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bonnie. here is a look at the satellite perspective. you see the burst of convection where you have orange. that indicates higher cloud tops. it is really just a very short while we start to see that precipitation work its way on the coast line of south carolina and into coastal georgia. that is where we have tropical storm warnings in place. so the latest position has the storm 225 miles to the south southeast of charleston. the movement is to the same, northwest at 14. not much change with winds at 35 miles per hour. as the storm comes over the warmer waters of the gulf stream we are likely to see it get stronger. here is a look at the track and things to keep in mind as we go through this storm into the weekend. dangerous rip currents, rough surf and heavy rain. heaviest rain along the coastal areas particularly south carolina. speaking of rain thank goodness it is not raining more north of houston where we had so much rain. on thursday almost 20 inches.
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that is a record and fortunately it will take a while for the water to recede. we saw heavy rain on thursday but a really nasty spring for much of southeast texas. houston in particular getting a lot of rain. dry today but will take a while for the water to recede because of the inunidation over the region. it will be etweather we are dealing with. dealing with temperatures that are pretty warm across much of the country. climbing all the way to near 90 degrees in new york city. another hot one as we go through the holiday and watching for not much of a change for sunday except for the impact of the storm as it makes its way closer to the southeast coast. >> you will be watching bonnie especially ahead of memorial day. thank you for the update. we check in later. now to politics and protests in california outside of both donald trump rallies. first in fresno and then 350 miles south in san diego. demonstrators clashed with supporters and both although it was more chaotic.
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protesters threw eggs and bottles of water at police who pepper sprayed those who refused to leave. 35 people were arrested. despite large number of protesters trump once again called for a border wall and chanted along with supporters just 20 minutes from the u.s. mexico border. >> we are going to build a wall. we are going to build a wall. latinos for trump, i love you. you know, we are going to do great with the latinos. i'm bringing back jobs. the latinos, african-americans, we are doing great with african-americans. they want jobs. >> sanders is in california holding three events today.
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the vermont senator attacked trump for rhetoric against minorities at one california rally. >> what this campaign is about is not allowing the donald trumps of the world to divide us up. demagoguery and dividing people up has been going on for hundreds of years. what they want to do is tell us we are supposed to dislike people of mexican origin or muslims or blacks or whites or gay people, all that stuff. you divide everybody up and you know what happens? the rich get richer and everybody else gets poorer. we know that trick and we ain't falling for that trick. >> hillary clinton also in california and bill clienten in new jersey where he attacked trump and sanders at an event without mentioning them by name. >> future economy where every
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american can step on escalation to the future with -- he is the only person you can vote for with a proven record of getting things done. >> clinton's campaign just added two events in new jersey ahead of the june 7 primary. democrats in wyoming are bracing for another possible show down between clinton and sanders supporters when they need to select 14 delegates. they agreed to split evenly with the clinton camp. clinton has additional four superdelegates which add up to 11. the other big gathering is libertarian convention in the second day in orlando, florida. donald trump has changed his mind about televised show down with bernie sanders and would love to square off with sanders trump says it would be inappropriate for him to debate the second place finisher.
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alex jaffe is in san diego. protesters making head lines. what is the latest with the back and forth? >> reporter: donald trump called it inappropriate for him to debate bernie sanders. this was an about face after on wednesday he told jimmy kimmel he would love to debate the candidate. on friday in fresno before announcing i won't be debating bernie sanders. he said i really want to but as the republican nominee it's inappropriate to debate the second place democratic finisher. he said he was concerned that the networks wouldn't contribute the funds from the debate to charity. but it's a shift but it's not a shift that will necessarily hurt donald trump. it is hard to see what would be gained from a show down between the two on stage. one we were not entirely surprised by. his advisers have been telling us this was basically a joke,
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little more than donald trump's notorious sense of human and had no plans to go through with it. it benefits hillary clinton locked in a tight race with bernie sanders in california. a debate with donald trump for bernie sanders would have given him millions of dollars in free media that could have helped boost him over the edge. unfortunately, we'll have to wait until fall to see the fireworks of donald trump debating a democrat on stage and that democrat is likely if not certain to be hillary clinton. >> thank you so much for the update. thank you. i want to bring in washington correspondent for usa today and jane tim in orlando covering the libertarian convention. writing about libertarian party, just in the past hour we had vp candidate william weld who told alex whit this. >> some of mr. trump's proposals
