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a very good saturday to you. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it's 2:00 p.m. in the east, 11:00 a.m. in the west. and at this hour for you ramping up the fight, bernie sanders refusing to back down, swarming california this holiday weekend. working to shrink hillary clinton's two-point lead ahead of next month's primary there. the vermont senator also ramping up calls for a debate between he and trump despite the presumptive gop nominee calling potential faceoff inappropriate. >> i hope that he changes his mind. again. i mean, mr. trump is known to change his mind many times in a day. >> this has sanders calls for prominent members of the dnc committee to be thrown out once again raising questions about if he's helping or hurting the democratic party's chances of beating trump in november. clashes in california, donald trump met with massive rowdy protests yesterday just miles from the mexico border. more than 30 people hauled away in handcuffs. is this a sign of what's to come
in cleveland? and if so, is the party and the city prepared? and the third option, the libertarian party in orlando right now working to pick its nominee. and with historically low favorability ratings for both trump and clinton, it could give libertarians a leg up in november. we'll hear from one of the candidates vying for the nomination, that's coming up. but we start this hour in california where a party unity for the democrats is taking a backseat to an ever tightening race there. clinton is hanging onto a two-point lead over bernie sanders in the latest california poll. sanders just wrapped up his first of three events in california showing no signs of giving in just as of yet. nbc's chris jansing is in santa barbara following the sanders campaign on a very busy day. good day to you, chris. sanders and his supporters, as we've been saying, do not seem to agree this race is over. and what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, not quite wrapping up here. but starting with a prediction that they're going to win here in california, take that
momentum to the convention and eventually to the general election. of course the numbers don't support that. the numbers show hillary clinton with less than 100 dell galts of clinching the nomination. in fact, adding a couple events in new jersey, a place where she hopes those delegates will push her over the top to the numbers she needs. i just had a conversation with sanders' communications director michael brigs who travels with him. he was saying, well, you have to look at the super delegates, even though they admit they have not gotten commitments for the super delegates who have long supported hillary clinton to switch to bernie sanders. by the way this is a pretty standard stump speech for him. a good crowd 6,003 to be exact, those are the number of people who had to pass through security. it is his 28th wedding anniversary, so he did go a little bit off strip and talk about his wife jane back in vermont, he says, with the grand kids. but for him there will be no breaks just confirming that
between now and june 7th when they vote here in california and just to make it clear there already is early voting, but between now and then he plans to take no breaks. three events as you said today. in fact, he's added kind of a fourth little roundtable he is going to have i believe between the second and third stops today. he has more tomorrow even as donald trump is down today, hillary clinton is down today, he knows everything that is at stake between now and june 7th. and of the six contests still remaining arguably hillary clinton likely to win two, he's lickly to win two. but here in california and new mexico still up for grabs. and california, as you said, the state with the most delegates at stake. so even though it's not a state that would put him over the top to the nomination, it's a state that would head him into the convention with what he considers to be that momentum, the argument that he wants to make about having the influence there and continuing to have a
say in what happens in that platform. richard. >> yeah, chris, if not the mathematical significance for bernie sanders certainly symbolic as we move towards june. nbc's chris jansing on the campaign trail in santa barbara, california. not too far from where chris is 35 people arrested after police and protesters clashed outside of a trump rally in san diego yesterday. this after a number of chaotic days and trump rallies in the west where immigration rights, supporters, have zeroed in on trump's controversial policies and statements on immigration. nbc's katy tur is live in san diego. katy, are there, if you will, calmer protesters? and if so in this group what is the message on immigration that they're making? >> reporter: the message on immigration is they don't agree with donald trump. they believe that mexicans coming across the border, many of them are looking for a better life. when i asked the protesters why they were there protesting, it was pretty much the same thing over and over again. donald trump called us rapists, he called us drug dealers. that is not true.
so their message has been the same now for about 11 months since donald trump has gotten into this race. and so far his rhetoric, his campaigning has not convinced them that he will be on their side. despite the fact that he does promise prosperity for latinos through job creation and tries to make the point immigration is not the same as what he calls illegal immigration. that message is clearly not being heard by very many latinos. numbers are still quite unfavorable when it comes to that demographic the protest yesterday there were a couple thousand there. the majority were organized peaceful protests. loud but peaceful. but there was a contingent that was there that was looking for a fight. these were the folks who stayed much later than the others when everyone else disbursed they refused to leave getting into it with police. they ultimately had to release some pepper spray balls to disburse the crowd because they refused to leave.
