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impeach the leader of the irs. there's not been an impeachment of anybody but a president -- well, let's see. it was secretary of war william bellmap, 140 years ago in 1876. there hasn't been an impeachment of anybody below the cabinet ever. but they're going to try it on the commissioner of the irs. they will not proceed. but they're going to try. that will do it for us tonight. good evening, lawrence. a tiny footnote in the impeachment thing. i'm sure it's true that no one in an administration, but they have impeached some federal judges and so i remember seeing actually seeing one or two of those. >> oh, yeah. judges get impeached and usually for really juicy stuff. when it comes to members of the
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administration, you got to go back to 1876. >> the feeling has been, i assume, that wait, don't we hold the boss responsible for all of this? if we're going to impeach someone? >> i think it's telling that the irs commissioner isn't bothering himself to show up for his own hearing. >> i think that's what you call confidence. so the businessman candidate is teaching people how to run for president. they're actually saying now that donald trump has taught them that their big campaigning mistake is that they just haven't been nasty enough. >> the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit. >> donald trump, america's
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walking talking brush fire. >> he could bankrupt america like he has his companies. i do not want americans to start to believe that this is a normal candidacy. it isn't. >> we will be strong together. we will prove love trumps hate. >> they're dirty players. they've been dirty players historically. >> we are going to unify the democratic party and stop donald trump. >> our campaign is a far and away stronger against trump. >>. [ crowd chanting bernie] >> come the it end of july, will the democratic party be united after the convention? >> absolutely. >> donald trump is not going to become president of the united states. >> this is "the last word on campaign 2016." >> the polls are coming out fast and furious now. it's only monday and we have two new national polls and at first glance they each look different. they're actually fundamentally the same. last week a fox news poll showed
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a tightening in the race between donald trump and hillary clinton that we had not seen before and the most shocking part of the poll was that it showed donald trump ahead of hillary clinton. the fox news poll came out with hillary clinton at 42%. right there. 42%. with a three point margin of error. what that means is this could be three points higher or it could be three points lower, all the way down to 39. then yesterday, an abc news washington post poll showing hillary clinton at 44%. that was right inside the margin of error that fox news poll had. it in effect predicted the abc news washington post poll. it already showed if you included the margin of error, she might be at 44. so, it's not in conflict on that
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number and the abc poll has a three point margin of error. which meentz the forty-four could be as high as 47, could be as low as 41 and yesterday, an nbc wall street journal poll showing hillary clinton at 46%. and so the way you should look at the polls is never that they are reporting to you a precise number the way a nurse does when she takes your temperature, 98.6 or their are reporting to you a band of possibility. it's as if the nurse says to you your temperature may be between 95.6 to 101.6. these polls represent that band of possibility. each one predicts the next one reasonably well. meanwhile, trump was at 45% in the fox poll and abc news poll, on the don was at 46, which is
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within the margin of error of the fox poll and abc news poll, 43%. which is within the margin of error. so, all of these polls are not really disagreeing with each other. they are actually verifying each other within the margin of error and each of the polls shows a separation between the candidates that is within the margin of error. the fox news poll show trump with the highest number. the nbc news poll, shows hillary clinton with the higher number. but that's all i call it. the higher number. because what is true is that they are reporting a statistical tie and so they should not really be reported as one candidate leading the other. so, if you're a trump supporter and sees a poll with donald trump three points higher than hillary clinton, what you're seeing is a tie in that poll. and if you're a clinton
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supporter who see as hillary clinton three points higher than donald trump in a poll what you're actually seeing is a statistical tie and when the campaigns see a tie in the polls, that's when they sharpen their attacks against each other. >> my camfan paign is not going let donald trump try to normalize himself in this period. i do not want americans -- and good thinking republicans as well as independents, to start to believe that this is a normal candidacy. it it isn't. >> here's what hillary clinton said to a union audience today in detroit. >> he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted companies. i mean ask yourself. how can anybody lose money running a casino? really? when donald trump talks about deporting 11 million immigrants, he's talking about ripping apart families like darla's.
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he's talking about sending a deportation force to round up moms, dads, grandparents, even children. we need a president who will use the bully pulpit to stand up for working families. but the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit. >> joining us now, founder of pulse for the nbc news. and charley sykes and editor and chief of right wisconsin. a leader of the never-trump movement. and former dnc chairman and a hillary clinton supporter. he's also an msnbc political analyst. needless to say, i was very nervous explaining polls with you listening. but is that the way you see it? that these polls are basically supporting each other within the margin of error? >> exactly, lawrence. you explained it well.
