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efficiently. >> good morning. welcome to "a.m. joy." lots of politics on tap this morning but let's begin with an update on egyptair flight 804 which vanished early thursday en route from paris to cairo with 66 people on board. the search continues today for wreckage of the plane as egyptian and greek authorities have recovered what they describe as debris from the flight, including the remains of passengers, their belongings and aircraft seats. earlier this morning the egyptian military released these photos showing some of what has been recovered so far. french officials have confirmed reports that smoke was detected on the plane, but they're not speculating on the cause of the smoke or its connection to the crash. the search has still not recovered the plane's flight recorders and officials work to determine why the plane crashed. egyptian officials have said terrorism is a more likely explanation than a technical failure, but so far, there's been no claim of responsibility from any terrorist group. we will bring you more developments on the egyptair
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investigation later in the show. right now, let's turn to politics. this week, in the democratic primary, this was the chaotic scene just one week ago when senator bernie sanders supporters disrupted the democratic convention in nevada over disagreements with the state democratic party and its convention process. the convention conflict was just another round of an intra-party clash that continued this week when national, state and congressional democrats condemned the behavior of the sanders supporters and asked the senator to join them in denouncing the violence and calming things down. senator sanders responded with a dea defiant statement that called for his supporters to be treated with fairness and respect. i sat down with the man designated as the democrats' peace broker, harry reid. >> leader reid, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me. i really appreciate it. and over the last week, you have
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had conversations with the democratic caucus, with your caucus, and also with senator bernie sanders about the unfortunate events that took place in nevada at the convention. are you satisfied with the public response of senator sanders to the violence, to the threats, to the things that went on in nevada? >> well, i felt that things weren't going right in nevada so on the thursday before the saturday convention, i reached out to senator sanders and we talked on friday, and we both issued statements saying it should be a peaceful productive convention. as we learned since, it became violent. chairs thrown around and barbara boxer was harassed, and it was a large, major hotel it was held and they know how to handle crowds but about 10:00 or 10:30 they said we can't protect the
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people here anymore so we are going to close it down. so the business ended. then i talked to senator sanders, let's see, it must have been monday after the situation we had in las vegas, and he issued a statement, he said he was going to. now, i wish he had been a little more forceful in that statement, frankly, but he has told other people that he would do something soon to come out stronger so we'll just wait and see. >> you know, i think a lot of democrats who witnessed that scene and saw that, the immediate concern is that that's a portent of things to come in philadelphia. are you concerned that the democratic national convention will devolve into that same kind of acrimony? >> maybe i'm being too optimistic, i tend not to be that way but i really don't -- i really feel everything's going
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to be okay and my conversations with bernie sanders, i just hope that the people that surround him, his campaign advisors, give him the right advice. >> yeah. and you have an advantage over the rest of us in that as the leader of this caucus, you know the senator. you know senator sanders. you have known him for a long time. do you get the sense just in your personal interactions with him that this sort of pugnacious attitude the campaign is taking, is this bernie sanders or do you think it's the campaign? >> i have known bernie for quite some time and he's been an important part of my caucus. he helped me tremendously on the affordable care act. i can't say i couldn't have gotten it done without him but he was instrumental to one of the most important parts of that bill, community health centers, so i admire bernie sanders. i appreciate the direction that he's helped push us as
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democrats. so i have a lot of positive things to say about senator sanders. but again, i believe that people around him need to be more positive about what his contribution can be and should be. i think he has the ability now to be a voice in what's going on in the country, and especially when -- he's coming back to the senate, and i think that he has the ability to be a tremendously more powerful senator in our caucus than he was. he was no patsy to begin with, but he can be something much more than what he was. >> yeah. and last thing on this subject, the sanders faithful, the people who are the most passionate about his campaign, they make the charge that the democratic party apparatus, the establishment, people like yourself, the people who run the democratic party and including
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the democratic national committee, have always been on hillary's side, have done everything they could to stack the deck in her favor. do you think there is anything to the claim that the party sort of, the body of the party has moved to try to make sure that hillary clinton and not bernie sanders is the nominee? >> i don't run the dnc and i of course am generally aware what's going on. i have a different feeling than a lot of people about the dnc. i don't think it adds much to anything. the conventions aren't like they used to be. they used to be -- conventions used to be tone setting of what's going to happen. anymore, it's kind of a glamourfest for a couple of days. i'm not going to speak for the dnc but i will speak what happened in nevada. i made sure that that convention was not favoring hillary clinton. it was a fair -- even though she
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had won the state in february, i want to make sure that no one could criticize what went on there. on the credentials committee, where in all these county and state conventions where the controversy arises, we made sure there were an equal number of sanders and clinton people, and interesting, we didn't have a chair on the credentials committee. we had co-chairs, a sanders person and a clinton person. so i can't speak for the dnc. i can speak for nevada. we went out of our way to be fair to bernie, even though, even though the caucuses were won by clinton in february. >> joining me now is "washington post" national political reporter abby phillip and from reno, nevada, john ralston. john, i want to go to you on that last point. i did ask senator reid about this charge that the process at the nevada convention was unfair. you have written a lot about this. tell us what was the bone of contention?
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what is it that sanders supporters were claiming that the chairman of the nevada state party did wrong to them? >> well, there's a lot of minutae that went on. it was operating at two levels. some of the people there were locals who wanted to take over the state party, wanted more voice in the state party. they came into that convention loaded for bear. they believe roberta lang, chairwoman of the state democratic party, was essentially an agent of the hillary clinton campaign, was not going to be fair to them. they started complaining very early on after the initial credentials committee heard about, you heard harry reid talk about the kree dncredentials co came out with a report that said clinton had essentially won the convention by having more people there. there was a big voice vote to move forward. the sanders people were louder but that's not how these things work. roberta lang knew the clinton people, all voting enmasse, had more people there. it degenerated right from there into the chaos that ensued with
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barbara boxer, who came on shortly afterward harry reid alluded to that, to speak for hillary clinton, she was greeted with booing and epithets hurled at her. they put up a bernie sanders sign in front of the camera so she wouldn't be on the big screen. then everyone knows that later on, what happened with the bernie sanders folks rushing the stage and the chaos that ensued and the fact that security at a major las vegas hotel, the paris hotel, did not feel comfortable and shut the thing down, that tells you everything you need to know. >> the other issue i think a lot of sanders supporters need to understand is how many people in the room, and as you mentioned, a voice vote doesn't mean who's louder. it means who has more people. the numbers that were put out by the nevada democratic party show that hillary clinton's campaign filled 98% of their available seats. there were 27 delegate seats left vacant by the clinton side, but the bernie sanders side only filled 78% of their seats meaning they were minus 462
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people. so they were actually understaffed even from what they had had in the county elections. so john, at the end of the day, had there been a head count, had they just, had roberta lang decide to do a head count from the floor, would it have changed the outcome? >> well, yeah, let's throw aside all of the stuff that the sanders campaign is putting on about the unfairness of the rules, et cetera. if they had taken the time to do that, to take a head count, they still would have lost. but the key point you just brought up is what everyone seems to forget. the sanders folks could have won that convention easily if they had taken advantage of what they did at the county conventions. they essentially had reversed what happened at the caucus on february 20th that harry reid referred to when hillary won the state by five points. all they had to do was get their people there. none of this would have been impossible. i have to tell you, one other thing people are forgetting, harry reid said this to you, is that he was intent despite having endorsed hillary clinton, to make sure this was a fair
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process. not just because he wanted to be fair to bernie sanders, but because harry reid is very worried that nevada's going to lose its early caucus status. if the integrity of the caucus is called into question, he considers that a direct assault both on him and the caucus in nevada and the ability of the state to retain that. so they did not put their fingers on the scales. bottom line is if bernie sanders had filled those 462 delegate slots, didn't matter who was the loudest, bernie sanders would have won that convention. of course, let's not forget we are talking about maybe switching two delegates in the overall scheme of things anyhow, but bernie sanders lost that convention, he and his folks just can't accept that it was fair. >> yeah. absolutely. hillary would have won the convention i think is what you are trying to say. one last question to you. our folks on twitter are fired up about this issue and some sanders supporters are asking did you actually see chairs being thrown or can you from your reporting verify that chairs were actually thrown in the room? >> yeah. i'm getting quite a lot of heat
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on twitter. i actually turned off my notifications for the first time ever. these people are quite emotional. i did not see chairs thrown but i talked immediately afterwards to eyewitnesses who said chairs were thrown. there were people onstage, the executive director of the democratic party, and his staff saw chairs being thrown. why do people think this convention was shut down? but again, that is a distraction. there are plenty of people, eyewitnesses who saw chairs thrown. that's a distraction by the sanders people. they did rush the stage. there was chaos. i had never used the word violence. i'm not sure there was actual violence although there's video of people on the floor, i don't know how they got on the floor because of the melee that occurred. but i never said anybody was hit by chairs. people were upset. eyewitnesses saw chairs being thrown but again, i think they are focusing on that one thing to distract from a very simple fact, joy. they lost. >> yeah. i think roberta lang definitely had the messages and voice mails and we definitely heard those.
