like that, so that's probably on the list. >> whatever is normally done. >> okay. >> you've noticed i've learned how you guys operate. [ laughter ] >> i want to get a straight answer. you're being a little evasive with me, sir. >> okay, put it on me, that's fine. >> okay, dr. carson, always a pleasure, sir, thank you very much. good talking with you. >> okay, my pleasure. still ahead, can hillary clinton decode the trump playbook? i'll talk with former top
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advisers from bush, rubio, and the cruz campaigns about their hits and misses in the efforts that failed when it came to stopping trump. and can trump can his own worst enemy? we'll look at the demographic deck that may be stacked against him. stay tuned.
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welcome back to our special primary night coverage. the trump campaign is sharpening its tools in preparation for a long battle with hillary clinton where little will be out of bounds. hillary clinton has a lot of recent examples of what didn't work when it comes to try to beating trump. jeb bush tried to ignore. rubio tried to beat him with insults. ted cruz tried to befriend him, but in the end, had to do a 180
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to attack him. we have some campaign veterans here who perhaps can pride new insight. former bush campaign manager danny diaz. and former cruz senior adviser alice stewart. welcome all. you're candidate's the most recent out. >> right. >> he looked like he's enjoying himself in mexico. >> everyone deserves a little r and r after all of that. >> i agree. dos and don'ts. in hindsight, what's the first one you think of? >> everyone tries to live by the reagan rule of not speaking ill of an opponent, but at some point, you have to fight back. this has been an untraditional campaign cycle. you want to keep things positive and focused on the issues, but at some point, you have to push back, when ted finally had nuf and pushed back, that was the end. so it's hard to say. >> all of you, in your campaigns
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at various times were trying to decide, when do you fight fire with fire? and you all had your own timeline when you did it and arguably none of them worked. >> we'll stipulate none of us up here were successful going after donald trump. people saw him as a celebrity, a businessman, and now they're starting to look at him as a potential president. both the clinton campaign and the trump campaign are going to be in a race to define what he would look like. he's never really spelled out his agenda in detail. i think that's his challenge moving forward. >> i think, a, the size of the field, which was a great strength for republicans at the outset, worked against us and it worked in his favor. and b, recognition of the electorate, disaffection, anger, unhappiness, however you want to describe it, the real recognition of that and how to go about addressing it early on in the cycle would have made a big difference.
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>> fair to say that all of your campaigns would admit you sort of missed the trump electorate? that you didn't believe they were as powerful or big as it was? >> i think we all did. we tried to stay focused on the issues and we did that as much as we possibly could. and that's what ted did successfully. and he was the outsider. no one fought against washington harder than ted cruz in washington. >> but it didn't resonate the way trump did. >> at the end of the day, it was about trump's ability to capitalize on the media and get his message out there and i think a lot of folks mistook that for washington outsider. >> and adding to that, when trump got in the race a year ago, nobody took him seriously. he presented himself as an outsider, a successful businessman, and none of the campaigns early on did anything to dispute that, and if you don't dispute what people already believe, they'll keep believing what they already believe. >> let's say you get to give
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trump advice on how to win an election, what would you tell him? >> i don't know that i'm in the business of giving donald trump advice, but there's still a place in the conversation, particularly in a general election, when you broaden significantly the pool of voters that are at play, to talk about issues, to talk about how you're actually going to go about getting things done. and you get into these presidential debates, you get further in the process, particularly post july and post these conventions, and more and more attention is going to be paid to those things and it's going to be really important to hone them down, to understand them and to be able to articulate them. the show aspect of this he's brilliant at, but there's more if you want to be president of the united states. >> but you know he'll say, i've done it my way the whole time and it's worked. >> but we're in a different phase. there's no way this race will be
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close if he cannot unite republicans. he needs to make the case to people like myself, people like paul ryan, people like alice's former candidate, ted cruz, why they, as conservatives, should support donald trump for president. beyond just i'm not hillary clinton. there has to be more to their argument than that. >> and what we've seen already with the super pacs being so negative to the women's issue, i think he needs to get past that, not let that get him too rattled. i do think it's important, i agree with both of them, he has to bring the republican party together, ask that includes establishment republicans, but conservatives. >> he doesn't think this is on him. he thinks the party needs to reconcile, hey, i rowon, you goa come to me. >> if you are the nominee of the party, you need to show your ability to bring about consensus and it shouldn't be easier than within your own party.