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indeed every poll has a margin of error and all of these polls are showing the same thing and that is the race is, if not dead even, at least very, very close and what we try and do is look beyond just who's ahead and who's behind into the dynamics of what's happening and why. and that's really the basis. >> i just try to make the description of these numbers as neutral as possible. let's take a look at one number, peter in the nbc news poll. that's bernie sanders versus donald trump. he is now at 54, donald trump at 39. now, that's a 15-point lead. that's way outside the margin of error and that's what polling looks like outside the margin of error. peter, there's a lot of talk about that number, it's the one
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number people insist should not be believed in any of these polls. what is your judgment of that particular polling number? >> i think you have to believe the number but put it in perspective and that is -- basically, senator sanders has not been judged in the same way. yes, he's doing well in the campaign but most of the voters know him only in general and not about his specifics and when it comes to the specifics, he hasn't had the same scrutiny as senator clinton or secretary clin clinton and that's the big difference. so, not all numbers are even or equal in this kind of situation. not diminishing his strength but it tells you more about donald trump than it does about senator sanders. let's listen to what hillary clinton said on meet the press. >> i think in the course of this campaign we are going to
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demonstrate he has no ideas. there's no evidence he has any ideas about making america great as he advertises. he seems to be particularly focussed on making himself appear great and as we go through this campaign, we're going to be demonstrating the hollowness of his rhetoric. >> charley sykes, you don't want to see donald trump in there. if hillary clinton gets the nomination, she's who's standing between donald trump and the presidency. what do you make from your perspective on how the clinton campaign is handling the trump campaign at this point? >> i think the most striking thing about these polls is how many voters are going to go to the polls with fear and loathing. the negatives for both candidates are through the roof. and this is the problem for hillary clinton. as i'm watching the polls, you're seeing conservatives not
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listen to me and republicans colesing round donald trump. and that's because every time you bring up donald trump's serial lying, the fact that he's a conman, what you hear from people is yes, hillary clinton is worse. the tox isty of hillary clinton among conservatives cannot be over stated. there's been 20 years of anti-clinton stories and rhetoric that have been marinating out there and i think what you're seeing right now is that donald trump, because he is the non -- it's almost he's become immune among republicans to all of these criticisms because i will lay out one thing after another. donald trump has ties to the mob, but what about hillary? donald trump lied but what about hillary? and that's the real challenge for the clinton campaign. >> how should the clinton campaign meet that particular challenge? >> acchatually not worried abou that because we weren't going to
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get those voters anyway. we still have an active primary. she's going to win it but a primary is a primary and when you have somebody attacking you, that prolongs the agony. i think this is going to come down to turnout. can we get the obama coolition back on track? if the answer is yes, we win. if the answer is no, it's going to be very close all the way to the end. >> everybody says bernie sanders' background hasn't been exposed. what are the deep dark secrets in vermont that you know? donald trump has called him a commu communest. is there anything else? >> we don't really play that kind of politics up here. he was red baited by a republican who was about to lose
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to him and the guy lost by about 25 points or maybe 20 instead of six or eight. we're still a civilized place here. >> the fox news poll showed gary johnson, the libertarian candidate polling 10%, which would be a record for the libertarian candidate if it happens and still shows donald trump with a higher number. but again that's the tie within the margin of error. would it surprise you in that poll with a libertarian in there, that libertarian did not draw more from the republican than from the democrat? >> i think at this stage in the game there's still lot to be played out and what it really comes down to, 9% of the voters said volunteered were voting for neither of the candidates. it's a long way for the voters to be able to transgresz over to donald trump or to hillary clinton and as the stakes get
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higher, i tihink the difficulty for trump is get across to independents and younger voters. which he has not done well so far. >> you're saying that 9% of respondents in the nbc poll voluntarily suggested to you that none of the above. we won't vote for either one of them. and how strange is that in your polling experience? >> it's so rare that we almost never see it. you certainly don't see it on a presidential race and it underscores the point that charley made, which is the negative feeling towards both candidates is huge. much larger than we've seen in any poll we've done over the last 25 years. >> so, charley, it's going to be -- it could be a battle over those people trying to fight over those 9% to try to pull two or three of them back to your side. >> exactly. whatever my side happens to be.
