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welcome back to our big rolling extravaganza. of the last polls closed n. kentucky primary, 7:00 eastern. the apparent winner of the democratic primary tonight is former secretary of state hillary clinton. it was a squeaker, but she appears to have won. kentucky has been good to the clinton family over the years. bill clinton won twice, in 1992 and 1996, although, every
democrat since then has lost by double digits. secretary clinton blew out barack obama by 36 points in kentucky. but there were real worries in the clinton camp that she would lose the state tonight to senator sanders. so even though tonight's win is a squeaker, it's still a big one for her. it also, not incidentally, makes bernie sander's path to the nomination less like an uphill climb and more like the scaling of a sheer vertical cliff at this point. but the sanders campaign at this point is dealing with a lot more than just its results in couple. my friend chris mathews is here. >> all night long. >> i know. did you get a snack? >> i guess it's a pizza. what you said was powerful, bill clinton carried this state of kentucky twice in the general election. how times have changed. we had pretty much the same social issues. not so much. we had a concern about the economy then.
but what has changed? a ratcheting up of the 2nd amendment issue. you can call clean call all you want. people know the future, the cultural issues are ratcheted up a bit. it's become one of those areas that democrats don't win anymore. it's like a shopping mall. if democrats don't win in couple, they probably won't win again, in west virginia, again, they probably won't after obama won that one time in indiana win there again. so this map is getting sharper, sharper edge, nastier. places you don't go to anymore. places that you know you will win. so i think the election is taking shape, the general election right now. i think trump will win kentucky. >> lawrence o'donnell, when you look at these results tonight in kentucky, is it saying anything to you important? both about the general election, what chris is talking about, also about this not ending story of hillary clinton versus bernie sanders? >> well, it is, as all these
results are, an indication of a softness of support for hillary clinton. at this stage, she should as the presumptive nominee, she should be winning these much more easily. show shouldn't have to fight for i. she was fighting in a way bernie sanders wasn't. he went out to puerto rico over the weekend while hillary clinton was campaigning in kentucky. but you know, on the issue of bernie sanders staying in, hillary clinton stayed in until june 8th i believe, after the california primary. her campaign told me at the highest level and i reported it at around this time, eight years ago, that she would drop out in that first week of june. even after i reported that, without being able publicly source who it was. people still doubted it. there was commentators on this network saying i think she's going to go to the convention. eight years ago. so we have been in this kind of
chorus before about this stuff. let me read you a tweet tonight, from sarah silverman. i want to quote her for two reasons. number one, she has more twitter followers than any presidential candidate, including donald trump. number two, she is a bernie sander's supporter. she is a california voter. she tweeted, if people always give up, when her chances got slim, we wouldn't have heroes or progress or a four-minute mime. sarah silverman is one of many california voters who want to get that chance to cast that vote for bernie sanders. she is always obviously, someone who will vote democratic in november, vote for hillary clinton if she's the nominee. bernie sanders knows that. he knows he has those bonds with those supporters in those states. so no matter how loud the course
of demands get, this asked isn't going to drop out until his supporters get that chance to go to the polls and cast that vote. >> thank you, to that points about what happens at the end of the democratic race, bernie sanders has bonded with his supporters. the effect of the continuing democratic primary on the overall prospects and the democrats beating donald trump in november. there are two other things we are watching tonight besides kentucky where we have a result. polls will close in just under one hour from now but the other someone not kentucky or oregon. it is the most contentious story in all of presidential politics, if this today the bernie sanders campaign they have a state democratic convention in nevada
over what they believe was an unfair rigged process to select nevada delegates to the national convention in philly. sanders supporters and the sanders campaign contends that those sanders folks were right to be mad, but whether or not that angle was justified, it did also result in nevada's state party chair woman, roberta lang, getting bombarded with threatening and fairly vial phone calls and text messages and online posts, after bernie sander's supporters publicized the personal contact information. listen. >> what the [ bleep ] are you doing? you [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. you are an awful person and you suck and you're [ bleep ] and i hope you suffer. >> hi, i was interested in your dictatorship, just had a few questions regarding how i need to vote for the dictator in november?
