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good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. bernie sanders campaign manager lashing out at the head of the dnc, debbie wasserman schultz, accusing her of trying to pave the way for a clinton nomination. here's what he told steve kornacki less than an hour ago. >> the chairwoman of the democratic national committee, it's been pretty clear, steve, almost from the get-go that she has been working against bernie sanders. there's no doubt about it. >> it comes just hours after nbc declared clinton the apparent winner of the kentucky primary, denying sanders a sweep. that's despite her leading pie less than 2,000 votes. 2,000 out of 400,000 cast. sanders is showing no signs of getting out any time. he won oregon by a big margin and told a crowd of supporters that he's on track to win more states june 7th, including the biggest prize of all.
>> don't tell secretary clinton she might get nervous, i think we're going to win here in california. >> and we begin with steve kornacki and where the race stands. steve, good morning. good to see you. >> good morning, jose. you mentioned kentucky. this was a barn burner last night. you see hillary clinton sitting at about 2,000 votes ahead of bernie sanders. sanders had been leading if you were watching the returns all last night right till the very end. then what happened? the vote came in in louisville, the biggest city in the state. hillary's strongest county, one of her strongest counties in the state. she got a big margin there at the wire, just enough to put her ahead of bernie sanders, so she gets the win in kentucky it looks like. then take a look at the other contest a couple hours later. they had the mail-in votes come in out in oregon. bernie sanders puts up a win there. there is rounding here. basically it was a nine-point win for bernie sanders. they both got rounded up. the significance here in oregon
for sanders is he had not won a closed primary state, a state where only democrats can voechlt this is his first win there. so he does get the headline of a win. the problem for bernie sanders is this, the delegate math. he gets that win in oregon, he gets the narrow loss in kentucky. this is the column where he's trying to catch her. you see sanders, he wants to catch her in the pledged or allocated delegates. these are the ones you win in primaries and caucuses. the gap is 274. at the start of last night, what was it? it was 282 at the start of last night. so he gets a nice win in oregon, fights her to a draw in kentucky and what does he get for it? he gains eight delegates. he won eight last night. he's got to beat her by 274 just in these states. >> look at this number here, steve. >> here's the thing. if he gets solid wins in these states as we're expecting, he's going to have trouble in new jersey. we have a poll there that has him down 28 points. if he got a draw out of these places he'd be doing well there.
if you factor that in, to get the number he needs out of california, you're talking about needing like a 50-point win at this point. >> yeah, it's going to be tough. i want to take you back to kentucky a little bit. talk to me about just how close it actually was. you were talking just that final push by hillary clinton in that county, but it was very, very close. >> yeah, there were a couple interesting things that we saw, a couple of things to point out. first of all, this part of the state, eastern kentucky, this is rural, this is poor, this is heavily white. eight years ago hillary clinton was in the primary against barack obama in kentucky. she won in a landslide boy 35 points. a big reason was she was getting 80%, 90% of the vote in some of these counties down here. eight years later hillary clinton lost these counties by 40 or 50 points. >> do you think her comments on the coal hurt her right there? >> absoluteabsolutely. she was not going to do there to begin with because she has closely associated herself with barack obama. barack obama not popular even with democrats in kentucky.