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and mitt romney polled 22%, which i think is an indication that behind all the happy talk, that there are a lot of people who want an alternative. i think those negative numbers are going to effect the turnout. howard dean is right. if you can reassemble the obama coolition -- clinton can win. i wonder what is going to happen if in november you have a donald trump with a 70% disapproval rating and hillary clinton with a 60% disapproval rating. >> if we have time for peter, one of the most fascinating things about these national polls is there is no national race. we have 50 races, plus the territories and so is it possible that trump has built up an enormous lead in places like
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alabama and mississippi that were not going to win anyway and the other states that are actually in favor of hillary clinton by a much narrower margin? >> well, we'd love to believe that. but the fact of the matter is it pretty well mirrors election after election. where we stand and what's happening. and the question of turnout is absolutely key and it's going to be a question of do african americans, do hispanics and do millennials turn out for hillary clinton. >> and asian americans. >> add them right in. and for donald trump it's a question of can he appeal to the moderate republicans? for now, he stands okay but the stakes are going to grow and that's the difference. >> peter hart gets the last word on the polls tonight, as he always should. thank you all for joining us. really appreciate it. coming up, republican party officials say donald trump has
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finally taught them that thing they couldn't ever figure out on their own. they have to just be much more nasty to win the presidency. and some veterans went to trump tower today to protest candidate trump. former marine, alexander mccoy, one of the members of that troop protesting today will join us. >> donald trump has acted like a fraud and we're calling on him to apologize to american veterans and live up to his commitment. many people clean their dentures
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so, there was an awkward moment on fox news earlier tonight. bill o'reilly kind of sort of almost disagreed with donald trump. almost. what could they possibly disagree over? answer just how nasty to be in this campaign against hillary clinton. that's next. (man) hmm. what do you think?
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really hard. republican party officials say they have learned something about campaigning from donald trump. >> not tearing the bark off our ophonean opponen opponents. republicans just haven't been nasty enough in presidential
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campaigning. he seems to have forgotten that republicans went to prison for what they did to reelect president nixon in 1962 and that president nixon himself resigned in disgrace over the crimes made in his name only after he was convinced he would be impeached and removed if he did not resign and immediately, upon his resignation, his successor, gerald ford, announced that he was pardoning, siddenly former president nixon for all the crimes he may have committed. and so the criminal investigation of president nixon was stopped by nothing less than the power of a presidential pardon. it meant that we might never know just how nasty republicans really got in presidential campaigning. one nasty category that donald trump is teaching republicans
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how to use is the culmination of things of bill clinton's private life that he was accused of in the 1990s. >> i was very nervous. >> no woman should be subjected to it. it was an assault. >> he starts to bite on my top lip and i try to pull away from him. >> today, hillary clinton's campaign spokesman bryan fallon responded. >> i assume you're aware of the instagram video donald trump posted today? >> oh, i watched it. >> what did you think of it? >> this is the latest in his roger stone developed strategy to try to distract from an issues-based campaign, which is what we intend to run here. and to be honest, i think it's bad strategy. i've seen smart republican operatives go on television and say they have vested some of the lines of attack and they
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alienate independent voters, especially women. >> political correspondent for the washington post who covers the clinton campaign. and former member of the texas state senate who supports hillary clinton. senator davis, how do you fight an instagram video like that? >> i don't think hillary clinton intends to fight an instagram photo like that. she understands that the american people want to talk about what this next president is going to do for this country and clearly donald trump has not been able to communicate in any way shape or form how he intends to make america great again. this is also a part of a process that has been shown by republican strategists as was mentioned on the clip earlier, that it fails. they've tested these messages against her. they don't work and in fact, they tend to dig him even deeper with women voters where we know
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he already has a tremendous problem there. in the meantime, hillary clinton is going to continue down that lane of talking about issues and what she's going to do for women and others in this country while he continues to dig this hole on the other side. >> this instagram video created what may be the biggest disagreement yet between donald trump and bill o'reilly. >> on the internet, you put up stuff about hillary clinton and bill clinton and it's kind of todry stuff. i'm not sure that this is a good thing to do that. >> you're talking about what i'm doing. well, i'm only responding to what they do. she's been very nasty. and i said, i'd like it to be on policy. i'd like it to be a straight right down the middle. sd >> i understand the clinton
