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was a supporting role but she's the steel behind this whole thing. >> i'm so glad you have this part. >> me too. it's been a pleasure. >> thanks for coming on "hardball." "all in with chris hayes." >> they have so many. >> don and trump is endorsed by the nra as he takes on hillary clinton. >> the most anti-gun anti-second amendment candidate ever to run for office. then as investigators search for what brought down egyptair flight 804, speculation continues. >> i can practically guarantee who blew it up. plus, despite the daley jabs -- >> secretary clinton has a number of super pacs. >> boo! >> are democrats more united now than they were eight years ago? and breaking down the
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head-to-head polls, are democrats underestimating trump in the general election? >> we're going to win, win, win. >> reporter: . "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. i'm steve kornacki in for chris hayes. big news on this friday with developments of flight of egypt air crash 804. it indicates that smoke was filling the front end of the plane and that systems were failing. there are also big developments tonight in the presidential race. donald trump getting an endorsement from the nra as he calls hillary clinton the most anti-gun candidate ever. we're going to talk to her press secretary about that. but we're going to begin by bringing you up to date on a situation that happened earlier at the white house. this is when a secret service agent shot a man as he approached a check point with a weapon.
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nbc's jim mick la chefky was at the white house. he joins u now with more. mick, what can you tell us on this? >> steve, you know, it's pretty calm and serene here tonight but earlier today this place erupted into sheer chaos. on what has been a serene sunny afternoon, the white house grounds looked like a war zone. secret service scrambled to their post. a lone man brandishing a hand dunn was caught walking on the southwest corner of the white house grounds. taylor kaitz couldn't believe her eyes. >> he had a gun out in plain sight. it wasn't even hidden. he looked at me and kept walking. >> reporter: the armed gunman approached. larry samples said the officers shouted at the man to stop. >> drop your gun.
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and he walked toward the officers. he just kept on walking in. >> reporter: as the armed man drew closer, a secret service agent fired a single shot striking the suspect in the chest. >> after they approached about the third in, they shot him. >> reporter: the suspect was rushed to george washington hospital, his condition unknown. police soon discovered his vehicle parked several blocks away and searched it for any clues or a motive. now, federal officials are identifying the suspect as jesse ol' sri ari of ashland, pennsylvania. and according to these officials, it appears that this was an attempted suicide by cop, that the suspect before he was taken to the hospital actually told authorities that he wanted to die. the d.c. police will be conducting the investigation into the shooting, but from what we're hearing from most officials, this was a good shooting, that the officer who
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fired the shot was playing it by the books, steve. >> all right. jik miklaszewski outside the white house. donald trump speaking at the national rifle association convention in kentucky where he did something he's done a lot in this campaign. he told the crowd what they wanted to hear even though it conflicts what with he said in the past is. >> the nra has led the fight time and time again to protect our fundamental freedoms. this is tan amazing group. >> that's today. but back in 2000 when he nearly ran for independent he wrote a book called "the america we deserve," and in that book he took on the nra and said, quote, i support the ban on weapons and i support a longer waiting period to purr class a gun. he said he would get rid of gun-free zones if he becomes president. this despite his own appropriate
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including mar-a-lago don't allow guns. the group in turn offered trump its endorsement. >> to get the endorsement, believe me, is a fantastic honor. my sons have been members of the nra for many, many years. they're incredible. they have so many rifles, so many guns, even i get concerned. that's a lot. there are 13 million right-to-carry permit holders in the united states. i happen to be one of them. in the past -- nobody knows that. boy, would i surprise somebody if they hit trump. >> now, trump also went hard after hillary clinton on guns, saying she would force vulnerable americans to go defenseless in the face of violence around them, suggesting clinton's bodyguards should give urp their firearms and calling clinton the most anti-gun candidate in history. >> hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. we're not talking about change
