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libertarian party candidate for the presidency. he has won with 55.8% of the vote. the first round was very, very close loss for him. it was a 49.5% vote that he had gotten. needed just a few more delegates. there was some concern this was going to be back and forth. it was quite a raucous hallway. there were concerns that that vote would go well into the night, but it did not. he has again secured the libertarian party candidacy. and that nomination for president at 55.8% of the vote. next up, will be the somewhat controversial vote for his particular choice as his running mate. that is for william weld, the popular governor of massachusetts who has been out of politics for acadebout a dec and a half. he was not well received in his speech to the libertarian group there, but we will see what
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happens with that vote and keep you apprised of that. let's get now to the other political headlines. reaction from senator diane feinstein essentially calling on her colleague senator bernie sanders to drop out of the race. >> senator sanders has the right to run, no question. he ought to be able to read the signposts as well as anybody else. and if he did that, he would know that it's all but over. >> on meet the press this morning bernie sanders warned hillary clinton that she will lose the election unless she picks this type of running mate. >> i would hope, if i am not the nominee, that the vice presidential candidate will not be from wall street, will be somebody who has a history of standing up and fighting for working families, taking on the drug companies whose greed is doing so much harm, taking on wall street, taking on corporate america and fight for a government that works for all of us, not just the 1%. >> sanders is wrapping up a full
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week of campaigning in california today with two events. at this hour, it is a done deal at the libertarian convention there in orlando. gary johnson is the official libertarian party candidate for the presidency. up next, they'll take that vote for the vice presidential nomination. william weld an iffy pick right now. gary johnson may not continue as a candidate if he doesn't get the guy he wants to run with, that being william weld. meantime, donald trump saying i don't want to talk about my alcoholism. so why would he talk about my foolishly perceived racism. that was the back and forth in the "new york times." here's what weld told our reporters about trump at that libertarian convention. >> i still do.
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i have real issues with the way he conducted himself in certain aspects of the campaign throughout the campaign. that remains. he's now the republican nominee or presumptive nominee and will be the nominee. i think he has an opportunity to enter a second phase in his campaign. >> the judge has ordered the release of internal trump university documents. the ruling was issued on the same day of that rally after the "washington post" requested the documents be made public. a bit later today donald trump will join rolling thunder for its memorial day event in washington, d.c. we bring you a live picture of rolling thunder. they're all gathering in d.c. looks like hundreds are there already. kelly, what kind of message do you expect trump to make at the
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rally's event. any needs up on that. >> reporter: i because this is rolling thunder, the 29th year when those on bikes and those just on their two legged power and those who are just here to absorb the sun and to celebrate the service of veterans come together here in washington, d.c. on the national mall. and so aides to donald trump say his message today will be more focused toward veterans, their service and what they mean to the country. now, that is a part of what we normally hear from donald trump out on the campaign trail. i've been to many of his events and he talks about the fact that he believes that veterans are not treated well in our country. there's been a lot of criticism of the veterans administration with things like the healthcare
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system within the v.a. that's part of what trump talks about. today of course is part of a patriotic weekend where sacrifice and service is commemorated. donald trump himself has not served in the armed forces, his children have not. so that is something that he may be able to give some sort of a nod to, the fact that he is someone who did not put the uniform on but tries to shuts those who have. if he becomes the president, commander in chief, that's one of the areas where we've heard a lot of criticism on his readiness on foreign policy and things lak s like that. it's a hot sunny day, there's live music happening here. lots of individuals to s of vis lincoln memorial. we're hearing the harleys that have shut down -- donald trump is bringing a different element to it with his campaign.