this video you're watching right now a couple protesters were trying to break the barricade if you will, trying to climb the wall to get to the convention area where police were holding a line. and as you can see it got quite violent with the officer using his night stick in order to push the gentleman right back down into that crowd. but, richard, the cops were ready for this. they figured it was going to happen. we're 20 minutes from the mexican border. this is the closest donald trump has been to the border since he tried to visit border police in la redo, texas. they had quite a big police continge contingent. they released the 10,000 or so supporters inside of the rally out through the back door. they were very whipped up as well. inside mothers who lost their children to illegal or undocumented immigrants were feeding red meat to that crowd telling them that these immigrants are not coming here for a better life. claiming that they're coming here to steal jobs, to pillage this country and to kill their
children. >> katy, since we've got you here and you were at these situations and protest, what is the mix of those out there is it mostly latino american, or a mix of others? asian american is also a big part of this state and they care about immigration there as well. >> reporter: it's a mix definitely. i think the majority of them have been latino protesters. but there are certainly white people, black folks, asian folks. it is definitely a mix. but the majority are latinos. and the majority have been organized protesters who we see come out to these events. protests from local unions, protests from the democratic party here in san diego. and then also grassroots organizations that come out to these things rather regularly. they do have a pretty large regular organized protester contingent here in this state in california. you see them every may first
they call it may day large scale protests -- there's a little girl dancing behind my live shot. and often they are protesting at least in the last ten months donald trump. >> well, there on the boardwalk a busy day. we also have people strolling in the background behind you. and of course on a nice day why wouldn't you do that? the very latest for us katy tur in san diego talking about the trump protest. appreciate it, katy. >> reporter: thank you, richard. >> joining us political correspondent for reuters and msnbc political analyst and columnist for the daily beast. thank you for being here. luciana, we're in california, katy telling us about the protest, this is not the biggest prize butted biggest state when we look at the number of immigrants. over 10 million. there's no state that has the same number. and the complexity of this idea of what immigration reform is. what is it that you think is being accomplished when we have these protests that do have an element of violence?
and might this counter program what they're trying to get done? >> i think one danger is that we forget donald trump came up through reality television where what gets the cameras? conflict. this kind of conflict is what has been driving his message. this sort of us versus them dynamic. so when you have these protests on television that look violent, you have the police officer, the symbol of law and order holding back these protesters. in some ways that actually plays into the narrative of his campaign and what his supporters like about him. >> so, jonathan, if this is playing into his narrative, let's take this forward then to the general as we get closer to that. because this is really what the question might be, are we going to see these sorts of events, which we asked earlier in the primary season, do you see this being consistent in this issue of immigration being one of the key points of protest? >> yeah, well, i hope it's not the question. i hope the question is will america let a con man become president of the united states. there's a lot of evidence that we all know about that he's a con man. >> don't hold back, jonathan.
