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donald trump held a rally earlier tonight and protesters joined that rally and stayed on. let's go live to hallie jackson who has the calmest voice out there. voice -- so unmodulated. it's like i'm watching you run and you don't run out of breath and you run and stop and start over again. you're quite calm in covering what could be a tricky situation, hallie. >> thank you, chris. i appreciate that. we're back out on the street where the police have really quieted things down. most of the protesters, i would say almost all of them, virtually all of them have dispersed. we're trying to get you a picture up to see it for yourself. instead of the number of police officers you saw earlier, there's maybe a handful, a dozen or so. there's nobody at the intersection. there's a handful of people standing around on the sidewalks. it appears as though the protest, the it demonstration, has ended at this point. police are still out in their riot gear but the officers on horseback have turned and gone back toward the convention center. as police have cleared sort of intersection by intersection.
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almost everybody, again, has left. so what we s tonight, chris, i think i heard some of your guests talking about this, not nearly the kind of thing we say -- chicago or some of these other trump rallies. >> yes. >> this is a protest that obviously escalated a little bit as you saw with people throwing rocks, with the deployment of the pepper spray and some of the smoke canisters. so we can't talk about it -- i mean, you heard it from some of these interviews we did with folks out there about how this protest began. people, families, coming out upset with trump. upset with his immigration policies. he was interrupted several times during his speech tonight. again, none of that is uncommon for a trump event. what happened tonight as we moved outside and people were sort of diverted from the entrances and exits they were supposed to leave from, trump supporters i'm talking about that had been at his rally, we saw these protests escalate outside into the video you've been seeing all night. i remind you, this point it's
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11:00 or so local time so it's getting later -- >> we're watching the film earlier tonight, hallie. >> you're seeing what happened. a very, very different scene at this point. again, much quieter. it appears as though things have calmed down considerably. albuquerque police, maybe 30 minutes ago, chris, said the bulk of the demonstration was over and who were left were people trying to be disruptive. but again, even those folks have headed out. there's a couple random pebbles still being tossed but very quiet. >> great report. thank you so much, hallie jackson summarizing the evening. we're back here in new york. we have jacob rascone for another report on the othath si of the protests. jacob, give us your summation of the evening. >> reporter: as hal lirkslie sa proteste erer erers dwindling. the officer or horseback have been trying to get ahead of
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protesters those who continue to walk and try to continue to protest. as we turn to the left, i don't know if you're able to see this or hear that, but the rest of the protesters are here behind this dumpster. they're knocking over dumpsters. some of the protesters told me they're going to go until the cops get tired. but notably, there are only about, i would say, 50, 60 of them compared to several hundred we had at the start of this. and again, it started with several groups of protesters who wanted to be peaceful, they said. they even had a big plan about how they were going to calm things down, but then it got out of control. they lost control and those who had come in and were more aggressive took over, started throwing things at police. now for a number of hours now, we've had this back and forth. it seems to be dwindling as hallie has reported and as we're seeing out here. chris? >> it's not very hot out there tonight, is it? what's the temperature, 75 or 80? 75? jacob? >> reporter: chris, i'm sorry, i didn't hear your question.
