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>> thank you for having me on the show, sir. >> alexander mccoy gets tonight's last word. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in." >> he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. >> hillary clinton finds her line of attack. >> i mean, ask yourself. how can anybody lose money running a casino? really. >> the new front opened up against trump with james carville. plus michelle fields of "the huffington post" uncovering trump in a post-truth campaign. the art of the endorsement? >> he's a race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. >> is lindsey graham quietly supporting the man who gave out his cell phone number onstage? >> he gave me his number and i found the card. >> plus today's massive victory for bernie sanders with the dnc. and the ironic loophole in donald trump's denial, global
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warming. >> it's a hoax. it's a money-making industry. >> "all in" starts right now. >> we need some global warming, it's freezing. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes for the very first time in this very long and unpredictable campaign, hillary clinton's making a sustained definitive argument against donald trump. painting him not as a standard republican, pushing agenda items like cutting the top's top bracket and shrinking the federal budget, but as a uniquely dangerous candidate who poses an immediate threat to the american way of life and the future of this country. clinton made her case in detroit at the annual convention of the service employees international union. >> we're not talking about any ordinary anti-union, anti-worker republican. a lot of republicans themselves say donald trump is a disaster waiting to happen to america. trump economics is a recipe for
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lower wages, fewer jobs, more debt. he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. i mean, ask yourself. how can anybody lose money running a casino? really. >> this comes as polls show the likely general election race between clinton and trump tightening. they're in a statistical dead heat in a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll which had clinton up by 11 points a month ago. it's a big shift as republicans clearly start to consolidate around trump as their presumptive nominee. while democrats remain divided between clinton and her ongoing rival bernie sanders. more on that coming up in just a bit. though clinton has yet to formally clinch the democratic nomination, she's now fully turning her focus to the battle against trump. portraying him as a bully who picks on women, immigrants and workers. >> we need a president who will use the bully pulpit to stand up for working families but the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit.
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and nobody knows better than a union like seiu that the only way to stand up to a bully is to stand up together. >> in an interview yesterday on "meet the press" clinton targeted what trump has made his central claim, his purported business acumen. >> businesspeople have, especially successful businesspeople who are really successful, as opposed to pretend successful, i think have a lot to offer. >> pretend successful? is there anything trump donald trump done you think should be praised? me -- he needs to release his tax returns. the only ones we've seen show he hasn't paid a penny in taxes. we have to get beyond the hype, see what reality is. >> do you think you know it? >> i don't think the country knows it. release his tax returns, prove that he actually has the level of success he claims to have. >> for his part donald trump is continuing to take what might
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generously be called the low road in his attacks on clinton. today he again sought to use her husband's alleged behavior to undercut clinton's claim of standing up for women, releasing a video on instagram, juxtaposing a video of clinton smoking a cigar with audio interviews of two women who claim they sexually assaulted them, ending with an out of context clip of hillary clinton laughing, all set to ominous music. "is hillary really protecting women?" i spoke with democratic strategist and former clinton adviser james carville and asked how you deal with an opponent who's so willing to operate outside the usual political norms? >> it's amazing because these fact check organizations, factcheck.org, plitti fact and those, they keep pointing out that he lies. most people, when you -- politicians, you catch them in a lie, they apologize or stop repeating it. he just keeps repeating the same ones over and over again. it is truly amazing to watch and continue to say things that just keep rebutted time and time
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again. but i guess he's not going to change, he's going to keep rolling with what he's got. >> that's a good point which is that a lot of times what will stop a candidate from saying something is just shame. just the basic idea they've been called out. >> right. if i say something on your show and you say, no james, that's not true -- i just won't say it again. >> right. >> okay, he'll just keep repeating it. it's been pointed out, i've seen these guys on television, in interviews, they're just flummoxed by the whole thing. i think 9% true or mostly true on one of these sites, my figures may be wrong, but they're so much lower than anybody else it's ridiculous. and he really doesn't care. he just plows on. i think the accretion of things is causing harm but the 41%, 42% of the people in the country don't really care if he tells the truth or not. te think we're all lying anyway so why should he tell the truth?
