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and the chinese are extremely strong now. all of the nations in asia are very much concerned about chinese expansionism and as it was discussed, none so much as the japanese. very seriously considering that the constitution that they have at the moment is not suitable for their ability to defend themselves. so secretary of state going to -- going to the region was definitely testing the waters to see what the response would be. and the response was generally very, very positive. i think the president's going here will reinforce the american commitment. you know, a couple of years ago, the president said that we were pivoting towards asia. well, it's one thing to say it. it's something else, again, to actually do it. this is years later and finally we are demonstrating that we may, in fact, be pivoting towards asia. and a -- making sure that the
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people -- the nations there that depend on the united states and the united states defense will be molified by the president of the united states and the is secretary of state. >> i want to bring back in gordon chang. watch all of this play out, and we'll see more of it today as the president visits the memorial site in hiroshima. asia has been a priority. it's been talked about throughout this president's term. is this about legacy? is that what this trip is about, as well. >> whatever a president does in his last year, people will say it's about legacy. but beginning in the prong speech in 2009 when he talked about disarmament, this has been a common theme of the president's for his entire term. and this is actually bipartisan because you go back to the the
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world of the world's most dangerous weapons, which actually is advantageous for the united states because we are the world's most powerful conventional force. so, you know, i think essentially what the president is doing it's something that he really believes. >> all right. gordon and colonel, thank you both for joining us. the president will be speaking to the members of the marine corps there at the air spatatio and when that happens, we'll bring you audio of that. right now, back to regular programming, "all in" is next. >> cavalier attitude or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of thinking
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through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> asked about the president's comments, trump said that leaders being rattled is a positive. >> that's good. he knows nothing about business. when you rattle someone, that's good. if they're rattled in a friendly way, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. >> world leaders aren't the only one. a new poll finds that 78% of citizens in france, germany, the uk, mexico, canada, japan believe trump's political views make the world less safe. trump showed off his signature diplomatic grace when a reporter willed about elizabeth warren, who has been sharply critical of trump. >> elizabeth warren -- >> who, pocahontas. >> that's very offensive.
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>> oh, i'm sorry about that. pocahontas, is that what you said? >> trump was impressed that paul manafort said not to take trump's proposed muslim ban seriously. he's already started moderating on them. he operates by starting the conversation at the outer edges and brings it back towards the middle within his comfort zone. and he'll soften it more. asked about that, trump said, we're going to look at a lot of different things. so who knows? manafort was also quoted as saying trump probably wouldn't pick a woman or person of color. in fact, it would be viewed as pandering. trump offered up this. >> no, i think it's likely that we would have somebody but we don't do it for any specific reason. we're looking for absolute competence. i expect that we will have many women involved with not only -- i've had it with the campaign,
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but many women involved, and i think you're going to see that and see that very strongly. >> manafort's off message comments reflect what sure looks like a chaotic campaign. last night, the trump campaign announced that rick wylie, a seasoned gop hand, was no long we are the campaign. he worked for trump for all of six weeks. joining me now, robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post." robert, here you have the guy within the span of 24 hours, he's clinched it >> chris, as we all know at the center of this campaign is one strategist, donald trump. and he has a warring campaign in some ways with paul manafort, corey lewandowski. we continue to see the campaign barreling forward, trump at the center being the key player and the decisionmaker.
