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we won a great victory in the state of washington a few months ago. we just won oregon, and we're going to win california. i am getting to like the west coast. >> my goodness, my goodness. >> bernie sanders wins oregon. >> i mean, i think it's safe to say, it's on. >> it's not off. that's for sure. it's not off. he did lose kentucky and gains
only eight delegates on hillary clinton. good morning, everyone. it's tuesday may 18th. >> kentucky. >> that was crazy. >> 96% and bernie was ahead. it looked like bernie was going to win kentucky and ended up losing by 1,000 or 2,000 votes. in a state -- >> fifteen events a day. just crazy. >> tons of events there. outspent bernie and yet bernie almost pulls it off in kentucky, which would have been really bad news for the clinton campaign and wins oregon. >> 2008, hillary clinton beat barack obama by 35 points. 35 points in the state of kentucky. she owned that state but she went in hard the last few days. outspent sanders 13 events. she gave him oregon. he conceded. doesn't make up a lot of ground in the delegates but, man, he's not going away. >> it's now really becoming a problem for the party itself.
they are getting irritated with us on set. legendary columnist -- >> what's up. >> managing editor of bloomberg politics and host of with all due respect, mark halperin. bernie sanders needed that big statement last night. he didn't really get it because hillary clinton was declared the i winner. >> hillary was supposed to win this thing. she won by 30 points last time. bernie was off campaigning in puerto rico. this race was a lot closer than expected. >> it would have been better if -- >> she has more work to do than a couple of days ago to bring him in and on board. she needs her convention to be picket and not a four-day fight. >> just from all sides, when you
look at this race from hillary clinton's perspective. really getting it from all sides. 1% and fewer than 2,000 votes separate the two candidates. clinton won the state's metropolitan areas but bernie sanders walked away with the state's eastern counties, coal country. the state's campaign will consider whether to have for a recount. essentially a tie in the state clinton walked away with in 2008. still clinton spokesman bri mam front of 11,000 people in california. 11,000 people as the crowd loudly cheered bernie or bust. it was plain to see the democratic party israel to watch this play out a while longer. >> let me also say a word to the
leadership of the democratic party. it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. the other option for the democratic party, which i see as a very sad and tragic option is the truce to maintain status quo structure, remain independent on big money campaign cricks and be a party with limited participation and limited energy. and a party which incredibly is allowing a right wing extremist republican party to capture the
votes of a majority of working people in this country. now, i come from the working class of this country, and i will be damned -- [ cheers and applause ] i will be damned if we allow the republican party whose job is to represent the rich and the powerful to win the votes of working class americans. >> mike barnicle, that's nothing short of extraordinary. this late in the campaign here we are may the 18th, and he's, in effect, declaring war on the democratic party that declared war on him from the beginning. the system was rigged in iowa. the debate structure was rigged. this entire process has been rigged. the democrats have been too clever by half. bernie sanders, unlike most
people, they get rolled over is standing up and fighting back. >> not only is he fighting back and getting angrier and angrier in public in public displays like that, basically accusing hillary clinton of being a low energy candidate, well funded by big donors. he has obviously attracted thousands of people. >> look at the crowd. >> huge crowds. but this is on hillary clinton. this is not on bernie sanders. this is who bernie sanders is and always has been in a sense. it's on the clinton's campaign's inability weeks ago to did he type him and take him on and bring him under. >> the reality is she's been closer and closer to him, trying to fudge the differences between them saying she's just as progressive as he is, yet there's no way she can get all the way there. he and his supporters see her type of democrat as corrupt and not the fundamental change they
want in the country. >> really it's the worst of both worlds for hillary. she's trying to get closer to bernie sanders, tries to reach out, they seem to get angrier and angrier. nevada this past weekend is something i think snuck up on all of us, just the ugliness of that. this is a real war, i would say, within the democratic party. but a lot of those people in the crowd, they aren't democrats, they are independents. >> that's right. that was part of the problem in kentucky, it was a closed primary. he's done well where independents could vote for him, not well in closed primaries. he's counting on those independents. that nevada situation is extraordinary not just what happened in las vegas where they had sanders supporters throwing the chair, expecting him to fully condemn what happened there. he said of course i condemn the violence but i will not go back on what i said, that this
progress is rigged. the reason they are upset, i support. i don't support how they reacted but the reason i support. >> bernie doubled down. >> he did in a state yesterday. >> he's getting it not just from democratic party, the media is coalescing around clinton. some parts of it. they want him out of the race. does bernie sanders want to be ralph nader of 2016. no longer accurate to say he's campaigning against clinton who locked up the association the vermont socialist is running against the party. that's excellent news for donald trump. a few weeks ago i said i wasn't concerned about sanders remaining until the end because he doesn't wish to see a president trump. sanders has, indeed, lighterned up on clinton and is instead trying to hape the democrats platform and direction. coupled with his refusal to raise money for the party, his
increasingly harsh rhetoric could hurt democrats up and down the ballot in november and beyond. >> this is just what happened between republicans and donald trump. the democratic party did not take him seriously, give him respect, rigged the game with the debates from the git-go. i said something crude on how i think the party handled themselves on this. this is what happens when you don't take a candidate seriously, especially when the candidate is serious. >> they rigged it from the beginning. >> from the git-go. >> iowa, i remember as they were till counting votes in the early morning after the first contest, the caucus contest, the democratic party of iowa rushes out, declares hillary the winner well before they were ready to do it. that was the first sign. most journalists i talked to and said this on the air said bernie probably won that but we'll never know because the democratic party rigged it. that's what sanders has been living with. i want to say that dana millbanks comparison to ralph nader is way off.
ralph nader got what, 2, 3, 4%. >> again, not taking him seriously. >> bernie sanders has started a movement. >> even when trying to. >> bernie sanders has started a revolution. >> thank you. he's a serious candidate. >> bernie sanders if he wanted to run as an independent candidate. >> oh, my god. >> if there was a counter-veiling democrat on the republican side like ben sasse. >> he could win. >> bernie sanders could be elected president of the united states as an independent. he could be the first independent republican if there was a counter-veiling republican on the other side. he could win. he's never going to get what he needs from the democratic party. you wonder with massive crowds, why doesn't tea this political revolution all the way to november. >> doesn't look like he's not. >> he can get on the ballots.
he's got the money. >> he's on the ballot in all the states but texas. this thing to me that echoes of 1980 kennedy versus carter, which was intensely personal. they really disliked each other as it pursued. sanders gets more y, he has far more people with him than kennedy had in later primaries. >> it's funny, i don't see it. depends personal. i see donald trump getting really personal with members of the press, but i see bernie sanders getting incredibly passionate about important issues to the middle class. i don't see him going after clinton in a personal way. >> the clinton campaign and dnc
more conclusion but have not had rules that were fair. >> no. >> that i think has made bernie sanders and top aides feel like you have to give us a chance. it has to be a democratic system. >> trying to stand up for what they believe. >> i've said this from the beginning, too, the democrats rigged the system from the very start before the first vote is counted with superdelegates. you're saying we do not trust the people. >> we don't take bernie seriously. >> we do not trust the will of the people, so we're going to have our most powerful party insiders get a vote and be superdelegates so they can be a counter-balancen against those roughians that are actually going out and voting for people like bernie sanders, willie, that don't fit into the box. the superdelegates. the debate process was clearly rigged from the start.
>> that statement that bernie sanders put out yesterday about what happened in las vegas ticks through all the things. yes, i condemn the violence. he goes one by one, item by item, here is how the system has been rigged, here is how it has been unfair to me. >> bernard and dnc at odds with the chaos that broke out at the democratic convention this weekend. sanders supporters reportedly threw chairs and started fights and booed senator barbara boxer. >> when you boo me, you're booing bernie sanders rainfall she couldn't even finish her speech. >> they also threatened co-clinton chairwoman in a fight over delegates. when they yufd the campaign of a penchant for violence sanders at first didn't respond.