but coal, make the comments she made, certainly didn't help. western kentucky, similar cultural characteristic. you're talking about rural, white, lower income. again, she did so well here eight years ago. this is like a mirror image. eight years ago barack obama won louisville. this time it wins the state for her. >> steve, it's always a pleasure. thank you very much, steve kornacki. i want to go to the clinton campaign headquarters in brooklyn, new york. kristen welker is there. democrats seem divided maybe more than ever before. what are you hearing about the campaigns? >> reporter: well, that's right, they are sharply divided, particularly after last night with secretary clinton having that narrow win in kentucky. senator sanders pulling off a big win in oregon but dangling the possibility of contesting those results in kentucky. today representatives from both campaigns trying to make the point to democrats that ultimately, ultimately they think that the party will unify, despite all of the unrest that
we saw over the weekend when sanders supporters accused the nevada state democratic party of promoting a rigged system. there was a lot of chaos there. senator sanders has denounced the violence but hasn't categorically said that his supporters were wrong in that instance. he's point the finger back at the dnc and the broader system. but today both sides trying to make the point that ultimately this will get resolved. take a listen to what they told steve kornacki earlier. >> there clearly are process issues i think that have to be resolved going forward to make the party more inclusive and open. do i think the party will come together to defeat donald trump? 100%. >> i really, strongly suspect that at the end of this process after the d.c. primary, both sides will come together. senator sanders will keep to his word and work like heck to defeat donald trump in the general election and a lot of this will look like it was much ado about interesting. >> reporter: again, it's really hard to see how that happens at this point. last night senator sanders campaigning in california,
vowing to fight on through the convention. but, jose, the reality is if secretary clinton pulls off a big win in california, that could be a very difficult case to make. the clinton campaign also pointing back to 2008 and a time when democrats unified after what was a very heated primary back then. of course the fight between senator clinton and then senator obama at the time. but the question remains how does this all happen? and they're looking to president obama, a lot of democratic insiders saying he could be the linchpin to ultimately unifying this party. >> kristen, thank you very much. now to the trump campaign. jacob rascon is in new york city outside the former secretary of state henry kissinger's office where we're expecting a meeting with donald trump today, jacob. >> reporter: it's become almost a rite of passage to meet with the former secretary of state, an elder statesman in the republican party. the 92-year-old former diplomat having his offices behind me. we're told that the meeting will
take place any time in the next few hours. nbc news has learned that kissinger and trump have spoken on the phone several times during the past few weeks but this will be the first face-to-face, something trump reached out and tried to coordinate this as he is trying to show that he can unify with the establishment wing of the party and show that he can step up to the challenge of a presidency. and this comes, of course, as some of the most controversial things trump has said are his foreign policy proposals or as he calls them now suggestions, starting points. of course the wall, the muslim ban and those things. he's also met last week with former secretary of state james baker as well again trying to show that he can step up to the challenge of unifying the party, showing that he can make good with the establishment folks. jose. >> jacob, the other headline today is donald trump and megyn kelly have apparently made up? >> reporter: yes. after this interview with megyn kelly, this is after nine to ten months of back and forth, really
on trump's hand. megyn kelly really didn't respond to any of it. trump called her crazy, called her a bimbo, he said he would boycott the show. last night they sat down for an interview. after the interview was done, trump tweeted and they lived happily ever after. this is a bit of what they said. >> bimbo? >> well, there was a retweet, yeah. did i say that? >> many times. >> okay. excuse me. over your life, megyn, you've been called a lot worse, wouldn't you say? you've had a life that's not been that easy. >> it's not about me. it's not about me, it's about the messaging to young girls and other women. >> you know, it's a modern day form of fighting back, it really is. >> are you going to stop that as president? >> well, i'm going to stop it about you now because i think i like our relationship right now, so i'm certainly not going to do it with you. >> reporter: so you can see he
almost seemed to apologize and then said, well, wait, not so fast. but in his eyes they lived happily ever after, jose. >> jacob rascon, thank you very much. i want to bring in erin mcpike and mckay coppin. erin, let me start with you, last night's results, did they change anything in the democratic race? >> no, not at all. we know that hillary clinton is going to clinch the nomination in early june. the clinton campaign is looking ahead to the general election. we're hearing from are a number of democratic strategists who are already looking at the data of clinton facing off against donald trump and they say we've got this, we have the data, it's looking good for us. they do need to start focusing on the general election because that's not quite true and we're going to see donald trump go into a number of states that the democrats aren't necessarily thinking about as competitive territory, so it is time for the clinton campaign to really focus ahead on that general election. >> and mckay, our own chris jansing was at the sanders rally last night. she said she's never heard a
