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>> i don't think so. >> interesting. that does it for us. steve kornacki and craig melvin are co-anchoring the next hour. >> we forgot to talk about stucky. a good friday morning. i'm craig melvin live in paris, france, at charles de gaulle airport. a potential breakthrough into what happened to egyptair flight 804. a few hours ago, the egyptian military reported for the first time that it has found seats, suitcases and some other debris from that plane floating in the mediterranean sea. the greek defense minister says egyptian authorities told them that they also found part of a human body. the flight disappeared just over 36 hours ago. 66 people were on board. the debris was discovered about
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180 miles north of alexandria, very close to where the plane dropped off the radar near the end of its trip from here in paris to cairo. officials are hoping that investigating the pieces of the plane can shed perhaps some light on what happened. right now still no indication of what brought down that plane although the civil aviation minister said the possibility of having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical error. others are refusing to speculate. france's foreign minister said there's no indication of a cause. the head of the fbi also agreed the jury is still out. >> so far at least, we have no claim of responsibility or evidence that this was an intentional act, but the fbi as you would expect is working with our partners around the world to try to gain a better understanding of what happened. >> we've got our team covering this. keir simmons is with me here in paris.
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ayman mohyeldin is in cairo where the plane was headed, and tom costello is keeping a close track of the investigation from there in washington. keir, there was just an evacuation here at charles de gaulle in terminal one. what can you tell us? >> some dramatic moments. the terminal one evacuated for a period of time. people pulled out. not knowing what it was. as you see so often with an evacuation. when it's in this kind of situation where a plane took off just days earlier and then dropped into the mediterranean, it frightens people all the more. it turned out to be a suitcase that was left. police checked it out. it turned out to be nothing. it shows how much tension there is. >> suspicious package. let's talk about the investigation. at this point it looks like perhaps some debris was found. yesterday there was also that false alarm. they thought some debris had been found. does it appear to be different? >> we have been cautious about it because of the reports yesterday that turned out not to be the plane. but now we're getting more
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specifics, and we're hearing it, too, from the egyptians and the greeks that this debris was found. they're talking about seats found, luggage found, they're talking about a body part found which will be so distressing for the relatives who are waiting for news. it was found. this debris found 180 miles off the coast of alexandria just south of where the plane went down. not far by the way from where yesterday they found that debris that they then said wasn't a part of the plane. that was on closer inspection, they decided it wasn't the plane, but it's interesting that not far away some time later they find what they do believe to be the downed plane. >> in the week of the attacks here in paris, i understand they ramped up security at charles de gaulle. they started keeping a very close eye, so to speak, on the employees. some 87,000 employees at this airport. what can you tell us about the security measures here, about the security apparatus in general here in paris?
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>> they really understood that the airport would be a target, even before the brussels airport was the target just a few months ago. so they ramped up security. they removed security passes from a number of members of staff here. they realized that if someone would be able to get into the airport as a member of staff, to infiltrate that security, that would be serious. we know that in somalia, perhaps even that plane that took off from sharm el sheikh in egypt. if this does turn out to be a bomb, there are going to be some questions here. at the same time, if it turns out not to be a bomb, there are going to be questions for the aviation industry, too, as to what brought down this a320. people today will be getting on flights not knowing what caused this a320 to go down. >> let's bring in ayman mohyeldin. standing by for us in cairo, egypt. a region of the world that you
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know very well. let's start with the mood on the ground and what folks in cairo are telling you about all of this. >> right now not a lot of information coming out officially regarding the investigation. the only piece of information today, that coming out from the egyptian military. surprisingly, though, we heard today from egypt's president. he offered his condolences to the family but at the very end of that press release said they were going to get to the bot omp this. they committed all the resources to get to the bottom of this and the truth would be established. we're here at the airport where a lot of the family members have gathered. there some are family members who felt it's time to move on in the sense that they already went ahead and held funeral services. we spoke to the brother of one of those victims today. he was very distraught. he got the news yesterday. the story heartbreaking.