>> senator, quickly, the nevada convention, the supporters, do you have any reaction to that? >> i talked to him just a few minutes ago. he and i had a very long conversation. he said he condemns that, and i'm confident he does. i'm confident he'll be saying thing about it soon. this is a test of leadership. i'm hopeful and very confident senator sanders will do the right thing. >> look at that image of harry reid. i'm not picking on harry reid but harry reid cloistered in the safety of united states senate chambers and contrast that picture with a picture of all those democrats -- it's kind of like when trump was running and you would see mitch mcconnell or somebody else inside the senate chambers sort of brushing away. >> what's the right thing? what did he mean by that? >> just condemnation of the violence and threats and not a statement -- it's really one of
the most remarkable moments of the campaign in a while on the democratic side. he didn't want that. that was a statement, violence is bad but here is a list of our dpreef answers. he did not pass leadership from reid's standpoint. >> on the floor of the senate not one to define test of leadership. >> told msnbc yesterday, jeff weaver did, that the party wants to use this as a pretext for mistreating us at the national convention. the campaign letter released a statement yesterday saying i condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. but it also goes on to read, if the democratic party is to be successful in november, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect they have earned. dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schulz had this to say last night. >> there is a way to deal with
frustration over process. the fact that the sanders campaign has issued a but in between condemnation of violence and frustration over the process seems to excuse their supporters actions, which is unacceptable. >> yeah. >> i just -- >> that's where it all started. with rigging the debates. it all started with rigging the debates. >> be careful. no vile ennis acceptable. >> no. no vile ennis acceptable. and bernie said that. >> this has been very poorly handled from the start. it has been unfair and they haven't taken him seriously. it starts quite frankly with the person they heard speaking. it just does. >> can i ask this? why would bernie sanders politely get in line for the democratic party. >> because hillary clinton's people said so. >> i sure wouldn't, if the party i was a member of treated me like this, rigged the debate
process, rigged iowa, rigged the entire. >> should step down. >> if the democratic party -- i'd say go straight to hell, i'm running as an independent. i would go out there -- because that would be betraying my people. all those people that gave him $25, $26, $27 to just play nice with the democratic party and fold your self into convention. >> look at those people. excuse me. excuse me. please look at those people. >> the democratic party doesn't respect them. >> bernie sanders has been creating a movement for 50 years. sometimes that movement has included only himself. now he has a huge following, people who are actually listening to him, paying attention to him, believing him and the causes he espouse. debbie wasserman-schultz is a bag job. the campaign has a legitimate right to be angry over the treatment on the democratic
side. >> unless celebrities decide to start running every four years, and, god, let's hope they do not. let's hope we get to people who can read policy and a book. unless they start running every four years and taking over the republican party, bernie sanders is the revolution of 2016. we've all been distracted by the reality show, but bernie sanders is the revolution. >> it's pretty amazing historic feat by donald trump. >> but it's donald trump. >> right. >> what i'm saying, it's a one off. donald trump's story is about donald trump and this innate brilliance in marketing. it's like barack obama, democrats aren't going to repeat barack obama like republicans didn't repeat ronald reagan. bernie sanders, that is a systemic change, just like the i.t. revolution. >> don't get his value. >> that has broken down all of
the battleground rice that held back candidates like him, $27, $28 for contribution. all of those people lining up, organized online. he doesn't go -- >> forgot them. >> he doesn't go to wall street, k street, doesn't go to the watering holes have you to go to. he's changed politics and you have to show that. >> if you wan to continue this and have maximum impact and talk about a revolution not just for the party but the convention, where would you want your party to be? philadelphia. >> if you listen to bernie sanders and have listened to him for a period of time, you quickly realize what he speaks out each and every day is the core of what used to be the democratic party, working people, minimum wage. >> free college education. >> right out of the new deal here. >> by the way, college education used to be free. >> yes. >> used to be able not so long ago you used to be able to go to
uc berkeley, if you're from california, for free. >> franklin dellner roosevelt, social security, tba, harry truman, the gi bill. come on. these what he's been speaking about for years. >> people like it. they have been showing up for years. >> it's a movement, no question. >> the reality is hillary clinton has earned many more votes than hillary clinton has. what will bernie sanders do now? he says he'll go to june. what does he want out of this? if he doesn't get what he wants out of the party, beyond the convention? does he stay around? become an independent? what is his role in the race. >> it would be too late. he would have to make that decision before the convention. >> i don't think he'll do it. >> a lot of drama. still ahead on "morning joe," regrets, he's had a few. donald trump talks about
missteps as he makes peace with megyn kelly? >> was that last night? >> no, tonight. >> was it last night? >> stop. >> was it last night? did anybody see that? >> stop. >> did anybody see it. >> good for her but stops short of apologizing. i saw portions -- >> i did not see it. >> did you see it, mark halperin. >> a lot of clips. >> okay. we'll break down ap's polling on the economy and big dilemma it poses for hillary clinton. but first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> i have two things for you you probably haven't seen before. one was a meteor that was in the sky from maine all the way down to maryland yesterday in the middle of the night and early morning hours, there it is coming onto the screen. very impressive stuff. that's pretty cool. how about this in new hampshire. this was monday during the big windstorm. on top of the peak, summit of mt. washington. a weather observatory there and kids went out to play. these are the guys that man the station even during worst of the winter season.
that was 110-mile-per-hour winds they were walking. so for today, another gloomy day in the mid-atlantic. some big thunderstorms in texas overnight, not a lot of damage thankfully. thunderstorms in florida continue south of ft. myers. vero beach, 11 inches of rain. here is that gloomy weather in the mid-atlantic region. next three days, all the wet weather is southern half of the country. that means more heavy rain heading for areas like dc as we head into saturday for you. today's forecast great weather northern half of the country, wet weather continues in the south. if you want a beautiful day in washington, d.c., baltimore, philadelphia, you're going to have to wait until thursday. that's when it looks like sunny and 70 degrees. enjoy that. as i mentioned, rain is coming your way as we head to the weekend. new york city looking at a decent, cool start to your day, mix of sun and clouds, should be a nice forecast until your rain chances increase on saturday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ [female narrator] you listen when your body says: "i'm tired." or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong?
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donald trump won but ted cruz and john kasich each got 17 and 16% each. awarded them two delegates. >> that bees working. >> favorability, donald trump is seeking to recalibrate his image. did he say that? >> he did. >> he told "washington post" he might begin explaining past controversies at speeches as they are being raised in new attack ads from hillary clinton. the polls said without prompting trump launched into the defense of wild arm movements he makes while criticizing "new york times" reporter which many found to be mocking his joint disability. i would never say anything bad about a person with a disability, leaning forward in his office desk. i swear to you it's true. who would do that to the handicapped. i spent a lot of moneymaking buildings accessible. >> mark halperin, what about
this strategy? what about this strategy, mark? >> i predict it won't be fully enacted. i think people will tell him spending the next few weeks defending himself is probably not a good idea. >> a nightmare. >> the press has extraordinary scepticism about positions. he'd probably be better off whatever the truth is telling it is truth about them. i don't think he'll spend a lot of time. >> you don't think so. that was a stray thought of he says stuff. >> what's my saying about politics? >> about going 90 miles an hour. >> nobody stops when you're going 90 miles an hour. he's been going 90 miles an hour. >> let me try that. meanwhile -- >> when he stops and explains, he loses. so whoever came up with that idea, they need to just put that back into a box. >> meanwhile the much anticipated interview between donald trump and megyn kelly aired last night.
>> was that last night? >> an interview where he showed his softer side but was not fully ready to acknowledge any mistakes? >> has anyone ever hurt you emotionally? >> well, i think the big thing would be maybe the death of my brother. that was the hardest thing for me to take. that was tough. it's unnatural. >> has it happened somebody has done something to you, not a death in the family, has done something to you to wound you. >> i don't know. i can say this, it would be something i could certainly think about and come back with. >> it's okay. >> i will say this. when i'm wounded, i go after people hard, okay? and i try and unwound myself. >> you had said publicly you thought the retweet about heidi cruz was a mistake. >> well, i said i could have done without it, to be exact it. i could have done without it. >> you said a mistake. are you walking that back?
>> no, i'm not walking that back. i actually didn't say it that way. i said i could have done without it. >> that was a mistake, wasn't it? you shouldn't have done that. >> i don't know. i guess you could say she's fair game because she's very much involved with the campaign. >> let me give you a list of a couple and tell me whether you have any comments about it. the comments about john mccain, you prefer people who weren't captured. the comment about carly fiorina's face. do you regret any of those comments? >> yeah, i guess so but you have to go forward. maw a mistake, you go forward. you can correct a mistake. but to look back and see, gee whiz, i wish i didn't do that. in a certain way, i don't think that's healthy. >> when you look back nine months on that first debate to now, any regrets? >> absolutely i have regrets. i don't think i would discuss what the regrets are. absolutely i would have done
things differently. i would have used different language in a couple instances. overall i have to be very happy with the outcome. i think if i didn't conduct myself in the way i've done it, i don't think i would have been successful. >> you know, willie, when i look at that, you know what i'm thinking? i'm thinking barbara walters, richard pryor interview after he burned himself. >> you know who liked the interview? >> who is that. >> donald j. trump. >> well, that is it. well done, megyn, and thy all lived happily ever after. now let us see how "the movement" does in oregon tonight. >> no better story than happily ever after. >> much better than sad exclamation point. >> people all across this country have wildly disparate opinions and views of donald j.
trump. >> yes. >> i have to tell you, he is the greatest marketing genius, i don't know, maybe -- >> what's hilarious whoever runs for president every four years will say i want to do what trump did. i want to take advantage of all the stuff trump did. >> nobody will be ail to do it but him. here is a guy who has been on tv for 30, 40 years. he started tangling with new york tabloids back in the 1970s. i have to say he goes into an interview with anybody right now, it's nothing compared to the tabloids trying to set him on fire in the middle of the bonfire of the vanities era when new york was bad and dirty and ugly and rough and donald j. trump was right there in the middle of it. this is child's play. so some chump goes to his campaign manager and says, i want to do what donald trump
did. okay. well, why don't you spar with the "new york post" for 40 years and figure out how to work with them and the daily news. come on. that's why i say it's a one off. >> the man is a master at supply and demand. he knows what people want. >> did you see the whole interview? >> no, a lot of clips. >> a lot of clips. it was a try out for her, her barbara walters thing, right? she wants to leave fox and be barbara walters or wants to go to abc or maybe nbc, right? >> i don't know what her plan is. i know her contract is up. that's been made public. i think she's the latest in a lot of interviewers who bring him to heel, get him to apologize or show humility about john mccain, go down the history. eh, you make mistakes, move on. he says things, they evaporate for him, they go to ethos and he
goes forward. >> it's not healthy. >> not healthy to go back and look at mistakes and apologize. that's not healthy. have you ever done anything you've had to ask forgiveness for god for? no. no, he says. >> okay. coming up, what do donald trump and president obama have when it comes to north korea? they have somebody in common there. >> they want to go there. >> a surprising interest in pyongyang. >> there is a golf course development involved here i'm sure. >> no. soon. i like the bride more than the groom. turquois dresses... so excited. did all her exes get invited? no one's got moves like uncle joe. ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ when it's go, book with choice hotels and get a free $50 gift card for staying just two times.