>> well, at a certain point, you know, we're in the truth business. we have to tell people the truth. before an important election with stakes that are this high. so i think the issue is violent versus nonviolent. >> uh-huh. what do you see when you see this? >> when you see that i agree. i think that plays right into trump's hands. if there's any violence of any kind that plays into trump's hands. however, if it's very loud but peaceful protest, what that does is help drive turnout against trump. you have to keep the heat on. you have to keep people reminded in a short attention span world that he is a threat to immigration of all kinds, immigrants of all kinds, most americans are the children or grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants, and that he is very much not in the american grain in his views on immigration. that message has to be driven home over and over and over
again, or else he becomes a symbol of the resentments that people feel and could go on and win this election. so it's very important that latinos and others continue to keep this on the boil, but just not in a violent way. at both the cleveland and philadelphia conventions. >> and you've got to ask, luciana, whether it will actually work though. whether it's resonating. is it resonating at all with the key swing vote? which is different in different places. >> i think one thing we have to remember too is it can't just all be anti-trump. there also has to be something to give people hope, some reason to have people come out. if it's all negative, then you run the risk of people saying, well, what am i going to do anyway? you have to give people some kind of alternative. so there does have to be a discussion of donald trump holding him accountable for the things he's said and done and his policy proposals, but there has to be an alternative. >> i want to ask you about also before we get to you here, jonathan, this debate that was supposed to happen yesterday. i'm sort of shifting gears a
little bit. i want to put chris's report together with katy's report and that is there's going to be a debate between the two candidates and then trump says yesterday, nope, not going to happen. >> i think my favorite part of the statement was where he called it inappropriate -- what has trump ever called inappropriate? >> thought it was inappropriate for hillary to go to the bathroom in the middle of the debate. >> their biological functions. so i think that was my favorite part of his statement. >> but why? why did he step away from this? >> why would he do it? why would he give sanders that platform? that's not trump's playbook. trump's playbook is say what you want to say, attach some kind of little epithet or word to your opponent's name and repeat it over and over and over again until that sinks into people's consciousness and run with it. >> he's scared. donald trump is a deeply insecure person. nobody brags -- >> he didn't feel like he could win? >> oh, no, he definitely felt like he might not win. >> quote/unquote, right. >> so he told jimmy kimmel he
was going to do it because like any bully on the playground i can take him on. but when it came to actually doing it, of course he backed down because he's like all bullies, he's a coward underneath being a bully. it's somebody has to figure out how to strip away that veneer of confidence to show the insecure little boy underneath. you know, who did -- his father had to co-sign for all of his loans. he didn't make any of his own money. he wouldn't have been able to do any of his deals without daddy. his daddy actually had to buy chips at atlantic city casino to bail him out. why am i mentioning all of this? because i do think that just to get back to latinos and the latino vote for a minute. >> right. >> you have to keep the negative pressure up to drive turnout. if latinos can turnout in larger numbers -- >> across the country in swing states, right. >> it's much more important than these white or working class men that we've been talking about a
lot. if they can turn out 70% for hillary the way they did for barack obama and turn out in large enough numbers, hillary will win the election. >> i want to add five more minutes to the segment but my executive producer will kill me for that. stick around, you will be here later in the day, so thank you so much for your perspectives in this first segment. appreciate it. we'll have more to come. the work underway right now to nominate a third option for that november ballot, the libertarian party today picking its candidate in orlando. we'll hear from one of the candidates vying to be their presidential nominee. don't let dust and allergies get between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. so you can seize those moments, wherever you find them.
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libertarians. former republican new mexico governor gary johnson, who ran on the libertarian ticket in 2012, is now polling in double digits against donald trump and hillary clinton in two polls. msnbc is live at the libertarian convention happening right now in orlando, florida. tony, with those numbers as they grow, you know, gary johnson must like that. but what are you seeing? what's the sort of energy there at the conference how things are playing out there on day two of the convention? >> reporter: day two is very exciting and the energy is off the charts. they are one hour away from a crucial vote in who participates in a crucial debate tonight on c-span and who will have a primary position in the nomination contest tomorrow morning. this is a very big deal. for many americans the libertarian party is still a mystery despite 10% polling figure from gary johnson and help us understand what the party represents now and what it
might represent in the future. i have a guest here kevin mccormick. he's actually a candidate at the moment a bit of a long shot, lifelong libertarian, broke away from the republican party you were raised in. >> yes. >> and decided to launch this campaign in defiance of a trump presidency. tell us more about what libertarian values are to you? >> libertarian values are and what really got me in the party in the first place is we are the only party truly for a smaller government, free speech, personal liberty and privacy. >> smaller government. one of the delegates i spoke with told me that libertarianism is basically personal responsibility, a recognition of other people's rights to do what they please and tolerance. >> yes. >> acceptance. is that a good compilation? >> yes. we say you can do whatever you want, but you need to take responsibility for your consequences. i tell my kids there's good and bad consequences of everything you do in life. people seem to forget if you do something, there is going to be a consequence. it may be good or bad but you need to accept it because you put yourself in that situation. >> the libertarian party right now the leading candidate gary
