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party has begun between now and philadelphia. the question is whether it's likely nominee has the fight to lead it and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. hall in with chris hayes starts now. >> i came with up an idea that i would come up with a list of really really terrific acceptable judges. >> donald trump names a conservative dream team. >> that would be the biggest breaking news and i'm very serious about that. >> tonight a republican urging his party not to fall for the charm and how democrats plan to fight a candidate who will say anything. then. >> but he's not a groeper. >> more pushback on the new york times report on trump's treatment of woman. tonight one woman standing by her story joins me live. plus, assessing the damage of an ugly finish for democrats.
and why we've been here before. >> the last thing we need is somebody who gives up. and, laughing in the face of danger. >> i can't understand why everybody treats donald trump with kid gloves and then i realize they're the only gloves that will fit his stupid baby hands. >> my exclusive interview with larry philmore when all in starts now. good evening. what has been unthinkable in the past 11 months since donald trump first asended the escalator is finally coming to pass. donald trump is turning into a normal republican candidate. the evidence is everywhere you look in the past 72 hours as the presumptive nominee revamps his campaign for the election. less than a month ago trump was slamming the foreign policy establishment during his much anticipated address in washington. >> i also look and have to look
for talented experts with approaches and practical ideas rather than surrounding myself with those who have perfect resumes but very little to brag about except responsibility for a long history of failed policies and continued losses at war. we have to look to new people because many of the old people frankly don't know what they're doing, even though they may look awfully good writing in the new york city times or watching on television. >> today he was meeting with one of those old people, henry kissinger. the architect of some of the most disastrous agendas abroad. trump has touted his independence relying on his
instincts. >> i have much more money than all of them put together times ten times 20. i don't have a pollster. what do i need a pollster for? if the pollsters were any good they'd be doing what we're doing it. >> trump is, wait for it, hiring a pollster, but not just any pollster but a veteran pollster. perhaps the main rationale for trump's campaign all along, a major factor is a claim that he alone is not beholdened to the money interests corrupting u.s. politics. >> i'm self funding. i'm putting up my own money. i'm doing this. when i come up here, i come on my dime. when these other guys come up, they come up a whole different route. just so you understand they're totally controlled by the special interests, by the lobbyists. they're totally controlled by people that put up their money,
no good. we've had it. >> now, the self funding claim was never actually particularly true, but last night the trump campaign announced a joint fundraising agreement with the rnc allowing donors to make contributions up to almost $500,000 across 11 states and after defying a range of conservative orthodoxi from defending trade deals to planned parenthood and after recommending his sister to serve on the supreme court, today trump unvoiled a list of supreme court nominees a group as conservative as you would getting to get from ted cruz. it's almost as if trump and his team didn't have much do with choosing the people on the list. one of them has been mocking trump on twitter for months, including this one from last august, can't wait until trump waits off his face and reveals a laughing ginsburg. all this poses an interesting
choice for the opponents running against him. do they define trump as a republican on favored agenda items like raising taxes on the rich and installing anti-abortion justices or do they go after him as an unprepared candidate who poses a threat to the repubic. if the stakes weren't high enough a new fox news poll out today shows donald trump beating hillary clinton 45 to 42%. the same poll had her leading by 7 points a month ago. i'm joined now by charlie sykes, key member of one of the only successful stop trump coalitions in the country. you've written a letter to rein reince priebus. your job is to salvage the gop.
you need somehow to separate the fate of the trumpism or risk your party for a generation. why did you write the letter. >> first of all, i like reince priebus. reince priebus is a friend of mine. i want to urge him not to clown yourself like other people. there's a unique thing that happens to people that get drawn into the trump orbit. they are corrupted. reince priebus has to make it clear that republicanism isn't trumpism. i know a lot of guys in the establishment are thinking they can control donald trump or mold donald trump and i'm trying to warn them you are strapping yourself on to an unguided missile and i hope that reince priebus understood that was tough love. don't go there. you doint wan't want to spend tt six months saying people don't care about this or that because you don't know what you're getting. >> the man has won the nomination of the republican party. there is no way to disen tangle
trump. he's the republican party in the sense that he went out and won the votes and was decided to be the nominee for the party. >> yes, that's true. he has won the nomination and now there's a fight for the soul of the party. my point to reince priebus was you don't need to be the trump campaign. focus on the rest of the down ballot and make sure that the down ballot is not wiped out by this election, but also think long term. this is the party of ronald reagan. this is the party of abraham lincoln. we're renting it out to donald trump but you have to think long term. reince priebus is a wisconsin. he's a fellow cheese head like me and we talked this afternoon and i said this was tough love and he said i'm trying to walk the tightrope line here. i don't want to see other republicans making the same mistake, that march of shame. i don't want to see paul ryan doing that in six weeks.
