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germs so you can feel 100% in life. bring out the bold™. what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks. >> it does appear it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, of course, the investigation will have to determine. >> welcome to "morning joe." >> it's friday, and you see they are fighting. may 20th.
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with us onset, on the democratic side there's news too about the convention. former communications director for president george w. bush nicole is with us. the president on the council of foreign relations joe haus along with willie and me. a long week, a lot of news. . >> long week, a lot of news. the passing of an icon. both of you guys have worked with him. morley safer passed away yesterday. but my gosh, your father has been there for such a long time. mika, you worked at cbs for such a long time. had a chance to talk with him and work with all of the greats.
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>> that was one of the moments meeting someone like morley safer you're like, wow. his story telling was amazing. his writing was amazing. his heart and his soul that he put into his work was amazing. >> what don hewitt and the entire team did over there was nothing short of extraordinary. >> for anyone who's only seen him on "60 minutes", go back and watch online the "60 minutes" from last kweek. he started in london, inherited that desk, went to vietnam a year later when he changed the public conversation and then 40 or 50 more years of incredible coverage. so smart, such a great writer. >> with a ting of joy in every piece no matter what it was about. >> a ting of joy, but also a ting of toughness.
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tough guys. i mean mike wallace, ed bradley, morley safer. >> the great clip was the last piece they did when mike wallace was leaving ten years ago. there's always been this tension between them. even in the farewell interview, they are fighting and bickering. it's the best tv. >> the secret of "60 minutes" is they fight to the death in the screening rooms. i have been to a few of those. you don't come out well. but your piece is better. if it makes it. >> mohr lee asked in that interview, when i arrived, were you a little threatened by me. he said i was so far ahead of you, i didn't know you were here. >> we'll have more ahead. but we're going to begin news
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wise with breaking news. the egyptian military says this morning they believe the navy has found some belongings of passengers, even parts of the plane from flight 804. they describe the items as being 180 miles outside of alexandria, egypt. the plane lost contact 170 miles off the egyptian coast. a ministry of defense spokes mantles nbc news they are absolutely sure the wreckage is from flight 804 and all wreckage will be brought back to egypt for investigation. it's been more than 24 hours since the flight disappeared and the cause of the crash is still unclear. the missing egyptair e jet took off from paris after 11:00 p.m. local time. radar last detected it flying over the mediterranean sea minutes before it was scheduled to land in cairo. they identified the pilot and co-pilot, an interior ministry official told "the new york
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times" that both had no known affiliations and had passed security background checks. a senior u.s. intelligence official familiar with the region tells nbc news images strongly suggest there was an explosion aboard the plane. this is not a confirmation, but a working theory for investigation. >> with us know, chief correspondent bill neilly. get us up to date with the latest. >> reporter: good morning, guys. this is officially still a search and rescue operation, but rescue seems a long shot as there's no sign of life from flight 804. as for the search, egyptian officials seem convinced that they have found something off the coast of egypt near alex alexandria. plane debris and passengers' belongings, according to egyptian state tv. but none of this has been confirmed. the egyptians have been wrong before and wrong many times
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about plane crashes. so we really should treat this with great caution. i know from personal experience in the methditerranean there ar lots o of life preservers from sunken refugee boats that float to the surface. many of which will look like debro from an aircraft, so these are early stages so far. i'm at cairo airport, where investigators are meeting. three came in from france yesterday. also an airbus executive from france. investigators from britain are being assisted by about half a dozen nations, both at sea and in the air. a u.s. naval search aircraft is taking part in that search, which is over a wide area. at the minute, we must stress no claim of responsibility from anyone. no direct suggestion that this was terrorism.
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so all option res main open. >> thank you so much. let's now fwo to denver. >> we have former senior air safety investigator greg fife. we sit 24 hours later. what more have you been able to put together as you have listened to some of this evidence come in? >> willie, as we went through all of yesterday with information, misinformation, they put the information out, they redacted the information. it's very difficult at this point to really have any kind of substantial information that's credible. apparently the officials are hanging their hat on the radar data, especially the defense folks and talking about the motion of the airplane as it descended from 37,000 feet. we don't know what context that is in. we don't know what happened just requiprior to that based on thi radar data. until we get flight data recorder and voice recorder information, i don't know we can actually confirm whether the
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motion of the airplane, the turn to the left and the spiraling turn to the right was either because there was a problem with the airplane or that was the result of some sort of explosion and the airplane just spiraling out of the sky. >> greg feith, thank you so much. >> this is one of the stories that every report is we don't know exactly whpd yet. we don't know the context. >> we're pretty sure we know what happened. >> well, no. >> we're not going to say what we think happened and we don't know what happened. >> we're not going to churn ridiculously over and over about it. >> a new poll with trump and clinton. pretty extraordinary stuff as far as it's a close race. but the disapprovals, the trust worthy numbers, this is mind
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blowing that the overwhelming majority of americans think neither of them are honest, neither of them are trust worthy and they are both dishonesdisho. >> he's untouchable. >> she's called it every time. >> i'm getting a pickup truck for the republican nomination. >> you could probably get an aircraft carrier if you went to the general election. >> a helicopter would be good. >> tragedy with egyptair. there's politics now surrounding it. hillary clinton and donald trump
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say it appears that terrorism was involved in this plane crash. but it also touched off a tense back and forth over foreign policy after she was asked if trump was qualified. >> i do not. whether it's attacking great britain, praising the leader of north korea, a dictator who has nuclear weapons, whether it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons. i know how hard this job is. i know that we need steadiness, as well as strength and smarts in it. and i have concluded he's not qualified to be president of the united states. >> today we had a terrible tragedy and she came up and she said that donald trump talked about radical islamic terrorism, which he used a different term. she doesn't want to use that
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term. she refuses to use that term. i'm saying to myself, it's a terrible thing. he essentially shouldn't be running for office. he doesn't have the right to run for office. i'm saying to myself what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks. >> by the way, clinton is now fundraising off her remarks that trump is not qualified. already this morning trump is up and tweeting. i said that crooked hillary clinton is not qualified to be president because she has very bad judgment. bernie said the same thing. and crooked hillary has zero imagination and even less stamina. isis, china, russia and all would love for her to be president. four more years. dt donald trump will be our guest in just a few minutes. >> that's like ten pounds of sugar into a five-pound pbag.
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>> the bernie mention, he's going to leverage everything bernie has said. bernie is still going after hillary clinton. trump is using that. >> he's making headway, at least with the dnc. i think they are trying to work with him. they are trying to make up for -- >> i think he's making headway. he's doing real damage to her. we talked a second ago about trump being 3 points ahead of her. i think there's a direct line you can drawn to the damage inflicted from the right and the left of the ideological spectrum. >> the anger is really palpable out there towards the dnc from bernie supporters. nevada is the most extreme version of that, but you go online and see what's being written and see the tweets. it's really, really palpable in a way that i think, you're right, bernie supporters aren't just going to kiss and make up.
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>> i don't think so. yesterday we saw the fox news poll that shows trump at 45% and clinton at 42%. now this morning, as joe ment n mentioned, a "new york times" poll shows she's doin 3 since april. clinton is at 31%, trump a mere 26%. >> is this what we got? >> the opinion of candidates, richard, a president that has to lead a nation into war or make a nation sacrifice, financially in an economic crisis, let's put the numbers back up. they are stunning. not that i don't want to see richard's face because he is beautiful, but these numbers, 31% favorability for hillary clinton. 26% for donald trump.
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how does a president lead? >> whoever wins is going to inherit a demanding end box international ly and domestically. this doesn't shout mandate at you. this doesn't shout a country coming together ready to compromise and step up and make tough decisions, whether it's on the budget or taxes or big foreign policy questions. you almost get the sense whoever w wins is going to enter in with a lot of head winds. and a real challenge to bring the country together to step up to difficult situations. >> what makes it worse is trump is going to go after clinton with a vengeance. clinton is already promised to spend hundreds of millions of dollars destroying his character. it's not like these numbers are going to go up. >> it's already started. there's been some things said that are just beyond the pale of what anyone would talk about.
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>> six more months of that. >> how do those numbers get any higher? >> we never thought we'd be in a position where donald trump would have locked up the republican nomination before hillary clinton got the democratic nomination. his negatives probably won't go up as much as hers because he's not getting attacked every day by a number of rivals. >> on all sides. that was one of the numbers in the poll that i was most interested in. the sub headline is republicans are lining up in a strong way behind donald trump. a guy that half of them seem to hate like two weeks ago. >> it was an unpalettable thought a couple months ago. there's no way i will support, never trump. now only 12% of republicans say they won't support him. >> u yo believe that? >> so this was an idea when it started a year ago that seemed impossible. let's be honest. that donald trump would be the
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nominee, let alone be president of the united states. now prominent republicans out in the country are saying, well, i guess we're going this. >> over 8 out of 10 gop voters say trump deserves the party's backing. there's another poll question here that talks about is your party divided. are you happy where your party is going. republicans fair horribly. 14% of republicans believe their party is united. 84% believe it's divided. they have a grim view of the future. >> i read this number four times last night when i got our note. i think that this is sort of the amplified voice of the establishment that exacerbates these figures. we look at where our voters are. 84% of our voters want the gop to get behind trump. if you look at the idea as to whether or not we're divide ud, it's so out of whack. i think this is sort of the effect of the amplification of
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the establishment voices who are still expressing concern and doubts about trump. >> then there's the bernie sanders angle. does that play into these numbers? >> yeah, i do. >> i wonder where they are going to go. >> i think they are totally up for grabs. >> that's the way to put it. >> they are definitely up for grabs. 11,000 people in california. >> susan ze ran dan said something a couple weeks ago about trump. i'm supporting bernie. she backed off that. you can never see her going in with her ping-pong paddle. >> it's an amazing place. but the mere fact that she would have trouble saying, yes, of course, i would go from bernie
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to hillary shows you just how deep the division is in that party. you're going to see some people voting for the green party. you're going to see some people staying home. i'm sorry, hillary and bernie are just two extraordinary different political brnds. they are not in the same universe. >> they are as different as bernie and trump. their second choice was bernie. >> no longer the principle identifying label in america. we're seeing in this election for the first time class. we become more like europe. i never thaugd i'd see the day where class was closer than party. we're beginning to see that. >> in a big way. >> the group of people that are just wide open waiting for somebody to run are millennials. they loathe hillary. they loathe trump. they love bernie, but if bernie doesn't make it, you have 1 out
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of 5 voters, millennials. the future of america wondering where they are going to go. look at the young faces in the crowd. >> you can't deny this. it's still happening even though they have no path. but they show up. >> i feel like they haven't told them that. >> let's not underestimate the intelligence. >> i wouldn't say he has absolutely no path. >> as the democratic nominee, he has no path. >> unless the fbi steps in. if the fbi steps in, and that's part of their calculous. why u drop out why the investigation is still beginning on. >> these people want us to speak. we're going to keep going because -- >> he's 74 years old. it's not like he's going to play it safe for eight years from now. for bernie sanders supporters, this is not token opposition to the person they u believe is
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going to be the knee e. they believe hillary clinton should not be the nominee. they believe at their core bernie sanders should be the nominee. my point is they are not going to roll over and support hillary clinton for nothing. they want bernie to be the nominee, but number two, they want to extract something from hillary clinton. >> the system is rigged thing, they feel that about their party. >> because it is. there's a reason why bernie sanders has gotten $27 per contributor. the guy has raised almost $180 million on small donations averaging $27. it's extraordinary. it's like anything in politics ever before and the reason why is because he believes in something. he has a core set of believes that he hasn't moved off of since the early 1960s. he fights for it. his people know it. they sense it. and why in the world would he sit back and say the calculated move is to get out of the race and maybe i'll get a few things.
