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dannel daniel. in 2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary would make an excellent president. as recently as 2012 you thought she would be terrific. what happened. >> let me just explain to you. when i was a businessman -- i had a beautiful story trump a world-class businessman all over the world, i speak well of everybody. they ask me about hillary, she's wonderful, everybody is wonderful. including contributions. i give everybody contributions. >> you were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. >> that's one way to look at it. it's thursday, happy thursday. may 26th. okay, now, stop it here. with us on set veteran columnist
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and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. where have you been? >> paris. >> that's kind of nice. co-founder "politico" jim. >> where have you been? >> working and doing secret things. then there's donny, we know where he's been, former advertising executive and marketing donny deutsch. and al hunt with us. good to have you aboard. obviously, a lot to get to this morning. >> good news obviously. a lot of front pages, hillary clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the e-mail server. there's the the front page of the "new york times." also, of course, on the front page of the "wall street journal." that is the big news today. >> let's start there. she was hoping to have a big endorsement, united auto workers
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and 400,000 members. that's pretty big. instead this report from the inspector general's office of the state department took the narrative in a very different direction. the report concluded she violated federal records act by not turning over all official e-mails before she left office. the report found there was no evidence she requested or received approval to use her account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board, allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department but wasn't the best choice. i have been as transparent as i could be. >> you said it was allowed. >> under the rules of the state department. >> nobody signed off on it. >> no. it was allowed. one of my predecessors have done
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the same. others in the government have done things at high level. because the rules did change after i left the state department. at the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. >> as i have said many times, it was absoluted permitted. i did it and it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> jim, first of all, we said all along the state department didn't allow this. people at the highest reaches of the state department said she never asked us, it's not allowed. they kept saying it day in and day out. they talk about trust. here we have donald trump who on a lot of issues changes with the wind and is accused of not being honest and trustworthy. you look at poll numbers, his numbers are horrific, just as
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bad as hillary clinton's and this is yet another nail in the coffin. >> look at the clips, she's not telling the truth, i think she's trying to convince hers. she said it was authorized, it's okay, not a big deal. the report says, no, no, no, you're wrong. this is her state department. she ran the state department. the ig running the investigation. you have two candidates who 60% of the people think dishonest. you look at this week of the campaign. it's going to be a battle of negativity. >> clinton maintained the server was never breached. the report tells of one incident that an adviser shut it down under concern it was under attack. footnotes tell of an incident
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that hillary clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her e-mail after getting an oom with a suspicious link. they should be notified. in the report, no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. >> donny, this goes to national security. biggest concern is national security. people act like there's much ado about nothing. actually a lot of classified documents, materials going through the server. the great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. >> not a knife to the heart but a flesh wound. in the advertising business brand positioning, brand support. if her brand is
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untrustworthiness, this is one more in there. this is going to be equally gross counter-punching. how would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. he would be saying, e-mails. you're kidding me. me, colin powell, made a mistake, look at hillary clinton, she killed convenience foster. the difference is trump, no matter what you throw at him, he's got the counter-punch. no matter what you throw at hillary she never has a way of swatting it back. it's not devastating, if the game is to make trump less temperamental and less emotionally unstable, you could move the needle. >> here is the problem, though. trump, he lies about trump success. he lies about some of the success of his business
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ventures. he flip flops on issues where he was a reality show host when he took those positions. and it seals like it's down here. with hillary clinton you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified e-mails, classified information and 22 e-mails that the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on america's national securi security. when we're talking about honest and trustworthy, i don't know she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. >> we've been talking about the top of this story, headlines of this story, lead of this story. within the report there are other devastating issues. the fact she declined repeatedly
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inspector general's request for an interview. of other secretary, colin powell, condoleezza rice, all were interviewed. >> goes to that bunker mentality of secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. >> in june 2011 the state department, secretary of state, sent out a cable to all consular and diplomatic posts urging them and commanding them, basically, to stop using home e-mail for anything having to do with state department business. yet she did not follow that edict. a cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. >> so when she says it was allowed. >> she never asked for permission. the inspector general stated she never asked for permission to use a personal e-mail and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. >> he's salivating. he's not only got lyin' hillary he's got dangerous hillary will
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she's dangerous. she can't be president. >> entitled. >> he's got 10 new words for her. by the time this is done, it will seem like according to trump she sent directly to putin e-mails she wasn't supposed to. >> you know, joe, what this could really mean, i don't know how the public reacts to this and goes, whatever, turn the page and go to the sport page but adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons and these a huge burden for her to carry. >> a lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and on paper say this isn't going to have a big impact outline, a big impact on hillary's numbers. who cares about the e-mails. what we believe and what we've seen is you go to the subset question of ones and trustworthy. it has had a devastating impact
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on that. let's remember hillary clinton was a woman with approval rating around 65, 66% when she left the state department. her numbers have plummeted. and in large part i've got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. again, it's not from breitbart, it's not from drudge. this started with "new york times" and here we have hillary clinton's own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these e-mails. >> joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for tag her from 60% approval down to 30% approval. i think it really is serious and it raises another question, what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have? why didn't someone say, i'm sorry, madam secretary, you should not do this. she shouldn't have done it but she should have had people around her raising questions,
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enablers, that raises questions about who is surrounding her. i agree with everything said. she broke the rules. that's really bad. the really big issue here is did she break the law and that will be determined in the next couple weeks. if that should happen, which i actually suspect they will rule she didn't, joe, but i don't know, if that should happen it would be lethal. >> let's go through some of the details here that are troubling and definitely conflict with what she said before. clinton campaign released a statement that said this. inspector general's documents, just how consistent her e-mail practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials an state department. >> even that's not accurate. >> remember i said the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s, government reform and oversight committee, they would bring in
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people like bernie nussbaum who would lie to us. you were there, jim. in a lot of these hearings the people on the podium would be laughing because they knew they were lying. bernie nussbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. everybody in the crowd was laughing because they knew they were lying. they would come and tell fantastical tales everybody knew wasn't true. it would happen week in and week out. i don't understand why you put out a statement like that. stop digging. stop digging. i screwed up. i'm terribly sorry. i hope the american people will forgive me and i hope they will let us move onto the issues that matter. stop lying. stop digging. >> a spokesman for bernie sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. donald trump, well, he relished
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the story on the campaign trail. >> she had a little bad news today as you know. some reports came down that were not so good. inspector general's report, not good. but i want to run against hillary. it could be we're going to run against crazy bernie. that could be. crazy burnie. he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. i hear they want to put biden in. i hear they are going to actually slip biden in and he's going to take bernie's place. >> mika, a typical response we have come to expect from mr. trump. >> i think he was tame there. >> crazy bernie. >> but he likes crazy guys. crazy guys are okay. >> i'm just saying. >> joining us now from capitol hill "politico's" rachel's bay
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reporting on the e-mail server. in your article you highlight this particular exchange, november 2010 when e-mails to department employees were not being received. according to the inspector general, clinton was urged to use state e-mail or to release her e-mail address to the department. clinton responded writing, quote, let's get separate address or device, because i don't want any risk of the personal being accessible. what do you think is the significance of that exchange. >> there's actually two things significant about that exchange. the first one being this an e-mail we haven't seen before. where has it been the whole time? did the state department have it or not release it or turn it over. an if change with one of her close advisers, houma abedin.
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it speaks to the conversation saying she used this personal e-mail server for convenience. here her response basically is she's worried about privacy issues. she doesn't mention anything about convenience. there's another problem in the story i highlight that i think really speaks to contradicting information. clinton has said all along that there's been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got ahold of now classified information. it turns out that one of bill clinton's closest staffers who set up the server and set up her e-mail, e-mailed houma abedin said, listen, we're getting hacked. i need to shut down the server, it got hacked twice in one day. houma rooechd out to staff, one of her top policy advisers said, listen, since we're getting hacked don't send, quote, sensitive information to the
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secretary. >> had the clinton team not repeatedly denied there had been any hacking concerns? >> this is exactly right. there's been no evidence of hacking. could she say my staff never told me about this? how many people would believe this. if her closest staffer and bill clinton's staffer knew about this. >> cheryl mills knew about this. >> i.t. guys e-mails are gone, wouldn't he be in charge -- >> i.t. e-mails scrubbed. >> am i bringing in something random, the guy who set up the server, wasn't he given immunity and they can't find -- >> e-mails were destroyed. >> to trump on this. this is bigger news for trump than hillary. if you didn't have a candidate like trump, this is baked in, we move on. he's going to be like a dog with a bone. picture in a debate and she says something. well, mr. clinton, how can we believe anything you say?
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can you tell us more about the e-mails. to your point, which is interesting i hadn't thought about before, joe, rare point, in citeful. >> coming from intellectual heavyweight like you i appreciate it. >> trump it's reality star stuff where the stakes, no pun intended are are hillary. >> also what was said about the iraq war. >> rachael, you were going to say something, the guy whose e-mails are lost, am i correct these are still lost? these are the man who set up the server who is not talking, at least publicly. >> that's correct. i reported on this. his technology at the state department was seized. it's unclear if those e-mails were deleted and can't find them or the fbi has his technology and backed up on that
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technology. another thing interesting, people at the state department, lower level employees who heard about her use of e-mail and server brought it up to bosses and said, we don't think this is allowed. how are they doing this. they were told basically sit down and be quiet, it's none of their business and never bring it up again. >> who said that to whom? >> it's unclear exactly who testified to ig but two separate employees on separate occasions brought this up to their boss. by the way, their boss was called into the benghazi committee and told the benghazi committee, this same gentleman, he couldn't remember anything about this. >> wow. >> the official said at the time, the exact quote in the report, never to speak of the secretary's personal e-mail system again. exact report.