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>> what's the deal? it seems like "game of thrones" over that campaign. let me say covering a lot of campaigns, they're all "game of thrones." the office poll sicks of campaigns are legendarily brutal. this one seems more brutal than usual. >> it's a different kind of campaign because it's very small in size. if you compare trump to the operation, it's small. in manafort you have someone who's building relationships in washington, doesn't have as close a rapport with lewandowski. but they're both useful to trump in different ways. they don't get along for the most part, however, but they seem to be operating for a moment in a way that's somewhat peaceful. >> all right. paul ryan is continuing as a sort of consolidation map, you saw those delegates smiling in north dakota today, some of them interviewed later weren't particularly big donald trump
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fans but this is the way things are going. paul ryan continues his will he or won't he routine. had a phone call with trump last night. take a listen to what he had to say. >> it was a productive phone call. like i said, we've had these conversations. we had a very good and very productive phone call. aisle leave it at that. what i'm most concerned about is making sure we actually have real party unity, not pretend because we need to win this election in the fall. there's too much at stake. the supreme court, on and on and on i could go. the real important part is party unity. that's the most important part. >> what's the exit strategy for ryan here? >> there's a group on the right that's never going to come to trup p, never going to embrace him should they decide to, quote, support the nominee. trump is not making overtures in trying to win over parties. he's a populist and when you look at the interactions behind the scenes between a lot of
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trump and ryan people, there's a sense they would like to see party unity but both sides don't really care if it actually happens. >> when you say that, do you think we'll actually go into cleveland with ryan not actually endorsing him? >> i think that's very possible. there may be a semiformal endorsement once he gets the nomination but it's not going to be something that's done with gusto. >> all right. robert costa. thank you for your time. appreciate it. three days ago hillary clinton said she would not debate bernie sanders. that does not mean the depates o over. donald trump said he would, quote, love to debate sanders under the right circumstances. he was asked about the possibility and he suggest he was open to it. sanders tweeted game on. i look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. supporters said trumen was only joking. it sure didn't sound that when when trump was asked about the
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possible debate today. >> what we can do is raise for maybe women's health issues or something, if we can raise $10 million or $15 million for charity, which would be a very proepts amount. i tons television business very well. i think we would get very high ratings. it should be in a big arena somewhere and we could have a lot of fun with it. the biggest problem i have is bernie is not going to win. but i would debate him nae if they put up money for charity. wheel see. i've actually had a culp of calls from networks. >> bernie sanders said he'd be delighted to do and in the biggest stadium as possible. >> hillary clinton has not agreed to debate me here in california so i look forward to debaing mr. trump. i think it's important somebody hold him to task for his outrageously big gotted remarks against mexicans, latinos,
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muslims, women, veterans, african-americans and tell him to his face that the strength of our country is our diversity, is our coming together. >> howard dean who has endorsed hillary clinton. a lot of clinton supporters really did not like this idea. they felt it was exclusionary, a stunt, bernie sanders going off the rails and who know as what will happen. what is your take on this? >> i think it's spectacular. it certainly is exclusionary and it certainly is going off the rails. i think that wacko donald as i now call him because we're all taking f his tradition, wacko donald is going to chicken out. i think he's afraid to debasement sanders will clean his clock.
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the first u.s. president to visit hiroshima some 71 years since the u.s. dropped an atomic bomb on that city, killing 141,000 people there. many many japan have been waiting for this moment. marines there were excited when air force one landed and waiting for the president to spoke and he just wrapped up his speech to those marines there. later this morning, he will be visiting that memorial site there inhiroshima. right now, back to regular programming. "all in" with chris hayes.
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>> i guaranty no matter how tough hillary clinton and bernie sanders are, vladamir putin is tough to and the country can't risk having donald trump as president. i don't think there's any downside risk for hillary. there's an upside risk for bernie, and bernie sanders would clean whacko donald's absolute clock. >> i also thought it would be -- when people talk about what happens, you know, after the primaries are finished and we go to -- maybe before we go to philadelphia, certainly after philadelphia, what is bernie sanders' role? what is his role in this campaign, should he not be the nominee, which looks likely at this point? this to me would be a fascinating moment in viewing what that could look like. >> sure. bernie could do what elizabeth warren is doing, which is to try trump every day. elizabeth warren has really gotten under donald trump's skin, which is really thin.
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i think bernie sanders is going to have a huge movement. i thought it was a very, very good thing that they came to an agreement on the platform with a couple of exceptions. those are very solid people on both sides, who understand politics, understand issues. i was very pleased by the coming together of the hillary camp and the bernie camp on a platform committ committee. >> you want to name who those exceptions are? >> no. and they're not bad people. some are a little less political than others, but poem like keith ellison are outstanding, jim zogby. he's an arab american, a very thoughtful guy. hillary has son incredibly smart, thoughtful people on her side. barbara lee is to the left of bernie sanders. so i think it's a great group, and i give both sides a lot of credit for making this happen and that's a big step towards what i think is going to have to be unity to beat trump.