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it doesn't work that way when you have been living this for 50 years. >> don't you think he has less leverage that it's becoming so acrimoniou acrimonious. >> he has more. >> a lot to get to. 21 past the hour. >> i have to explain to my friends on the house floor they don't respect you if you always say yes. no, i'm not voting for that. stop asking, no. >> i think that happened yesterday. >> no, i'm not voting. then walk away. they come back to you. what do you need, joe? >> coming up on "morning joe," continuing coverage of the downed egyptair aircraft. also ahead the presumptive republican nominee for president donald trump joins us for a live interview. that's just moments away. >> it's going to be huge. it's going to be the greatest interview. >> look at this. the number two democrat in the senate illinois dick durbin sizes up security in america's
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airports. retired four star general ray on the fight against terror and steve israel, who serves on the armed services committee. we'll be right back. >> i started talking using the word rigged about four months ago. nobody used it. now everybody is calling it rigged. they copy my i want to go out and have that phrase coined. are those made with all-beef, karen? yeah, they're hebrew national. but unlike yours, they're also kosher. kosher? yeah, they're really choosy about what goes in. so, only certain cuts of kosher beef meet their strict standards and then they pick the best from that. oh man! what'd we do? they're all ruined. help yourself! oh no, we couldn...okay thanks. when you hot dog's kosher, thats a hot dog you can trust. hebrew national.
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we have been friends with donald trump for 14 years. i said to mary pat, we never, ever make a mistake by standing with your friend. and donald trump is my friend. >> chris paid off his entire campaign debt tonight. and you can't even give him a table or seat, that's terrible. when companies moving to mexico, i'm not eating oreos anymore. you know that. neither is chris. you're not eating oreos anymore.
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no more oreos for either of us. don't feel bad for either of us. >> i don't even think you would say that. >> it's his friend. that's his friend. >> he showed up to fix the campaign debt and get a little oreos jab in there. >> do you eat the whole thing? one cookie off and. >> i do that with the double stuff. it's half an inch of stuff. >> we saw going to the break trump is going to trademark rigged. we may have a legal ax. i said rigged that morning 20 times. and then he said it that night. >> don't bicker. >> take it up with him in a minute. >> you guys can talk about it. try not to hang up on each other. >> so we had former defense
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secretary robert gates on the show yesterday. he had this to say about the two candidates. >> i think the first thing that a president needs to know is what he or she doesn't know. to acknowledge that no matter how many times they have been briefed or how much experience that there is a lot that they u don't understand. one of the things that troubles me and one of the reasons frankly i'm speaking out a little bit is that on the democrats side, you wouldn't know we have a foreign policy because there's been no discussion really at all about national security policies on the side of the democrats. on the republican side, pretty much what you hear is uninformed bluster and threats. so the american people a at this stage in the campaign have no idea what either one of these front runners would do if they are elected president. that's a real world out there. it's a complex, dangerous world.
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the american people deserve to hear some carefully considered positions from these candidates on how they would handle these very complex problems. >> what is your view of the two candidates? are they driven by a passion for leadership, the true definition of leadership, do you think? >> the honest answer is i don't know. i don't know what drives either one of these candidates. it's hard for me to put either of them on the couch and try to analyze their motives and why they are running for office. but it would sure be nice to hear either of them talk more realistically about what they actually would do to try and address some of the problems that we face. both internally and this very complex international situation. other than just basically yelling at each other. >> richard, it's a complaint we hear an awful lot as we go out. that americans feel like this
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election is fact free, devoid of facts, that it's more slogans, more shouting, more insults on both sides, whether it's bluster on the democratic side or the republican side. how concerning is that for the foreign policy establishment. >> extremely. what bob gates said is spot on. we're not voting for the next president. we're voting for the commander-in-chief. this person is going to have extraordinary influence in the world and extraordinary responsibility over the lives of americans in uniform and out of uniform. it was just a sober, useful reminder of the stakes here. they are enormous. we're going to have the one debate in october about foreign policy. that's not enough. we have really got to drill down on these areas. because the capacity of whoever is elected to make consequential decisions is almost unlimited. >> i was struck by what secretary gates said that the most important thing for a president to know is what he or
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she doesn't know. that's been barack obama. barack obama's biggest failings is he just doesn't know what he doesn't know. he hasn't learned in office. he hasn't grown in office. he hasn't collected -- they made a conscious decision early on we're not going to bring new friends on board. we're going to stay isolated. you're going to be reading this in books a year or two from now. you're going to be absolutely shocked by how barack obama's foreign policy has been run. it's going to be stunning to you. the second he leaves office, all the books are going to be written. you're going to be horrified. richard, i have yet to talk to a foreign policy person that hasn't said the same thing. then you had george w. bush. he had colin powell about the second iraq war from a guy who fought the first iraq war and he didn't want to talk to him because he knew what his opinion was so he never brought it up
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with him. we have had two presidents that haven't known what they haven't known. it scares the hell out of me to think we might have a third in a row. >> it's not just hwho you appoint, it's how you use them. they get the process they want, not the process they need. you have to set up a process with individuals that in some ways offsets your own weaknesses and own limits. there's a tendency of presidents to do the opposite. to get comfortable with people in the process. in some ways you need a process that makes presidents uncomfortable. >> you've you're delivering the commencement speech tomorrow. that's nois. what's the message to the the graduates? >> they think they are done with their education. >> they want to celebrate. >> i told them they have 24 hours to celebrate. part of it has to be about the world. their life is going to be a 21st century life. they have to be prepared for
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joining us now the presumptive republican nominee for president donald trump. donald, are you there? >> i am, good morning. >> you have been up early this morning. >> i always get up early. >> you're tweeting early. >> i get up nice and early. >> why are you tweeting early? >> i like tweeting. i like getting the word out. >> what word do you want to get out this morning? >> i think i have gotten the word out. hillary said some things, i said some thing, i u go back to work and have a lot of fun. >> so let's talk about a couple polls that have been out the past couple days. the fox poll has you up a couple points. then you have this "new york times" poll that has hillary up a couple points. it looks like it's getting tight between you two. >> well, a pot had me up by 5 points yesterday.
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we're doing really well. get iting tremendous crowds and enthusiasm. it's sort of interesting because i talk about hillary's bad judgment. i said that this morning to a lot of followers. a lot of people that agree with me. she has horrible judgment. you look at what's going on. >> what's the worst example of her? you say she has horrible judgment. >> i can tell you a lot of examples. one is libya. libya was a disaster. just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. so we knock out libya and you knock out gadhafi and she thinks we did a great job. isis has the oil. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. and iraq too. >> will you stay out of syria? >> i would have stayed out of syria and wouldn't have fought for assad because i thought that was a whole thing. you have iran, which we made
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into a power. iran now is a power. because of us, because of some of the dumbest deals i have ever seen. so now you have iran and russia in favor of assad. we're supposed to fight the two of them. at the same time, we're supposed to fight isis, who is fighting assad. >> so there are a lot of people who say you have inconsistent foreign policy, but it sounds consistent. you wouldn't have gone into libya. you wouldn't have gone into iraq. you wouldn't go into syria. you wouldn't have fought assad. >> but i would go after isis. >> but you'd go after isis. >> joe, isis is fighting syria. so you have some people that want to fight syria and isis at the same time. they are fighting each other. >> so what you're saying is assad can stay in power. that's not your interest. >> i'm saying we have bigger problems than assad. >> you're interested in
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militarily to go after isis, but we're not interested in replacing assad. >> i would say knock the hell out of isis, which we could have done originally. e we shouldn't have been in iraq. bad decision. then the way obama got us out was a horrible decision. the way we came out. and i would have said u isis was created because of that. they wouldn't take them in. because we had the wrong leadership. >> but i want to get specific on syria because there is a divided foreign policy community. lindsey graham says you have to replace assad. others are more realists who say, you know what, assad is a horrible person but he stays there. our job is getting rid of isis. >> that's where i am. lindsey graham call ed me up th other day. he was very nice. that was a very surprising call. but i disagree with him on this. we have iran and we have russia totally on the side of assad. and that's not the reason i stay
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out necessarily, but certainly it's a complicating factor. we have them totally on the side of assad. we have to knock the hel lrl ouf isis. they are fighting each other people are going to say what are we doing. >> one more foreign policy e question. for not being good friends with our friends but leaning over backwards to help our enemies whether it's iran or cuba. this past week a lot of people confused because you're talking about obama saying he would go to north korea and you talk to the north koreans. >> i wouldn't go to north korea. >> you would talk to them. >> the last thing i would do is go there. i don't know who would say i would go there. >> you'll talk to the north korean leader. >> yes, i would. >> maybe he can go to your resort in scotland. you talk to him. but on the other side you're attacking great britain, our longest running ally.
