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♪ welcome back to our great big, rolling extravaganza of primary coverage. the last polls closed in kentucky at 7:00 p.m. eastern. and the apparent winner is former secretary of state clinton. it was a squeaker, but she appears to have won. bill clinton won kentucky twice, in 1992 and 1996. although every democrat since then has lost by double digits. secretary clinton blew out
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barack obama in 2008. and beat him by 36 points in kentucky, but there were real corps wo worries in the clinton camp that she would lose the state tonight. even though it is a squeaker, it is a win for her, and it makes bernie sanders' hope for the nomination more like scaling a cliff. my friend chris matthews is here. >> did you get a snack? >> yes. a pizza. bill clinton carried this state of kentucky twice in the general election. how times have changed. we had pretty much the same social issues then, not so much. we had a concern about the economy then, but what has changed? a ratcheting up of the second amendment issue, ratcheting down of the coal future.
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you can talk clean coal all you want, but people know the future. the cultural issues are ratcheted up a bit. so it's just become one of those areas that the democrats don't win anymore. democrats don't win. in kentucky, they probably won't win again in west virginia, again, they probably won't after obama won that in indiana. so this map is getting sharper and sharper edged, nastier. places you don't go to anymore, places you know you'll win. i think the general election is taking shape. i think trump's going to win kentucky. >> lawrence o'donnell, when you look at these races in kentucky, does that say anything to you about the general election but this not ending story of hillary clinton versus bernie sanders? >> well, it is as all these results are, an indication of the softness of the support for hillary clinton. you know, at this stage, as the
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presumptive nominee, she should, as we say, she should be winning these things much more easily. she shouldn't have had to go in there and fight for it. and she was fighting for it in a way that bernie sanders wasn't. he went off to puerto rico over the weekend while hillary clinton was campaigning in kentucky. but, you know, on the issue of bernie sanders staying in, hillary clinton stayed in till june 8th, i believe, in 2008, after the california primary. her campaign told me at the highest level, and i reported it at around this time, eight years ago, that she would drop out in that first week of june, even after i reported that, without being able to publicly source who it was, people still doubted it. there were commentators on this network saying i think she's going to go to the convention eight years ago, so we've been in this kind of chorus before about this stuff. let me read you a tweet from
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sarah silverman, and i want to quote her for two reasons. number one, she has more twitter followers than any presidential candidate including donald trump. number two, she is a bernie sanders sanadupporter and has b since last year. and she tweeted if people always give up when their chances got slim, we won't have heroes or progress or a fewour-minute mil. she is one of those voters who want to get that chance to cast that vote for bernie sanders. she's obviously someone who will vote democratic in november, vote for hillary clinton if she's the nominee. and bernie sanders knows that. he knows he has that bond with those voters, with those supporter, in those states. so no matter how loud the chorus of demands get in the media that this candidate must drop out, this candidate isn't going to drop out until all his supporters get that chance to go to the polls and cast that vote.
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>> lawrence o'donnell, thank you my friend. to that point as to ha happens at the end of the democratic race, bernie sanders has bonds with his supporter, the effect of the continuing democratic primary on the overall prospects, the democrats beating donald trump in november, there are two other things that we're watching tonight, besides kentucky where we've already got a result. one, obviously, is oregon. oregon primary polls will close in just under one hour from now. but the other one is not kentucky or oregon. it is the most contentious story in all of presidential politics right now. and that is something we've representationed referenced a number of times. it's this rolling fight over what just happened in nevada. the bernie sanders campaign is responding to calls that his supporters disrupted this convention over what they feel is a rigged process.