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trump is a real candidate. he may be a nut, as whacko donald as we call him, but he could win and we have to take this seriously. >> one of the challenges i think is that trump makes himself always excess ibaccessible. he's always giving interviews. if trump remains as accessible as he is. >> i don't think so. look, every candidate is different and every candidate relates to the press differently and the press always wants as much accessibility as possible. so each candidate will do their own thing. i think trump is getting in trouble. he won the nomination because he was so accessible to the press. the problem is he doesn't make any sense. when you get closer and closer
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to the election, it's very hard to vote for somebody who, as you very aptally said, talks word salad. still to come, just how much damage did chris christie's failed presidential run and trump backing do to the governor's approval rating? new polling is out and it is brutal. but first, donald trump makes a rare, scripted policy speech today, addressing energy, although there might be more to learn from his comments before the speech. @biggbill7 writes: are you kidding me? no more cheeseburgers on a pizza? are you kidding me? they're back, big bill - with bacon. are you kidding me?! papa's bacon cheeseburger pizza is back. piled high with hickory smoked bacon, dill pickles, and zesty burger sauce. and try our new mushroom swiss burger pizza. just ten dollars each for a large.
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largely we can eliminate the department of education. department of environmental -- the dep is killing us environmentally. it's just killing our businesses. >> that was donald trump last month apparently trying to refer to the environmental protection agency. today in bismarck, north dakota, trump gave a speech devoted to energy and the environment. one of those rare so-called
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policy addresses in which he borrows a teleprompter. trump was asked questions about his energy policy. perhaps it was there we got a better idea of the grasp of the subject, whether he was in favor of the upland pipeline that would run from north dakota to canada. transcanada, that's the same company behind the keystone xl pipeline will seek approval for. trump hadn't heard of the pipeline, but his rambling to that and other question a reminder of where he is most comfortable. >> do you like the idea? do you like the idea as a reporter? you're not supposed to say this, pu that's okay. my basic bias would be to approve. i want to approve for jobs. the concept of pipelines is okay if they're going from the right place to right place, okay? bernie is going to ban fracking. hillary is going to ban fracking. hillary is going to abolish the second amendment in case you're wondering.
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we're going to have all kinds of energy including solar. there are places maybe for wind. if you go to various places in california, wind is killing all the eagles. if you shoot an eagle, they'll put you in jail for five years and yet the windmills are killing hundreds and hundreds of eagles, one of the most beautiful treasured birds. >> for the record, while sanders believes in banning fracking, hillary clinton does not. nor does she want to abolish the second amendment. a 2014 review found wind turbines killed fewer cats and cell towers. trump later delivered his policy speech. make no mistake, he was there to serve up a wish list for the republican establishment, for oil and coal and fracking interests and the kind of agenda that might come from any sort of generic run-of-the-mill republican politician when it comes to energy policy.