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is there an inconsistency there. >> i'm not attacking great britain. i'm not attacking them at all. they asked me about the eu. i u said, frankly, it's none of my business. i don't even like answering it, but if i would get out of the eu. i u see what happened with the great migration destroying europe and eu had a lot to do with that. personally, i would get out but i don't want that to influence the people of great britain. >> you were going after david cameron. >> you show me where. he came after me. he would like me to visit 10 downing street. they put out that invitation two days ago. i will do just fine with david cameron. i will do just fine. they have asked me to visit 10 downing street. >> that's interesting. i thought i heard that you said we might not have good relations. >> we're going to have good relationships. we're going to have better relationships than we have now
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but these countries won't be taking advantage of us. you look at what's going on with china and mexico. everybody takes advantage of the united states and we are $19 trillion. >> we heard you say nabisco is going down to mexico. you shouldn't have made an oreo joke at chris christie's fundraiser. >> you thought that was not appropriate? >> i don't think you should have made an oreo joke to chris christie. >> i have a question. we had former defense secretary robert gates on the show yesterday. i'm going to play for you a bit of what he had to say. he had concerns about both candidates, you and hillary clinton. take a listen. >> i think they are especially apprehensive about the unpredictability and the threats of mr. trump. and some of the things he's said from having japan and south korea have nuclear weapons to
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breaking off the relationship with with china and so on and so forth. these are all serious concern. the worry is that even before the election, countries begin to take steps to offset these dangers or these perceived shifts in u.s. policy in ways that put greater distance between ourselves and them in terms of cooperation in the future. >> and donald, i want to know what you think of those comments. >> the comments are wrong. he knows nothing about me. he knows nothing about what i said. i'm not a big fan of his because you look at two things. look at where our country is with years of him being involved. we are a mess, number one. i know he has a great reputation and all of that. all of these guys have a great reputation. they have been doing this stuff for 15 years. number two, as far as japan and south korea are concerned.
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all i'm saying is we defend them. they are paying us a tiny fraction of what it's costing. i want them to pay. i would love to continue to defend japan. i would love to continue to defend south korea. we have 28,000 soldiers on the line between north and south korea right now. it is costing us an absolute fortune, which we don't have. i'd like them to pay up. they have a lot of money. we take in japan's cars by the millions. south korea sells us -- >> you don't have a problem with the troops staying there. you just want japan and south rea to pay us. >> i want them to pay up. we are not a koun -- this isn't 20 years ago. we are not a country that can afford to defend saudi arabia, germany, the nato nations, 28 nato nations, many of which are not paying us. japan, south korea, nobody, we're like the dummies that
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protect everybody. all i'm saying is we have to get reimbursed. nobody says that. and bob gates has no idea. >> so bob gates is one of the greatest foreign policy minds in history. >> really, why? because we're doing so well? you think we're doing wl with his foreign policy? >> i think the worry is how you will be as president and present your positions and your words and there are some concerns that you might be trigger happy with your words. >> i'm the one that didn't want to go into iraq? >> i'm even talking about for example the tweet you sent yesterday morning. >> what's wrong with them? >> i will tell you that some might say. that it was generating hatred, focusing on the hatred and fear that terrorism brings. >> you feel that way, but another plane was blown up and i
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can practically guarantee who blew it up. >> but listen to yourself right now. >> the mind set of a weak hillary clinton, which is four more years of obama is not going to do it for our country, mika. >> i'm asking you if there is any perhaps become paing here to the concern that a lot of what you say is focused on hatred and fear and generating more anger and churning it up and perhaps that tweet maybe you might have thought of the families that are suffering first. >> let me tell you what i'm thinking. i'm thinking of the future. we can't continue to let things like this happen. we are being taken vng of by radical islamic terrorists and we are -- this world is changing. another couple planes go down and you'll have a depression worldwide, the likes of which you have never seen. because nobody is going to travel. there will be no anything. there will be no communication between countries.
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and you'll have a problem the likes of which you have never seen. i will tell you four more years of a weak hillary clinton and that's what she is, four more years of that, it will not work. it will not work. all i did is point it out. i said when you find out what happened to the plane, it will be exactly what i said. that plane didn't go down because of mechanical failure. >> i'm not saying it did. >> speaking about working, let's go to the guy who when i'm not working 90% of the time he's in charge. i just walk around. >> i want to ask you something about you said last night. who the hell cares if there's a trade war. you have been open about riff on exports from china and mexico. most experts believe that would plunge china and mexico into a recession. could perhaps the united states into the recession? are you concerned about the jobs lost in this country because of a trade war. >> ready? china, we have a trade deficit
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with china of $505 billion this year. we have a trade deficit with mexico $58 billion. they are killing us at the border and everything else. we all know that. the drugs are pouring across. people are coming across. everybody is coming across. they do nothing to help us. they will. they lend up being good neighbors. we'll have a good relationship if i'm in there. but when we have a trade deficit with china of over $500 billion a year, i say let there be something. they are taking advantage of us. we can't do any worse. if we had a trade war, to be honest, it can't be worse than having a trade deficit of $505 billion. i say that loud and i say it clear. let me tell you what will happen. when we get tough with china, they will stop devaluing their currency. they are absolutely killing us by devaluing their currency. they are making it impossible
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for our companies to compete with china. and by doing that, it's taking our jobs away. look at our country. lock at the jobs. the real job situation, not the phoney job with the 5% stuff. lock at the real job situation. if i go out and see communities stripped of their jobs. >> if you put that tariff on chinese exports it would put the chinese economy into a recession? >> i don't. i'm not sure you'd ever have to do it. i have been contacted by top people in china. they are concerned with me. guess what they are going to do. they are going to negotiate. they are not concerned with obama because they have been ripping off our country for eight years with obama. they are very concerned with me. think want to figure out what's going on. and i can tell you top people have talked to me and they said, boy, you have china in a very interesting position. they want to negotiate, donald.
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i said, i know, because that's what i do. that's what i do frankly better than anybody else. when you have a guy like bob gate that's been running foreign policy, he's been in so many administrations, i will tell you another thing i don't like about bob gates. whether it's obama or anybody else, when he writes a book and says bad things about everybody that he worked for, i don't like the kind of guys that write books and say bad about everybody they work for. >> we're going to put him undecided for bob gates for vice president. >> i don't care. >> we heard you. >> i don't like where our country is and he's been there for many years. >> he's kind of had commander-in-chief strapped around -- you think things are bad now. think about how bad they would have been if he weren't there trying to resist the worst instincts of our last two commanders in chiefs. >> i think things are very bad now. >> you're like my dad.
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>> we're running out of time. we got to get around the table. >> a quick button on this because that was an important thing you just said. the 35% tariff you proposed may just be a negotiating tool and may not ever implement it. >> i hate to say that because i hate to tell china there that. i will tell china now. i will implement it if they don't behave and they are not behaving. they are devaluing their currency. they gave the biggest devaluation in the history -- biggest in 20 years. they are not behaving. they are not playing fair. >> on top of that, they are building a major fortress in the south china sea. >> just so china knows, donald is going o to put on like an 80% tariff. >> don't joke, joe. >> let me finish. you got to let me finish. you got to let me get to the second part of what i was going to say. for all you economics professors
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and people writing op-eds and freaking out, he's negotiating. this entire campaign, look what he did to the republican party. he battered them and abused them and they came whimpering to him like a beaten dog, begging him. it's what e he does. it's called hard nose negotiating. >> i will say one thing. the republican party is really coming together and really unifying. people are endorsing me now that frankly i was a little bit surprised. >> frankly, i was surprised. >> you're running against a rigged political system sdm and a rigged economy. bernie sanders is run ining against a rigged political system and economy. you have a lot of an months if i ity for hillary clinton. bernie sanders has a lot of animosity for hillary clinton. would you take a few minutes to talk to him and consider him as a running mate? >> that's a great question. the one thing that bernie sanders and i have in common,
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two things. i do have much bigger crowds than him, but that's okay. >> with all due respect, it's close. >> he's above any other republican. i will say this. we have one thing in common. we know that the united states is being taken advantage horrible y on trade deals. the difference between bernie and myself is that i know how to make those trade deals fantastic and he doesn't. he has no clue. >> as your number two, he could watch and learn from you. >> he has too many other things in the bag. i will tell you, nicole, and i mean this 100%. if bernie loses, which he will because his system is rigged, bernie should run as an independent. his people -- big percentages of the bernie people are going to vote for trump. >> all right, donald trump. >> thank you.
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>> thank you. >> thanks, donald. >> he's just getting started. have you had your coffee yet? >> what did you write u down while you were interviewing him? >> i'm not saying that. >> what he was saying about other countries that might horrify the foreign policy people. >> he should sit down with bob gates in private. i think he would like him more. >> that was trigger happy. >> you need to meet him. >> what he was saying there, it's where most americans are. >> military officials say -- >> they'll defend them, but they have to pay their way. >> i think that's the piece that's missing. >> coming up, military officials say debris has been found belonging to egyptair 804. what officials are saying right now about the investigation. plus retired four star general ray odierno sizes up the
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>> my name is stephen colbert and i u love joe biden. if you think joe biden is kidding, hooest not. >> you all think i'm kidding. i'm not. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, may 20th. still with us onset nicole wallace. and we're going to go to chris jansing live in paris in just a bit. debris from egyptair flight 804 has been found oobt 180 miles off egypt. we'll have the latest on that. but first we saw yesterday the fox news poll that shows trump at 45% and clinton at 42%. now this morning a "new york times" cbs news poll shows donald trump gaining on hillary clinton as well. she now leads trump by 6 points in the national poll. she's down 3 since april. but both candidates are deeply flawed on the question of
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favorability. clinton is at 31%. trump a mere 26%. on the question of honesty, they are neck and neck at a sdiz mall 32% and 31%. and while both are seen as strong leaders, clinton leads trump by 21 points when voters were asked about the right temperame temperament. >> i started talking and using the word rigged. about four months ago, nobody used the word rigged. now everybody is calling it rigged. they copied me. i want to have that phrase coined. >> we actually started that. >> and there are still deep riffs between the parties themselves. now you know what a woman feels like. the democrats are even split as their primary wears on.