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it. she wants to abolish it. we're not going let that happen, i can tell you right now. >> politifact looked into that deeming it was false. they wrote, quote, we found no evidence that clinton has ever advocated for repealing or abolishing the second amendment. >> i think looking into this, what that commend stems from, there was a recording from hillary clinton at a fund-raiser a few minutes ago. she said at the fund-raiser the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment. from that forms claims by donald trump. >> you're absolutely right what donald trump said today that hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment is absolutely false and fact checks have discredit thad claim. she absolutely agrees that the second amendment allows for
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individuals to own a firearm, but she believes that while respecting that right there is still room for common sense gun safety members like closing the charleston loop hopes. so she absolutely respects the right as it was contemplated. >> all right. this is where the difference may be. the heller case is the supreme court decision a few years ago. it struck down washington, d.c.'s ban on handguns. it said gun ownership is an individual right. you disagree with that. >> well, there were a lot of parts to that decision. it said, new ber one, there was an individual right to own a firearm, speflkly it contemplated having a firearm for purposes of self-defense in the home. she doesn't dispute that principle. but the decision in heller actually went beyond that and said that the d.c., for instance, the law that they passed that called for safe storage of firearms to prevent toddlers from getting access to guns that were stored
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inadequately in the hope, they did that and in doing sew they opened the door to customize safety measuring to allow proper precautions in especially highly densely populated areas. she thinks it went too far in preventing places like new york to prevent safety measures in the population. >> that's a supreme court ruling. he the other day put out a list of people help said if i'm president, one of these people will be my appointee to the supreme court when i get a chance to make an appointment. supreme court decides issues like we're talking about right now. hi called on hillary clinton yesterday, put on her own list, who would she put out. is that something you guys will do? >> look. there will be a time for her to talk about who she would nominate. that's when she's president of the united states. i think she's done quite far in identifying the standards she would use in terms of who she would look at in general. >> but no names before the election. >> i doubt it.
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the issue right now is we have a nominee put forward, amerimerri garland who should be confirmed by a unanimous margin. >> could she put merrick garland up? >> we will not entertain the prechls that the republican will hold rank here. i think republicans have actually walked into a dead end trap with this strategy that they've followed because essentially what it means is at the same time so many of them are trying to distance themselves from donald trump, now they're effectively running interference and saying the option should be held open for him to pick this next nominee. so i think that they're going to find that this is an untenable situation and that before hillary clinton is sworn in, they're going have to capitulate and give this man a vote. >> look. we said at the start he's saying something totally different but in fairness if you look back to
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when she ran for senate in new york she talked about the national gun registry, talking about raising the age of gun ownership from 18 to 21. then when she ran, she was asked do you still believe that. this is what she said back then. >> but do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns? >> what i favors is what works in new york. you know, we have a set of rules in new york city, and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. what might work in new york city is certain will i not going to work in montana. so for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose, i think, doesn't make sense. >> and she also at a separate point in that campaign, are you backing off the call for national registry. she said yes. two different positions. 2000, 2008, now 2016. where is she? national gun registry? where is she? >> i think she's rightfully said
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she needs to focus on things right now that are so common sense that only an extreme ideological position that we heard from donald trump tould could possibly be opposed to. if you're talking universal background checks, closing the charleston loophole and keeps individuals from being able to purchase fire arms, these are things we should be pressing in congress right now, these are things that even as we pivot to a general election, she's not going to be backing off of. she's going to be in florida tomorrow speaking aet the trayvon martin foundation. she is right now moving into a general election posture. a lot of critics and commentators are suggesting or anticipating she's going to get reluctant to discuss these issues, absolutely not. but she does think we need to prioritize the issues and it could really make a difference. i think it's an important point to make that from a numbers perspective, have 70%, 80% of americans in support of them. there are more voters that support these measures but they