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>> we'll find who that was. >> rachael, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> as far as trump goes, the thing i see, his response last night was just a rambling respon response, just sort of word salad as usual. you sit and wonder mike barnicle, is bib ever going to be able to sit down with donald trump and say you actually have a chance because of the problems that your opponent is having to be the next president of the united states. do you think now may be the time you stop winging it, you stop attacking some of the most important republican governors in america, that you stop playing this like you're in a wrestling match in like a ditch on the side of one of your golf courses? how much longer is this going to go on before somebody over there gets serious about the fact that this man is running for president of the united states
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and not the next ceo of wwe. >> joe, i'll tell you one thing, the world is aware that donald trump is running for president of the united states. millions and millions of people in the united states are aware of that. the media has got to do a better job than we've been doing. the vince foster quote is a flair sent up in front of the media. it's difficult to pin him down, it's difficult to get him to answer a question. we all know that. but we have to do a better job at this. >> how many narcissists do you know that change their behavior, recidivists do you know that change their behavior and it's working. that's why he's done it. >> after ohio -- >> this is a guy, as you said, this is a big ego, i know, you don't. as long as his numbers go in the right direction he's going to say screw you. that's what i would do. >> watch the full speech. it wasn't just an attack on hillary clinton. he went after mitt romney,
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saying he looks like a penguin, went after three politicians, called elizabeth warren pocahontas. >> he called hillary a low life. again, he's been saying, people around the campaign have been saying he's going to make the turn. mika we've been saying time and again, he said it to you, he's going to make the turn. any turn he made, actually, has been much, much worse. it reminds me of the two weeks leading into wisconsin. he had a devastating result in wisconsin. he cleaned up after wisconsin, started acting more presidential and started winning states again. so here we find our selves at the key moment for him where he's got to turn that ship around and start getting people across the rust belt. we have a poll on that. women and others more comfortable with him. he's just going in a different direction.
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>> when do we make the decision in the media, editorial decision to stop carrying aspect of the trump dump, daily aspect of the trump dump. >> it will never happen. sounds good. i agree with the critique, you think tv will stop airing him. he's great box office. >> by the way, it's not that he's great box office. i can name you 10 candidates that rated higher than donald trump. chris christie always outrated donald trump when he came to the show. it's in the numbers. bernie sanders always outrated donald trump when it came on the show. >> it's the story. >> what he says so inflammatory, attacks susana martinez, female hispanic head of the governor's association. >> that's the story. unbelievable story. >> we have to cover that. hillary clinton attacked the
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head of the democratic governor's association we would have to cover that. >> in trump's mind he's a benevolent bully. he gets to do what he wants. look, guys, you're in this business. we're going to cover it, we're not going to stop covering it. it's damn interesting to watch. kind of pathetic but damn interesting. >> i've said it a million times, i don't know why anybody would listen to me, we were so wrong about him in the primary -- oh, by the way we called it from the first state. i don't know why they wouldn't understand. >> i'm sure they do. >> what we've been saying for a long time, what works in the republican primary will not work in the fall. let me say it again one last time. what works in the republican primary in the deep south will not work in the fall in the suburbs of pennsylvania, philadelphia. >> still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump says he'll rewrite the electoral map to win in november. new polling this morning shows the very people he needs to do
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that are right now going for clinton. we'll have those new numbers. also ahead, senator claire mccaskill, nbc's chuck todd and "washington post" robert costa. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> scary tornado in kansas. we're lucky we didn't have fatalities. lucky we didn't have reports of injuries. this on the ground yesterday, very well captured by storm chasers all over the plains. this one was out by abilene, an hour west of topeka, kansas, and tore up 1,000 feet of train tracks. did take out 15 to 25 homes, almost completely destroyed. a lot of heads up to get out of the way. that was a wedge tornado, at one point a half mile wide. unfortunately going to do it again today. before we get to the tornado threat, people in iowa heading into wisconsin. we've had 60 to 80-mile-an-hour wind gusts, lost power throughout northeast iowa. this line is now going to cross into wisconsin here. still packing a punch, keep that in mind heading out early today. southern portion of that line,
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st. louis go through these thunderstorms, too. now rolling through illinois, quincy and champagne. 28 million people at risk. today would be our tornado day, expect an active afternoon. wichita, this area could see a few strong tornadoes. here is our tornado risk map. higher percentage better chance of tornado. that's 10%, 5% mostly targeting tornado alley, kansas and southern nebraska. as far as east coast, warmest day yesterday since september and we're going to do it all over again today but with a little catch. we're going to add some humidity. don't we love that humidity. washington, d.c., at sunrise. more "morning joe" when we come back.
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. >> they are paying very close attention to this election. i think it's fair to say they are surprised by the republican nominee. they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements but they are rattled by it.
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and for good reason. a lot of proposals he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> barack obama speaking of donald trump. also, big coincidence, speaking of himself. foreign leaders rattled by donald trump. they have been rattled by barack obama as have all of us. >> speaking of g7 concern about donald trump. we do have new numbers on the 2016 race, a series of polls from bloomberg politics. purple slides.
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>> great soft drinks, purple slides. >> in a poll voters earning 30 to 75 in the rust belt states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and risk, hillary clinton leads with 46% over donald trump at 39%. like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with trump holding net negative 30 points and clinton a net negative 14 points. a plurality of 45% say they are open to third party candidate, 35% say no and 20% are not sure. the rust belt middle earners like clinton on questions -- they like clinton on questions of foreign policy and fighting for the middle class. she has a nearly 2-1 average over trump on tremp ramt, 49 to 22% and more find her ready to lead on day one, 46% to 32% for trump of but these americans believe trump will be better for
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making change in washington. 46% say he knows how to create jobs, 31% say clinton and he has an 11 point lead and will best combat terrorism. he's ahead on who will reign on wall street. asked how they feel about the 2017 campaign, 30% of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of dissolutioned at 19%, pessimistic at 17% with only 16% optimistic. >> let me get al hunt really quickly. bloomberg commissioned this poll with purple slice, not just for previous anymore. tell us about the rust belt. that's where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. looks like hillary has a significant lead. >> these are voters trump needs to win the election they are working class rust belt voters,
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pennsylvania, wisconsin. if he's going to win -- the notion, conventional wisdom is that trump will do better than these voters than most republicans do and a lot better than mitt romney did. in this poll he's not. a lot has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. mika showed some of his negatives. let me give one more, which will be telling. we asked who would be a better role model for your children and who would you want in your home. she's not popular but she clobbers him on these issues. people don't think he would be a role model for their children. they don't think they want him in their home. that's particularly true of women. joe, i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. the pollster who did this, doug usher said, a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. if he can't change that, i think he's going to have a hard time
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turning these voters around. >> donald trump is politically he's playing -- he wants to get up to 10,000 seat arena. he's basically playing a gig where he hits 2500 really intense fans. they come out and they scream every night and they think he's the greatest indy band in the world, but he wants to get to the hockey arenas, wants to play to the 10,000 crowds. but he can't ever discipline himself and be arcade fire and make that jump. he's just going to keep playing for the 2500, because the addiction of the screaming -- look at it. he loves it so much, he's not going to actually risk what it takes to actually stop the same routine, to expand his base, to stop the screaming, to stop calling hillary clinton a low
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life. what were some of the other insults last night. to stop all the insults. by the way, mitt romney, the last weekend i've talked about this before, romney people were calling me saying we're going to win this. we're in pennsylvania, we have 35,000 people. they are going crazy. they are screaming. they are out of their mind crazy. bernie has big crowds in california. let's see how that goes. >> joe, we were talking during the break about the addiction. most of his ridiculous comments come when he's feeding off the crowd as a drug. i think even when he starts the speech and he's not intending, i think he gets caught up on that drug. al brought up an interesting thing, it's the first time i've heard it and i've always felt this way. it's the role model thing. the parents you get in there at the end of the day and close that curtain. if donald trump is elected there will be a cultural shift -- forget political shift, cultural shift on what's acceptable behavior in school yards and
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schools. >> bill clinton did in the '90s. >> just like bill clinton did in the '90s in a negative way. >> on a very tough day for the clinton campaign with the state department revelations, e-mail stuff, the one bright spot in her day could well be, and al alluded to this, the result does donald trump have the right temperament to be president. it's a resounding 49% to 22%. hillary clinton has the right temperament as opposed to donald trump. do you want donald trump in your living room every day for the next four years. >> al, one of the great quotes of fdr, second rate intellect but first rate temperament. a lot of people probably would have said the same thing about ronald reagan. temperament makes all the difference in the world when you're sitting behind that desk. right now most americans have judged donald trump to have a third or fourth rate temperament. and his people close to him are pushing him to select newt gingrich, another very bright
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man with a third rate temperament to be his vice president. >> joe, i'm cheering that. the family value party with six marriages on the ticket, you can't top that. you're absolutely right about the temperament. americans often, not always, but often, vote for the presidential candidate that they find most personally appealing. i think if we look at our last 10 or 12 elections most of the time that's happened. people don't find hillary clinton personally appealing. they find donald trump even less appealing. that's what he has to address now. these four states, and i think jim can address that, he's got to compete and win a couple of these states. pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, wisconsin. if he should lose all four of those states, it's almost impossible for him to get to 270. >> all right. must-read opinion pages are ahead. we're back in just a moment.
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>> i asked bernie sanders because he's going to be here tomorrow to ask a question. have you met bernie in have you met before. >> i've never really had the privilege. >> here is the question from bernie. he asked hillary clinton backed out of an agreement to debate me in california before the june 7th primary. are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the california primary, yes or no. >> yes i am. how much is he going to pay me. >> trump says he would take the money an give it to charity. the response from sanders, swift. game on. i look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. >> wow, all right. that will be fun. >> you wonder why they both would do it and you think about it and you can see it. >> it would be huge.