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we've been asked by some of the passers by here. he's expected around 2:30. just recently tweeted he's on his way to join rolling thunder and watch it all unfold here. tweets are a big statement from donald trump. it's one of the main ways his campaign gets the word out. our understanding is he is in route from new york and heading here to d.c. to speak in the next hour, hour and 20 minutes. >> okay. we'll look forward to it. let's turn now to the democrats. nbc's kristin welker is joining me now. as you know, bernie sanders has spent this past week in california. how big a deal is it, senator diane feinstein saying it's okay, bernie sanders needs to get out of the race? >> reporter: it's significant to the extent there seems to be a growing chorus of democrats, of secretary clinton supporters now pressuring senator sanders to the not get out of the race, to
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scale back his attacks. he isn't being impacted by any of this. he's firm that he's going to finish this race. he has been vigorously campaigning there. he's out spending secretary clinton in ads two to one. and he told me he expects to have more than 200,000 people out at rallies before the june 7th primary. he has to not only win california in order to catch up to secretary clinton in the pledged delegate couldn't. he's got to win the vast majority. >> reporter: if you don't win, california, will you drop out? >> let's not even get into speculation. i think we are going to win california and do very well in the remaining states. i don't like to speculate in the future. right now our job is to win the nomination. >> secretary clinton has been aggressively campaigning in california as well.
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very serious about clenching a win in california, because for her it is about momentum, alex. if she wins a state as large as california, she would head into the convention on solid ground. and that's what she wants. she also has very much started to pivot to the general election, increasing her attacks against donald trump. particularly this week after he clenched the nomination. i anticipate we're going to see a whole lot more of that in the coming days and weeks. and over shadowing everything, that e-mail controversy came back this week, that scathing report by the i.g. saying she didn't handle her e-mails properly by using a private server as secretary of state. that's something that could haunt her well into the general. let's get more now on the breaking news we told you about at the top of the hour, gary johnson just winning the libertarian party nomination. and joining me now from that convention in orlando is matt
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welch, editor in chief of reason magazine. thank you for being here. >> reporter: with libertarians you're always in the right spot, alex. >> that's true. yesterday was just entirely entertaining watching them come out and make their case for each other. let's talk about the percentage of never donald trump, nor hillary voters whom you think will accept gary johnson as an alternative presidential choice. >> reporter: well, we've seen the three times when he's been put into national polls and he usually is not. but the three times that he has been, he's gotten 10-11% of the vote out there. their campaign right now is saying, just put us in the polls because a lot of those people are voting for him without knowing anything really about him, although he's a somewhat known character as a two-time governor of new mexico and the candidate last time around. when you have 20% in both major party campaigns of their own base saying we're not sure we're
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going to vote for our own nominee, there is kind of an opportunity that people are smelling here that they've never really had that sense before. it's part of the reason why they elected to go the kind of pragmatic route instead of a purely idealistic libertarian -- gary johnson in many ways, is the biggest libertarian switch out there. he was not a purist on some of the issues that long time activists will be. this is a unique opportunity to capitalize on the opportunity with donald trump and hillary voters. >> talk about the difference between the last circle where gary got certainly less than 1% of the total national vote but it still was 1.2 million people. talk about the tenor of that election versus what he faces this time if he's even able to get on the ballots as he needs to do and get into the polls so he can get onto the debate
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stages which is target one for them. >> reporter: they will get on the ballot. that's the prize that the libertarian party has worked for such a long time to achieve. it's getting on all 50 ballots which some of the green party cannot do. what's different is that you have the two most unpopular major party candidates in modern history. we've never seen unfavorability numbers like this on either side. in both senses you have from a libertarian point of view, two most kind of status republicans. donald trump is a big government republican. hillary clinton is within the context of the democratic party a more big government democrat. she's being pulled to the left by bernie sanders. not the good ones necessarily like legalizing marijuana and that kind of stuff. if you believe in the idea that americans have a thick libertarian streak -- gallup puts the number at around 27%.
