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the 2013 campaign for mayor here in new york. an eye popping cringe inducing detail. we also speak to that campaign's communications director barbara morgan. until monday from us i'm back he's here.f we'll see you on monday. coming up hardball with chris matthews. urban cowboy let's play hardball. good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. on guns and terror donald trump spent the day chasing the cowboy soul of the republican party. he spoke at the nra's national forum this afternoon and picked up the national group's endorsement. he said hillary clinton wants to take people's guns away from them. and abolish the second amendment. >> the second amendment is under a threat like never before.
crooked hillary clinton is the most anti-gun, anti-second amendment candidate ever to run for office and as i said before, she wants to abolish the second amendment. she wants to take your guns away. hillary wants to disarm vulnerable americans in high crime neighborhoods. whether it's a young single mom in florida or a grandmother in ohio, hillary wants them to be defenseless. wants to take away any chance they have of survival. hilla hillary's pledge to give anti-gun orders. this is the behavior of a dictator of someone frankly i think that doesn't know what she's doing. she's not equipped to be president in so many different ways. >> well, mr. trump spent the morning knocking hillary clinton and sounding tough on isis. he tweeted, quote, crooked hillary clinton looks presidential? i don't think so. four more years of obama and our country will never come back.
isis laughs. and more crooked hillary has zero imagination, less stamina. isis china, russia would love for her to be president. trump said president obama and hillary clinton's response to terrorism has been too politically correct. here he is. >> we can be politically correct, we can be nice. we can't afford to be nice and foolish anymore. isis is laughing at us. we can't continue to let things like this happen. we are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists. and we are -- this world is changing. another couple of planes go down, and you're going to have a depression worldwide the likes of which you've never seen. because nobody's going to travel. i will tell you four more years of a weak hillary clinton and that's what she is, four more years of that, it will not work. it will not work. >> robert costas national political reporter for "the
washington post" and msnbc political analyst. and my colleague is an msnbc anchor. >> that trumps it. >> i'll start with howard. it seems to me he's fought with the neo cons and establishment beat them all. there's a soul of the republican party. he's going for the guy, probably a male, probably a white male who lives somewhere in michigan, pennsylvania in addition to the appalachian area, guns. if you're for guns, you start at the mississippi river and go up to the edge of california you have gun people. he's picking up the east coast part of that. michigan, pennsylvania, kentucky, wisconsin. he looks like strategy to me. he got their endorsement today. >> that's right. you and i are both from pennsylvania. guns are big in pennsylvania not because of people hunt deer, but
because it's symbolic. >> who was the last all out liberal senator from pennsylvania? joe clark beaten in '68 on the gun issue. >> the point is it's not the gun themselves it's what the guns symbolize to people he's appealing to. the idea of we're not relying on the government for protection. it's a symbolic thing. it's men and white mostly. if trump is going to have a chance in the states you're mentioning he's going to have to draw hugely from those voters. they're frankly going after them and that's what this is about. >> it's not so much an argument. hillary clinton has been clear. she's been pushing gun safety. i was watching her a month or so ago you're taking a chance being so strong on gun safety. i know it's the loop holes, but to the people who are second amendment people it's a threat to them.
anyway, i think she's staked out a strong position on gun safety and she's got to deal with the results. >> you know, i mean, running against bernie sanders, of course, bernie sanders has a position on guns that is closer to the nra, and hillary clinton has been using that to get to his left on an issue. you have to remember they're speaking to two different audiences. trump is getting to zero. he's doubling down on the kinds of voters who are already republicans, consolidating all of the different boxes he needs to tick under the republican party base. under himself providing no alternatives. he's with everybody, the gun folks, for hillary clinton it's different. she'll be tomorrow with the mother of trayvon martin in florida. she is going after a different kind of voter, the suburban woman who is concerned about gun safety. who is looking at something like sandy hook and saying that's a horror we need to do something about. the more than 70% of americans, especially in the suburbs and people of color who are very concerned about these laws, she's bringing out her base. they're both basically getting to zero and trying to bring out their base.