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>> washington bureau chief here to reveal this week's cover story. how far will bernie go? his unlikely crusade became a genuine campaign. now sanders faces a choice and a test. msnbc's thomas roberts also joins the table. how far will he go? michael, go ahead, tell us. >> farther than you probably thought before is the answer. this is a guy if you talked to him before he announced his campaign was incredibly focused on issues, elevating the conversation. if you talk to him now, he's incredibly angry. he's been personally affected by some of the shots clinton has taken at him. he also sees himself closer than ever before to his life's work, which is elevating this ideological crusade. his message never changed since he was 22 years old. now he's getting these giant crowds and he's not going to back down. the thing to remember about bernie sanders, he's never been
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a democrat. his interests have never been with the democratic party. it's a very different calculation than for hillary clinton in 2008. she was furious at barack obama but had an allegiance to the party he doesn't have. >> he's not. he's an independent. i'm not saying that as a negative. >> look at his voting record. >> right. but he's not a member of the democratic party. i'm not being snippy. it's like saying i live in connecticut. he is not a democrat. >> look at his voting record. >> he's not a democrat. >> not a registered democrat. >> records don't matter. thomas. records don't matter. donald trump has no record, he says whatever he wants. clinton makes up things about her e-mails. >> the reality is he's not a democrat. >> he's voted with the democrats 99% of the time. >> his loyalty, though -- >> just letting you know. >> loyalty goes to the issues first. >> of democrats. >> and then the democratic party
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like second, third, or fourth, which causes the problem. it's the same thing with donald trump. donald trump belatedly became a republican. his loyalty is not to the republican party. his loyalty is to donald trump. >> perhaps bernie sanders loyalty to the party would be different if the party was actually fair to him. >> and if he were actually a democrat. a new poll showing -- >> a dead heat in california. public policy institute of california out with clinton at 46%, sanders at 44%, much closer, margin of error of about 5%. to mika's point he's definitely demonstrated a lean toward democratic policies but he is the ultimate outsider that wants to be the ultimate insider now of democratic party policy. >> michael, talk about the friction between bernie sanders and the democratic party.
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we talked about one thing he's been an independent. secondly a concern the party voiced time and time again. he's not going to have another run for president. this is it for him and he knows it. >> that's right. i think to mika's point he hasn't been treated fairly by democratic national committee. i don't think any objective observer would argue debbie wasserman schultz has been. over the weekend he rattled off with great fury and excitability all the way he's been wronged by the clinton campaign. he called david brock the scum of the earth. he mentioned nra attacks, the auto bailout. this is a guy who has always been a fighter. he's hit back at clinton pretty hard but he has a clear sense of fair play. another thing is he's building a
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movement. knot nothing builds a movement like outrage. >> you say he hasn't been getting treated fairly by the party i'm getting pushback especially by hillary clinton supporters saying that's not true. on what basis do you make that claim? >> i think the most obvious was the way the debates were from the beginning. it wasn't an anti-bernie decision. the decision made early on to deemphasize democratic debates far beyond where they had been in the past in a way that clearly for the nominee. >> they said the same as 2008. they say that's not true. >> i don't think that is true. i think there were more debates in 2008 than there were this time. they scheduled later debate after the initial round. but the original schedule for the debates that debbie wasserman schultz put in that were not going to be extended because they assumed that hillary clinton would do better than she did in iowa and new hampshire was less than in 2008. >> they put in more debates, mike, and they put it at
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horrible times. they put in more debates after hillary clinton needed more debates because it was tighter than they expected. >> yeah. but the original debates as michael pointed out, talking with bernie sanders, at midnight on new year's eve, stuff like that. michael, in your time spent with senator sanders this weekend, does his legitimate anger against the dnc and his anger towards the clintons and the campaign being waged against him, did you get the sense it has blinded him to the reality that he is really hurt hrk's campaign and intends to hurt her more going forward right up until the convention? is that his plan? >> i think that's the most interesting question here. he still maintains and deeply believes donald trump, even though he debates next week and brings in lots of ratings will be an incredible step back for the country and a danger for the country. he's taking a risk. he's not admitting this risk, not discussing this risk.
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it's clear he knows there's a risk here. i think his calculation is that at least for the next couple of months leading into the convention to step back and not take that risk would be a bigger mistake. i think there is a clear danger. what we're talking about is the 10 to 20 to 30% of his voters who like him are not democrats. these are people who didn't vote for barack obama, didn't identify with the party, don't like hillary clinton and hillary clinton needs in the general election against donald trump. we spoke to waitresses at cheesecake factories who were furious. go to bernie rallies now people scream epithets at the crowd and say bernie or bust. >> it's gotten really rough. let me ask about reporting, terry mcauliffe, federal investigations being launched of corruption situation, campaign funds what do you have? >> so i reported last night that
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the chinese businessman named by cnn as the person whose contributions ar target of investigation by the fbi met with governor mcauliffe and hillary clinton at hillary clinton's house in september 2013. this was a fundraiser she held there. there's a big contribution to mcauliffe's campaign shortly before that meeting. shortly after the mega very large contribution, the first of several to the clinton foundation. this is news worthy because mcauliffe earlier this week came out and argued he never met wong, had nothing to do with the clintons. at times clinton fundraising apparatus and mcauliffe fundraising apparatus in 2013 had a lot of overlaps. clinton was traveling the world raising money for the foundation and her and her husband were doing a lot to help terry mcauliffe in his governor's bid. >> terry mcauliffe said he never
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met this man before. >> what he said was i don't remember if i've ever met him. the following day when the aides came to him and said, actually several meetings, one in richmond after you became governor. he clarified that and said i still wouldn't know the guy if i sat next to him. >> despite the fact he actually took this man to hillary clinton. >> the most high-profile fundraiser mcauliffe had in 2013 was the event at hillary's house in washington, d.c. a lot of fundraisers had at hillary's house. mr. wong was one of the people who attended that fundraiser. >> all right. new issue of "time" magazine out. michael scherrer, thank you so much. >> thank you for doing "way too early". >> incredible job. >> it's fun. >> see you tomorrow on "way too early" still to come one top trump staffer leaves at weeks on the job.
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coming up hillary clinton's own state department issues a scathing report about her use of private e-mail. chuck todd on what this means to the race. did donald trump criticizes martinez in her home state? republicans flock to her defense. what that says about trump's relationship to the party. >> that will be fun. >> look forward to talking to her. >> we're back in a moment. thanks man.
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>> he can't run. he choked like a dog. he's a choker. once a choker, always a choker. he walks like a penguin, like a penguin. >> what are you talking about? it's presidential. >> what? >> he made that pivot. >> sometimes i don't quite -- i give him credit, that's unusual criticism. i'm going to mock mitt romney for walking like a penguin. >> chokes like a dog, walks like a penguin, i think that's what
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cassius clay said. >> welcome back. we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, branding and marketing expert donny deutsch and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. we still have one more person. >> al hunt is here. columnist. >> political reporter for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. >> good to see you guys. >> just saying. >> donny deutsch, you're the branding expert. what's donald trump doing here? >> donald trump is doubling down on what got him here. i have new words on his brand essence. i think benevolent bully. he's a bully. the ends justify the means, i'm going to fight for you. >> have you ever represented a suit that was popular in scranton but wanted to go nationwide. you had to describe to them, the
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taste of scranton are unique to the great people of scranton wilkes-barre. if you want to go across the state of pennsylvania and perhaps, i don't know, nationwide you may have to change your marketing. your marketing. >> two explanations, if you had an intelligent conversation with an eighth-grader they would get this. one, this is a type of kroi who lives in his own world. hey, it's working so far, don't tell me what to do. >> he doesn't listen to anybody. >> on the second one, on some insane level he doesn't want to be president. he's very clever, like him, don't like him. this is 101, the bar is so low. he doesn't have to be presidential, he just has to be ordinary. >> mike, you were saying before. have you a friend close to him that says he's scared to be
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president. he doesn't want to be president. i will say, he knows what he is doing actually will not help him in the general election right now. >> you think he knows that? >> yes, he knows that. he's a smart guy. >> he's a branding expert. >> is he a self-aware guy. >> he knows what to win. he went against 16 others in the republican party. no one said he could win. he knew exactly what to do. >> he was who he had to be, even though it conflicted what he was in the past. he used his brain for the primary and he's not doing the same for the general. he knows. he's -- >> on a day when you want hillary to lead the news cycle, the last thing you would be doing is put stupid comments out there. you would be like this so the lead story was hillary clinton.
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>> let it lead. >> chuck, it's hard to explain. >> the only logical explanation would be self-sabotage sometimes. i don't get -- why is he picking a fight with susana martinez. >> idiotic. >> basically is essentially right now doing the same thing paul ryan is doing. he didn't do this to paul ryan. paul ryan isn't on board yet. i have to say. >> put that story in front because it's such an interesting story. >> by the way. >> sounds very logical. we're going to put that next. >> if you find one -- we would have spent about six minutes on hillary. >> across america that checks off every single box of support that he needs to be president of the united states, it would be a hispanic female governor from a purple state who heads the
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republican governors association. >> you cannot -- there is no -- to go out of his way to insult her, this is somebody not only should he be hands off, he should be vetting her to be a running mate. he should be hoping she would want to be a running mate. >> when donald trump criticized republican governor susana martinez at her rally on tuesday night, the presumptive nominee's former primary rivals took notice and are speaking out. marco rubio tweeted yesterday, the truth is governor martinez is one of the hardest working and effective workers in america of jeb bush added, top, governor martinez is a leader of our party. wisconsin said conservative reforms in blue state won twice by president obama winning re-election by the largest margin by a republican in state history. and john kasich said, martinez is an outstanding governor brought conservative reform to a blue state. she's exactly who our party and
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nominees should be lifting up and supporting, not tearing down. house speaker paul ryan when asked about governor martinez said she cuts deficits, i think she's a good governor and i will leave it at that. yesterday martinez added her own thoughts and her own words while speaking with reporters. >> it's politics. it really is, it's just politics. avis prosecutor for many years. i've heard names been called a long time. it's not something that's going to affect me. >> one of the things that a lot of people are asking you is whether you're going to endorse trump. after last night can you give us a more definitive answer. >> i can tell you one thing, i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton. i can tell you i'm the same place i was before this event took place. we deserve to hear from a presidential candidate what they are going to do to deal with the issues that are facing new mexico. that was not discussed last night.