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that's the voting bloc even if they don't use that word to describe themselves. they don't have a home this year and it's so obvious they don't have a home this year, more obvious than ever before. in a black swan political year, which this is, who knows what's going to happen. >> so if he does get a healthy percentage in november, from whom does he steal more votes? >> reporter: you know, i think it's a real toss-up at this point. you would think it must be republicans because donald trump is uniquely horrible. but lately you see the unfavorability rates of both candidates be about the same. within their own parties, i mean. this party has been around since 1971. the people who are attracted to it are attracted pretty i quaeq to it by the pure social
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freedom. these people have been wanting to legalize marijuana and gave marriage since the '70s. and tolerance for immigrants and these kind of things. i think it's going to be about equal. talking to activists and people who number crunch among the people here, their general spread on this is they think it's going to be a third democrat, a third republican and just a third people who otherwise would not vote. >> you know, matt, it may have been six months ago or so when you and i were talking about donald trump's prospects for the gop nomination. i recall that you did not give it a high probability, along with everyone else at the time. now he has passed the delegate threshold, do you think there's one overriding reason why he won? >> reporter: that's a great question. i mean, i think it's an expression of total user disgust with politics and with the way that we talk and deal about
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politics. it's tied up with the reason why bernie sanders has been so popular. and bernie sanders is not a democrat, right? people who say things that you're not supposed to say and advocate for policies that you're not supposed to advocate, have a unique opportunity this time around. we all underestimated the level of disgust people have and their willingness to kind of go a little bit anarchist, just let's tear down institutions. you have two outsiders bringing all the juice in the major party campaigns right now. i think that's a reflection of broad american kind of disgust, not necessarily with status quo of what american life is like, but they just hate the political class in all senses. i think it's that more than anything else. >> thanks so much. enjoy the convention. four big mistakes, how could they cost hillary clinton the
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hillary clinton's once thought insurmountable lead in polls is now vanishing to donald trump. joining me now david bernstein who wrote this article. it's a heck of an article. let's talk about it. your list, first of all, taking hispanic enthusiasm for granted, then alienating the young voter,
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letting establishment politics find another place to go and fumble on trade. wi why did you pick these four? >> i was looking state by state at how the electoral college votes could add up for donald trump. a lot of these close states could actually go to donald trump while the democrats win states like new york, california and elsewhere by very large margins. he could pick off enough states through these types of demographics and swaths of votes specific to those states. >> you say that clinton is already making all of these mistakes. how so? >> i think for instance you take the hispanic vote and of course it's a long way out, but that's sort of what i've been hearing from hispanic organizers and advocates, saying that on the
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ground they're worried that this anti-trump feeling that is definitely out there among hispanic americans, will that enthusiasm translate into votes five months from now? will it turn into a high voter turnout among hispanic americans that will give nevada and colorado and florida to hillary clinton. and they're worried that the hillary clinton campaign may be taking those hispanic votes for granted when there's nothing definitely saying that energy is going to translate into votes yet. similarly, you see what's happening with the bernie sanders campaign. what are they doing so far to turn those young votes into democratic voters for the fall rather than maybe staying at home? we're not seeing, according to some people i talk to, enough of that messaging and tactics yet. >> so in summary, here's what you write in this piece. in part, it reads like this,
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what's clear is that democrats can no longer count on a lopsided race that even a problematic candidate can't lose. demographics are not destiny. in fact, they can be a disaster waiting to happen. how must the clinton campaign and the democratic party get back on track? >> i think part of it is not being so overly cautious and calcula calculating. i think that there are things they're planning to do. but you look at how protected she is and how they're planning to and seem to already be trying to win by going after donald trump. and that's not bringing up her own numbers, you know. and when you look again at these specific groups that i'm talking about in the specific states, they need a positive reason to come out in favor of her. and if she's playing safely to her base, if she's playing the
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attack game but not really coming out with a strategy to really sell herself to these specific groups in these specific states, i think that's what she has to change course on and over come. >> your point number four about fumbling on trade, the fact is that clinton is leading trump in rust belt states like ohio. >> i think that her numbers do look good in ohio, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. but you're looking at states where it's some 20-25% of the vote there is in the general election are union households. and they may not go along with what the unions are telling them to do. unions are obviously going to be with hillary clinton in the fall. but a lot of those union households, you saw how they reacted when both bernie sanders and donald trump came through during the primaries and talked about nafta and the tpp and
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other trade issues. hillary clinton has not really effectively countered that. if you see trump really going back to those states and hammering away those messages, you could see some of that vote start to peel off. >> david, thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. will america be captivated by the remake of roots like it was 40 years ago? that's next. this is claire in phoenix. can i help you? yes! great. correct! ma'am. this isn't an automated computer... operator! ma'am. i'm here. i'm live. wait. you're real? yeah. with discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u.s. day or night. plus, we're not going to waste your time trying to sell you a bunch of other products you don't really need. that is really nice of you. i feel really bad about shouting at you. oh, you weren't shouting. you were just speaking in all caps. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. 100% u.s.-based customer service. here to help, not to sell. you stay up.