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>> what do you do about it? how do you return fire, how do you craft a strategy to deal with a candidate -- it's only a week into this general race and he's gone right -- >> you know, there's correlation and causation. there's a story by this guy david k. johnson, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, about trump and the mafia. as opposed to dealing with that he just starts on something else. and there will be more of these stories that come out. the more these people come in that now understand "the washington post" is working on a big series. and there's going to be a lot more of these stories come out. and he's going to get wilder and wilder as he gets -- things keep coming forward. >> the asymmetry i see, say you talk about david k. johnson reporting on trump's record in connection to either established or reputed mafia figures in new york real tate, my question is
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if you're advising hillary clinton, does she go with that attack? part of the asymmetry is trump will lead with that kind of thing, the traditional role of the candidate like hillary clinton would not to be the person leveling that attack. >> i don't think -- i really don't think that's her nature, i don't think that she's going to be tempted to level these kinds of attacks. today i saw that she said, which i thought is a very good attack, this guy's bankrupted four companies if you look at his plan that he put out, he's getting ready to bankrupt this country. so i think those kinds of things she'll get into. but there's a lot of people out there that will be happy to point out a lot of things about donald trump, including how he got his business started in new york. i don't think there will be any shortage of that kind of thing going on. >> so you imagine that this campaign will observe what is generally the somewhat traditional division of labor where the candidate talks about what the candidate wants to do,
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also presses certain lines of attack, usually fairly policy focused, while surrogates do the stuff of whatever someone's reputed mob connections might be. >> i mean, the surrogates -- i think in politico, a story by a by ul acts, i don't know the gentleman, but a top-flight journalist, yeah, a story like that appears, then at least this is one surrogate that's going to say, i saw this story that when he starts attacking the crazy stuff that he puts out, this is one surrogate that's going to say, wait a minute. does anybody find it unique that a world-class journalist has ties to -- has him with ties to the mob, then he does this? yeah i think people are going to see that and point it out. and it would be stupid not to. i don't think hillary -- i don't think secretary clinton needs to do that, but a lot of people are glad to do it for her.
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yours truly included. >> james carville, the surrogate, thank you very much. joined by michelle fields, former breitbart reporter who had her arm yanked by trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, contributing reporter for the huffington post. in this back and forth with corey lewandowski you got to experience firsthand all the kind of basic playbook of the trump world which is first to deny obvious and easily false final and checkable facts. then to sort of launch into personal attacks as quickly as possible. >> yeah, and it seems as though facts don't matter when it comes to the trump campaign. and nothing sticks. you were just discussing. people can attack trump for so many things and yet it seems to not even put a dent in his numbers or even affect his support. so what i think you ought to, do you see the hillary clinton campaign, they need to make sure they don't treat trump as a
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serious candidate. clinton talked about that the other day. not to normalize donald trump. treat him as though he is just this reality show star that's unfit to be president. kris jenner created the kardashian empire. that doesn't mean she's fit to be president just because she has good business sense. that's what clinton needs to do. don't talk about him as though he's a regular candidate who's fit to be president, because he's not. that is the case that the clinton campaign ought to be making. >> well, from a political strategic standpoint, i tend to agree although it's very hard i think for everyone around the observationist election to attain that. at a certain level he's won the nomination, he will be -- he's nominated one of the two major parties in america. how does the press manage to maintain that as this goes forward? >> first off we saw marco rubio kind of do that towards the end. he obviously did it too late. he was making trump out to be a joke. you saw trump kind of exploding.