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>> the temperature. >> reporter: oh, how hot it is outside. sure, it's cooler right now. during the day i think it was 85 degrees. right now it's probably 65, 70. >> okay. nice night. thank you, jacob. great reporting by our teams tonight. it was great having you on. i'm glad nobody got hurt so far. with me on the set, joan walsh, joy reid. i want you to give your summation of this and try to do it in a way that captures, touches all the bases. >> yeah, i think we're looking at, as you said, a long, hot summer. wherever donald trump goes, these are the kinds of protests that are going to follow him. he eggs them on. i think that he sees this as beneficial to him. it helps him be him. it allows him to be the carnival barker and get out there and humiliate -- >> making your point, the person from the top of the team put out they like basically to mock the people there. >> i see a lot of people expressing their humanity in a face of a candidate who's really built his candidacy on denouncing their humanity. yeah, there are a few people out
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there not actually out there to protest but at the end of the day, they accomplished their goal, got on tv and got their issues aired. >> i thought the three people we heard from were great. >> they have grievances. it's not like it's mindless or they want violence. they're speaking out against someone who's really attacking their community. i want to pick up son something said earlier, this could be something that brings clinton and sanders campaigns together. i think that there's a real contribution by the sanders campaign. i think we heard that young woman say she supports bernie sanders. and i think that that's all important and hillary clinton has to learn from the urgency that we see out on the streets and from the desperation that we see. there's a role for peaceful protests but i also think it's fwoings to be time we can't see something -- some version of this on the democratic side. in philadelphia. i think it's coming to be time. where the two wings of the party come together to defeat that man and i hope people are seeing that as well tonight. >> isn't this a somewhat dispiriting election along those lines that the only thing that unites either party is the
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opposition? >> yeah. >> i mean, if you have to say the only thing that unites -- >> i don't know if it's the only thing that unites. >> what you did say. >> did i? >> the idea that looking at this is what they're going to oppose. >> it's one thing that will unite them. i think president obama when he comes off the sidelines and really begins to campaign for the nominee, which will be hillary clinton, i think that will unite people. and i -- >> you're right about obama. >> so i do think -- >> his numbers are up. >> his numbers are up. he really is itching to come off the sidelines. he detests this man. and i think he's going to remind democrats what's at stake. i think there are positive things that will bring people together, not merely the negati negative. >> let's talk personal politics, my absolute love. >> okay. >> if i were barack obama, first african-american president, went to harvard law, columbia, raised his kids perfectly, perfectly faithful husband, does everything the most right wing white guy in the world said you should do and done every one of those things perfectly his whole
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life then somebody says can i see your papers, mr. president? can i see your i.d.? >> right. that's this guy. >> can i see your reason, in fact, justification for being in this country? i want to see that. i would think he's going to remember that. >> absolutely. >> who did that to him. that's trump. >> donald trump is the embodiment of the backlash against the obama moment. he embodied it. he mouthed it. >> with birtherism. >> he verbalized it. birtherism. his ridicule of the president's transcripts, saying he couldn't possibly have been smart enough to go to harvard. the whole idea -- >> is that what he wanted? i thought for a while he had a wilder theory that obama didn't exist, that obama never went to those schools, that there wasn't somebody named obama. >> or somebody else wrote his papers. >> no one knew him in school. what was that theme? >> he was voicing i think the anxiety who felt that barack obama, barack hussein obama becoming president of the united states meant a fundamental demographic shift that made them angry, anxious and
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uncomfortable. he verbalized it, absorbed it and regernurgitated it and he's running for fpresident. >> i think there's a percentage of our country, 10%, 15%, i'm not going to go any higher, want to bring the kids out they show the kids when they go to high school and grade school, here's a list of our presidents in color pictures and there's no obama there or have an asterisk underneath, snuck in the country. >> to me, it's, you know, a comforting role that trump served when he was doing all the birtherism stuff because really he's telling these people, look, this guy may have gone to colum these things right to be successful, elected president -- >> never tried to clean up -- >> he's not better than you are. >> never tried to clean up. >> right. he's not better than you are. he's not smarter than you are. >> how do you get to that? >> i was a black kid who went to an ivy league school. i went to the same school trump
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went to so i understand what it's like to be judged for your -- >> but in this case, what is he trying to say about how obama may have gotten into harvard law, he may have been selected as editor of "law review" in a blind test, had nothing to do with racial, affirmative action or anything like that. he got it in a blind test. how do they deal with that fact? they don't know it, of course. >> facts matter. fact s don't matter. as long as black men at harvard -- you know, there's no way he deserves to be in. >> anyway, isn't it something? this all comes back to bite you. by the way, trump doesn't want to talk about this. that serves its purpose. >> he still won't say conclusively he's now satisfied -- >> if you get near him, try it because i don't think anybody's hit him with that one yet. >> you tried it and he won't quite go there. he will never cross the line and