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given up on the party or on politics as a whole. turning in into once boring debates in ratings smashing numbers. and this, he argued, was 100% donald trump. the party had become too obsessed with ideology. one thing i've seen over the years, he observed, is that the democrats stick together and the republicans eat their young. that's why they lose so many elections you know. a normal, very nice republican would be hard pressed to win. >> robert draper is with us now. of course when he first met donald trump, donald trump said -- >> whether or not a hand some guy. i didn't expect it. >> thanks for passing that onto the general public, guys, i'll tell you more secrets later. >> you are hand some. >> what was your takeaway after meeting donald trump. >> he certainly can put on the charm. more than that i found surprising, he's actually fairly subdued. you see him on the stump and you imagine this guy is a fountain
of outrageousness. in fact, he's a 69-year-old manna grandfathered. he's a great deal more measured, i don't mean to say fully self-centered but he does consider, at least momentarily, the worth of what rolls off his tongue will overall i found him to be a fairly pleasant person. >> what's so interesting about it, he does just the opposite in person. on the stump it's me, me, me, me. in person he always goes to other people. instead of saying my book is the greatest book ever. willie geist book party, you know why? it's the greatest book i've ever read in my life. >> bring people in from the hall. he's always pushing out towards other people. he knows in person, at least, how to make people feel good about themselves. it's a reversal from his public persona. >> it's two sides of the same coin, joe. like i said right before i got on the set, how he's a master of the media. he told me how when he's on a
campaign -- when he's in a campaign rally he looks out and see seven or so red lights of cameras on the air. he decides then and there he should do riffs around the speech he more or less prepared. he doesn't want to say live what has been said before. has he a real consciousness of what the media wants. one-on-o one-on-one, that's the same thing. when he's doing an interview, he's fully aware of what that individual is trying to get. sometimes it's a little hard to shake him off of, i hesitate to say message, the desire on his part to project an appealing persona. >> he has said, robert, from the beginning, i've been in this to win it from the time i came down the escalator, i wanted to be president of the united states. many of us believe privately, at least, he's a little surprised how big this has gotten and how far it's gone. >> yes, in 2014 when he
interviewed corey for the job and when he was talking to his children about chances for winning, he rated his chances at 10%. it surprised him as well. he knew he could get on tv a lot. he knew how to manipulate the media in that regard. he did not respect in those first few points what would ultimately be $1.9 billion of free advertising. that really came as a surprise to him. it also surprised him his candidates folded as quickly as they did. he and his team thought they would enter the field in a second tier, basically, and he would buy his way up. that didn't happen. it's a good thing it didn't happen for his team because mr. trump is a fairly truckal fella. that was the fear from his opponents that he would spend tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to buy off the nomination. that was never going to happen. >> paul manafort, tell us -- you have a little more information about some of the first efforts on manafort's part to have trump
be more presidential. >> sure. early on, particularly after the bad weeks revolving around wisconsin primary which he lost by 13 points to cruz. following the arrest of his campaign manager, following ill-advised comments he made, there was a movement on the part of paul manafort and the people he brought in with him to lend a more presidential affect. >> and they kept trump off tv for several weeks. >> off the sunday shows for two weeks, which feels like an eternity, right? but what happened, manafort protested a press release the communications director was going to send out firing back at a woman who briefly was considered as communications consultant. she was going to be suing. she announced her plans to sue trump and the trump campaign team for libel. trump wasn'ted to counter-punch as trump likes to do.
manafort called him as he was about to go to a rally in buffalo and suggested he's back on that -- trump said don't expletive tell me how to do pr and the memo did go out. >> hugely keen observer, excited to hear your impressions of trump. who is he like you've covered before? did you come away thinking he had a better chance to win than before you spend time with him. >> you'll be surprised to hear me say he reminds me of george w. bush. he has the tendency to say, no, no, i didn't do anything wrong there. let's move on. he's certainly not going to be reflective in front of another person but he's a little more reflective than we give him credit. that bruskness, certitude. i do think he stands a better chance -- my sense of his possibilities of winning in the general election are better than they were going in. >> why? >> for one thing he's made it very clear he will pivot, as he says. i do think he has the ability to
negotiate. we'll see whether he can negotiate with members of the electorate that he's going to have to do to broaden his base. even he seems aware -- he said to me he's aware he has his work cut out for him when it comes to women, minorities. we've heard every republican candidate say, african-americans want jobs. i'm going to be the jobs guy. vote for me. trump will have to be more than that he has the ability to turn on the dime and give them a more soothing message than just the inflammatory stuff. >> we'll be looking at the new cover story. thank you very much robert draper for being on the show. handsome guy. >> everyone agrees. >> kind of awkward coming from me. >> a bitter pill. >> coming up on "morning joe" -- >> we're just devastated. we're not getting any answers. we're not hearing from our government. we have been abandoned. it's just the worst feeling in the world. i wouldn't wish this upon
anyone. my father is over there suffering. >> that was the son of a retired fbi agent who remains missing nine years after disappearing in iran. >> and his son is right. he's just been forgotten by his government, by everybody. >> we'll talk to the author of a new book who is cracking open the case of the kidnapped american. we'll be right back.
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trump, isn't it crazy? >> what. >> we just said trump, he never expected to win. he just didn't. it snuck up on him. >> i think he was so busy winning he doesn't think about winning. >> i think anything trump does, he goes into it and he focuses on winning. but his attitude -- you know, he's launched a lot of things that famously haven't work. >> you move on. >> it's just something you do. trump failed. he doesn't care. he moves on. he's an entrepreneur. >> chances of first time candidate winning? >> wasn't going to do it. then he launched it. then all these things happened. i think he's as shocked as anybody. >> the most interesting aspect of the race with donald trump so far, at least as far as i'm concerned, is when did he realize that he could actually
win this whole thing. >> i noticed it one night -- >> he mentioned to meetigayn ke it was the debate. i think when he saw how weak everyone was. >> there was a moment when mika and i were watching the returns come in. was it south carolina? there was one night we could see a difference in him. he went up there and was like, whoa. obviously after indiana, that was the most obvious when he realized. before when he started reeling off all these victim rice. >> in the first debate he turned to rand paul and said you're having a tough time, you're having a tough night. given trump's nature, you wonder if at the end of that night he went, whoa. >> presidential campaigns being about moments of strength. think about the other 16 candidates, name a single moment of strength the other 16 had.
>> trump had them every day. >> i was shocked by how weak they were. i'm not talking about their skills but what they projected. they were all weak. >> now we have an earthquake on the democratic side. it's just amazing. who knows what's going to happen. coming up eugene robinson, we do know this and sam stein join the political "roundtable." we'll talk to sam about why jeb bush's scars from the primary might heal. he said a few things that shows he might not be over it. plus three top political correspondents join us with new reporting this morning. we'll talk about why it's the democratic convention that could be chaotic, not the republicans. "morning joe" coming right back. >> don't tell secretary clinton she might get nervous, i think we're going to win here in california. about to arrive. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris.