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there are reporters who have spoken with some of the people who issued those threats. abby, after this all took place, there was a meeting that took place this past tuesday within the senate democratic caucus at which harry reid presided, at which jeff merkley was part of it, apparently barbara boxer was also part of that meeting, and they sort of made decisions about how to deal with bernie sanders. apparently harry reid talked to bernie sanders, had what he thought was a good conversation, then here's an excerpt of the statement that from our reporting came out literally within minutes of what senator reid described as a positive phone call with senator sanders. the sanders campaign puts out a statement saying at the nevada convention the democratic leadership used its power, used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking police and the pugnacious statements have just gone on from there. abby, is there a sense from your reporting that bernie sanders himself or his campaign are refusing to tamp down the kind
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of conspiracy theories out of nevada even after talking with the senate leadership? >> i think the sanders campaign believes that the statement adequately addressed the question of discord at the november convention. they felt like they put a line in there saying they obviously denounce any kind of violence or chaos, but they also feel that they have to give voice to the sense among their supporters that this whole game is rigged. sanders advisors that i talk to say that he can't ignore the anger among his base and that's what that statement was about. it was about speaking to' a segment of his supporters which is a growing segment that believe that the dnc and democrats need to treat them more fairly and with more respect. >> abby, your competing paper, the "new york times" has a head line saying bernie sanders convention is willing to harm hillary clinton in the home stretch electorally. from your reporting, is that desire to, as you said, make a
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note of the anger and sort of address the anger of his supporters, is that about fund-raising, about keeping his supporters donating, about giving them a reason to go on, or does the sanders campaign itself actually believe that the democratic national committee, that the senator reid, the democrats are trying to stop him unfairly from getting the nomination? >> i think that he has to make a compelling case to get all the way through june 14th, and you know, we got some fund-raising numbers today that show he's spending a lot of money and the fund-raising spigot is really slowing down. so there's a need for him to continue to let his supporters know he's not quitting in this, and some of that has to do with just saying we're going to run a campaign like any other campaign, and we can't be concerned about how hillary clinton is going to fare in a hypothetical general election because he has to make the case to his supporters that he's actually going to be that general election candidate. it's a tricky position that he's in, and they are trying to kind
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of walk a very fine line. sanders' advisors i talked to this week say they disagree with the characterization of that story only because they say from their perspective, running a campaign is about wanting to win, and they are willing to do whatever it takes to do that, and they're not saying that they want to intentionally harm hillary clinton, but they do want to win and they have to say that, so that their supporters can come out, crucially important primary in california on june 7. >> absolutely. we will continue to watch what happens including what super delegates in nevada do after all this takes place. thank you both so much. abby is sticking around for us. coming up, the democrats are planning a message of unity at the convention this summer in philly. bernie sanders supporters may have something different in mind. that's next. if you have allergy congestion, muddling through your morning is nothing new.
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supporters of bernie sanders have obtained four protest permits from the city of philadelphia for a series of events during the democratic national convention in july. one of those events, four days of all difficult rallies, is expected to draw 30,000 people to the city. organizers told the "wall street journal" they are hoping for more. meanwhile, on capitol hill this week, senate democrats were trying to figure out how to deal with senator sanders and the growing fury of his most fervent supporters. still with me is abby phillip from the "the washington post'". let's talk a little about philadelphia. how worried are democrats that it could be a replay of nevada and what are democrats planning to do about it? >> some democrats are certainly worried about that but i think
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most democrats feel like this happens every election season. remember back in 2008, i remember being at the marriott in this time of year in may as all of the hillary supporters, pumas who didn't believe in party unity, protesting, throwing things, screaming and yelling about the idea they weren't going to seat the michigan and florida delegates who moved their state conventions and primaries up earlier against the dnc's permission and they weren't going to seat them for hillary. everyone was saying we will never unify as a party, it's just going to be horrible, going to be terrible, and of course, they unified and the democrats are fine and by the end of the general election everything was totally fine. i think the same will happen this time around. you will have five months of donald trump versus hillary clinton. by the end it will be hard to imagine bernie supporters who would still vote for donald trump. >> you are doing reporting at the "washington post" on what the democrats plan to do at the
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convention, the headline being dnc to offer sanders a convention concession. what will the concessions be? >> well, some of this is procedural about some of the things the sanders campaign wants in terms of the committees who run the convention, who write the platform, and particularly the platform is where we are hearing this week they are in talks to give the sanders a few more voices on a critical committee within the platform committee so that when we get to philadelphia, bernie sanders is expected to try to frame the democratic party platform in a way that is more reflective of his campaign thus far than perhaps hillary clinton's or barack obama's which is what the platform reflects right now. so for the sanders campaign, that was critically important but they definitely want more. i think we will expect them to raise concerns about other parts of this process as well as we go forward. >> another piece of reporting i want to ask you about very
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quickly, this question of whether bernie sanders, the senator, is speaking differently to his colleagues in the senate about what he plans to do going forward than his campaign is communicating with his supporters. behind the scenes, can you tell us whether bernie sanders is giving assurances to his party, to people like harry reid and chuck schumer, that no, once we get to philadelphia i will be a team player? >> i think they do intend to be team players. but you have to remember, the platform thing, as you know, is part of the normal process of the democratic party. also, the republican party. so bernie sanders believes and i think he's articulating to his colleagues who know him well that they are going to work within the rules, but they are going to insist between now and philadelphia that the rules are crafted in a way that is favorable to them. i think that his colleagues believe that sanders is acting in good faith. i think some of the statements that have come out of the campaign have surprised them because they are a little bit
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more forceful and defiant than the conversations that are happening behind the scenes, but i think many of them also believe that that is par for the course, that sanders has a responsibility to his supporters to stick up for himself and for them, and that that's what we're seeing on the public side. >> par for the course because i want you to listen to what jeff weaver, the bernie sanders campaign manager, had to say specifically about debbie wasserman schultz and the dnc and tell me whether or not this is something you would consider to be political par for the course. >> the chairwoman of the democratic national committee, it's been pretty clear almost from the get-go that she has been working against bernie sanders. there's no doubt about it. >> you think she's greasing the skids for hillary clinton? >> i don't know what her motivation is but it's clear there's a pattern of conduct from the beginning of this campaign that has been a hostile to bernie sanders and his supporters and really, she's really become a divisive figure in the party.