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he was so upset by it. that is what i think the clinton campaign should do. in terms of the press, the press is in a really tough situation because trump, he restricts access to reporters who are critical of him. and then those who are nice to him he gives tons of access to. so they have no incentive to be tough on him. because they're worried that they're going to not have access. so they're really in a tough position when it comes to him. >> you made that point about marco rubio. this to me gets to a really important distinction between two ways of talking about trump. clinton went between them today. one that is he's a bully. which is one way of thinking about him. the other is that he's essentially a serial failure and a doofus and a con man. the marco rubio -- the one marco rubio tactic seems to work, stick, drive the numbers in the right direction from the perspective of the never trump forces was that attack. >> yeah, but i also think -- we're seeing donald trump attacking hillary clinton by attacking her husband saying he
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abuses women, therefore hillary clinton is an enabler. i think what hillary ought to do is stay above the fray, show that you are much more above this man who's running for president, let her surrogates, outside groups, attack trump and really call into question his relationship with women. because he doesn't have a very good history when it comes to women and the derogatory statements that he's made about women. >> when you were in the vortex of this whole thing with lewandowski, and let me just say my own editorializing, i felt the dispensation of that was probably correct that he shouldn't have been actually charged or tried, prosecuted for that assault. did you feel like you were in some sort of reality-free zone as the whole thing played out? >> i think it was just bizarre to see the presidential candidate of my political party lying about me repeatedly on television. so it was a very surreal moment but i'm happy that's in the past. and i've sort of moved on from this, that everyone has sort of moved on from it. >> michelle fields, thanks for
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your time, appreciate it. bernie sanders trains his focus on the dnc. today he gets a big win. we'll talk about that ahead. first is it possible to call a presidential candidate a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot whose foreign policy will lead to another 9/11, then urge full low republicans to line up behind the candidate? the latest to fall in line, we think, after this break. er to ms "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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i don't want to have guns in classrooms, although in some cases teachers should have guns in classrooms, frankly. because teachers are -- you know, things going on in our schools are unbelievable. >> donald trump yesterday contradicting himself within a single sentence. with april assertion while he doesn't want guns in classrooms he definitely does want guns in classrooms. trump's penchant for being on all sides of any particular issue has not prevented republicans from falling in line behind their presumptive nominee. even the ones you might think
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would have a pretty hard time with that. >> if donald trump carries the banner of my party, i think it taints conservatism for generations to come. he's a race-bating, xenophobic, religious bigot. women and hispanics hate his guts for good reason. he's the iso man of the year. looking back we should have kicked him out of the party. i believe donald trump's foreign policy, isolationism, will lead to another 9/11. make america great again, tell donald trump to go to hell. >> it appears, yes, it does, that even senator lindsey graham may be coming around to the man who in an act of public bullying once read graham's private phone number to a crowd. >> he gave me his number and i found the card. i wrote the number down. i don't know if it's the right number. 202-[ bleep ] -- [ bleep ]. >> he's not swearing, we're just bleeping out the number so you don't call, though i eye it's been disconnected.
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graham had a pleasant conversation with trump and over the weekend graham spoke to gop donors in florida where one fund-raiser recalled he did say we need to get behind trump. graham is denying the report. also this weekend, trump won the support of evangelical republican mega donor fostor frees, one of many evangelicals rallying around trump. pastor mark once told bloomberg he sees a connection to thump in the signature hand gesture pointing upward to punctuate his points. you see athletes all the time and it's their chance to point to the sky to thank god for their success. trump does this all the time, he's giving reverence to the man upstairs. trump got a visit at trump tower from a central figure in the gop establishment. senate foreign relations committee chairman bob corker who is seen as a potential trump vp pick. a poll shows rank and file republicans are consolidating around trump with 86% of republicans now backing trump against hillary clinton, up from
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62% last month. joining me is msnbc political analyst, former republican national committee chairman, michael steele. michael, this movement among the voters i think is probably not surprising to you. you basically have been predicting this from the beginning. >> yep. exactly. this is the trend line. and the voters have actually been out in front of the leadership in the party for quite some time when it comes to trump. you had 17 very capable, qualified individuals running for the presidency. during this primary. and they chose, they narrowed it down, despite everything against them. they did. and right now you're going to see the establishment types, the moneyed interest in the party, come to that same table table. a little bit slower. but they're going to get there. >> right, so we're seeing -- okay. we're seeing bob corker today meeting at trump tower, i thought was interesting trump summons him up trump tower.