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supporte the sanders campaign says those folks were justified to be mad, but roberta lang, the state party chair person was bombarded with phone calls and posts after bernie sanders supporters posted her information. you mr., what the hell are you doing. you [ bleep ]. >> you are an awful person, and you suck, and you're [ bleep ]. and i hope you suffer. >> hi, i was interested in your dictatorship, just had a few questions regarding how i need to vote for the dictator in november. hillary. >> you're a fascist [ bleep ], fascist [ bleep ]! >> hi, roberta lang 3 e, this is
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a citizen of the united states, i think people like you need to be hung in public execution so we show that we won't stand for this kind of corruption. >> i'm not a psycho bernie support he, but theres's some o them out there. >> bernie sanders released a statement in which he condemned any violence this weekend, but that pushed back on how they felt his supporters had been treated saying at that nevada convention the democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. that was not their allegation this weekend in the heat of the moment. that was today as the nevada democratic party and the democratic party more broadly continues to kind of tear itself up over what's happening there. what happened in nevada is now a really big fight in the democratic party between the
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sanders campaign and the nevada democrats, the dnc, a lot of people are getting involved here, including harry reid, who was the dean of the democratic party in nevada. one question is whether this might also be a general election problem for democrats. nevada may be one of the most important swing states in the country this year, and this what you're seeing right now, this is the shape the democrats are in right now. joining us from las vegas is john ralston. from what you can see close up at what happened at this convention, does the national press, do we have an accurate view of what went down there and how big a deal it was? >> well, it was a pretty big deal, rachel. beyond the allegations of the people being cheated and chairs being thrown and violence, et cetera, the sanders folks, or at least some of them, came to that convention with the intension, the explicit intention of
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disrupting that convention. they had already sued the party over some arcane dead lynn cheicks that were quickly thrown out. harry reid talked to bernie sanders and got sanders to put out a unity statement, but that wasn't going to do any good. anybody who goes to any convention knows they argue about the rules the they call the chair person a dictator because they don't get their way. but their behavior, and this is a small subset of the sanders supporters was really outrageous. when barbara boxer announced that she was there to speak for hillary clinton, all the sanders supporters immediately stood up, a lot of them started booing, they started screaming obscenities at her. they put their bernie sanders signs in front of cameras so barbara boxer would not be on the big screens in the hallway. there were thousands of people there. she essentially tried to joust with them and cut her speech short. they were not cheated, rachel, they just didn't do their job to
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get their delegates to that convention, and i'm sure it was very frustrating for them, but people seem to forget that hillary clinton won nevada. she won it on february 20th, decisively by more than five points, and what has happened since then, sanders' people have tried to reverse that. they had some success at the county conventions, but they did not manage to fill hundreds of delegate spots at the state convention on the las vegas strip. they lost. they didn't like losing, rachel. >> john, we're going to bring into the conversation a bernie sanders delegate who was an organizer on the floor at saturday's convention to get her perspective on it as well. but let me ask you one clarifying poits about what you said about barbara boxer. the sanders campaign said barbara boxer was in effect asking for it. that her comments were condescending and incendiary and she should have expected that kind of response given what the content of her speech was. you're saying having been in the room that was not your perception?
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>> not at all. they started the booing and everything else before barbara boxer even started to speak. and what barbara boxer first tried to do is say listen, if you're booing bernie and booing me, you're booing bernie sanders too, because bernie sanders and i are friends of the we're close. they would have none of it, obscenities were screamed. barbara boxer was not going after bernie sanders, she was there to give the hillary clinton rah-rah speech. now barbara boxer, as all of you know, is a very feisty personality. she wasn't going to sit there and take it, but she did not inflame those people. they were already inflamed. >> john ralston, stay with us a little bit. i want to bring in angie more ellie, she was a delegate on the floor at the convention. appreciate you making time to be here. i know this is a difficult subject and a difficult time. thanks. >> thank you. appreciate the fact that y'all
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reached out to the people who actually were on the other side of this. i'm like our influencer john ralston who isn't a local who has contact with us and had the opportunity to reach out to us and get the fair side of the story. and appreciate the fact that you actually did that. thank you. >> so are you beefing with john ralston in that you haven't spoken before him right now? >> i like john ralston, he's an interesting guy. i think he had a unique opportunity, knowing the exact people who were involved and as to what happened on saturday, i sent him a press release as to what we put out, and he neglected to contact us and see what our side of the story was. so i still well come hum to, you know, have a conversation with us about it and try to see if he can clean up some of these politics and actually have the democratic party end up being a party of unity and inclusion. but until then, you know, the offer's out there. >> i will offer to pay the beer bill for both of you when all of this is over. >> yes! >> but while we've got you here,
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obviously, there's been a hot of reaction nationwide to what happened this weekend in nevada. the nevada democratic party says that the sanders supporters reaction to what happened there was inappropriate. senator sanders has put out multiple statements on this, harry reid has put out multiple statements on this, do you think things got out of hand this weekend and that it was inappropriate? >> i think if were you to look at saturday, hillary clinton did not win, trump did. what happened was that you took half of the -- this is what happened is we had 4,000 of the most passionate people in this valley who got in a room together, and you put them in this confined space for 15-plus hours, and you, who had little access to food. and had three bars outside of the convention center that were put there specifically for us, and i don't know in what other