johnson is polling at 10%. that is enough of the american electorate to completely eclipse a margin of victory in past presidential elections. are you concerned that your party could play a spoiler and become hated by everyone who's a democrat or everyone who's a republican because you cost somebody the election? >> no, and actually the american public needs to start voting with their values and with their principles with who they really agree with. we wouldn't have two of the most hated presidential candidates ever right now if people would vote with their principles. most americans actually believe in the libertarian party and what we side for. the part that's missing is if we actually got 60 electoral votes, we could win the election. >> help me understand, libertarian party supports removal of gun controls and also legalization of drugs. seem like pretty extreme positions in america today. >> it's not that extreme when you think back to just letting you be in control of your own life. >> but you want people to be able to take drugs but also handle firearms. >> you make your own decisions. you know, we have 300 million guns in this country. people have them today. and a lot of those gun owners i
find out out hunting and drinking at the same time, we aren't worried about that. can't really combine the two. you're taking responsibility for your actions, if you do something stupid, you will be held responsible for it. >> now, kevin, you've got about an hour left before a crucial vote that will determine whether you're going to be part of the presidential debates tonight. final message very quickly to potential delegates. >> to potential delegates and everybody in america is we're trying to break the moltd. you need to understand the libertarian party is probably not the party you think it is. there are people like us we are very for your freedoms, and you need to understand that we're out there supporting you and your principles. go find out more about us. >> thank you very much, kevin mccormick. richard, back to you on that point. guns control, drugs also unregulated, what an america that would be. >> great interview, tony. as you started the segment and interview, not a lot of folks do know what the libertarian party stands for. great discussion on what this particular candidate though a long shot his view of what the
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manu manuel. doctor, thanks for meeting with us today. zeke, what is this gene? >> so this gene is resistant to the sort of last resort antibiotic, which is actually a very old antibiotic. and that's what has everyone scared because we thought this antibiotic was still good. there wasn't a resistant gene out there. and that's the scary part. and if we get that resistant gene with a few other resistant genes that are already in bacteria, that is the superbug. >> okay. so this gene attaches itself to other things and makes these other things superbug like. the numbers we have from the cdc, 2 million people infected with drug resistant bacteria every year. 23,000 people dying from such infections. >> yeah. >> how risky -- >> it's about $20 billion in health care costs per year. >> and $20 billion on top of that. so if this gene attaches itself to other bacteria, how big of a problem are you thinking this could become?
>> i mean, that's a huge problem. that's the scary scenario because we don't have an antibiotic that can treat it. and to attack this problem, we really need two sort of approaches. one is to reduce our use of antibiotics when they're inappropriate and unnecessary. and it's estimated in the hospital as much as 50% of antibiotics used are inappropriate. and in physician offices it's about a third of them are inappropriate. we have to stop the inappropriate prescribing. >> right. >> and then we need to actually create more incentives to develop more antibiotics. we only have 37 antibiotics in development. we have hundreds of drugs for most other diseases, mental health diseases there's over 160 drugs in development. we need to create more incentives. >> i want to get to that in just a bit. but let me ask you about this mcr-1 gene, has it always been out there? is it something new? how did it come to be? >> we don't know. that's part of the big issue.
and also most importantly how did this woman from the military get it, where did she get it. we know that the antibiotic closten being used in china with animals. and that's part of the worry. we really have to stop using it everywhere. >> so this gene attaches itself to bacteria. the cdc as you've been talking about they've been sounding the alarm about drug resistant bacteria for many years as you know. drug companies question here there's not a lot of r & d necessarily or at least outcomes that are efficient or efficacious, why and what do we need to do? spend more money, is that what it is? >> well, part of the problem is the price of antibiotics. the price of antibiotics are very low. and that causes two preverse incentives. one, it makes it easy for doctors to use and patients to take if they're not expensive. >> right. >> the second is means drug companies are not that interested in investing in the r & d side of it because there's
more money to be made in lots of other drugs that have a better financial return. >> how do you fix that, doctor? >> what'd you say? >> how do you fix this, then? >> well, we need to change the financial returns. it doesn't look like we're going to pay more for antibiotics. so we have to change how we pay drug companies for developing antibiotics. >> okay. while we got you here, dr. manuel, the question about the zika virus. as you know many experts, about 150 health experts saying the olympics, you know, it should be postponed, should be moved, w.h.o. saying no everything is okay. there's no significant consideration or at least no significant reason to alter this potentiality. what do you think? >> wow. let's just talk about the facts on the ground. >> okay. >> after you pour billions of dollars into constructing an every four-year olympics, you're not likely to pull out unless you have a major plague or major
flu epidemic. zika, while very serious and terrible consequences in terms of microcephaly is not a major plague or major flu epidemic. so my betting is whatever the health worries are, it isn't going to be canceled. >> okay. dr. ezekiel manuel on this holiday weekend. thank you for being here today. >> you bet. take care. after protests at both donald trump rallies yesterday in california, there are some new questions being raised about the gop convention in cleveland. and if that city is ready to handle massive protests against the presumptive gop nominee. (war drums beating)
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the massive protests outside though both of trump's california rallies yesterday. the question folks are asking is could this be a harbinger of future difficulties for the republican party particularly for the summer's convention that begins july 18th. luciana lopez joining us and also former senior advisor to governor pataki. tell us what you think, donald trump protest here outside, talk about cleveland, are they ready for this? they have some $50 million that they're using, they received federal moneys to handle this convention. do you think we're going to see more of this, these protests there? and is cleveland ready? >> there's a logistical question. >> right. >> is cleveland ready. but the political question works in trump's favor. if you look back to reagan and look back to nixon, massive protests at san francisco state university.