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attack machine and i think it has to be dealt cwith somewhat. >> i have no choice. you have to do it. it's unfair and you know, they're dirty players, they've been dirty players historically and i have to fight back the way i have to fight back. >> he has no choice. i mean, there's absolutely no choice but to do that. i mean, the challenge here for a campaign is quite literally that we've never seen anything like this and none of hillary clinton's senate campaigns or past presidential campaign did she ever have to contend with anything like this. >> well, that's absolutely true and every day that you see the clinton campaign sort of grasping to figure out how to respond to that great void and unknown. they didn't know at 9:00 this morning that this sort of insane but also incredibly watchable
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video was going to turn up and basically blow up their whole campaign day. i mean, she gave a pretty rabl rousing speech to a union audience in detroit today and she's starting a big california swing and talking about policy and talking about the things that bryan fallon referred to earlier in terms of being the grown up in the room and the day's debate is about an internet video about bill clinton's infidelities and that is going to be, in some measure, the way every day is for the campaign from now until the election and they still haven't quite figured out what to do about that. >> let's listen to bill clinton today in california. >> the republicans have been really mean to hillary. they liked her when she was secretary of state, they liked her when she was a senator and when she was first lady. she got more done with republicans than anybody i ever saw. but when she got out, we don't
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want to run against her, so they started beating up on her. it works, even if what they say isn't true. >> it seems part of the trump strategy is to stop him from w being on those stages saying those things. he doesn't want bill clinton being an effective surrogate. >> he's a great surrogate and hillary clinton's doing a great job of steering this race exactly where it needs to go. for every ounce of trouble that bill clinton has in terms of -- i'm sorry that donald trump has in terms of things he's said about immigrants and women, she's making sure to lay out a policy that talks about how she's going to help advance the interest of people in this country and break down those barriers from reaching opportunities they want to see here. >> realau appr aly appreciate i.
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up next in the war room. in the hearts and minds of american voters who might care the most about donald trump's tax returns. >> her opponent who never tires of telling how much richer he is than the rest of us won't release his tax returns. [ crowd boos] do you really think he's going to be a force in raising working people's incomes? don't let dust and allergies get between you
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time for tonight's war room, the clinton war room will be looking at new poll showing hillary clinton basically trailing donald trump with independent voters. the new abc washington post poll shows donald trump ahead of hillary clinton by 13 points among independents. 48 to 35. that same poll conducted in march showed hillary clinton leading donald trump among independents by nine points. both of those were outside the margin of error. yesterday, on "meet the press" hillary clinton attacked donald trump on an issue she hopes will resonate with independents. >> i think he needs to release his tax returns. the only two we have show that he hasn't paid a penny in taxes. and if you have somebody running for president who's afraid to release his tax returns because it will expose that he pays no federal income tax, that's a big
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problem. prove that he actually has the level of success he claims to have. >> the clinton war room has a polling reason to believe that the tax return issue can help hillary clinton with independent voters. the poll shows that 59% of independents say donald trump should release his tax returns before the november election. with just 169 days to go for the campaign war rooms. joining us tonight are cornell bellchar, a veteran of obama campaigns and a veteran of fred thompson 's 2008 campaign. cornell, i'm a little surprised the independents care so strongly about the tax returns and it looks like the clinton campaign knows it. >> one thing is you got to understand the context here. given all the craziness that we've seen in this political year. there's lot of numbers not far out liars from what the
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continuum has been over the last couple years. obama, on his way to winning back to back majorities lost independent voters by 12 points and she's losing them by 13 points. you can't have that grow but certainly democrats have not necessarily been, at least under obama, has not been winning independent voters. i think my old boss, howard dean, was spot on. can she hold that obama coalition together? it is a way to hammer at him on this question of trustworthiness. we've talked a lot bot that over this campaign cycle and she's struggled with it and he's struggled with it. and she's plus two on the area of trustworthiness. but -- and there's not a silver bull bullet. but they can use this as a way
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to chip away at his trustworthnetrustwort trustworthiness. >> we'll see how they're going after donald trump on the taxes. ♪ >> that you would release your tax return? >> first of all, very few people listen to your radio show. mitt romney didn't file his tax return until september 21st of 2012. i can't do it until the audit is finished. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. >> if you're going to site a candidate who didn't release his tax returns until late, you might want to pick one who won. here's my losing model, mitt romney. but to the tax returns, imagine yourself in the trump war room over the tax returns. there's no one in that room that can walk down the hall to donald trump and say we've decided you