hillary. >> you're a fascist [ bleep ], fascist [ bleep ]. >> hi roberta lange, this is a citizen of the united states of america and i just wanted to let you know that i think people like you should be hung. >> today senator sanders released a statement in which he condemns any threats or violence in conjunction with the nevada convention this weekend. that statement also pushed back really hard how his supporters felt they had been treated in las vegas, saying at that nevada convention, quote, they used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. that was not their allegation this weekend in the heat of the moment. that was today as the nevada democratic party and more
broadly continues to kind of tear itself up over what's happening there. what happened in nevada is now a really big fight in the democratic party between the sanders' campaign and the nevada democrats, also the dnc. a lot of people are getting involved here, including harry reid, the dean of the democratic in the and the dean of the democratic party in nevada. one question is whether this might also, nevada may be the most important swing state in the country this year, this is the shape the democrats are in, in that state right now. joining us from las vegas is john ralston the dean and political correspondent and the host of ralston live. john, what what you can see close up, i know you were able go to some of it this weekend. the national press, do we have an act rat view of what went down and how big a deal it was? >> it was a pretty big deal, beyond the allegations of people being cheated and chairs being thrown and violence, et cetera
the sanders folks, at least some of them, came to that convention with the intention, the explicit intention of disrupt tack convention. they had already sued the state party over some ar cane deadline changes. it was quickly thrown out. hillary reid talked to bernie sanders the night before, got him to talk about a unity statement. it didn't do any good. anyone that knows about the convention, they call the chairperson a dictator because they don't get their way. but their behavior, rachel. this is a fairly small subset of the sanders supporters was really outrageous. even at any convention i had been. when barbara boxer announced is she was there to speak for hillary clinton, all the sanders supporters immediately stood up, started booing, screaming obscenities at her, put their bernie sanders signs in front of cameras, so barbara boxer would not be on the big screens in the
hallway. she essentially tried to joust with them. cut her speed short. they were not cheated, raven em. they just didn't do their job to get their delegates to that convention him i'm sure it was very frustrating for them. people seem to forgive that hillary clinton won nevada. she won it on february 20th, decisively, by more than five points. and what has happened since then, sanders' people have tried to reverse that. they had some success at the county concessions. they did not noong fill hundreds of delegate slotsz on the las vegas strip. they lost. they didn't like losing, rachel. >> john, we will bring into the conversation, a bernie sanders delegate who wasn't on the floor of the convention, let me just ask you one clarifying.about what you said there about barbara boxer. the sanders campaign was pretty explicit about that. they said barbara boxer was, next, asking for it. her comments were incendiary,
she should have expected that kind of response, given what the contents of her speech was. you are saying having been in the room, that was not your perception? >> not at all. they started the booing and the -- and everything else before barbara boxer started to speak. what barbara boxer first tried to do is say, listen, if you are booing bernie, booing me, you are booing bernie sanders, too, we're friends, we're close. they would have have none of it. obscenities were screamed. barbara boxer was there just to give the hillary clinton rah-rah speech. barbara boxer as all of you know is a very feisty personally. she wasn't just going to sit there and take it. she did not englaim flame those people. they were already enflamed. >> stay with us for a while, my friend. i want to bring in a bernie sanders delegate in las vegas, i
appreciate you making time to be here tonight i know this is a difficult subject. tanks. >> i'm glad you reached out to the other people like john ralston in the local and had contact and had the opportunity to get the fair side of this story. i appreciate the fact you actually did that. >> are you beefing with john ralston that you haven't started with him before? >> i think he's an interesting guy. he had a unique opportunity knowing on saturday i sent him a press release as to what we put out. he neglected to contact us and see what our side of the story was. so i still welcome him to having a conversation with us about it. try to see if he can clean up these politics and end up being a party of unity and inclusion. until then, it's out there.
>> i will offer to pay the beer bill for both of you when all of this is over. while we got you here, obviously, there has been a lot of reaction nationwide to what happened this weekend in nevada, the nevada democratic party says the sanders supporters reaction to what happened there was inappropriate. the democratic national committee put out a statement of concern based on what they heard from the nevada democratic party harry reid put out multiple statements on this. do you think you got things out of hand and the behavior at that convention was inappropriate? >> i think if we were to look at saturday, hillary clinton did not win, trump did. because what happened was half of the, this is what happened is we had 4,000 of the most passionate people in this valley who got in a room towing. you put them in this combined
space, had three bars that were put there specifically for us. i don't know in what other situation where that wouldn't created higher no shows. i think if you look at the video, i have not seen a video of anyone throwing chairs ought one person or another i had someone asking them to set it down and get a hug. i think the rhetoric behind the violent bernie sanders in nevada is closely exaggerated. the only assault i know of is the assault that took place on a hillary supporter shoving me for trying to deescalate her screaming at our volunteers for picking up ballots. >> in terms of what happened here, i want to race to the end of the storied and go to the last chapter in this book and find out whether the democratic party is actually in much worse
shape come november in nevada because of the acri money between sanders folks and clinton folks, as you are describing, essentially, growing pains or the product of acri money that was situational and you all are going to be pulling in the same direction in the end. are these ties permanently broken or do you think democrats are stronger in the end for this. >> i think whether bernie sanders folks or hillary clinton folks, versus each other. is the wrong situation. we are looking at seeing proof that this is the people vs. the establishment. after we got up on the stage and moked to them very respectfully to accept our, you know, petitions that we spent a great amount of time collecting and done in accordance with the rules of the convention, we had many hillary clinton folks come up to us, the hillary campaign told them not to sign them. what was in them.