crowd of his so fired up. here's part of it. >> let me also say a word to the leadership of the democratic party. >> we also heard sanders campaign manager accuse debbie wasserman schultz of actively working against his campaign, of working for hillary clinton. i mean this doesn't seem like a party that right now wants to hang out together. >> i think if you had told me at the beginning of this whole primary season that the democratic race at this stage of the race would actually be more contentious than the republicans, i wouldn't have believed you. look in, a way sanders and trump are both working from the same playbook. they're both campaigning against their own party's establishment. they both have gone through periods saying that the system is rigged. as you've seen, it's had a lot of appeal to kind of the
populist elements of their party and it's fueled their candidacies in a lot of ways. >> it seems as though a lot of people supporting trump are people that in the past haven't been actively involved in any political party. same with bernie sanders to a certain degree. so i'm wondering if those people, those people if they don't get a chance to support their candidate will turn out for the other person who gets it. >> right. well, i've heard that argument before, certainly the trump people want to say they'll get a lot of sanders supporters. i have a hard time believing that most of the people who show up at those sanders rallies, those massive rallies are going to show up and pull the lever for trump, although they do share some common ground on policy at least when it comes to trade. if that is your number one issue, he could pick off a few sanders voters. >> returning to trump, his daughter ivanka was on cbs this morning and talked about the rhetoric her father has been using on the campaign trail. listen to this for a bit. >> he has called women crazy, he's called them crooked, that's what he calls hillary clinton. he's even used the word bimbo.
do you ever look at those tweets and say, dad, you know, tone it down a bit? >> i've certainly thought that certain things should be toned down but not necessarily in relation to that. when i think about myself as a feminist, it's important that women are treated equally. >> trump is clearly trying to remake his image, talking to megyn kelly, trying to dial that back. do you think he's capable of dialing it back enough? >> i do think so. i think donald trump is a man who knows how to execute and really likes to win. i think we saw in that interview with megyn kelly last night that he's starting to take a slightly softer tone and showing some remorse. he's starting to meet with a lot of luminaries in the republican party. i think we'll see some incremental shifts going on in the next month or two. but i absolutely think that he can tone that down some. >> erin and mckay, thank you very much. in contrast to everybody else, i like you today and i'll like you tomorrow. thank you both. the republican convention kicks off exactly two months
from today. donald trump expecting to clinch his party's nomination there. but could efforts to stop trump derail his victory lap in cleveland? up next i'll speak to a republican congressman who once predicted a brass knuckle fight for delegates at the gop convention. plus, the transgender community gets an unlikely ally as the fight for transgender rights takes the national stage. republican congresswoman layton will be with me to talk about her very personal connection to the transgender community and her unyielding fight for transgender rights, ahead. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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party that is still hesitant about him. the republican national convention in cleveland now exactly two months away. wisconsin republican congressman sean duffy, who says he will be supporting trump, joins me this morning. congressman, it's a pleasure to see you. >> you too, jose. thanks for having me out. >> what have you heard about last week's meeting between speaker ryan and other top republicans about trump? >> i've heard what you've heard, which is it went really well. what i kind of view this as, the speaker and donald trump are kind of engaged but not married yet. engaged but it's going to happen in the not-too-distant future. as paul has said publicly, he wants to make sure that our standard bearer is going to bear our standards. i think donald trump will do that. there's been a little bit of misperception on where donald trump stands on issues and he can do a little better job of reaching out to the base and saying, hey, i'm going to fight for the ideas that you care about. let's all fight together and win in november. >> what are some of the issues
that you think he has been clear about and maybe there are misperceptions on. >> there was some movement or misunderstanding on taxes, on wages. there's been some concern about life to name a few. i think there's a misunderstanding on trade. paul ryan is a big free trade guy. donald trump, i think, also believes in trade but wants to make sure we have good trade deals. that's a setup for unifying around good trade deals that advance our economy. >> ryan was gaall gung-ho on tp right? >> i think he was negotiating a pretty good deal. but doing it in a way to make sure we protect american businesses but expand our markets overseas. >> congressman, i want to take you to puerto rico, i know you've been very involved in this. there's a bill in the house that deals with puerto rico. puerto rico has a huge crisis. you know this. we've talked about it a lot. it is a crisis that is not going away and people, real people are suffering. what's going on on capitol hill? >> so you know that puerto rico has $73 billion in debt.