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such as building the wall and deporting 11 million people, it is evocative of the features of the 20th century. i think it is disregarding the lessons of history. >> is that a sentiment you are hearing reflective there at the convention? we have to talk about the reaction to the gop chaos and also the reaction there because he was booed when introduced by gary johnson. >> absolutely. people here have long disliked main party candidates and are enjoying this election because everybody else also dislikes them. these are unpopular candidates. libertarians seeonald trump and hillary clinton as one in the same. i have heard them both called new york liberals. there is some differences to those who cover them but for people here there is no love
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lost between either side. the candidates here, they are looking to maybe this is an opening for them. because the candidates are so disliked and because donald trump is so polarizing maybe it is a tipping point to give him a second look or a first look. >> you were writing in your article about the third party libertarians and how they are saying republicans and democrats are doing the libertarian party a huge favor. i want to ask you, when you see this ticket, this third party candidate, how viable are they? >> i'm not sure that the libertarian ticket can win the presidential race. there has never been a third party candidate able to really draw enough to win. the question is, can they draw enough to change the outcome. you anticipate libertarians draw never trump republicans away from a donald trump campaign but
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could draw bernie sanders favoring liberals away from a hillary clinton campaign. if you have a libertarian candidate on the ballot in 50 states it could impact the outcome of the election. the question is how. >> let's talk about the ballot and the ticket when it comes to the republican side. you compiled the new list of potential vps. we are seeing this name rise once again, newt gingrich getting top billing. are we bumping bob corker here outside of the meeting he had with donald trump earlier? >> bob corker has strengths and weaknesses. he is being investigated by the fbi for some of his financial transactions as reported improperly on financial disclosure forms. i think the reason newt gingrich comes to the floor is because newt gingrich is a guy who understands the process in ways that donald trump doesn't and understands policies in detail and yet has a personality to
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compliment donald trump's pretty well. keep in mind, we are asking smart people who they think would be good choices. we have no idea who donald trump is thinking about. >> we have heard in the past, new mexico governor mentioned as somebody viable and then these comments saying she is not doing her job when it comes to unemployment, federal food aid and this is speaking at a rally where she didn't attend. how will that impact as trump tries to get people like house speaker paul ryan to come up with the endorsement that we still have yet to hear? >> i say she might be out of the running at this point either by herself taking herself out of the running or because donald trump has thrown insults at her. donald trump needs to soften. i think a lot of people think choosing a vice president candidate who is a minority or both might have done that for him, might help him soften.
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donald trump has given us no indication that he wants to soften. the one thing is he used to go after ben carson just as bad and ben carson is now work frg him. things can change quickly with the donald trump campaign. >> we heard that with marco rubio. when it comes to firing back at donald trump with the debate situation bernie sanders saying maybe you are scared to go one-on-one with me. if this were to happen, would a debate with sanders help or hurt donald trump? >> it's hard to tell. the campaign statement that trump put out was a classic donald trump. he blamed the democrats for blocking bernie sanders from being the nominee. then he blamed the networks for not wanting to put the money forward. the whole thing was kind of a circus from the start. i think the whole thing would have helped donald trump more because it would be an opportunity for trump and sanders to bash hillary clinton without hillary clinton on the
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stage. we sure enjoyed the opportunity to think about it for a couple of days. >> hillary clinton had the sentiment calling the whole thing a joke. jane, one thing you are reporting on is trump's ground game or lack thereof. does he stand a chance without it? what is going on behind the scenes as far as getting this together? >> donald trump says he is stepping up his team and he is going to build a team. we talked to people on the ground and they say we are not doing that yet. we are not stepping up and we don't need to. they say people don't need to be brought out of their houses by the campaign because they are already out. somebody asked donald trump about this in a press conference and he said we are going to rely on the rnc, they are really good at this. i called mikal steele and he laughed at the idea that it could be the ground game for a national election. donald trump needs to step up
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and quickly. we see no signs he will do this and that could be problematic in a general election. >> to both of you, always great to have you with me on a saturday morning. thank you. under pressure, the support hillary clinton is trying to hang on to in california as one poll shows a dead heat with bernie sanders in the golden state. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ hey, ready foyeah. big meeting? >>uh, hello!? a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked: diarrhea and abdominal pain. why don't you start without me?