we explained these petitions had nothing to do with the actual results of what would have happened on saturday that had everything to do with simply the procedures to have their voices heard on saturday. once they realized it was in these petitions, they were on board with that. there were multiple hillary clinton people that went up to the stage, why are you not accepting these people's petitions? they were not getting any answers. that's more of a concern the democratic party here locally and nationally should be looking at is why are our voices not being heard. we went and tucked to the vice chair after the convention, i walked up to him. i was like, sir, can you explain to me what you would have done in this situation if you felt like your rights were being stolen and you were representing a grand amount of people. you felt this was not a democratic process. he looked at me square in the eyes in front of my lawyer and said this was not supposed to be a democratic process. i think that's the concern we were talking about.
they were saying here locally, there is a party of unity and inclusion. i think everything they did on saturday and preceding that, between the reason why we filed the lawsuit and put out the original petition is including people into this political process. >> angie morelli, an organizer in las vegas, i'm glad we got your voice on the broadcast tonight. hearing it from you is invaluable. i present you being here tonight. thanks. >> john ralston, i want to thank you as well for sticking with us in las vegas. if you and angie do, in fact, have a beer, i will pay for it plus a good tip. all right. it's a deal, i appreciate that from both of you. we may, in fact, later on tonight, be hearing from the chair of the democratic national party, debbie waserman schultz on this same issue as this nevada blowup becomes an issue of national concern. we heard from that sanders supporter, it was much more constructive than the way this
has been described by a lot of people talking about this incident thus far. we got a lot more coming tonight, looking at oregon poll closing the top of the next hour. we have a projection already in kentucky. nbc news projecting hillary clinton as an apparent winner in kentucky, an absolute squeaker of the race. we'll be right back.
>> this past weekend was the nevada convention. your reaction to that? >> some of the bernie sanders in puerto rico today being asked about that state convention asked by nbc's danny freeman, they did ultimately put out a sanders defiant statement saying tear supporters were pronged in nevada. they were not treated fairly t.dnc put out its concern for what the nevada firm went through and the threats to the
st. party chair woman. joining us is the dnc chair woman debbie waserman schultz. >> my pleasure. great to be with you. >> you said today there is no excuse for what happened in nevada. what is there no excuse and what is your reaction to that young sanders supporter we heard explaining on our air, they wanted to be heard? it's a shame it was contentious, but they really fell like they didn't get their voices out there? >> well, first of all, let me reiterate the democratic national committee is neutral when it comes to this primary. >> that having been said, the reports i heard from this weekend, the nevada democratic convention were seriously disturbing. i did listen to that young sanders supporter just now, the process she talked about, perfectly reasonable, understandable. it may have resulted in some frustration. although, frankly, the credentials committee in the nevada process was evenly split between sanders' representatives
and clinton representatives, but be that as it may, the proper response to frustration over process is never violence and intimidation. so if they were frustrated over the way the process unfolded, there is an appropriate civil and orderly way to address that, but throwing chairs and engaging in violence and threats graffitiing the nevada state party headquarters with threats as well is absolutely unacceptable and should be condemned by senator sanders directly and unequiff collie. his supporters should make sure they take steps to not allow this to happen anywhere in the countries again, with the campaign staff. >> congress woman, i'm wondering what you say squares with what harry reid said today. he had three conversations, including one today with senator sanders urging a calm and urging some responsibility on his part. senator sanders' response was not to say i'm going to bring
order to my troops. i'm not going to take responsibility for them. i will say is we're defiant. we don't like the way the dnc operates. so isn't the leader of his campaign, isn't it his responsibility to bring it to order? >> chris, we are all personally spiblt responsible, the way it unfolds, addressing it in a civil and orderly way and ensuring that contrast\dem and pre vent your supporters from engage physical violence intimidation. >> that is each of our responsibilities. these are party activists. these are leaders who roberta lange the chair woman has been in the trenches helping to elect democrats for decades. neither she nor any democratic activist from the volunteer to most senior staff on the campaign deserves to be
threatened or to feel like they can't set foot out of their home. roberta lange says she knows where they go to school. there is a way to deal with frustration over process. but the fact that the sanders company issued a but in between condemnation of violence and frustration over the process seems to excuse their supporter's actions, which is unacceptable. >> debbie waserman-schultz, chairman of the democratic committee getting flack tonight. thanks for being here with us on this sticky story. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. we are looking ahead to the owned of this hour, polls will be closing in the great state of oregon. there are unusual things about the way oregon votes. there are some specific reasons oregon is seen as a real wild card on the democratic side tonight stay with us. much more ahead.