>> i'm so with you. let me get back to you robert costa. in terms of the decision was this a decision at all on his part? was trump going to do this? he got the national endorsement of the nra. he got paid value to go give the speech. >> it's a political move. it's a chess move. look at pennsylvania, we're talking about pat toomy up for senate reelection. he's a big republican on background checks. but trump by cozying up to the nra he's looking for the center of pennsylvania, the more rural part of the state trying to get working class independents and conservatives to come after him in major numbers. >> my brother you live to the west of allen town. he's with those guys all the way. hillary clinton pushed back hard against trump yesterday calming his positions -- here's her reaction. in addition to what you said, here is the tough language, she's potentially dangerous. let's watch. >> the kinds of positions he is
stating and the consequences of those positions, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they are potentially dangerous. >> she wants to make him to barry goldwater a guy who an itchy finger on nuclear weapons, it's dangerous. >> it's interesting donald trump has said as recently this morning on "morning joe." he repeat. iraq was a mistake. libya was a mistake. i would not go to syria. so on the one hand, he's playing the isolation guy in terms of the middle east. on the other hand he's talking big and talking loud about arming other nations with nuclear weapons. and the rhetoric that he's taking -- >> explain that. what's the logic? there's a logic to what he's doing. there's inconsistencies. he's saying we're self-reliant
americans screw everybody else we're looking out for us. number one. >> right. al they're going to try to claim the mantle of ronald reagan on this, believe it or not. because ronald reagan was not a guy who sent troops to a lot of places. he was a guy who flexed american muscle by building up the pentagon and then cutting a deal with the soviets. that's who they're going to claim. whether they can realistically make that claim i don't know. that's the claim they'll make. >> so true about reagan. even when there was the plane went down over south korean, the american soldier was killed along the dmz in east berlin. rather reagan did not go to war. your thoughts, robert? i think reagan -- >> it's old school. >> the gold standard for the conservatives. >> you call him an urban cowboy, he's a certain kind of urban cowboy. howard is spot on. we're looking at trump going to old school repiublicanism. he's been talking to jim baker,
he'll meet with bob corker. he's not meeting with the george w. bush people. >> robert kagan in a reasonable neocon sticking it to him. >> by the way a lot of the other neocon types they don't want to have anything to do with him. >> at some point the big story will be when hillary grabs some of them. new national pole for "the new york times" shows clinton with a six point lead over trump. 47%, 41%. that is down from a 10 point lead. in this poll trump is closing. there's evidence the republican party's falling in line behind trump. 80% of republicans, four out of five say their party leaders should support trump. joy, this is a coming home faster than i expected to the party. there are people historically
more obedient than democrats. it's like catholic school to public school. they don't talk unless spoken to. they do fall in line, they don't fall in love. this is quick to fall in line though. 80% say do what he wants. >> i think it's one other example of the fact that you know, there are certain number of elites in the republican party, really more in the conservative movement. the neo cons, the ericksons of the world who detest donald trump because he refutes the idea that their version of conservatism has a broad base. quite frankly what donald trump has disproved is the base is as big as they thought it was. look at the end of the day, republicans come home to the republican and democrats do the same. any republican would be at around 40% 44%. that's the way it is. >> the best question for you. okay ready? 88% is accounted for. 47%, 41%.
who is the other 12% that can't decide between hillary clinton and donald trump? who is it? let's guess about that. you start. who is in that 12%? >> we're talking about what you call the suburbs and exurban voter. that's all you have left. who trump is talking to at the nra and doing the spaghetti western version of ronald reagan. >> did you just think of that? have you been saving that baby? >> he's doing that, right? trying to be a reagan kind of guy. those people are already republicans. there's nobody new there. what these guys are voting for are suburban women. i think that's what it is. the suburbs. >> i would add -- >> i'll let van cleef. >> hispanics in certain states. >> cuban americans? >> leave them out of the equation. but talking to the trump people, they know they're not going to get 40% of the hispanic vote nationwide. they're looking at states in the
middle, pennsylvania, ohio to take two where there is some hispanics that they think they can get as part of the macho to use the spanish. >> i get it i get it. >> part of the macho culture. men or woman but hispanics. he has to get his numbers up with those people. that kind of appeal today, they think is one of the routes to those people. >> let's get the final point here, donald trump last week told george stephanopoulos his tax returns were none of your business, none of george's business. he could be the first major party candidate in 40 years to refuse to release his taxpayers. there was a time when trump's tax returns were made public. the disclosure in a 1981 report by new jersey gambling regulators reveal the investor had for two years taken advantage of a tax code provision popular with developers that allowed him to report negative income. robert costa does that many