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it was his brother, his wife and their two parents who were on vacation in europe for two weeks. they left behind two young daughters with their brother here. i spoke to that brother today who told me this is a very difficult time. they had a prayer service for them today following friday prayers here at a mosque in cairo. but in addition to that, we're also learning a little more about some of the other passengers that were on that flight. and that is what is making this very heartbreaking. a lot of the family members don't have a lot of answers. i spoke to another nephew of one of the victims of that plane crash. he showed up to where we are, where the media was asking us for information saying he wasn't being told what the status of the investigation was. he wanted more answers and wasn't getting it. we told him we don't have much more than what jupti iegyptian officials are telling us, but what we learned, egyptair releasing the images of the two
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pilots. the pilot and co-pilot. one identified as muhammad saidaly. more than 6,000 hours of flight time. and the co-pilot muhammad ahmed mamdouh. very experienced pilots. but overall the mood in egypt across the country still remains very somber. there are headlines today talking about the sadness that the families are going through on all the egyptian newspapers, but at the same time, there is some criticism that is being leveled by some of the state media against western countries saying that this is an attempt by some western countries to sabotage egypt's reputation and this defensive attitude among some of the state-owned media saying it's too soon to say this was terrorism and an attempt to try and degrade egypt in the eyes of western powers. a lot of mixed emotions at the airport in cairo. >> that accusation from state
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media would seem to be pretty ridiculous. ayman, as you know, october of last year, the plane that originated from sharm el sheikh, we're talking more than 250, 270 people killed on board. the air security, the airport security system there in egypt really came under fire after that. how has it been viewed since? have they made reasonable improvements to protecting the airplanes there? have they made reasonable improvements to screening passengers, screening employees there in egypt? >> it really depends on who you speak to. when you speak to egyptian officials, they'll tell you the airport security not only has been beefed up and is constantly under review and review for improvement but security at airports and airlines across the country are in line with international standards. they constantly subject those airports, security to screeners from international travel
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organizations and associations. and many of the flights that travel to, for example, the united states and europe in the case of the united states, the u.s. will verify that the security at the airport here in cairo is up to standards to allow direct flights to land in the united states. from some perspectives, from some industry perspective, they will tell wyou the airport security is in line with international standards. there remains scrutiny when it comes to some of the smaller airports like sharm el sheikh or others in the country where in the past there have been violations or at least breaches, if you will, of security protocol. the russian metrojet that took off from sharm el sheikh allegedly brought down by terrorists. the other thing has to do with the workers at the airport, the conscripts, the ability to get things through the airport without very heavy screening. >> ayman mohyeldin in cairo. stand by for me.
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nbc's tom costello covers aviation. he's in washington. let's talk about the investigation here. what are investigators doing right now to figure out what happened here? >> well, listen, all they really have to go on is circumstantial evidence. and that is that the plane disappeared from radar at 37,000 feet. we know where the debris has been found 180 miles north or so of alexandria. the black box and specifically the pinger on the black box. it's right here. it's attached to the flight data recorder. it pings for 30 days assuming the battery remains good, and it should. and the pinger is good for depps of up to 20,000 feet. out in the mediterranean sea, the focus is on finding more debris, suitcases, whatever pieces of the fuselage and trying to recover the victims but then honing in on the black boxes. how all of this relates to aviation security in the united states, the fbi saying that so far they don't see on the passenger manifest of known
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passengers any direct link to anybody on the u.s. terror watch list. nonetheless, as you would expect, they are very concerned about the overall security picture. here's the fbi director. >> we are very, very careful as a country to have learned lots of lessons since september 11th, including terrorist tradecraft. we are much safer than we were 15 years ago. we're never in a place we can be satisfied with that, but air travel in the united states, as against the terrorist threat, is far, far safer than it was 15 years ago. >> so as you know, the concern as it relates to this accident is the potential for somebody who to have smuggled on an explosive on to the plane through what they call the backdoor threat. somebody with access to the plane in one of the airports which the plane had visited prior to the trip from paris to cairo. you've got about four or five airports there. did somebody along the way, a baggage handler, a caterer, a passenger or crew member, did
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somebody smuggle something on to that plane? we don't know definitively that an explosive caused this crash, but the leading theory as stated by the greeks and egyptians thus far has been that it is likely terrorism. we won't know for sure until they find the black boxes but even then that's not going to tell them whether there was a bomb that went off. they might hear on the cockpit voice recorder a nanosecond of an explosion. that's what happened on metrojet. back in egypt and the sinai in october, when that plane blew up, that russian metrojet plane, when they listened to the cockpit voice recorder, they could hear a fraction of a second of what they were sure was an explosion and then found explosive residue among the debris or caked on the debris and that told them that was likely a bomb. the difficulty in this case will be that the debris is in the water, in the sea. but they will be looking for any tell-tale signs of an explosive.