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don't honestly make this priority issues. president obama has eloquently said democrats and other pin dents and republicans need to make it a voting issue. >> brian fallon from the clinton campaign. >> thanks steve. "the wall street journal" editorial board which back in november wrote, quote, gop voters will have to decide if they want to vote for their most protectionist nominee since hoover. the gop elite are lining up behind trump. that's what politico says, declaring that the nerve trump movement is over and trump himself is doing his part. he's sending hand-written notes to never trump conservatives including radio host charlie
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sykes. sykes tweeting a note of trump tweeting the words here's the note donald trump sent me yesterday. i thanked him for it, but still #nevertrumporhillary. betsy with "the daily beast." betsy, thanks for taking a few minutes. when i look inside them, i'm noticing a lot of republican rank-and-file voters are already rallying around donald trump in that race against clinton. i'm wondering, are they -- what will leaders say to the voters, but are those republican grassroots voters show -- >> i think charlie sykes accepted. that's what we're seeing happen. the grass roots is leading the punitive conservative movement. i spoke with pro-life activists and heard from every single one of them almost to a man pro-life leaders are coming around behind donald trump. part of the reason, of course,
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is the support he has from grassroots conservatives. also behind the scenes he's made some hires that have had significant impact on these folks. for instance he recently picked up john mashburn, a former senate aide. the fact that he made that hire which happened with very little fanfare, i think, moved a lot of hearts and minds among the social conservative leaders. so the reality is i think the never trump holdouts while they will exist, while i think charlie sykes is not going to change his mind, never trump votes are going to be few and far between. >> is it fair to say the best tool he has when it comes to united the republican party is the simple fact who his opponent is, hillary clinton? >> oh, without a doubt. that's part of the reason the nra speech went over so well. even though a lot of activists and die hard pro-gun folks are
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skeptical, he's night and day different than hillary clinton. the reality is clinton has spent the last entire primary cycle moving to the left on gun rights, changing her rhetoric, changing her focus, spending more time in the debates, more tomb on the stump talking about her support for tougher gun laws and that's something that registers with republican voters. she makes trump sound pretty great just by comparison. >> all right. betsy woodruff with "the daily beast." thanks for your time. >> sure thing. still to come, growing concerns over fractures in the democratic party. a remind irit's worse. it wasn't that long ago that it was. first, was terrorism involved in the downing of egyptair flight 804? we're going to have all of the latest developments in that story in two minutes. and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't.
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brought egyptair out of the sky
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continued today as naval crews discovered wreckage from the plane including seats and luggage belonging to some of the 6 f people who were on board. data automatically transmitted from the flight just before it disappeared from radar showed smoke was detected in multiple locations including forward lavatory in the avion iks compartment that controls the plane. that suggests there may have been a fire on board. whether that fire was the result of a mechanical failure or something intentional like a bomb is somethi unknown at this hour. nevertheless the presumptive nominee said he already knows what happened. he sate, looked like yet another terrorist attack. he went even farther. >> a plane got blown out of the sky. if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks, okay? you're 100% wrong. and this morning on msnbc trump
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defended his response to the 804 disaster. >> it was very much generating hatred, focusing on the hatred and fear that terrorism brings to people and maybe perhaps that first tweet -- >> i can practically guarantee who blew it up. >> listen, listen -- donald, listen to yourself right now. >> the mindset of a weak hillary clinton, which is four more years of obama's not going to do it for our country, mika. >> joining us now, terrorist analyst evan coleman. evan, give us the facts here, would you? what do we know as to whether this is trichlt or not. there's nothing definitive. are there signs pointing one way or the other? >> look. twouchb curious things is this. if it's terrorism, it could likely be isis. when isis does things like this, they tend to claim credit very quickly. in the case of the russian airliner in sinai, they claimed credit within ten hours nchl this case there's been 48 hours or more since the crash of
