tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC May 25, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
at times like this, with guys like these, it's nice to know they're thinking of us. that does it for us tonight, we'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for lawrence o'donnell. 54 days before donald trump has -- as of tonight, he has a way to go, with paul ryan and susanna martinez. >> what's new? >> not much. hillary clinton again dogged by her e-mail controversy. >> a harsh rebuke from the state department's inspector general's office. >> she's as crooked as they come. >> i've not seen the bitterness in our politics like we have >> he's resisting jumping on the trump bandwagon, which is good. >> america can do better. run for politics. >> he doesn't seem to actually
care about making america great so much as he seems to care about making himself look great. >> how is my hair? you know it is my hair, right? you do know. >> a small, insecure moneygrubber. >> it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. >> crazy bernie, he's a crazy man. >> donald trump is about exactly one thing -- donald trump. >> tom brady loves trump. >> it is time for some accountability. the free ride is over. >> and donald trump is a terrible person. this is "the last word on campaign 2016." so here's what happens when rumors start flying around washington, that paul ryan is just about ready to endorse donald trump. paul ryan says -- i don't know
where all of this got from. i haven't made a decision. i don't have a time line in my mind. i haven't made a decision. nothing has changed in my perspective, and we're still having productive conversations. so you can add paul ryan to the very small undecided group in the most recent nbc news poll shows hillary clinton at 46%, donald trump at 43, someone else, anyone else at 9%, not sure is only 2%. paul ryan remains in that increasingly exclusive club of 2% undecideds. nbc news confirms that donald trump and paul ryan had a phone call scheduled for tonight. a spokesman for paul ryan said this about the call -- the purpose of the call tonight is for the two of them to continue their conversation about unifying the party. we never gave any indication that the call was about an endorsement. paul ryan released video today with very clear advice to donald
trump. >> leaders need to say here's my principle, here's my solution, and let's try to do it in a way that's inclusive, that's optimistic, that's aspirational, that's focusing on solutions. that's the choice you'll have far more than a personal. republicans lose personality contests anything, we always do, but we win ideas contests. we owe you that choice. >> one thing that paul ryan might be discussing tonight is why donald trump decided to attacks susanna martinez, the latina who just happens to be the republican governor of new mexico. >> we have to get your governor to get going. she's got to do a better job, okay? she's not doing the job. >> today susanna martinez set this about his comments. the governor will not be bullied into supporting a candidate. governor martinez doesn't care about what donald trump says
about her. she cares about what he says he will do to help new mexicans. and governor martinez set this about donald trump tonight. >> you know, it's politics. it really is. it's just politics. it doesn't bother me what he says. it just doesn't affect me. i was a prosecutor for 25 years, you know, and have heard names i've been called for a long time. it's not something that's going to affect me. i'm really interested, new mexicans deserve, tell us what your plan is for new mexicans. i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton. i can tell you that i'm the same place i was before this event took place. >> here is the most divisive and least dignified republican presidential nominee reminding voters today why the republican party is not unified.
>> poor mitt romney. poor mitt. i look at this guy. i mean, i have a that's worth more money. he's a choker. i hope we don't have too many in the audience. once a choker, always a choker. many of the people i competed against have now endorsed me. most importantly -- no, jeb hasn't done it yet. he will get a burst of energy and he will do it. believe me. i'm telling you. he needs more energy. jeb has not been nicer. i talk badly -- if you talk badly, i talk badly. that's the way it works. joining us is john heilman, co-host of "with all due respect." and peter waner, former adviser to presidents reagan and george h.w. bush. what's going on, john? >> well, my colleagues at bloomberg politics were the first to report that ryan was
bet ready to endorse, and then that the phone call was going to happen. trump is making is hard for ryan to do what. he wants to unify the party, but he keeps trump by saying some of the things he says is giving ryan pause continually. i think it's going to happen. it will by interesting to see what happening between them. ryan's attitude still continues to be, i want to instruct donald trump in the tenets of conservatism. i want to bring him along, educate him. my experience so far covering donald trump for a little while is condesense of that kind does not generally play well. you may have an endorsement from ryan, but i'm not sthur you'll have a happy marriage between those two. let's listen to what tom delay set today about donald trump. >> what is the impact of donald trump criticizing a republican governor on this push for unity within the party? how does it impact ha?