>> right. >> these protests work in donald trump's favor. it's me, us, versus them. and that's what he's talking about. i hope cleveland's going to be ready. >> they have not been showing the permits as fast as philadelphia has been doing. what is it that you're watching to make sure that they are ready? you've been to a couple of these before. >> i have. but i think that more than anything we've seen and this may go back to chicago in '68, there are going to be a lot of protests. and it's up to local, state, secret service, et cetera, they're going to have to get their house in order because you're going to have people -- in new york city remember they had them cordoned off a little bit. they'll have to do the same thing in cleveland to make it safe and secure. and now trump wants go outside. he's looking for a bigger venue. there's a lot of consideration there. >> he'll be in the straights, he'll be in the convention hall, he'll be everywhere no doubt if he gets his way from what we hear. luciana, stay on the convention, because now typically conventionally it's been where the vice presidential nominee is also announced. and "the washington post" has
put together a list here along with some others, but i'll just read some of the names here. they've got newt gingrich, governor mary fallon of oklahoma, grandchildren chris christie, senator bob corker and senator joni ernst of iowa. and saying picking a woman or minority would be, quote, pandering, and your idea of pandering? >> first of all donald trump is going to do what donald trump wants to do paul manafort's words notwithstanding. i don't think it's that conventional view of the map that we're used to with delegates, i think it's someone he needs -- >> what does he need? >> someone that can play into that. joni ernst for example is fantastic at that, push that narrative. his campaign hasn't been one of, well, where do i spend money on ads? it's really been about where can
i forward a narrative that is going to really capture people's imaginations and make them identify with me as someone like them even though i'm a billionaire new york real estate developer. >> tom, what's his gap? >> i really think it's down to two in my mind. i think it's gingrich or corker. and i think corker being a former developer, i think they have a little bit a lot in common there. the foreign policy, chairman of the foreign relations committee would help him a lot. ernst is relatively new where corker's been a u.s. senator for some time now, foreign relations committee, et cetera. i think the smart egs choice actually for him because i think the vice president is irrelevant under a trump is he has a relationship with christie. he doesn't have to worry about the balance. trump is not a i have to pick somebody from a certain location. >> and he does function best when it's all by himself and just himself. that's actually leading the narrative. along those lines of picking a
vice presidential running mate here, is perhaps what business likes. i want to read this the business community according to "los angeles times" writing this saying the business world by and large has been laying low unwilling to associate publicly with a man who's highly contentious positions and free willing talk have raised concerns among a lot of ordinary americans. throw on top of that the "new york times" doing analysis of the top two -- 200 top companies. the ceos, none of them have given a dollar to donald trump. the big winner you see here from corporate america is john kasich. luciana, is that where he should be going? >> toward john kasich? >> yeah. does he need to cater from the business community? he's from business theoretically. >> that hasn't been the narrative of his campaign. he's really been appealing to those people who feel like the political class has abandoned them and hasn't really done anything for them all these
years. that's one concern i have with bob corker as a potential v.p. pick is corker is very anti-union. as much as we've had unions come out and the aflcio come out and try to really beat trump, there are a lot of rank and file union members, especially in industrial states in the rust belt and swing states that actually like donald trump because of his message of america first. i think bob corker might put that at risk. >> tom, last word, to you reflecting on how ceos not liking necessarily donald trump at zero dollars so far this election cycle. >> do you really want your corporation branded by trump? that's what it really comes down to. i think that at the end you're the ceo of a corporation. branding it with trump right now i don't think gets you a lot. you got to be worried about workers, the hispanic community, the asian american community, a lot of communities are concerned about being branded with trump. >> tom, thank you so much. tom doherty as well as luciana lopez. next, eyes on the skies with