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before we will have the opportunity to defeat donald trump, we're going to have to defeat secretary clinton. >> wow. >> okay. that was amazing, too. welcome back to "morning joe." >> goodness gracious. >> wednesday -- >> without the top off. >> that's what we are this morning. there's so much going on. >> msnbc contributor legendary mike barnicle, also managing editor of bloomberg politics. with all due respect mark halperin. can you say it with me, pulitzer prize winning column nest. >> guys, please, pulitzer prize
editor of "washington post" eugene robinson on capitol hill. >> you've got to stop. you're not good at this. >> i'm great at this. >> you have to introduce people with more flourish. >> narrow shoulders, four or five fantasy football leagues, sam stein, "huffington post," senior white house guy. it's great to see you guys. >> okay. next time. >> how are you, sam? >> well, i was doing well. >> what do you think of this crazy, crazy fight on the democratic side? much ado about nothing or a street fight to the convention. >> for a while i thought it was much ado about nothing. increasingly you're seeing pretty radical stuff, death threats, nasty stuff directed at democratic party chair. keep in mind, this is all over
two delegates in a race that is pretty much decided. so we're talking about really small stakes for tempers to flair this high. and you're getting the impression -- maybe i'm overstating it or overinterpreting it because it's in the moment, you do get the impression it's going to be tough to put it back together by the time philadelphia rolls around. >> showing crowds from california, this guy bernie sanders campaigning in puerto rico. he almost won kentucky. that would have been a big loss for clinton. couple thousand separated him. goes out to california and having bobby kennedy like crowds from 1968. >> he gets the crowds. the folks in california who support sanders have been waiting for their moment. he promises them their moment. they are going to get to vote for bernie sanders. he's clearly touched a nerve, a passion that other candidates
have done. >> you don't sound too impressed. >> i'm not impressed because the math doesn't work out for him. the math works out for her. it doesn't work out for him. it plain doesn't. he'd have to win -- kornacki went through the whole thing last night. if he's going to beat her in california by 50 points, he's got a shot with beating her with points delegates and theoretically convincing superdelegates to come over. >> he's touched a nerve. why is he still there and causing such damage to her, if you would agree this is perhaps -- why is he not pulling out of the race if he's just tupd a nerve? >> he's not pulling out of the race because he thinks he's got stuff to accomplish. now, is that actually winning the nomination now? is that continuing to be a major -- perhaps the major
ideological influence on the democratic party right now? is that not at this point perhaps internal reform with the democratic party. >> it looks like a battle for the heart and soul of the democratic party mike barnicle. >> no doubt. that battle has been going on for some months now. gene is absolutely correct. hillary rodham clinton has the math. donald trump and bernie sanders have the mood, they have the mood of the country. they have captured the sense of anxiety, frustration, anger, despair about the future in terms of your children, your children's lives. they have that in spades. >> can partly answer your question. one thing he wants is for her not to get the nomination without superdelegates. he wants the symbolism of saying she needed this group of elite democrats in order to go over the top and wants to keep her moving over to the left and not
back to the center. don't take anything away from her achievement. she's going to likely be the nominee, she fought for it. >> up by a couple million votes. >> there's no doubt if you look at what she cass into this with in terms of advantages and he came in with, his achievement -- >> this was a story just like trump was missed. sam. >> just a quick note here, every democrat except for al gore in 2000 has needed superdelegates to get the nomination. it wouldn't be a new thing to rely on superdelegates, barack obama did, too. i think what bernie sanders wants to do here is get as many votes as possible so he can influence the platform committee at the convention. he also makes the argument, i don't think it's necessary lay wrong argument, there's something to it, that he's bringing people into the process, registering voters that otherwise wouldn't be rental stirred, which then in the general election format could help the party. in places like california maybe that doesn't matter in the end. in certain states it could impact the general election, bring them in, gets them
registered as democrats and come november, assuming he's not the nominee, says listen, my movement will do best under hillary clinton, please go out and vote for her. >> it was an interesting moment in his speech last night in which he actually said -- he promised to bring his people out for hillary clinton, which was interesting. >> nbc news has declared hillary clinton the apparent winner in kentucky where 1% and fewer than 2,000 votes separate the two candidates. >> wow, that's close. >> she now needs fewer than 100 delegates to clinch the nomination. clinton won the state's major metropolitan areas but bernie sanders walked away from the state's eastern county coal country. the sanders campaign says they will consider whether to ask for a recount today. spun the contest as essentially a tie in a state clinton won big in 2008. it was a different story out west in oregon. sanders projected the winner there. his wife jane delivered the news while the senator was on stage in front of some 11,000 people
in california. as the crowd loudly cheered, bernie or bust, it was plain to see that the democratic party will have to watch this play out a while longer. >> let me also say a word to the leadership of the democratic party -- it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. the other option for the democratic party, which i see as a very sad and tragic option, is the truce to remain status quo structure, remain dependent on big money campaign contributions and be a party with limited
participation and limited energy. and a party which incredibly is allowing a right wing extremist republican party to capture the votes of a majority of working people in this country. now, i come from the working class of this country, and i will be damned -- i will be damned if we will allow the republican party whose job is to represent the rich and the powerful to win the votes of working class americans. >> all right. maybe i'm getting caught up in the moment and maybe he's just touching a nerve, gene, but i'm sorry, i think not only has he start add movement here. is it causing great problems for hillary clinton, great problems when she doesn't need them. i think he's also revealed
hypocrisy in the democratic party itself, hypocrisy that started at the beginning of the race when they really wanted a coronation and they didn't take the candidate serious at all. they practically cast him over as nonexistent. from the debates to other things that happened during the primaries and caucuses, they -- i said once what i thought, i think they really shot them selves in the foot and are paying for it now, the democratic party. >> he talked about the rich and powerful, that the republicans represent the rich and powerful. most of the people at the bernie sanders rally believe hillary clinton represent the rich and powerful, represents wall street. there are going to be a lot more wall street financeers, a lot more wall street financiers writing checks to hillary clinton than donald trump. when you see -- when he mentions democratic party and the democratic party is actually booed at a bernie sanders rally -- >> by 11,000 people. >> by 11,000 people.
in large part it's because they feel like hillary clinton is a neo-con who represents rich and powerful on wall street and they don't want that to represent their party. >> it's worth keeping in mine, number one, she got a lot more votes than bernie sanders did. number two, she's clearly in touch with important, necessary elements of the democratic party that bernie sanders is not in touch w he's in touch with african-american voters, hispanic voters. this really -- >> this is really -- the democratic party right now is split right down the middle along racial lines? >> well, to a certain extent, because you've also got an age divide. you've got a lot going on. >> so it's divided. >> so the democratic party is divided by race, by age, by
gend gender. that's a good way to go into the fall. >> look, hillary clinton would much rather, i'm sure, go in with a completely united party behind her. it will be interesting to see and important to see to what extent bernie sanders makes good on his word, he's not going to let the republicans win. therefore, he's going to support hillary clinton. >> mark, explain how, because you added gender and age. talk about how the democratic party right now is divided by race, divided by age, divide by -- >> based on primary result but hillary clinton has done her best to smudge up ideological differences between the two of them. the reality is if they have a little luck, she and bernie sanders can reach an accord, what will unite the democratic party is donald trump. there's such concern that donald trump will become president. the better he does in the polls,
the more the concern will rise, the concerns for general election will go away. >> bernie sanders and dnc at odds, chaos this weekend. sanders supporters thought they tipped the scales in favor of the democratic front-runner hillary clinton. sanders supporters reportedly threw chairs, started fights and booed senator barbara boxer. >> when you boo me, you're booing bernie sanders. >> after the convention, the party's headquarters were vandalized with pro sanders graffiti, threatened pro chairman in a flight over two pledge delegates. >> i got threats to my family, my grandson, to my husband. they have attacked a place i have a daytime job.
this is my volunteer job being chair of the party. they have attacked my workplace and they have said very awful things. >> when the nevada state party accused sanders a penchant for actual violence, sanders at first did not respond. >> quickly, this past weekend was nevada convention supporters, do you have any reaction to that? >> i talked to him just a few minutes ago. he and i had a very long conversation. he said that he condemns that, and i'm confident he does. i'm confident he will be saying something about it soon. this is a test of leadership as we all know. i'm hopeful and very confident senator sanders will do the right thing. >> jeff weaver, sanders campaign manager, told msnbc that the party wants to, quote, use this as a pretext for miss treating us at the national convention. the campaign letter released a statement saying, quote, i condemn in and all forms of
violence, including harassment of individuals. it also goes on to read, if the democratic party is to be successful in november it's imperative all parties treat campaign supporters with fairness and the respect they have earned. >> mike, this has gone off the rails. you see the nevada chairwoman talking about threats to her. it's gotten really ugly. >> look, a strong case, legitimate case this has been a bag job from the beginning with establishment of the debate dates set. >> total bag job. >> bernie keeps using the phrase "rigged." it has been rigged. it only enhances his accomplishment, what he has done. there's also i don't think much of a debate about the behavior of the bernie bros is incredibly tedious. if you say bernie sanders, his hair is blowing the wrong way, you get -- you know, i know, you know, you just get -- >> new york city it's amazing and it's vicious.
>> yes. >> passionate is putting the better spin on it, it's often vicious. the threats, the democratic state chair in nevada got, she works in a restaurant. she's manager in a restaurant. she's a working person in america. the threats were vile, absolutely vile. >> so dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz had this to say last night. >> there is a way to deal with frustration over process, but the fact that the sanders campaign has issued a "but" in between condemnation of violence and frustration over the process seems to excuse their supporters' actions which is unacceptable. >> no, it doesn't. it doesn't excuse it. condemnation of violence is a condemnation of violence. the way the system has been rigged to a coronation from the
git-go due to the person that just spoke is exactly what that is. there's no but that debunks violence. >> if he had gotten more votes than she had, it would be a better argument. >> i'll tell you what, can hillary clinton get 11,000 people in california right now? can she? >> no, but can bernie sanders win the delegates to win the nomination? >> if he wants to make it he can. you're casting him off as a joke. >> by the way, bernie -- >> i did not cast him off as a joke, i just said he has not won. he has not won. >> bernie sanders has been running on a 45% angled slope from the very start. >> what debbie said from the start. >> hillary clinton has had every advantage, every break given to her from the very beginning by this democratic party. it has been rigged -- >> sorry, that's true. i'll vote for her. >> we're in may and sam stein speaks to the extraordinary power of the message and people
supporting. >> granted all that, granted -- >> are you going to put a but in there like debbie wasserman schultz. >> granted look at the caucus, hillary clinton did win the nevada caucus, correct? she won by 6 percentage points. so if you believe this is a democratic process, which i think we all do, naturally would be followed she would be awarded more pledge delegates from nevada because of her win there. what's happening now is that there are other convention and delegate awarding processes that the sanders campaign is to their credit trying to gain. if you believe this is purely democratic they shouldn't be protesting this. she deserves to get more pledge delegates out of nevada. again, we have to step back for second. this is over two pledge delegates in a contest she's up by 250. what are we talking about here? >> sam, it does represent a bigger divide in the democratic party that something this small -- people always say
primary fights are uglier than general election fights because you're fighting over such small differences. what this lends itself to is what gene and mark said this morning, at this moment in may, the democratic party is divided along racial lines. they are divided along gender lines and they are divided along age lines. >> he had legitimate grievances about how the process is operated. for instance, these closed primaries with these registration dates like in new york really do end up hurting the party in the long run, i think. it hurts bernie sanders as well. can point to nevada and say, listen, all against me in the vote. he kept casinos open directly for hillary clinton's benefit. he does have grievances there. she ended up winning the vote. >> it's the most impressive second place finish i've ever covered for either party in part because she did have so many advantages, in part he's espousing ideas that aren't from the center of america from either party. he's done very, very well. he's still going to be second
probably. >> she had the advantage in 2008 as well. and she got beat that time because she got beat. somebody was a better candidate. >> she had a lot of advantages but she was running against a guy from the moment he said he might run, everybody said he's very, very formidable. they didn't say that about him. >> nonetheless, she came in as establishment candidate and got beat. >> she didn't get beat. she beat him. >> you said bernie sanders talking about issues that have not been part of the conversation in american politics. >> well, in generations. >> the core of the democratic party. that's what he -- he's talking about something hubert humphrey used to talk about. >> you know when the democratic party started talking about those things? when the clintons came along. >> triangulate. >> the clintons and the bushes have owned american politics for 25 years. nobody has talked about the issues that bernie sanders is talking about now since the
clintons came to town and took over the democratic party. >> that's true. >> yeah but -- >> there's a strange hypocrisy here i'm having trouble articulating. >> what's that? let's work through it. >> i'm working through it. it's like she won. she's winning. the math is for her. i wish you guys would have just done that with trump every step of the way. that would have been fair. >> i did, i did, i did. >> he's winning but.... he's winning but he's a horrible person. he's winning... >> misrepresenting the past. >> let's not talk about bernie sanders because he means nothing to this entire race. let's not talk about what he's doing because it's -- >> gene did say all along. >> i know came to terms with the fact he could win. >> very early on. >> very early on. >> you never --
>> i tried to look at the campaign as it was. >> for hillary clinton, she's winning. just no one look. she's winning. >> the general election in new hampshire, moving along here. >> do you get what i'm saying? >> yeah, but you're shooting the wrong person. aim at the camera. >> if you want to shoot somebody else, that's fine but don't shoot at me. i was right. >> you know what, there was a poll in new hampshire for general election race, it's pretty darn interesting. >> hillary clinton has two-point edge 4.4% to 42 in wbr poll, 7% undecided in 2012 barack obama defeated mitt romney by 6 points in the granite state. in a matchup of trump against bernie sanders -- >> look at that. >> why are we looking at this? vermont's senator beats by 16%. >> mike barnicle you look at every state and bernie sanders is outperforming hillary clinton in every state.