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situation where that wouldn't have created high emotions. i think that if you look at the videos, i have not seen a video of anybody throwing chairs at one person or another. i have seen a video of somebody picking up a chair and somebody on team bernie asking them to set it down and getting a hug to the person who picked up the chair. i think a lot of the rhetoric behind the violent bernie sanders protesters here in nevada is grossly overexaggerated, the only assault i know of is the assault that took place on a hillary supporter shoving me for trying to de-escalate her screaming at our volunteers for picking up ballots. >> in terms of what happened here, i want to race to the end of the story and go to the last chapter in this book and find out. >> yes. >> whether the democratic party is actually in much worse shape come november in nevada because of the acrimony between sanders folks and clinton folks or
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whether theis is essentially growing pains or acrimony that was situational and you're all eventually going to be pulling in the same direction in the end. are these ties that are permanently broken now? or do you think democrats end up stronger in the end for this? >> i think having a conversation about whether this being bernie sanders folks or hillary clinton folks, you know, versus each other is the wrong conversation. we're looking at, you know, seeing proof that this is the people versus the establishment. after we got up on the stage and we motioned to them very respectfully to accept our, you know, petitions that we've spent a great amount of time collecting, and done in accordance with the rules of the convention, we had many hillary clinton folks come up to us and say what's in those petitions. and we explained to them what was in these petitions. it had nothing to do with actual quote, or with the actual results of what would have happened on saturday. it had everything to do with simply the procedures and
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allowing people to have their voices heard on the floor of that convention on saturday. once they realized it was actually in these petitions they were on board with us. there was multiple hillary clinton people that went up to the stage that said why aren't you accepting these people's petitions, and they weren't getting any answers. so i think that's more of a concern that the democratic party here locally and nationally should be looking at is why are our voices not being heard. we went to chris wicker, and i was like, can you explain what would you have done in this situation if you felt like your rights were being stolen and were you representing a grand amount of people and you feel like this is not a democratic process. he looked me square in the eyes and said this was not supposed to be a democratic process. there are parties here saying there's a party of unity and inclusion. i think that everything that they did on saturday and
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preceding that is the reason we saw the lawsuit and the reason we put out the petition is an anathema. >> angie morelli, i'm glad we got your voice on the broadcast tonight. a lot has been said about what happened there, hearing it from you is invaluable. i appreciate you being here tonight. >> of course, thank you. >> john ralston, i want to thank you for sticking with us in las vegas, and if you and ange ie d have a beer i will pay for it as well as a nice tip. we will be hearing from debbie wasserman schultz. what we heard was much more constructive than the way that has been described by people who have been talking about this incident so far. we're looking ahead at oregon poll closing at the top
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of the next hour, and we do have a nbc projection in kentucky. nbc news projecting hillary clinton as the apparent winner in kentucky in an absolute squeaker of a race. we'll be right back.
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this past weekend with the nevada conventions, your reaction to that? >> senator bernie sanders in puerto rico being asked about that contentious nevada state convention being asked by danny freeman. senator sanders not wanting to talk about it at that point. they did put out a sanders campaign defiant statement saying their supporters were wronged, not treated fairly. the dnc put out its own statement expressing concern about what the nevada party went through. joining me now is dnc chairman debbie wasserman schultz. thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure.
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great to be with you. >> you said there is no excuse for what happened in nevada. what is there no excuse for and what is your reaction to that young sanders supporter explaining that they wanted to be heard and it was a shame it was so contentious but they feel like they didn't get their voices out there? >> first of all, let me reiterate again that the democratic national party is neutral on what happened this weekend. it was seriously disturbing, and i did listen to that young sanders supporter just now and the process that she talked about, perfectly reasonable, understandable, it may have resulted in frustration, although frank i will, the credentials committee in the nevada process was evenly split between sanders representatives and clinton representatives, but be that as it may, the proper response to frustration over process is never violence and n
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intimidati intimidation, so if they were frustrated over the way the process unfolded there is an appropriate civil and orderly way to address that, but throwing chairs and engaging in violence and threats, graffitiing the nevada state party headquarters with threats as well is absolutely not acceptable and should be condemned by senator sanders directly and unequivocally, and his supporters should make steps to make sure this doesn't happen anywhere in the country again as should the senator and his campaign staff. >> congresswoman, i was wondering what you say squares with what harry reid said today. he said he had three conversations, including one today with senator sanders, urging calm and some responsibility on his part. senator sanders' response as rachel pointed out was not to say i'm requesting to bring order to my troops. >> right. >> i'm not going to take responsibility especially for them, what i will say is we are
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defiant and don't like the way the dnc operates, isn't it bernie sanders' responsibility to bring it to order? >> as democratic leaders, chris, we are all personally responsible, absolutely. including senator sanders for separating frustration over the process and the way it unfolds and addressing that process in a civil and orderly way, and ensuring that you condemn and prevent your supporters from engage being in violence intimidation. that's each of our responsibilities. these are party activists. these are leaders who have been, roberta lange, the chair woman of the democratic party has been in the trenches helping to elect democratis for decades. neither she nor any other democratic activist from the volunteer to the most senior staff on a campaign deserves to be threatened or to feel like they can't set foot out of their home. roberta lange has had people tell her they know where her child goes to school.