>> well, i'm just discovering, but it impacts every republican, especially incumbents that are running for reelection in this year. they're having to stand up and explain donald trump. this -- i have no other word for it. this is just stupid politics. it blows my mind. where is he going to get his coalition to help him win? >> peter, let's imagine for a moment that paul ryan might have been close to endorsing donald trump, then he watches donald trump yesterday in new mexico attacking the republican governor of new mexico. that would certainly put him off for a few days. >> yeah, that's the problem, and in addition to that he's gotten into this vince foster conspiracy theory. that's the problem with donald trump. he's erratic, emotional imbalanced and vindictive. i don't think he has any interest in unifying the party
unless it's very much under his conditions and terms, that means worshipping at the throne of donald trump, but it does tell you something about the man's emotional and temperamental makeup. on some level he knows he has to unify the party to win the presidency, yet he just can't control himself. he's obsessive in his attacks. he is a vindictive person. even when he family and closest aides tell him not to do it, he can't stop himself. that ought to be a warning. this is not a guy that you want with the nuclear codes. >> john, this is a big problem in scheduling an endorsement. if you want paul ryan to say we'd like to schedule it, do it next wednesday, the problem is what is your crazy candidate going to do tuesday night that prevents you from doing it? >> there are a lot of problems, trying to get any set plan when it comes to donald trump, but look, here's the reality. donald trump has the support of more than 80% of republicans
voters, right? there's every reason to think that number will get back to the normal number. he has accomplished something that i find utterly staggering. there is still some unifying of this party to do, but so many people, so many of his former rivals, so many elected officials, so many lobbyists, consultants, even some in the republican intellectual class who said two weeks ago, three months ago, never trump. he as a cancer on the party, rick perry said, now wants to be his running mate. so many said he would be a disaster, it would be horrible if he ran, and it would be even worse if he won. they're all flocking to him now, almost validating his chris teak of the party. susana martinez, she is still waiting to see what donald trump is going to say that might bring her over. she's not never trump, even though trump attacked her gra
attitude 'tisly. she doesn't come out and say i'll never support him. she said i'm still in the same place. i think it's kind of astonishing given how much we thought the party was totally fractured how he's managed somehow through his own persuasive abilities, and the cravenness of some, he's bringing the party together much faster than i thought he would. >> peter, isn't it just the polls? isn't that's what bringing people in line with donald trump? they're looking at what are a series of polls indicating a tie with hillary clinton? and that's good enough for them? >> i think that's part of it. the caveat i would put on those polls is trump has won the nomination de facto and hillary clinton has not. when she does, her polls will go up again, but i think that's part of it. i think part of it is party loyalty, and people genuinely struggling with the idea of her becoming president.
that's not easy decision for a lot of republicans and conservatives. i agree with john, at the end of the day, this is a big mistake for republicans, they're making a deal with the devil. i think people like rick perry who really las rated him during the campaign, look like fools and craven, kissing up to power. from my perspective, someone who is a pretty harsh critic of donald trump and will say never trump, it's dispiriting to see this happen. they know better, but i -- the fact that this kind of pull of party loyalty is strong as it is with such a malicious and malignant figure, is something that's troubling to a lot of us. >> paul manafort in an interview just you out, saying he's trying or the campaign believes that donald trump is going to pull
away from the muslim ban, back off it. here is what manafort said -- he's already started moderating on that. he operates by starting the conversation at the outer edges, and then brings it back toward the middle. within his comfort zone, he'll soften it some more. he'll still end up outside of the norm, but in line with what the american people are thinking. so, john, by the time we get to the convention, who knows what kind of muslim ban he'll be talking about. >> right. look, you can describe trump in a variety of ways. one way would be to say -- people who are skeptical about trump in a certain way, will say he doesn't believe in anything. he's just will to power. he'll say whatever he has to at any point along the way that he thinks will help him win. other people will describe it like machine afort. he'll take positions at what manafort describes as the outer edge, and he always expected those things would be pulled back in by reality. they're basically the same
thing. >> they are. >> they don't speak to core ideological convictions or policy convictions that give you any sort of sense of a north star or what he would actually do if he became president of the united states. for many people that's horrendous lir troubling, and for other people whoor terrified, they take comfort in the notion that he would oabandon those positions. john heilemann, peter waner, thank you both. coming up, the inspector general of the state department says that hillary clinton's e-mail system did not comply with federal law. and in the war room tonight, republicans are preparing for what they call a summer of scandal. and later, another round of elizabeth warren during donald trump. a small, insecure moneygrubber who doesn't care who gets hurt so long as he
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you've heard a lot of speculation about who donald trump might choose as his vice presidential nominee. tonight donald trump received some advice on that from jimmy kimmel. >> can i make a suggestion about this vippial thing. >> sure. >> why don't you do this like "celebrity apprentice"? each week it would be the highest rated show in television. >> that's a good idea. >> you eliminate one person and they go back to wherever the hell they came from. >> that's right. >> see, this is why i would be your best vice president. >> there has been a lot of discussion about what is in the inspector general's report on secretary clinton's e-mail at the state department. most of that discussion has been how it affects the presidential campaign. we will actually look inside the inspector general's report. that's next.