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a different story for the republicans. 14% say their party feels united. when it comes to the future of the party, 80% of democrats say they are mostly hopeful. 55% of republicans can say the same. >> there's so much to go through. let's start with just the horribly low numbers for honesty, approval, sharing the values, these are just the numbers of losers. . people that have these numbers lose every election. >> you have two candidates who a majority of voters find unfavorable. the one that jumped out of me, shares my values. you'd think if you're going to vote for somebody, 37% of people shared clinton's values. 31% of trump. you have to support one or the other. and yet you don't believe they think the same things you think u. you don't believe they will fight for the things you believe in. >> you look at the top number and think they are going to lie
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to you. the second thunderstorm, you think they don't share the values of you and your family. and the approval rating horrifically low. >> bob gates said in that interview yesterday that e we played earlier, he said he believes temperament is the number one issue for a president. >> fdr had a first rate temperament that made all the difference in the world. if that's the case, if we have all these numbers that show trump's so low, we also have republican party that's lining up behind him. >> in my campaign experience, the two questions around which the outcome turns is strong leader and understands the problems of people like you. those are the two contests in which they are the closest. so i think if hillary clinton was to change the dynamic, if it she wants to shake things up from the trajectory she's now on, which she will be behind donald trump in just about every poll we see in the coming weeks because of the onslaught from
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sanders and trump. she needs to inject temperament as a question that is as important to voters as historically strong leader has been. she's behind him in the question of strong leader. that's usually the central question that an election turns on. >> moments ago donald trump joined us. we talked about some of the critiques he's gotten about his foreign policy proposals. >> donald, we had former defense secretary robert gates on the show yesterday. i'm going to play what he had to say. he had concerns about both candidates, you and hillary clinton. take a listen. >> i think they are especially apprehensive about the unpred t unpredictability and the threats of mr. trump. and some of the things he's said from having japan and south korea having nuclear weapons to breaking off the relationship with china and so on and so forth. these are all serious concern. the problem, the worry is that even before the election,
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countries begin to take steps to offset these dangers or these perceived shifts in u.s. policy in ways that put greater distance between ourselves and them in terms of cooperation in the future. >> and donald, i want to know what you think of those comments. >> the comments are wrong. he knows nothing about me. he knows nothing about what i u said. i'm not a big fan of his, by the way. you take a look at two things. look at where our country is with years of him being involved. we are a mess, number one. i know he has a great reputation and all of that. all of these guys have a great reputation. they have been doing this stuff for 15 years. we need a new group with better thinking. number two, as far as japan and south korea are concerned, all i'm saying is we defend them. they are paying us a tiny fraction of what it's costing. i want them to pay. i would love to continue to
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defend japan. i would love to continue to defend south korea. we have 28,000 soldiers on the line between north and south korea. it's costing us an absolute fortune, which we don't have. i would like them to pay up. >> so you don't have a problem with the trops staying there. you just want them to pay us. >> i want them to pay up. >> we cannot afford to defend saudi arabia, germany, the nato nations, 28 nato nations, many of which are not paying us and living up to their agreement. japan, south korea, nobody. we're like the dummies that protect everybody. all i'm saying is we have to get reimbursed because we can't afford it. nobody says that. and bob gates, who i don't know
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at all, but. bob gates has no idea. they are misrepresenting him. >> he's one of the greatest foreign policy minds in history. >> really, why? because we're doing so well? you think we're doing well with his foreign policy? >> i think the worry, also, is how you will be as president and present your positions and your words and there's some concerns you might be trigger happy with your words. like for example -- >> i'm the one that didn't want to go into iraq. >> i'm even talking about, for example, the tweet you sent out yesterday morning. >> what's wrong with them? >> i will tell you what some might say. >> go ahead. >> that it was very much generating hatred, focusing on the hatred and fear that terrorism brings -- >> you feel that way, but i can practically guarantee who blew it up. >> listen. donald, listen to yourself right now. >> the mind set of a weak hillary clinton, which is four
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more years of obama is not going to do it for our country. >> yeah, and i'm asking you if there is any perhaps backing here to the concern that a a lot of what you say is focused on hatred and fear and sort of generating more anger and churning it up and perhaps that tweet maybe you might have thought of the families that are suffering first. >> i'm thinking of the future. we cannot continue to let things like this happen. we are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists and this world is change. another couple of planes go down and you're going to have a depression worldwide, the likes of which you have never seen. because nobody is going to travel. there will be no anything. there will be no communication between countries. and you'll have a problem the likes of which you have never seen. i will tell you four more years of a weak hillary clinton and that's what she is, four more
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years of that, it will not work. it will not work. all i did is point it out. i said when you find out what happened to the plane, it will be exact ly what i said. >> you said after that response, that's the message americans want to hear. who are not going to give japan and saudi arabia and all these other countries. whether you agree with it strategically or not, you think that message goes to the straight of the heart of america. >> i do. that is the way donald trump talks. and that's what i knew the day e he went down that escalator that he would be able to send a message that connects with the gut of the american people. but i will say that foreign policy thinkers and those who have been doing this a long time have deep concerns about churning that up so much that we turn into a society that perhaps is even more of a danger to itself. >> and on your gut point, what donald trump tweeted yesterday morning, we said yesterday on
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this show he shouldn't have done it. he should have offered condolences first. but everybody at home was thinking the same thing. somebody blew up that plane. donald trump has tapped into what people think in the country. what they think in bars and at their kitchen table in the morning. the distinction is he wants to be commander-in-chief and there's a different standard. hillary clinton said the same thing. she just said it a couple hours later. she said this was an act of terrorism. he got out early. i'm not defending what he wrote, but all i'm saying is he is going on gut and he's connect ing with people and thinking and talking the way they talk at home. >> for sure. >> george bush and donald trump are very, very different. i u remember some of the moments in which george bush was most harshly criticized for when he said things like i'm going to get osama bin laden dead alive. when you are the president and you say things, your words have
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dire kons chemical weapoconsequ. now that he's the nominee, voices like bob gates are incredibly important to listen to and respect. i think the most troubling thing he did this morning was completely disregard the sort of very measured and not personal critique of bob gates, but he was really making an argument about a president's temperament. he was talking about the kind of temperament necessary in an american president. i think hillary clinton's potential for success really turns around her ability to make that a mainstream argument. to make that connect at a gut level the way trump's visceral reactions do. >> hillary clinton declared the democratic race for her party's presidential nomination effectively over yesterday. in an interview, clinton was confident that not only would the normmination be hers, but tt senator bernie sanders would make hard to make sure his supporters would back her. >> i will be the nominee for my
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party, chris. that is already done. there's no way that i won't be. when i came out and withdrew and endorsed senator obama, about 40% of my supporters said they would never support him. so i worked really hard to make the case, as i'm sure senator sanders will, that whatever differences we have, they pale in comparison to the republican party. >> not surprisingly, the sanders campaign disagrees. saying in a statement, in the past three weeks voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disagreed with hillary clinton. we expect voters in the remaining eight contests will also disagree. meanwhile, "the washington post" reports that democratic national committee plans to offer a concession to the sanders c campaign. namely seats on a key convention committee in hopes of avoiding
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an ugly convention fight this july in philadelphia. the decisions to make, the offer is expected in the coming days. the sanders camp plans to extract additional concessions on other key policies such as an increase in the minimum wage and more balanced position regarding israel and palestinians. >> they can't hand him a seat and have this go away. >> it doesn't work that way. what's so remarkable, there's in po politic where is if you like someone they can say something you know to be false and you're nodding your head in agreement. if you don't like someone, they can say something you know to be true and you're like, i don't know. for hillary clinton, that's the position she finds herself is np she is going to be the normmine.
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she has had it mathematically locked up since mid-march but she's been the head candidate and never the heart candidate. that belongs to bernie sanders. >> it's just going to be tough when you go to a convention if the republicans are all unified behind trump, which seems pretty amazing, and the democrats are stul battling this out, that spills into the fall. >> the resentment you see, and rightfully so in many ways, of bernie sanders supporters and campaign itself of the ongoing coronation, what they believe of hillary clinton whether it's among the dnc or members of the media, they are taking this very seriously. they are not going to roll over for her. they are not going to take a few seats on a convention committee. they want real change in the party. they believe some how, some way, bernie sanders could be the nominee. whether it's the fbi investigation or something else. but this is not token resistance to someone they believe should be the nominee. this is real principle
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opposition to hillary clinton. they don't think she should be president. >> they seem to be blind to it almost. i don't understand these crowds given the voter turnout and what has happened. hillary clinton is 100% correct that she's winning. but something here is still in play. and i think, again, the mistake is being made that they will fall in line. >> i think they are up for grabs. >> i think there's a difference between a political movement and plolitical campaign. this started becoming a movement that people are willing to invest their souls and hearts and minds into. now to the latest developments with flight 804. the egyptian military says this morning they believe the navy has found some belongings of passengers and parts of the plane itself. they have described the items as being about 180 miles outside of alexandria, egypt. that's about where officials
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lost contact with the plane when it was in flight. it's been more than 24 hours since the flight disappeared from radar and the cause of the apparent crash is still unclear. egyptair identified the pilot and co-pilot and an official told "the new york times" that both men had had no known political affiliations and passed security background checks. a senior intelligence official familiar with the region says infrared images strongly suggest there was an explosion aboard the plane. that is not a confirmation, but a working theory for investigators. joining us from paris is nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, bring us the latest at this point. where do we stand? >> reporter: well, obviously, if it turns out to be true, if they are able to recover parts of the fuselage, belongings from passengers, this would be a big
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break in the case. it would also give them an indication of where the debris field is, which could lead to more clues. they would have teams of investigators from the various countries ready to look at all of those tums. just a quick note of caution, which is as you know egyptair said they found debris. that turned out not to be true. we're getting this from military officials and there's an ongoing press conference with greek fushls, who are saying the same thing. at the same time, french officials flew overnight to cairo. these are aviation officials here the e kwif lent of our tsa. they will have their first meetings to coordinate this investigation with the folks in egypt, which is significant. i'm standing just off the airport. this is a key place where they are looking at what might have happened at all the stops along the way. they are looking at whoever had access to that plane. that would include baggage handlers and caters to
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maintenance workers. there are about 80,000 people who work just at the airport, but only a limited number have the kind of security clearance to give them direct access to the plane. so that would be key. and in addition to that, let me just point out that they are looking at who the victims are looking at who the victims are and papers are report iing
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we're on the air right now. >> it just struck me. >> i'm just asking. i don't want to get into a chuck