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sa says, i tried that, i saw the long form. >> his whole approach is never explain, never apologize, ever, ever, ever. it's part of his thing. do you think he's going to come back and say, i thought about it, did research on it and rafael cruz's father had nothing -- >> he'll never say that. >> cruz, the guy, if i were ted cruz, i'd say i'm not forgiving him, he called my father an assassin. >> a lot of them are. >> called my father a friend of cast castro's. he was no friend of castro's. earlier tonight, donald trump addressed some protesters who demonstrated inside. let's watch that. >> we have all night. i'll tell you, let's just say we have all night together, folks. it's a love fest. we have all night. all night. you know, the safest place to be
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any time in our country is at a trump rally. it's love. believe me. it's love. it's love. >> i don't know what to make of this. >> carnival barker. >> they do love each other, the people in the crowd, they love what they're doing. having the time of their life. outside are people who don't like the message at all. >> making people feel good. robby jones i think is great on this stuff, he calls them nostalgia voters. trump is nostalgia, let's go back to the time, you wrote about it in your book, '50s, things were better, a guy could get a blue-collar job, his wife stayed home, weren't competing with women. >> that's appealing if everybody could have it. >> not appealing to me, though. >> no. if everybody -- >> can have it. that's the caveat. >> i know we all want to go back home and raise kids and leave our jobs. i done thi't think you're sayin that. >> i tell you, i gave a speech when i was growing up in city,
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philadelphia, you could come out of high school, get cs, be a regular person. the "a" student always have a job somewhere. get a "c" average. get a job at the bud plant, boeing plant, heinz plant, raise much money to get your kids through college. your wife didn't have to work. it was culturally kconservative. go bowling friday night like my father did. you weren't rich. life was pretty good. we won world war ii and we were the manufacturing center of the world. >> that's how you get to 43 %. the no stall swstalgia is just - >> i wish the kids who grow up in my neighborhood, hunting park, grew up in row houses didn't see a gentrified waterfront but a place where they could go to work two subway stops away. that would be good. >> i think some of the bernie sanders support is about that, too. it's about americans who feel what you just described no
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longer exists and that there's a desperation in a lot of it. there's a sense that the country's slipping away. >> did you see the report here the other day, where he went out to western pennsylvania, to aliquippa and there was nothing there except a plane. >> that's right. >> there was not even rubble left from the factories. >> go to cleveland, a lot of the old factories are nightclubs now. >> gentrified. isn't that great? tennis courts. that does a lot. nice restaurants. that's not enough -- >> not a lot of jobs. >> nice restaurants in philly but doesn't create jobs for a lot of people. >> that's what the anxiety and anger and rage is about. there are different flavors of it no one proposed a way to replace what we had. we can't get back there with manufacturing. >> why don't you get out of this business and do something? >> i'll form that think tank with you, chris. >> what are you going to do? i think bernie says free health care for life. university public, education, free. these are good proposals. and maybe there's a way to finance some of this stuff. but i don't know how it
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reignites an economy for working people. an economy that has jobs for the person coming out of high school. technical skills with it so you can actually go to work. >> yeah. >> right away. don't have to learn shakespeare on the way to work -- >> you talked about infrastructure. that's one way we could do it if we were willing to pay for it. >> back to my old speech, reunite the country by rail, start building. >> i'm with you on that. >> that's where trump's right, by the way. jfk's a dump. penn station's a dump. >> cleveland hopkins. >> a dump. >> laguardia. >> don't get me started. >> we could start rebuilding them. >> so much to do. >> by the way, we have memorial bridge here in washington. it's falling apart. >> yeah. >> you know, these -- >> the country's falling apart. >> we have a subway tunnel going into new york that scared the heck out of me -- did you see that picture the other day? there's a tunnel, my god, outside those iron walls is the water that's going to come in if this thing starts leaking. that's the only way to get to new york. >> we have a political resistance to it. the idea of a bullet train,
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high-speed train. >> a lot of people fight that. why does the right hate that? >> they don't want the government involved, think the private sector is the only way to go. rick scott killed a 20-year plan to build a bullet train across florida. >> europe and france and zurich, recently i was there with my wife, get on the train, put the diet coke, it sits there. go to japan. the same thing. trains that run without rumble. you get on the amtrak, you think you're on a buck board. >> exactly. >> you can't stand up on these trains. >> that's right. >> this is america. >> yeah. >> we used to be state of the art. >> that used to be a bipartisan belief you could build this country back. >> build, build, build. >> it's not here. >> you know, the problem -- the democrats want to build but nobody trusts them with the money and the republicans, they trust them with the engineers but don't want to do anything. >> don't want to do anything. >> that is our conundrum. 30 seconds now. tonight's big message is a little trouble, not much, but a big message from the to pro testers. this is going to get worse. >> yeah. >> thank you so much, joan walsh. i try to summarize opinion.