anything to anybody today back in the late 70s he found a tax break he exploited? bas >> you got a sense that many people in the real estate industry they often pay no income tax at all because of the way it's set up. it's not so much about revealing his fortune, about revealing his lack of a ret. >> i think that's a problem. then you all sort of smell this out? real estate allows you deappreciation on property? >> yes, here's the amazing thing. it's become a standard procedures to release the returns, even mitch mcconnell said people usually do that. he said that just the other day. my sense and robert may know differently. from my reporting tells me they think they can tough this out. >> i know. >> somehow they're going to go all the way from here to november and not release -- >> >> i agree. >>. this is so tough it's like i'm not going to debate. >> i don't know if they can get
away with it. >> i don't know. we'll see. obviously, it has something he doesn't want public. robert costa -- when in doubt -- if it looks better than it is they don't say anything. if it's worse than it looks there's a reason. thank you, thank you. everybody have a good weekend. to be sure -- we'll be sure to join joy this weekend at 10:00 a.m. eastern for her show a.m. joy and her special guest harry reid. is that saturday and sunday? hillary clinton says she's going to be a democratic nominee that's a fact. bernie sanders is going all out to win california and come into the democrat convention at the height of his political powers. despite that show of force, he's telling democratic leaders he'll be on board as clinton takes on donald trump. that's ahead. plus the latest on the investigation into what brought down that egypt airliner over the mediterranean. the cause of the crash remains as we know now a mystery.
donald trump says it was a mistake for the united states to intervene in toppling kadafi. in 2011, the year we went in there, trump was calling for military action. hmmm. will voters give him a pass on his changing positions? the behind the scenes story of the camp david accords. this is hardball, a place for politics. around here the early bird
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checkpoint at the southwest corner of the white house grounds. when the secret service agents ordered them to drop the weapon, put it down, when he refused one of the agents shot the individual once in the chest, he's currently at the hospital in unknown condition. he's identified as jessole vara of pennsylvania. it's said by u.s. federal officials it's believed that this was an attempted suicide by cop. that the suspect actually said that he wanted to die before he was shot. >> was the president in any kind of danger? >> reporter: actually the president was in no dangero. he was golfing somewhere. joe biden was here. the whereabouts of the first lady and two daughters at the time is unknown. >> thank you. hardball returns after this. coa!
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before we will have the opportunity to defeat donald trump, we're going to have to defeat secretary clinton. we're going to continue to fight for every last vote until june 14th and then we're going to take our fight into the convention. welcome back. bernie sanders says he wants to defeat hillary clinton. yesterday clinton insisted she will be the democrats' nominee. >> you get into the general election if you're the nominee for your party. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. >> "the new york times" reported that sanders is quote, newly resolved to remain in the race seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure democrats into making fundamental changes to how
presidents and primaries and debates are held in the future. his advisors and allies say he's going to do harm to mrs. clinton in the shorter term if he can capture some of the delegates at stake in california and arrive at the convention with maximum power. "the washington post" reports the democratic national committee plans to offer a concession to senator bernie sanders, seats on a key convention platform community. the dnc, and the campaigns will reach a final agreement less than sanders wanted but more than the dnc originally offered. can democrats strike a deal to avoid chaos at the convention? is she gearing up for a floor flight. we have the chairman of the democratic party, and a reporter for "the new york times." chairman, thank you for coming on. it seems to me there's a couple areas where bernie has a good argument. one is the way that the debates were scheduled and saturday
night or sunday morning, the way the dnc put the debates together was to make sure nobody watched them. the other one is to try to get an even handed policy on the middle east. a lot of democrats would like to see that. there's a lot of fish in this barrel, a lot going on in terms of the negotiations. how do you see it's going to work? is bernie going to deal or fight? >> well, first of all, i know the answer was joe clark, okay? >> thank you. the last liberal from pennsylvania, right. >> you got it. i think sanders is going to fight for issues in the platform. he wants some reforms for future democratic primaries as far as debates are concerned. and other issues. and i think there will be fights on the floor over platform, but that happened, you know, in '68 with the peace plank. the important thing for us as democrats is to when it's all over, fully understand the enemy
is going to be donald trump. and we have to do everything we can, whether it's clinton or sanders to make sure that after the convention, the party and the party meaning the democrats, not political party, but democrats, understand that the future of the nation is at stake and we will pull together. chris, i was there in '68, when the mccarthy people of which i was one, held out for too long before embracing hubert humphrey. he held out a little bit too long before changing his position on the war. and we ended up with dick nixon. and those of us that, unfortunately, old enough to remember that, do not want to see that kind of mistake again. >> joe let's talk about the things that could be negotiated. first of all what do you think -- simple question, what do you think senator sanders is up to? he's trying to win at least on