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situation here. but if you want to, that's really interesting. so you let me know. joining us now is nbc news political director moderator of "meet the press." >> too much breaking news. >> can't even stand what we were just talking about. and ari fleischer, good to have you on board. i didn't get a thumbs up. so let's move on to politics. bob bennett of utah spent his final days apologizing on behalf of the republican party for donald trump. it had been in a fight against pancreatic cancer. in a quiet moment with his wife and son, he expressed his dying wish. >> he was concerned about a number of things. but it was very startle iing to when in the hospital he was
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talking to me and my mother and said are there any muslims in the hospital. he said i'm sure there are, dad. he said i would like to go up to every single one of them and apologize on behalf of the republican party for donald trump. >> the rise of trump appalled the three term senator, who was known to bring up the issue of muslims in america. but his wife said trump's proposal to ban some muslims has outraged the former senator, who would approach travelers in airports and tell them they were welcome here and would apologize on behalf of the republican party. it's not some muslims, it's a temporary ban. he had had no respect for donald trump and i think got angry and frustrated when it became clear the party wasn't going to steer clear of trumpism. the senator pass wad on may 4th at the age of 82. a lot of republicans are falling in line. >> they are. it's interesting that two of the
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most anti-trump voices in the republican party come from the state of utah. one in memoriam there in bob bennett and mitt romney. you have to also understand former senator bennett's concerns of that of a mormon. who has experienced prejudice basted on his faith. i think that is a part of this. it's certainly a part of his reaction. donald trump did horribly in utah. and remember we saw the polls and everybody is like what's happening. maybe this is what's happening. it's possible that a lot of mor moms say, wait, we have experienced prejudice. >> ari, how do republicans who are coalescing and getting behind donald trump one by one, how are they doing this? how are they dealing with some of these inconsistencies? i can't imagine they think a temporary muslim ban is
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something they would support. >> with hesitation and doubt is the answer for many people. but he's running against hillary so the choice is clear. there's a lot about donald trump i don't like, but i will vote for donald trump over hillary any day. in the case of the muslim ban, and i said that immediately, i'm opposed to it. this is not america. what america is is a welcoming, inclusive place where people become americans. >> but is that something -- i think a lot of our friends and we saw bob gates, he's raising the question of temperament because i don't think it's black and white. if you worked in the white house under george bush, temperament was central after running the country after 9/11. you think all republicans are going to brush aside the religious test? >> they are. >> some will, some won't, but we have to focus on not people like us. this is not about insiders. this is an election where the outsiders, the american people have been fed up with
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politicians for decades on what's going to allow donald trump to win. it's not about the sensitivity of insiders who think it's been done this way and need to continue doing it this way u. trump is running against the status quo. the muslim ban, as much as i don't like it, fits his overall narrative he's going to bring change. >> i think i want to piggy back. this is the risk the clinton campaign is taking with using the risky attack against him. i read this -- we know there's a split inside the democratic party about whether that's a good attack on him. >> it's never been the issue. >> the guy running the super pac for the democrats said careful with using the word risk. because there's upside with risk. it doesn't matter. maybe it's a 1% upside in your calculation, but you have a populous that maybe wants to roll the dice. >> the bigger picture is 70% of
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the american people think we're on the wrong track. so donald trump says we're going to change everything. everybody has been involved for decades saying, don't do it. hillary and these other people become defenders of status quo making trump the change agent. >> but asking you as a republican, play a game. what is worse about hillary clinton's policies or things she's said than the trump tempering muslim ban? >> the iran deal. hillary clinton is for the iran deal. the reckless use of a server that allowed them to have top secret american information. hillary is running to the left of bernie sanders. repudiating trade deals she used to be for. >> trump is not saying he's going to rip up the iran deal. >> i oppose that. >> she's not ripping up the iran deal. >> she's for the iran deal. >> he's not ripping up the iran deal. >> he said he wouldn't rip it
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up. >> what are you about his policies you're proud of? >> not much. there's a lot about him i disagree with. it's a choice. if this was an election between donald trump and joe lieberman, i would probably change parties. it's not. it's an election between donald trump and hillary clinton. >> so if a third option came in which is pretty much impossible -- >> i don't see it happening. >> two former republican governors teaming up. >> there's nothing about him that you like. >> i didn't say that. the biggest difference is from the private sector. and that's a profound on our economy, growth and how you lift people out of poverty u. >> help. i'm just trying to understand. the difference where there's no reason to vote for him but he's voting for him. >> but you're getting at the nut of why this is going to be a
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busineizarre general election. both of them are over 55% unfavorable ratings. people are not comfortable. i do think keep an eye out on gary johnson and bill wells ticket. i wouldn't be surprised. we have the polls coming out on sunday. our pollsters on the second night said we're getting an unusual high number of folks who are volunteering neither when you ask them the general election matchup. i'm not going to get into numbers, but it was like let's have a discussion. this is not a prompted. when you get unprompted like that, it just shows you there is an opening here and there's going to be the libertarian ticket. >> bernie sanders voters up for grabs? >> i think this is going to be much to do about nothing. some of them will be up for
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grabs, but the amount of sanders voters up for grabs is the same anti-trump voters up for grabs. it's going to balance each other out. >> how do you feel about the position jeb bush has staked out? he's going to vote for republican. but he's not voting for trump or clinton. >> jeb took a pledge in the campaign he would support the nominee. he's being inconsistent of his word. people are sick of politicians that don't stick to their word. >> you don't think there's any principled opposition? >> when you took a pledge, he should abide by the pledge. for george w. bush, mitt romney, they have the right to not support him. donald trump represents a lot of change. he's profound change agent. this isn't going to be a smooth transition if trump wins. the party has splits in it. but the democratic party is showing it too. >> that's for sure. but i don't understand you this morning. >> you have never understood me.
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>> i have. i know your type. my brother and his wife, you know his wife. i know you. chuck todd, thank you as well. who do you have this weekend? >> hillary clinton and mark cuban. >> oh, wow. >> good show. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> thank you very much. coming up inside the final 24 hours in flight 804, we talk about the shakedown to see who had access to the plane before it went off radar. we'll be right back. if you're told you have cancer,
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we have been updating you on the search for egyptair 804. the egyptian military says they have discovered pieces of the plane. joining us now tom costello, who covers aviation and has been covering this story nonstop since it broke. tom? >> mika, good morning. there are reports of pieces of the plane in the mediterranean s sea. there are reports they have washed ashore or found 180 miles north of alexandria. more questions than answers at this hour, but a growing number of clues that investigators are k lo iing at to determine what might have happened in the final moments before this plane van h i ished. investigators are zeroing in on egyptair's final 24 hours.
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it made five trips in the day before it vanished over the mediterranean. investigators are now combing through wreckers to see who had access to the plane including maintenance crews and baggage handlers, all under a magnifying glass. >> we have no claim of evidence this was an intentional act, but the fbi, as you would expect, is working with partners around the world to try to gain a better understanding of what happened. >> a major question. did a so-called back-door exist for someone to plant a bomb on the plane. intelligence officials tell nbc news that early data suggests some sort of explosion on board. >> they are also going to look for the patterns in the metal to say was any of the it splaed out and is there residue on that metal. >> it's only a leading theory and far from fact. though it's happened before. in february a suicide bomber
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blew a hole in an a-320. airport workers handed him a laptop inside the airport. and last october isis released this picture of a soda can bomb. >> it's rare, at least in the case of isis, for them to take more than 12 hours to issue an initial claim of responsibility for a major international act of terrorism. it is a rarity. that does not mean it never happens. >> another key piece of evidence, the plane's black boxes. inside recorded conversations between crew and any alarms or sounds of explosions. clues like plane performance data that could piece together this mystery. this morning los angeles international airport has stepped up security. as airports across the world confront yet another blow to aviation safety. we're talking about the black boxes and the need to find the black boxes and specifically they are looking or listening for the pinger.
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this is attached to the flight data recorder. it's a bracket right here. by the way, this is stainless steel or titanium and really crash resistant and this is the pinger right here. it's good to about a depth of 20,000 feet and 30 days of battery. so this should be giving off a signal for the next 29 days. the mediterranean is not that deep. so hopefully it will work just fine and can listen for it with that advanced sonar equipment on ships in the mediterranean. >> tom, thaing very much. up next, if the plane crash is tied to isis, does it change the calculous for america's mission to defeat them in syria and iraq. retired general ray joins us next and we'll talk about whether the terrorist group could have been headed off at the pass long ago. ♪ we do it for the ones who rise before it shines. the ones who labor for what they love. ♪
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i think that it is incredibly unfortunate not to speak openly about what's going on. american troops are in action. they are being killed. they are in combat and the semantic back flips to avoid using the term combat is a disservice to those who are out there putting their lives on the line. my view should have been at this point a year or two ago and the incrementalism has conveyed a lack of seriousness in tackling the problem or uncertainty about how to tackle it. so the basic strategy of where we are today perhaps with some additional capabilities is probably i agree with the notion of not sending large numbers of ground troops. >> joining us is retired general who most recently served as the united states army chief of staff. great to have you with us this morning. secretary gates was sitting in
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that very chair 24 hours ago. the state of the fight against isis and the way this administration has approached it. do you believe that the white house should be saying we are at war, we are using combat troops. you had a navy seal die a week ago. are we using combat troops? >> of course, we are. our special operation forces are our most highly trained that we have in the armed services. and isis, frankly, declared war on us so it's clear of their intentions. so i think the president understands that he doesn't want to get us entangled with hundreds of thousands of troops deployed around the world again. i understand that completely. but we have to realize in order to stop this, we have to be aggressive in smaller numbers, work with other nations in order to solve these problems. this is becoming a global problem. it's expanding. that's my concern.
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>> did it ever have to begin? was isis avoidable? >> i think it is. i'm not one for revisionist history. actually, september 2010 when i gave up command in iraq was the end of combat operations when u left. and it was in great shape. a fairly stable political system. there were signs that wouldn't be so stable. so it was going well. and i think if we had stayed, i u think it could have made a difference. you have to get the iraqis to approve that. secretary gates made a point yesterday that iraqis probably wouldn't let us bring in hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of people back into
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iraq for a lot of reasons. and so i think we have to now come up with a strategy that works within a political framework that's been established or disarray that we have in that region now. we have to really think hard through that. >> what do you think the impact of this presidential race and their jabs at each other and donald trump's comments on terrorism. >> i just think it confuses people. >> does it have an impact on national security? >> people don't understand where we are on our national security. i think i agree with what secretary gates said yesterday. there's enough of a discussion about it. we talk about the economy because that's important to a lot of people. but national security and the economy are directly linked to each other. you can't separate it and say i'm going to talk about the economy i'm not going to talk about national security. you have to talk about both. they affect both sides. so i have been disappointed in the fact we have not had a national security debate.