>> we are expecting to hear live from bernie sanders at sometime around 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight. that timing is not an accident. he is in california, 11:00 p.m. eastern time, 8:00 p.m. western time, that will be when the polls close in oregon. we have heard a lot of sort of supposition that the sanders campaign is expecting to do very, very well in oregon. let's put some meat on those
bones, though, should the sanders campaign be expecting to win oregon tonight? steve kornacki? >> this is one where the perception says absolutely. the city of portland, you think of the culture the pacific northwest culture. you say, absolutely, we have one hope. we have one poll that's been conducted in the run up to this oregon primary. this is what it found, hillary clinton leading by 15 points this is a following taken in the last week it could be a bernie sanders state. why wouldn't hillary clinton be ahead that everybody looks at, says that's a sanders state. a couple factors to keep in mind, number one, closed primary estate. oregon allows registered democrats to vote. with that win in kentucky earlier tonight, that apparent win in kentucky earlier tonight
hillary clinton is 11 for 11 in closed primary states. she has not won one, bernie sanders has not won one. it's an older electorate. the pollster concede. he said, look, there has been an influx into the democratic party the last few months. there is a possibly young voters will be more present in this electorate, there could be wiggle room in these numbers him they said this, they ran a different model allowing for much larger turnout, allowing for more democrats, they had hillary clinton winning the state by seven points. it's one pom. we seen this, think of connecticut, we had the connecticut primary. it was a state barack obama won the primary in 2008. it's a heavily white state. it's a closed primary state.
in 2016, hillary clinton turned it around by ten points points and won it. if she win, there will be a bit of a precedent. >> fascinating. seeing this will be important in politics. when the sanders campaign describes it's narrow, narrow, uphill path. there is no way they can describe that path without winning oregon tonight. if, in fact, oregon is going to be a tougher battle tonight, then everybody has been supposeing then this next half an hour will be a hugely big deal in residential politics. priek.
and there is a republican race in oregon as well as the only republican left, the results in the race, donald trump has the advantage of not having to bother with the primary anymore. that doesn't mean he's having an easy time of it right now. over the past week, it's been a roulette we'll from donald trump's past. heading to tonight's oregon washington post added this flameing bag to the trump doorstep, a feature on his ties to a known mafia informant. whether or not this stuff has electoral consequences for mr. trump in the fall, this is what the media climate is like around him right now, one new scoop a day, robert kosta joining us now, political reporter, you have new information on how they are dealing with this climate they find themselves in. >> i spoke with trump, himself, he will try to explain himself,
to defend himself, personally, use the force of his personality to try to convince voters he is not anti-women, he is not against minorities. he has some humanity. he recognized he has a deficit in the polls. he is seen as an unfavorable person on the voting block. he is trying to raise money and have fund raisers next week and the west coast. >> in terms of his effort to rebut each of these scandals, just over the past five days, robert, there has been a lot of them he alleged sexist comments and has ties to a mafia informant. some of the other stories about his financial dealings, his business past, tax avoidance schemes in the past. when you say he plans on explaining these away. is he going to rebut every one
of them? >> it won't be easy, he is facing democrat super pacs and secretary clinton, he has this pro traktd primary. where it's an intense challenge tore trump. can he redefine himself while the democrats are still immersed? can he set the terms in a bit of a more favorable way for himself. he has never been, it's coming out of a primary and introduce himself to an electorate that has a lot of skepticism. >> joining us is a right to right, i understand you are not going to be a trump voter. i also cannot imagine that you are going to be a hillary clinton voter. does that mean you are going to go on vacation without an an
absentee ballot in november? >> i'll vote. i have kind of attempted to vote for the ghost of wilke, he was a being reformer to win the tom nation and a great patriot. i think trump fales everyone you want i can't vote for trump. it's a line i can't cross. >> robert co kosta was talking about his business dealings and association, if that keeps happening, if the last five days will be the next five months on the campaign trail, ultimately do you think him becoming the top of the ticket becomes a bomb for the republican party and the ticket races? >> a luge lead weight. we will have to fight our way