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here's my read on what's happened the last three weeks. paul ryan flirted with this idea of trying to create some sort of third way. so some way that you could carve out space that was you're running as a republican in 2016 but not running as a trumpkin, essentially. i think that clearly revealed itself to be impossible. would you agree? >> yeah, because the reality was who was that individual? >> right. >> who would be the individual that everyone's going to rally to if not trump? and so you've had nining ten months of that. and the reality was, nobody showed up. so where do you go from there? nowhere. so you bring the temperature down. you quietly step off stage right. you move on to the next thing. >> the issue as i see it, i think from a purely amoral, strategic perspective, it is probably ultimately correct that you can't separate yourself from your party's nominee. your fortunes will rise and fall with him. so this idea you're going to bail out kelly ayotte in new
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hampshire by putting distance between trump i think is ridiculous. >> right, absolutely right. absolutely right. >> the problem then is to the degree that you're completely interested in the guy, in for a penny, in for a pound, which means everything he says for the next six months you own. >> yeah, yeah. yeah. >> right? don't you guys, all you guys, doesn't the republican party own everything he says the next five months? >> they don't own everything and i think you will find during the course of this campaign, you will find if he says something that's out there on the limb, you'll find some folks who saw off that limb. they will not buy that piece of the tree. so yeah, i think -- and that's actually, to his -- i think a little bit of what ryan was trying to do gets -- how it gets played out. people will have that ability to saw off those limbs that they don't want to be a part of. but your general thesis is the correct one. the tree is still the tree. the republican party and all its roots and branches. kelly ayotte and rob portman and
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all those senators, for example, on the bubble, they're now part of that tree too. so the question becomes, and this is what you're going to see the leadership, including the rnc and others, do. work with the trump campaign to mitigate and quite frankly avoid as many of those as possible. >> so here's my question to you also. this question about cause and effect with the polling that we're seeing. we're seeing the consolidation of the party. i think that consolidation is pushing him up in the polls a little bit. and he's sort of leveling to the equilibrium you'd expect from one of the two major party nominees. >> that's right. >> which is basically 45%, right? >> right. >> do you think that is driving the establishment to say, i think this guy can win, let's get in? >> partly, yeah. i think the numbers,he new numbers coming out, certainly the polls that we've released here at msnbc, showing that trend line. even with donald trump down to hillary clinton, the gap has closed. and that does have an impact on money, has impact on organization, yeah.
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absolutely. >> are the quote-unquote establishment, the professionals, the donor class, my sense is -- i feel this way strongly about the donor class, particularly the republican donor class but all donor classes -- they're all dill la taunts. >> of course. >> they don't know anything. they made money doing whatever, they think unlike the next president. are they obsessed with polls? calling up reince every day? ease up, i looked at the rcp average? >> probably not to the same extent donald trump does. >> no one can beat him in that. >> i think, yeah. they come into this game, they know their space, they own the space in business. they're coming into politics, they want to play. they put money down, they bet on this particular candidate, that candidate. yeah they do have an interest in how they're performing, how they're doing, how they're registering with voters. and when the trend lines are moving in the up direction, they want to buy. you know?
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>> that is a well-articulated sentence, michael steele. thank you for your time, always a pleasure. still to come, congress moves to partially, partially fund the fight against the zika virus. we'll look at the cost of waiting three months to act. plus a verdict in the second trial related to the death of freddie gray, the baltimore man who died last spring while in baltimore police custody. what are you supposed to do? drive three quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of yr car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. there's no one no one surface...e. no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving modes let you customize the steering,
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acquitted of charges after a five-day bench trial. city leaders urged calm. "i believe we're on a road to creating a city that uplifts all its residents. today's verdict should not take us off course, it should remind us of the road ahead." in addition to representing most of the city of baltimore, it's announced elijah cummings will chair the dnc platform committee ahead of the convention this july. the committee, which is responsible for developing the party's policy positions, has now become a focal point in the battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton for control of the democratic party. who won the latest round coming up. y solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated, responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you're free to focus on growing your business.