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>> thank withdrew. >> thank you for coming. enjoy as always. our coverage will continue after this. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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i'm chris matthews with our continues coverage of the protest in new mexico tonight. they seem to be over right now. donald trump, pretty much over, is now the projected winner. the state of washington republican primary tonight. his victory was overshadowed of course by the demonstrations that erupt the outside his rally in albuquerque. also inside a bit. hundreds of protesters gathered outside the convention center yelling shut it down, throwing rocks and bottles at officers mounted on horseback. the crowd later broke through a barrier and smashed a glass wall but were blocked by police at the entrance. officers dressed to riot gear tried to contain the crowd
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outside. police say they made no arrest so far. as we've been reporting, no injuries of officer yet. but they have used smoke grenades, pepper spray and loud speakers to try to disperse the crowd so far. meanwhile inside the convention, where trump was speaking to about 8,000 supporters, security officials escorted out protesters, trying to disrupt trump's message. when we return, we'll join the rachel maddow show already in progress.
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last summer not long after donald trump got into the presidential race two reporters for the daily beast reported on one of the darker personal allegations that's ever been made against donald trump and in
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the course of reporting that story they received this response from donald trump's lawyer, michael cohen. i'm going to quote him directly here. "i will make sure that you and i meet one day and i will take you for every penny you still don't have. and i will come after your daily beast and everybody else that you possibly know. so i'm warning you, tread very fing lightly because what i'm going to do to you is going to be fing disgusting. you understand me? you write a story that has mr. trump's name in it with the word rape and i'm going to mess your life up for as long as you're on this frickin' planet." the story by the daily beast recounted an allegedly violent incident involving donald trump and his then-wife ivana trump. the incident detailed in a 1993 book called "lost tycoon." recounted a deposition from the ivana and donald trump divorce in the early '90s in which she did use the word rape to
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describe what had happened one night during their marriage. the book depicted her as the victim of a, quote, violent assault saying she felt violated by her experience. for the record, after that story appeared last summer, ivana trump basically disavowed that central claim. she said the story was, quote, without merit. but it did lead to donald trump's lawyer warning that what he would do to anybody reporting on that allegation would be, and i quote, "f'ing disgusting." now in that set-to with "the daily beast" donald trump's lawyer michael cohen also told those reporters that it is not legally possible for a person to rape his or her spouse. he said, "of course, understand that by the very definition you can't rape your spouse. you cannot rape your spouse. and there's very clear case law." there is not very clear case law. that was total bull pucky. you can rape your spouse. but that was not just some guy spouting off at a bar, right?
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that's donald trump's lawyer. and he still is donald trump's lawyer. and today that same lawyer was on cnn making allegations about bill clinton's sexual history and hillary clinton's allegedly personal role in making it all somehow worse as bill clinton's wife. >> what's the joke about the allegations that he had -- >> made fun about the women. i'll tell you -- >> improper relations with women, ruined women's lives, had his wife go after them? >> the person who called all of them the worst was hillary clinton. the great enabler. here's a little hint for them. >> please. >> donald trump is this uber-billionaire real estate developer, possibly the greatest negotiator in the history of this planet. he'll never come out with his first offer in real estate right off the bat. meaning if she thinks that this is bad, right, this is nothing. he's not coming out with his strong, right, from day number one.
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>> remember, this is the same guy who to "the daily beast" said "i'm warning you, tread very lightly, because what i'm going to do to you is going it be fing disgusting. i'm going to mess up your life for as long as you're on this planet." same guy. now he's on to this part of the story. the trump campaign is launching a coordinated effort with the candidate, himself, with his lawyer, with his best friends in the media and terms of paid campaign materials including an instagram video featuring the voices of two of bill clinton's accusers from the 1990s, which was released by the trump campaign yesterday. >> i was very nervous. no woman should be subjected to it. it was an assault. >> he starts to bite on my top lip. i try to pull away from him. >> that video released by the trump campaign after an interview a few days ago with a fox news host named sean hannity
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in which the candidate, himself, took the accusations further than even his very eager host was initially willing to go. >> what about what clinton's done? how big an issue should that be in the campaign? for example, i looked at "the new york times." are they going to interview juanita broaddrick? are they going to interview paula jones? are they going to interview kathleen willey? in one case it's about exposure, another groping, fondling, touching against a woman's will -- >> and rape. >> one of the new pacs which has sprung up to support donald trump is called the rape accountability project for education pac, an acronym chosen because it spelled o out r.a.p.e.p.a.c. they've hired one of the bill who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct in the 1990s. this is now on. we were told if donald trump was the nominee this was going to happen. this is how they would run against hillary clinton. but it's now no longer a possibility. this is now on. it's a whole campaign effort from team trump.