through it. i think based on the story today the trump campaign will try to rebrand him probably particularly at the convention but it's going to be difficult. rebranding requires some credibility and more importantly some discipline, trump is the most undisciplined candidate everywhere. he basically does open mic night in response to clips he saw on cable television. so it will take an entirely different trump to be able to could have hadly go after these things, i'm willing to be surprised. i doubt it. what trump doesn't understand is he's gone from 28 million republic primary vote worries are very different and unless he dramatic ally changes every way he operates, he's toast. ? mike, it's my coal wallace. so i think paul ryan is a republican leader, principled very much in the same manner
that governor jeb bush is. would you agree? >> oh, yes. >> so how do you think, take us inside the minds of paul ryan knowing intimately it is inside the mind of jeb bush, who is now free to say whatever he wants. what is paul ryan's state of mind right now after meeting with donald trump and getting all of this pressure from the base of the party, a pullout shows republicans see donald trump. i think 54% see donald trump as the leader. trump's numbers in the low- to mid-30s. what does paul ryan take this from today? >> i haven't talked to him. he is the non-grievance republicans who can win presidential elections. he represents a caucus that's split. i would say publicly three-quarters for trump, privately maybe half. and, you know, he has that position as speaker where he has a certain institutional duty to
the parties. i think he has done a better job than anybody else except for possibly senator sas of nebraska of showing his doubt and what trump is doing. >> should paul ryan endorse him? what does it say to all of the republicans who believe in the principles of free trade of an inviting republican party that doesn't believe in banning in a religious sense? what does paul ryan do next, endorse trump or do what you are doing and not vote? >> i'm not voting for trump. >> he's writing to wednesdaya wilke. >> i'm looking for a candidate. but back to your question, that's paul ryan's to decide. he has sent a clear signal. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to physical out his opinion of trump. he leads that caucus. he is the most reluctant trump advocate in the republican party right now. i think he is sending a signal while still trying to be
institutionally respectful. it's a very tough position to be in. >> i think why jeb bush and establishment republicans will not back trump or show up. w is not showing up. a number of other people won't show up in cleveland. you surprise me. you're a professional. i'm wondering, what was the thing about. it must be something you haven't said yet about trump. what's the heart of darkness you discovered in him? something that is so bad that you don't want him to win at all even at the cost of the other side winning. what is it? >> well, i've never been a fan. >> what is the evil. something like evil that you found i think. >> no, he fales my commander in chief test. i think he is a stunning ignore ram mus on foreign policy, which are the issues i care most about. he said one stupid reckless thing after another. he's shown absolutely no temperament to learn the things he doesn't know and he doesn't know just about everything, what he said to korea, the reuters,
where he would meet with the north korean dictator, which blows up policy how we deal with dictators, pulling out of nato. the guy has a chimpanzee level of understanding the policy. i think the states in the presidential election are much higher than some local political race. i can't support him. >> the man's a chicachimp. you gave me the answer. >> there are chimps assembling a picket line right now outside. >> you know more than donald trump. >> sure. >> do you think the republican ma 84 in the senate is in danger in the fall and the majority of the house is in danger? >> though, we could lose seats. i think it will be a big battle. with trump to make it a lot worse in the senate.
it's not hopeless, it's really tough. we're paying too much attention to washington machinations around trump t. washington voters don't care what they say, it's globe trotters the people in the beltway. trump is running 20 points behind where they need to get republican rank and file voters. remember, he won this with less than half the vote in a crowded field. trump has a republican party before you get to the minority problem the women problem. it's like he was built in a lab to lose. he's got to tremendously change things or he is toast. which is why i'm taking bets. i think he is toast. >> now the lab assistants are picketing us. well done, mike murphy. thank you very much. everybody's mad. but oregon is about to vote. oregon votes by mail, which is a weird thing. we don't have anything e anything to show you.