they have borrowed and spent and lived beyond their means and now it's had a huge impact on their economy. 45% of puerto ricans, jose, as you know live in poverty. this is a real problem. they can't pay their bills. so congress is going to act. we're just at the fine tuning stages of a bill that might come out today or tomorrow. what we want to do is allow puerto rico to restructure their debt with their bondholders, do it amicably, negotiate it. >> no bankruptcy? >> no bankruptcy and no bailouts, by the way. but we've got to get fiscal control. the elected politicians on the island haven't been able to do the tough things to get the finances in order so we're going to put a control board in to work with the island government to make sure they get their finances under control. >> made up of who, congressman? >> for the most part four members appointed by the house and the senate. republicans. and then one by the senate and
house democrats and one by the president. so seven people. at least one with puerto rican interests or -- business interests or citizenship on the island. but this is going to look out to not only resolve the debt issue but if you're going to deal with it, you have to grow the economy and put people back to work. so i think this is a long-term solution that both parties have been coming together on that i think will work for puerto rico. now, the problem has been just the finer points of this bill taken longer than i would like. >> and you're saying it could be today, could be tomorrow? >> could be, yeah. we're working on the final points with the administration. my hope is this week. >> we'll have you back on because i want to talk about this. thank you very much, congressman. appreciate your time. coming up, how the fight for transgender rights has become a personal cause for a prominent republican congresswoman. she will join me with her son to talk about their family's advocacy for the transgender community. we'll speak with them right
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the political fight over lgbt rights is reaching a boiling part across the country. protests continue after north carolina approved hb 2 referred to as the bathroom law. it requires transgender people to use public bathrooms that match the gender on their birth certificate. the lgbt community calls it blatant discrimination. now the state and federal government are suing each other over the measure. last week the fight reached new heights when the white house issued guidelines directing public schools to allow students to use bathrooms matching their gender identity. a majority of parents oppose the directive, many believing it puts their child at risk, but now one prominent republican is going against the party and conservatives to support a member of her family. ileana ros-lehtinen was the first hispanic woman elected to congress when she won a seat in 1989. now she's the first lawmaker with a transgender child and she's appearing in new tv ads in
both english and spanish with her husband and their son. [ speaking spanish ] >> family is about acceptance and love. all of our children should have the opportunity to work hard, earn a living and take responsibility for their lives on the same terms as everyone else. >> joining me now from capitol hill is republican congresswoman ileana ros-lehtinen from florida along with her son rodrigo. thank you both for being with me. >> good morning. >> thanks for having us. >> congresswoman, when rodrigo told you he was transgender, you didn't hesitate for a minute. you immediately showed your love toward him. what was it about your son that made that decision so easy for you. >> well, i don't want to sugar coat it. you put a nice mary poppins tone to it. actually we were quite shocked but this message that we taped
with save is about love and acceptance. dexter and i understood that family is everything and so we did not hesitate to accept rigo. we loved him when he was born. he was born amanda michelle, now he's rodrigo, but it's the same child with the same hopes, aspirations and dreams as any other child. i hope that that message that we did with save transcends all of that divisive rhetoric that we heard in the beginning of your spot with the protests and angry words. i want rigo to have a safe environment. i want him to fulfill his dreams and i think that's what every parent wants for their child. >> rodrigo, how difficult was that moment or those moments when you talked about this with your folks? >> well, i was very scared when i was first telling my parents that i was transgender. i've been very fortunate that my family is very loving and were always clear with me that that love was unconditional. and yet our society is so
hostile towards transgender people that i nevertheless was still terrified to tell them. i had even back epacked a bag a ready to live outside the home in case i wasn't welcome back. i've been very fortunate that my parents were unequivocal. they said we might have questions, we might not understand yet but that does not mean you're not our child. family is family, no matter what. unfortunately, that's uncommon. almost 60% of transgender people are kicked out of their homes and rejected by their family, which is heart breaking so that's why we filmed this message with save so more people like myself can be met with acceptance, met with love and is not kicked out of his home. >> he might be kicked out but that's for other reasons. he's still not cleaning up his room. he might be 30 but he's still a slob. >> that's a problem all parents have for all different reasons. congresswoman, when you hear your son say that he was so concerned that he actually packed a bag, tell me how as a mother that feels when you hear that.