this was fully above board, people knew i was using a personal e-mail. i did it for convenience. i sent e-mails that i thought were work related to people's dot-gov accounts. >> today the state department inspector general appointed by president obama issued a report that concluded that hillary clinton e-mail practice did not comply with federal law, specifically the federal records act. secretary clinton has repeatedly emphasized that most of the e-mails about official business that she sent from her personal account remained in the federal government's custody, because
most were sent to government e-mail addresses. this is a crucial element of secretary clinton's defense of her use of e-mail, because over 50 years, federal law has said that federal reports must be kept in the custody of the federal government, specifically in the custody of the department from which they originated. the inspector general's report says -- sending e-mails from a personal account for other employees at their department accounts is not an appropriate method of preserving any such e-mails that would consequence too ultimate a federal record. therefore, secretary clinton should have preserved any federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those reports with the related files in the office of the secretary. at a minimum secretary clinton should have surrendered all e-mails dealing with department business before leaving government service. because she did not do so, she
did not comply with the department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the federal records act. the inspector general's report says that the printed e-mails that secretary clinton's lawyers produced two years after she left office were incomplete. the report said that the department of defense provided the inspector general in 2015 copies of 19 e-mails between secretary clinton and general david petraeus on his official department of defense e-mail account. these 19 e-mails were not in the secretary's 55,000-page production. the clinton campaign issued a statement today saying the inspector general documents just how consistent her e-mail practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials at the state department who also used personal e-mail. here's a basic chart of secretary of states' uses of e-mails during the last 20 years when the use became possible. madeleine albright did not use
any form of e-mail at all. secretary colin powell used both person and some state department e-mail. secretary condoleezza rice used no e-mail at all, and then secretary clinton used private e-mail exclusively. she is the only secretary to have used a private e-mail server. secretary john kerry has used state department e-mail, but in the transition from the senate to the state department, he told investigators that he used some personal e-mail which he has probablily archived with the state department. secretary clinton is the only one of those secretaries of state who refused to be interviewed by the inspector general. secretary clinton's senior staff also refused to be interviewed by the inspector general. joining us now is robert o'hara investigative reporter with "the washington post." he wrote an investigative story titled how clinton's e-mail
scandal took root in march. that was one of the definitive pieces and our most exhaustive guide until today when the inspector general's office basically confirmed your reporting on this. i want to go first to the difference between secretary colin powell and secretary clinton on this, because colin powell is the only other one who has a private e-mail use history. and at the time he was doing that, colin powell says the state department e-mail was a purely internal system, and the only way he could send e-mails outside of the state department was to do it through a private e-mail account. >> without getting sort of litigating the matter, i think there's clearly some similarities between colin powell and secretary clinton, in that they used private e-mails, but i think there's a big difference in the sent that
colin powell was trying to set an example for a state department that was way behind with its technology and with its habits. he wanted people to see that e-mail is a good thing and it could facilitate state department work and communication. hillary clinton on the other hand used a system that remained obscure to even diplomatic security and state department technology officials who could have taken steps to ensure that it worked well and that it was safe. but she never did that. so there was a stealthiness about her choice, whether it was by accident or by design, that distinguishes it from colin powell's system which was operating in his office. there was a dedicated line to it and the technology and security people knew it was there. >> speak of the stealthiness of it in the inspector general's report there's a quote from someone in the secretary's staff when someone said they were concerned about how her e-mail was being handled, that person