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we are coming to the end of the democratic primaries. i applaud senator sanders and his supporters for challenging us. we are going to get unact money out of politics. we are going to take on the process of income inequality. we are going to unify the democratic party and stop donald trump. >> last few weeks have seen a strange asymmetrical battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in which clinton has pivoted pretty definitively in the general election and donald trump, while sanders not only continues to run an aggressive primary campaign but continues to win contests. it appears the senator's campaign is shifting the bulk of attacks away from clinton and towards the dnc and its chair, congresswoman debbie wasserman
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schultz including coming out in support of her own primary challenger in her district. >> you've been calling for a revolution. in florida are you with wasserman schultz or are you with her opponent? >> clearly i favor her opponent. his views are much closer to mine than his -- than wasserman schultz's. let me also say, in all due respect to the current chairperson, if elected president she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> clinton campaign looking to make good on clinton's promise to unify as a party and take into account some of sanders' more liberal policy concerns is not standing in the way of a deal that will give sanders greater influence over the party platform. clinton and sanders agreed with dnc officials to a 15-member committee that writes the platform for the democratic party. clinton picked six members, sanders named five, and debbie wasserman schultz will name four.
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as politico noted earlier this month, sanders initially argued each campaign should be able to pick seven members of the 15-member committee. even occupying one-third of the seats expect sanders and supporters to have a sizable influence on the party's platform that will be presented at the convention in july. joining me editor of "the international business times," former press secretary for bernie sanders, and joan walsh for "the nation," writing in support of hillary clinton. here's my question. first of all, start with the platform thing. it looks promising if you are a sanders supporter thinking about what does this come to if sanders doesn't get the nom naig, this looks promising. some of the names are people that i think lefty activists really love. for instance, bill mcginn bon who is one of the most important environmental actors in the world. cornell west, a controversial figure in many ways but beloved by many. james zogby, clear on his politics respect to palestinian self-dignity and human rights. what do you think of this? >> i think it's what you should
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expect when bernie sanders has run the campaign he's run. i don't think a lot of people thought they would be at this position when he started his campaign. and i think that it's the logical outgrowth of a campaign that's probably in some ways surprised even bernie sanders about how successful it's been. and i think the pushback, if there is any pushback, this idea he should end his campaign or he should stand down, bernie sanders is representing millions of people. it would almost be a slap in their face for him to back down and say, okay, the mathematical chances of me winning are almost nil, i'm out. >> that's certainly the way think see it or at least they talk about seeing it. my question is you've got this platform committee. we haven't had a good, big, platform fight in the democratic party for a while. a little bit of one in 2012 in which villaraigosa took a voice vote and completely overruled what actually happened. >> right, i remember that. >> but also if you're hillary clinton and you won, so you're saying i don't want a $15 national minimum wage, just as
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one item. you're not going to concede that in a platform fight, right? the whole point of running and winning is you believe in what you believe in and you win. >> i don't know, she's got paul booth. long-time radical labor lefty, labor advocate. some of her people are pretty far to the left. she might not get everything she wants out of the platform. >> do you think that's true? do you think they will be okay with a platform in which there's space between hillary clinton and the platform? >> i think a little bit of space, sure. >> that's interesting. because what we have -- that is something that is sort of a throwback platform when the parties were stronger. >> right. >> what we've had in the modern era is more the nominee takes a piece of paper and says, this is the hillary 2016 agenda. >> no, i think opening it up and giving him five people -- also debbie wasserman schultz chose barbara lee. >> exactly. >> who's far left. >> politics are close to bernie sanders. >> she stayed neutral but closer to bernie's standards and that's a big deal to stay neutral for some lefty people.