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egyptair, their airliner. there's been nothing at all from isis. it's not that there hasn't been a communique. there's been all kinds of commune kay. in all of this they haven't mentioned a scintilla about egyptair. not a word. it's very unusual. if isis did this, this is a pereira occurrence for them. if it's somebody else, the question is how and why. >> are there other groups? we focus so much on isis. are there other groups out there. >> there's other terrorist groups that still wants to stay relevant in the game. sure. what's a great way of staying relevant in the game. to carry out an act of international terrorism which is going to draw the attention of world media. the problem is why would al qaeda try to bomb egyptair liner
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carrying mostly egyptian sunni muslims. al qaeda is trying to win theed a mir rag and loyalty of these people as is isis. what purpose would this serve? this is not going after an egypt police building, this is not going after an egypt military or russians vacationing in the sinai. this is going after the constituency that isis and al qaeda is looking to wound them. so in terms of logic, there isn't a lot of logic here. that doesn't mean it wasn't trich. it could have been an error. they didn't mean to carry it out like this. there's something wrong here. >> you're saying there's no claims of credit right now, but when you look at the airline, the route originating in paris, there's been so much attention on extremism in paris and europe in general, the nature of how this comes out, are there other signs that get you looking at it saying, gosh, this does have some of the hallmarks? >> well, look. there are extremists in paris, there's no doubt. there are extremists in france. whether they have arc says at
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chaurls degall airport is an entirely different question. can isis recruit people to carry out suicide bombings in public or public a areas and shoot people? yeah, we've seen that. are they able to recruit people behind the scenes without the french government know about it? that's dubious. ite's even more dubious if they were able to do that, had access to sensitive areas, why would they go after this target? there are 747s, american airlines every day to charles de gaulle. that would seem to be an on just target. air france going to cairo carrying french nationals, that to me would seem to be an obvious target that would fit isis's mode of operandi. this, there's something strange. there was a case of an egyptair flight that crashed from the united states. it looked like the pilot just took it down intentionally. i know egypt never admit thad happened even though that was the finding. given that history, how
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confident can we be that we're going get answers? >> i think their sole purpose is to draw attention way from anything that would blame them. anything that would blame them, their air crew, their staff. dhiejt want that. if it turns out it was something at charles de gaulle, they can put that on somebody else. but the last thing they want is to be blamed for this. yeah. they're going to push away from the idea that this was something mechanical because that would suggest they weren't taking care of their planes properly. we have to look at international investigators. what are the french investigators saying? right now they're saying we have absolutely no idea what brought this plane down. there are no clues. we do not know. that's what we know. >> okay. evan coleman. thank you. >> thank you. >> still to come, increasing concern over unity in the democratic party, but how different is the fight we're seeing right now really from the fight in 2008. we're going to dive into that just ahead. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace it.
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in april of last year, hillary clinton announced her bid for the democratic nomination for president. a couple of weeks after that bernie sanders of is vermont did the same. and the last time that happened when you had two democrats who were vying for the nomination, well, there was an incumbent democratic president. that was 16 years ago. the 2000 plooir between rimary bradley. bradley got walloped in that. he lost every single caucus he contested and he dropped out of the race early. >> reporter: bradley who failed to win a single contest failed to support vice president gore as he goes forward saying
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there's time for unity but referring to what was at time as contentious and at times personally negative battle between them, he said gore will have to, quote, run a better campaign in the fall. >> now the expectation when clinton first entered the 2016 race was she was going to coast just like gore had. that sanders, a 77-year-old socialist who's not even a member of a democratic party would have to put up at least as much of a fight as bill bradley did back in 2000. it didn't look like much of a conte contest. it turnses out they were wrong. the race is similar to the obama/clinton race of 2008. what that says about how the sanders race has exceeded expectations, a ththat's next. d.