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>> psychology barring trump used for self-awareness, he is so in his mind above it all, there are no sacred cows. he does not have to kiss any -- >> that is his great strength, he has that no shame thing. >> he's not a politician. he doesn't care. guess what, if he wins, he wins, if he loses, it's fantastic. somebody very, very close to donald trump and the family said you have to remember with the family it's all about the last name. >> what does this do -- the susana martinez issue and mitt romney walking like a duck and choking like a duck, what does this do with paul ryan who indicates he's sort of -- >> that's what i wonder. can ryan -- i think if he
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endorses him, it oddly looks really weak. i think he's put himself in a box. i almost think he's put himself in a position of saying, you know, look, i'm the leader of the republican party and the house. i'm doing everything i can to re-elect a republican house. i will do whatever i can to help donald trump help senate candidates. you do everything and say, you know what, i'll worry about who i vote for later. >> al hunt, we've had a couple of republicans come on the show actually and say that they are supporting donald trump because they don't want hillary clinton to win. can paul ryan do that? is that enough? is that enough of an argument for support of trump? how does paul ryan get a spine like susana martinez does? >> when trump is tearing apart his former running mate, tearing apart ahead of governor's association, tearing apart a female hispanic who is winning new mexico for republicans by
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record numbers, how does paul ryan get behind somebody like that. >> there is that tone that bothers ryan deeply. don't forget, joe, they disagree on huge issues, trade, immigration, other things. paul ryan in the end i have no doubt will endorse donald trump. he will do it with a minimum of enthusiasm and then focus on re-electing his members. you know, that's okay, he passes a little bit of a threshold test on that. i think a number of republicans will do that, which then will give some voters an opportunity in the fall to say, hey, they are not really for trump, so i don't have to be either. i think he's making a big mistake as you all have said in insulting people and not wooing people right now. can you imagine hillary clinton blasting nancy pelosi now. that's what donald trump is doing. >> if i was managing paul ryan's brand, i think it's a win-win for him to not endorse for two
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reasons. if you really say to this guy, this guy wants to run in 2020, i think he's such an important factor if he does not support trump. no other republican sits where he sits, a gravitas. for him to make that statement, even if it causes hillary to win, if there ever was a one-term president it would be a 74-year-old hillary clinton. if i'm him, the leadership statement, what a leader would do say, you know what, i can't get behind -- >> let me get to bob costa who has been waiting here 12 minutes. bob, you've obviously been reporting following the trump campaign for some time. we know after wisconsin paul manafort came on was going to try to right the ship, try to make trump a little more controllable. trump pushed back against that. what's the state of deliberations inside the campaign now and what is probably the most chaotic week
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of the entire trump campaign? >> there's an expectation here in washington that trump is going to become more of a republican, but trump has never considered himself to be a partisan figure, someone who has to check certain boxes or build relationships within the party. he still sees himself as someone outside of the party, nonideological and someone whose core strategy is to saturate airwaves. when you ask why is he going after mitt romney or susana martinez, it's about staying at the fore of the conversation. they all have considerings to bring the party together. the man at the top, the candidate, he's still doing it his own way. >> according to your reporting and insight and the time you spent with the campaign, corey
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lewandowski, paul manafort, his children, does anybody have a stronghold on donald trump enough to say you're wrong, don't say this, shouldn't say it? does anybody have that kind of influence on him? >> in terms of those big picture conversations, i think it's the people in the business world he's close to who are not affiliated with the campaign, carl icahn, the investor, tom bear, these are the people he has candid phone conversations with. manafort has some cache by trump, not getting paid, doing it pro bono. there's a sense trump likes that about manafort, he's not just an employee. >> chuck. >> by the way, i'll be surprised if paul manafort doesn't make some money somehow off of this but i will set that aside. i want to go back to the ryan point a minute. i think ryan risks more now endorsing him than not endorsing him because he already owns the downside of not endorsing. even if he does an endorsement now, if trump loses a close
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race, there will be hand wringing if ryan had gotten on board earlier. or all these republicans didn't get on board. he already has the downside that comes with if you risk not being for trump. so at this point you might as well own the best possibility of the upside. i think. >> i don't know. >> big enough that if you don't endorse trump you become the titular head of the never trump conservative movement. the question is, if you do, that is that enough to have a wide coalition of big base in 2020. >> depends on what you want. if you want to run for president maybe not. if you want to stay speaker of the house, perhaps. >> maybe that's what -- >> there's an assumption people have that ryan want to run for president. i wouldn't be leaping to that conclusion. >> it's 15 past the hour. gosh, there's huge headlines
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about hillary clinton but they are superseded by other things, including donald trump calling mitt romney something like a penguin, "politico" reporting that trump is now requesting the republican national committee's on whitewater. there are all these things that have come out late yesterday that make us not get to the hillary story. that's the 197 on -- 1970s real estate investment. learned of trump's interest when intended to send an e-mail to staffer and responded to "politico" reporter mark caputo instead. >> a lot of people didn't understand whitewater back in the '90s. >> they are not going to understand it now. >> they understand it even less. >> i have to say i'm oddly looking forward to see how trump trashs it. is he going to hit them for doing an illegal real estate deal or what are you doing a bad real estate deal. he can go interesting
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directions. i looked at the whitewater deal. i was going to build a golf course on it. i have to say i'm weirdly looking forward to it. >> that's why we're talking about it. >> media madness, hillary clinton's worst day in the last six months, worst day of the campaign. >> was yesterday. >> marketing and branding expert. >> all he had to do was be quiet yesterday or if anything focus all his vitriol on -- >> still a bad day for hillary clinton. >> why take any light away. >> we've talked about it a lot, talk about it next block with andrea mitchell, talk about hillary clinton and ig report. she'll be reporting about tough rebuke inspector general's office gave hillary clinton and e-mail server. you're watching "morning joe." we shall continue.
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twenty past the hour, inspector general's office issued a report that concluded hillary clinton violated federal records act by not turning over
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all official e-mails before she left office. the report found no evidence she requested or received approval for use her e-mail account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully aboveboard. it was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department but wasn't the best choice. i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> you said it was allowed. >> yes, it was. >> who allowed it? >> it was allowed under the rules of the state department. again -- >> nobody signed off on it. >> no, no. it was allowed. one of my predecessors did the same thing. others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department. but at the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. >> well, you know, as i have said many times, there was -- that was absolutely perm lly pe.
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i did it. it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> two state department officials raised concerns about clinton's exclusive use of a private e-mail server. a senior official in clinton's office told them the matter was not to be discussed any further. he instructed them to, quote, never speak of secretary's personal e-mail system again. according to a new yahoo! report a congressional staffer involved in one of the clinton e-mail investigations identified clinton senior officials as a retired department official questioned by the house benghazi committee and said he had no memory or knowledge of the issues he was being asked about and declined a further request to be identified by senate judiciary committee. clinton campaign released a statement about the ig report which read in part this. the inspector general's documents showed just how
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consistent her e-mail practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials at the state department who also used personal e-mail. >> even the statement is not accurate. >> i know. joining us now national correspondent for bloomberg business week and political columnist for boston globe joshua green. in san jose, california, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports. andrea mitchell, thanks for getting up early for us. >> you bet. >> first interview showed was one you did with her and she says time and time and time again it was allowed. was it allowed? >> it was not allowed to not return those records before she left the state department. she violated the official records act according to her own state department ig appointed by president obama. what you have shown just now, mika, is completely undercuts the argument she's been making for more than a year just as
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she's trying to persuade voters she's untrustworthy. i think the most surprising and shocking thing is their reaction, claiming this is the same as what former secretaries did, comparison to colin powell. the facts are colin powell was the first secretary of state to ever use e-mail. he used it specifically to try to launch the state department into the new century and get people to communicate by e-mail. he was using it by example. he did use personal e-mails. he dental separate them, but it was a completely aboveboard -- everybody in the state department knew what he was doing. it was not, in fact, violating a rule put in place under clinton, not after she left. it was put in place under clinton and she was warned before hand of decades of this records act that prohibits you to leave the state department and leave any agency and not turn over your records. so there are so many flaws in their argument.