>> well, i think that that's an important message for all parents, because maybe they're dealing with their child who's scared to come out as gay or lesbian or transgender and just think about how fearful that world is for rodrigo and other people like him. and when you hear all of this -- all of these bills that are being filed and you think, wow, i'm going to be rejected at home, i'm going to be rejected -- i'm going to lose my job, i'm not going to be safe at school, and that's what our save message is all about. it's love, acceptance and family. and it's tough. it's tough for these individuals, whatever they are, to come out to their parents, even in nonjudgmental environment. so it's a tough world. anyone who thinks, oh, yeah, these guys are just trying to show off and that's not -- they're just playing around, hey, this is real. as rigo said, those statistics, jose, those are alarming. any parent should be worried about that. >> rodrigo, i want to take you to what your mother was just
saying. some opponents of lgbt rights use loaded words to describe trans people, child molesters and predators. first of all, how do you describe the community and how does it make you feel when that's the discussion that a lot of people are having? >> well, the transgender community, we're really just people like anybody else. we're part of this community, we're people's neighbors, co-workers, family members, every single transgender person is a part of someone's family so that kind of divisive rhetoric is alarming and only serves to push us even further into the shadows. bills like that make people like me even less safe and it hurts our families as well. no parent wants to worry about their child's safety. no one wants to worry about being harassed or abused or worried that their brother or sister is going to be harassed or abused. those are the consequences of that kind of rhetoric and that's why we're here to say transgender people are just people and this message is about just remembering, hey, family is
family. >> both of you as members of the latino community, it's also important that you're doing this in spanish as well. >> that's right, because there's this common belief that like all stereotypes is wrong that the hispanic community is less accepting of the lgbt community and that they are going to be more hostile and going to be more violent. the hispanic community is like all communities. there's some good folks and some bad folks, it has nothing to do with their ethnicity. but we want to build up a culture of acceptance and love and tolerance among all communities and that's why this messa message is muy portante. >> congresswoman, i asked you if you would be supporting trump
and you told me under no circumstances is he going to be the nominee. let's go forward till today. are you going to be supporting donald trump as a republican nominee? >> no, i'm not. who would have ever thought when i did that interview that talking about having a transgender son would be more comfortable than saying i'm not going to support my republican party nominee. because -- i respect everybody's right to vote for whoever they want to vote for and he is going to be the nominee. i'm not going to support him nor hillary clinton. i expected jeb bush to be our nominee. i expected marco rubio to be our nominee. that did not happen. i was with both of those at different times. but maybe i'll write in marco rubio's name because he did so well in my congressional district and he really swept it. so -- >> you will not be voting for donald trump. >> no. and now i want to talk more about having a transsexual son.