the course for any large bureaucracy. the senior officials who are answering to someone like a secretary, they don't want to >> the clinton campaign through brian fallon said today if she were still at the state department, secretary clinton would embrace and implement any regulations, including those in the report. the problem with that is she did not when she was secretary embrace the rules also in place in the recommendations, including an obama administer 2009 rule that said that if you use a private e-mail system at any point for your official business, you must ensure that the federal reports sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system. this report makes very clear that they never did that. the other thing, robert, that becomes very clear in the report is that no one actually speaking to secretary clinton about this, meaning all the people she
appointed to be around her at the highest levels, none of them advised her against this. that to me is the biggest failure if you're looking at how this happened. no one on the clinton staff made any advice about this -- against this. no one said to her, you really should just use the state department e-mail. >> there's a related issue that i explored in our story in the post, which was that she was advised vigorously and repeatedly to take care with her personal blackberry. at the time she was advised in 2009, a senior intelligence official made a public speech about the vulnerability of blackberries, and the vulnerability to attack. despite those warnings, she continued to use it and her aiding continued to lobby for her to use it in classified areas of the state department. >> i just wanted to mention the
report outlines what you're supposed to do with an e-mail if it's done on your personal e-mail. the number one thing they say is don't use your personal e-mail, but in the rare instances when you do do it, you should splint that personal e-mail and have a copy of it at the state department. but the solution to never have been to print e-mail is just use the state department e-mail like you're supposed to. >> i think it's worth noting here that anybody that's been around washington for a while realizes that the he government computer systems are often inadequate. the state department's technology has been well known as being flawed. its freedom of information act systems are well known as being bulky if not completely unresponsive. so we can sort of see a certainly incentive to try to use something more efficient, or as secretary clinton put it,
something that was more convenient. that's understandable to some degree, but in this case she also ignored warnings and didn't tell people about it. robert o'hara, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. up next, in the war room, donald trump's campaign tips off the media about their strategy. me too! call me tomorrow? i'm gonna send a vague text in a couple of days, that leaves you confused about my level of interest. i'll wait a full two days before responding. perfect! we're never gonna see each other again, will we? no-no. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back. 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double.
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time for tonight's war room. a new report in politico tells hillary clinton's war room what to expect from the trump war room in the coming months. quote -- republicans are hoping for and in some cases plotting a summer of scandal for clinton. donald trump is already attacking hillary clinton on today's inspector general report about the e-mail practices at the state department. >> she's as crooked as they come. she had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down, we aren't so good, but not so good, the inspector general's report. not good. it can't be we're going to run against crazy bernie. that could be. crazy bernie, he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. >> politico reports that the trump war room is also compiling research on the whitewater investigations of the 1990s, quote -- michael caputo on wednesday morning e-mailed a.
>> reporter: are asking him to work up information on hrc whitewater as soon as possible. this is for immediate use and no the afternoon talking points process. politico says trump's spokesperson accidentally tipped off a reporter about the plan. instead of responding to trump campaign adviser michael caputo, hope hicks accidentally respond to do markka pewo a political reporter who is not related to that republican consultant. with 167 days to go, joining us tonight are rick wilson, a veteran of four presidential campaigns, including bush 0200, andfuls -- lesson one for the war room is when you're replying on an e-mail, you make sure it's the right caputo you are replying to, right? i know markka pewo.
he's one of the most diligence guys out there, but even he rarely gets a break this easily. she wrapped that up in a bow for him. they would have jumped into this pool regardless, because they're chasing down the greatest hits from the clinton bone-yard, but she certainly gave him one where he has to feel blessed today. >> rebecca, what about virtual all of this stuff involves hillary clinton. >> it's ridiculous. you see that all of this was talked about 20 years ago. it didn't work then, it's not going to work in and out. >> do republicans have polls on this kind of stuff? they have run senate campaigns.