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this is outrageous and unacceptable. and there is a way to deal with frustration over process, but the fact that the sanders campaign has issued a "but" in between condemnation of violence and frustration over the process seems to excuse their supporters' actions, which is unacceptable. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thanks for being with us on this sticky story. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> we are looking ahead to the end of this hour when polls are going to be closing in the great state of oregon. there are unusual things about the way that oregon votes and very specific reasons why oregon is being seen as a real wildcard on the democratic side tonight. stay with us, lots more.
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we are expecting to hear live from bernie sanders at some time around 11:00 p.m. eastern time. that timing is not an accident. he is in california. it will be 8:00 p.m. local time. and it will also be when the polls close in oregon. we have heard a lot of supposition that the sanders campaign is expecting to do very, very well in oregon. let's put some meat on those bones though, should the sanders campaign be expecting to win oregon tonight? steve kornacki? >> this is where the perception
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of the state says absolutely. portland, you think of the culture, you think of obama winning this state big over hillary clinton eight years ago, you say absolutely, this should be a big bernie sanders win. we have one poll, we have one poll that's been conducted in the run up to this oregon primary, and this is what it found, hillary clinton winning by 15 points. this is a poll taken within the last week. obviously, one poll could be very wrong. this could still be a bernie sanders state, but why would hillary clinton be ahead 15 points in a poll that everybody looks at and says that's a sanders state. closed primary state. oregon only allows registered democrats to vote in the democratic primary. with that win in kentucky earlier tonight, hillary clinton is 11 for 11 in closed primary states. she has not lost one. bernie sanders has not won one. one thing that that does mean in a closed primary, it means it's an older electorate. the democratic primary will be
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older tonight because of that. hillary clinton does better with older voters than younger voters. now the spolster who took this poll conceded, look, there has been an influx of new registrations into the democratic party over the last few months and the possibility that young voters will be more present. so there could be wiggle room in these numbers. they also said this. they ran a different model of this same poll, allowing for much larger turnout from young voters, allowing for more of the newly-registered democrats, and even with that, they had hillary clinton winning the state by7 points, so it's only one poll. think of connecticut a few weeks ago, connecticut was a state that barack obama won the primary in 2008. it's democratic state, it's a hal heavily white state. it's a closed primary state. in 2016, she turned it around by ten points and won it. so if she does went there after
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getting trounced in 2008, there is a bit of a precedent maybe for it. >> that means that this next half hour is going to be very important in democratic politics. chris jansing told us earlier when the sanders campaign describes its narrow, narrow, narrow, very uphill path to winning the nomination, there is no way they can describe that path without winning oregon. if oregon is going to be a tougher battle than everybody is supposing, then this next half hour is going to be a hugely big deal in this year's presidential politics. we'll be right back.