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♪ wow. nearly 40 years after the epic miniseries roots debuted, the history channel will air a remake of the iconic story for four consecutive nights starting
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this monday. joining me the author of the social life of dna. welcome to you. did you watch the whole roots miniseries, the original? >> i did watch the original as a child. i remember very well watching it with my parents. they were very strict about bedtimes and allowed us to stay up to watch the whole thing. >> i feel like i can remember almost every scene, it was to profound. why do you think it's important for the history channel to remake roots rather than perhaps air the original? >> i've only seen two of the four nights but the remade roots really draws on new historical information that we didn't have before. and it's also just better made. the quality of it, the episodes i've seen are cinematic in their quality. they're quite beautiful. i think it needed some updating
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visually and cinematically as well. it was an important story then and now because it allows us to have some important conversations about the history of race in this country that are still necessary. >> in another conversation, we're going to play a sound bite from. this is actor levar burton. he explained why the producer decided to remake his father's film. >> he said that he had shown it, the original to his children. and it was difficult to get them to sit still. they thought it was old. it felt dated. it didn't have relevance to them in their lives. they said, you know, dad, we get why it's important. but it's kind of like your music, it doesn't speak to us. >> do you think this remake is going to resonate with young viewers like it did with us? >> sure. they've got some young actors, the actors that would be more familiar to this young
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generation. it's also got quicker editing. it's just done in a very contemporary style that's very different from the version of 1977. i think also some of the young people today will have watched it in school or with their family over holidays, the original. and i think will be curious about the remake as well. >> this is airing on the history channel. it will be at least the first night simultaneously cast on a&e and lifetime. it's not like the days of the big three networks and that was it. that commanded such a huge focus across the country. so much more fractured today's tv. do you think that will have an effect? >> roots comes on before most of us even had vhs if you can think about that old technology. it won't be the same collective experience, all of us sitting around watching the tv for the
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few hours it's on in the evening. it will allow a kind of amplification so you can watch it all at once in an afternoon in that kind of binge viewing way. in 1977 you weren't able to watch it for a year later. there are so many ways that the message of this can be amplified in a moment of social media and dvrs that couldn't happen before. >> is there a legacy of roots when it comes to the popularity of genetic an ses -- >> to the extent that genetic genealogy is important today it owes everything to roots example in showing others how to trace
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americans. i look forward to bearing that message. he also warned that in the next round of voting, the vote for the vice presidential candidate, which is not automatically selected by the candidate who wins the nomination for president, he warned if he doesn't get his preferred pick, bill weld, former governor of massachusetts, he doesn't think the party is going to succeed. >> we're going to move onto the vice president. if it's not bill weld, i don't think we have the opportunity of being elected president of the united states. >> reporter: so what you have there, alex, is governor johnson saying that if bill weld is not his vice president pick, he may or may not go forward, but whatever the case, it will not be as strong a ticket as it would be with weld and johnson.