paper. that could be rhetorical. he knows the math as well as anybody. they know the math. and the difficulty of surmounting the numbers. what does he want to do if he doesn't wuin? >> i think he's in a tough position. i think he knows he's not going to win, he can't win. i think he wants to go into philadelphia with the maximum number of delegates so he can exert the maximum influence on the platform. i think that's fine. what i don't think is fine he continues to feed a sense of grievance or people have been cheated like we saw with the nevada situation, like we've seen, you know, in the new york primary people were kicked off the rolls in brooklyn it had nothing to do with secretary clinton. there have been glitches in this primary season that the sanders' campaign and a lot of the more vocal supporters have blamed on secretary clinton or the democratic national committee
that were not their fault. it's very important that as he says i can win and i want you to come out and vote for me, he also stops feeding this sense of grievance that the rules are rigged and that he's been treated unfairly in the voting process. we can debate about -- i agree with you on the debates, it was ridiculous and didn't help secretary clinton. she did well in the debates. everybody agreed. >> why was she hiding from a primetime debate? >> she didn't help secretary clinton. that's what i think he's trying to do. >> there's low hanging branches here that you could say we could fix the debate schedule. week day nights in primetime, that would be simple. how about -- the foreign policy, have a democratic floor debate over middle east policy is risky with the donor class. but the other things -- the question is is this going to end up making hillary stronger in the general election or weaker? >> the polls show far more americans felt the primary process was harmful in 2008 than
they do now. and given that it didn't harm barack obama in 2008 hardly at all is proof right now to a lot of people that -- she'll emerge fine. you don't need to be a negoti e negotiator donald trump to realize this is the democratic party's first offer to bernie. he wants more than just a few changes to the platform. >> let me go to john burton, let me ask you a simple question is this election out there come june, even though it will be after the the networks have called it saying hillary has the number. by the time we have a count out there at 11:00 california time, whenever it comes in, 11:00 eastern time, do you think this will be a close vote out there? how do you see it right now? >> well, bernie sanders has a movement. hillary clinton's got an election. there are two different things. when you're involved in movement politics, you know, i've been actually more than i've been
elect -- involved in elected. it comes not from the head, but from your gut. and i think it will be very interesting if the clinton people know that she has got it cinched before california finished voting. the sanders people, in my mind, will still turn out to vote to prove the point that they have things to say, things to change, and they want their voices heard. and that's a very strong impetus. just this week, facebook did some kind of voter registration thing. i think like, 200,000 new voters registered in like, three days. you know, those people were not registering for more of the same. i think they were registering probably mostly for bernie, maybe a little for trump. i have no doubt in the -- you people that are smart, the talking heads, keep claiming
that when it's over and i believe this, the democrats will come home to hillary clinton assuming she'll get it. i don't assume anything till it's over. but they're going to all come home to one thing, the country cannot afford donald trump. >> welcome back, congressman according to "the new york times" cbs news poll. 72% of bernie sanders voters say they'll support hillary clinton. it's a higher number than eight years ago when 60% of hillary clinton voters said they would support then senator obama. that's interesting. illinois senator dick durbin said he spoke to bernie sanders on the phone recently he's confident democrats will unite. let's listen to senator durbin. >> i looked at for why did he call me. we're friends. i think he called me because in the end he understands we have to make sure we come together as a party for the right values and for the right reason. making sure that donald trump is not the next commander in chief of the united states of america. >> that sounds like a final line there.
by the way, thank you, john burton you're right about joe clark. he's the first senator i ever got to vote for when i first voted. he lost unfortunately, anyway. thank you for joining us. up next, new details on the investigation into what brought down that egyptair jet liner. still trying to get it nailed. back and more after this. my experience with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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more than 48 hours after egyptair flight 804 went down in the mediterranean the mystery remains what caused it to fall from the sky. search crews located pieces of the plane including luggage, passenger seats and human remains. one new clue has emerged, nbc news confirms reports that data transmitted from the plane minutes before it crashed showed smoke on board the plane. nbc's curry sanders joins us now. a big question mark from me to
you. what happened? do we know yet? >> we're getting more details. when a plane is flying it's not only the communications from the pilot to air traffic control, but planes are also sending out data, streams of data at certain intervals that send information back to home base. it's called acars. it provides information critical perhaps in this communication. we know pilots were in communication with greek authorities. when they got into egyptian airspace there was silence. this may be why. let me tell you what was going on. there were three simultaneous events apparently happening according to the acars system. two censors went off at the right window. smoke sensor in the forward lavatory goes out. on the other side of the wall in the main cabin area.