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>> speaking of that, there are clinton supporters who are telling folks like the hill that they believe the sanders campaign, whether they think it's bernie sanders himself or his campaign, are stoking these fires and really attempting to in the words of one, burn down the house. it's the worst case scenario said one clinton ally. unfortunately he's choosing the path of burning down the house. when you talk to clinton supporters, do they feel this is par for the course or are they increasingly concerned that the goal of the sanders campaign is scorch the earth if he doesn't get the nomination? >> i certainly -- there is a lot of concern within the clinton campaign. i think they both want to give bernie sanders the opportunity to go all the way through the primaries as hillary clinton went all the way through the primaries in 2008. the problem, though, is that she has to now run a sort of two-legged race. she has to turn and pivot and attack and handle donald trump while also still managing bernie sanders and i think that's a really tough race to run. it's a really tough box to be in because there's a lot of concern from clinton supporters saying
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this is now damaging to the party and especially given the tone that bernie sanders is taking, that it's vitriolic and they need to start talking about uniting the party. they begin to look at her statements back in 2008 to point to when she began to unite the party and soften her tone, so there is that sort of two-legged race she's running right now or three-legged race which is very tough for her and that's why you see so much concern about the tone among certain supporters. >> what does it moon thean thate sanders is down to $5 million in cash on hand and hillary clinton has 30? >> it means there's almost no margin for error here. he has to run another month's worth of primaries and in fact, the most expensive primary is coming up on june 7 in california. he has to continue to raise a lot of money which might explain why you see some of the rhetoric coming from jeff weaver and
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sanders himself, and he has to not spend as much. so we can expect to see them try to hold off on television advertising for as long as possible. they will try to trim their staff as much as they can to compete effectively but not spend too much money because they really don't have it. >> and get that free media. keep that in mind. thank you both very much. we'll be back later in the show. up next, will this summer's democratic convention be an '80s throwback? stay with us.
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the bitter divide between supporters of hillary clinton and bernie sanders has some democrats worried about the convention in philadelphia and whether it will be a throwback to the contentious contests of the past. will this year's convention be a replay of 1968, with its violent clashes between anti-war protesters and police in chicago? or a repeat of the 1972 debacle
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when a marathon battle over george mcgovern's vice presidential pick meant mcgovern's acceptance speech didn't begin until after 2:00 a.m.? >> sunrise service. >> or will it be a carbon copy of 1980, the year "dallas" dominated the tv ratings, "the empire strikes back" was a force at the box office and the democrats were falling apart. the democratic primary that year pitted a favorite of the left, ted kennedy -- >> today i formally announce that i'm a candidate for president of the united states. >> -- against president jimmy carter, the unpopular incumbent facing one crisis after another. from the iran hostage standoff to high unemployment. kennedy trailed carter by 700 delegates going into the convention, but still took his fight to the convention floor, where he lost a challenge to party rules that bound delegates on the first ballot. only then did kennedy concede defeat in a speech many consider the best of his career.
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>> the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die. >> but after carter's acceptance speech there was no kumbaya moment to signify party unity. just an awkward, belated handshake, a sign of the uphill battle awaiting carter. in november, he lost in a landslide to ronald reagan. >> all i can say to all of you is thank you. >> in a republican tidal wave that was the beginning of the so-called reagan revolution. it would be 12 years before the democrats reclaimed the white house with the election of bill clinton. no wonder the party is nervous. coming up, is the 2016 election a referendum on the second amendment? stay with us.
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boom, you over here, boom. they just stood there and just shot everybody. no guns on the other side, folks. if you would have had guns on the other side, if i took a couple of these folks in here, some especially wearing the red caps, make america great again, i promise there wouldn't have been 130 people killed and hundreds of people lying in the hospital to this day. there might have -- it might not have happened. >> donald trump courted the gun aficionado vote during his address at the national rifle association convention in louisville, kentucky. contrast that with hillary clinton's plans tonight to deliver the keynote speech at the annual circle of mothers event held by the foundation created by trayvon martin's mom. the foundation offers support to families who have lost a loved one to gun violence. talk about a contrast. on one side, trump speaking to a room full of gun owners who oppose any and all restrictions on firearms. on the other, clinton speaking in a room full of mothers who lost their children to gun violence. joining me, new york state
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democratic party executive director basil smikel, juan manuel benitez and jay newton small. gentlemen, basil, i will start with you, donald trump's gambit to essentially take what happened in paris and turn it into sort of a cartoon, i think you can say, when we talk about the quote unquote scenario of a good guy with a gun, does that help to grow his base or is it reinforcing a base he already has? >> it's reinforcing a base he has already accumulated and solidified really since his campaign started. you know, if you go back and listen to a lot of the rhetoric, this isn't much different. the way that he's coming at hillary clinton sort of reminds of bush/dukakis. i expect a willy horton ad very soon. it's scary stuff, particularly in this environment. there's really no place for it. but the reality is it's not going to stop. >> the thing is, you look at the reality of it, the way trump
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talks about it was sort of, kind of casual, almost, and it was on a day when you had a man shot by secret service agents outside the white house, an actual incident in which the quote unquote good guy trained secret service agents had to use a gun and when american gun deaths in the u.s., 12,589 people in 2014, 13,419 people in 2015, and to date, already over 5,000 people killed by gun violence. is this -- why is this an issue that democrats don't seem to be able to communicate that kind of information in a way that helps them? >> it's too complicated. it's easier to appeal to the fears of americans right now. they are really scared because of what's happening in this country and overseas. we are seeing donald trump trying to convince different sectors of the republican party or conservative movement to really come and support him in his candidacy that nobody thought was going to succeed, and now by default, all of them, we shouldn't be surprised the
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nra is endorsing him. they will all fall behind his candidacy. >> if i can also add, i think part of the challenge is that when leaders talk about these gun deaths, it's almost that there's a ghettoization of this problem. oh, that's happening in urban areas, that's blacks and latinos, they don't know how to act, but clearly that is not the case. >> as a matter of fact let's talk specifically about where gun deaths are happening. if you go and look at a list of states that have the highest levels of gun violence and compare that to the states with the weakest gun laws, the states with the most gun violence, you can see the red states are the ones with the highest gun violence. it's across the south. so across the south, as you see there, that is where the most intensity of gun violence is. you compare that to the weak versus strong gun laws. louisiana has the highest level of gun violence, alaska, alabama, arizona, mississippi, look at that crossover with the states with the weakest gun laws. mississippi appearing on both lists. arizona appearing on both lists. to your point, it's not as if
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there's a correlation between letting there be more guns out there and less gun violence. >> right. you take states like new york, for example, i applaud governor cuomo. there have been leaders who have said in the wake of substantial violence, let's do something about it but when you get on the state level, especially when you are dealing with republican legislatures, that's where you are getting the blockage. >> don't forget when he's not talking about this, he's not saying this in a vacuum. we are talking about a huge powerful industry in this country that is pushing its product to consumers. to american consumers. and at the same time, it's financing many campaigns in washington just to keep the same stronghold in this country and keep selling guns to americans. >> i want to bring you in, jane, because it is an interesting concept. two completely different groups of voters the candidates are speaking to. i want to first play hillary clinton talking about the issue of sandy hook and she's really