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in the back drop of the drama surrounding the republican nominee, the libertarian party convention is underway this weekend with republicans looking for alternative to donald trump new attention focussed on the libertarians. tony dokoupil is in orlando at the libertarian party convention. would you say they are more revved up than in conventions past given the climate of this
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election season? >> reporter: i would say that, let's talk big picture for a minute. every four years somebody brings up libertarian party and it is a bit of a joke. they only had 11,000 members. they never had a significant impact. they are voting here. this is what is going on. 2:30 is the deadline. gary johnson is the front runner. if he gets 10% of the vote he will participate in a key debate tonight. this year could be different. the libertarian party is on 32 ballots already nationwide on pace to be on 50 of them. there are historic unfavorables with hillary clinton and donald trump. gary johnson, former gop governor of new mexico is polling at 10% nationally. the big question for traditional parties is who is going to be hurt more by a rising libertarian party? i caught up with governor johnson yesterday to ask him
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that question and he brought up donald trump and republicans in particular. take a listen. >> there are so many things that i am 180 degreewise donald trump on starting with deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. let's start with the premise that immigration is a good thing. let's not deport 11 million illegal immigrants. it is a crazy notion. building a fence across the border is a crazy notion. >> reporter: he also went on to compare donald trump's policies to naziism, a feeling that his vp also shares. he continued to talk about the democrats and how he will peel votes away from hillary clinton or potentially bernie sanders with a message of small government and legalized marijuana. gary johnson is a consumer of
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medicinal cannabis. this is viewed as kind of a joke. this year is different not only because of crowds around me but because gary johnson if he can hold on to that, that is a big enough margin to eclipse back to bush, gore in 2000. they are not going to win in november but they could shape the outcome. you have to pay attention to that as a result. >> they are banking on that. thank you very much. tony dokoupil in orlando, florida. hillary clinton is taking a break from the campaign trail. bernie sanders is holding three events in california today. he will rally. his events drawing big crowds all week, a day when hillary clinton is expected to clinch the nomination. with me now is clinton supporter and new jersey congress woman. i appreciate you being with me on a holiday weekend.
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looking at the clinton campaign as they could cross the delegate threshold in your state a week from tuesday. they show her running away pretty much with the race 60% to 32%. sanders couldn't win california later that night. does that take -- >> thanks for having me. even if he did eke by and win california she would already have the delegates that she is going to need. she is going to end up with more delegates than him. she has 3 million more voters than him. so she is the presumptive nominee for the democratic party. i think that even sth sanders campaign is acknowledging that is in the way that it is focussing more attention on the broader issues and problems.
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>> i want to bring up the trump/sanders debate. now that the we know from the statement from donald trump saying it is inappropriate to debate a guy in second place, is that a relief for the clinton campaign? >> that was going to be nothing but some entertainment and some insightment and excitement. it really wasn't a relevant debate. clinton campaign is focussed on uniting all of its voters. it is focussed on winning primaries and focussed on donald trump and the possibilities that someone who is so inept and such a poor candidate and such a poor excuse for a candidate could possibly get this close to the white house. i think that her issues and her concerns are properly focussed on making sure that he is not
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the president of the united states of america. >> where have to ask you about "new york times" and this cloud over hillary clinton when it comes to e-mails and server and this continuous polling that we are seeing when it comes to her unfavorables being very high. with hillary clinton, as well, historic highs of unfavorables. why do you think that's the case? >> i think what is unprecedented about the hillary clinton story is that she has been the target of negative media, negative coverage, negative perceptions from when she was first lady of arkansas. and it has followed her wherever she has gone. yet she has accomplished amazing things. >> why doesn't it seem to stick at all? especially when it comes to trust and honesty in.