more comfortable. just kidding. >> i appreciate both of you being with me. you guys are really -- the message that you're giving us is an important one. i am so happy that you're doing it in english and in spanish and thank you for being with me today. >> we love you. thank you, jose. coming up, chaos at the nation's busiest airport. security screening lines lasting for hours, causing hundreds to miss their flights. what's being done about it? i'm going to talk about that next. first, just after her 90th birthday, britain's queen elizabeth made her annual appearance at the state opening of parliament this morning to preview the government's plans for the next year. >> my lords and members of the house of commons, my government will use the opportunity of a strengthening economy to deliver security for working people, to increase life chances for the most disadvantaged, and to strengthen national defenses. i pray that the blessing of
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help is on the way to chicago's o'hare airport now that the tsa is flooding it with extra staff after hundreds of passengers were stranded and missed flights because of hours-long lines at security screenings. nbc's blake mccoy and tom costello are at o'hare. blake, good morning. what are the lines there like this morning? >> good morning to you. a pleasant surprise for passengers who were told to arrive here three hours early today. that is the extent of the line. it's only about a ten-minute wait right now. passengers are going, what? why am i here three hours early? things are much, much better than they were over the weekend. there is still a lot of concern going into this weekend when we get back to peak travel times as well as towards the summer. on an average day this summer, 2.5 million people are expected to fly. that is 100,000 more people than the average day last summer, so we're expecting to see a huge
increase and the question is can the system handle that kind of increase. joining me right now is our transportation correspondent with nbc, tom costello. tom, there's been a lot of talk about this. tsa it seems they have finally woken up to the problem and are doing something about it. what is tsa doing about it? >> well, they have a huge problem. this is not an easy problem. first of all, yesterday we had two of these tsa barricades, if you will, the gates down completely so that they couldn't even get people through. that's changing today. as you mentioned, jose, they're pushing about another 58 or so transportation screening officers, tsos, into the system. they're adding dog teams as well. listen, they get it, they know they have a problem nationwide. in the last 12 to 24 hours, we've heard top administration officials talking about their response. >> we've got a reprogramming request through congress, we're evaluating whether more is necessary with omb and we're going to keep at this for the summer because i agree, no one
should have to wait three hours for a flight or for that matter even two hours. >> we had a significant challenge in chicago yesterday. i don't know what that was. we're fixing that. that's of great concern to me. i always tell people i want to apologize for doing our job well, but i do apologize to the people who found themselves stranded in chicago. >> that's the tsa chief, who is on his way to o'hare. he will be here to evaluate the situation on friday. jose, something interesting happened in the last 12 hours or so. the secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson, said the airlines need to consider dropping baggage fees so that you could speed people along sooner. as a result, people wouldn't be trying to carry on everything. that's a nonstarter with the airlines. they have already said no, no, no, we're not dropping the baggage fees. the tsa has the problem, they need to work on the solution. this has been elevated. now you've got the secretary of
homeland security doing that. this may become something that perk lats over the coming days and weeks as we head into a very rough travel season for the summer. >> tom, i'm just wondering because o'hare is if not the busiest, top two or three busiest airports in the country. what happened in these last couple of days that caused these massive backlogs that didn't happen a week ago or two or three weeks ago? >> well, the problem the tsa has at major airports across the country is they don't have enough staff. they don't have enough for a typical day. if you then hit them with a heavy travel day, they really are understaffed. and then you've got on top of that the record travelers. and then you've got people quitting on the job. 100 tsos, transportation screening officers, quitting every week nationwide. so when all of that comes together in a perfect storm, i hate the analogy, but that's what you had on sunday and that's what you're having across the country. it's not just one or two things, it is multiple things happening and this -- this tsa simply isn't equipped to deal with it.
they're understaffed by somewhere between 4500 and 6,000 screeners since their peak staffing levels a few years ago. and now they have a massive influx of passengers. they're trying to staff up as fast as they can but they also have serious morale problems across the entire system. >> and summer is just around the corner. tom costello, blake mccoy, thank you both for being with me this morning. thanks. one major factor in november's general election will be the youth vote. a group that appears to be overwhelmingly favoring hillary clinton in a head-to-head matchup against donald trump. a recent poll shows 61% of voters under 30 say they would vote for clinton in november, while 25% choose trump. msnbc's jacob soboroff is live at ohio state university in columbus and spoke to some of those younger voters supporting trump. jacob, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose. you know that poll you mentioned is very interesting because a year ago, that poll only had a 15% difference between republicans and democrats. now, as you said, it's a 36-point difference, something that's very worrying for the republican party.