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>> right. >> it's a pretty progressive slate including some of clinton's own supporters. >> it might give her the chance to say, the democratic party's this but i'm going to move to the center. we've seen in colorado the colorado democratic party supported the single payer health care initiative. the sitting senator said, i don't support that. different politics but he can say, i'm not a senate democrat. >> interesting point. the other thing that i thought interesting about the developments today was, i sense, tell me if you think this is right, basically them turning some of the sort of animus, frustration, object of their who the establishment is, from hillary clinton to debbie wasserman schultz. which make at lot of sense in ways. a, they can win fights against debbie wasserman schultz. b, if you're going to try to unite people behind hillary clinton, she's a much better bad guy, essentially, to be up against. >> yeah. i mean, look. it's an easier fight to have, as you said, with the dnc. which is not just debbie wasserman schultz.
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it's kind of a faceless thing. when we say people don't like congress. people don't like the dnc. >> right, who likes the dnc? >> nobody really likes the dnc except maybe superdelegates and the the like. i think that the other political theory behind this is that the more progressive you can make the democratic party on paper as an official party, the more, if not locks hillary clinton in then at least pulls her towards that as the standard for what being a democrat actually is. >> and there's also -- i mean, campaigns need enemies. that's how campaigning works. you're fighting someone. and that's what energizes people. it strikes me today, i had this moment of, right, maybe that's how this sort of ends is that this is the enemy. >> right, this is the enemy and we're training our fire away from hillary clinton toward her. i mean, i would also say, i'm not going to talk about the merits of a primary campaign against debbie wasserman schultz but i think that's the kind of thing he should be doing. >> totally, yes. >> the most promising thing senator sanders could do is turn his movement into a movement to elect down-ballot progressives.
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hopefully democrats. but progressive democrats. so he's entirely within his rights. i don't just see that move and debbie wasserman schultz, i'll get you. i also see it as, i'm going to begin to use my influence to support progressives even in primaries against regular democrats. >> we should say, raised over $250,000 when he was featured in this sanders e-mail. the same gravitational logic applies which is, if she's got a primary challenger in her own backyard that's going to affect how she operates the next few months. >> right. coming up, according to donald trump, climate change is a hoax. only weather, pseudo science. unless of course it affects his bottom line. that delightful story right after this break. almost there.
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the presumptive republican presidential nominee, donald trump's drigs of climate change, the phenomenon caused by human beings and carbon, is well established. here's a little reminder. >> who believes in global warming? raise your hand. wow. not much, huh? do you have your hand up? a little? no? no. there's like record, record cold. and i keep hearing about global warming. now they'll say, he doesn't understand. this is a worldwide problem. oh, no, i don't understand. let's do iq tests. so obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and that. a lot of it's a hoax, it's a hoax, it's a money-making industry, it's a hoax, a lot of it i think that there will be little change here, it will go up, it will get a little cooler, a little warmer like it always has for millions of years. it will get cooler, warmer, it's called weather. >> impressive degree of climate change denial. it so happens there is one instance in which donald trump does believe climate change is
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golf course. the statement in support of the application reads, quoting here, if the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, it is likely there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates and our view it could reasonably be expected the rate of sea level rise might become twice of that presently occurring. the 200,000 ton rock armor would stretch 1.7 miles. the resort lost substantial ground in 2014 during the two winter storms at its 6th, 9th and 10th holes. if trump gets this wall approved it will stand in relation to trump's climate change denials literally as a monumental fact check.
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we have to get ahead of this. none of us want to be in a position in june and july and august where this thing breaks out. this is an issue we should jump on with a real sense of urgency. and it is a federal responsibility to be involved in
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this. >> president obama has an unlikely ally in his administration's request for $1.9 billion in funding to combat zika seizures. senator marco rubio, former presidential candidate and republican of florida, has made repeated calls to take the threat seriously. the house and senate passed bills that offer the administration far less than requested. yesterday the former head of the administration's successful response to ebola, ron chain, issued a stern warning saying in a "washington post" op ed, "it is not a question of whether babies will be born in the u.s. with zika-related microcephaly, it is a question of when and how many. for years to come these children will be a visible human reminder of the cost of absurd wrangling in washington, of preventible suffering, of a failure of our political system to respond to the threat that infectious diseases pose." joining me, white house ebola response coordinator ron klain. why do you think is response coming from congress is insufficient? >> first of all no response is coming from congress.