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>> we're essentially talking about the fact that we have a war on women being waged by the democrats. at least against the republicans. that's the accusation. and yet we have the person who is the lead of that fight on the part of the democrats is in fact a person who could not control the sexual predation that went on in her own home. >> that is how the trump campaign is running donald trump for president. that's what he has to offer the nation. the clinton campaign has said this is the gutter, they are not getting in the gutter, they will not respond to this they will not go there. but donald trump and his whole campaign in an organized way is there. the trump campaign is no longer floating this line of attack as something they might try. they're running with it full time, full bore, all aspects of the campaign. you'd think opening up this line of attack, this kind of attack, would also inherently open up donald trump's whole past. because there are decades-old allegations against him as well.
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when bill clinton came under withering public scrutiny in the 1990s donald trump himself remarked at the time that he himself, had he been a politician, he could never withstand that kind of scrutiny. >> why don't you run for president, do you ever think of that? >> people want me to. >> what about you? >> i don't like it. imagine how controversial i'd be. you think about him with the women, how about me with the women? >> how about me with the women? donald trump speaking with chris matthews in 1998. but now, if it is going to be clinton versus donald trump in 2016, this is the way that donald trump has decided to run. the trump campaign and the trump organization have threatened to go totally nuclear on anybody who hits them on this stuff in donald trump's own life like the donald trump lawyer telling that reporter at "the daily beast." "so sooim warning you tread very fing lightly because what i'm going to do to you is going to be fing disgusting." that's the way they want to
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fight it. obviously if ewe in a fight like this you'd want it to be one-sided. you'd want to be the one launching these sort of mud missiles, right? you'd want to be launching them and you'd want people to be too scared to launch back at you. you'd want it totally one-sided. you'd want it to be that way. when you're the target? the way hillary clinton is the target right now? why would the clinton campaign agree those are going to be the terms of this fight, that this is going to be a one-sided fight? this is almost unbelievably ugly stuff. does it require an answer?
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big show still to come tonight, still coming up we've got a surprising on-tape admission from the head of the republican governors association and why she is not right now doing something you would otherwise expect her to be doing. that's on tape, that's coming up. s also life during wartime gets way more kinetic than it has been recently. a live report from our pentagon producer. and brian fallon from the hillary clinton for president campaign joins us live here next. stay with us.
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the bernie sanders campaign told us last week that they intended to buy ads after all in california. we've also been told that in the full-on sprint to the california primary on june 7th the clinton campaign did not intend to spend money on ads in california unless the sanders campaign jumped in first. today the sanders campaign jumped in first. >> what choice do californians have in this election? the biggest one of all. you have the power to choose a new direction for the democratic party. to break the back of a corrupt system of campaign finance that keeps a rigged economy in place. to stand up to wall street and
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make the wealthy pay their fair share. to fight for tuition-free colleges and universities. california, it's a long way to washington, but you can send them a message they can't ignore. i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >> a new direction for the democratic party. that's the new bernie sanders ad which is running in california. that's notable for the content of its ad which you saw. also notable for its existence. there's a real open question right now as to what kind of financial resources the bernie sanders campaign still has. especially when they need now to be competing in a big expensive state like california. just for perspective sake, even though california wasn't in the crucial last spot in the calendar in 2008, it was a super tuesday state in 2008, even so, barack obama and hillary clinton both spent about $6 million on tv time in california in that race eight years ago. california is a hugely expensive state to run in because it's so big that you really do have to run on tv and because the tv time is so expensive. the sanders campaign was known
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to have less than $6 million on hand in total at the start of this month. so there was some thinking that he couldn't run any california ads even if he wanted to. apparently though we now know they've got the scratch. because here's the ad and the sanders campaign says it's spending about $1.5 million to run it in l.a., san francisco and sacramento. there's no word yet on whether this ad buy today from senator sanders will mean the clinton campaign will respond in kind. the two candidates both campaigned in riverside, california, today and tonight. actually just a couple of miles apart from one another. but while the sanders campaign today released its new ad touting a new direction for the democratic party, the clinton campaign released this today against donald trump. >> this is an economy that can't find the bottom of bad news. >> ten years of saving, completely gone. vanished. >> the biggest crash of household wealth that we've ever had in the united states.