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back to you. >> tom costello, thank you so much for walking us through all of that. ayman, i want to bring you back in. tom just raised an interesting point. investigators looking at where this plane had been before it took off from here in paris to cairo. tunisia. eritrea. what do we know about those places with regards to airport security? what do we know about that part of the world? >> we know that tunisia has a much smaller airport, and security there, there are no direct flights from tunisia to the united states. there are flights from tunisia to europe. there is some standard, international standard that tunisia must abide by. but is there a vulnerability in all of these smaller airports in some of these countries? many that rely on conscripts for security at some of these access points around the airports. t the answer to that is yes.
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and tunisia has experienced some terrorist attacks. they have a robust presence of militant groups in libya that have made it their point to try and carry out attacks and infiltrate attacks in tunisia. we're getting way ahead of ourselves to say there's a connection between tunisia and this particular incident but the climate of that country gives you the sense if the plane spent some time or a few hours on the ground in tunisia as it may have here in egypt and in ertreitrea those are going to be part of the investigation as they try to determine who may have had access to it. there are examples of bombs put on planes that have gone off after several days or maybe even several hours. there was the bomb used in the the lockerbie, bringing down of that plane. that was set on a timer. other examples as well. in the context of the investigation, everything is going to be on the table. investigators are certainly going to try and piece together the flight history of ms-804 and
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to determine who may have had access to it at any of these points. that's going to be a long and cumbersome process. the climate does not add to the confidence that the plane was always in very secure areas at all times. >> ayman mohyeldin for us in egypt. keir simmons with me in paris. and tom costello for us in washington, d.c. much, much more throughout the hour in paris. i'm going to pass it off to steve kornacki for the latest on politics. steve? >> thanks, craig. this question of the plane crash is now resonating in the presidential election. donald trump weighing in himself on jegyptair 804 tying it in against his message against clinton. >> another couple ever planes go down and you'll have a depression worldwide, the likes of which you've never seen because nobody is going to travel. there will be no anything. there will be no communication between countries. and you will have a problem the likes of which you've never seen. and i will tell you, four more
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years of a weak hillary clinton, and that's what she is. four more years of that, it will not work. it will not work. and all i did is point it out. and when you find out what happened to the plane, it will be exactly what i said. that plane didn't go down because of mechanical failure. >> this as polls show that race between trump and hillary clinton tightening. another new poll today showing a close race between them. trump's spokesperson katrina pierson is going to join me and hillary clinton declares herself the democratic nominee. can that split between clinton and sanders be bridged? ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile.