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it's important that we do. it's one of the reasons i'm here today. i want to see a national security debate. it's really important. this world is unpredictable. we saw it again yesterday how unpredictable it is. >> what's got to be at the heart of that debate that you want congress? >> i u think i want somebody to talk about what is our strategy? >> what is our strategy? >> i don't know. >> i think what he wants to do is through coalition capabilities solve problems. and diplomatic efforts first. we hear from diplomats he doesn't reach out. >> i don't disagree with that. but here's what i would say. in order to be successful on national security strategy, you have to combine diplomatic efforts with a strong military whether you decide to use it or not, you need the deterrence of a strong military and need to
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tie that to economic negotiations, trade, whatever it is. you got to do all three together. and i think one of the things i would say, it seems like we have been on separate lines. they are not connect ed. so the next presidential candidate has to connect those three together. and use all three of those things in order for us to try to influence what's going on around the world. >> on the military side, because obviously that's your specialty, what should we be doing to defeat isis that we're not doing now? >> i'm encouraged that we increased the number of people on the ground. i think we have continue to do that. e would like to be more engaged in syria. we're starting to be. you can't let them have a safe haven anywhere, which allows them -- what's happening today is the longer we allow them to hold ground in syria and iraq, it allows them to grow e in popularity. it can be just perception. what that's allowing is it to spread. it's spreading to north africa
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and other areas around the world. and now you have people being influenced to do attacks. even here in the united states, the popularity is growing. so we have to be a bit more aggressive. so we have to be more grease pitch i'd like to see continue to put numbers on the ground. that puts pressure on them. continue to try to build coalitions with other nations to put pressure on and go after the money. you got to go after the money. money drives everything. >> how do you do that? what does that mean? >> first, i've never seen us get together with international consortium to restrict any money involved or seen to be involved with supporting isis. we can do much more stringent agreements with people to go after these. they are selling oil, selling water, extorting people. we can help by taking that money away. what we learned when we took the
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violence down in iraq and afghanistan, when you take the money away it becomes really hard for them to continue. >> general ray odierno, thank you. >> always love having you. still ahead -- how do you solve a problem like bernie sanders? >> you have an answer to that, germ? >> the dnc extends an olive branch, but will it be enough? steve israel and democratic senator dick durbin both join the conversation. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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president george w. bush nicolle wallace and the president of the council on foreign relations, richard hoss with joe, willie and i. the egyptian military says this morning they believe the navy has found some belongings of passengers, even potentially parts of the plane itself from egyptair 804. they describe it as being about 180 miles outside of alexandria, egypt. the plane reportedly lost contact about 170 miles off the egyptian coast. a ministry of defense spokesman tells nbc news they are absolutely sure that the wreckage is from flight 804 and that all wreckage will be brought back to egypt for investigation. it's been more than 24 hours since the flight disappeared from radar and the cause of the apparent crash is still unclear purpose the missing egyptairplane took off from paris. radar last detected it flying
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over the mediterranean sea. egyptair has identified the pilot and co-pilot. both men had no known political affiliations and had passed security background checks. a senior u.s. intelligence official familiar with the region tells nbc news infrared and multispeckeral images strongly suggest there was an explosion aboard the plane. this is not a confirmation but a working theory for investigato investigators. >> with us now from cairo let's bring in correspond bill neily. give us the very later. >> good morning, guys. this is officially still a search and rescue operation, but rescue seems a long shot as there is no sign of life from flight 804. as for the search, as you say, egyptian officials seem convinced that they have found something off the coast of egypt near alexandria. plane debris and passengers'
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belongings, according to egyptian state tv. but none of this has been confirmed. remember the egyptians have been wrong before and wrong many times about plane crashes. so we really should treat this with great caution. i know from personal experience in the mediterranean and in the aegean, there are lots of life preservers from refugee boats, sunken refugee boats that float to the surface. many of which may well look like debris from an aircraft. so these are very early stages so far. i'm at cairo airport where investigators are meeting. three came in from france yesterday. also an airbus executive from france. investigators from britain. they are being assisted by about half a dozen nations both at sea and in the air. a u.s. naval search aircraft is taking part in that search which is over a wide area. and at thoue minute, we must
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stress no claim of responsibility from anyone. no direct suggestion this was all terrorism. all options remain open. >> this is one of those stories where literally every report you get is we don't know exactly what happened yet. we don't know -- >> we're pretty sure we know what happened. we're not going to say what we think happened, and we don't know what happened. >> but we're not going to churn ridiculously over and over about it. >> did you see this new poll out in "the new york times," trump and clinton. pretty extraordinary stuff as far as, it's a close race. but the disapprovals -- >> i just have never -- >> the honest and trustworthy numbers. this is mind blowing the overwhelming majority of americans think that neither of them are honest, neither of them are trustworthy, and they are both in the, i guess the thing that's changed now is that now instead of trump being in the
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60s, he's in the 50s. 55, 56, 57% of americans hate them. welcome to america. >> happy friday. >> happy friday! >> i mean -- >> but he's ahead. i thought of you when i saw the first poll yesterday. >> why did i think of you? >> because you call it. >> he's ahead in the poll. >> she's call it every time. >> the only good thing out of this is i'm getting a pickup truck. >> for the republican nomination. you can probably get like an aircraft carrier or something if you -- >> a helicopt capiter. there is politics now surrounding egyptair. they both say it appears terrorism was involved. it also touched off a back and forth after clinton was asked if she thought trump was qualified to be president. >> i do not. and i think in this past week,
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whether it's attacking great britain, praising the leader of north korea, a despotic dictator who has nuclear weapons, whether it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons. i know how hard this job is, and i know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it. and i have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> so today we had a terrible tragedy, and she came up and she said that donald trump talked about radical islamic terrorism, which she doesn't want to use. she used a different term because she doesn't want to use that term. she refuses to use that term. i'm saying to myself, and it's a terrible thing, and he essentially shouldn't be running for office. he doesn't have the right to run for office. i'm saying to myself, what just happened about 12 hours ago?
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a plane got blown out of the sky. and if anything, if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks, okay? >> by the way, clinton is now fund-raising aue ining off her that trump is not qualified. already trump is up and tweeting. "i said that crooked hillary clinton is not qualified to be president because she has very bad judgment. bernie said the same thing. and crooked hillary has zero imagination and even less stamina. i isis, china, russia, and all would love for her to be president, four more years. donald trump will be our guest in a few minutes. >> that's packing -- >> that's a lot. >> that's like ten pounds of sugar into a five-pound bag. >> no, that's a whole difference thing. >> two things in there. the bernie mention. he's going to leverage everything bernie has said. >> we have some bernie news. >> bernie is still going after hillary clinton. >> he's making headway, at
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least -- >> i agree. >> -- with the dnc. they are trying to work with him. trying to figure out how to make up for -- >> he's making headway. he's doing real damage to her. i think we've talked a second ago about trump being three points ahead of her. i think there's a direct line to the damage inflicted upon her from the right and the left of the ideological spectrum. >> the anger is really palpable out there toward the dnc from bernie supporters. of course nevada is the most extreme version of that, but you go online and you see what's being written, and you see the tweets. it's really, really palpable in a way that i think you're right. bernie supporters aren't just going to kiss and make up. >> i don't think so. yesterday we saw the fox news poll that shows trump at 45% and clinton at 42%. now this morning as joe mentioned, a "new york times"/cbs poll shows trump gaining on clinton as well.
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she now leads trump by six points in the national poll. down three since april. but both candidates are deeply flawed on the question of favorability. clinton at 31%. trump 26%. >> stop right there. >> is this what we've got? >> opinion of candidates. richard haas, a president that has to lead a nation into war or make a nation sacrifice financially perhaps in an economic crisis, let's put the numbers back up. again, they're stunning. not that i don't want to see richard's face, he is beautiful, but these numbers. 31% favorablity for hillary clinton. 26% for donald trump. how does a president lead? >> the one thing we know is whoever wins is going to inherit an extremely demanding inbox.
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this doesn't shout mandate. this doesn't shout a country coming together ready to step up and make tough decisions on the budget or deficit or taxes or big foreign policy questions. you always get the sense whoever wins is going to enter into the white house with a lot of headwinds and a real challenge to bring the country together to step up to some difficult decisions. >> what's makes it worse is trump is going to go after clinton with a vengeance. clinton has already promised to spend a lot of money going after him. >> there have been some things said that are just beyond the pale of what anyone would talk about. >> six more months of that. >> yeah. >> and how do those numbers get any higher? >> i think nicolle is exactly right. we never thought we'd be in a position where donald trump would have lock up the republican nomination before hillary clinton did the
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democratic nomination. his negatives probably won't go up as much because he's not getting attacked every day by a number of rivals. >> on all sides. that was one of the numbers i was most interested in. 47/47 will change. republicans are lining up in a real strong way behind donald trump. a guy that half of them seemed to hate like two weeks ago. >> an unpalatable thought a few months ago. there's no way i will support. never trump, never trump. now only 12% of republicans say they won't support him. this was an idea when it started a year ago that seemed impossible that donald trump could be the nominee, let alone be president of the united states. now prominent republicans and republican voters out in the country are saying, well, i guess we're doing this. >> over 8 out of 10 gop voters say trump deserves party's backing. of course, there's another poll
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question here that talks about, is your party divided? are you happy where your party is going? only 14% of republicans feel their party is united. 84% believe it's divided. and they have a grim view of the future for their party. >> i read this number four times last night when i got our note. i think this is the amplified voice of the gop establishment that exacerbates these figures. you look at where our voters are. 84% of our voters want the gop to get behind trump. if you look at whether or not we're divided, it's so out of whack with that number that wants everyone behind trump. this is sort of the effect of the amplification of the establishment voices who are still expressing concern and doubts about trump. >> and then there's the bernie sanders angle because does that play into these numbers do you think? >> yeah, i do. >> i wonder where they're going
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to go. >> i think they're totally up for grabs. >> that's the way to put it. >> they're up for grabs. 11,000 people in california? >> susan sarandon said something a few weeks ago when she said something about trump. said i'm supporting bernie, and then she basically said trump is the second sort of revolutionary out there. she backed off of that and susan sarandon, you can never see her going in with her ping-pong paddle doing the -- >> it's an amazing place. >> my son and i love going to -- >> i don't know what's you're talking about. >> it's an amazing place. >> but the mere fact that she would have trouble saying, why, yes, of course, i would go from bernie to hillary shows you just how deep the division is in that party. and you'll see some people voting for the green party. some people staying home. i don't -- i'm sorry, hillary and bernie are just two
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extraordinarily different political brands. they're not in the same universe. >> you're saying they're as different as bernie and trump. a lot of people that supported trump their second choice is bernie. >> no longer the principal identifying label in america. we're seeing in this election for the first time, or class, n sometimes we've become more like europe. i never thought i'd see class closer to identity than party. we're beginning to see that. >> the group of people that are up, just wide open waiting for somebody to run are millennials. they loathe hillary. they loathe trump. and they love bernie, but if bernie doesn't make it, you'll have 1 out of 5 voters, millenni millennials, the future of america wondering where they're going to go. look at the young faces in the crowd. >> you can't deny this that something is happening. >> even though they know he has no path.