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>> i sort of hope that happens. because then people like me would go in and buy. if there is a bubble burst as they call it, you know, you could make a lot of money. >> we don't know if the clinton campaign is going to be doing tv advertising to run against bernie sanders in california. we do know that this appears to be the first large-scale coordinated all-in effort by the clinton campaign against donald trump. joining us now to talk about this latest strategy is the national spokesman for the hillary clinton campaign brian pallen, nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> am i right this is the first all hands on deck trump-focused effort? >> more or less. i thought that this was an important moment to highlight. i think that it sort of puts the lie to this idea that donald trump is on the side of the working class. there's been no shortage of attention on all the divisive statements he's made. i think the fact that he's in
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over his head on foreign policy is well documented. but i think he got a free ride during the republican primary on this idea he's running as a populist, especially on trade issues, that he somehow represents the working person. i think from his tax plans to his opposition to a minimum wage increase to the way he's conducted his business affairs, there's plenty of reason to question that. >> it's interesting the way he responded to this ad from you guys today, by basically saying, yeah, i'm a businessman, i make money where ever i can in a bad market i can make a ton of money, we need more thinking like that in politics, people who make the bev a bad situation. he doesn't appear shy about what you think is going to be embarrassing to him. >> that's right. to me this comment is worse than the 47% comment that was such a groundswell in the 2012 campaign with mitt romney. because it's not just showing sort of that he detests working-class people, but he's actually relishing the idea of profiting off of people's misfortunes, people who were
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having foreclosures happen to them. yet he didn't react as if it was a gaffe, he didn't attempt to make take it back. if he had the political press corps would have been quick to say, that was objectively a bad day for donald trump. instead because he peddles this narrative, yeah, i meant to say that, and in fact that's what i'm going to put that approach to work on behalf of the american people. people are second-guessing themselves and wondering, maybe being greedy is good in 2016. and our theory of the case is, no, greed is not good. just because you're shamelessly greedy, it's still not good. >> it does seem i can follow this through line through different points of contention. on taxes there's the issue whether or not he's going to disclose his taxes. but he's also already bragging about how little he pays in taxes. >> yes. >> how smart he's been about evading taxes. he's very proud of that. he's proud about the number of times he's used bankruptcy law in order to make more money for his companies. he's proud about the fact that he's offshored manufacturing jobs for his clothing lines because that's a way to make more money and he knows how to do that.
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his rejoineder is the same. yeah, and i've made a ton of doing it, i'm a winner, i know how to work the system so i can shut down those loopholes but also don't you want somebody this conniving working on behalf of this country? his rejoineder does have appeal if you like the idea of him as a winner that would make our country great again. >> this has caused them to say, how are you going to deal with this? because for donald trump up is down, black is white. he can brag he pays zero in taxes and his poll numbers go up. that worked in a republican primary, he gained a plurality of support in the republican primary because he told people what they wanted to hear in terms of repealing to people's worst instincts in terms of misogyny, bigotry, condoning violence at his rallies. when you appeal to that segment of the electorate they're going to forgive statements like about taxes where he's bragging about paying nothing in taxes. general election is a different story. independent voters are not going to take well to this. i think a lot of people that are
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commentating about the campaign to come are drawing the wrong lessons from the primary and applying them to the general election. i think people's initial instinct was right, it will be in the general election, when it comes to independent voters. >> on the issue how the trump campaign is comporting yourself they're already full bore in terms of bringing up sex scandals from the 1990s and attacking hillary clinton on the basis of her husband's personal misbehavior. they're not shy about this at all. they appear to be gearing and up they appear to be making this a central part of how they're going to run against her. i know that your campaign position is basically, we're not getting in that particular gutter, we're not going to respond. are you really just going to let him run free on that for six months? >> we don't actually fear that this is resonating with the voters in any way. i think that the lesson that he drew from the republican primary was that he could bully his way around and put fear into his opponents, chris christie, marco rubio, jeb bush.