>> that is well said. here's what's happening right now as far as i can tell, he is making these sort of strides towards party unity, he's going to repeal dodd frank and put out a list of supreme court picks including your wife. what is the resistance going to last? is everyone going to be making the march of shame? are you going to be back in five months telling me well actually trump. >> no, i cannot imagine this. by the way, that list of judges iso is outstanding, but the question conservatives have to ask themselves is that a promise or is that a suggestion because this is the last week we've seen donald trump walk back virtually everything he said. he is turning out to be a ka millon. how much faith are you going to put in these things?
i do not believe these things. >> do you have faith in your fellow members of the never trump movement that they won't be doing the march of shame because my favorite game is predicting when david brooks and george willow are going to write the trump columns. >> i'm having a hard time imagining those two guys doing that, but this has been a year of surprises so let's say i'm not putting all my chips on consistency there. i do think that what you're seeing is that donald trump is doing things that are necessary but not sufficient to win over some conservatives but you're only one tweet away, you are hostage to the next tweet so yes you want donald trump to be an adult but is he going do it? i don't know. >> character is prior to all of this. if you don't believe it's legitimate then you have no reason to embrace it. thanks for joining me. joining me now is a watch
dog for media matters of america. you are part of organizations that have connections to the clinton campaign. here is my question for you. when charlie gets this key point which is donald trump a republican. is he mitt romney? is he a different kind of billionaire than mitt romney but the same or is he some unique novel different kind of threat and that's a choice the clinton campaign is wrestling with right now. >> in terms of the republican party he's a complete alien. charlie had it right here's reince priebus going on the shows this week what about this article with donald trump and women and saying nobody cares about politicians and their women. this is the start of the republican party, bill clinton's sex life has been a corner stone for 20 years. this guy has to do the walk of shame. nobody cares. it's already started and it's beyond that.
he's overtaken the republican party. the people who run campaigns for the republican party probably aren't getting their phone calls returned and that's the panic. they have literally no idea what donald trump is going to do on a day to day hour by hour basis and he's trying to turn into mitt romney but it's going to blow up two days from now. >> the night that trump became the presumptive nominee, fundamentally our next president will need to keep our country safe and help families get ahead. trump is not prepared to do either. he lacks the temperament. he's too big a risk. this is sort of in the ballpark of the guy is a loose canynocan. clinton campaign wrestles with how to attack trump. they have not landed on a line of attack against him.