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>> here is my 100-day action plan. we're going to rescind all the job destroying obama executive actions. we're going to save the coal industry. we're going to save that coal industry, believe me! i'm going to ask transcanada to renew its permit application for the keystone pipeline. we're going lift moratoriums on oil production in federal arias. we're going to cancel the paris climate agreement. we're going to stop all payments of the united states tax dollars to u.n. global warming programs. my america first energy plan will do for american people what hillary clinton will never do. >> joining me now, oil and gas industry expert, bob cavnar and also author of "disaster on the horizon." you spent your life and career in this industry. what did you make of the speech today? >> well, after listening to the whole speech, and, frankly, this
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is the first one i was able to sit all the way through. i was getting a nervous twitch at the end. no one in the industry believes the things that he's saying and no serious person actually thinks this is an energy policy. basically trump did what he always does in front of a crowd. he panders to that particular crowd, and this was an oil and gas conference in north dakota for the basin. so of course, he was pandering to that crowd. so stringing all those slogans together didn't form any kind of policy at all. >> it struck me how detached it was from the reality of what is happening in the energy industry. he talks about coal. he's going to bring the coal jobs back and there's this idea of hillary clinton and barack obama has destroyed coal. coal is getting crushed not by hillary clinton and barack obama but by the price of natural gas and those jobs are not coming back. >> that's exactly right, chris,
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because now coal is actually falling behind natural gas. natural gas is the fuel that's being used for all the new plants. coal is dirty, it's tough to transport. it's kind of the bottom of the food chain for fuels. coal has gone down because natural gas is a much better fuel than coal. it had nothing to do with the regulations. as a matter of fact in wyoming where almost half of our coal is mined is companily controlled by the coal industry. it's a very friendly state to coal and those companies in wyoming now are going bankrupt because there's no demand for their fuel. >> it also was striking to me that this speech barely did not talk about climate at all except to say he's going to renege on paris, stop any contributions to the u.n. there wasn't a huge run of denialism. but i mean if you're talking about energy in the future you cannot have that
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conference unless you're talking about climate. >> you can't have that conversation without climate and you can't talk about that without a comprehensive energy policy. we're the only country in the world who doesn't have a comprehensive energy policy. all those things reduce the carbon emissions in the atmosphere. trump didn't address those today and no serious person can have a conversation about policy without talking about those very things. his slogan shouldn't be let's make america great again. his slogan should be let's take america back to 1940, because that's what he's proposing. >> all right. bob cavnar, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. coming up, today, shocking news about the man who led the investigation into bill clinton resulting in bill clinton's impeachment. that's right after this short break.
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donald trump specifically going after bill clinton's alleged behave toward women it was amusing to see this headline a couple of days ago. a tennis star helped fuel the paranoid culture and led ultimately to the president's impeachment. now, according to the times starr is full of praise for clinton expressing regret over what he terms as the unpleasantness. if nothing else, the timing seemed curious. then came another headline. baylor university where starr was appointed president has now demoted him and fired the head football coach after they found
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failure to address repeated accusations of sexual assaults against football players. the man made famous for his years long inquisition into the consensual sexual affair between bill clinton and monica lewinsky. according to the findings, he ignored or hushed up allegations of misconduct and in one case actually retaliated against an accuser. starr will keep his job as university professor and chance lore at the law school. still ahead, regardless of starr's feelings, donald trump clearly believes those decades-old scandal are fertile ground for new attacks on hillary clinton. his likely opponent in the general election. he's not the first republican to think so. back when clinton first ran for senate in new york a gop consultant did some research on how voters would respond to those kinds of attacks and he joins me next.
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i really know nothing about the vince foster situation. somebody asked me the question about it the other day and i said that a lot of people are skeptical about what happened and how he died but i don't think it's something that, frankly -- unless something to the contrary of what i've seen comes up, i don't think it should be part of the campaign but, again, if you people reveal something to me, i'll answer it the appropriate way. >> donald trump in his press
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conference today, continuing to flirt with some nasty theories to implicate bill and hillary clinton in the 1993 suicide of their very close friend vince foster, white house aide, personal friend of the clintons. trump sounded off calling theories of possible foul play very serious and the circumstance of foster's death very fishy. quote, people continuing bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. foster's sister, sheila foster anthony responded today in a heartbreaking op ed describing her brother's battle with depression. and his plea for help just before his death, calling it beyond contempt that a politic would use a tragedy to further his candidacy. >> we're barely into the candidacy and he's resurrecting everything from around the 1990s. much of it discredited, to raise questions about hillary clinton. just yesterday politico obtained an e-mail from the trump campaign asking for dirt on the whitewater investigation. republicans have already been down this road. back in 2000 strategist rick wilson was working on rudy