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and he felled them one after another by essentially playing mind games with them, trying to get under their skin. oozing this machismo factor. i think he's going to use the same tactics, bully hillary same tactics, bully hillary clinton into making a mistake or backpedaling or shying away from him, being passive. hillary clinton has shown from the beginning of the launch of donald trump's campaign that she's not going to be shy about calling him out. unlike the republicans who couldn't challenge him on any policy questions, she's been ferocious about challenging him on his plan to do mass deportations, his opposition to pay equity, his opposition to a minimum wage increase. we are not turning the other cheek when we refuse to get into the gutter with donald trump, we're taking it to him every day, including today, spotlighting his heinous statements in support of rooting for a bursting of the house bubble. we're going to be challenging him and taking a case to him and as you heard today with a sitny of surrogates across the country today drawing attention to some
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of his biggest misstatements. so we're not going to be relenting in that. people shouldn't mistake that, our refusal to get in the gutter and litigate these absurd allegations about vince foster that have been investigated five times two decades ago. you shouldn't mistake that as thinking that means we're being passive in the face of donald trump's absurd approach to this campaign. >> brian fallon, national spokesman for the hillary clinton campaign. it's a shame you haven't been here on set with me before, please come back. >> absolutely, thanks for having me. >> it will just get worse from here, i promise. we have much more to come. stay with us.
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pay for as taxpayers, not often but it happens, is that we pay for instructional or propaganda leaflets to be dropped from airplanes onto foreign soil. i say instructional or propaganda because it's not always easy to tell those things apart. for example, your taxpayer dollars this past week funded this leaflet which was dropped
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by the thousands out of airplanes onto the ground in a specific city in syria. you see how the color scheme works here? the idea is that people are supposed to run out of the black and white apocalyptic scary city on the right. they're supposed to run to the left toward the green, toward the full color of the world outside that scary city. the billboard-type sign that's falling down in the black and white region next to the isis flag, what that says is "the islamic state, the state of raqqah, checkpoint." the writing on the top on the left-hand side says, "this is the time that you've been waiting for for a long time. it's time to leave raqqah." raqqah is the city in syria that was captured by isis three years ago. it's isis' stronghold, de facto capital for the islamic state in which they proclaimed in that part of the middle east. when the u.s. started dropping leaflets in raqqah we got a look at those leaflets quickly. we knew the u.s. military was
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dropping these but we didn't know why. obviously they're telling civilians to flee that city, telling them it's time to go. was that a legitimate warning of a big military offensive that was about to happen against raqqah? or was this just a psy-op, psychological propaganda operation to worry isis, to unsettle them and get them nervous? in the press anonymous pentagon officials said it was just propaganda, they said they were messing with isis, and no big operation was actually planned. but now today it's apparently on. rebel groups including the ones supported ostensibly by u.s. military training, they've apparently joined up with a huge number of kurdish forces, 25,000 to 30,000 kurdish troops to start what appears to be a large-scale military offensive against isis' capital city in raqqah in syria. today those forces are reportedly still 30 to 40 miles north of the city of raqqah. but they're reportedly headed in and they've been knocking isis forces out of small towns along the way as they go.