the question is, is it because of the donald trump campaign? young people are largely progressive and maybe moving away from the republican party because of donald trump. but that does not stop a small group called students for trump, which is unaffiliated with the campaign, from advocating on behalf of the businessman. i came here to the crucial swing state of ohio to meet some of them. if you look at the numbers, young people are identifying with democrats more than republicans, something that is probably troubling for the gop, but don't believe the numbers if you listen to students for trump. >> obvioly when you think of college right now in terms of the election, you think of bernie sanders. and a lot of people are starting to realize that those two campaigns run fairly parallel in terms of what they want to do. >> i think a lot of the bernie people do not feel good about hillary clinton and they're going to switch over to trump come the general election. >> how come? why do people think that way? >> i think people don't trust the establishment. they see the big money and big banks on wall street funding and supporting these candidates. >> he kind of -- he speaks to everyone, not just republicans and not just democrats. he appeals to a very wide base
of people, which i think will help him in a general election matchup. >> what's it going to feel like to punch the ballot for donald trump in the general election for you guys? >> i think it's going to feel great because we know that our votes will go towards him winning ohio. if he gets ohio, he'll be in the white house in january. >> that's what's so important. if you guys can convince enough young people to go for donald trump in the state, it could go a long way towards winning this swing state. do you think you can do it? >> absolutely. >> do you think you can do it right now? let me put you to the test. how about we go talk to some people. any interest in donald trump? >> no. >> no? >> no interest. >> let these guys make a pitch. >> any policies you specifically care about? >> yeah. i'm catholic and pro-life and i don't get that vibe from trump. >> did you vote in the primary? >> i did. i was in support of john kasich. >> i'm jacob. >> i'm nyla. >> i'm jacob, nice to meet you. do you want to give a pitch. >> i do like the keyboard. first off, i really like that
american flag. >> amazing. >> there's just a lot of things that he says that i just don't agree with. >> like policywise or personalitywise? >> all of the above. >> all of the above. >> all of the above. >> you see yourself as possibly one day supporting donald trump or no? >> probably not. >> probably not. here's a never trump. have you picked who you're going to go for yet? >> yes. >> who are you going for? >> trump. >> no convincing necessary. any issues that you're voting for him on or you just like him as a candidate. >> i definitely don't want hillary clinton in the presidency so definitely him. >> you're a #neverclinton. >> yes, definite low. >> you guys, that was easy. you didn't have to do any work. >> fascinating work to put those students to the test to see if they could recruit their fellow students. on the conservative side, interesting because they were morally opposed to the donald trump campaign and the liberals on the grounds of tolerance and inclusion they didn't like
donald trump. so here in ohio an because there are over 80 million young voters in the country, it is very important for those young folks, those three students for trump, to bring people to his side to win this swing state. but they have a lot of time to do it and we'll see what happens. >> jacob, thank you very much for being with me this morning. coming up, what did o.j. simpson whisper to his attorney after jurors delivered a not guilty verdict in his 1995 murder trial? for the first time, robert shapiro shares publicly what his client told him, what he said after the break. ♪
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facebook ceo mark zuckerberg will be meeting with a number of conservative leaders today. it comes in response to allegations that employees routinely suppressed conservative stories from the influential trending news section. steve patterson joins me from menlo park, california. steve, good morning. what can we expect from this meeting today? >> reporter: good morning, jose. well, the olive branch that was extended by mark zuckerberg and
the facebook team largely expected to be accepted by the conservative leadership that is going to come here today to meet with zuckerberg. we're expecting them to learn a little bit more about how this trending topics page works, so that's what we expect from the meeting later on today. but we've learned a whole lot more about how it works. just over the past week and a half of reporting because of what facebook has admitted, that the popular algorithm that takes bits and bites from different places in facebook, also kind of intersects with a separate news gathering aggregation process so we've learned a lot more about that and facebook has admitted that. also we're learning about how the curation process works. there's a small team like a small editorial board that curates these topics and decides what goes on top of the list and how that is put onto facebook as well. so at best, we're learning kind of that this is almost operated like a mainstream media
traditional print operation. at worst, the whistleblower is alleging that it's all part of a progressive political kind of conservative bent to push down and suppress those conservative news items and to bring up what they think is important. so that's what is at odds ahead of this meeting, those conservative leaders expected to meet at about 5:30 eastern and so obviously facebook has been very tight-lipped about what exactly will go on, but they're expected to learn a whole lot more about how the process works. back to you, jose. >> steve, do we know who these conservative leaders are? >> reporter: yeah, we know dana perino will be here, barry bennett from the trump campaign will be here and also glenn beck, who has said that this is an important process, that he believes that this platform obviously is powerful. we're talking about 1.5 billion people. of course i know them, you know them. these are people a lot of times that depend on facebook as their only source of news information.