here in new hampshire, it's by almost 20 points. >> new hampshire is a small state. it gets to the argument -- >> new hampshire is a small state that made bush president. >> gets to what we were discussing a few moments ago. democratic party split along gender and race. >> and age. >> and age. hillary versus trump. those are the numbers. those aren't the numbers. that's bernie beating donald trump. >> decisively. >> hillary and donald trump, it's basically a jump ball. >> you've got to ask your self today, is there any republican bedevilling donald trump as much as bernie sanders bedevilling her. >> no, they have stopped. >> mitt romney hasn't stopped. >> for the most part. are you and gene okay? >> we're fine. >> we're fine. there's truth in what you say. >> mark.
>> four electoral votes in new hampshire but it's petrie dish here. people know them because they paid attention to primaries. for him to be tied in a state that has been vital to democratic coalition with sanders ahead is going to worry a lot of democrats. going to say why is our nominee, likely nominee tied with their likely nominee. >> where do those people do. >> going whew. >> still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump says he's turning up million of new voters, but does that math really check out? also ahead we have this. >> 2 corinthians, right? 2 corinthians 3:17, that's the whole ball game. where the spirit of the lord -- right? where the spirit of the lord is, there is liberty. and here there is liberty college, liberty university. but it is so true. you know, when you think -- and that's really -- is that the one you like? i think that's the one you like,
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purchase trump's former foe made it clear he won't endorse presumptive nominee. he went further with a dutch newspaper, i said that from the start what i thought of him but no one else joined. that was surprising. they should have, if you believe the party of lincoln, reagan and my father is worth fighting for. she should have said something. then there's this, jeb bush reacting to trump's tweet of himself eating a taco salad on
cinco de mayo. first, not all hispanics are mexican. secondly, not all espns eat tacos. thirdly, taco bowl is an american dish. fourthly, to say this along with all the other things he said is further insult. it's like sitting down with a watermelon and saying i love african-americans. >> sam stein. >> you uncovered this interview with jeb bush. wow, what's the takeaway? >> first of all, i'm surprised more people aren't perusing danish interviews for jeb bush interviews of it's a gold mine. >> i think you found a link from another dutch site but go ahead. >> no, i have to credit the reporter. the reporter was very kind to flag it for me. i thought it was pretty amazing and fairly honest of jeb. we talked a little about this in the past, how you don't see a lot of republicans at this time, other than those in the consulting class, speaking up
against trump. they by in large either fall in line or you see the process by which they are going to fall in line. jeb is a holdout. part of it might be he suffered such humiliation during the course of the primary campaign that he can never bring himself to support the guy. but i have to think a lot of it is because trump represents for him the anti-thesis of what the party should be, open party, a party that appeals to minority groups. a party that isn't sort of a bully party. he looks at trump and you can see in the interview, he says -- he's almost bewildered by the fact more republicans did not see what he saw, which is electoral peril basically. >> his argument is not a surprise. number one, none of the bushes have participated in this campaign. they said we're not going to endorse, go to the convention. a bush party rule. he makes the case never trump movement makes, if you're a principled conservative and not willing to compromise all those things you believe in, how can
you get behind a guy who is clearly not a conservative and not even republican, perhaps. that's his argument. >> joining us now "new york times" reporter jeremy peters, you are reporting on social conservatives who are slowly but surely trying this best to embrace this concept or maybe their own reality. >> yes, begrudgingly biting their teeth, holding their nose, whatever you want to call it. one of the more fascinating things about this conversion, if that's what you want to call it, a lot of religious conservatives do see it as just that, donald trump as a convert to their cause. that's what's really resonant with a lot of them. ultimately their fate is about conversion. if they believe trump is somebody coming around to their cause, sure, they are going to get on board. not all of that is a leap of faith. a lot of it is transactional. they want to support somebody who they think will name supreme court justices that are going to be more conservative than hillary clinton would. they can't stomach the idea of hillary naming anyone to the
supreme court. so in that case they think they are getting a better deal with trump. >> and are there any leaders that have come out that have surprised you in support of donald trump in the conservative -- socially conservative movement? >> i think tony perkins not saying hell no to trump, which a lot of conservative -- contrast him with erick erickson. >> called trump hitler and gone really overboard in his condemnation of trump. tony perkins for me was kind of a bellwether seeing he hasn't come out strong. let's wait and see. let's let trump make the first move and then we'll decide. >> "politico" also has done an analysis whether trump is bringing in new voters. keeps talking about how he's bringing in new voters. that's not actually, according to this "politico" article, that's not actually the case.
what they are saying is that actually people that have voted for the republicans in general elections have now moved to primaries. it's not like he's getting people from outside the republican party. they are people that always come home. he's just energized people who are election voters that don't normally vote in the primaries. they are two extremely different subset of voters. you've got primary voters, general election voters. >> which is an interesting analysis. >> the question is though, again, is he going to expand this base or not. i look at all these polls, new hampshire poll, nbc news survey monkey poll, basically shows all things tied. quinnipiac polls, ppd polls that show him ahead in some swing states. lou at the demographics and wonder how is this all adding up? >> this is a really important story. this is something that
republicans have been talking about for a while, when they could finally see these numbers to tell them whether or not trump was, in fact, bringing in the numbers he claims, the millions and millions he's bringing into the process. turns out he's not so far. we won't know the story for a few more months when all the numbers can be crunched. it's interesting because the evidence was all there during the primaries that trump was going to win. the resulting class, the pollsters, the journalists like myself all just chose to interpret it differently. >> i just wonder where these bernie sanders supporters go. because you are right. she's clearly winning. there's no chance that she won't, right? >> right. >> where do they go? >> where do they go? if they are not for her now, and they are still gathering by tens of thousands and screaming at the top of their lungs. >> that's a big question. two subsidiary questions.
what does sanders do? does sanders make a full throated attempt to bring them along with hillary clinton and with the democratic party? he said he would last night. so number two, do they follow? those are unanswered questions. >> jeremy, what do you think? >> well, it seems to me that the republicans figured this out earlier and they were a lot smarter about it. they knew they couldn't afford to alienate donald trump supporters, not only of what that meant for the white house but what it could mean for all the congressional races and house and senate being at stake. democrats haven't really figured that out yet. they haven't quite -- now, look at this division with the leaders in the party right now. they are going out and condemning better than. the goodwill toward bernie on the hill in the democratic leadership is wearing thin. >> there never really was any, so i think he's good. >> it's melting down a bit on both sides. >> it absolutely is. sam, is there a window for a
bernie sanders voter? let's say he doesn't win the nomination, gets out of the race in june or july, whatever it is. can you see overlap for a sanders voter to vote for donald trump? can he swing that over? a group of people whose argument based on getting corporate money out of politic, all these things donald trump has claimed to do. is there an overlap there? >> no, not as big as i think we envision it. these things, we look at personality a lot of times but usually there are other factors that determine how people vote. a lot of it is party, plain old demographics. then you're starting to see some of trump's policies move closer in the direction of traditional republican party. so for instance he this morning is establishing joint fundraising apparatus with rnc that's going to take checks that are $450,000 total, which is exactly what bernie is complaining about with hillary clinton. you saw yesterday in the reuters interview that trump talked about repealing dodd/frank financial regulatory reform.
that's not the stuff that bernie sanders is arguing. in fact, trump is actually moving away in some respects from what sanders wants. whether that's enough to convince sanders supporters is another thing. they might just disengage entirely. they might say i don't like any choices, between hillary clinton and donald trump i'm not going to vote at all. i have a feeling you'll see a good chunk of them, as mark alluded to, get so nervous about the prospect of trump being president they do come out for hillary clinton. >> all right, jeremy peters, thank you very much. good to have you on the set. we'll be right back with more "morning joe" in just a moment.