>> in the 2000 giuliani campaign, we tested a lot of these things. the affair and krups and white-day-old water. the clintons have a hill billy hustle sore of underwards thing going on. the white water scandal started happening in the late 70s and early 80s. it's enormously complex, none of it is digitized. all scans of old court case stuff. no one is going to process what that story means. it play toss their nut case super back. if you don't already have those in the bag, you're doing something wrong. >> let's listen to this. >> i don't think that's what the campaign is going to be about. right now i think we have them totally knocked back.
>> what's the message? i have no clue what their message is. >> what's the evidence right now that they seem knocked off their games? >> i can't remember the last news cycle that they won. >> rebecca, that's their game. >> the trump campaign has no substance to run on. they have nothing. they are going at every line year at year. the clinton campaign is in a great spot. they are going on the housing remarks. he doesn't care about people, and the clinton campaign led by eliz by warren are sending out their surrogates, and i think this is a spot they can win. >> is the right move for the clinton campaign to counter with policy and go after things like trump's -- the policy issues that are raised by trump's comments on housing?
>> if i were in their position, i would stick to two things. first, i would stick to the tax issue. there was a great story today in the "daily telegraph" that illustrated that trump signed off on something that most people would consider a tax fraud in order to save $50 million. i would stay on the things that are contemporary and push back on the basic questions of trump's ethics and suitability to be president. if i were trump, i would is ittic with the e-mail scandal right now, which is slowly gaining bureaucratic and legal momentum. it's more contemporary, more fresh, there will be additional things coming out about it. that would be a smart move on trump's part, but he's too undisciplined to focus. >> i disagree a bit. >> i think the clinton campaign is right to focus on housing. people drawn to trump like him, because he doesn't care about what people in d.c. thing, but what they need to know is he also doesn't care about what
they think. >> let's listen to how she's doing it. >> let me tell you something. if she wins, and i hope she doesn't, if she wins, you better get used to it. >> that was not hillary clinton going after donald trump. do we have it, control room? >> he has put forth an he economic plan that is by a billionaire for billionaire, and it is going to hurt a lot of people. he doesn't seem to care about making mer great so much as he seems to care about making himself look great. >> it's an interesting combination of policy -- >> you have to hit with a bit of substance and a bit of snark. you saw congresswoman tight tars attack him for his stubby
fingers all over the housing crisis. that's how you beat him. rick wilson and rebecca katz, thank you very much. coming up, the latest round of elizabeth warren versus donald trump. barney frank will join us. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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>> donald trump is a divider, not a uniter. >> the timing on this is damaging for secretary clinton. >> the inspector general's report is not good. >> he hasn't made an issue of it. >> he has been saying that he experts exto win in california. >> on june 7th there's going to be a huge turnout. >> the supporters have been loudly booing hillary clinton. >> it could be we're going to run again crazy bernie. >> who knew he had a nickname? >> he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. salad, every ingredient is the main ingredient. whether it's big... or small. first to go. or best for last. sweet. or not so sweet. whether it's tossed... or twirled. if it's easy prey. or plays hard to get.
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warren when he was thinking about running for president? remember the excitement? that's because elizabeth warren is the most exciting possible choice for the democratic vice presidential nomination, and she seems to know that. if she didn't want to be considered for the vice presidency, she would not be launching the kinds of attacks against the republican national nominee that you would expect to hearty. here is elizabeth warren's latest vice presidential audition. >> it came out that drump had -- donald trump had said in 2007, that he was, quote, excited for the real estate market to crash, because i've always made more money in bad markets than good. what kind of a man does that? what kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their house? what kind of man roots for
people to lose their pensions? to root for two also girls in clark county, nevada to end up living out of a van? what kind of a man does that? i'll tell you exactly what kind of a man does that. it is a man who cares about no one but himself a small -- a small insecure moneygrubber who doesn't care who gets hurt, so long as he makes a profit off of it. what kind of a man does that? a man who will never be president of the united states. the last time his taxes were made public, donald trump paid nothing, zero, zero. zero taxes before, and for all we know, he's paying zero taxes today.