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tonight with national polls tightening between hillary clinton and donald trump, democrats are becoming increasingly vocal about their concerns over party unity heading into is race over donald trump and the convention this summer, the city of philadelphia saying it has awarded four demonstration permits for bernie sanders supporters aet the democratic convention this summer, the city saying it expects some 30,000 people. that news amid reports that the dnc plans to offer sanders seats on a key convention platform committee. the clinton campaign however projecting confidence that her
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pledged delegate lead compared to obama in the 2008 primary is actually large e. that race, the 2008 wras, has shockingly become the most apt comparison to this clinton/sanders primary and it's become the most useful one because it's increasingly become a concern as to where the democratic party was at this very point in the race in 2008. for example it was in late may of 2008 that clinton wrote what was at the time an unprecedent letter to democratic super delegates asking them to support her even though she was going to fin tish primaries with fewer pledged delegates than barack obama, pointing to her lead in the popular vote in her strength in head-to-head polling against john mccain. she asked super delegates to make her the nominee anyway. does that sound familiar? it was also in may of 2008 that clinton stirred a loud and furious outcry to obama's campaign and many neutral democrats when she invoked the june 1968 assassination of
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robert f. kennedy as a justification for staying in the democratic race even though she was hopelessly behind in the pledged delegate count. she apologized for that but still she vowed to fight for the nomination all the way to the convention. >> there are some who wish this election had ended months ago before you ever got a chance to vote. i am not one of them. the longer this election has gone on, the better i have done, so i am really excited about you voting here in montana. >> reporter: she has stopped attacking barack obama, but the carolina tons aren't making any friends in this camp with gibes like this one. >> that's the reason why there's this frantic every to push her out because she's winning the general election today and he's not. >> it's easy to remember what the democratic politics felt like at that moment. we now how it worked out in the end. she e made her peace with obama,
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he went on to win easily and brought her into the administration. it's easy to look back and say, ah, that was kids' stuff and to say what we're see now is much different, totally different, much worse, maybe it feels that wake, but check out this comparison. in may of 2008 only 60% of hillary clinton supporters said they would vote for obama if he was democratic nominee. meaning 40% of the clinton backers in may of 2008 were not ready to do so. now, that was at this exact same moment in the democratic campaign. barely half of the losing candidate supporters ready to get on board with the winning candidate for the fall. and today, 72% of sanders supporters say they would vote for clinton against trump, meaning that only 28% aren't ready to. democrats have their problems right now when it comes to unity, but by those numbers, you can't say it's worse now than it was in 2008, even if it doesn't
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feel that way. joining me now former vermont governor howard dean, the former chair of the democratic national committee and an msnbc political analyst. he's supporting hillary clinton. and, governor, you were the dnc chair when this moment we're talking about played out. that comparison between may 2008 and may 2016, what do you make of the comparison. >> it was actually much worse this 2008. i had to be the referee. all the clinton people thought i was in the tank for obama. obama thought i was in the tank for clinton. personally called me at one point. it was really tough. and there was this ak crow name called p.u.m.a., party unity my something or other which was a group of women who would not vote for obama under any circumstance. some of them actually did vote for mccain. so it was pretty heavy sweating back then. you know, i think it was worse, but unfortunately we've got a ways to go here and we've got to get this ship righted now rather than later.
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yeah. and when you look back to a e 08, a couple of things in that story jump out to me. right now we have the scenes in nevada a couple of days ago. the bernie sanders supporters and then clinton supporters saying they're out of control. in '08, you had hillary clinton making that comment about bobby kennedy and the kennedy campaign saying she's o oust control. the key here is hillary clinton cede she was going go all the way to the convention right at the primary but a couple of days before the last primary she dropped out of the race. a couple of days after she she endorsed barack obama. do you think bernie sanders through all his vows to go to the convention will follow that model. >> no. no two campaigns are ever the same. my guess is bernie will make a speech at the convention, probably have his name placed in nomination, although, i'm not sure about that. but how this goes depends on what kind of a compromise they can come to in the platform. in terms of changing the rules
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for 2020, that's more difficult. it's very, very complicated and bernie is kind of seeking an advantage. he wants to get rid of what he calls the undemocratic closed primary but he doesn't want to get rid of the more undemocratic caucuses so i think that's going to get bogged down and left to the rules committee sometime in 2018. the platform matters and it's bernie's way to leave us his legacy. if she wins with his stuff in the platform, ily are going to be a lost of people who want to enact that stuff because bernie speaks for a lot of democrats. >> do you expect some sort of statement? i'm trying to read between the lines. i hear them talking about going to the convention. it sounds like they're making it contingent on taking the lead in the pledged delegate count which doesn't make sense mathemat mathematically but i heard bernie sanders saying the other night, it's a steep hill but we maybe have a chance to go forward. i read it as if he can't catch
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her he'll go out making some kind of a statement saying, i'm not going to win. maybe making a statement. >> having been in a similar position to bernie, he got much deep sbeer the process than idy, but on the other hand i was a front-runner for a while, which she hasn't been. so i think we both felt deeply anger and disappointed by the way it comes out. my guess is if anything like what i went through he's going through is he's of two minds. you know, he's disappointed. he's mad about what he considers to be an unfair process. i certainly was. i basically al gore talked me off the ledge oop. i was ranting and raving to him. he was supporting me and he listened patiently about me ranting and araving and he said look, this is about the country, not you, and he was right. >> former governor and former dnc chair howard dean.