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what he's looking for here is to former republican governors to be united on the libertarian ticket and pull votes away from the two other parties, democrat and republican. and he said for the first time ever really make a third party viable in america. you have a permanently fractured three party system starting this november. let's bring in california democratic congressman john garamendi. >> i don't think so. not much from the democratic side. certainly from the republican side. the libertarian parties always come out of that particular sector of the political scene. so yeah, i think it's a real problem for the republicans and obviously there's a lot of disaffection, a lot of unhappiness about donald trump. so it's a threat to the republicans for sure. >> that race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders appears to be tightening. there's a new poll which shows
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hillary clinton just two points ahead of bernie sanders. does it matter -- i mean, is clinton the inevitable nominee? >> yes, absolutely. if it's 50-50 or 52-48, still it's only going to be a handful of delegates one way or the other. the big numbers are going to go to hillary. she's very very close to getting the number of pledge delegates that she needs. there's also pennsylvania and new jersey and a couple of other sta sta states. she may very well be able to have all the pledge delegates and game's over. in fact, the game is over anyway. it's just a question of how we wrap it up so that the democrats come together. that's really up to bernie right now. >> a lot of people are suggesting that she may have it wrapped up when the polls close on the 7th. let's talk about bernie sanders staying in the race, winning the delegates.
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it gives him a larger say at the july convention in philadelphia. is that a good thing? >> sure, it is. bernie has a good message, a message that obviously resonated across the nation. it's a democratic message. it's not much different than what hillary has said, although he certainly says it in a different way. but it is the democratic message. hillary's right there. it will be the platform. won't be modified all that much from previous platforms. and we'll go forward with the united party. and right now i think we're beginning to see bernie already beginning to pivot. he's not talking much about hillary out here in california other than to say he thinks he could beat trump by a larger number, all well and good. but what's happening is he needs to begin taking on trump. if bernie thinks he's going to be the nominee, he needs to begin to take down trump right now. >> let's get to the state department's inspector general's report on hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server.
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let's listen to what senator diane feinstein said about it this morning. >> hillary herself has said, yes, i made a mistake. if i had a chance to do it over again, i'd do it differently. i mean, what do people want? this goes on and on and on. we're reaching the final stages of a primary. hillary clinton is going to win this primary. i say enough is enough. >> i'm sure you agree with what the senator says. but the lingering nature of this controversy does raise some questions. if she didn't do anything wrong and had nothing to hide, why didn't she cooperate with the not t inspector general? >> i have no idea. i do know secretary powell, secretary rice, the two preceding secretaries used private e-mails just as she said. >> but they didn't set up separate servers. this is where the discrepancy
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lies. >> i'm not sure that is in fact where the discrepancy -- obviously it's different but nonetheless they both used private e-mails. we have no idea what the server was that rice or powell used. that is a big question. we do know her server and we know it was secure. we know there was no breech of t of the security and that the e-mails that went through that server, none of those were classified at the time. just as secretary powell and secretary rice, they went back and reclassified some of her private e-mails. over the passage of time certain things have happened out there in the international world where it is not helpful that some things that were not classified in the press would be out in the public because some names that are undoubtedly in the e-mails at the time. >> i want to ask you about the polls with regard to the head to
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head matchups in the general election. the new polls show that hillary clinton would beat trump by ten points in a national poll. why do you think that is? why does bernie sanders consistently run more strongly against donald trump? >> because bernie sanders has never been hit by a negative ad as has hillary clinton. she has been pummelled with negative ads all across this country. but what is interesting is she's ahead by 10% after all of those negative ads has been out there. she has been pummelled by the republican party for 25 years, yet she's still ahead. this is one strong, resilient woman who is extraordinarily capable who understands the international scene, understands what it takes to be president and most important understands the necessary demeanor that the president of the united states has to have to be the most important political figure in
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>> you have said you will not vote for donald trump. but at this point what is your alternative? >> we don't have a lot of great alternatives, i'll tell you that. hillary clinton, this last i.g. report is damning. i feel like your last guest just glossed over major problems. we don't know that the server was secure. i think she has mislead or lied about it multiple times over the course of the last year and she keeps sticking to her talking points. on the other hand, donald trump doesn't really seem to have any core policies, ideals. he's a complete unknown in the white house at this point. we'll see what the libertarians end up doing with their ticket obviously today. i don't think americans have a great choice and you see that in the negative numbers for these candidates. >> could you conceive of yourself sitting out and not voting? i mean, given who you are, right? >> that would be very tough for me, but we've got a long time.