>> that's an opening call. this guy should not be president, we cannot trust him and they're going to take it from there. democra democrats are not going to sit back and say we're democrats and we're really not going to fight back. if he wants a fight there will be a fight, but there's -- >> there's a promise. >> they're not going to be spec taiters. it's not going to happen this time. >> the question becomes what train are you fighting onened a i think one thing i think that is interesting about watching him adopt some of this is that it's not particularly popular. the ryan budget was an albacross around their necks. the problem though is if you cannot predict what he actually stands for day to day, how do you run a campaign that's against him in any substantive sense? >> look, some of this is going to have to do with the press. poor al gore was tagged as a
liar for nine months because the press found some evidence that he exaggerated. this should be the call of the po pore trait of donald trump. he's a liar. that should be the center of the pore trait. we get he's a straight shooter. i think the clinton campaign will do what it has to do but some of the spokt responsibilitn the press to tell it like this is. if he can't tell the truth for more than three minutes at a time that should be part of the press coverage. >> the campaign will be through a prism of the press. >> i think there's a move to consolidating the nomination. >> there's usually a nomination bump. hillary clinton is still part of an ongoing primary so that will
be -- >> there's a lot of people at home that are feeling heart pal pa tashs. i'm saying it's the case. >> i would not dismiss any poll at this point but that said it's going to be a victory state by state. >> thanks. still to come the democratic divide gets fierce. are sanders supporters bernie or bust. i interviewed larry willmore. what it was like to work with donald trump for 20 years. i'm joined with barbara who trump is calling nasty after the break. we'll be back. pet moments are beautiful,
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about his history of hiring women including the woman he hired in 1980 to oversee the building of trump tower. she's picked here in a photo shoot showing trump with his arms around some of the women who worked for him. she was featured in that new york times story released this weekend on how trump behaved with women in private and the workplace. it's a story the trump campaign has been pushing back against hard since it was released including this morning when trump's daughter basted this morning. >> i found it to be disturbing based on the facts as i know them and obviously i very much know them both in the capacity as a daughter and in the capacity as an executive who has worked alongside of him at this company for over a decade. look i don't know every interaction my father has but he's not a groeper. i've known my father my whole
life and he has total respect for women. >> in the story barbara expressioned gratitude for hiring her over the objections of trump's father. she suggested trump was undually focussed on the atry buts of his employees. she said after gaining weight she endured a stinging comment about she liked her candy. yesterday trump lashed out suggesting she was ungrateful for what he had given her. i gave a woman a top new york construction job when that was unheard of and now she's nasty. it's a great pleasure to have you here. >> nice to meet you. >> let's start with you want to respond to him saying that you're nasty or you're not being grateful enough for him giving
you the job. >> he gave me the job but i earned my keep in spades. he made a lot of money off me so we're pretty even on that score. >> you in the article seem to have kind of a complicated feeling towards him. it seems like you changed your feeling over time and he changed over how he behaved towards women. >> yes, he behachanged how he behaved towards me and women. initially he was very reserved and later on he got a little different. he started acting a little bit like mache ao and he did the playboy shoot and all of a sudden he started talking about
women and he was leering at the women in the office. a lot of that had to do with ivana and their breakup because they were pretty close knit and she kept him under control. >> you think when he got out of the marriage he started to display more of a kind of object fiction of women. >> yes, absolutely. >> a fascinating quote to me. i know you're a woman in a man's world, a good woman is better than ten good men. he thought he was complimenting me. >> put it in context it was 1980 and things have changed since then and there was a general male choouf inch specially in the construction industry. not even ten years before woman had been barred at construction sites. so in the context of the times he was right that women were not
in the business and his thinking was that women would have to be smarter and work harder to be as good as the men. so a good woman was better than ten good men. he believed that. >> he felt like the obstacles he faced and if he could get more value out of as an employer. >> absolutely. >> you watched this campaign unfold. you've watched him talk about women in certain ways. where are you politically in terms of this campaign? is this someone you would vote for. >> no, he has to be stopped. >> you feel that way. >> yes, absolutely. >> you feel this person that you once -- this person that you once felt a kinship for and a person you worked on an important project with a person with whom you broke this important barrier, what you did was really momentumal you used the term he has to be stopped. >> i absolutely believe that, yes. >> why. >> because for one thing i think he'll put our country back 30 years. i think he'll be bad for our country. i don't think he has the
experience to be president or the political knowledge to be president to begin with, but his policies are very backward and very anti-women and anti-immigrant and anti-progress. now, i have lots of friends who are republicans, people that will vote for him. it has nothing to do with our kinship. it has to do with politics. >> what do you tell people in your daily life when you are talking about this when he comes up as the center of the political conversation. >> they ask me what he's really like. >> what's your answer to that? what's he really like. >> he's better than some and worse than others. i've worked for a lot of big developers. they're all smart. they all try to cheat the s subcontractors. he's a very smart guy. he's on the ball and he's very motivated. he's just going in the wrong direction. >> fascinating. thank you. she has a book it's called all alone on the 68th floor.