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you know a writer said to me, make america great again is not a very positive message. i said, have you to understand, that's the most positive message. that's the most positive message. because right now our country is doing poorly, we're losing our jobs, we're losing manufacturing, we're losing our money. i go around, i look at these statistics, they are a disaster. they are a disaster. all over the country they are a
disaster. >> donald trump said it's in the ditch. many americans agree. according to "associated press" and norc, 57% say the economy is poor. but at the same time two-thirds say their own finances are faring pretty well. it sets up an interesting divide for candidates as they try to define their economic message. is it the savings rate or why is it people feel their personal economies are thriving, if that's the word, but overall they feel kind of doom and gloom. >> what this poll tells us, it's not as simple as reagan's question are you better off than you were four years ago. a lot of people look at their own circumstances. their homes have recovered value, maybe they have refinanced their mortgages.
they still feel pretty secure but vup rabble to events beyond their control, dips in the stock market or unexpected medical bill. it's really those uncertainties that help to explain some of this divide. now, there are some other factors in play, such as if you're a republican, you're disproportionately negative about the economy relative to your own finances. we also see a big split in education. this has largely favored college graduates at the expense of people with high school degrees or less. so those less educated are not only not as happy with the economy, but they are also more concerned about their personal finances. >> josh, it's willie geist, the question of obama is key presidential campaign. hillary clinton say need to continue the gains made by president obama. on the other hand you just heard donald trump say we have to make america great again, suggesting it's not great because of policies made by president obama. based on your analysis, based on all the stats and the data you've looked at, how is the
economy doing right now as compared to how it was eight years ago? >> americans kpleerl know the economy improved. when we compared this to ap polls we found americans are slightly more optimistic about the u.s. economy but they are not necessarily all that much more secure about the how they feel about the economy because we've endured growth that is historically sluggish of 2% a year compared to post world war ii average of 3%. so the real challenge in here is a candidate has to be able to say i can either encourage growth and get us out of this logjam or provide instability enough for that growth to have a foundation. >> gene robinson here. is this all about president obama? are these perceptions of the economy really dependent on how the respondent feels about obama? if they are heavy obama they are down on it, president obama
obama they are up on it or can we tell from the figures you have? >> so in some cases we can see by party affiliation that there is a reflection of obama. republicans again are so negative on the economy, particularly going forward. 38% of the republicans we surveyed expect the economy to get worse this year. that's a reflection of obama. certainly democrats are more supportive of what they say in the economy. yet that doesn't explain the entire divide. we really have to go to education on this, because we've had a recovery in which the unemployment rate for someone with a college degree is 2.4%. if you have a high school degree or less, it's 5.9%. that gap is massive. it contributes to an unevenness and sense of insecurity. >> okay, josh. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. still ahead inside the shadowy world of spy craft and search for answers about robert levinson. was the fbi agent who went missing eight years ago also on
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to him. at the same time i would put a lot of pressure on china because economically we have tremendous power over china. people don't realize that. they are extracting vast billions of dollars out of our country. billions. country. and we have tremendous power over china. china can solve that problem with one meeting or one phone call. >> how would they do that? >> north korea has nukes. >> i know that. so does china, by the way. i would speak to him. i have no problem with speaking to him. >> the clinton campaign responded in a statement that referenced trump's recent dispute with david cameron. donald trump insults the leader of our closest ally and then turns around and says i would love to talk to kim jong-un?
i suppose that makes sense since he praised kim jong-un for executing his uncle. his approach to foreign policy makes no sense to the rest of us. if this sounds familiar take a listen to this from the 2007 democratic primary debate. >> would you be willing to meet separately without precondition during the first year of your administration in washington or anywhere else with the leaders of iran, syria, venezuela, cuba and north korea in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries? >> the reason is this. the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration is ridiculous. >> i would be interested in knowing what hillary has to say to that question. >> i will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year.
i will promise a very vigorous diplomatic effort because i think it is not that you promise a meeting at that high a level before you know what the intentions are. >> remember that? >> fascinating. i think people decided, most americans believe probably that the answer, you talk to our enemies, yes you talk to enemies and adversaries. i was just musing about the visuals of the meeting between kim jong-un and donald trump. that would be a sight -- >> the mother of all photo-ops. >> the hair alone. >> obviously send in rodman first. >> president obama followed up on that. he met with raul castro.
>> you stole my rodman line. >> i use a lot of your material. >> i won't get mad. the way that history played out with the iran deal and cuba deal probably resembles a little more what hillary clinton was talking about in '07 and what barack obama was talking about in '07. diplomatic outreach. when a deal was reached that is when they got together and discussed it and/or met. that being said it's odd to see trump take this position. i think if you chewed obama and then said donald trump is an idiot. if barack obama had made the statement that donald trump did to reuters yesterday you could imagine that every republican in congress would have been tearing him apart for that. jeff sessions, one of donald
trump's biggest backers in senate actually praised him for it. you can imagine if barack obama said it jeff sessions would have torn him apart. we are seeing everyone go to the other side of this. it is truly bizarre. >> as we were told earlier trump is more thoughtful and deliberative than people realize and he has a plan here. it may not work. >> up next, when you're bernie sanders you win some and lose some. that didn't stop him from escalating his fight with the democratic establishment. are party leaders playing with fire? that's next on "morning joe." in a closed primary something i am not all that enthusiastic about where independents are not allowed to
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>> bernie sanders wins oregon. >> it is on. >> it's not off. it is not off. he did lose kentucky and gains only eight delegates on hillary clinton. >> 96% and bernie was ahead. and it looked like bernie was going to win kentucky and ended up losing by 1,000 votes after louisville came in in a state where she campaigned. >> just tons of events there. spent a lot of money. they outspent bernie and yet bernie almost pulls it off in kentucky which would have been really bad news for the clinton campaign and wins oregon. >> 2008 hillary clinton beat barack obama by 35 points. she owned that state but went in hard the last few days and
outspent sanders. she gave him oregon. he won. doesn't make up a lot of ground in the delegates but he is not going away. >> it is now becoming a problem for the party itself. with us on set legendary columnist. >> co-host of with all due respect that airs at 6:00 on msnbc. bernie sanders needed the statement. he didn't get it because hillary clinton -- >> hillary was supposed to win this thing. bernie was off campaigning in puerto rico. that characterization is not quite right. this race was a lot closer than people expected. >> the fight they are having with what happened at las vegas means she has a lot more work to
bring him and his supporters on board which is essential for her. she needs her convention to be spectacular. getting it from all sides. 1% and fewer than 2,000 votes separate the two candidates. clinton won the state's major metropolitan areas but bernie sanders walked away with the state's eastern counties thmpt sanders campaign says they will consider whether to ask for a recount and spun the contest that is essentially a tie. still clinton spokesman tweeted last night. as the crowd loudly cheered
bernie or bust. it was plain to see that the democratic party will have to watch this play out a while longer. >> let me also say a word to the leadership of the democratic party. it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. the other option for the democratic party which i see as a sad and tragic option is the truce to maintain status quo structure remain dependent on big money contributions. and be a party with limited participation and limited
energy. it is literally a right wing extremist party. i am from the working class of this country and i will be damned if we will allow the republican party whose job is to represent the rich and the powerful to win the votes of working class americans. >> that's nothing short of extraordinary this late in the campaign here we are may 18. he's in effect declaring war on the democratic party that declared war on him from the beginning. the system was rigged in iowa. the debate structure was rigged,
this entire process has been rigged. the democrats have been -- bernie sanders unlike most people get rolled over is standing up and fighting back. >> not only is he fighting back but getting angrier and angrier in public and public displays like that basically accusing hillary clinton of being a low energy candidate, well funded by big donors. he has attracted thousands. >> look at the crowd. >> huge crowds. but this is on hillary clinton. this is not on bernie sanders. this is who bernie sanders is and always has been in a sense. it is the clinton's campaign inability weeks ago to define him and beat him. >> the irony is she spent most of the campaign musk closer and closer to him. and yet there is no way she be
get all the way there because he and his supporters see her type as fundamentalry corrupt and not the type of change they want. >> and the worst of both worlds. she is trying to get closer to bernie sanders. as she tries to get closer, tries to reach out getting angrier and angrier. nevada this past weekend did something that snuck up on all of us just the ugliness of that. this is a real war i would say within the democratic party. a lot of the people aren't democrats. they are independents. >> that was part of his problem in kentucky was closed primary. he won in places where it is open and independents can vote for him. he has done not well in closed primaries. that nevada situation was extraordinary not just what happened in las vegas where you had sanders supporters throwing
chairs. his response yesterday where the democratic party expected him to condemn everything that happened there. he said i condemn the violence but i will not go back on what i said which is that this process is rigged. the reason they are upset i support. a lot of people thought he was going to -- >> bernie doubled down. >> in his statement yesterday. he is getting it not just from the democratic party. media is starting to coalesce with hillary clinton. does bernie sanders want to be the ralph nadir of 2016. he writes it is no longer accurate to -- a few weeks ago i wrote that i wasn't concerned about sanders remaining in the race until the ver end because he doesn't wish to see a president trump. sanders has lightened up on clinton and trying to shape the