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giuliani senate campaign, a race giuliani eventually dropped out of. he conducted expensive polling, testing attacks over the clinton scandals in the '90s. what he found should not encourage the trump campaign. rick wilson joins me now. and rick, giuliani dropped out of the race. rick lazio ran, he was a congressman of new york and hillary clinton beat him. he was elected senator twice. what do you find back then when things were fresher in people's minds? >> we went out and did a pollster and the sad or happy fact even though this was the time when he was -- bill clinton was two years outside of the scandal, he had been impeached t whole thing, and, frankly, all of it was in new york at least a complete blowback. when you went into a focus group or asked the voters in new york, hey, what do you think about us bringing up bill clinton, the fact he's chronic corn dog and
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would have sex with a couch if it slowed down long enough. they pushed back on it immediately. they hated the fact that we were talking about his life. they had a direct response. it was not, oh, that woman facilitated this. it was, oh, my god, that's horrible. she practically deserves it because he's been so bad to her. it was really something that was sort of an early lesson in this is that there's a degree to which you can push that button but there's also a degree to which people will start to reject it. again, those are the results from new york state. you notice barack obama didn't run in 2008 pushing those buttons. you'll notice that when she's been tested before, people who have looked at the numbers and looked at these things in focus groups realize you can't make that argument as a centerpiece of your campaign and you certainly can't go back and make all of this other stuff about real estate deals from the 1970s and '80s. and, yes, all the whitewater
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stuff, it's all that sleazy gritty hillbilly stuff that they're famous for but nobody cares about it at this point. >> without agreeing to the last sentence, let me ask you this. my instinct has been that this lesson was actually learned by republicans and learned in 1998 and quite powerfully. >> yes. >> the reason impeachment happened is there was a sense that these folks were horrible and that a bunch of scandals in the republican mind, a bunch of scandals had accrued. they had balled into this ji gan -- gigantic sort of monstrosity and it was polling of the impeachment itself that recommended, i thought, showed an entire generation of republicans that there was a real backlash effect. >> well, look. here's the thing. the minute it went from being something that was viewed as the appropriate response to bill clinton's sexual predation in the white house and became -- >> that was a consensual affair, let me just say.
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>> it became viewed as a political lever against him. that's when it started to blow back in the minds of the public. i have no beef with the clintons, either one of them. but the fact is i'm into the utility of the actual messages and strategies that work, and that's not one that's working. it frankly blew us out in '96. it was a contributing factor after the '94 revolution. we thought we were going to be in an upward arc for a long time. we got into this whole discussion about monica lewinsky for half a decade and it did not help us in direct communication against the clintons. i mean george bush learned a lesson when he basically said i am going to bring honor and dignity back to the white house. he stayed away from all the details. that message tested beautifully and he followed it almost rigidly in the course of the campaign, because they knew it worked. they knew it was the appropriate way to do it. you could short hand it for
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people. you didn't have to beat people over the head, the story of the blue dress and all the other hoo-ha. >> you're also putting it to a procedural message here. you're talking about messages, focus group, tools people used. he's been able to sort of put his finger on the pulse of a certain kind of voter in the republican primary and it seems to me like he still has his finger on that particular pulse when he's doing this kind of stuff. >> yeah. if he doesn't have the conspiracy theory mena, arkansas, whitewater blue dress voter already, we're missing something. those are his people already. >> yeah. >> but, you know, beyond that group, not as much. >> rick wilson. thank you very much. coming up, what happens when you miss your moment. the long steep fall of chris christie. that story after this break.
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cast your mind back to a different time almost five years ago. it was the fall of 2011 when new jersey governor chris christie was in demand. republicans seeing them as their last great hope, lobbying him to enter the presidential race. the pressure became so intense christie addressed the issue at a press conference in trenton. by november of the next year, his ratings in the blue state of new jersey were a whopping 67% -- 77%. later he rode that wave of popularity to a second term winning by a landslide and cementing his reputation as a republican star. now 2 1/2 years and one bridge scandal later, chris christie is occupying a different space in the republican party in new jersey. after dropping out of the gop primary race without winning a single state, he went on to endorse donald trump. he had a very distinct i'm here
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against my will feel to it all. which led chris christie to announce in fact, no, he was not being held hostage by donald trump. >> so, no, i wasn't being held hostage. no, i wasn't up there thinking, oh, my god, what have i done. i was standing up there supporting the person who i believe is the best person to beat hillary clinton of the remaining republican candidates. >> and yesterday, we got the latest window into the at times confusing relationship between donald trump and chris christie. >> far less time. so, yeah. >> what that call was about and what the voters of in new jersey now think of chris christie in 60 seconds.