ginsberg. nice to see you. >> our pleasure. >> i would ask you about mike murphy, which is this normalization or the question of the normalization of the donald trump campaign since the primary effectively ended, he named a finance chairman. he has given his defacto blessing to a super pac. he hired a pollster. is this, in fact, from your advantage as an rnc insideer, is this becoming a normal campaign? >> certainly there is a recognition you have to do something different than in a primary. it started off as five guys in a pirateship, scaling up into a general election is a difficult and challenging thing to do and they're taking the steps to do it. that's just smart. >> in terms of the rnc and republican party more broadly, having some resistance to donald trump, obviously, we hear that
anecdotally from mike murphy, other individuals, republicans having a tough time for him. is there any institution in terms of the party getting behind him? it doesn't feel like it. >> it's interesting. first of all, this joint fundraising agreement inked tonight is the sign the party apparatus is there. it's true, as mike says, there are some republicans who aren't there. make no mistake about what you are hearing with paul ryan. it is very much about policy, paul ryan not being 100% endorsing trump is a signal to some of the donors who they want for that joint fundraising agreement. paul ryan has the relationship today with the donor class in the republican party, so his endorsement as i think it will inevitably come before the convention will be a big sign to
ramp up the institutional fundraising for him. >> for all the an tismation and excitement, you do think it's inevitable. timing it tore maximum effect? >> i think paul ryan sees his primary mission is being sure republicans keep their majority in the house. what he is successfully doing i think is providing some cover to his two dozen republicans who need the help the most in terms of how to play the top of the ticket in their districts. >> ben ginsberg, former rnc counsel. we will take a very quick break. this is our last break before we get poll closings and our first characterization in oregon. it is more of a wild card than you think. stay with us.
. >> one of the things that's exciting about covering oregon primary night is that oregon is really weird. oregon, and i mean that in the best possible way. oregon is the best countries where everybody votes by mail. oregon is also the first state in the country that automatically registered you to voted when you have a dealing with the dmc. that's in effect for a major election for the first time tonight i want has led to a big increase in legislation.
it's more complicated than that, in terms of what effect it will have. with this male vote, in particular, when do they counted? people have been mailing in their vote all the time. do we expect a fast count of oregon? how do logistics work in a proudly innovative and indeed weird way? steve kornacki, do we know? >> yes. it's going to happen in two phases. it will play out in less than three minutes, at 11:00 eastern time, a couple minutes from now, we are probably going to get a big batch of votes from all across the state. basically people have been sending their ballots in by mail. county versus the "options action" to be counting those up. there were votes in the last couple weeks right up until 11:00 p.m. eastern time you can see the background, maybe this is a guy driving up in the
ballot drop box. you can drop them off right up until 11:00 p.m. eastern time, 8:00 p.m. pacific time t. votes that came in, a lot of counties counted those up. they will all come out. we will get a big chunk of the vote. after that, though the rest of the vote, it's very slow. so it will take a while to get everything counted out there. >> that first batch, we'll see how telling that is. the way this works because everybody gets the mail-in ballot, participation much higher, connecticut is roughly the same sides, it's a blue state like oregon. you get twice as many people voting as you do in a state like connecticut. keep this in mind, you mentioned that provision they v. so everybody that had some dealing now registered to vote. if they want to participate in the primary. >> that i have to go and
register as a democrat. 66% of the people who have been automatically enrolled this year under that law didn't do that. they can feel out a party registration form so they can't participate today. >> so we did get a boost under this voter registration provision, they didn't g take the extra step. >> if you are automatic ally registered, basically as an independent, not as a member of either party. you have to take the additional step if you want to vote in these closed primaries. >> in the long run, steve, does the democratic party think that will back them up more than a republican? >> you are in a blue state basically, the more people you get out there, it will benefit the majority party. >> oregon a blue state. >> that doesn't tell you about interparty dynamics, which we are about to see in dramatic
fashion in 15 seconds. steve kornacki, thank you. we will be checking in with the first characterization, in oregon tonight, it's both a democratic primary to be registe of those two parties in order to have participated in tonight's contests. but right now the polls have closed in oregon and nbc news has two characterizations to make and in both parties the race is considered to be too early to call. there is not much drama in terms of what's going to happen in the republican primary with donald trump effectively the last man standing. between him and ted cruz as you see there on the board too early to call and on the democratic side, where there is quite a bit of drama about what's going to happen tonight in oregon again between hillary clinton and bernie sanders tonight, it is too early to call. chris, this is one of those nights when we don't have any magic information. some of these nights we have exit poll data or other poll data. we can't talkbo