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so democratic races tonight in kentucky where hillary clinton is the apparent winner and also in oregon, but there is also technically a republican race in or organize as well. as the only republican left in the republican race, donald trump has the advantage of not really having to bother with the
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primary anymore, but that doesn't mean he's having an easy time of it right now. over the past week, it's been a roulette wheel of terrible headlines from donald trump's past. heading into tonight's oregon contest alone, the washington post added this particular flaming bag to the trump doorstep. it's a feature on his ties to a known mafia informant. whether or not this stuff has electoral consequences for mr. trump in the fall, this is what the media climate is like around him right now. one news scoop a day, basically people dragging stuff up out of his business past. joining us now is robert kosta, and i understand you've got some new reporting on how the trump campaign is sort of dealing with this new climate they find themselves in. >> spoke with trump himself, and he said he's going to go out there on the campaign trail and try to explain himself, to defend himself. personally used force of his personality to try to convince voters that he's not anti-women, that he's not against minorities, that he actually has
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some humanity. he recognized in our conversation that he has a deficit in the polls. he's seen as an unfavorable person by many voting blocks, and he's trying to fix it and raise money, striking an agreement with the republican national committee and having fundraisers next week on the west coast. >> in terms of his effort to rebut each of these scandals, over the past five days, there have been a lot of them and they've been far-flung. his alleged sexist comments to women in his business life and personal life, his ties to a mafia informant, some of the other stories about his financial dealings, his business past, his tax avoidance schemesna the past. when you say he plans on explaining these away. >> it won't be easy, and he's facing a new assault by
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democratic super pacs and hillary clinton. 60-90 days before a convention it's an intense challenge for trump. can he redefine himself, can he set the terms for the general election in a bit of a more favorable way for himself. this is somebody who's never been in this situation before, coming out of a primary and trying to introduce himself to an electorate that has a lot of skepticism. >> thank you, my friend. joining us now is mike murphy, a former chief strategist for the pro-jeb bush super pac, right to rise usa. thank you for joining us. nice to have you here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> now, as i understand it, you are not going to be a trump voter. that's never going to happen in your future. i also cannot imagine that you are going to be a hillary clinton voter. does that mean that you are going to go on vacation without an absentee ballot filed in november? >> no, i'll vote, i'll probably write in somebody who reflects my principles. i intended to vote for the ghost
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of wendall wilke because he came out of nowhere to win the nomination and was actually a great patriot. i think trump fails every test that you want in a president. and as much as i don't look forward to hillary clinton in the white house, there's a heine i can't cross. >> robert kosta was talking about him trying to rebut all this, and his relationship with women and business dealings and associations and all this. the last five days, if that is going to be the next five months, ultimately, do you think him being at the top of the ticket becomes a bomb for the democratic, for the republican party and all of its down ticket races? >> oh, yes, a huge lead weight. we'll have to fight our way through it. based on my friend kosta's story today, the trump campaign will try to rebrand him, probably particularly at the convention. but it's going to be difficult.
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because re-branding requires some credibility and more importantly, some discipline, and trump's the most undisciplined candidate everywhere. he basically does open mic night in response to clips that he didn't like on cable television flying in his plane to the event. so it will take an entirely different trump to be able to competently go after these things. i'm willing to be surprised, but i doubt it. he's built up so much damage. what he doesn't understand is he's gone from a world of 28 million republican voters to 127 million voters who are dramatically different. unless he dramatically changes every way he operates, he's toast. >> mike, it's nicole wallace. i think paul ryan is a republican leader, principled very much in the way that jeb bush is, would you agree? >> oh, yes. so how would you think, take us inside the mind of paul ryan, knowing very intimately the inside the mind of jeb bush
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who's now free to say whatever he wants. what is paul ryan's state of mind right now after meeting with donald trump and getting all of this pressure from the base of the party. a poll out today shows republicans see donald trump, 54% see donald trump as a leader of the republican party, paul ryan's number is in the low to mid-30s. where does paul ryan take this from today? >> well, i haven't talked to him about it, but i think he is in a tough position, because he is a leader of what i call like jeb, the non-grievance republicans who have a real vision to make us the leading party and win elections. he represents a caucus that's split, three quarters of the house caucus is for trump. privately, maybe half. and, you know, he has that position as speaker where he has a certain institutional duty to the party. but i think he's done a better job than anybody else currently in elected office, except for possibly senator sass of nebraska of showing his doubts
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about what trump is doing. so he's in a tough place. >> should paul ryan endorse him? what does it say to always republicans who brief in the principles of free trade, of an inviting republican party that doesn't brief in banning in a religious test. what does paul ryan do next? does he endorse trump or do what you're doing and not vote? >> well, no, no. i'm not voting for trump, i'm going to vote. come on. i'm looking for a candidate. but back to your question. that's paul ryan's to decide, but he has sent a clear signal. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out his opinion of trump, but he has a difficult thing to navigate, because he leads that caucus. he's the most reluctant trump advocate in the republican party right now. and i think he's sending a signal while still trying to be institutionally respectful. it's a very tough position to be in. >> i think i understood why jeb bush and some of the other establishment republicans say we're not going to back trump,
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not going to show up. w.'s not showing up, a number of other people are not going to show up in cleveland. but you surprise me, because you're a professional. what was the thing about -- it must be something you haven't said yet about trump, what's the heart of darkness you have discovered in him, that is so bad thaw don't want him winning. >> i've never been a fan. >> what is the evil? >> he fails my commander in chief test. he an is a stunning ignore amuss on policy. and he's said one stupid reckless thing after another and shows no temperament to learn what he doesn't know, and he doesn't know just about everything. what he said recently to reuters, where he would go meet with the north korean dictate irwhich blows up policy about how we treat dictators. pulling out of nato.