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last night chris christie did what he often does in new jersey. he went on the radio and answered questions. this time his interview was interrupted not once, but twice. >> my name is david jones. i work for ocean county government. a couple of years ago i spoke
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with you about a pension issue. >> okay. >> i'm 100% disabled through the social security administration, motor vehicle commission took my license away because of my medical problems. >> just moments later the governor's phone rings again. >> we got that permit. yep, yep. in far less time. yeah. we got the permit. so, you know -- >> now, from the video it certainly looks like it's donald trump calling. chris christie's saved him to the phone. the radio station said they were under the impression donald trump was calling. chris christie's office did not respond to multiple requests for confirmation. could that probably have something to do with the way the people of new jersey feel about their governor and his relationship with donald trump? who knows? right now his approval rating is
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down to 26%, down 51 points from its high point. a new poll asked voters whether they feel chris christie's work for donald trump has hurt their opinion, 46% said yes. and nearly half of those polled said they don't just dislike his policies but dislike everything about him. good thing there's always a trump administration to fall back on.
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a bombshell. libertarian and trump delegate peter teal admitted to being behind a secret effort to fund several different lawsuits aimed at putting a media company, gawker, out of business. this includes the most high-profile lawsuit of hulk hogan against gawker for publishing a secret sex tape. a jury awarded him though they had no way of knowing that he was posting the money for the suit to the tune of $10 million.
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they published that he was gay. i saw gawker pioneer in a unique and damaging way of getting attention by bullying people even when there's no connection. now it's raised all kinds of technical questions. ask this is an incredible caper. lo and behold two days later here's thiel basically copping to it. what do you make of this? >> well,ite amazing on many levels. you know, chris, they used to say about the powerful taking on the media, you don't ever want to get in a dispute with someone who buys inch by the barrelful, but that's been turned on its head. now i would say the media don't want to get in did puce with anybody who can buy litigation in bulk and that's exactly what thiel has done. the hogan suit and two others,
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in order to reap some revenge against gawker for its various outrages over the years, and there's plenty of those. this is -- this is like the iran/iraq war or an episode of "seinfeld." it's hard to find a sympathetic character. >> it's interesting you feel that way. i find something troubling about it, not that it's illegal. this is all done essentially legally as far as i know, but troubling. people bring lawsuits all the time and people sue things for other things and you kind doff know who the parties are and what they're up to. it's the idea of somebody spiskly backing suits secretly with the intent of putting a place out of business, which seems to be what's going on here. that seems different than the other kinds of litigation that any media outlet might phase for things they might run and have to be able to account for. >> there are things called slap
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suits. this is litigation that is pressed not because the plaf has any expectation of winning but they know they can bleed the defendant dry in the process, and a number of jurisdictions, including california, by the way, which i believe is where peter thiel lives, it's illegal to file a slap suit. he's gone shopping for cases that apparently have some sort of -- >> merit. >> -- some merit and he's bank rolled behind the curtain. the question is if the law has any provision for this. there are a lot of suits. it in effect becomes an invest never the suit and public interest law is based on third parties, basically nonprofits, backing the suit with money. but this is a case where the
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wizard of oz is -- has suddenly been revealed to be behind the curtain and the question is, i think, if the judge knew that, would this case have been thrown out, the hogan case, would have been thrown out from the getgo? it was improperly denied along the packet of the jurisprudence. >> bob garfield, thanks for your time as always. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. up next, donald trump saying he would debate bernie sanders wasn't the only story. what jimmy kimmel gets trump to admit for the first time next.