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so apparently this leaflet wasn't kidding. the fight for raqqah, what isis claims is its capital city, that fight is apparently on. and simultaneously the other fight that is on is the fight for fallujah. the name fallujah has a lot of resonance here in the united states because of the huge number of mostly u.s. marines who were killed and wounded fighting there in the early days of the iraq war. some of the fiercest house to house fighting the u.s. military has been in since vietnam. fallujah is 40 miles west of baghdad, first iraqi city captured by isis in iraq, even before is yn is declared itself to be a caliphate, isis has been okfying fallujah for 2 1/2 years since january 2014. their longest held territory in iraq. the fight is apparently on in fallujah now, too. the fight to take back that city from isis got under way yesterday. that offensive is being carried out in large part by iraqi
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forces and also by shiite militias that are backed by iran. and that's a little bit of an issue for the united states military. the involvement of the iranian trained militias explains why american forces in part are not taking a direct role in this fight in fallujah. the u.s. military does have some artillery units at a base west of fallujah. they have offered up apache helicopter gunships for the fight in fallujah. the iraqis haven't taken them up on that. iraqi forces in iranian trained and iranian armed militias at this point reportedly surrounded fallujah and firing into it. so these fights are both happening at once now. these are two big fights under way simultaneously right now against two totally key places held by isis. one started yesterday in iraq. in fallujah. one started today in syria, in raqqah, in what appears to be a major assault on isis' hometown, the capital of their caliphate. these are big fights, big
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offensive for two big important isis-held cities. what do these mean for our war against isis? were they planned to kick off in parallel as an idea to weaken isis by forcing them to fight in two countries, in two big cities on two fronts? and what does this mean for the american involvement in this war? hold that thought. we've got a live report next.
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this is what part of the fight against isis looks like now in fallujah in iraq.
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this is one of two brand new major military offenses to try to take back the longest held isis city in iraq, and the main strong hold held by isis in syria. both of those major military offenses hitting isis right where they live. right now, simultaneously. joining us now, courtney, nbc news national security producer. courtney, thank withdrew fyou f here. >> thanks for having me. >> fallujah is the longest isis-held city in iraq. raqqah is obviously their capital in syria. did we expect that both of them would have major military offensives against them to try to take them back at the same time? >> no. that's somewhat surprising and there's actually been a very different impetus for each one. so fallujah, recently there have been a number of very high profile very deadly attacks against baghdad in recent weeks. the iraqis believe those have been planned and carried out based from fallujah. so it's been a new incentive for them to go in and begin to
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finally root out. they have not actually entered fallujah yet. they're still continuing to strike it from outside the city. whereas raqqah, raqqah, the battle really hasn't actually begun there. it's really the beginning of the beginning of them going into raqqah. so these thousands of syrian democratic forces, syrian arab coalitions, syrian kurds, they're moving south from the north toward raqqah, but they have miles and miles to go, 30 to 40 miles. it's going to be a very slow march to raqqah to actually retake the city. >> courtney, do u.s. officials believe that the size of these offensives, the way they are structured are likely to be successful in terms of how dug in isis is in these places, how they might tdefend these places? will two nig >> isis created booby traps everywhere, booby trapped everything they could in that city and saw ramadi was virtually destroyed.
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much of the city by air strikes, by fighting. i think we will see something similar to that in fallujah. they are very dug in there. there are civilians still in the area. one of the reasons, though, that i think there's been some, a little bit of early warning on this is they're hoping isis will flee as they have in some of the smaller cities recently and that it won't be as fierce of a battle as what we saw in ramadi. >> courtney, nbc news national security producer. staying late for us tonight. courtney, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. stay with us.
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donald trump's first campaign fund-raiser was tonight in albuquerque. he's following that up with a rally in albuquerque right now. the republican governor of mexico susanna martinez is the chair of the republican governors association but when donald trump said he'd be coming
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to town tonight, governor martinez said she would not attend, for one very simple reason. >> everybody, of course, wants to know if you will be attending donald trump's rally tomorrow. >> no, i will not. >> what's your reason, tell us why? >> you know, i'm really busy. >> the chair of the republican governors association is really busy. she previously said that she would also be too busy to attend the republican convention in the summer until someone reminded her she has to go because she's chair of the republican governors' association so she'll have to go to cleveland but she does not have to come out of hiding while donald trump is in her town. not yet, at least. ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews, up in new york and donald trump is inching closer to clinching the republican nomination. and right now voting has just ended in the state of washington
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where trump is expected to add yet another victory. and more delegates getting him closer to that magic number of 1,237. as soon as we have an official projection from >> even as trump officially closes in on the nomination, the focus has been on controversial comments he made about a favorite right-wing conspiracy theory. in an interview with "the washington post", trump called theories about the death of vince foster very serious. and called the circumstances surrounding the death very fishy. well, a federal investigation concluded his death was a suicide. but in the past weeks, trump has also gone after bill clinton as the worst abuser of women

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