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somebody who gives up and quits as our next president. >> having all but lost the delegate race to obama, clinton's goal now is a symbolic victory in the popular vote counted disputed elections in michigan and florida. >> after winning kentucky and losing oregon to barack obama discussion turned to how obama could win over clinton's voters in the general election. >> with her or without her obama needs to win over clinton's followers to get to the white house. >> you really an tag niez people when you're not fair and this election has not been fair. >> without a clear path to the nomination clinton continued to be pressed why she refused to drop out. >> she made the comment today when asked about the length of the primary campaign she responded this way. >> my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the california primary somewhere in the middle of june.
we all remember bobby kennedy was assassinated in june in california. i don't understand it. >> hillary clinton quickly said she regretted the remark and had no intention of offending the kennedy family and obama and in two weeks she dropped out of the race. by late june she made good on that pledge by joining barack obama. >> today our hearts are set on the same destination for america. today we are coming together for the same goal, to elect barack obama as the next president of the united states. >> the question now eight years later is are we simply in the same brutal part of the election cycle we saw in 2008 or is the divide between bernie sanders and hillary clinton different. we'll show you the incredible show of force from bernie or burst supporters at a rally last night just after the break. withf potential patients.
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at bernie sanders rally in california with 11,000 people there with thousands of people chanting bernie or bust. it's a phrase that has a specific meaning in this race. bernie or bust is the rallying cry of supporters, people who say they will not vote for hillary clinton if she's the nominee. it's the equivalent of the never trumpers. it that came during a speech from the senator that included an ult ma tum to the democratic party. on the heels of a combative statement of his supporters conduct over the weekend in nevada. today while sanders took a less aggressive stance towards clinton his campaign continued to go after the party pretty hard accusing dnc officials of hosty towards the sanders campaign. that has people worried. vice president joe bidden today
seem unfazed. >> what about bernie sanders and his supporters, are you concerned. >> no. bernie sanders is a good guy. i think -- let bernie run the race. i'm confident that bernie will be supportive if hillary wins, which the numbers indicate will happen. and so i'm not -- i'm not worried. there's no fundamental split or anything in the democratic party. >> joining me now is the resident scholar, he has studied and covered the party. you were tweeting today you were begging him to cut it out. why are you concerned? >> first, tad is a long time democratic party operative who is general more pragmatic than jeff weaver, the campaign manager, but i think there's a
danger here that if you focus on the idea that the democratic party's process is il legitimate that the nomination was stolen from you, then even if bernie does what joe bidden suggested and pivots to saying we can't have donald trump as president, you're going to create a breach that's going to have a lot of people who otherwise might vote deciding not to or believing that the process is so il legitimate that the nominee is il legitimate. that takes the kind of tension that you always have in these nomination contests that can get birt towards the end. we saw it with jerry brown and bill clinton in 1992 with bill bradley and al gore in 2000. but it ends up getting damped down and not being tamped down in the same way. i'm worried about bernie whom i like. he's going to go back to senate. is he going to be a hero and a leader of this movement or will
he be a piria. >> if you go back to 2008 it was around this time when things did get pretty intense. it was clear mathematically and let's be clear barack obama was leading hillary clinton by about one-third of what she's leading bernie sanders. but there was a lot of process complaints. i was in the hotel in washington, d.c. when they fought over michigan and florida which had violated the primary calendar and there was people screaming in that room saying this is being stolen. you have all of that and then ultimately it went away. >> sure. i think anybody who suggests that bernie should drop out now, that's a mistake. he has every right to go all the way through to california, but in a deeply divided and tribal political environment and with the social media the way they
are now, the opportunity to damp down the potential for violence, for really ugly behavior, the kinds of things that could get far worse than we saw in nevada and could seriously disrupt the convention in philadelphia, you need to tone it down a bit to ratchet it down a bit and to understand if you tell your supporters that you're still likely to win when you're behind by 3 million votes and 3 million votes there's nothing about a party that creates that kind of a gap, you're playing with fire and that i think is the problem here. stay in the race, fight a vigorous contest, be plenty tough, but you've got to tone it down. >> all right. thanks for joining me. >> sure. up next it's becoming bernie sanders cry that he's polling stronger against donald trump than hillary clinton. after the break why one poll from the 2012 presidential race may help explain why. becuase they have triple zone protection.