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must release the tax returns. it's him. there's no one else going to make that decision. >> and it's going to be him and probably his lawyers and accountants. and that's a tough situation when you're involved in a campaign like that. because a lot of times those things out of your purview and donald trump has said he plans on releasing his tax returns and i think he's going to go do that. >> he's hiding behind the notion of an audit. there is zero evidence that he's actually having an audit. the irs sends you an audit letter. he could just hold it up, show it to us that there's an audit letter. he has not done that and i doubt he ever will do that. >> i think jim's got to agree with me here. him pushing it back and flip-flopping around on it, if he's going to release it, he's not helping himself. him dodging the question, it makes him seem untrustworthy,
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which i think is a real problem. >> when you look at that video they were able to put together, boy, doesn't he wish tonight he had one answer to this? >> he's not the typical politician. if you're hillary clinton, hillary clinton over six out of ten americans don't trust her, don't think she's honest. she's trying to use this issue to go back on donald trump on that. i think that's a mistake because she has the email scandal, benghazi. she won't release her transcripts from the wall street speeches. and if there's one thing donald trump has proven. he's not afraid to punch back. >> the clinton campaign is to try to campaign against him on the issues, which is look into the polls, see what they're saying he's most vulnerable on
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and lean into those. is that the best way to approach this campaign? since he's such a strange force to deal with, maybe you stick with the most basic thing there is and work the issues. >> i think regardless whether you're running for president or dog catcher, some of the dynamics are the same. in the end, people tend to vote for candidates they like and trust and they think represent their values. and there are issues you can use to undermine a candidate in those places. i think the taxes are a big deal. when you have republican leader mitch mcconnell coming out, saying this might bow a problem. i think it does undermine his trustworthiness and someone tend to not vote for commander and chief that they don't trust. when you look in that washington post poll, representing values.
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that is something that republicans have always killed us democrats on as the party and the candidate who represents their values and you see hillary running ahead there and even on security and being a strong leader. i mean, he doesn't have -- he's not running away with a sort of advantage that you typically see some republicans with. say what you will about george bush. americans at one point thought he was a strong and decisive leader and that hurt democrats going after him. donald trump doesn't have those advantages right now and the clinton campaign is smart to undermine that and really undermine the overall republican brand that he's trying to hold up. >> jim, quickly before we go. when the trump war room stair at these polls, they see trump scoring better on dealing with the economy. it's not one thfr biggest leads in there but it may be the
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single most important thing that you want to lead on in these policy categories. >> you're absolutely right. in pennsylvania, ohio and florida. on the two most important issues of the day, economy and national security, donald trump was winning on those issues. he wants to get this campaign issue focussed and as long as he's winning on those two issues, he probably has a good chance of winning in november. >> veterans of the war room, thank you for joining us in our war room tonight. what did trump do with all that money he says he raised for veterans? one of those veterans will
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>> reporter: senator bob, donald trump, we're here at trump tower, what a meeting. >> i know you've come out against it, was that part of the conversation at all, the trump ban? >> we talked bigger picture. >> his office released a statement saying the senator had a good meeting with mr. trump. your arer the highest ranking republican leader to actually visit donald trump on his home turf. it's setting off vice presidential rumors. there's corker addressing the other big elephant in the room. >> i have no reason whatsoever that i'm being considered for a position like that. >> that's the same thing he told me a few weeks ago. >> and another week with two opponents. not just bernie sanders but donald trump. >> i like hillary but things might change when it comes to election. >> donald trump is not going to
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become president of the united states. [ applause ] >> bernie sanders is a much stronger candidate in the general election than secretary clinton. >> she applauded senator sanders for challenging her the way that he has. she spent most of the time going after donald trump. >> how can anybody lose money running a casino? really? what a wonderful you confuset my level of interest. i'll wait a full two days before sponding. perfect! we're never gonna see each other again, will we? no-no. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back. 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. 1% whendouble means double. you pay. (man) that show.t to record (woman) now we have to wait forever toee it. (jon bon jovi) with directv, you don't.