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what she has done for her to be able to continue to run is an absolute disgrace in my opinion to this country. a disgrace. >> donald trump in lawrence township, new jersey, yesterday going on the offensive against hillary clinton. after clinton called trump not qualified to be president in an interview. the presumptive republican nominee calling into "morning joe" a short while ago asking trump if he rushed to conclusions too quickly in yesterday's egyptair crash. take a listen to that conversation. >> i think the worry also is just how you will be as president and present your positions and your words. and there are some concerns you may be trigger happy with your words. for example -- >> i'm the one who didn't want to go into iraq. >> i'm even talking about for example the tweet you sent out yesterday morning -- >> what's wrong with them? >> i will tell you what some might say. >> go ahead. >> that it was very much generating hatred, focusing on
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the hatred and fear that terrorism brings. >> you feel that way, but i -- >> and maybe -- >> the plane was blown up, and i can practically guarantee who blew it up and the plane went down and -- >> donald, listen to yourself right now. >> the mind-set of a weak hillary clinton which is four more years of obama is not going to do it for our country, mika. >> yeah, and i'm asking you if there is any perhaps backing here to the concern that a lot of what you say is focused on hatred and fear and sort of jen ra generating more anger. for example, that tweet, maybe you might have thought of the families that were suffering first. >> let me tell you what i'm thinking of. i'm thinking of the future. we cannot continue to allow things like this to happen. we are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists, and we are -- this world is changing. and another couple of planes go down, mika, you'll have a
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depression worldwide, the likes of which you've never seen because nobody is going to travel. there will be no anything. there will be no communication between countries. and you will have a problem the likes of which you've never seen. and i will tell you, four more years of a weak hillary clinton, and that's what she is. four more years of that it will not work. it will not work. all i did is point out. when you find out what happened to the plane, it will be exactly what i said. >> all right. that was donald trump calling in to "morning joe" earlier today. now nbc's katy tur is on the ground in louisville, kentucky. trump will be there later today to talk to the nra. this is interesting. the nra we think in the republican primary such an important constituency. now trump turning to the general election. what kind of a message is he going to be bringing to this group today? >> well, he's going to be talking about gun rights. you can pretty much bet on that. it's part of his, trust me, i am
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right now he is the republican party's only option. so that's why she'll be voting for him. it will be interesting to say the least to see how he is received here at the nra convention. >> katy tur in louisville, kentucky. thanks for that. still ahead, a new poll shows the race for president tightening. but the headline may be deeper within the numbers. both candidates with astronomically high unfavorable numbers. all sorts of questions, all sorts of doubts about both leading candidates. that's what the voters are saying in yet another new poll this morning. details on what those numbers are saying. we're also going to talk with trump's spokesperson katrina pierson n michael steele. and we'll also go back to paris for the latest there on that investigation into the crash of egyptair flight 804. how will vf gainvestigators go determining if terrorism was the cause? one coat, yes!
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welcome back to msnbc. i'm craig melvin in paris, france. the egyptian military says it's found debris in the mediterranean sea from missing egyptair flight 804 including parts of the airbus a320 along with some of the passengers' belongings. about 180 miles north of the city of alexandria. the greek defense minister says suitcases and a body part were also among the grim findings. the news coming after an earlier announcement from egyptair that debris had been found before retracting that statement. that happened yesterday. the airbus jet vanished early thursday over the mediterranean with 66 people on board. terrorism has been cited as a potential cause but at this point, officials are cautioning against speculation. there's been no credible claim of responsibility from any terrorist group so far. joining me now, aviation safety analyst and former senior air
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safety investigator with the ntsb, greg feith. here we are more than 24 hours into this. how surprised are you that we have not been able to narrow down a very specific location of where this plane went down in the mediterranean yet? >> craig, i'm very surprised. unlike mh-370 where we lost radar coverage because of the ground based system and the aircraft went into an area not covered even by satellites, the indian ocean, this particular part of the mediterranean is covered not only by egypt but by greece, civilian and military and, of course, with all of the other military assets and capabilities in that area, i am just very surprised that we didn't have coverage all the way to the water and we should be in wreckage retrieval mode today rather than still searching for the airplane. >> especially considering how close it was. less than 200 miles from the egyptian border. let's talk about the debris