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virtually national and state poll taken in the last six weeks in all of those polls we are defeating donald trump. in almost every case whether it is a national poll or a state poll we do much better against donald trump than does secretary clinton. >> recurring theme in the battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders has been sanders apparent strength against the presumptive republican nominee donald trump. it's a case made by sanders himself again and again as we showed on this program it's a claim borne out by the evidence if you judge by polling alone. in national polls sanders outperforms clinton against donald trump. in this brand new poll clinton trails trump but sanders is still leading him. there are various theories about why that is the case, that sanders is a stronger match
against donald trump or sanders has not had to suffer through traditional ads in this cycle so far. polls are funny. during the 2012 election there was a similar poll conducted and there was a democrat who was running stronger against mitt romney than president obama was just days before the election. obama was barely beating mitt romney in this poll but this democrat was winning. who was that democrat. the big reveal in 60 sebds. so k. is that a big deal? i think so. because not just any beef goes into it. only certain cuts of kosher beef. i guess they're pretty choosy. oh, honey! here, have some of ours. oh! when your hot dog's kosher, that's a hot dog you can trust. hebrew national
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performing better against romney in a matchup. obama was leading romney by one percentage point among likely voters. in that same poll there was a democrat beating romney by a healthy six points in a hypothetical matchup and that person was then secretary of state hillary clinton. she was leading romney 51 to 45%, a truly impressive margin. it was titled what if, the hillary effect and speculated her better performance may have been she had not been president for four years with all the baggage that entails. this time around it is hillary clinton representing the same thing with bernie sanders as the fresh outsider. but imagine earning it twice. you can with the citi double cash® card. it lets you earn cash back twice. once when you buy and again as you pay. it's cash back then cash back again. and that's a cash back win-win. the citi double cash card.
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suppressed content on the trending section. the claim lit a fire under conservative media which tends to have a bit of a persecution complex. zuckerbe zuckerberg says the company is looking into the allegations but says this report is not true. he posted a statement on facebook saying i know conservatives don't trust that our platform surfaces content without basis. we want to have a conversation about how we can build trust. there are two things in this initial report. one was the sort of claim that there was a kind of political agenda at work and that was by one anonymous person and the other was a revelation that the trending al go rhythm is a bunch of people sitting there and
pouring stories into the list. >> those of us who work in online publishing we learned over the past couple of years we've seen our traffic eb and flow on facebook. i think it's great that these conservative news personalities were up in arms about this because the story is way bigger. i don't think that facebook -- i think it's very unlikely that anybody at facebook who is employed there now is doing anything to actively to up or down vote stories based on eyed logical bent but i do think that facebook is so much more powerful than any individual news organization. yes they're entitled to the same kinds of first amendment pruxz that the new york times is entitled to but facebook now
controls news in a way that no other company in american history has. i think that should be a concern to everybody. >> to me this is the crucial point here is there's the suppression which may have been going on but it's the fact that they have a tremendous amount of power and it's power they don't want to apparently own up to in the same way "the new york times" you understand that he had tors who are at the top of that organization are controlling what you see in "the new york times" that's not the deal facebook is making on the face with the user. >> facebook is pay to play. if you are a publisher and you want your message out there you need to pay them. if you like -- for example our page on facebook you're not going to see everything we publish everything we pay for it. the younger generation of internet users is not buying that. it's a form of effective sensorship even if they don't
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>> hey, larry. look at me. >> okay. how can you justify being on this man's head. >> i'm trying to make america great. i can't do this. i can't do this. it's not funny anymore, larry. this man is an abomb nation of a human being. >> one of the things that distinguishes the nightly show from other nightly shows is that larry wilmore doesn't seem to mock and humiliate his targets with the arm's length that you are used to. don't get me wrong the nightly show is funny but for wilmore a comedian hosting a show isn't always about the punch line. last september after trump proposed the ban on muslims
wilmore seemed less preoccupied with the jokes all together. >> this is ugly. to the gop candidates who are calling him out now i can't believe you said this stop acting like you're so [ bleep] surprised and stop it. trump said this since the day he called mexicans rapists. that's how he began his campaign. when people tell you who they are, believe them. you had me at mexican rapists. >> so far it's a straightforward nightly show, but it's putting the audience in the position of not knowing whether they should laugh or in the. joining me now is larry wilmore. good to have you here. >> i want to make it clear, yes, it's okay. >> i find this interesting because i think you clearly care about this stuff. you're a long time comedian and you have an incredible resume