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welcome back. forecasters saying a tropical storm is expected to hit the southeastern united states early tomorrow. the storm could trigger dangerous rip currents from the carolinas all the way down today toe na beach, florida. outer bands of that system are expected to start dropping rain later this afternoon. that tropical system adding to a week of wild weather across america that we've been watching. in texas two people dead after severe storms and flooding northeast of houston. and in kansas severe thunderstorms there spawning tornadoes. nbc's janet shamlian is covering all that for us live from outside houston in tomball, texas. this on a very key holiday weekend here, janet. >> reporter: it's no holiday here for people in tomball. let me show you some of what's going on here. this is what we're seeing over and over again, the sheriff's department going out and bringing people in who've been
cut off from this road by the high water. their homes are not necessarily flooded, but they cannot get in or out. so if they want to go to the store, if they want to do anything, they've got to rely on the goodness of strangers wo who have a boat or from the harris county sheriff's department who has been here 24/7 working to try to help people in this neighborhood. you can see -- i don't know if you can -- guy, are you able to see the vehicle down there in the water? this water is going down very quickly, richard, but that is like no consolation right now for the people in these neighborhoods who are having to deal with the water and the problems. and it's not like this has never happened here. it was five weeks ago that houston had this historic 500-year flooding. and people thought they wouldn't see it again for a very long time but yet here we are and you can see the situation here. it is truly no holiday here in the houston area for people affected by this flooding. >> live in the houston area, nbc's janet shamlian.
janet, thank you so much for that. we're learning more about the pilot who died when his vintage world war ii fighter plane crashed in the hudson river off new york city late friday. nbc's morgan radford is near the site where the plane went down in manhattan. morgan, what is happening today with that investigation? >> reporter: well, richard, just behind me is where 56-year-old pilot bill gordon's plane went down here in the hudson river last night at 7:30 p.m. now, witnesses of this nearby restaurant say they could actually see the plane not completely nose dive, but depreciated altitude very quickly, bounced twice as smoke came out from the plane. and they could see the pilot trying to release himself from the cockpit. unfortunately it was too late. authorities were able to discover that plane three hours later. and they told me today that they had to pull his body from that plane. so he was still trapped inside. they're unclear as to whether or not he died upon impact. but, richard, just to give you a bit of context, this is a small vintage world war ii plane. it's called a p-47. it was actually entered into
service in 1942. so he was actually flying here to show the showcase for what was roughly 75 years of service for this plane. so certainly a tragic turn of events for memorial day. but today that plane's lifted from the boat here. they had it placed on a barge. the barge took it down to lower manhattan and that's where it's sitting on a dock currently being inspected. richard, i saw that plane and the plane looks virtually unharmed. it's remarkably still in tact, the wings are still there. the wings are slightly bent, but even authorities told me today they were surprised given the severity of the accident that the plane really sustained very little damage. so they're investigating it now looking for any signs of what seems to be a mechanical failure. and, richard, we're still keeping our eyes and ears out looking to see if we can figure out exactly what happened late last night. >> morgan, thank you. nbc's morgan radford for us. appreciate that. next, the latest on the fight between 12 states and the feds over transgender bathroom rights in america's public schools. we'll speak with a reporter in
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and welcome back. the white house is facing fierce backlash over its new transgender directive in public schools. 12 states now suing the obama administration challenging the directive to allow students to use bathrooms based on the gender that they identify with. texas is leading the lawsuit to block the bathroom policy. last year in houston lgbt rights suffered a major setback when a proposition that would legalize transgender bathrooms was struck down. here's a glimpse of the political ad campaigns against transgender bathroom rights. >> any man at any time could enter a woman's bathroom simply by claiming to be a woman that day. no one is exempt. even registered sex offenders could follow women or young girls into the bathroom. and if a business tried to stop them, they'd be fined. protect womens privacy, prevent