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2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary clinton would make a terrific president. what did she do. >> let me explain this. i had a beautiful story recently. trump is a good businessman. i speak well of everybody. when they asked me about hillary clinton, she's wonderful, the husband, everybody's wonderful, that's the way it is. including contributions. they ask me for contributions -- >> so you were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. >> last night donald trump appeared on "jimmy kimmel live" where he confirmed something that the most casual observer can see. he acknowledged he's full of it, doing whatever he needs to whenever he needs to.
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trump himself has talked about evolving on issues and yesterday his chairman said, quote, he's already started moderating on that. he operated by starting on the conversation where its brings him back toward the middle. his willingness to change his tune was on full display last night when asked about his previous position about transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want. >> i think it's pretty simple. let the states decide. we have to protect everybody. it's a very, very small group. >> if you were vote personally or pattern in new york you would vote for that right? >> well, the party generally believes that whatever your born, that's the bathroom you use. >> what about you? >> me? i say let the states decide. >> would you personally support it? >> would i support -- no, what i support is let the states decide.
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i think the states will do hopefully the right thing. >> what's the right thing? >> i don't know yet. honestly i don't know. >> trump supporter a.j. here's my question for you. i followed you on twitter and you were tweeting about his initial response to some of the controversy over these bathroom bills in different states, north carolina and indiana. he was pretty tolerant. look, i don't think it's that big of a deal and let the states decide. my question is you are you confident in any different policy arena that what he says on any different day isn't going to change the next day? >> yeah, absolutely, because i don't think he has contradicted hymn. the bathroom issue was the first one. how would you feel about it. would you let caitlyn jenner use your bathroom? sure. then if you have power, you do answer as a conservative would. will it the states decide especially because ever since he's made those remarks we
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receive news stories about men who aren't transgender who are sneaking into bathrooms and so forth, so it's given people cold feet. his position is completely consistent, not contradictory. >> also i think it's largely myth. but let me say this. i can see him saying these are my policies, i want to build a wall and get rid of nafta and trade deals and then you get someone who says i don't know if he's telling the truth but i like him and i trust his judgment and he's going do whaef it takes once he gets in there. but i don't see how you can believe in both, right? his whole thing is i'm flexible, i'm a businessman, i'm, quote, full of it when i have to be. which of those two are you? >> somebody who -- i want him to be someone who's flexible. i like what manafort said, that he's willing to maybe perhaps
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moderate the muslim ban. remember, that was a suggest. he never said he was going to temporarily ban muslims. he's not contradicting himself there. he's being flexible. >> he called for it. >> no, he suggested a possible ban ominous limb immigration that would be temporary and it kind of blue into this story. >> he said we have to do it. i'm quoting him. but continue. >> my point is -- answers to the public, what you should be concerned about is a flip-flopper like hillary clinton. i'll fiv yu a great example. he's now a pro immigrant. in 2006 she was in favor of more fencing and a wall, a wall. she mentioned the wall. >> but she -- >> these ooh way worse. >> but she voted for mccain/kennedy back in 2006 and they were part of that pack j, right?
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>> she mentioned a wall and goes on saying donald trump is intolerant. that's a 180. that's a 180. >> you can do this chapter and verse with donald trump all the way through from when he said he was very pro-choice about what he said about the clintons himself. >> no. he said he was pro-choice 17 years ago. i don't know what i thought 17 years ago. >> my question is do you think this guy fundamentally is just an incredibly good salesman who will say what he has to say in that moment to your think he actually has some corset of believes? >> he's not ha salesman. i'll give you an example. that's proof positive. it does not pander to the people but just calls it like it is and tells us his honest opinion. >> that is true, although he didn't say it at the time. >> chris, come on. >> a.j. delgado. thanks for coming on. na that's a" all in" for this evening.
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>> that was fun. president obama will never again highlight a white house continueses dinner but i always felt his best joan that his best joke in all of those years was this one. >> of course,'ve after i've done all this, some folks still don't think i spend enough time with congress. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell, they ask. really? whew don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell. >> all in the dlirchry. arguably getting a drink with mitch mcconnell, trying to make fake friends with members of congress who you don't necessarily like very much, that arguably is part of being president and that's a good

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