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connected that kind of violence to her current stance on guns. >> i am here to tell you i will use every single minute of every day if i'm so fortunate enough to be your president looking for ways that we can save lives, that we can change the gun culture. it is just too easy for people to reach for a gun to solve their problems. it makes no sense and we can do this consistent with the second amendment. we can do this with the support of responsible gun owners. >> we can do this consistent with the second amendment, we can do it consistent with responsibl gun owners. but listen to how donald trump, on the other hand, is talking about and getting at that same issue. >> hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. just remember that. we're not talking about change it. she wants to abolish the second amendment. so we're not going to let that
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happen, i can tell thaw right now. we are going to preserve it. we are going to cherish it. we are going to take care of it. >> given the fact there is literally no overlap between those two sets of voters that are being spoken to by hillary clinton and donald trump, who is in play on the gun issue? who's left to be in play? >> well, this is actually just a straight base play for both hillary clinton and donald trump at a time where donald trump is trying to unite his base, there's questions about whether he's a true social conservative, whether he's a true fiscal conservative, if he's hawkish enough. this is one issue where he really is very strong with the base. for him as he's trying to consolidate all the support behind him doing this very strong play on guns is a very very strong base play. it's the same thing for hillary clinton as she's trying to, this is the one issue or one of the few issues where she really is to the strongly to the left of bernie sanders and she's trying to unite the party around her and sort of post-primary the gun play again is very strong for her and has been throughout her entire primary with bernie. for both of these candidates,
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this is a straight and very strong play to their bases and there is no overlap in independent voters here. >> very quickly, one of the things donald trump has tried to communicate to his party as a reason to get behind him, he's saying he could actually put states like new york in play. with that kind of stance on an issue like guns, is that realistic? >> well, my guess is that there is a constituency that he's talking to because for all the talk that we have in this election and previous elections saying latinos are going to decide the election or other segments of the voting population, i think in play right now we have non-urban white men. i think that's the sector of the electorate that he's trying to court and that we are going to keep seeing both candidates trying to appeal to with issues like this one or many other and they are at play. >> thank you very much to juan manuel. appreciate it. coming up, we will have the latest on egyptair flight 804.
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sglp i'm saying to myself what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong. >> we cannot continue to let things like this happen. we are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists and we are -- this world is changing and another couple of planes go down, you're going to have a depression worldwide the likes of which you have never seen. >> chris, it does appear that it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, of course, the investigation will have to determine. but once again, it shines a very bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups and i think it reinforces
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the need for american leadership, for the kind of smart, steady leadership that only america can provide. >> investigators are continuing to search for clues to exactly what downed egyptair flight 804 with 66 people on board. while they have not ruled out terrorism, they have not concluded that it was a terrorist act, either. no terrorist groups have claimed responsibility. new this morning, french officials confirmed that there was smoke detected near the cockpit before the crash, but warned it's too early to say what that could mean. joining me from philadelphia is malcolm nantz, author of "defeating isis who they are how they fight and when they believe." we heard the contest between the way would-be president donald trump and would-be president hillary clinton responded to what happened to this egyptair flight. when donald trump says anybody who thinks that the plane wasn't blown out of the sky is 100% wrong, how do you react to that
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as a terrorism analyst? >> well, i have served in the intelligence capacity under presidents since ronald reagan and anyone who is in this business knows that we work on the basis of evidence and we also know that the intelligence that's passed up to any potential commander in chief has national command authority and leader of the armed forces, stability of the words of the president of the united states are paramount to helping our allies maintain security throughout the world. so wild, rash statements like this, even if it does eventually turn out to be accurate, it does nothing toward bringing stability, certainly to the national security elements that are trying to work this mission right now. >> if a president were to make a statement like that, much less to tweet such a statement, but if he were to make such a bombastic definitive statement and turn out to be wrong, what could be the consequences if a u.s. president were to do something like that? >> well, this is why the
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president of the united states is not a chief executive officer of a business. statements like that or statements, you know, which destabilize the norms of how the president of the united states speaks actually cost businesses money. egyptair has had a series of mishaps but has managed to maintain solvency. the airlines and airport support agencies which bring food, water, fuel to these airliners, all of these are affected. this is why the president of the united states, the national security apparatus, the law enforcement apparatus of every nation, will only say what they actually know. pundits like myself and us in the media can speculate all we want, but the word of the commander in chief actually impacts every person in the world and actually impacts the world stock markets and of course, they run on stability. they don't run on statements drawn out of thin air.
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>> given that, you did see that essentially the president of the united states, the actual president, barack obama, didn't say anything. he said nothing. his spokesman had some statements. you saw what donald trump said. hillary clinton also did make a statement in which she said it does appear that it was an act of terrorism, exactly how the investigation will have to determine but once again it shines a very bright light on the threats we face from organized terror groups. if you were advising hillary clinton, do you think it was wise for her to make any sort of statement? >> well, she's in a position just like donald trump where they can state their opinion. she may have a more grounded ability to evaluate the initial information by speaking to people in the intelligence community. she has a very broad background as secretary of state. and initially right out of the box, myself, based on what little information we had, we could speculate about things like that. i think politically for her, she needed to come out and say that because she knew donald trump was going to come out and say something along those lines. there's more than -- there's
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enough evidence for punditry to make that kind of speculation. but certainly as this goes forward and she becomes the presumptive nominee, both parties who become prosummiesum nominees have to be extremely careful because what they say will impact things around the world. one of the two will become president of the united states and it will have an impact on the words they say. >> i want to play what fbi director james comey had to say not only about this incident but also about something that we have all experienced who have been in airports lately. >> i don't want to say anything that connects to egyptair because we don't know what that was yet. what i can tell you is that the lines are an enormous pain but please know the lines reflect a commitment in this country to make air travel safe. >> tsa obviously is something we all have to deal with when we travel. is the security apparatus that we have in the united states through the tsa administration,
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is it substantially different or more stringent than what you see in europe? is there a reason for the long lines that has to do with security? >> oh, it's far more stringent in the united states than in europe right now. if you go anywhere like london or paris, you will see, they are still using contractors who are providing security. their lines although they are a little quicker, they don't check the shoes unless they are going to the united states, they operate a little smoother, but they also have smaller capacity than we do in the united states. we suffered a catastrophic disaster on 9/11 with the hijackings of our aircraft. the national commitment to nationalizing these officers and making them part of an administration which has strict oversight is a commitment that the american people made. people need to just take more time and go out to the airport earlier. >> all right. malcolm, thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up in our next hour, the documentary donald trump doesn't want you to see. don't go anywhere. much more after the break.