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the guy has a chimpanzee level of knowledge. and i think that the stakes are much higher than some local political race. it ought to be a principled decision. >> the man's a chimp. he gave me the answer. >> there are -- >> chimpanzee level. >> there are chimps actually assembling a picket line right now outside the studio. >> so direct. >> knows more about staying in nato than donald trump. >> do you think the republican majority in the senate is in danger in the fall and do you think the majority in the house is in danger? >> i don't think the majority in the house is in danger, but we could lose seats. i think it's going to be a big battle based on the pre-trump terrain with trump to make it worse in the senate. it's not hopeless, but really, really tough. we're paying too much attention to washington machinations. republican voters don't care about what the washington generals say, not the
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anti-globetrotters, the people in the belt way. what you're looking at in trump, he's still running 20.sbehi poi behind where they need to be. so trump has a republican problem before you even get to the minority problem, the women problem. it's like he was built in a lab to lose. and he's got to tremendously change things or he's toast, which is why i'm taking bets. i think he's toast. >> oh, great, now the lab assistants are picketing us. you've brought them all together with the chimps. thank you, it's good to have you here. everybody's mad! but oregon's about to vote of the oregon votes by mail, which is kind of a weird thing, so we don't have any dramatic video to show you of people at oregon polling places right now. people in oregon needs to get their ballots dropped off by hand if they haven't mailed them in, within the next 14 minutes. those polls are closing just ahead. we'll be right back.
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one of the people who we get to talk to on election nights now because we're very lucky, and we've been very good is the former general counsel of the national committee, ben ginsburg. thank you for being with us tonight. >> a pleasure. >> i want to ask you about what we were just talking about with mike murphy, which is this normalization or the question of the normalization of the donald trump campaign.
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since the primary effectively ended after indiana, he has named a finance chairman, given his de facto blessing to a super pac. he's just hired a pollster. is this from your vantage, is this becoming a normal campaign? >> well, certainly, there is a recognition that you've got to do something different in general election than you did in a primary, that the primary started off as five guys on a pirate ship, and scaling up into a general election is really difficult and challenging thing to do. and they're taking the steps to do it. that's just smart. >> in terms of the rnc and the republican party more broadly having some resistance to donald trump, obviously, we hear that anecdotally from guys like mike murphy. from other individual republicans talking about having a tough time with him. is there any real institutional resistance to him in terms of the party getting behind him? it doesn't feel like it.
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>> it's interesting. first of all, this joint fund-raising agreement has been inked tonight, is a sign that the party apparatus is there. it is true, as mike says, that there are some republicans who aren't there. make no mistake about what you're hearing with paul ryan, it is very much about policy. paul ryan not being 100% endorsing trump is also a signal to some of the donors who they want for that joint fund-raising agreement. paul ryan has probably the closest relationship with the major donor class in the republican party. so his endorsement, as i think it will inevitably come before the convention will be a big sign to ramp up the institutional fund-raising and organization for him. >> for all the anticipation and excitement about paul ryan mott yet endorsing donald trump, you do think it's inevitable? you think it's a matter of him timing it for maximum effect?
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>> i think that paul ryan sees his primary mission as being thur republicans keep their majority in the house. what he's successfully doing i think is providing some cover to his two dozen republicans who need the help the most, in terms of of how to play the top of the ticket in their districts. >> ben ginsburg, former rnc general counsel, thank you. we're going to take a very, very quick break, this is our last break before we are going to get poll closings and the characterization of the vote in oregon. it is more of a wildcard than you think. stay with us.
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go ahead even . good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, nbc news is projecting bernie sanders as the winner of the oregon primary. meanwhile, donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee, cruised to victory there, perhaps not surprisingly. though john kasich pulling in a strong 17%. in kentucky, hillary clinton is the apparent winner. in a razor-thin margin. 47% to bernie sanders 46% bernie sanders. this would be clinton's first outright primary in three weeks. the sanders campaign said they could call for a recount in the state. they said they'll take a clo


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