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>> the interesting thing is that when it comes to who shares your values, who is more qualified to be president and who is ready to be president she far exceeds anybody that is in the race at this time. so it's an interesting mix of what we are seeing but she is a victim of decades of negative coverage, of inferences and attempts to sort of demean -- >> i have to ask you. we are running out of time. when it comes to negative coverage that is one thing. when you have the fbi looking into the e-mail server controversy. >> the only thing they are finding out is that she did the same thing as powell when he was secretary of state and other deputies and under secretaries and the same thing that john kerry has done at some point. >> when it comes to the server in your home and residence. >> actually, there is no
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instance of any hacking. there is no instance of any danger to our citizenry. there is no instance of any breach that has been identified. so they were very, very careful. now, she said she's discussed this in the benghazi hearing. she said if i could do it differently i probably would. at the end of the day we need a president who is ready, who gets things done, who has a record to stand on, who understands the complexities of this international engagement as well as our national domestic needs. >> we thank you for your time. we will have to leave it at that. thank you so much for your time. inside the numbers now with the presidential race tightening how decisions and strategies are being made because of new polling data. our new cocktail bitters were doing well,
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what i'm going to do is i want to focus on -- because we have to win. i want my energy to be put into states where it can go either way. and we are going to play heavy as an example in california. no other republican would go to dinner in california. they wouldn't do it. >> that was donald trump laying out his plans for general election battle ground states including california. want to bring in patrick murray. as always, great to have you with me to break this down. when you have donald trump saying -- reality is it could be tough for him in november when these polls showing clinton with a ten point lead over trump in california and bernie sanders with a 17-point lead. at this point especially when he is acknowledging no one would go to dinner, does it pay for donald trump to focus on california or does it seem
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democrats have that firm lead? >> if we look at historical president absolutely not since the '90s. but this is 2016 to throw historical precedence out the window. we will see a lot of polls there over the next few weeks that they suggest that some states that are considered democrat may be up for grabs a little bit or competitive. some states considered republican may be competitive. this is really topsy tuvy. i'm not sure what we can count on. >> especially with states that we are talking about florida, ohio, pennsylvania. you just said we might have to throw that out the window. would you do the same in those states? >> the competitive states may not be so competitive. a lot has to do with what the
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campaign is about. donald trump has been good at getting a read on who the voters are that he needs to get to the next step. he has been concentrating on republican voters, focussing on a wall and so forth. he might totally swing in another direction and become much more of an kpk populist putting forward proposals that most republican leadership wouldn't agree with. that could appeal to voters in some of these states or maybe not. and therefore i'm looking at my own internal poll and i'm seeing a lot of voters who you would normally be able to say are democrat or republican who are really up in the air. it is a reason why gary johnson is getting 11% in our poll, high undecideds among core groups considered conservative or black voters are high undecided.
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you consider the lockdown for whoever the democrat is. this is really interesting times for us. >> especially fortune magazine the way they put it on the national level turning towards trump. the last ten days five polls show there is essentially a dead heat. trump leads by significantly margins in thee polls. how critical are national polls? when it comes to it the electoral college decides. >> who is going to be popular in the rust belt? we don't know that yet. that is going to determine a lot of what happens. what the national polls right now tell us is that this race could be competitive in november. that's all it is telling us that donald trump and hillary clinton both have the ability to make this race very competitive. we don't know where this is going to end up. >> the democratic side we have that fight. you have hillary clinton when it
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comes to the mouth, 2,304 delegates, 79 short of the threshold and then 900 delegates to be selected. in the june 7 new jersey primary hillary clinton has a strong lead. your poll shows 60% to bernie sanders 32% and with 142 delegates at stake that could put her over the top before you factor in california. >> our poll was conducted almost a month ago. i think what i have heard internal polling in the clinton campaign shows the lead in the teens in new jersey. she is coming to new jersey to campaign. her husband was there at the event yesterday with bill clinton. they want to make sure that new jersey lead, their win is big enough so that she racks up enough delegates that networks declare her the nominee on tuesday night june 7 because they are worried about what will
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happen in california. she wants to make sure she is declared nominee before california closes. >> that is not the case. the situation when other polls show hillary clinton in a statistical tie with bernie sanders in that state, as well, and others show a double digit lead. what is going on? sanders making in roads. he is there in three different events. >> he is spending his time. there are six states on june 7 spending his time in california because if he can win california that's his last argument that he can make going into the convention that he could potentially still should be considered as nominee that superdelegates should way. hillary clinton wants to change that narrative by winning big in new jersey. she is the nominee. that takes wind out of his sails. >> a lot to watch on june 7 and before that. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. looking for votes.