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that's been found. not a lot to work with at this point it would seem. talking about it reportedly two of the soot seats in the aircr body part. some of the passengers' belongings. how much is this going to help investigators? >> i think right now, craig, that information, at least it starts the process. if, in fact, unlike yesterday where they thought they had parts of the airplane and had to retract it, if they can confirm this is from the airplane, now it's going to be a matter of determining based on drift patterns where the main body of wreckage is on the sea floor. that will start to help not only get the families at least some information about the actual fate of their loved ones but for the technical investigation, investigators can start not only retrieving wreckage and victims but go after the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder which will get the technical portion of this
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investigation kickstarted. >> besides the physical evidence that we're talking about here, what else are investigators going to be looking at? folks on board. who had access to the plane, not just here at charles de gaulle but at some of the other airports as well the plane made stops at the days prior. >> absolutely, craig. one of -- there's going to be basically two parts to this. of course, it's the security part. what was going on with this airplane as it flew through the five routes before the accident? who had access to it? are there any nefarious groups there and any actions that could have taken place outside of charles de gaulle on one of the other flights where some explosive-type device may have been put on the airplane because of security and things like that. so that's the security part. and then, of course, investigators are still looking at aircraft records to see if there's any technical issues. mechanical problems that may have been systemic that could
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have caused or contributed to the accident. they'll be poring in depth with all of the information, especially the radar data, that the minister of defense used yesterday to give us a good indication as to the final moments of the airplane. the fast descent, the turn to the left and the spiralling to the right. investigators will be looking at that to try to determine whether or not that was because the pilots were still trying to fly the airplane or the movement of the airplane was the result of an explosion as early intelligence may have indicated. >> greg feith, former ntsb analyst, investigator. i'm joined by malcolm nance. egypt's aviation minister again saying terrorism more than likely to blame for the plane's disappearance than any sorlth of technical problem. it's important to point out to our viewers and li erer erers a
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very early in the investigation. based on what we know, what your assessment? >> it's surprising they came out so soon to say they believe it's terrorism versus technical. of course, anything we say now is clearly speculation. but the very fact that this aircraft was operating perfectly in the cruise mode at 37,000 feet, 10,000 meters and should so quickly lose communications, disintegrate and then come down over the mediterranean sea is an indicator there was a catastrophic effect. catastrophic to the point all electrical systems on the aircraft, which control communications, data links were all completely cut. though it's quite possible in a remote way that it was massive air frame structural fail purp most times we see incidents like this over the last two decades has been a bomb on board which has blown a hole into the
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aircraft and caused that structure to come apart. >> if this was something sinister, if this was, in fact, a terrorist act, why then has there not been a claim of responsibility so far? >> you know, terrorist groups each have individual reasons for why they do or do not make claims quickly. we can't say that groups like isis come out very quickly or groups like al qaeda want to go out and take that claim. the very fact this aircraft if it was an act of terrorism was lost over water was designed to draw out the news media attention to it. sort of like the mh-370 incident in which the media feeds on it for a long period of time. that benefits the mystique of whoever did this act, if it was an act of terrorism. but on the, hand, we've seen terrorist groups, al qaeda, al shabab. they took up to 14 days to claim the bombing of their laptop bombing on an aircraft in
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somalia just a few months ago. you can't read anything into the immediate or delayed claims of a terrorist group. >> i want to go back to something that ayman and i talked about at the top here. the stops this plane made in the days prior to the trip from here, from charles de gaulle to egypt, eritrea, brussels. we know it stopped in tunisia as well. anything about those particular locations raise red flags with you? >> only in the sense that if you take a look at the strategic picture of this act, if you -- if this device was placed, if it's a terrorist act, and was a device placed on board and it was done in paris, why wouldn't they have gone to the extreme of putting it on to an egyptair airliner when they had hundreds of flights, trans-atlantic flights, large european airliners which could have carried 200 or 300 passengers and give them the terror returns
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they want in the media. the entire, you know, focus of this incident has to do with egypt. and if something occurred, the most likely scenario is that a device got through security in egypt or on an -- in another country traveled around into europe and then surprisingly, the device, if there was a device, was detonated as it entered egyptian air space. there is far too much focus on all of these factors which would lead an intelligence analyst to say, hey, this has egyptian origins. it has egyptian, you know, fingerprints all over it as opposed to someone who just wanted to attack the united states or the west. they could have chosen any airplane in paris, charles de gaulle. >> msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nance. always appreciate your insights, sir. coming up, steve kornacki will return with a spokesperson from the trump campaign.