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the politics, we'll have to see how that plays out. i don't see how this is anything but devastating given the fact they have been making a completely different argument now for more than a year. >> yeah. the clinton campaign, josh, has long maintained the server was never breached. the report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down after concern of an attack. tells of an incident in 2011 when secretary clinton was concerned someone was, quote, hacking into her e-mail after getting more than one e-mail with a suspicious link. you know, when you get those, you get worried. according to the report, security officials should be notified even when a personal device is feared compromised. according to the report inspector general found no evidence that the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. there's so much here that's fair to say how can she remember. >> this the whole problem, the reason you have protocols in government servers, so you don't expose e-mails. >> she said it was allowed, it
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was allowed, it was allowed, it was allowed. does she not remember any of this? are we supposed to believe that? >> i suppose we are supposed to believe it. i'm not sure a lot of people do. >> do they care? >> yeah, i think this was a serious issue. this is a big if. if you were to remove donald trump from the equation right now, this is the story that would be roiling the 2016 presidential election. >> chuck. >> more than that, it would be fueling more hand wringing in the democratic party. the only reason there's not panic on the democratic side is because of trump. i was thinking about this this morning, because of this breach, she could -- i don't think she could be confirmed to be attorney general. you know whey mean, this is what i mean, their basic defense here -- i'm with andrea in how it's sort of -- you pull muscles here trying to watch them spin this. basically, there wasn't a specific law that told us we couldn't do it, so sounds like
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al gore, there's no controlling legal authority. >> andrea, here are the things that like over time we remember here. her saying repeatedly it was allowed. a private server set up in her home by an i.t. guy who was given immunity and his e-mails are missing. she even joked when she was asked, i think in a high school gym, did you wipe the server, meaning get rid of everything so no one could see it and she joked about it being with a cloth. i really don't want to be the one delivering this, but i've got to tell you, this is really hard to believe. it feels like she's lying straight out. andrea mitchell, is she lying? >> i can't say that. i would let the viewer, the voter make those determinations, but it doesn't hold up. there are so many inconsistencies including their
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response yesterday. as chuck said, it was jaw dropping they tried -- instead of coming out and saying, look, it was a mistake, as she has previously acknowledged, it was bad judgment, and we don't know whether or not it was hacked. we know there were attempts to penetrate. there's no evidence in this report that that penetration -- that that actually happened. you can't prove a negative. they should have just come out arguably and said, this is a mess and we're going to try to move on. instead they are fighting it and coming out with a completely noncredible argument on her behalf. it also makes her defensive and makes her run from reporters and not want to do interviews and not want to talk to people covering her events all day yesterday. so she's hunkered down now at a key point here. yeah, she's going to get the delegates but the point is she wanted to win california. she wanted to win on a high. bernie sanders is giving her a
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huge challenge out here. i can tell you from just looking at the campaign this week. >> the point andrea just raised about reporters. one of the more damming components of the inspector general's report is when he declares in the report that secretary clinton declined the opportunity in a request to be interviewed. when madeleine albright, colin powell, everybody else, john kerry, they were interviewed. what do you figure given the spin on this today, they didn't address the interview. what do they do now? >> look, clearly their decision is to never give an inch, which is the clinton playbook going back to 1992. it's worked for them in the past. they just grind their way through it. i've always looked at this, what's the most logical explanation? the most logical explanation she wanted to make it harder for the press and congress to see her correspondence, so they made
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foia requests more difficult by doing what, making sure it was on a government server putting on a private server. that's the part of this -- the idea of convenience i've never been able to accept that. what's convenient about having a server in your house. i hate dealing with wi-fi at my house, okay? it's a pain. why don't i have an i.t. guy at home. >> chuck, it's not something you forgot you did. it's not someone did or your husband set up for you or you forgot you did, your secretary, come on, everybody. >> like so many of these clinton scandals, it's impossible to imagine. >> andrea. >> one quick point. we now see new e-mails never turned over, revealed, that the ig found. what's that about? one of them has her writing to houma abedin, she'll go with another private device after one of the attempts -- after spamming and things were not
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being received, this was early on but she said we want to make sure the personal is not accessible. which is exactly to the point chuck was just making. >> nbc's andrea mitchell, thank you. chuck todd, thank you as well. josh green, stay with us. i'll be getting to your new cover story bloomberg about reince priebus or what the magazine calls hardest job in america. i don't know, i think democratic dnc chair is hard, too. in case you miss a moment, catch up with "morning joe" on our podcast. you can subscribe on itunes. "morning joe" is back in a moment. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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up next a vivid reminder of the high stakes in war and peace. we've got a powerful look back at harry truman's decision to strike japan with nuclear weapons as president obama visits the battle scarred spots 70 years later. >> bobby knight said, just like kerry, like truman, trump had the guts to drop the big one. >> bobby knight said that? >> said harry had the guts. i've been a forensic artist for over 30 years. i do the composite sketches which are the bad guy sketches. you need good resolution, powerful processor
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president obama is in japan taking part in annual g7 summit.
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he met with japan's prime minister along with britain, germany, canada. over the course of the two-day summit, the group is expected to discuss global economy, terrorism, and the refugee crisis. tomorrow he will visit hiroshima, the first by a sitting president to do that since that city and nagasaki were leveled by u.s. atomic bombs during world war ii. president harry truman made the decision to drop the bombs to force japan to surrender and end the war. it was history's first and only use of nuclear weapons and it was one of the most consequential and controversial decisions any president has ever made. brian williams has this report and we should warn our viewers, some of the images are graphic. >> reporter: just ten weeks after the defeat of nazi, germany, president truman toured the ruins of berlin.
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that day the atomic age began. this successful test of the first atomic bomb gave the president a powerful new weapon in the war against japan. truman was in berlin for a summit with great britain and the soviet union, the pots dam conference. it was here the president got the news of the successful test and where he reviewed the final list of proposed targets before giving the go ahead to drop the atomic bomb. truman saw the bomb as an alternative to a massive invasion of japan which was planned for that fall. the often suicidal determination of the japanese to keep fighting could have meant extremely heavy casualties on both sides. japan was given an ultimatum, surrender unconditionally or face destruction. japan refused. truman headed home across atlantic uss augusta. a b-29 bomber took off carrying
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a single bomb which it dropped over the city of hiroshima at 8:15 in the morning on august 6th, 1945. >> it is an atomic bomb, the first from which the sun draws its power has been loosed against those who brought war to the far east. >> more than 80,000 people were killed, tens of thousands were horribly burned and poisoned with radiation. the president again warned japan surrender or face what he called a rain of ruin. there was no reapply, so another atomic bomb was dropped on japan. this time on nagasaki. more than 40,000 people died there. many more were injured. finally japan gave up. i deem this reapply a full acceptance of the declaration which specifies the unconditional surrender of japan. >> reporter: the war was over and harry s. truman had not
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hesitated in using atomic bombs to end it, a decision he stood by for the rest of his life. >> i made that decision in the conviction it would save hundreds of thousands of lives, japanese as well as americans. >> the dropping of the atom bomb was the only sensible thing to do. it was the only thing to do. >> reporter: truman lived to see other nations develop atomic weapons. he saw the birth of the hydrogen bomb, far more powerful than the bombs dropped on japan. he watched the world come to the brink of the war during cuban missile crisis them stepped back with treaties to end nuclear weapons signed under presidents kennedy, johnson, nixon. what did not happen again in truman's lifetime or all the years since is another use of atomic weapons by anyone. the city of hiroshima devastated years ago is thriving today, so
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is nagasaki. the planes that bombed those cities are now museum pieces. while the cold war may be history, it's been replaced by fears of nuclear rogue states and terrorism. in the new mexico desert, a simple monument marks the spot where the atomic age began and harry truman, he lived to the age of 88 and went to his grave certain he had done the right thing. >> that bomb caused the japanese to surrender and stopped the the war. i don't care what the cry babies say now because they didn't have to make the decision. >> mike barnicle, you knew the gentleman who actually flew on both missions, hiroshima and nagasaki. >> the only american to fly both missions. he flew back up, used the pilot boxcar, flew back up to drop the initial bomb on hiroshima and a few days later charlie sweeney
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flew boxcar over nagasaki and dropped the second of only two bombs they had on nagasaki. >> any regrets? >> general sweeney had no regrets until the day he died. he felt he did the right thing as outlined in the piece, the indication that the united states would suffer enormous casualties and the japanese would suffer even more casualties. >> let's bring right now from washington presidential historian author and nbc news contributor. michael, as i and you and others have been reading the history through the years of what unfolded in '44 and '45 in the later stages of the pacific and atlantic campaigns, it seems to me that there are moral justifications for hiroshima and nagasaki as far as the saving of lives perhaps even more so than the firebombing of dresden, against a country in the final throes of fighting against the
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allies. >> you know, i think that's a perfect argument. you know, in the same way there was a huge, as you know, firebombing of tokyo in the spring of 1945. hundreds of thousands of casualties. even that didn't bring japan to its knees. you're truman and presented with a weapon that has a chance to end the war quickly and avoid the huge american invasion that could cause upwards 250,000 americans dead, 250,000 japanese dead, very few presidents would not have done that. >> has there been -- have there been any revisionists of any stature that have argued in the intervening 70 -- what, 75 years or so that truman could have gone another route? >> oh, sure. >> this argument that a million people would die in an invasion of japan. i know they have made the argument. but are there any arguments that
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stand up? >> none that persuade me, and i would guess none that would persuade you of the main argument they make is if truman had done the invasion, maybe there would have been fewer casualties and maybe japanese would have surrendered in a year or two. the other argument made was that truman's interior motive was not so much to end the war, although he was serious about that, but his ulterior motive was to intimidate soviets. he was so hell bent on fire off the weapons, basically to dominate the world after the war was over, that that was the reason. that doesn't do much for me. >> mike, you look at campaigns across the pachkros cross the p was, japanese were the fiercest of fighters. any suggestion they would have just rolled over when we went to their homeland seems absolutely
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ludicrous. >> island hopping, michael can attest to this with what he's done in his life as historian. iwojima, enormous casualties on both sides. toward the end of the war we still had kamikaze pilots attacking ships. the prospect, idea harry truman confronted with this decision, two bombs on two planes, they really don't know where either bomb, either nuclear bomb will work when they drop it. >> absolutely true. mike says it so well. the biggest proof maybe is that after this bomb was dropped on hiroshima, this horrible weapon, 70,000 plus japanese killed, even then the emperor did not surrender. that's the reason why truman had to do nagasaki. >> all right, michael, thank you
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so much for being with us. we always love having you here. twitter feed, the best. >> thank you. >> the pictures, incredible stuff he puts out. >> remember the 40th anniversary of nixon's resignation, he actually had outtakes of nixon. >> wasn't that something? >> that was one of the most -- whether you loved or hated nixon on a personal level, one of the most heartbreaking clips. >> michael, do you have all this stuff at home in your desk drawer and p whip it out several times a year. >> i've been doing these books for a long time and i've come across all this stuff. you can put maybe 12 pictures in a history book. finally i get to use all this stuff i love. >> that's fantastic. thank you, michael, we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you, joe. be well. >> just a note we're going to be covering president obama's historic visit to hiroshima tomorrow morning. still ahead this morning -- >> is there any place more fun to be than a trump rally?