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the house has passed a bill that funds one-third of the response, does it by cutting other diseases. the senate proposed a partial response. both those bills now are pending. we don't need a conference committee, we need action, the funding in place to power the response. president obama proposed his response in february, three months later, summer's coming, mosquitos are coming, we need to get the response passed and into the field. >> what steps can the federal government take to mitigate this spread of this here in the states? >> in the short-term, the most important thing we can do is really power up the mosquito control. the aedes aegypti mosquito which is prevalent around the southeastern united states, around the gulf, up to the southeastern coast, that's the home of these mosquitos. they're going to start to get very active early june, july. they will spread this disease in the united states. and controlling those mosquito populations is the first objective.
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the president's proposed response also will accelerate research on a vaccine. that's what we need. we have the best infectious disease researchers here in the united states led by tony fouchet working on that vaccine, we need to accelerate the work to protect people from this disease, it's going to be with us for a while. >> you've been in washington a long time, can you explain why when ebola was happening the political response was total panic, hair on fire, the world is ending, it's world war z. and you had the experts saying, look, it's not, it's okay, we're going to be fine, let's follow the protocols. the opposite with zeke character the political system doesn't seem to care much one way or the other, nobody's talking about it, the experts are completely spooked about it. >> well, look. i think that ebola was a real threat. and congress acted. president obama sent a $6 billion funding request to fight ebola. congress passed it, bipartisan majority in both chambers, five weeks after he submitted it. that helped make sure that ebola wasn't a big problem in the united states.
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it wasn't just an accident that ebola didn't become a big threat, we fought ebola and we beat ebola. i can't explain why we don't have the same urgency around zika. maybe people don't really appreciate how serious it is, they don't appreciate the kind of threat it poses. and it's a new disease, one that we're not as familiar with. but that disease will definitely impact our country. it's not coming, it's here. we have a couple hundred people in the united states with the disease already. almost 300 pregnant women in the u.s. and territories with the disease. we need to get on top of this. we need to fund the president's response. we need to get this under control before mosquitos start to spread it here in the u.s., before sexual transmission accelerates in the u.s. >> clock is ticking, congress. ron klain, thanks very much. although investigators still don't know what brought down egyptair flight 804, that is not stopping the presumptive nominee from declaring his own conclusions.
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five days after egyptair flight 804 disappeared from radar, u.s. officials tell nbc news they have still not developed any hard evidence that terrorism brought down the plane that had 66 people onboard. at least three agencies are looking into how the flight crashed and so far they say they have no direct clues that point to terrorism. in other words, at this moment, the american government does not know what brought down that plane. donald trump, however, continues to claim that he does, and when asked about hillary clinton's criticism that he said terrorism brought down the flight without having the facts, he told "the
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wall street journal," quote, why should i be politically correct? he said, adding that there was nothing wrong with the timing of the statement, because, quote, i'm turning out to be right. i'm always right. you'll see. you'll see. i'm always right. within hours of the flight's disappearance last week, trump tweeted, looks like yet another terrorist attack. airplane departed from paris. when will we get tough, smart, and vigilant? great hate and sickness. exclamation point. that evening, citing zero evidence, he asserted that the plane had been blown out of the sky. >> and i'm saying to myself. what just happened 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. and if anything -- if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks, okay? >> not only has trump said the plane was brought down by terrorists, he has also claimed to know which terrorists brought it down. >> i can practically guarantee who blew it up. >> but, listen -- >> and another plane went down -- >> donald, listen to yourself right now. >> my check of a week hillary clinton, which is four more years of obama is not going to
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do it for our country. >> in an attempt to try to convince voters he's ready to be commander in chief, the republican party's presumptive nominee is currently using a plane crash that killed dozens of people, about which we still know very little, as nothing more than a political cudgel to wield against barack obama and hillary clinton on foreign policy. but voters do seem to have some concerns about his ability to lead the country. a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows that a combined 61% of voters are concerned about his lack of government or military experience, and 19% of voters have reservations, and 42% of voters feel outright uncomfortable with his lack of traditional experience. joining me now, chris murphy, democrat, members of the foreign relations committee who has supported hillary clinton for senator. and i want you to respond to trump saying, why should i be politically correct when pressed about speculating -- not even speculating, just contending that he knows the origins of a air tragedy that's still being investigated? >> okay, first, he doesn't know the origins. he's making that up.