and he's proud of it. two weeks ago he said he was more than happy to dodge taxes, because he doesn't want to throw his money, quote, down the drain. let's be clear, donald trump didn't get rich on his own. his businesses rely on roads and bridges paid to by the rest of us. his businesses -- his businesses rely on workers who are educated by the rest of us. they rely on police and firefighters who protect the rest of us and who are supported by the rest of us. donald trump and his businesses are protected by a world-class military that defends us abroad and keeps us safe at home, and the rest of us paid to support. he inherited a fortune from his
father, kept it going by scamming people, declaring bankruptcy, and then skipping out on what he owed. let's be clear. nurses and teachers and dock workers, they pay their fair share to keep trump's businesses going. programmers and engineers and small business owners, they pay their fair share to support our military, who show courage and sacrifice every day. donald trump thinks that supporting them is throwing money down the drain, then i say we throw donald trump down the drain. elizabeth warren's former colleague in the massachusetts congressional delegation, barney frank, is our next guest. l and t all the way to jordan and chelsea's wedding. rumble! road trip. there she is. uh oh, oh, oh, oh, what? so here is our road trip itinerary. what's this? a bunch of different places... nah, bro. we gotta go off-script.
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in the president of vice presidential nominee? >> i'm a little troubled by your profession's refusal to ever take anybody at face value. i've known elizabeth warren for years. she's doing it primary -- i've taurd about her about this, she believes it would be a disaster. thankly it's just wrong. she would be -- she's not doing that to be vice president. this is a woman with great passion, great intelligence. one of the reasons she believes very strongly she believes it's important for her to -- she hasn't taking a position yet. she understands, i believe that hillary clinton will be the knock knee, but here is the leading effective advocate of tough financial reform, in part because she understands the pg
is such a good one. this is a rebuttal of a discussion you and i involved hillary clinton got bade for speeches, she must be soft on financial reform. elizabeth warren knows that's not true. she's effective because she's very active, but it's not because she wants to be vice president. it's believe -- she's in politics, late middle age, also well ensconced in a great position at harvard. she ran for public office, because she really believes in making the country better and understands that trump is a great obstacle to that. there's news where paul manafort said he would be surprised if donald trump releases his tax returns. i think we can take that as a no way is donald trump going to release his tax returns. manafort says they're very complicated returns, no one would understand them, and the
voters they're appealing to adopt care about it. >> one, what condesense of his voters. the fact that trump won't release tax returns is -- confirmation that he has a great deal to hide. i have to volunteer, one of the things that's troubling to me. the most despicable thing i have ever seen a major political figure do in a very long time -- i was too young to remember joe mccarthy, was donald trump raising the issue again of vince foster. kenneth starr made it clear there was a suicide, there was no involvement by the clintons. i worked closely at the time and goat a a poignant answer from the foster family. that goes beyond that.
i say on the show they're talking about whitewater. ken e9 starr studied whitewears. the republicans study it for eight years in office and for six years in a rep-controlled congress. they concluded there was nothing about whitewater. all of those accusations from the '90s were substantially, totally repudiated, but for trump to bring up vincent foster, that is a despicable effort to try to introduce a personal tragedy in the face of contrary findings by everybody, is outrageous. i know elizabeth is as outraged by that, and getting back to the central point. if there was any reason to doubt hillary clinton's passion for effective financial reform, you wouldn't see her as firmly committed to making sure she's the nominee. with donald trump having said i'm going to repeal 9 dodd/frank bill, he's giving us a great
issue, the notion that the supposed opponent of the establishment wants to take us back to the period of no financial regulation and disaster, that's what's motivating elizabeth warren. quickly before we go, what is the 30-second 3i67 you would give to voters about the dodd/frank bill and why donald trump is wrong? >> because it bans bad mortgages that got us in trouble. it creates an independent consumer protection board, and so an aig can't go $170 billion into debt. it imposes restrictions on irresponsible actions that caused us the problem in 2008, and also requires that if a big bank gets into trouble, it's put out of the business, and any debts that have to be