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>> i feel like he hasn't told them that. >> let's not underestimate the intelligence of -- >> they know he has no path but they want him to have one. >> i wouldn't say absolutely no path. >> as the democratic nominee, he has no path. >> unless something -- >> unless the fbi -- >> unless she gets indicted. if the fbi steps in. i've got to believe that's part of their calculus. why would we drop out? >> their calculus is these people want us to speak and we're going to keep going because there's -- >> also he's 74 years old. it's not like he's going to play it safe for eight years from now. >> no, but -- >> too late for a bank shot. >> for bernie sanders supporters, this is not token opposition to the person they believe is going to be the nominee. they actually believe hillary clinton should not be the nominee. they believe at their core that bernie sanders should be the nominee. so my point is they'll not roll over and support hillary clinton for nothing. they want bernie to be the nominee, number one, but number
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two, they want to extract something from hillary clinton. >> and that whole system is rigged thing, they feel that way about their party. >> because it is. n that's the thing. there's a reason bernie sanders has gotten $27 per contributor. the guy has raised almost $180 million on small donations averaging $27. it's extraordinary. it's like anything in politics ever before, and the reason why is because he believes in something. he has a core set of beliefs that he hasn't moved off of since the early 1960s. he fights for it. his people know it. they sense it. and why in the world would he sit back and go, okay, well, the calculated move is to get out of the race and maybe i'll get a few things on the -- no, it doesn't work that way when you've been living this for 50 years. >> he has less lever aage now or -- >> no.
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>> still ahead our interview with donald trump. we'll talk to him about his new attack line he's opening up on the clintons, as well as how the u.s. should handle isis. with new terror concerns at airports and summer travel upon ut us, the tsa. we'll talk with senator dick durbin. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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joining us now, the presumptive republican nominee for president, donald trump. donald, are you there? >> i am. good morning. >> you've been up early this morning. >> i always get up early. >> tweeting early. >> i get up nice and early. >> why you tweeting early, donald? >> because i like tweeting and i like getting the word out. >> what word do you want to get out this morning? >> i think i've gotten the word
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out. hillary said some things. i said some things. now i go back to work and have a lot of fun. >> sounds like it. let's talk about a couple of polls out the last couple of days. a fox poll has you up a couple of points. this "new york times" poll that has hillary up a couple of points. but it looks like it's getting tight. the national race is getting tight between you two. >> rasmussen had a poll that had me up by five points yesterday. we're doing well. we're doing really well. getting tremendous crowds and enthusiasm. it's sort of interesting because i talk about hillary's bad judgment. i actually said that this morning to a lot of followers and a lot peeople that agree wih me. >> what's the worst example of -- you say she has horrible judgment. >> i can tell you a lot. libya is an example. just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. we knock out libya and you knock
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out gadhafi. she thinks we did a great job. more destabilization -- and isis has the oil. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. i would have stayed out of iraq, too. >> will you stay out of syria? >> i would have stayed out of syria and wouldn't have fought so much for assad, against assad because i thought that was a whole thing. you have iran which we made into a power. u ran is a power because of us because of some of the deals i've ever seen. so now you have -- so now you have iran and russia in favor of assad and we're supposed to fight the two of them. and at the same time we're supposed to fight isis who is fighting assad. >> a lot of people say you have an inconsistent foreign policy. sounds pretty consistent. you wouldn't have gone into libya. you've said you wouldn't go into iraq. you wouldn't go into syria. you wouldn't have fought assad.
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>> but i would go after isis big league. >> but you'll go after isis -- >> joe, isis is fighting. isis is fighting syria. so you have some people, most people, that want to fight syria and isis at the same time they're fighting each other. >> so assad can stay in power. that's not your interest -- >> no, i'm saying we have bigger problems than assad. >> militarily, you'd tell the generals, go after isis, but we're not interested in replacing assad. >> i would say knock the hell out of isis, which we could have done originally. we shouldn't have been in iraq. bad decision. then the way obama got us out was a horrible decision the way we came out. and i would have -- and by the way, isis was created because of that. because they wouldn't take them in because we had the wrong leadership. we put the wrong leadership -- >> i want to get specific on syria because there's a divide in the foreign policy community who say you have to replace
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assad and beat isis. there are others more realists who say, you know, assad is a horrible person but he stays there. our job is getting rid of isis. is that where you are? >> that's where i am. lindsey graham called me up the other day. he was very nice. that was a very surprising call. he was very nice. but i disagree with him on this. we have iran and russia totally on the side of assad. and that's not the reason i stay out necessarily but certainly it's a complicating factor. we have them totally on the side of assad. we have to knock the hell out of isis. if we're going after assad and isis and they're fighting each other, people are going to say, what the hell are we doing? >> people like myself have criticized barack obama. republicans have for eight years for not being good friends with our friends but leaning over backwards to help our enemies whether it's iran or cuba. this past week a lot of people confused because you're talking
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about sounding like obama is saying he'd go to north korea. you'd talk to north koreans -- >> i wouldn't go to north korea. the last thing i'd do is -- i would never go to north korea. i don't know who would say i would go there. >> you'll talk to the north korean leader? >> yes, i would. >> maybe he can go to your resort in scotland and you can talk there. you'd talk and then on the other side you're attacking great britain, our longest running ally. is there an inconsistency there? >> i'm not attacking great britain. where am i attacking great britain? i'm not attacking them at all. they asked me about the eu. i said, frankly, it's none of my business and i don't even like answering it, but, frankly, if i were great britain, i'd get out of the eu. i see what happened with the greek migration destroying europe. personally i'd get out, but i didn't want that to influence the people of great britain. >> you weren't going after davids cameron. >> i didn't go after him.
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you show me where. he'd like me to visit now 10 downing street. they put out that invitation about two days ago. i'll do just fine with david cameron. i think he's a nice guy. but they've asked me to visit 10 downing street. and i might do it. >> interesting. that's news. i thought i'd heard that you had said we might not have good relations with them. >> we're going to have good relationships. we'll have better relationships than we have right now, but all of these countries will not be taking advantage of us like they are right now. >> donald trump, thank you so much for joining us, i think. still ahead, the dnc is at loggerheads with bernie sanders. but new reporting this morning. they're trying to broker a deal with the senator who just keeps winning. we'll have senator dick durbin n congressman steve israel. whether all of this could be avoided when they join us, just ahead. this might look like a zero-gravity drop... but it's actually a triumph of predictive analytics. because of optum. through population health data,
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i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. when i came out and withdrew and endorsed senator obama, about 40%, according to polls, about 40% of my supporters said they would never support him. so i worked really hard to make the case as i'm sure senator sanders will that whatever differences we might have, they pale in comparison to the presumptive nominee of the republican party.
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>> well, the sanders campaign begs to differ. they said in a statement this, quote -- >> in the past three weeks, voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disagreed with secretary clinton. we expect voters in the remaining eight contests also will disagree. meanwhile, "the washington post" reports that democratic national committee plans to offer a concession to the sanders campaign. namely seats on a key convention platform in hopes of preventing an ugly convention fight. the decision on whether to make the offer is expected to come in the coming days. even with that offer, the sanders camp plans to extract additional concessions such as an increase in minimum wage and a more balanced position regarding israel and palestinians. that could lead to a bitter convention dispute. joining us now, democratic congressman steve israel of new
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york. also with us msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt who is covering the clinton campaign and author anand. >> things are looking rough in the democratic party right now. a big fracture this past weekend in nevada over only two delegates and the bernie team seems very upset at how everything is being handled. >> well, rough is relative. hillary clinton has 3 million more votes than bernie sanders. about 90 votes awauy from securing the nomination. this is just pregame. this is what happens when -- >> you think bernie sanders knows that? >> i think that bernie sanders understands that at a certain point the possibility of having donald trump as commander in chief, particularly after we heard that interview that you guys did, is just not an option. and we're going to have to have a conversation -- >> bernie is giving donald his talking points. you'll hear bernie sanders attack hillary clinton as unqualified.
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and then donald trump will say, hey, and bernie sanders is saying -- it happens every day. >> you're right. that's why the polling is what it is. donald trump has been able to consolidate his vote. rank and file republicans are saying we may not like him but we need to get behind him. on my side of the aisle we've not yet consolidated our vote. we will. we'll come ouft of this convention with a united democratic front. >> do you think clinton is confident this will happen or are they concerned about bernie sanders continuing to damage hillary clinton's candidacy? >> i think to a certain extent there's nothing more they feel that's going to unify the democratic party than donald trump. i think there are some questions about whether or not bernie sanders' supporters at the end of the day go to her or trump. there's some segment of them that are probably going to support donald trump. and i think the one place where bernie sanders potentially has
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more risk here is if he encourages them, that system is rigged argument is the same argument that donald trump makes. >> if donald trump is the reason that you think the democratic party will unify, why hasn't that happened now? >> because bernie sanders is holding three and four rallies every day and looking out at tens of thousands of people. he's, to a certain extent, a lot of this is really driven more than any other campaign i've possibly covered. this is driven by the candidate himself. what you are hearing is coming straight from the top. there were advisers trying to push him another way, but it's gone differently. >> hillary clinton goes back to 2008. i played good soldier for barack obama. clinton's people knew, the clinton brand was forged in pragmatism. >> position was negotiated out of that. >> we do what's required to win to get ahead to make incremental change. look at these bernie sanders rallies. they look luke bobby kennedy
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rallies. after bobby was shot, the family still couldn't figure out why a lot of bobby's voters went over to george wallace. people have said, these bernie voters are going to automatically go over to hillary. no. this is a movement. they have launched a movement. >> the sanders people that i know are not democratic party policy people. they want to throw out the car and get a new car. and clinton is a fix the car, get a new carburetor in there. and the sanders people want to get a whole new car. and i'm not -- i think you're right. that get a new car mentality for some of them will translate much more easily into donald trump than to -- >> why are they there? what's driving them? >> i think what i found, given it's obviously a very young group. and i think a lot of them are part of a generation who -- someone said, whose lives have never gotten to start. >> wow. really good way of putting it.