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no one knows the origins or the cause of that crash. second, he's not going to change. we've been told now for about four to five months that the presidential trump was right around the corner. it's not coming and he's not going to change if he was going to become president. and third, it's these kind of statements as president that tank financial markets that start wars, and potentially get thousands of people killed. it might be quixotic and kind of interesting to hear him wax on about what his theories of the case are with respect to this crash. but when you say that as president, adversaries and allies react. markets react. and terrible things happen and so i just think it's important for the american public to understand, this guy is not changing. he's a racist xenophobic, off the cuff, unstable presidential candidate. and he's going to be the same way as the president of the united states. >> well, you -- i mean, a lot of people, it's funny, i've spent a
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lot of time talking to supporters, and a lot of the supporters, i think, they sort of price this in, right? like, basically, the way that -- and i've had people in my life i've liked even though they've talked a lot of trash and i would excuse it. saying, they're just talking trash, don't -- you get that. i mean, spell out why that's dangerous, right? like, if you're president of the united states and you're the president of the united states saying ten minutes after this plane goes down, this was terrorism, like, what does that mean geopolitically? >> let's take it into a different context. let's say that there was a terrorist-looking attack in warsaw, poland. and donald trump decides that it's the russians, right? when he makes a statement like that, there is a treaty that is underneath it. there is an obligation that is triggered when an american president says that a certain attack happens within the constrict of a treaty. our allies in the region will act, wars literally get started by presidents who say the wrong thing.
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and so, this isn't just instability. this isn't just an annoyance, politically, this can lead to real-world consequences in which hostilities start because you rush to snap judgments. s and this is who he is in his dna. there's no set of advisers he'll be able to put around himself to stop this from happening when he's president. >> let's talk about experience. it was interesting to me to look a little bit about the polling on this. and i think that people are so, his personality is so sort of overdetermines the way people feel about him. if you step back, americans haven't nominated someone like this to be president, you know, since 1940. how much does it matter -- you see the operations, the u.s. government's foreign policy up close every day. how much does experience matter? >> this really would be remarkable. i mean, the most unprepared president since maybe chester a. arthur to enter the white house.
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and it does matter, because today we are not in a black and white world. the question of when and how you go to war with a tactic that is terrorism, rather than a well-defined enemy, like the soviet union, involve very complicated questions. and, of course, we've seen the mistakes that have been made when there is a president in the white house, who refuses to listen to smart advice around him. george w. bush got us into a war that extricate himself the from, because he was narrow-minded and not listening to outside advice. it's a day when it's better than ever to find your enemy and attack it. experience matters. and the fact that donald trump isn't really willing to listen to anyone, other than himself, he's said it over and over and over again, that's maybe what's most dangerous. >> i'm reminded about al pacino and glenn gary ross saying, you never open your mouth until you know what the shot is.
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senator, chris murphy, thanks for joining me. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks for you to joining us at home. happy monday. this was a busy "newsday" today. president obama is in vietnam, where he ended the decades-long arms embargo against vietnam. president obama also announced that a u.s. drone just killed the head of the taliban. didn't see that coming. the head of security at the tsa just got fired today in a scandal that is not exactly about the giantly long tsa lines we're having at the country's airports right now, but it is related to that, and it also involves a giant bonus that he apparently got, plus the word "smurfing" is involved. we'll get to all of that in a moment. we also learned this afternoon that the fbi is apparently investigating virginia's democratic governor, terry mcauliffe, which means virginia is now officially turning into illinois, with one of its

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