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. a group of military veterans went to trump tower to protest candidate trump. >> here with so many of my fellow veterans because this most recent revelation about the
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missing funds from the fund raiser that was supposedly designed to benefit veteran charitable organization. for us, it's part of a long and disturbing pattern of donald trump using veterans for political prop to advance an agenda of bigotry and hate that does not represent the opinions of the military or veterans at large. in afghanistan, i served with muslims, i served with women, latinos, immigrants. all groups that donald trump has them maligned and insulted. these are folks who put their lives on the line. donald trump has never served as far as those of us gathered here, he only sees interest in serving himself. >> veteran, obrian explained what he fears most about donald trump as commander and chief. >> i think many of us gathered
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here feel that donald trump as commander and chief would put american lives at risk and particularly put our fellow u.s. troops who are still serving overseas in greater danger. he's shown to be reckless, impulsive and combines inexperience with bravado and confidence, which is a deadly combination, as many of a us who have served overseas knows. >> also speaking for the veterans protesting, was u.s. marine corp veteran, mccoy. >> he skipped one of the debates and instead held a fund raiser claiming he was raising money for veterans. in that event he said he had raised $6 million. it turns out according to a washington post report that he did not actually raise that money, that he lied to american voters and we're calling on him to apologize for doing so and to
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actually live up to his commitment. >> it looks like our coverage of this night has brought some tweets from donald trump. alexander mccoy will join us to discuss that coming up. race car made history when it sold for a record price of just under $30 million. and now, another mercedes-benz makes history selling at just over $30,000. ♪ and to think this one actually has a surround-sound stereo. the 2016 cla. lease the cla250 for $299 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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donald trump would be a reckless and dangerous commander and chief. >> alexander, you won't be surprised to learn that since i started talking about this, donald trump has started tweeting in a frenzy. he tweeted amazingly with all the money i raised for vets, i have got nothing but bad publicity from the dishonest and disgusting media. which means me. we're going to be back with alexander mccoy. hmm. what you ? ♪
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to apologize to american veterans. >> joining us now, marine corps veteran, alexander mccoy. we showed a little clip of you earlier in the show. after that, donald trump started tweeting. he's said first tweet of the night was "while under no obligation to do so, i have raised between 5 and $6 million, including $1 million from me for our veterans. nice." i'm not sure what documentation we have for any of that. >> there's been no transparency, no accountability. the numbers they've been quoting have been all over the place. at the fund raiser he claimed for certain they had $6 million raised. now the campaign was saying 4 1/2 million. now, 4 to 6. how much money? where's it going? they won't tell us. we have news organizations
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trying to track it down and what's disturbing to me is not whether he's raising money for veterans or not. it's the way he's doing it. it's the fact that he's using it to distract attention from his flaws as a candidate. he's using it to try to take advantage of the good will that american voters have for our men and women who served in uniform and tried to ride their coat tails and avoid any kind of criticism. and the fact that we've not gotten a straight answer from donald trump on this makes me very concerned about what kind of president he would be. and we need to hold him accountable and demand he show transparency and he lives up to the commitments that he's made. >> to say a number is between 5 and $6 million is completely un unacceptable in any kind of charitable exercise, it's easy to take a day to day accounting
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oof the actual number and documented, which he hasn't done. "much of the money i have raised for our veterans has already been distributed with the rest to go shortly to various other veteran groups." what do we know factually demonstrated about where this money has gone? >> one of the interesting things is the way they picked charitable organizations for this funding was by which had a direct connection to his campaign. and if we think of what kind of president he might be, if this is how he runs his campaign, is he going to be distributing federal handouts to people who happen to be his friends? this genuine desire to help veterans and try to make a difference, he's trying to do it in a way that will get him the most political capital and that's why we protested today. >> really an honor to meet you.
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>> thank you for having me on the show, sir. >> alexander mccoy gets tonight's last word. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in." >> he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. >> hillary clinton finds her line of attack. >> i mean, ask yourself. how can anybody lose money running a casino? really. >> the new front opened up against trump with james carville. plus michelle fields of "the huffington post" uncovering trump in a post-truth campaign. the art of the endorsement? >> he's a race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. >> is lindsey graham quietly supporting the man who gave out his cell phone number onstage? >> he gave me his number and i found the card. >> plus today's massive victory for bernie sanders with the dnc. and the ironic loophole in

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