democrats platform and direction. attacks on the party have released something just as damaging to the causes he professes to represent coupled with refusal to raise money for the party his rhetoric could hurt democrats in november and beyaupd. >> this is what happened between the republicans and donald trump. the democratic party did not take him seriously. they rigged the game with the debates. i said something crude on the air in terms of how i think the party handled this. >> and they rigged it from the beginning. i remember as they were still counting votes in the early morning after the first contest the caucus contest, the democratic party of iowa declares hillary the winner well before they were ready to do it. that was the first sign. most journalists i talked to said bernie probably won that
but we will never know because the democratic party rigged it. that is what sanders has been living with. i want to say, though, dana millbanks comparison to ralph nadir is way off. ralph nadir ralph nadir got 2%. >> not taking it seriously. >> bernie sanders has started a revolution. >> he is a serious candidate. >> bernie sanders if he wanted to run as an independent candidate and if there was a counter veiling independent on the republican side like a ben sass or somebody else bernie sanders could be elected president of the united states as an independent. he could be the first independent elected if there were counter veiling republican like ben sassir or mitt romney on the other side. he could win. he is never going to get what he needs from the democratic party
so you wonder with the massive crowds why doesn't he take this political revolution all the way to november? >> it doesn't look like he is not. >> he's got the money. >> he has ballot access in almost every state with the exception of texas. this thing now to me has echoes of 1980 kennedy versus carter which was intensely personal. i mean, they really disliked each other as the campaign ensu ensued. you get the sense from watching bernie sanders, the angrier he gets and he has far more people with him than ted kennedy had. >> i don't see it. depends on how you define personal. i see donald trump getting personal with members of the press or other candidates. i see bernie sanders as getting
incredibly passionate about important issues that are personal to the middle class. i don't see him going after hillary in an ugly way. >> i think what has become personal is the way the clinton campaign and dnc perhaps more than we have seen publically but have not had rules that were fair. that i think has made both jane and bernie sanders feel like you have to give us a chance. it has to be a democratic system. >> they are trying to stand up for what they believe. >> and i have said this from the beginning, too. the democrats rigged the system from the very start before the first vote is counted with superdelegates where you are saying we do not trust the people. >> don't take bernie seriously. >> we do not trust the will of the people so we will have our most powerful party insiders get a vote and be superdelegates so they can be a counter balance against those ruffians that are
going out and voting for people like bernie sanders that really don't fit into the box. you have superdelegates and the debate process was clearly rigged from the start. >> the statement about what happened in las vegas ticks through things you just said. he goes by one by one saying here is how the system has been rigged and how it has been unfair to me. >> as we mentioned bernie sanders and the dnc are at odds over the chaos that broke out this past weekend. sanders supporters reportedly threw chairs and booed senator boxer. >> that when you boo me you are booing bernie sanders. go ahead. >> she couldn't finish her speech. >> they threatened the pro-clinton state chair woman in a state over delegates when the
nevada state party accused the sanders campaign for pension for violence. sanders at first didn't respond. >> this past weekend was the nevada conventions. do you have reaction to that? >> i talked to him a few minutes ago. he and i had a long conversation. he said that he condemns that. i'm confident he does. i'm confident he will be saying something about it soon. this is a test of leadership as we know. i'm hopeful and confident that the senator sanders will do the right thing. >> what's the right thing? >> i'm not picking on harry reid, but harry reid boistered in the safety of the united states senate chambers and contrast that picture with a picture of those democrats out there kind of like when trump was running and you would see mitch mcconnell or somebody else inside the senate chambers
brushing away and -- >> what did he mean by that? >> con demnation of the violence and threats and not a statement of -- it is one of the most remarkable moments of the campaign. that was a statement that was like it is bad but here is our list of complaints. still ahead on "morning joe," new efforts to soften donald trump's image as he readies for the general election. he and megyn kelly make peace. what happened to robert levinson in iran? ♪ because at banquet we believe that every dollar should work as hard as the family that earned it. that's why we're making our meals better. like using 100% natural chicken breast in our chicken strips
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nominee donald trump easily won the state. ted cruz and john kasich managed to get 17 and 16 each. >> that's pretty good. >> nbc news awarred them each two delegates. donald trump is seeking to recalibrate his image. did he say that? >> yes. >> he told the "washington post" that he might begin explaining past controversies at speeches as they are being raised in new attack ads from hillary clinton and allied groups. and the post says trump launched into a defense of wild arm movements he makes while criticizing a "new york times" reporter. from the article i would never say anything bad about a person who has a disability trump said. i swear to you it is true. who would do that to the
handicapped? >> what about this strategy? >> i predict it will not be fully enacted. [ laughter ] i think people will tell him spending the next few weeks defending himself is probably not the best idea. it is the case that press has extraordinary skepticism about his position on a lot of these things. he would probably be better off telling the truth about them. i don't this can he will spend a lot of time doing this. >> that was just sort of -- >> he says stuff. >> stray thought. what's my saying about politics? >> like going 90 miles per hour. >> nobody stops when you are going 90 miles per hour. when he stops and explains he loses. so whoever came up with that idea they need to just put that back into a box. >> meanwhile, the much
anticipated interview between donald trump and megyn kelly aired last night. their feud ended in a sit down interview in which he chose a softer side. >> has anyone ever hurt you emotionally? >> i think the big thing would be maybe the death of my brother. that was the hardest thing for me to take. that was very tough. >> has it happened that somebody has done something to you, not a death in the family, but has done something to you to wound you? >> i can say this. it would be something i can certainly think about and come back with. i will say this. when i am wounded i go after people hard. i try to unwound myself. >> you had said publically you thought the retweet about heidi cruz was a mistake. >> i said i could have done
without it. i could have done without it. >> you said a mistake. >> i'm not walking it back. i didn't say it that way. i said i could have done without it. >> it was a mistake, wasn't it? >> i wish i didn't do it. i guess you can say she is fair game because she is very much involved with the campaign. >> a list of a couple. the comment about john mccain? you refer people who weren't captured. the comment about carly fiorina's face. do you regret those comments? >> i guess so, but you have to go forward. you make a mistake and go forward and you can correct the mistake. to look back and say i wish i didn't do this or that, i don't think that is good. i don't think that is healthy. >> when you look back on the past nine months from that first debate to now, any regrets? >> absolutely i have regrets. i don't this can i want to
discuss what the regrets are. absolutely i could have done certain things differently. i could have used different language in a couple of instances. overall i feel i have to be happy with the outcome. i think if i didn't conduct myself in the way i have done it i don't think i would have been successful. >> willie, when i'm looking at that you know what i think. i think barbara walters, richard prior interview after he burned himself. that was -- >> what did he say? he says that is it. well done and they all lived happily ever after. let's see how the movement does in oregon where he won. >> the movement. >> happily ever after. >> much better than a sad exclamation point. the view from the trail.
hallie jackson, kristin welker and kasie hunt join us. how the republican contenders is focussing on security moms, the same group that helped keep george w. bush in the white house. here is bill karens. >> one of them i always wanted to see and that is a meteor. i have seen shooting stars but never saw a big one that lit up the sky like this from portland, maine yesterday morning. that was spotted all the way down as far south as maryland. how about this? this is from monday. this is a top of mt. washington in new hampshire. these two gentlemen decided to have fun in the wind. 110 miles per hour winds. one of the windiest spots in the world when the big storms come up the east coast. heavy rain yesterday in florida. once again gloomy.
storms in texas. you have shower west texas and more dreary weather. next three days rain is down here. let's talk about the cool weather. we have been very chilly in may from ohio valley. d.c. is 14 degrees below average. your normal high should be 80 degrees. you have yet to hit 80 so far. last year we had a 90 degree day by this time. later this week saturday is cool. 65, cleveland 66. cool air, clouds and another storm to bring rain to the mid atlantic states. thankfully next week things begin to improve. notice we get to 80s in west virginia. new york city 70s. d.c. chance to get to mid 70s. chicago threatening up near 80 degrees. maybe the end of may can make up for the cool and dreary first half of may throughout much of the northern half of the east. you are watching "morning joe" new york city trying to break out with a little bit of
to convince amish people to vote for donald trump. those people are like we are not amish. we just got rid of our tvs so we can stop hearing about donald trump. >> let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent kristin welker live at clinton campaign headquarters in brooklyn. hillary clinton less than 100 delegates from the magic number and yet bernie sanders seems to only be upping the rhetoric. how are they handling all of this? >> reporter: i don't think they are surprised by what they heard from bernie sanders last night in california. he was fired up. he said he is going to stay in this race until the end. having said that, there is a growing frustration in their voices when you talk to them about his rhetoric, about his posture, what he is saying not only about secretary clinton but accusations that the party is somehow rigged and the process is somehow rigged. the question is how does this get resolved? can the party unify with the
convention two months away. the sense is that it is up to senator sanders to take the first few steps towards unifying the party. of course, that is really not going to happen until votes are cast particularly after california weighs in. this has been a theme within the clinton campaign going back a little while now. if you look back at statements made by communications director who after that big win in new york called on senator sanders to scale back his rhetoric this is something they have been calling for. they are trying to strike an optimistic note saying look at 2008. that was a hotly contested primary and ultimately democrats unified. one official told me just recently that they believe it is easier for the democrats to unify than the republicans. but back in 2008 you didn't see the type of unrest that we saw over the weekend at the democratic convention in nevada.