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toughest job in america, being my co-host. second toughest job in america? we're about to find out from josh green. reince priebus and the remaking of the republican party. >> it looks at priebus has been the guy at the center of this five-year effort to modernize and reform the republican party. a kinder, more tolerant, more welcoming one. trump, i assume he's come in like a wrecking ball. >> also a more targeted one. learn from the mistakes of 2012. you say that trump is coming in like a wrecking ball and undercut five years of efforts. >> he's put the trump stamp on the republican party like he does on a trump building he aquires. trump said the gop ought to be a workers party. he wants to go in a different
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direction. >> what does the chairman of the republican party think about the fact he has a candidate running for president of the united states that he has absolutely no control over? >> i think if you dosed him with truth serum he'd tell you he's terrified. but his job as party chairman is to stick with it and he has to get his nominee elected. >> is their personal relationship such that he could call or would call donald trump today after the -- >> priebus told me they talk every day by phone. >> and the relationship is okay? >> they both claim it to be. trump even told me the nickname for mr. priebus. mr. switzerland. he's bringing the party together. >> so does priebus see trump as a threat to the senate majority? >> no, priebus is on message about these things and he thinks trump is bringing in a lot of
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new republican voters. he's got people excited. whether or not that's enough to win a national majority, there's some skepticism. but priebus claims the republican party is going to win more black, hispanic, asian voters under donald trump than they did under mitt romney. >> we shall see. a couple of wisconsin guys in a tough, tough spot. paul ryan and prince priebus. the joy of being reince. this morning the state department finally released their report on her use of a private e-mail server. they found she did not ask permission, and if she had, the answer would have been no, which is one of the top reasons not to ask permission, by the way. so here's the thing. here's the thing. even when you give hillary clinton a firm no, what she hears is, try again in eight years. much more on that report from the state department that
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contradict's hillary clinton's repeated claim that her personal e-mail server was okay and what about her campaign's claim it was never breached. we'll have reporting on that. and by the way, trump -- >> we had donald trump quoted when you showed the clip at the rally saying -- he clearly has never been to prohibition on columbus avenue to hear your band on a thursday night. >> it's huge. it's huge. >> they have to stop traffic. they have to reroute traffic. >> it is. we'll be there at 8:30 tonight. if you're in the area, come around. when we come back, we'll be talking about donald trump and his interesting reaction to hillary clinton and penguins when we return.
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in 2008, you said you thought hillary would make an excellent president. and in 2012 you said she was terrific. what did she do? >> let me just explain to you. i will tell you. when i'm a businessman, i had a beautiful story where they said trump is a world class businessman. all over the world we're doing jobs. i speak well of everybody. if people ask me about politicians, i speak well. when they asked me about hillary, she's wonderful. everybody is wonderful. and that's the way it is. including contributions. they asked me for contributions, i give contributions. >> so you were full of [ bleep ] when you said -- >> that's a way to look at it. good morning. it's thursday. you know what that means? may 26th. we'll tell you about that later. with us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnacle. you're back. where have you been? >> paris. >> that's kind of nice.
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co-founder of politico, jim vandahy. and then donny. we know where he's been. former advertising executive, donny deutsch. and washington columnist for bloomberg view, al hunt is with us. a lot to get to. >> big news today, obviously. on a lot of the front pages, hillary clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the e-mail server. there's the front page of "the new york times." also of course on the front page of "the wall street journal." that's the big news today. >> yeah. we'll start there. she was hoping to celebrate a big endorsement. that would be one of the united auto workers and their 400,000 members. that's pretty big. instead this report from the inspector general's office of the state department took the narrative in a very different
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direction. the report concluded she violated the federal records act by not turning over all official e-mails before she left office. the report also found there was no evident she had requested or received approval to use her personal account for official business. clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board. it was allowed by the state department, as they have confirmed. >> what i did was allowed by the state department, but it wasn't the best choice. and i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> you've said it was allowed? >> yes, it was. >> who allowed it? >> it was allowed under the rules of the state department, and again -- >> so nobody signed off on it? >> no it was allowed. one of my predecessors did the same thing. others in our government have done the same thing at very high levels because the rules did change after i left the state department, but at the time and in prior years, the rules
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allowed it. >> well, you know, as i have said many times, there was -- that was absolutely permitted, and i did it, and it turned out to be a mistake. it wasn't the best choice. >> jim, first of all, i mean, we said all along around this table the state department didn't allow this because people inside the state department at the highest reaches of the state department saying she never asked anybody. this was never allowed. they kept saying it day in and day out. "the new york times" talks about, in this article, a candidate's negative controversy and the voters fading trust. here we have donald trump who obviously on a lot of key issues changes with the wind. and is accused of not honest and trustworthy. his numbers are horrific, just as bad as hillary clinton, and yet this is another nail in that coffin of voters' trust. >> no doubt. even watching those clips, i
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don't think people think she's telling the truth. she looks like she's trying to convince herself. it is devastating and she says it was authorized. it was okay. it's not a big deal. the report says, no, no, no, you're wrong, you're youwrong. this is her state department. she ran the state department. it's the ig in her department that is making this determination. so i do think you have two candidates who, what, 60% of people think are dishonest and if you look at this weak of a campaign, it shows you everything you need to know about the next three months. it's going to be gross. a battle of negativity. >> the clinton campaign has long maintained the server was never breached but the report tells of one incident when an adviser shut it down over concern it was under attack n the footnotes tell of an incident where hillary clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her enail after getting more than one e-mail with a suspicious link. according to the report, security officials should be
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notified even when a personal device is feared compromise. but according to the report, they found no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. >> and that, donny, this goes to national security, obviously. the biggest concern is national security. a lot of people act like there's much ado about nothing here. there's a lot of classified documents, a lot of classified materials going through the server. and the great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. >> not a knife to the heart but a very deep flesh wound. for hillary, this is right on brand. in the advertising business we have a brand positioning statement, brand support points. if her brand is untrustworthiness, this is one more peel in there. the interesting thing to think about is how would donald trump -- this election is going to be, you called it groes.
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i'll call it counterpunching. how would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. he'd be saying, e-mails. me, colin powell, this is what we did. look at hillary clinton, she killed vince foster. that's what would be happening there. hillary has no way of counterpunching. the difference is whereas trump, no matter what you throw at him, he's got the counterpunch. no matter what you throw at hillary, she never has a way of swatting it back. it's not devastate, but in this election if the game is to make trump seem more presidential n less temperamentally unstable, you can start to move that needle. i don't know how you move the untrustworthy needle. >> here's the problem, mike barnacle. trump lies about trump steak success. he lies about the success of some of his business ventures. he flip flops on issues, where he was a reality show host when he took those positions.
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and it seems like it's, you know, down here. with hillary clinton, you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified e-mails, classified information and 22 e-mails at the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on america's national security. that's -- when we're talking about honest and trustworthy, i don't know that she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. >> we've just been talking about the top of this story. the headlines of this story. the lead of this story. within the report, there's other devastating issues. the fact that she declined repeatedly the inspector general's request for an interview when every other former secretary, madeleine albright, colin powell, john
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kerry, all were -- >> it goes to that secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. >> in june 2011, the secretary of state sent out a cable to all koups lor n diplomatic posts urging them to stop using home e-mail for anything having to do with state department business. and yet she did not follow that edict. a cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. >> when she says it was allowed -- >> she never asked for permission. the inspector general stated she never asked for permission to use a personal e-mail. and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. >> trump is salivating at, he doesn't only have lying hillary. he's got incompetent hillary, dangerous hillary. she's dangerous. she can't be the president. >> he's kngot entitled hillary. >> he's got ten new words for
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her. by the time this is done it will seem she sent directly to puttin e-mails she wasn't supposed to, and that's what they'll do. >> what this could really mean, i don't know how the public reacts whether they just say, oh, well and turn the page. but it adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons. and that's a huge burden for her to carry. >> you know, a lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and in papers and on tv have been saying this isn't going to have a big impact. al hunt, this isn't going to have a big impact on hillary's numbers. who cares about the e-mails? what we've always believed, and i think what we've seen is that you go to the subset question of honest and trustworthy. that 4 hit has had a devastatin impact. hillary clinton was a woman with an approval around 65%, 66% when
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she left the state department. her numbers have plummeted. and in large part, i've got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. and again, it's not from breitbart, it's not from drudge. this started with "the new york times," and here we have hillary clinton's own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these e-mails. >> and, joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for taking her from a 60% approval down to a 30% approval. i think it is -- it really is serious, and it raises another question. what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have? why didn't someone say, i'm sorry, madam secretary, you cannot do this. she should not have done it, but she should have had people around her who instead of saying that, were enablers. that raises questions about who she surrounds herself with. i think it really hurts. i agree with everything that's been said. she broke the rules. that's really bad. the really big issue here is did
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she break the law? and that will be determined in the next couple of weeks. if that should happen, which i suspect it -- that they will rule she didn't, joe, but i don't know. if that should happen, it would be lethal. >> let's go through some of the details a little troubling and definitely conflict with what she's said before. the clinton campaign released a statement. the inspector general documents just how consistent her e-mail practices were with those other secretaries and senior officials at the state department and also used personal e-mail. >> even that's not accurate. >> nobody reading it thinks it's accurate? they keep digging a hole. >> remember where the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s were, government oversight committee, they'd bring people in like bernie nusbaum who would lie to us. in a lot of these hearings, the people in the podium would be
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laughing because they knew they would be lying. bernie nusbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. everybody in the crowd would be laughing because they knew they were lying. they'd tell fantastical tales that everybody knew was not true. i said i couldn't believe i was watching. but it happened week in and week out. i don't understand why you put out a statement like that. stop digging. stop digging. i screwed up. i'm terribly sorry. i hope the american people will forgive me and i hope they will let us move on to the issues that matter. stop lying. stop digging. >> so just for this, then we'll get into the details. a spokesman for bernie sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. and donald trump, well, he relished the story on the campaign trail. >> she had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down that weren't so good. but -- not so good.