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chapter six, threaten the lawyer the polish illegals hire after your cheap contractor defaults on paying them. make sure the threats are untraceable in case the guy isn't scared off. >> mr. barron had told me in the one telephone conversation that i had with him that donald trump was upset because i was ruining his credit reputation by filing the mechanics liens and that mr. trump was thinking of filing a personal lawsuit against me for $100 million for defaming his reputation. >> it turned out that mr. barron was donald trump's favorite alias. when this was revealed, trump said what of it? earnest heminingway used a pen name. a core theme of trump is that he's a nationalist robin hood, who can bring jobs back to
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the little guy. the clip you just saw is from a documentary film detailing trump's actual business practices, whether he's actually been that successful, and how he treated the real life little guys who worked for him. the film "trump, what's the deal" was produced in 1991 but the film makers say it was never relooeased publicly because dond trump shut it down by threatening lawsuits. now the film is available online just as donald trump is poised to become the republican presidential nominee. the film includes details about trump's alleged use of aliases like the now notorious fake names john miller and john barron not just to promote himself but also to intimidate people. trump has recently denied ever using those aliases but the "washington post" last week reported on a 1990 lawsuit in which trump admitted under oath to using the name john barron while describing his rise to the top of the real estate game in the 1980s. the documentary unpacks
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allegations around trump's use of around 200 underpaid polish immigrants who all lacked working papers during the construction of trump tower. trump has previously said he did not know the legal status of the workers. when asked recently, he said the allegation was wrong and that he was not directly involved in hiring workers. by the way, we did reach out to the trump campaign for a statement on the documentary but we have not heard back. joining me now is film maker and producer of "trump, what's the deal" libby handros along with david k. johnston. thank you for being here. i will start on the issue of the film actually never being seen at the time. what happened after you made the film and attempted to get it shown? >> well, what happened was we found out -- you got to go back to when we completed the film. it's the late '80s, early '90s. there are no cable stations like the one we are all watching this morning. there are three networks and a couple of independent stations, and the film was designed to be -- was originally the pilot for a whole series on celebrity
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businessmen. this was the first. and as we started completing the film we had a trailer and a distributor and we started to hear back from our distributor that nobody wanted the film. when we queried more we found out they were being threatened by donald that if they took the film, donald would sue them. of course, even if a lawsuit has no merit, you have got to answer it. nobody wanted the problems entailed with all of that. basically the film sat on a shelf for 25 years and four years ago when donald started to make noise about running, we dusted it off, we took a look at it, we said this is still a really good film, so it was ready to roll when he announced in july that he was going to run for president and we put it out online. >> one of the things that's interesting is that you do talk about this sort of celebrity culture of the 1980s where sort of wealth itself was worshipped. we remember lifestyles of the rich and famous but celebrity
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busine wealth were worshipped too. >> that enabled him to get away with everything he has done. he was a master at getting headlines and nobody looked beneath at what he was saying to them. if he said, for example, we detail how when he was marketing trump tower, he said that queen elizabeth was going to buy an apartment in trump tower. on the face of it that's an incredible statement. buckingham palace said of course at no time was she ever going -- >> even thinking about it. >> -- to buy an apartment. but the story ran. we also detail how, for example, donald said gorbachev was going to stop at trump tower. no, of course not. >> david, on the darker side of some of the details we get out of this film, were number one in the construction of trump tower, some of the substandard building materials used, the way that he used tax credits that were designed for building low income housing to build highly leveraged buildings with other people's money. talk a little about this issue of these polish workers.
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what donald trump did to them and how john barron figured into it. >> well, donald through a subcontractor hired about 200 polish men, most of whom were here in the country illegally, and they worked alongside members of the house [ inaudible ]. normally that site would be shut down right away but the mob controlled these unions and donald had the same lawyer as the mobsters and donald had no trouble, therefore, with the unions because of this. there's good reason to think donald met personally with fat tony salerno, the head of the biggest crime family in new york, and donald didn't pay these workers that were supposed to be paid. they were only to get $4 to $6 an hour and no benefits. they slept on the site. many did not have hardhats. they were taking live wires out of the walls with no gloves. they were working with asbestos and they had no face masks. and never once did a federal job
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inspector or state job inspector show up, to our knowledge, at that website and donald eventually was found after trial to have given testimony that wasn't credible. he said he had no idea what was going on. he had an office across the street with a picture window view and he went to the state. a judge found his testimony lacked credibility and donald had engaged in a conspiracy to cheat these workers out of their money. >> the thing that john barron piece plays into it is essentially what? how did this fake persona of john barron wind up playing into that controversy over the workers? >> well, the john barron character was used as part of the campaign to intimidate people not to pursue their rightful claims against donald because they were not being paid. he also used john barron to try and trick various journalists into thinking he was a p.r. man for them, and it's part of a general donald trump strategy to trick people and deceive them which he brags about in his book and to intimidate them.
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donald called me april 27th to tell me he was going to sue me if he doesn't like what i write about him. i'm not intimidate-able. i have run down a cold-blooded murder and run into a burning building. but lots of journalists are. he's trying very hard to make sure the american people don't know the quality of his character and conduct. >> and the mistreatment of the polish workers who were taking live wires out with their bare hands, no protections, no safety, and not being paid properly, this actually came up during the primary. i want you guys to listen to marco rubio attempting to bring this up in really just the a awkwardest way and not getting the information out. >> you are the only person in this stage who has ever been fined to hire people to work on your projects illegally. >> i'm the only one on the stage that's hired people. you haven't hired anybody. >> in fact, some of the people -- >> i hired tens of thousands of
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people over my -- >> you hired 1,000 people from another company -- from another country. let me just say -- hold on. this is important. he hired workers from poland and he had to pay $1 million or so in a judgment. >> wrong. that's wrong. >> that's a fact. >> david, you saw the way donald trump was able to shut down marco rubio's attempt to get this very information out. is that how he's been able to get away with these kinds of blatant scandals that are precisely against the same kind of working class little guy that he claims to be defending? is that how he does it? >> that's exactly how he does it. rubio made a factual error. it wasn't $1 million which donald exploited but donald always tries to shout down, shut off, say it's not true. donald has a well-documented history of inflating numbers about his wealth and income and making up things about other people, and trying to turn the crowd against really hearing what's going on. we need to understand his conduct and his character if we are going to give him the nuclear launch codes.