this is a challenge for democrats and president obama could be the linchpin in ultimately unifying the party and getting these candidates to work together. >> kristin welker thank you very much. let's turn to our political round table. joining the table nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. overnight a fundraising agreement was revealed between donald trump and republican national committee. business men will solicit larger checks than any in history. after a primary in which he rejected big donations the trump victory fund, joint committee can take the record-setting amounts because of its size. annual contributions to the trump fund are capped at just north of 449,000. that is 93,000 more than hillary victory fund. a joint committee whose limit is 356,000.
this is all very complicated. some of these funds go to the campaigns and the national committees. much of it goes to state parties and other candidates. trump's first fundraiser takes place next week in los angeles. that is something he will navigate. usually that would be difficult for a politician to navigate. think trump will have a problem translating this? >> probably not. he said i self fund raise. people love that. i am self funding my campaign. what he has said is to beat hillary clinton this is a very expensive general election campaign. >> they cancel each other out. >> he is not running against people who aren't self funding. there was a contrast between him and the rest of the republican field on this topic. >> he hired a pollster. how many elements of maybe foreshadowing mainstream trump
campaign are there out there? >> a lot of them. he hired a pollster. he is professionalizing his campaign. she's got 800 staffers or some number and trying to play catch up. that is a headline. hillary clinton we talked about this last night. she has had her joint funding agreement in place since august of 2015. for almost a year now she has had this in place. donald trump is just now starting his with the rnc. all of it is about playing catch up. can he do it quickly enough to make a difference for the republicans? >> on the democratic side it is an advantage but there is growing frustration with bernie sanders refusing to raise money for the democratic party. they are missing pieces, too. it's not like everything is totally -- >> both sides are fascinating right now. also yesterday donald trump filed his 104-page personal financial disclosure.
his second of the campaign in a statement trump said he is proud to say his is the largest in the history of federal elections. and claimed an income in excess $557 million last year and says his net worth has increased since last month's filing. hillary clinton released her personal financial disclosure form last night showing income of at least $6.5 million. she went a step further than donald trump by releasing a copy of her form along with the statement on the presumptive republican nominee's disclosure calling it no break through for transparency. the true test for donald trump is whether he will adhere to the president followed by every presidential candidate in the modern era and make his tax returns available as hillary clinton has done. her disclosure showed about 1.5 million from six paid speeches
in 2015 all given before declaring her presidential run as well as roughly $5 million in book royalties. former president bill clinton disclosed earning a small amount from book royalties and $5.52 million from paid speeches, 11 delivered after his wife announced her intent to run for president. >> it is comforting to understand and realize that neither mr. trump nor mrs. clinton have been victimized. >> is there an argument for them to have? i feel like one says something about tax returns, the other can say -- >> i am surprised that bill clinton has the selection of groups that bill clinton has been speaking to since his wife announced. one to private equity firm and another to health insurance lobby. there were a couple of things
that i feel like are potential going forward. >> let's bring in from washington correspondent for "time" magazine. your latest piece examines donald trump's strategy to win over so-called security moms. you write i know these people. my best friend is a security mom. she was in the voting booth holding her baby and did what she did. in 2004 george w. bush won reelection by mitigating the loss of the women's vote to democratic john kerry. he did this by scaring security moms. not to change horses mid war. in 2016 donald trump is employing a similar strategy with women on steroids. trump's approach to female voters is one of hypermasculinization. he portrays himself as strong and opponents weak. that tactic worked among
republican women particularly the end of the primary season. will it work against hillary clinton? likely the first female nominee of either major party. i think it is different with hillary clinton because she is kind of like a war hawk in some ways. i hate to use that word. that's not the right word. her policies are not that soft. >> she certainly is more hawkish than donald trump is. the neocons reviled donald trump for being an isolationist. a lot are seriously considering voting for hillary. and so she certainly is by comparison a lot more hawkish than donald trump. when you are trying to make the case that you are the strong protector of women, you are the one who should turn to in order
to protect the country, that case is harder to make when you are running against a woman, a woman who is a lot more hawkish than you are on military issues. >> let me ask the three of you beginning here in new york and then to you. you have all been reporting on this campaign. is this perhaps the year when trump and mrs. clinton will be going after economic security moms? not national security moms, economic security moms. >> i think that is a core part of donald trump's message to everybody and to women. i think that it is resonating in a way with a certain segment of republican women. the other problem for donald trump when it comes to anytime you talk about moms whether economic security moms or national security moms are comments made that we talked about. that is a challenge for him. >> i do think one thing that stuck out to me in bernie
sanders speech was when he ratcheted up rhetoric on trump and republicans. he said i will be damned if i let working families vote for a republican implying donald trump. i think that's telling. i think that this is going to be the central battle ground over economic security. i will say i did a mini focus group with virginia with republican women. this was a question on which they were split. the one woman who was still undecided about whether to vote for hillary clinton or donald trump said the one reason i am on the fence is because of foreign policy because i feel donald trump is much stronger and the current administration has done nothing to fight isis. that was her take away. >> jay, hillary clinton does embrace the obama legacy. >> absolutely. she embraces it strongly. often people say she is much more hawkish than barack obama was. she pushed him to get involved
in libya. she wished he had gotten more involved with syria much more early on. so it is something that donald trump has to contend with in the sense that his foreign policy is something that everybody has written about as not being substantial enough, not understanding the country enough. this morning he was asked did you go to iraq. he said i have never been to iraq. he hasn't had experience of running wars or running this kind of military operations. so can he be commander in chief? bob gates basically expressed enormous amounts of concern about whether donald trump has chops to be commander in chief. that is his big challenge here especially with security moms. >> thank you for that segue to a tease. bob gates will be our guest on "morning joe" tomorrow. thank you very much.
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iran has reached deep as we work to locate robert levinson missing for more than eight years. as we rejoice in the safe return of others we will never forget about bob. each and every day but especially today our hearts are with the levinson family and will not rest until their family is whole again. >> earlier this year five american prisoners were released by iran. rob rlt levinson was not one of them. he disappeared in that country nine years ago. despite the obama administration's new overtures he remains unaccounted for. joining us now is author of the
new book "the missing man." eugene robinson is back at the table, as well. >> he is a forgotten man. forgotten by our government. the family has been desperately trying to get his name back out there. thank you for writing this book. they feel betrayed by the obama administration. >> they do. at the time of the prisoner exchange the obama administration didn't call them up and let them know what was happening. >> why not? >> you will have to ask them. this is an administration that knows a lot about the bob levinson case. they haven't released it to the public. i think they owe the public an explanation and the family an explanation of the involvement of iran. >> is it because the evidence suggests that he was a cia agent? >> he was a cia consultant and went to iran to collect information for the cia.
there is no evidence that they sent him there or ordered him to go there. i think we are encouraging him to collect information about iran. they knew he was traveling the world to do that. >> this sounds like a familiar story. william buckley in the '80s, another cia agent went to iran and was executed. >> folks disappear. it is a terrible tragic situation. we know a lot about this case. the fbi has investigated it for eight years. there is a lot of documents that were in bob's files that i reviewed in the course of writing the book that make it clear that there are people in iran that know about him, that know about what happened to him. >> is he alive? when is the last sighting that suggests -- at what point do we know he was still alive? >> we know he was alive in 2010 when the hostage video was released. there were photographs that came
out, also. since then there has been nothing. it has been six years. >> just looking, you are a two-time winner of the george polk award. you have written about pain medication, two major books on it. what drew you to this story? >> i picked up a copy of the financial times in 2007. i read an article about an american private eye who went to a part of iran supposedly to investigate cigarette smuggling. what drew me in was the fact that he was meeting a fugitive american assassin who escaped to iran after murdering an ex-aid to the shaw of iran in 1980. i thought this is interesting. i will go to dubai and iran. i will find out this fascinating story. i started calling up private investigators that investigated cigarette smuggling and told me
this is the craziest thing i ever heard. we never send a big white fbi agent with jewish last name to iran. we would send a local. i started unpeeling what is happening. >> what is the sense of lack of cooperation between the family and the state department and the white house when inquiries go in? >> over the last seven or eight years this family has done everything that the american government has asked them to do. they have lied about the reason why bob levinsohn went to iran. they shielded the american government and bob in every way possible. and they really haven't gotten the samepenness and honesty in return. in 2011 there was a meeting between the iranian ambassador to france and representatives of a religious organization in
which the ambassador admitted that iran was controlling bob levinson's fate. the government never told the levinson family about that. >> after doing the book, what do you think? do you think he is still alive? do you think he is in official custody? >> there is no doubt in my mind that the iranian government or elements of iranian intelligence controlled his fate. no one else would have had motive, resources, reasons to do so. i don't know whether he is still alive. what i do know is that whoever took him and held him is engaging in a type of cruelty that serves a purpose. >> we don't know if he is alive. the iranian government knows whether he is alive or not. there are people within iran within the religious hierarchy and intelligence hierarchy who know the answer to that
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. welcome back. it is time to talk about what we learned today. >> i learned that donald trump is not the sort of person who agonizes over the past and what -- i already knew that. >> i did learn that. >> i learned once again this is the future right here. >> where are you guys from? >> new jersey. >> they all want to be
journalists. do not do it. >> don't listen to her. do it. >> all right. i learned that she is the best. we love him but he hates us. steve kornacki. >> i will do the sweater thing again. >> this guy is a jerk. he picks up coverage right now. >> we start with steve kornacki right now! he is here. he is wearing a sweater. good morning. 174 days to go until election day. i'm steve kornacki here topping our agenda right now sanders defiant. the democratic nomination now all but out of reach for him. he doesn't sound like he is getting ready to unite. >> let me also say a word to the leadership