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>> you've been hearing europe for a while. this whole generation who went to college and never got a got and they're now 30 and i think that thing that's been happening in europe for a while is starting to happen here. >> you, obviously, have been a leader in the democratic party for a long time. one mistake republicans made who were running the party is to not realize the depth of anger among, frankly, their voters while its leaders were in washington. i sense that there may be something similar going on in the democratic party right now with when you have hillary clinton the sort of pragmatist and bernie sanders voters upset. do you think the democratic party is at risk of seeing the same split we've seen on the republican side? >> no question there's an historic broadcahistor ic breakdown, faith in government institutions. our major obligation, our major strategic imperative is to present policies to those
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voters. make sure that we -- we talk to them about how you stay ahead. how do you build infrastructure. >> is your party leadership blind to what's going on? >> i don't think so at all. millennial voters, 68% of young voters have an unfauvorable vie of donald trump. those voters faced with donald trump who says not only will he not support an increase in the minimum wage but wage is already too high, they'll not vote for that. they'll vote for hilry clinton. we have our work to do. no question about it. we can't take anybody for granted but i'm confident we have a path to a general election and donald trump has a much harder path. >> do you find any truth in the argument that part of what's motivated the sanders movement is the idea that the democratic party, which is the party of the left and of the working person lost its way a little bit and became too much a party of big money as much as the republican party had. do you think there's any truth
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in that argument and became too cozy with that world? the speaking engagement. is there any truth in that? >> i think the american people are angry at both political -- >> i'm just asking for your party. >> i've been outspoken about that. the truth is it's the democratic party that wants to pass the disclose act to require transparency. we want fundamental campaign finance reform. citizen powered elections and when it comes down to it, on substance -- >> i actually think that -- i don't even know how you say that when you have the front-runner of the republican party actually -- along with bernie, just out going to wall street. hillary clinton is the queen of big money this year. there's not a close second. >> one candidate supports the disclose act -- >> i heard you say that already. >> i'm agree with you that people are angry at both political parties. i've been outspoken about it
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that i am leaving congress because i can't stand to raise another dollar. there's an anger at -- >> but the -- >> we're the ones who tried to pass the disclose act and republicans -- >> congressman steve israel, appreciate it. >> kasie and anand stay with us. more on the democratic party with dick durbin. whether he thinks it's time for bernie sanders to pack up the campaign and head back to vermont. perhaps more importantly, are the chicago cubs in a slump? what's going on? you're watching "morning joe." h your morning is nothing new. introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. powerful relief from nasal allergy symptoms, all day and all night. try new rhinocort® allergy spray.
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the safety of the american public. and that's what we're focused on very intensely right now. >> that's is department of homeland security secretary jeh johnson addressing concerns over three-hour wait times at chicago's o'hare airport. the tsa is sending 58 new agents to ease the growing wait times as memorial day approaches. it also raises big concerns amid the ongoing terror threat. joining us from chicago, the assistant democratic leader, senator dick durbin of illinois. good to have you on board this morning. >> good to be with you. >> so we didn't even wait three hours on september the 12th, 2001. what's happening out there? >> joe, there's an increase in volume in passengers. a reflection perhaps of an economy that's getting stronger, and we haven't kept up with it in terms of screeners. we don't have the efficiency which we expect from tsa. the situation is complicated by airlines charging baggage fees
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and people dragging on their roller boards on to planes. all of these things are cumulatively resulting in this meltdown in chicago airports last week. >> how does it get fixed? >> we'll start today talking about specific answers. we need more screeners at o'hare and at midway, i might ad. more bomb-sniffing dogs. they do a heck of a job. >> is this a budget issue? do you need more money? >> it's part -- >> you said the airlines charging for bags and all of these inefficiencies up n down the food chain. >> when you have this mentality that we're going to freeze the budget, freeze the budget, you don't freeze the challenges that face us. and we have more passengers. last year tsa screened 708 million passengers. that was up 40 million over the previous year. so we've got to keep up with the demand for screeners and keep up with the volume. plus, we've got to move people
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to tsa precheck. i don't like the way that system works. it's too cumbersome, too slow. putting people in precheck going to move them through these lines dramatically faster. >> let's move to politics, if we could. we've got some reporting. kasie has been telling us about -- your candidate hillary clinton and bernie sanders possibly sort of ending the feud and coming together and unifying to support the party. yet i just can't see that picture yet given his crowds and what he's been saying on the campaign trail. how do you get from there to a picture of the two of them holding their hands up in the air and rallying the crowds toward hillary clinton? >> you ask hillary clinton and bernie sanders to look at donald trump and try to envision him as commander in chief. >> he's been there a while. >> here's what's going to happen. bernie sanders has every right to bring his campaign and his message to the democratic national convention in philadelphia. and he will decide, only he can
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decide, when his campaign will officially end. when the delegate count takes play, hillary clinton is going to be our nominee. we want to walk out of philadelphia unified. i want to be respectful of the amazing job bernie sanders and his followers have done bringing our candidates to the right values, dramatically bringing out crowds and votes that are going to help us win in november. >> it's kasie hunt. there's been reporting that you've spoken privately with bernie sanders in recent days. i'm wondering, do you feel like he's willing to be more conciliatory heards you and others in your party than he's being in public? he's ratcheted up the tone of this. has he reassured you at all that things are going to change, or is he just as aggressive privately behind the scenes? >> bernie called me. i was surprised. he called me the other day and we talked for a few minutes. we talked about the violence and
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some of the harassment and such that happened in nevada. he said, dick, that's not me. i said of course you do. you aren't the kind of person that would endorse that. you can't be held responsible for what everyone does who happens to be wearing a bernie sanders t-shirt. you have to say it forcefully with clarity that this conduct is unacceptable. he said i'm doing that. that is the key to it. i looked at it and thought why did he call me? we're friends, but i think in the end, he understands we have to make sure why come together as a party for the right values and right reason. making sure that donald trump is not the next commander in chief of the united states of america. >> senator, this is anand. i'm wondering if things go as they seem to be going and hillary clinton is the nominee, what will you personally and the party need to take away from the sanders phenomenon and perhaps change in terms of the course of the party? what have you learned that would make you say in this way we need to be a little different.
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>> i don't say this in a negative way, but i could give bernie sanders speeches. he's been telling us in the democratic caucus for years the message he brought to the voters across america. we listened n nodded and sometimes leaned in his direction. now he's taken his message out to america and the response is overwhelming. millions of people who say this is the course we need to follow. what is it? address income inequality for working americans. to make certain that wall street doesn't manage the political agenda in washington. to make sure that trade agreements don't export american manufacturing jobs. these are the things that bernie has spoken to and things our party needs to take as part of our message into november. >> senator dick durbin, thank you very much. >> greatly appreciate it. great to see you. >> anand, i think you mispronounced your last name. >> what's the exact
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pronounceiation. >> i said girdardas. >> so emphasis on the wrong syllable. talk to alex afterwards. >> wall street futures are looking up, but the dow is still on track for another losing week. we go live to the new york stock exchange. >> how do you pronounce your first name? anand. with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty
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jersey. there's nothing. there's nothing like new jersey. oh, wise guy. so many wise guys. i'll tell you what. you can make it in new jersey. you can do just about anything you want in life. >> if you make it there, you can make it anywhere. >> so earlier we talked to donald trump. and he had said he would have never gone into libya. the clinton campaign has fired out a response to that and i'm going to have you report that. i will say, here's from 2011. i can't believe what our country is doing, trump said. according to a buzzfeed transcript. gadhafi and libya is killing thousands of people. and we're sitting around. we have soldiers all over the middle east, and not bringing them to stop this horrible carnage. and that's what it is. it's carnage. and he goes on and talks about how it's absolutely nuts.
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we don't want to get involved and you'll end up with something like you've never seen before. so very clearly in favor of the libya invasion. >> and he says, quote, we should go in and stop this guy. and earlier on the show he said i would have stayed out. a little bit of a disconnect there. this plays very much into the frame the clinton campaign is working hard to put on donald trump. they are casting him as risky, particularly on national security, foreign policy. they, of course, want the conversation to be about this and not a lot of the other things donald trump has brought up related to the clintons personal life. >> time for business before the bell. sara eisen has got that. what are you watching this morning? >> we are looking at a higher open for stocks. but that doesn't change the fact that we're looking at another down week for the markets, which would make it four straight weeks of declines, something we haven't seen since back in 2014. what's ailing this market? the federal reserve. there are now bets the central
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bank may move to raise interest rates sooner than the market was expecting. we're talking june or july after a series of fed presidents have been on the wires talking about how they're itching to move. and minutes on wednesday. notes from the last fed meeting showing that they are looking to go earlier, which should be a good thing. but the market is spooked by the idea of higher rates. one stock i want to mention, one company we're watching closely is gap. reporting another sales decline. gap has been really hurting, having somewhat of an identity crisis. gap also owns old navy and banana republic. all three of their brands have seen declinie inine ining sales. gap will be closing 75 stores mostly internationally across old navy and banana republic. they are being hurt by the rise of zara, h & m and fast fashion so that stock has been killed. it's been done almost 30% this year. >> sara eisen, thanks.
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also try motrin pm to relieve pain and help you sleep. 40 years ago, you could come in here and watch the truly gilded people at play. scott fitzgerald brought the young hemingway here and fitzgerald and many of his characters got very drunk, made
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passes at beautiful women and got beaten up in fist fights. in the corner, cole porter scribbling music on a napkin. winston churchill sipping champagne. valentino and garbow being idolized. it was the literary n social mecca of the tomb and everyone seemed young and beautiful and rich. it was to here that the lost generation came to laugh at the rest of the world. >> that was 1971 reporting on the ritz hotel in paris. he died yesterday at the age of 84 just days after retiring from the show that he helped make legendary, "60 minutes." and he really was a legend. time now to talk about what we learned today. one of the greats. >> i just learned in that piece, still learning a lot about the ritz bar in paris. all i knew was in 1945, it was
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liberated by earnest hemingway. went in and liberated it from the nazis and had the first drink. >> his pieces are poetry. >> i also learned that our good friend anand doesn't know how to pronounce his name. >> three syllables. giridharadas. keep practicing. >> he can put it in the hair. >> what did you learn today? >> i learned from two guests that the revolts can be a gift, and the democratic party, democratic establishment is not receiving the gift that bernie sanders is giving them, which is information that if they don't change they'll have a trump years for now. >> i learned how to fly out of midway. >> very practical lady you are. >> a great point about the democratic party. bernie sanders and all of his supporters are giving them a very strong, loud clear message.
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they're just not listening. >> i don't think so. >> interesting. that does it for us. steve kornacki and craig melvin are co-anchoring the next hour. >> we forgot to talk about stucky. a good friday morning. i'm craig melvin live in paris, france, at charles de gaulle airport. a potential breakthrough into what happened to egyptair flight 804. a few hours ago, the egyptian military reported for the first time that it has found seats, suitcases and some other debris from that plane floating in the mediterranean sea. the greek defense minister says egyptian authorities told them that they also found part of a human body. the flight disappeared just over 36 hours ago. 66 people were on board. the debris was discovere

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