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>> i want to play one more piece from your documentary. this is about another aspect of donald trump you bring out, his treatment much ivana trump and women. >> everyone that works for donald spends 50% of their time worrying about incurring donald's wrath except for one person. ivana trump. he said she spends 90% of her time trying to worry about how not to get donald to yell at her and how not to incur his wrath. >> when trump bought the plaza hotel he made her president. her salary he said would be $1 a year and all the dresses she could buy. a way of complimenting her and putting her in her place at the same time. >> he treats people i have seen people treated horribly including his own family, by him. extraordinary verbal assaults. >> is that consistent with what you learned about donald trump's general treatment of women? >> definitely. definitely. he hires women but then he has a way of belittling them in the workplace and not giving them their due. he also can be very unpleasant
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to the men who work for him as well. to be fair, he's probably not the easiest and nicest employer in the world to work for. we also tell the story in the film of a helicopter crash that killed three of his top executives in atlantic city and after mourning them like a week later, he blamed them in "new york times" for the collapse of his atlantic city empire. is that how you treat dead beloved workers? >> not only that, but the subcontractor who he got to redo the ice rink, i didn't even know this until watching your film, that he was actually behind getting the ice rink in central park redone, but tell us what he did with that subcontractor. >> it's a very standard trick donald plays. he gets paid and he gets everybody else either to carry the bill or do the work for -- out of their own pocket. for example, on the rink he was paid a management fee but he got all the subcontractors to do it pro bono. they didn't realize at the time he was going to take a fee. in atlantic city when he went bankrupt, he got a huge
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management fee but all the workers in the casinos lost their pensions, lost their benefits and vendors were left holding the bag, too, as well. >> yeah. i recommend that everybody take a look at this film. libby, thank you so much. "trump, what's the deal" is available on itunes. i highly recommend people take a look at it. thank you for being here. thank you to david k. johnston. appreciate it. after the break, can hillary clinton secure the democratic nomination without the help of super delegates? first, vice president joe biden is speaking to graduates at the u.s. military academy at west point today. let's listen in. >> i was going up to fort bonsteel which was just being built. as we drove up a rutted road on a hill with our tires spinning with the driver, we got halfway up the mountain. literally cutting the top of a mountain off to put on an airfield and barracks. my driver turned back to us and looked out the window, he looked up and said america, america and
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there. take a look. this is how the numbers break down right now. this is the pledge delegate column, the one we always talk about on primary nights on caucus nights, these are the delegates you actually get in these states. you see here, these are the super delegates, the elected officials, party leaders, they automatically get votes. they favor hillary clinton strongly. they are not locked in. they could still technically change their minds. what the sanders campaign has been saying is look, if we can overtake her in this pledged column, we will have an argument to make to the super delegates that the will of the people is this. you have to go along with it. so that's what the sanders campaign is saying. from the clinton campaign's standpoint, the question is could she go over the top and become the nominee just with pledged delegates. let's take a look at the numbers. you need 2383 to be the nominee. right now, she has 1771 from those pledged delegates. now, that means she's 612 short. here's the bad news for hillary clinton. there are only 781 pledged
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delegates left to be given out. if she wants to hit a majority to make her the nominee just with pledged delegates, she needs to basically get 80% from here on out and take a look at the map here. these are the states left. these are the pledged delegates. again, she needs to come up with 612. you can see, look, if she has a good day in new jersey, the polls are strong for her there, if she has a good day there, she probably picks up 80. if you went down to d.c., looks good for her there. virgin islands, puerto rico, she could do -- she could get 15 out of d.c. on a good day, 45 out of here. that could be another 60 she shaves off. that would be 140. where does that bring you down to? that brings you down to 472. you still have a lot of work to do. you go into these states, they look like bernie sanders states. breaking even here would be good for hillary clinton. maybe she could take 50 delegates out of here. that would bring her down to 422. then there would be one state left, california.
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only 475 total delegates up for grabs there. it's a proportional system. bernie sanders is pretty close to her in the polls there. to get 422 delegates out of that one state, she would need 90%, 95% of the vote, something like that. it doesn't look like hillary clinton is going to be able to claim the democratic nomination just with pledged delegates. when bernie sanders says hey, she's going to need super delegates to put her over the top, she is probably going to need super delegates to put her over the top. >> thank you very much to msnbc's steve kornacki. i want to bring in brian fallon, national press secretary for the hillary clinton campaign. you just saw that math by our own steve kornacki. if in fact hillary clinton cannot get to the magic number on pledged delegates alone, are the bernie sanders supporters, do they have a point in saying he still has a moral claim on the nomination if she can't do it with just pledged delegates? >> no, because think of the implication of that argument. by every standard, hillary clinton has a significant lead. if you look at the popular vote,
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a lead of about three million votes. in terms of pledged delegates, a lead of approaching 300 which far exceeds the largest lead that president obama ever had over senator clinton in 2008. she's won more primary states. by every facet, she is in a commanding lead right now over senator sanders so what he's essentially suggesting is that despite all of that, despite her lead in the pledged delegates, despite her popular vote lead, that the super delegates should thwart the outcome as expressed through the popular will of the people through this process and swing the election to him. that would be the un-democratic outcome here. >> here's the thing. i have to take you back just for a moment to the arguments that then candidate hillary clinton who was behind in pledged delegates, behind senator barack obama at the time. this is the moral argument she was making specifically about the state of michigan, which had moved its primary up early in contravention to dnc rules but went ahead and held a primary
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anyway. this is hillary clinton in march 2008. >> generations of brave men and women marched and protested, risked and gave their lives for this right and it is because of them that both senator obama and i stand before you as candidates for the democratic nomination. senator obama speaks passionately on the campaign trail about empowering the american people. today, i'm urging him to match those words with actions. >> that was hillary clinton arguing that president obama, then senator obama, should join her in allowing and calling for the michigan votes and also the florida votes to count and this is what the "washington post" reported on march 20, 2008. obama's supporters among the super delegates who are likely to ultimately decide the nomination conceded they still fear a late winning streak by clinton, a big win in pennsylvania on april 22nd followed by victories in indiana, west virginia, kentucky, puerto rico, could
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change super delegate thinking on which candidate is more electable. clinton victories in florida and michigan revotes could make matters worse for obama. at the time, hillary clinton was making the moral case that super delegates should essentially overturn the super delegate lead of barack obama based on this moral case she was making. how is bernie sanders' argument any different? >> i don't quite agree with that characterization of the argument she was making there. i think the dispute over some of those states including michigan, the importance of that in terms of what she was arguing in 2008 was by that count if you counted those states, she had a popular vote lead over president obama and the delegate lead in terms of the pledged delegates was much closer than it is now. in terms of the state of the race here, she has a popular vote lead of three million votes. there's no controversy about a particular state that moved up in the calendar that gives any argument to senator sanders that by any math, he could possibly claim to have a popular vote
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lead over evesecretary clinton. we are confident we will have a majority of pledged delegates, a significant popular vote lead, so at that point, i'm not sure what argument senator sanders would be taking to the super delegates. there's not a single rationale that should cause the super delegates to swing the outcome in favor of someone who finished second in pledged delegates. >> one of the arguments that bernie sanders campaign will take to philadelphia is that the democratic national committee headed by debbie wasserman schultz, long-time ally of hillary clinton who was with her in 2008, who clearly, you can tell she prefers hillary clinton this time around, they will make the argument the dnc did everything it could to make sure hillary clinton was ahead. they timed the debate scheduled for hillary clinton, they have written the rules in a way that benefits hillary clinton. they are even stacking the chairmanships at the convention with hillary clinton allies. couldn't they make the case that the process from beginning to end has been pro-clinton at the dnc level? >> i don't think that reflects
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what we have seen play out the last several months. the highest turnout contests, senator sanders has won a good number of states and you have to tip your cap. he's run a remarkable campaign. but in terms of the primary states that have seen the highest turnout, those are the states that hillary clinton has won over senator sanders in commanding fashion. senator sanders tends to do better in some of the states that have lower turnout and that's why you see a three million popular vote lead for secretary clinton right now. so it's not even close from the perspective of the popular vote, and the elections that have been set up in terms of these primaries and caucuses are administered by the state parties in many cases. i'm not sure what argument senator sanders will be making with respect to the dnc. >> you still the end of the day if hillary clinton is the nominee have to try to win over bernie sanders supporters. what concessions is the candidate willing to make to the things that bernie sanders supporters want? is she willing to go, for instance, to a $15 minimum wage full stop? >> i'm not going to prejudge the outcome on any of these policy