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you're running against a rigged political system and rigged economy. bernie sanders is running against a rigged political system and a rigged economy. you have a lot of animosity and distrust for hillary clinton. bernie sanders clearly has a lot of animosity and distrust of hillary clinton. would you take a few minutes to talk to him and consider him as your running mate? >> oh, wow, that's a great question. we have one thing strongly in common. we know that the united states is being taken advantage horribly on trade deals. the difference between bernie and myself is that i know how to make those trade deals fantastic, and he doesn't. he has no clue. >> donald trump calling in to "morning joe" this morning talking about a little bit of common ground he shares with hillary clinton's democratic opponent bernie sanders. katrina pierson is the national spokesman for donald trump's campaign. he's talking about bernie sanders there. certainly looks like he's trying to sort of sow the seeds of
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disunity there on the democratic side. not a new political tactic. let me ask you about the poll this morning. there's this new national poll. it is a tightening race between headquarter a hillary clinton and donald trump. 47% to 41%. this is a cbs news/"new york times" poll. another poll this week put trump ahead. from your standpoint, i see it's good news there. let me look inside these numbers with you. this favorable/unfavorable question for both candidates. check this out. each candidate, trump and clinton, over 50% unfavorable. trump just 26% favorable. clinton just 31%. when you look at these numbers, you have to say it looks like voters right now are voting against candidates more than they're voting for candidates when they look at this matchup. >> i think that is fair to say, but i'll also point out in the fox news poll it shows his unfavorables, mr. trump's unfavorables closing the gap
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already within ten points in a very short period of time. as you've mentioned in the nbc poll, it definitely looks like that gap is closing nationally which is extremely important. i think what's really telling are the independents. right now mr. trump has been ten points on hillary clinton, and that's a big deal. >> but are you, from a strategic standpoint, are you okay with the idea of winning this election by being the lesser of two evils in people's minds or do you think those numbers can be brought up? >> i'm convinced those numbers can be brought up for mr. trump. and moft people in politics do choose to vote for the person that they like the best. that's just the nature of the beast. but i'll also say that we have plenty of time to change those numbers. in the republican primary, mr. trump turned that gap around within three months with his unfavorables, and even among women. the difference between mr. trump and hillary clinton, as far as unfavorables is hillary has been running for president for 25 to 30 years. donald trump hasn't even been running for one year and we're
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just now about to get to the contrast between donald trump and hillary clinton on policy. that's where you'll see all the difference. >> this is from charlie psyches, a radio host in wisconsin. people may remember in the wisconsin primary he was very critical of donald trump. one of the reasons maybe trump lost wisconsin. he tweeted this out. charm offensive. i just got a handwritten note from donald trump. seriously. apparently reaching out to never trump. so charlie sykes, an influential radio host out in a key swing state saying donald trump personally wrote him a note. is he reaching out behind the scenes to the never trump movement? >> what you're seeing is this is normal donald trump. mr. trump has done these things essentially his whole life. there mr. trump is not the enemy here to conservatives or even republicans, though he's been painted that way. mr. sykes was on television not too long ago because one of the -- he applauded mr. trump on his supreme court picks.
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i thought that was probably just a thank you for acknowledging that. this is who mr. trump is. he doesn't do things to get the attention. and he does so many things behind the scenes that help so many people that acknowledges people, that thanks people. he has a tremendous amount of gratitude for those who have been very supportive and that's the donald trump most people haven't seen and they're going to. >> katrina pierson with the trump campaign, thank you. let's bring in michael steele. these negative ratings for trump and clinton, likely the two general election candidates. i know it's standard in politics, every four years we look at the two candidates and say is this the best each party would coming up with? even by that standard, i'm struggling to think of numbers this bad for both candidates. >> yeah, i think it's a reflection of where the politics has come to. hillary clinton has had a 30-year relationship with the american people.
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and this is what they think of that. donald trump has had a different kind of relationship with the american people. first in media and entertainment. and now politically. and i think in his effort to pring some of that entertainment and reality television stuff into politics, yeah, it has hurt him. so the question for both of them is, how do you course correct? how do you undo or unring the bell ringing for hillary clinton for the last 30 years in the public perception and how does donald trump unring that bell on mexicans and muslims. voters are going to vote. they may hold their nose. they may close their eyes but they will vote and you don't want to be in the situation where you're getting the vote because i like you less than i like the other guy. but i don't like you either. >> voting against candidates. >> these numbers can move. i remember hillary clinton when
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she was secretary of state, her favorable/unfavorable was probably the reverse of what you're seeing on that screen right now. she's probably doing even better. i think up in the 60s just a couple of years ago. and trump and the republican party made this point within the republican party, he reversed his image over the course of a few months. both have shown these numbers can move. >> they can move, and they will move, but the question is how will they move. to what extent when you now have the contrast of two very polarizing figures in politics who are against each other, the question becomes how do the american people begin to settle down? you'll see these numbers go up n down between now n september. once you get past that labor day window and you know this well, that's when voters really begin to settle in. they take in everything they've absorbed over the summer n the spring, and they begin to fine tune their thoughts about these candidates. between now and then, there's a
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lot of volatility. they'll move positive and negative. labor day we'll begin to tell the tale of where the voters are going to settle on each of these candidates. >> michael steele, thanks, as always, for the time. when we come back, we'll go back over to paris. craig melvin is there with the latest on egyptair flight 804. or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong? gynecologic cancers - cervical, ovarian and uterine cancers - have symptoms. so pay attention. if your body says something may be wrong.... please listen if it goes on for two weeks, see a doctor, it may be nothing but find out. learn the symptoms. get the inside knowledge about gynecologic cancers. i like the bride more than the groom. turquois dresses... so excited. did all her exes get invited?