one minute later there is smoke in the avionics compartment which controls the plane. then another window sensor goes off inside the cockpit. and then three minutes later, the acars system suggests there are indications a pilot control and computer problems and that is critical. because the pilots are trying to control the plane with all of this advanced avionics. it's possible based on the acars information there was a fire or an explosion that caused a catastrophic failure of each of these pieces of equipment that were going on whether it's windows, computers something going on inside the lavatory. which is all focused in an area on this airplane, the way it was laid out near the galley. of course the question now is s was something in the galley, we know that there have been bombs that have been made that can fit inside a soda can. and so there will be a lot of focus on trying to determine whether this acars data is revealing there was a fire or a bomb on board. again, it's pieces of the
puzzle. trying to find this, okay, this is the black box, is really going to be the moex important thing that they can find. somewhere deep in the mediterranean. chris. >> thank you so much. nbc's kerry sanders. up next, donald trump's stunning 180 degree turn on whether or not we should have gone into libya. he slams hillary clinton for wanting to go in. five years ago he was there with her. you're watching hardball the place for politics. fact. there's an advil specially made for fast relief that goes to work in minutes.
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out of iraq, too. >> but what trump told "morning joe" this morning is the opposite of something he said in his own video blog in february of 2011 itself. right about the time the obama administration was debating whether to intervene in that country. he said the united states should go in and stop cudakadafi. >> we have soldiers around the middle east and we're not bringing them to stop the carnage. you talk about the things that happened in history this could be the worst. we should go in and stop the guy which would be very easy and quick. we could do it surgically. stop him from doing it. and save these lives. >> so which trump are we getting in this election? is he a hawk or dove? joining me tonight is tonight's
round table. >> let me start with molly, and go right through here. 100% inconsistency here. when they had to decide whether they go in or not. i'm a non-interventioned. i remember samantha powers, and hillary clinton, convinced the president to do it. trump was part of that line. now he's saying he's against the line. where was he? >> he was somewhere now he's somewhere else. same with the iraq war, because he has been in this campaign been very critical of the war. he's on the record before the war he supported the invasion. and this is attention in his rhetoric. when he says -- >> why would it change? >> he said he's militaristic. >> motive. >> he's running an as american -- >> why would he switch. >> that's where he sees thelic
t -- electorate. >> i agree with molly. >> the tune -- if you want to tune your instrument to the current note, the note is non-intervention, right. >> what's the common thread? america. let's take care of america. let's take care of america's economy, let's take care of america's jobs. the other thing is let's face it, it's a war weary country. it's been war weary for a long time. there's a reason why the right track wrong track has been on the wrong track for 12 years. a lot of that is we feel a certain malaise about where things are at home. >> he thinks this is a way he can differentiate himself from hillary clinton. she was in favor of the war in iraq, intervening in libya. he was too but he thinks he can say no, i wasn't. he's just lying. he will probably have a different position tomorrow if he thinks that's the way the political wind -- >> it's not that he's changing his mind. he's saying i never had a difference of mind >> he's just lying. he said go look, there are tons of clips out there from before
the war in iraq where i'm opposing it. the media said there is nothing out there. he hasn't been able to produce anything. >> look, let me ask about the political -- why is he doing this? it's better to say i'm against it now and also been against it than to admit you're for it. >> his supporters aren't supporting him for rational reasons. i really looked at donald trump's position on libya. >> rational a harsh word. >> i chose the wrong word. his supporters are not saying i support donald trump because i like what he's saying on libya. a lot of it is very emotional. they like his character. they like who he is. they like he's thumbing his noez nose as that establishment. >> do you think he's discovered nationalism, he wasn't a nationalist four or five years ago? nationalist is his grandest
pull. it's not racial everybody else but us americans. here's for us. push back and that includes don't get entangled in middle east wars. >> it's where a lot of republicans are post george w. bush and barack obama. why would people be against the libya policy? probably because it's been a failure. >> still there. >> right. >> stuck. >> even this president who ran on the fact we'd be out of some of these places hasn't been able to convert on that. the fact is this, our economy is soft as well. as you know, that undergirds everything in politics. people don't feel good about their economic situation. >> ronald reagan in addition to other advantages he was a lucky guy. he would go to these bite sized wars, granada, in and out in three or if you days. nor80a in panama, in and out. they made everybody feel good like the faulklands wars made margaret thatcher look good. >> reagan was not a big time interventionist. >> he was in and out.