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4:30 in the morning. they still have 3 1/2 hours before it is supposed to start. the line is winding around here going into the parking lot. i think one big question that people had coming into this final big day on the 7th was knowing what the numbers are, knowing hillary clinton is less than 100 delegates away, could he keep the enthusiasm and keep the crowds. he has been getting thousands of people every day. he has three events today. he is packing in the events going all around the state. one strategy here, you are not seeing him going to a lot of urban areas which are heavy are african-americans, latinos. he is going to places like this, not just places where he has analectert that favors him but places hit harder in many ways in the recession, his message of
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income inequality resonates. they know it is very close here but this is obvsly critical. >> holiday weekend, saturday, 6:41 a.m. in california. these people are out there where they could be doing memorial day parades, picnicking, grilling. yet they are there. >> reporter: sleeping in. >> any sense of what they might do when it comes to bernie sanders doesn't get this nomination? any sense of who they might support? >> reporter: i think first of all they don't want to have that conversation yet. they are not ready to have that conversation that it is over even though it is close to statistically over. it is interesting when you talk to them how many of them are really conflicted even though they consider themselves
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progressives that are conflicted about voting for anybody but bernie sanders. let me play for you some people i talked to at events yesterday. take a listen. >> no way i want donald trump in there. i'm a bernie or bust. i'm not for hillary either. >> if she is the nominee you won't vote for her? >> i won't. >> i innever hillary. >> hillary is the nominee will you vote for her? >> i have to vote for her. i want bernie. we have to push hillary, keep pushing her to the left. >> reporter: key questions for hillary clinton. could she pull independent whose have gone to bernie sanders? can she pull young women who to the surprise of a lot of people have gone to bernie sanders. those questions will wait until the 7th because these folks are planning to come out or maybe already early voted for bernie sanders. >> thank you very much.
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i want to bring in editor of forbes opinion and former policy adviser to marco rubio. good to have you with me on a saturday morning. let's talk about the latest when it comes to the debate and donald trump saying it will not happen. did you want to see the debate? and should he have backed out? >> i mean, i think it is sad for america that we are not going to see this debate. two exceptional campaigns that have exceeded expectations. their critiques of american economic policy are not that much different. they both complain about how the system is rigged. it would have been an interesting debate. i think trump in general from experience with the republican debates doesn't feel that strong on the policy side, maybe that is what he was worried about. >> i have to ask you about marco rubio who had a turn around in the tweets and words he had. he said he may speak for him in
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cleveland at the convention and he didn't really say no to possibly working with donald trump in administration. does that surprise you given the history? >> as you remember all the candidates were asked this question would you support the nominee even if it is donald trump. marco rubio increasingly said yes he would support the nominee. it got difficult for him. he is not saying anything inconsistent. >> when you have somebody in the back and forth when it got as personal as it did talking about hands and pants wetting and calling donald trump one of the most vulgar people to run for president and then this 180. somebody saying is this more about marco rubio? >> as i said, i think he said through that he would support the republican nominee. they had to sign a pledge in january saying or last fall
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saying they would support the republican nominee. so i think he is consistent with that. i think all of us republicans who are stuck with this choice between hillary and trump, we would love to have a better alternative. >> as bernie sanders putting the lesser of two evils. i want to ask you about this when it comes to ground game and the reports that donald trump doesn't have had. how much is that going to hurt? >> that is one thing where in the republican primary he didn't need it. he relied on the media to promote his cause. there will be saturation coverage of the general election. maybe he feels he doesn't need -- let's not forget republican national committee will have ground game to help assist trump people. it will be very interesting to see without that investment in big data and analytics whether that will have an impact. this ilbe a classic political science test case of how important big data is.
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electorate in quite some time, unlike in europe where people do form parties based on their beliefs. here in america we have been forced to choose between one or the other and for the first time in a long time, there are more people than ever who don't want either. i think donald trump has shown the worst of the gop and i think that there is enough concern about hillary clinton as a candidate and the democrats' sort of tax and spend philosophy that people really are looking for other places. no offense to mary matalin for joining the libertarian party but a lot of parties by themselves can't make a difference. it may just lead to a real third party. >> you continue on in your column, you say this. we may have reached a place, we did in december of 1971, when a small group formed the libertarian party or the place we did in 2001 when the green party became the party of ralph nader. do either of these parties provide really a true third party alternative for
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republicans? is there still time for it to be viable? >> well, it won't happen for this election. this election is going to be between donald trump and hillary clinton and while you hate for the campaign to be about okay, this person or not this person, that's what it's going to be about between now and november. but this is about what choices people want after this and what to do about 2020. >> you're thinking ahead to 2020. is that white flagging what mate happen here when it comes to this race and the general election? >> i think the white flag went up as soon as donald trump became the presumptive nominee. when he became the nominee, that white flag was raised even higher. i think people have decided that they really need to take a stand if they want to be responsible for their own politics and their own leaders. >> very quickly in the last 15 seconds, libertarians are now meeting in orlando to select their nominee. is it too late for them even with the one infrastructure they have there to be anything but a spoiler in november? >> well, the gop has lost the
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