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the inspector general's report. not good. but i want to run against hillary. it could be we're going to run against crazy bernie. could be. crazy bernie. he's a crazy man, but that's okay. we like crazy people. and i hear they want to put biden in. i hear they're going to slip joe biden in, and he's going to take bernie's place. >> mika, a typically churchillian response to the inspector general's report. what we've come to expect of mr. trump. >> i think he was tame there, to tell you the truth. >> you have to watch the rest of it. >> crazy bernie. >> he likes crazy guys. crazy guys are okay. >> i'm just saying. >> joining us from capitol hill, politico's rachel bay who has been reporting on the developments surrounding hillary clinton's e-mail server. rachel in your article, you highlight this particular exchange. it dates back to november of
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2010 when some of secretary clinton's e-mails to department employees were not being received. now according to the inspector general, the clinton was urged to use state e-mail or to release or e-mail address to the department. clinton responded write, quote, let's get separate address or device, because i don't want any risk of the personal being accessible. what do you think is the significance of that exchange? >> there's two things that are significant about that exchange. the first one being this is an e-mail that we haven't seen before. where has it been this whole time? does the state department have it and they just didn't release it or did clinton not turn it over? it was an exchange between her top adviser, one of her closest advisers, huma abedin and her. it speaks to contradicting information the campaign has given saying she used this personal e-mail server for convenience. here her response basically is
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she's worried about privacy issues. she doesn't mention anything about convenience. there's another item in the story that i highlight that i think really speaks again to contradicting information. clinton has said all along that there's been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got a hold of now classified information. it turns out that one of bill clinton's closest staffers who set up the server n set up her e-ma e-mail, e-mailed huma abedin anded so, listen, we're getting hacked. i need to shut down the server. it happen twice in one day. and abedin reached out to her chief of staff cheryl mills, jake sullivan, one of her top policy advisers and said, listen, because we're getting hacked, don't send any, quote, sensitive information to the secretary. >> politico's rachel bay, thank you. still ahead, senator claire mccaskill joins us. plus is there fools gold in
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pennsylvania once again for republicans? >> let's walk together. we're taking back america. we're going to keep america the hope of the earth withior help, pennsylvania. we love you. thank you so much. great to be with you. thank you. >> mitt romney learned the hard way -- >> look at that crowd. that was that crowd i was talking about. >> spending valuable time and money there in november 2012. new polling shows the rust belt could be a reach for donald trump. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. owen! hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something. it's your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. that's weird. you want to work for ge too. hahaha, what? well we're always looking for developers who are up for big world changing challenges like making planes, trains and hospitals run better. why don't you check your new watch and tell me what time i should be there. oh, i don't hire people. i'm a developer. i'm gonna need monday off. again, not my call.
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they are paying very close attention to this election. i think it's fair to say that they are surprised by the republican nominee. they are not sure how seriously
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to take some of his pronouncements, but they're rattled by him. and for good reason because a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of actually thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> barack obama speaking of donald trump and also speaking of himself. foreign leaders rattled by donald trump. they have been rattled by barack obama over the past eight years. >> speaking from the g7 summit about world leaders concern about donald trump,. we do have new numbers on the
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2016 race, the second in a series of polls from bloomberg politics and purple slice looking at -- >> great soft drink. i love purple slice. >> it will play a major role in determining the election. in polls, the states of michigan, ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin, hillary clinton leads with 46% over donald trump at 39%. and like the rest of the country, both trump and clinton are deeply unpopular with trump holding a negative rating 30 poi points. 35% say they are not open to a third party candidate. rust belt earners on questions -- they like clinton on questions of foreign policy and fighting for the middle class. she has a nearly 2 to 1 average over trump on temperament.
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49% to 22%. and more find her ready to lead on day one, 46% to 32% for trump. but these americans believe trump will be better for making change in washington. 46% say he knows how to create jobs. 31% say clinton. and he has an 11-point lead on who will best combat terrorism. and he is ahead on who will rein in wall street. in all, asked how they feel about the 2016 campaign, 31% of rust belt middle income voters say they are afraid, far ahead of disillusioned at 19%, pessimistic at 17% with only 16% saying optimistic. >> let me get al hunt, bloomberg commissioned this poll along with purple slice. it's not just for breakfast anymore. tell us about the rust belt. that's where donald trump is supposed to be strongest right now. it looks like hillary still has a significant lead.
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>> these are voters trump needs to win the election. they are working class, rust belt voters. pennsylvania, michigan, ohio and jim's state of wisconsin. if he's going to win, n the notion, the conjoental wisdom had been that trump is going to do better among these voters than most republicans do and better than mitt romney did. in this poll, he's not. and i think a lot of it has to do with his negatives rather than feeling good about her. mika showed some of his negatives. let me give you one more which may be telling. we asked, who would be a better role model for your children, and who would you want in your home. she's not popular, but she clobbers him on those issues. people don't think he would be a role model for their children. they don't think they want him in their home. and that's particularly true of women. and i think it goes to what you said earlier about his tone. the pollster that did this, doug
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usher, said a lot of dislike of donald trump among these voters has to do with his tone and temperament. if he can't change that, he's going to have a hard time turning these voters around. coming up, what's the future of one of the top democrats in the country. with high-profile democratic senators declining to defend bebie wasserman schultz, is a top clinton ally in jeopardy? we'll ask senator claire mccaskill next.
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when donald trump talks about the economy, he is talking about trickle down on steroids. he has put forth an economic plan that is by a billionaire for billionaires. and it is going to hurt a lot of people. he doesn't seem to actually care about making america great so much as he seems to care about making himself look great. i want you to know that donald trump actually rooted for the housing crash that cost 5 million families their homes. we called him out on it yesterday using his own words. and you know what he said in response? well, he bragged about what he
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did. he said and i'm quoting now, that's the kind of thinking our country needs. he said profiting off working people losing their homes would be a, quote, good result. so a good result in donald trump's world is he gets his and you get hurt. >> that was hillary clinton focusing on donald trump on the trail yesterday mocking his tax plan, his comments on the mortgage crisis and much, much more. former president bill clinton was also on the trail as well campaigning hard for his wife in new mexico. and taking the fight to republicans in congress just like the old days. >> i feel sorry for the republicans in congress. really. no, no, no. how would you like to get up every day and go into the bathroom, throw water on your face, look in the mirror and go,
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oh, goody, i can go waste another day of my disappearing life making sure nothing good happens for anybody. because i have to prove that government is a failure always. that's crazy. there's not a successful country on earth that doesn't have a strong thriving economy and a good government working together to help people live together, be productive together and go together. >> while bill clinton was crying crocodile tears for republicans in congress in his unique view of how things work there, democrats on the hill are under pressure also regarding the future of debbie wasserman schultz. politico reports senator chuck schumer refused to comment on whether she should stay in charge of the dncn senator patty murray said that's not up to me. let's talk to claire mccaskill who is supporting hillary clinton for president. and we still have josh green at the table and mike barnacle. so much to talk about, claire.
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why don't we start where we finished on that read with d debbie wasserman schultz. many think it would be best for her to step down before the convention to make peace with bernie. >> nobody is calling on debbie wasserman schultz to step down. but debbie has to make a decision going forward. we have to focus on how we unite and defeat donald trump. and fair or unfair, she is to many of the bernie supporters somebody that really gets them riled up. now we can argue about why that is or if it's fair that that's the case, but this ultimately will be up to debbie. i don't think anybody is trying to move debbie out. but i think we all need to figure out how to get along. we need to land this plane. >> doesn't it make sense to have another pilot land the plane when bernie sanders is so personally angered by the way she's run the dnc. whether it's fair or not fair, for the purposes of democratic
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un unity, wouldn't it be better to have a place holder put in there? >> i'm going to leave that to people at much higher level than i am. i think that's going to be a lot of talk back and forth between bernie and his campaign and hillary clinton and her campaign. and i think all of this will get worked out. i'm confident it will all get worked out. we can't have a reality tv star that has no concept of public policy step foot in the oval office. he cannot have the nuclear codes. >> a lead story for the times and i'm sure newspapers all over missouri had to do with. the state department inspector general finding fault with hillary clinton on e-mails. and there is a story on 8/14 talking about a candidate's nagging controversy and the voters' fading trust. she and donald trump have extraordinarily low numbers when it comes to being honest and trustworthy. does this make hillary clinton's
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case more difficult moving forward? >> well, listen, i think the american people are going to have to decide, is a candidate's mistake trying to protect her privacy more of a problem than a president who goes on national radio shows and for hours gives us a play-by-play of his sex life with his now wife and objectifies having sex with black women and talks in the most vulgar terms about women and frankly on the campaign is vulgar. is somebody who made a mistake protecting their privacy more of a problem than somebody who commits fraud to make money. >> are you concerned about what hillary clinton did? are you concerned by the findings in the ig report? >> i, obviously, it's not great, but there is some context here. you know, colin powell was the former national security adviser. he was the former joint chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he used personal e-mail while he was at the state department.