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issues that i suspect the platform committee will want to entertain. but i can say that in terms of the process that gets run, we want the makeup of that committee to be representative. we want sanders supporters to have their voices heard through that process. we want to have a completely consultative process that entertains a variety of views so there's buy-in in what gets developed in terms of the party platform this summer. i'm not going to prejudge where the platform may end up on any particular policy question, but i can guarantee we are going to set this process up in a way where no one can cry foul or claim that any voices were shut out. that's the first step. >> just very quickly, when's the last time hillary clinton has spoken to bernie sanders? do they plan to meet at any time before the convention? >> i suspect they will talk again before the convention for sure. but look, they have been both focused on waging their respective campaigns and are touring the states and visiting and meeting with voters individually. they have communicated from time
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to time. there's been a few instances on election nights over the course of this process where they have connected to congratulate each other when they have won respective contests. both of our staffs communicate regularly, routinely, see each other at the debates and other joint appearances. so i think that there will be lines of communication that are open and at the appropriate time, as this primary process concludes in the middle of june, i think the consultations will begin in earnest. both sides have to do their part to bring the party together. secretary clinton will certainly do her part. we hope and expect senator sanders will do his. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, more of my conversation with senate minority leader harry reid. what he has to say about president obama and who he blames for the rise of donald trump. i have a blog called "daddy doing work", it's funny that i've been in the news for being a dad. windows 10 is great because i need to keep organized. school, grocery shopping. my face can unlock this computer. that's crazy.
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take a listen to more of my wide-ranging interview with senate democratic leader harry reid. in the past, when you have
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talked about that kind of obstruction, you haven't been shy about saying you think it comes in part down to president obama's race. do you stand by that? >> well, i have never said that but i say enough that people can draw their own conclusion. to his credit, barack obama has not used his race in ways that people -- some people think he should. he's a very private person and they think he's an illegitimate president and one of the people -- i'm sorry, one of the groups that has created donald trump is the congress, the republican congress. donald trump was one of the first that said that obama wasn't born in the united states, he was kenyan. he was part of the birthers. what has gone on the last seven and a half years has created donald trump. the republicans are done it. they deserve this flawed man because everything he talks
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about, immigration, going after muslims, they carry the responsibility to step forward and stop all that nonsense but they didn't do that. >> you can see much more of our interview tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. up next, veep stakes. stay with us. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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news gingrich is in fact on the short list and the list may very well be quite short because many of the names that have been circulating through the beltway media seem dubious at the moment. let's take a look at some of the options for the donald. newton gingrich, 72 years old, out of georgia, former speaker, the advantage of gingrich, trump has said he wants someone with governing experience that understands washington. gingrich definitely fits the bill. there has been talk that trump has met with gingrich to consider putting him on the ticket. the question is whether republicans in washington would be happy with him. next choice, governor chris christie. the much beleaguered friend and person in charge of the transition team for trump, he brings a potential purple state crossover. 53 years old, not a lot of places to go, termed out as governor. could he wind up on the ticket? that depends on whether you think he could deliver new jersey. given his low approval ratings, doesn't seem highly likely. let's move to marco rubio.
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rubio was belittled by donald trump, he called him little marco, he put him down. but you have heard his name circulated including by ben carson, who has mentioned him as someone on the short list. the reporting right now is that rubio is job hunting and not for a job in politics. he famously didn't like being in the senate so not clear that we be helpful to him as a washington insider. we move to ted cruz, another person who was belittled by donald trump as lyin' ted but more recently, trump has been saying nice things about cruz, saying he's a good guy. would cruz be willing to go from an obstructionist in the senate into the white house where he could potentially help donald trump on policy stuff? difficult to say but look where he's from. he's from texas. this doesn't bring him a state that donald trump doesn't already have. he does give him youth and he is latino. could be interesting for the donald. john kasich, the governor of ohio. kasich said he's not interested but look at that state. the most important thing that he
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would bring to a ticket is that the ability to help donald trump out in a state where john kasich actually won in the primary and where he's fairly popular and where importantly, just ask nina turner, he's made outreach to democrats and african-americans, kind of a hallmark of his campaign. donald trump could certainly use some help with that. he could use some help with a different image, something john kasich could potentially deliver. on to susanna martinez. she is latina, somebody who could help him out with women and in theory, could do both those things except for the fact donald trump is so unpopular with women and so unpopular with latinos, even if martinez were on the ticket, something there's indications that beltway republicans would really, really like, why would she do it? what's in it for her to get out of new mexico, where she also has some issues with her own political campaigns and her own political potential issues, why would she want to put her brand on donald trump's? not sure why she would do it.
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olympia snowe, who might be able to help trump out with the votes of women. but trump might not be all that interested in her. very beltway, very establishment, but could she help him out with women? who knows. that brings us to sarah palin. no. i don't think he's going to pick sarah palin but her name is on the list. pam bondi is young, she is blonde, she is attractive. somebody you could see trump cozy up to. pam bondi is a big-time rick scott ally. could she help him deliver the state of florida that will be very tough because it is clinton country. who knows. 50 years old, former fox news personality. i think she's somebody you have to consider. maybe potentially being someone for donald's ticket. let's listen to an expert on the subject. our friend harry reid, senate minority leader, with his take. your thoughts on the idea of chris christie as a vp choice for donald trump?
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>> he could do worse. i don't know how, but he could. >> what about ted cruz? >> he would do worse with ted cruz than christie. >> sarah palin? >> that would be a "saturday night live" forever but it wouldn't be saturday night live. it would be all day long. >> what about newt gingrich? >> newt gingrich might be better than any of the rest you mentioned. >> i will throw a wild card in. >> who's that? >> susana martinez. >> i don't know the woman very much at all. she's had a little mini scandal going on recently. i'm sure that won't help things. >> lastly, marco rubio. >> marco rubio's a fine man. he should have stayed here in the senate. he would have been a tremendously good senator. but he got too ambitious for his own good. i'm not sure with all the back and forth they did between each other that that would last very long. >> joining me now from miami is news radio host and pollster,
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fernand anandi and kaydon dawson. let me start with you, fernand. start with marco rubio. this idea was floated by ben carson about putting rubio on the ticket. you were down there, you are my florida expert. is there any chance of that happening? >> well, everything i'm hearing says absolutely no way. apparently the personal rancor between the two really did indeed get very personal. marco rubio just not a fan of donald trump. i don't see that happening. in spite of the fact that i think for the trump campaign, they would love to have him on the ticket because they think he checks a lot of important boxes for them. he's young, he's hispanic, he comes from the ultimate swing state prize, florida, and i think from their point of view that would be a great pick. i just don't see it happening in the cards. there's another thing here. vice presidential picks a lot gets made of it but for donald trump, this is indeed an important pick because it's his first major decision where he's telling the country here's who i
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think should be qualified to be president of the united states were anything to happen to me. just watching this process over the years, i don't see donald picking another alpha male or female, for that matter. he's just not comfortable with anything that doesn't have the spotlight on him. that's why i think chris christie, who he has some people think emasculated throughout this process in spite of his support for donald, he seems to be the guy that i and a lot of folks look back to as the likely pick for donald trump. >> it's a good point. there's no way chris christie will overshadow him, especially not now since he made him the umbrella carrier for his campaign. but on the point about wanting somebody who number one won't outflash or outshine donald trump, but who has some governing experience, that's where we get back to newt gingrich. there has been a lot of chatter about trump meeting with gingrich, wanting someone who is a washington insider, who knows how to make the trains run on time and how the gears work. gingrich did have that republican revolution so he's got conservative bona fides. what do you make of that partnership?