but there's moments in your show where it's unclear if that's a joke or you're like this is messed up. >> i think one of the thesis of our show to use although non-comic term in the beginning was we're going to keep it 100, which means we're going to keep it 100% real and sometimes we were keeping it 100% real it's not always a glib response to a situation. sometimes it's a -- response and then you find the comedy after that but sometimes you got to go in there and as we say keep it real and do you'r comedy around it. >> how do you feel watching this campaign unfold. you keep hearing it's not funny anymore. hillary clinton was saying it's not funny. my feeling is that it's both not funny and very funny all the time. >> it's both. i mean it's funny because it's absurd. >> right. >> it's not funny because it's like that's adorable. it's like i can't believe what
he's saying. isn't he -- it's absurd because this fool is running for president and it's like a mockery is being made of the whole idea of running for president. so we're laughing at this -- first we were laughing uncomfortably and not thinking this could happen. he's never going to be president. and then it was an uncomfortable laugh. this might just happen but let's keep laughing. and now it's a very scared frightened laugh. >> it's galows humor. >> we have no choice but to laugh. what are we going to do, start sobbing and say it's over. >> i have to say my humor has gotten working in this job working in that news cycle every
day, your humor gets pretty dark because you're constantly dealing with that flow of news a lot of which is terrible news. >> john stewart called it turd mining. you spend all this time mining turds and that smell is all around you. it can be depressing but the kind thing about doing a comedy show is you're forced to find the fun. there are always stories that a ridiculous. sometimes there are moments like when i feel like i just have to keep it real for a second. not for too long but for an instant. >> where does that feeling of keeping it real come from? what does that mean to you. >> it means a number of things. one was as a reaction to what was before and like steven cobear did a character -- >> it was the opposite of keeping it real. >> he was using irony and i
thought we should do the complete opposite. we should embrace realism to a whole different degree like be extra real if you will, uber real. so embracing that ethic gives our show a completely different feel from the beginning and part of our show was built as a conversation where we're actually talking about the issues so now it's a completely different tone. it's real talk about something. so part of the show is sattire. >> the keeping it real makes me think of the white house correspondents' dinner performance which you kept it a thousand. you kept it 10,000. >> thank you, coming from chris. >> exactly. >> i thought one of the things i thought. >> you keep it a thousand on this show by the way. >> thank you. that means a lot to me. >> all the time. i appreciate it. it's nice to tune in and go give
it to them chris. >> one of the things that struck me about watching you up there with the president of the united states is just that like i don't know if we have gotten our heads around what the end of the obama presidency means and i feel like that's i'm saying as a white person i feel it's particularly true of black america where no one's gone through the transition of going from a black president to a white president just as no one had gone from going from a white president to a black president. >> i don't know if america is ready for a white president. we should reexamine this and do this process over. do we want these black people moving out of the neighborhood is the question we should be asking ourselves. there's going to be separation anxiety. the obama administration is going to be looked at completely different in the years to come. people said that about the bush administration but there's not much revision -- there's isn't
much revision as far as presidents go. i think truman got a lot of it but some of that was mixed because of vietnam and everything. nixon for a while and then it went back to where it should be. clintons taking an interesting turn down which is interesting. i think obama's going to go way up. i really do because a lot of this crap is going to be gone. >> we have talked about this and we always say 60 years from now the most right wing version of like a tea party congressman will be releasing their statement on barack obama day talking about how great barack obama was and citing his 2004 speech of great admiration. >> it's quite possible that that would happen. i mean, let's be honest. ronald reagan would be a democrat today.
>> that might be true. >> amnesty alone he wouldn't last a day in the republican party. >> he would get run out. >> absolutely. >> great pleasure to have you here. come by any time you're in the neighborhood. >> let's mix it up. come on. >> that is all in for this evening. >> good evening. that was awesome. that was fun. i loved that. thanks for joining us this hour. this is it the governor of california. his name is jerry brown. 40 years ago the governor of california was also a man named jerry brown. not a different guy awkwardly with the same name, not the son or the grandson of jerry brown or something, it was the same guy. jerry brown did take some time off to do other things between his two desperate stints as california governor but it is the same man who is governor now at age 78 who was also governor