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clearly he did not believe it was a security risk. >> the rules changed, though, senator, and you know that. >> the issue is a security -- if the security is an issue, and the other thing to remember is this report, the ig -- this ig report wasn't about classified material. it was about record keeping. and colin powell never turned in his e-mails and hillary clinton turned in all of hers. so i do think there is some context here. she's admitted this was a mistake. i think we need to realize she wasn't trying to undermine the united states of america. she was trying to protect her privacy. >> senator, i don't want to get into the weeds but she did not release all of her e-mails. in any event, moving on to another aspect of the report, when she was secretary of state, she declined, refused the opportunity and request of the inspector general to be interviewed about this when colin powell, condoleezza rice, madeleine albright and john kerry all exceeded to the
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interview and were interviewed. so if you were involved in her campaign, you are to a certain extent, the statement that the campaign released was really a rehash of her past statements and didn't address some of the damaging specifics in the report. what would you advise her to do today about that one question, why did you refuse to be interviewed? what would you advise her to say? >> i probably, if i were advising her, i would say, i have sat down for 11 hours in front of my most ardent enemies to answer every question they've asked me about anything and i'm looking forward to sitting down with the fbi, which, frankly, if there's something you'd want to avoid, it would probably be talking to the fbi, not the inspector general which is just looking into record keeping. so the fact that she keeps saying, i will sit down with the fbi, it shows this isn't somebody trying to hide something. >> she has not been able to put this scandal behind her.
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she's tried out various lines, joking about it, testifying before the committee, putting out statements. now she's refusing to answer reporters' questions. what can she do to definitively put this behind her once and for all? and if she doesn't, do you think this threatens democrats' chances of maintaining the white house. >> i don't know that you ever put anything behind you one and for all in a political campaign. she's going to have to deal with this. i think she has dealt with it by saying i made a mistake. i regret it. i shouldn't have done it. i think she's said that over and over. if you review her testimony for 11 hours in front of that committee, this was not someone who gave the impression they were trying to hide anything. >> do you think she needs to do more? she's not managed to put this behind her. here we still are talking about it? >> if i were advising her, i would probably tell her to spend a lot more time talking about this bafoon on the national
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stage and world stage, making up stuff as he goes along, insulting people as a form of public policy. this is somebody who has never presented to the american people how he's going to do anything. >> so, claire, that's the question, is hillary clinton also making stuff up as she goes along if you look at the ig report, her claims this was approved by the state department when the state department clearly says, and this is in the lead of "the new york times," it says that she never sought permission, nor would she have been given permission had she sought permission. she said that repeatedly. she said that her e-mail use was consistent with all the rules of the state department and the federal government. that ended up not being true as well. it goes back to the question of honest and trustworthiness. she's going up against a guy who has extremely low honest and trustworthy numbers, but doesn't this make her case harder pointing at donald trump when
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she has some of the issues if you read "the new york times" and believe what they're saying. >> i understand the point you're making. i think what i would say, it was not a secret. she was sending these e-mails all over the state department. people were receiving e-mails from her -- >> i don't think a lot of people in the state department knew about it. in fact, one gentleman, her top security guy brought it up to two staffers. twice he was told to never bring it up again. so there was -- if you are arguing transparency here, it doesn't appear from this report that there was much transparency. >> i will tell you, i read the report. i looked at it. i certainly do not think the fact she had this e-mail address was a secret at the state department. it was not something she was trying to hide. she was trying, probably misguided, yeah, because she's been under attack her entire life. she wanted to have some free space of privacy. mistake for somebody who is
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secretary of state, but she has acknowledged the mistake over and over again. >> senator, what is more tiger for you, talking about secretary clinton's e-mail or talking about, you know, once again, the cubs beating the cardinals at home? >> i knew you were going to go there, barnacle. can we get back to the e-mails? >> terrible. my god. there are the chicago cubs, 31-14. who saw that coming? >> no, they're hot. >> why? what's with the cubs this year. they going to take it all the way through? >> they have a tendency to falter and choke at a crucial moment in that lifetime of their franchise. we are still strong. we lost 9-8 last night. came this close at the end of the game to catching them. they didn't sweep. that's good. the i think that there's still a lot more baseball to be played. and i'll be back at the end of the season and see how those
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boston red sox are doing, barnacle. >> okay. >> there's a reason they play 162 games. >> there is. there is. >> senator claire mccaskill, we appreciate you being with us. still ahead, oil. it's up to the $50 a barrel mark. that's for the first time this year. what's that impact going to have on the markets? we'll talk about that when we return. national. they're all-beef like yours but they're also kosher. is that a big deal? i think so. because not just any beef goes into it. only certain cuts of kosher beef. i guess they're pretty choosy. oh, honey! here, have some of ours. oh! when your hot dog's kosher, that's a hot dog you can trust. hebrew national
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of america's big producers. shale oil producers, those types of companies to start ramping up production again. we'll see that $50 mark key in today's trading. also want to turnior attention to what's happening in silicon valley. there's that big battle brewing. paypal co-founder peter teal has been reported as the man who has been financing media wars against gawker media. again, an interesting move here. according to "the new york times" and cnbc's andrew ross sorkin reporting that peter teal bankrolled a legal team to finance lawsuits against gawker, including the one hulk hogan just won for $140 million jury verdict. an interesting development here because we're talking about one of the most high-profile silicon valley billionaires out there who co-founded paypal and was one of the early investors in facebook. worth about $2.7 billion and
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he's been one of those men, peter thiel who has done a lot for journalism, supported journalists in the past. he doesn't feel this particular move to finance a move against gawker goes against that. it's just an interesting development here in a battle that has so many high-profile people in silicon valley talking about the relationship between media and, of course, the technology world, guys. >> wboy, all right. that's fascinating. greatly appreciate it. those oil prices, the cheers you heard were going up somewhere over north dakota. waiting for oil prices to come back. >> and on lower wall street. >> wall street. from north dakota to wall street. coming up next on "morning joe," -- >> nobody lies like some of the people i've seen, especially lyin' ted. lyin' ted cruz. >> breathe, breathe, breathe. >> it's l-y-i-n apostrophe.
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welcome back. plenty of posturing in politics. and the right position can say a lot about a leader. our next guest says striking a power pose like this one from
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the oval office can actually boost someone's brain to make them more assertive and confident. is that the pose? >> well, that's -- >> feet up on the desk? >> this one here. this one here. you all are in pretty powerful postures. the feet up on the defrk sk is powerful posture, but i'd not recommend doing it in front of other people. >> professor at the harvard business school, author of the best selling book "presence" bringing your boldest self to your biggest challenges. her ted talk has been viewed more than 33 million times. if you haven't seen it, you've got to watch it. and she's a familiar face to the know your value movement which will be up and running soon again. we want you back. msnbc's kasie hunt and anand r garadardis. >> that's what i find so
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interesting about your message. you aren't teaching people tips and little ways to wing it. you are giving them something that comes from inside. so what they bring out is actually more powerful. explain it. >> it's not just a hat full of tricks. nonverbal tricks. it doesn't work well that way. when we're being choreographed, we're not being authentic. when we adopt expansive postures which is what animals do when they are powerful and people do when they are proud, it makes us feel powerful and confident and proud. and that totally changes our behavior and our interactions and just the way we carry ourselves in lives. >> so powerful poses. some of them are kind of impolite in just looking at them. >> yes. >> i've seen joe in every single one of those. >> exception. would not do that. >> who did i see doing that? oh, it was barnacle. >> barnacle. >> stop that. >> there's barnacle right there.
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>> but the science behind a power pose that -- it sets off -- >> and just to be clear, i really don't recommend man spreading in any situation. no man spreading. >> especially on the subway. and they are really bold poses and that's why you do them in the privacy of your own home or bathroom stall before you go into a job interview. >> why do you do that before you go into a job interview? >> because it calms you down and makes you feel confident. you are tricking your brain into feeling victorious. there's several things happening. one thing that we found is that when you adopt a powerful posture just for a couple of minutes, in some cases it leads to an increase in testosterone and debrees in cortisol.
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it decreases the hormones that are associated with stress and anxiety and fear. so that doesn't happen all the time, but that's one of the things that's happening. >> so interesting, kasie hunt. >> so you also seem to study body language of politicians. so if i'm in an interview, how do i tell if someone is lying to me? >> i love this question. so one of my favorite areas of body language research is what are we looking for when we want to know if somebody is deceiving us? what most people think is the best cue is eye contact. it's not. the science does not support that at all. the best way to know if somebody is lying is to look for a synchronize. if you are telling a happy story, your body should not look scared. when we see those, we think of them as leaks. we know they're telling one story and suppressing another and not able to manage all the
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pieces. we pick up on that in a visceral level. >> i'd take that back to a struggle i think women have. those leaks come out like in job interviews or negotiations. if you have the person who you are negotiate with, man or woman, sitting there in a powerful pose and you are like this but saying how great you are -- >> exactly. that's exactly the kind of thing i'm talking about. >> so look at these powerless -- >> exactly. when we feel powerless, we wrap ourselves up and look frightened. we want to look invisible and don't want to offend the person who has the power. that's what causes us to do that. but when we're in interaction with somebody with a lot of power, we tend to complement their behavior by becoming more powerless. >> the book is "presence." amy cuddy, always good to see you. we'll be back with much more "morning joe." my mom loves giving me advice. she even gives me advice...
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but the emperor may have met its match. >> it cannot run. he choked like a dog. he's a choker. once a choker, always a choker. and he walks like a penguin on to the stage. you ever see -- like a penguin. >> well, okay. it's time to talk about what we learned today. mika, i learned that mitt romney walked like a penguin. i never noticed it before. >> i thought donald trump was like the most successful branding, marketing, get ahead of the game on the press thing guy out there. he's not. >> certainly not right now. >> we're talking about e-mails. >> senator claire mccaskill thinks hillary clinton's e-mail policy was misguided and if your surrogates and defendants are calling what you did misguided, that's a problem. >> in an odd juxtaposition, joe biden is in new york today. monday is the first anniversary
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of beau biden's death. the president is chairing a studying committee -- >> if you are in the new york area, join joe and his band at prohibition. it's a great band if you're in the area. drop by. steve kornacki picks up the coverage right now. good morning this thursday. i'm steve kornacki. we're now 166 days until the election. topping the agenda this morning, a debate we never saw something with hillary clinton refusing to debate bernie sanders. donald trump now says he's willing to go one on one with sanders before the june 7th california primary. but only at a price. >> if i debated him, we'd have such high ratings, and i think i should take that money and give

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