danger, vote no on the proposition 1 bathroom ordinance. it goes too far. >> joining me now from austin, tx, reporter for the texas tribune, morgan smith. morgan, as we look at the 12 states i was talking about, we look at what's happening in texas, what are everyday folks saying about this controversy over transgender bathroom right sns. >> you know, i think that it's something that is very much on the minds of probably people who are advocates and activists on both sides. when you go to the everyday person who's not involved in politics, it might not be something that they're necessarily aware of. but when you go to the state party republican convention, for instance, that's something that is -- was all the talk. and i think the ad -- the clip you just played encapsulates a lot of kind of the fear that's out there. a lot of it based on misinformation. >> based on misinformation. if you had to say which way it
leaned in terms of public opinion, any sense or anything that's been written either in your papers or others? >> you know, public opinion is not something that we have really looked at. we've looked at kind of the politics of it. i think in the state republican party right now this is a red hot issue. it's something that statewide -- all of our statewide leaders are republican, it's something they are certainly being asked about constantly what their position is on it. >> sure. >> so it's something that, you know, certainly isn't going to be disappearing from the discussion any time soon. >> let's talk about that. you're talking about the state house, you're talking about the state government here. texas attorney general ken paxton was asked that question you just talked about. your thoughts, your opinion. this is what he told alex witt addressing the state's position on transgender bathroom rights. let's take a listen to that. >> this should not be pushed on us by an administration that is overreaching. the obama administration doesn't follow the constitutional process. they end up acting like a king.
>> how do you see leadership there in texas, which you said is mostly republican at this point. how do you see them using or leveraging or discussing this manner as we move towards november? >> so, i mean, this is something that is a classic issue really for texas leaders to take ahold of because it's something that allows them to talk about the federal overreach. you know, if you ask paxton, you might ask governor greg abbott about it and they might say, well, yes, this issue of who uses what restroom is important to us. we have fears about it. but what we're really talking about is the federal government coming into our state and telling us what to do and going around the democratic process to do that. >> one of the points that you were watching on this beat that you've been covering here for the texas tribune, you said that a statewide potential here bathroom law may be in the works for 2017 when lawmakers do come back to austin for that legislative session, which
starts in january. is that most likely to happen. is that what watchers are seeing? >> so i think there will most definitely be a -- some type of variation of a statewide bathroom law bill brought up when lawmakers come back to austin in 2017. that's still a ways away, but this issue seems like it's not going anywhere especially among leaders in the republican party. >> what does the transgender community or those who support the rights of transgender people, what are they saying in the state of texas? >> you know, i think this is pretty distressing on a lot of different levels. i think while there's virtually no evidence to show of any harm or danger coming to someone in a state where the policy is that people are allowed to use bathrooms based on which gender they identify with rather than what's on their birth
certificate. but on the other hand there is evidence to show that a lot of kind of the fear brought up about this issue, the discussion of it in kind of the political arena can lead to a lot more stigmatization of transgender people and of the issue. and a lot of misunderstandings there. so i think it's something that's pretty -- it's a difficult conversation that's happening. >> in the 30 seconds we have, what has that community done as this debate moves forward now that texas, the biggest state here of the 12 is pushing against what the federal government is doing? are they part of that discussion with the state government? >> you know, i think that they would like to be a part of it. i don't know that state leaders are really including them in these kinds of discussions. but, you know, i wouldn't be surprised if there were some type of legal action perhaps taken questioning whether texas even has a standing to file this lawsuit. part of it is based on school districts. and we've had no school districts who have actually lost
federal funding. so there could be a question brought up of whether or not texas can even file this lawsuit. >> morgan smith, thank you so much from the texas tribune. the great state of texas. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> you bet. that does it for this hour. thanks for joining me. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york. see you back here at 4:00 p.m. eastern. my good friend and colleague frances rivera picks up coverage next. that is next stick around. i'm mary ellen, and i quit smoking with chantix. i have smoked for 30 years
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