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egyptair flight 804, we continue to follow breaking developments. nbc news has learned that u.s. government officials are leaning closer now toward the idea that the culprit was a terrorist bomb. i'm joined now by nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delany.
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ken, good morning to you. what more have you lendearned? >> good morning, craig. u.s. officials are telling nbc news over the last 24 hours they have gathered information and honed their analysis that's increasingly firming up the idea that a bomb brought down this airplane. there's no definitive piece of evidence and the analysis could change, but they have gathered information from sensors and other data and analysis of radar that's suggesting to them that a bomb is a likely culprit. i mean the first data point starts obviously with the unexplained descent of the airplane with no known weather issue, but they're looking at other data points. a sophisticated analysis of radar and some other things that are highly classified. the intelligence community has the ability to gather obviously imagery but also sound and chemical signatures and things that are leading them in the direction of a bomb. we are cautioning that there's no definitive piece of satellite imagery.
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craig. >> can -- if it was a bomb, if it was a bomb, how do they think that it got onto the airplane or have they reached a conclusion on that? i know it's still very early. >> obviously they're working those theories and that analysis as well. there's two leading theories, obviously. one would be that a sophisticated device was smuggled through french security lines, and that is an incredibly troubling theory to the united states because the french use the same technology and same methods that we do. another theory an airport insider somehow hid the bomb. we know that 70 french airport employees the their badges revoked after the november terrorist attacks over radicalization issues, so there's a problem there at the french airport. >> we do know that you mentioned the badges that were taken. there's some 87,000 employees or contractors here at charles de gaulle international airport and we're told that they are looking at employees as well, something that of course is somewhat
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customary in a situation like this. ken, nbc news investigator, intelligence and national security reporter. ken, thank you so much, sir. >> thank you, craig. coming up, my colleague chris jansing joins us from paris. she has much more in the latest developments of egyptair flight 804 plus steve kornacki will be back to explore donald trump's upcoming speech to the nra in louisville this afternoon as well as the question of unity within the democratic party. stick around. n't ame you. it's a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. no, i'm actually over at the ge booth. we're creating the operating system for industry. it's called predix. it's gonna change the way the world works. ok, i'm telling my brain to tell the drone to get you a copy of my resume. umm, maybe keep your hands on the controller. look out!! ohhhhhhhhhh... you know what, i'm just gonna email it to you. yeah that's probably safer. ok, cool. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis
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standing by. good morning. i'm chris jansing live in paris and behind me you're looking at charles de gaulle airport. one of the key questions this morning is did something happen there that brought an egyptian airliner to a catastrophic end? let's get to the very latest right now with hopes high this hour that investigators may be getting closer to finding out exactly what brought down egyptair flight 804. this comes after word that the
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egyptian military says it's discovered parts of the plane and passenger belongings. the greek defense minister says at least one body part is floating in the mediterranean sea. egyptian officials have not confirmed that. we also got word a short time ago from the european space agency that one of its satellites has spotted a possible oil slick in that area where the plane disappeared. right now terrorism is the leading theory of what happened but multiple officials stress nothing is conclusive. here in france, officials urge caution. there's still no word on the plane's black boxes, no indication that any of the 66 people on board may have survived. so all of that leads us to this fundamental question. why would a plane that was so close to its dozen nation at a comfortable cruising altitude in clear weather suddenly drop out of the sky with no word from the pilots or the crew? we have a team covering all the angles for you. ayman mohyeldin

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