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thanks for the time. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump attacks hillary clinton, acushion her of, quote, bad judgment, that there could be a problem with one of the examples he used, a pretty big problem. later, new data out that may end the notion why clinton versus trump would be a cake walk for the democrats. [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm... hmmmmm... the turbocharged dream machine. the volkswagen golf gti. part of the award-winning golf family.
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judgment and she does. you look at so many of her decisions have been bad. >> in a phone interview on msnbc this morning trump was asked for a specific example of one of those so-called bad decisions. >> what was a bad judgment. >> i can give you a lot. >> just one. >> but libya. right now isis has taken the oil from libya. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. >> trump has never held public office, of course, so there's no official record of votes on key policy questions so it could be hard to pin him down. in this case, he is on the record back in 2007 advocating a very specific course of action on libya. what donald trump said at the time about intervening in libya, that's coming up in 60 seconds.
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example of hillary clinton's poor judgment. it's a decision he says he himself would have never made. >> libya was an example. libya is a disaster. by the way, just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. >> would you have stared out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya, yeah. >> so a that's what trump says today. but back at the time, back in 2011, trump recorded a video at his office in trump tower and he shared his thoughts on what he thought the u.s. should do in libya. buzzfeed dug up that video earlier this year and in it trump takes a clear position in favor of going in. >> i can't believe what our country is doing. gadhafi in libya is killing thousands of people. nobody knows how bad it is. and we're sitting around. we have soldiers all over the middle east, and we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage, and that's what it is. it's a carnage. you talk about all of the things
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today there were major new developments in the crash of egyptair flight 804. the a-car system designed to send automatic messages to help with the maintenance of the plane indicated smoke in a lavatory, smoke in the avionics bay and issues and failure of computer systems, all of this occurring within minutes of the plane's erratic turns and loss of altitude. meanwhile the white house addressed fear here in the united states. the possible spread of the zika virus with the coming of summer. the cdc is monitoring 279 pregnant women who have tested positive for the zika virus. the zika virus during pregnancy
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could cause birth defects in infants. the cdc is aware of a dozen use comes so far. possible said there's no need to panic but the zika virus needs to be taken seriously. he criticized the house and senate for passing significantly less than the $1.9 billion that the administration wants. >> congress needs to get me a bill. it needs to get me a bill that has sufficient funds to do the job. they should not be going off on recess before this is done and understand that this is not something where we can build a wall to prevent. mosquitos don't go through customs tochl the extent that we're not handling this thing on the front end, we're going to have bigger problems on the back end. joining me now kelsey snell, congressional reporter for the post. look, everybody scared about zika. wants to do something about it. the administration wants, what, $1.9 billion.
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the house and senate are saying something different. what is it the house and senate are saying? and do we have a sense -- i don't know what it means to people. what is the difference in practical terms versus what the white house might get for $1.9 billion and what we might get for less? >> the house and senate are on completely separate packets at this time. they passed a by for $600,000. they would offset cuts to the nih and move existing funds from the ebola fund whereas the senate would provide a spending bill of $1.1 billion and would give funding all the way through september of next year. the problem is the house doesn't want to take up the $1.1 billion bill because they say it's not offset with corresponding spending cuts. it's the same old fight they've been having for several years now. the white house said they couldn't get behind the 1.1 number that the cincinnati sad they would pass if the house would get on board. >> all right. kelsey snell with a an
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the nomination? a lot of people have looked at him. he would tweet just about anything and would get trounced by hillary clinton in a general matchup. but two polls, one by rasmussen and one by fox news found trump up five and three points respectively. and a thild poll by "the new york times" and nbc news shows trump leading, but that's down significantly from a month earlier. granted that's just three polls taken before the general election, but it's not a good sign for democrats looking for a cake walk in november, especially since the republican party is beginning to coalesce around trump and fast. the same poll finding 84% of the republican voters say they'll support trump in the general election. joining me now is robert traynham. he's a former senior adviser of