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>> you know, for full disclosure i was able to work with and for the speaker for about two years. i never heard the speaker ever talk about wanting to be vice president. numerous times on being president. but what most of us that have done campaigns and elections since the '60s through now understand that newt gingrich is a team player. he led the team and the revolution that put us back after 40 years of darkness in the congress. very, very intellectually smart guy. understands the workings of washington and also into the foreign policy depths as a historian. so he would be a good pick. the question is, people will ask can newt gingrich be a team player, will he overshadow the president. we will see. newt makes a lot of conservatives extremely comfortable that are uncomfortable right now with the trump candidacy. so i think there are a lot of decent picks out there. i think you are going to watch a lot of things out of donald
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trump, you are not just going to see a vice presidential pick. you will start seeing a plethora of cabinet choices or people who he would consider for his cabinet, too. trump's got to shore up the right side of our party which he's starting to do while the democrat party is imploding within. >> i love the way you got that in there. got to get that little dig in. you are supposed to say democratic when you are talking to me because we're friends. >> exactly right. >> let's go to fernand really quick. this question of whether or not donald trump is a serious enough person that he is thinking about somebody who could be qualified to be president, somebody who will shore up the conservative wing of the party, or is he thinking about the show? i included pam bondi in that list because it does seem to fit the kind of type of donald trump that he would want that kind of flash, he would really want the sizzle, not necessarily somebody who is a washington sort of experienced washington hand. what do you make of that? >> the problem with pam bondi, i just don't think she passes the central question or the central test of a vice presidential pick which is is she ready to be
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president of the united states and in this case, i think when most people look at her and her background, while she is certainly a talented politician and she has done well here in florida, i don't think the country's going to look at her and say she's a president of the united states in waiting. i come back to newt gingrich. i think gingrich is actually a smart pick because whatever anybody wants to say about congressman gingrich, he's a substantive individual. he knows the issues, he knows policies and that's precisely why i don't think he's the pick, because the media and the press are going to gravitate to him to explain what is trumpology all about, what is the trump platform, and when that's happening, the spotlight is not on trump and therefore, i think it means no way for newt. >> very quickly, isn't that the problem that if you put newt on the ticket, people will be asking well, does the head of the ticket qualify to be president of the united states? >> wem, i think you will find very different when you work with and for newt. you will understand that the team player is newt wants to win just as much as donald trump would. i think the two would complement each other.
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let's see. at one time i heard it was going to be a movie star or football athlete so we have to see where the donald ends up with. newt's a good conversation piece for republicans right now. >> i got to tell you, a lot of people were just googling canada as you were saying that. coming up, who won the week? it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down.
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all right. who won the week? katon, who won the week, my friend? >> certainly the republican party. donald trump called out crooked hillary. at the end of the day the bernie sanders versus hillary fight for once dominated the news. we didn't insult too many people this week as republicans. so i tell you the republican party finally won a week that we needed pretty badly. and the democrat party and debbie wasserman-schultz just took a -- >> katon, you have to say democratic for me one more time. >> i try to make it singular instead of plural. >> say it for me one time.
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>> democratic party. >> i love you, katon. let's go to fernan. >> i'm going to stick with the republican although it was congresswoman iliana ross layton and the lgbt community because thanks now to obama's administration directive, the transgender community can now use the public bathroom of their choice whether it's in a school or in a public building. this is a major victory for the transgender community and the lgbt community, joy. and it was given a human face because republican congresswoman iliana ross layton shared the story of her personal challenge with this issue because she has a transgender son. and her reveal about this i think gave a face and i think a lot of courage in doing so. my winner of the week. >> i concur with that. i think that's great. >> i'm going to go on the democratic side now. no surprise there. >> no. >> i want to shoutout my man ray
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buckley. there was a meeting in philadelphia yesterday, ray brought us all together with everything that was going on around the country, particularly in nevada, he and debbie wasserman-schultz were there together talking about how state parties across the country can have successful conventions. >> let me ask you quickly, do you concur with those worried that the philadelphia convention is going to be a mess, it's going to be violent, is now the place where the ran cocor is tag place in the democratic party? >> i don't agree with that. i think we're going to have a really great convention. i think everyone has a vested interest in beating donald trump. and, you know, any kind of turmoil, any kind of disunity is only going to put him in the white house, not to mention the fact we've got down ballot races particularly what the state parties care about all these
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down ballot races because so much of the state policy is done there. so the presidential politics can be kind of sexy, but we're really focused on a lot of the state elections. we need the unity to build our ticket. >> very quickly, i got to go to you quickly, fer nand, we were on the radio earlier this week and you talked about some of the peril with down ballot races with the end of the bernie sanders campaign. give us a quick take on that. >> it's such a delegate situation if it's not brought in for landing in a proper way and bernie sanders decides he wants to scapegoat establishment democrats at the dnc, he can immediately turn to his golden e-mail list which has the ability to turn out millions of dollars at the touch of a button. if he decides to target down ballot democrats that he thinks represents the establishment and were part of the problem with why he couldn't win the nomination, that could be an issue for democrats, joy. >> yeah, absolutely. and katon, i'm going to give you the last word. that's how much i like you. give me your take as a former
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party chair what you think it's going to take to finally get the last piece of the trump puzzle in place, and that would be paul ryan. what do you think will be the ask that gets paul ryan on board with trump? >> you know, i get -- i'm not sure you have to have paul ryan on trump. this whole candidacy with donald trump has been about people that are mad as hell at washington. the same thing with bernie sanders. i give him credit. he's found a whole subsection of the democrat party, 45%, that are mad at washington too. so i'm not sure all the insiders are going to have to come out. we'll all get on board. we'll have a convention. we'll move on and we'll try to beat democratic machine of bill and hillary clinton. that's a job. >> yeah, i cannot believe it's the democrats facing rancor and the republicans getting along. >> we're going to be fine. >> it's all uptown, that's all i'm saying. one of my favorite panels, you guys are great. that is our show today. by the way i will be on "meet the press" tomorrow. check me out there. and then you can check me out right here at 10:00 a.m. eastern for more "a.m. joy."
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