>> he was very trying to minimize the footprints -- >> bite sized wars. >> and try to commit ourselves as little as possible to the foreign entanglements. you can say american interests. >> here is in the present time. new donald trump, new model this year. at the campaign trail he called for less intervention in the world but called himself the most militaristic, even more militaristic than george w. bush. >> i'm the most militaristic person in this room, believe me. i'm the most militaristic person. millerterre millerterre milleri milleristic. than brush, even the brother. >> it's like this guy, why does that sell? >> he is carrying a big stick. he's not being quiet about this. this is, again, this is donald
trump where every day it seems like he has a different position. he can be whoever his supporters want him to be. >> there's a certain bottom line to where he is now. he's for non-intervention now. >> but he wants to hold out the threat of intervention. make america great again everyone will respect america. we should hold out the threat we can nuke the world if we want to. >> does this conversation have any effect on people who like them? people say i'm quibbling. up next, these people tell me something i don't know on this friday night. this is hardball the place for politics. you owned your car for four years, you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer
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agreed to a peace treaty with israel. >> welcome back to "hardball." brokered by jimmy carter it was a photo finish conclusion between the leaders of two adversarial countries in the middle east, egypt and israel. yet the story behind the summit was fraught with more discord and animus than anyone knew at the time and it all played out over 12 days in the wooded campsite of camp david. that story's being told in a play "camp david." a historical drama featuring richard thomas as president jimmy carter. let's take a look at a scene between president carter and anw anwar sadat. >> i've always known bigots.
>> you know nothing about our problems and yet you think you can solve them all ought once. >> you're right, you're right. it was a crazy idea. completely insane. put an arab and a jew up on the top of a mountaintop and tell them to make peace, what was i thinking. >> i'm joined right now by actor richard thomas who's also famous for his role way back when on "the waltons." >> i'm friends with president carter and others. what have you learned? >> you know, it's been a wonderful experience and very honored to be in it and it's been a great plsure. lawrence wright is such an amazing writer and he's managed to reduce this to four characters, you know.
sadat, and rose lynn carter. we had a great time in washington and now we're having a great time at the globe. >> you know, even though it ends well, it doesn't seem like it when you watch it. >> that's right. that's right. you know how it's going to turn out but five minutes before the end you say, wait a minute, did it all fall apart? it's versus spenceful given that it's history. >> all of us american guys loved an hoa sadat because he had the guts to go to israel and baden was this tough guy. when you see the play, you're really struck with how gutsy baggen turns out to be. >> one of the great things about what larry has done is he presents everybody's arguments so convincingly that even if you come in with a point of view, you have to pay attention to every side in the argument and
he's done it -- he's done it wonderfully and we have some terrific actors to speak those arguments. so it's very exciting every night. the dialectic is terrific in the play. >> you play the president and i think jimmy carter is great. >> me too. >> and rosalind carter. tell me about her role. that's something that didn't get any press at the time. >> well, it's one of the most exciting accomplishments of larry's in the play. he brings rosalind in as the one person who can really talk to all three of these men. she brings in influences from the outside because as you know there were so many people at the time and there's only four people in the play. she brings the outside views into the play. but she's the glue. she's the one who really gets the men in the right place psychologic throw make this happen and halle foote is so great in the role. it's a fantastic part. you would think rose lind carter
was a supporting role but she's the steel behind this whole thing. >> i'm so glad you have this part. >> me too. it's been a pleasure. >> thanks for coming on "hardball." "all in with chris hayes." >> they have so many. >> don and trump is endorsed by the nra as he takes on hillary clinton. >> the most anti-gun anti-second amendment candidate ever to run for office. then as investigators search for what brought down egyptair flight 804, speculation continues. >> i can practically guarantee who blew it up. plus, despite the daley jabs -- >> secretary clinton has a number of super pacs. >> boo! >> are democrats more united now than they were eight years ago? an