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that's incumbent on him to bring the party together and starts with convincing conservatives that he'll carry the conservative message and who he picks as a vp will be very telling. >> he deserves credit for getting this far, but the goal isn't to be the nominee. the goal is to be president. and to be president, he has to go further, or farther than he's gone thus far. >> do you think the tax return issue is a big issue or not? >> it hasn't been so far. he's said it wasn't an issue. we'll see how voters react over the next couple days. i think what's relevant, the combination of the tax return issues, the story about how he treats women, it's knocking him off message. he's not talking about making america great again. he's talking about his own path. that's not the way. >> i was asked ben carson about
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his tax returns. let me ask you. carly fiorina, did she give the cruz campaign her tax returns? >> yes. she happily turned them over. that's part of the vetting process. >> how many years? >> i don't recall the number. >> multiple years? >> yes, i think it's important for the vp to be vetted and, to have those returns and also the presidential candidate. >> and i also worked for tim pawlenty and he submitted his. >> both vetting processes including tax returns. >> and jeb bush, one of the most well known, well vetted people, released 30 years of tax returns. >> hillary clinton is up to 33. i think you wanted to match clinton year for year on that one. >> an historic amount. >> good to have you here. >> how is that sleep working out? >> when i get caught up --
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>> i have four kids, honestly. >> you don't sleep at all. good to see you. we'll have a lot more on the november battle right after this.
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coming up, which candidate has the built-in bigger disadvantage heading into november? is clinton's message versus trump's demographic numbers. former white house communications director anita dunn joining me next.
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welcome back. it's 174 days until early voting. all we have a long way to go and a short time to get there. all right. >> i'm going to rename the show, the anita dunn show. >> the premise is clinton's biggest problem seems to be message. donald trump's problem seems to
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be demographics. i'll start with you anita dunn. how does she fix her messaging problem? >> i want the take issue with the idea that donald trump's message is so overpowering because his message is diffused but a huge part seems to be insulting large swaths of the american public on any given day. >> the sentiment is he's going to be the disrupter and he's the change agent. >> the sentiment is much more fundamental which is the make america great again is the optimistic message. a lot of people believes optimism trumps pessimism every time. she's spent a lot of time rolling out policies but the
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general election is the appropriate time for her to give that vision of what america looks like under a clinton presidency. i think that's a key next step. voters, a new swath of voters are about to tune into this election after the nominations are settled. that's a time that campaigns would like to roll out that message. >> it's numbers going in first and foremost. >> they're enormous. 28% of latinos are voting for donald trump. >> that's a very big problem. the negatives among women is a problem.
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in you're new and doing something different you can also destroy your market. he destroyed media. they had no idea what to do with him. he might destroy voters confidence in his ability to be president. to try and keep that momentum going. >> it's interesting he's going for win the news cycles. try to win every news cycle. >> just say demographically we got this covered. i think listening to your previous part about mistakes people make, the biggest mistake
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people make about donald trump is letting him be on the offense and saying i'm going to find my demographics. the clinton campaign needs to win the news cycles. >> she's not good at attack. she's terrible at at attack. she's a secretary of state. >> i know. being on the offense doesn't mean you have to attack. . >> i think barack obama did a good job in 2008 of driving an agenda forward without having to sound negative. that's her sweet spot because there's plenty of people who will be happy to make the attacks. i would like to support the nominee but he told me he would
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release his tax returns. that's a big deal to me as is the scotus appointment. i'd like him to march lee out and say he's going to be on the supreme court. >> so would i. >> an agreement on nightly roll out. we'll leave it there. we'll be right back with much more on msnbc primary night coverage of kentucky and oregon.
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confirmation. that is breaking news. it's for eric fanning. he's the new secretary of army. he is now the first openly gay leader of a u.s. military service branch. john mccain and pat roberts spoke in his -- on his behalf just before he was confirmed. that does it for this hour. we'll be back tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. keep it right here on msnbc for a full night of primary results and analysis. starts with chris matthews right now. good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. welcome to an interesting night of msnbc primary reporting. today voters are casting ballots in kentucky and oregon fp two states with a total of 116 delegates at stake for the democrats. in kentucky the polls have closed in much of the state but the western

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