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president bush and political contributor anddown kampfer, she served as deputy campaign manager for martin o'malley and is a spokesperson for move on. this question of public inmutety. it was a couple of weeks ago we were hearing about never trump movement, fights all the way to the convention, third-party threats, maybe the voters will stay home. but it looks like the rank and file of the republican party is behind trump. >> it appears that way and i'm not surprised by that, steesh. good evening. look. the reality is the vast majority of voters look at donald trump and hillary clinton and say these are my choices, and, quite frankly, there is choice. the reason is i cannot hillary clinton in the white house. although donald trump may not be the number one candidate in some republicans' minds, remember the republicans had 16 some
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candidates that i could choose from over the year. now that donald trump is the nominee, i think i can support donald trump going into the fall because the other option is certainly not an option. that's the rationial. >> and careen, the thought about it is, look, he has historically high negative numbers, he's done so much damage to his general election image in winning the republican primary, that's why republicans were excited. but look at this. in the new cbs poll, it has donald trump leading. hillary clinton's sitting at 31%. it's barely any better. they're both over 50 in the not favorable category. that says to me for all of donald trump's flaws, i'm not sure hillary clinton is poised to really capitalize on them. >> well, look, steerchlt it's not going to be a cake walk at all. it's a divided country and for us to think it was going to be a blowout, no way, jose, is that going to happen, but, look, i
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think what needs to happen is if you want -- the american people want to hear about real issues, right? and so they're going to have to start talking about policies, things that matter to american folks which is increasing minimum wage, which is making sure their continued sustainability with the economy. so that's what they're going have to do in order to really help with their unfavorables, and that's just the reality that we're in now. but because of a donald trump, we're probably going to have a race to the bottom. and so that is the concern there as well is where's this race going to go in the general -- once the general election is here. >> well, karine, when i look through a number of years back to today, i see hillary clinton, the favorable number has changed for her but the common thread has been when she run runs for president, it's gone down. she lost the primary debate to barack obama. some said hillary clinton couldn't be beaten. it went up when she was secretary of state.
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now that she's running for president, it's back down there. does that say something about her ability to communicate what you're talking about. >> well, look. i think once we get into the general election, i think that will change. she's trying to pivot there, now, but we still have a primary to consider because bernie sanders has done a great job bringing in new voters and talking about those issues, which i think the democratic party will adopt. so i think once that happens, the hope is it will all change and we'll be in a different place. >> and, robert -- go ahead, robert. >> if i could interjept for a second. when you take look at donald trump and hillary clinton,ite's wonderful juxtaposition of someone who speaks on platitudes and issues. to karine's point, i disagree with her. hillary clinton has been more substantive and more clear on the issues and what people are saying is, look, listen, i understand exactly where hillary clinton stands on the issues, i don't agree with them.
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she does have a pretty strong stance on where she wants to take this country and i don't agree with it. donald trump on the other hand, which is an interesting juxtaposition, has not spoken out on the issues, but it doesn't matter. what really matters with donald trump, at least with some republican voters is he's a winner, he speaks clearly. i don't care about the politics. all i know is he's not hillary clinton. >> we saw the numbers. in the republican primary, his unfavorables with republicans were very high in the beginning. he turned republicans down. can he do the same with general election voters or is that a different electorate? >> you're exactly right. that's a riddle i don't think anyone knows the answer to. the reanswer is the republican base is not going to be enough mathematic will i to win some of the swing states donald trump has to win. donald trump is a very unconventional candidate, we know that. but the map is very conventional. at the end of the day, he's got to win ohio, he's got win
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florida, he's probably got to wing colorado and in my opinion, virginia. him speaking in these platitudes, i just don't know if he can do it. >> all right. robert trainen and careen jean-pierre. thank you. that's going to do it for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. >> super happy to have you with us here this friday night. this has been a busy friday and there are a couple of serious stories that are still unfolding tonight as we speak that we're going to be keeping an eye on that we're going to be talking about over the night as more information comes in. one of them is this shooting that happened this afternoon in downtown washington, d.c. very, very near to the white house. apparently what happens is a man with a gun approached secret service officers right outside the white house at one of the perimeter check points that's manned by armed secret service


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