so obviously it's a very powerful platform. but then there are people within their own conservative party that are saying that this is almost like groveling at the feet of zuckerberg, one meeting that will serve as a photo op will do nothing to bridge this issue. so there's kind of a rift within the conservative party about this as well. >> steve, thank you very much. good seeing you this morning. coming up, what o.j. simpson's attorney has to say about the fateful moment when his client was tried on those infamous gloves in his 1995 murder trial and what he told him after the news on the verdict. this is brad.
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moment and what o.j. whispered in his ear. ari melber is here. >> nice to see you, jose. >> 20 years ago, in october, right? >> it's an incredible trial and obviously it's been a long time. the old saying is those who know don't say and those who talk a lot don't know. well, robert shapiro is someone who has not talked a lot. he put together the dream team, he was the lead counsel. that was a dream team of lawyers with many famous disputes among them. and then for 20 years he never gave an interview about it, moved on in his life to many other things. now he does break his silence in this interview with megyn kelly. one of the most important moments he talks about you see up on the screen is what o.j. said to him at the end of the trial when they leader that not guilty verdict. let's take a listen. >> the judge asked, mr. shapiro, what's your position? your honor, we're ready for trial. looks at marcia clark and says call your first witness. and you could see the blood come
out of her face. and from that day on, i knew there would be no conviction. >> moments after the verdict, o.j. simpson leaned over and whispered something in your ear. what did he say? >> you had told me this would be the result from the beginning. you were right. >> now, that might sound somewhat self-serving, you were right, and a client basically giving props to his counsel, but that was a moment we'd never heard about either and goes to something we learned throughout the trial, which is o.j. simpson and robert shapiro did have a bumpy but strong relationship. >> how unusual is it for any conversation that someone has with an attorney, even if it's 20 years later, comes out in the public? >> very unusual. and almost anything you talk to your lawyer about is supposed to be privileged and confidential. >> he's still around, so -- >> he happens to be incarcerated. but even things that may seem small or minor. that goes to something that was
controversial throughout this trial, because his lawyers, who are supposed to have only his interest in mind, released that note that he wrote, some called a suicide note, others said it was not a suicide note, they released that and other things o.j. said or did but ultimately they would argue they got the right result because they vindicated their client. the other interesting sound is on that famous glove and that glove demonstration. let's look at that. >> i tried the glove on. it was a little bit wide in my palm and a little bit long in my fingers. o.j. simpson has enormous hands, and i knew that that glove would not fit him. >> really? >> wouldn't even be close. >> did you feel in that moment when you put your hand in the glove that you were trying on the glove of the person who murdered these two people? >> as you say it now, it is chilling, but i was looking for one thing and one thing only, the size of that glove. here's what i told o.j. simpson. i want you to walk as close to the jury as you can, hold up
your hand like you're holding the olympic torch and pull and tug on that glove because it will not fit, and clearly it didn't. >> that's some of the backstory. it was ultimately the prosecution, not the defense that put on that demonstration. you listen to robert shapiro and he'll tell you he did a great job. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. i'll see you tomorrow. our cosmetics line was a hit.
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