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november's a way's off. >> how about donald trump backing out of that debate with bernie sanders. should he have? >> it's odd. i thought it was a good opportunity for donald trump. he was going to be able to agree with bernie sanders every time he hit hillary and weaken hillary further. on the other hand, donald trump hasn't done very well in debates against other republicans. it's possible he just doesn't like the format. >> what about his campaign, the fact that he is now narrowing down his list of vice presidential candidates. who do you think would help him win the general election? >> i think being donald trump's vice presidential pick is going to be a tough road away for whoever it is. you've got a candidate who it's hard to say what he'll agree with or disagree with. every time you're going out there and representing the ticket, it's going to be tough to take a position on anything. donald trump switches his position from day to day. so i think that person is going to have a really hard road ahead
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of them. but you know i think some of the names that have been thrown out there are interesting. i think that donald trump will look for someone with a temperament that he can get along with. >> yeah. what's been interesting from the "boston globe" this week, they suggest that the race could change the electoral map. what do you think that would mean in november? >> well, think that donald trump and hillary clinton both represent a departure from previous elections in the sense that donald trump doesn't really have any ideas. i don't think either of them are particularly running on ideas. they're running on personality. hillary clinton is running on, you know, her husband's presidency. it's her turn. she's playing the gender card. and donald trump's running on sort of the opposition to that, against the p.c. culture and that he'll say anything, do anything. who knows? his surprises for foreign leaders. i don't think we'll see
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traditional sides lining up here. on the other hand, i don't know that we're going to throw that many new states into the mix. pennsylvania has been a quasi swing for a while. >> appreciate it. >> thank you. >> honoring the americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. author and filmmaker joins us next. paramedic. the value of nissan's... [safety beeping] intelligent safety shield technologies. whoa! like forward emergency braking that could stop your car for you. save even more with holiday bonus cash this memorial day, during nissan's safety today event. for a limited time, save up to $1,500 on the 2016 nissan rogue with $500 memorial day bonus cash. where can i buy it? sign me up! shop your local nissan store and choosenissan.com today. ♪ and i quit smoking with i'm chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven
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commemoration. and we live in a wonderful modern society. i think it's very easy to sort of lose touch with the fact that people have actually died. young people have died to give us what we have. and that's a very profound thing. >> and in fact, we're still serving in our longest running wars in iraq and afghanistan. do you think that concept is lost on people? that it sort of been pushed aside? >> yeah. the other side, it's the longest running war and also the one that involves the least number of troops. so it's affecting a very small percentage of the country which is a good thing. you know, we look back to world war ii, it was massive and tragic. the upside to that is it engaged the entire society. >> but the down side, i think, can be most profound in the return of our veterans. and you were in the commercial break giving me startling statistics about the level of ptsd that our troops, our veterans have to deal with as
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opposed to other countries. >> i started anthropology in college. if you come back to a cohesive tribal society, that ptsd in other mental illnesses have rirtly nonexistent. and the one -- it's interesting. that's true. and the one modern society that has very low rates is israel. 1%. israel has a 1% ptsd rate. we have a 21% diagnosis rate in the military and almost half the military applied for ptsd disability. to give that context, only one in ten soldiers experience it as combat. so those numbers are very puzzling and i explained it by talking about the complete lack of cohesion and intimacy in the community and to the society that soldiers come home to. >> so this is a cultural problem we have. that's what you're talking about in this book. >> that's right. it's a cultural problem. the sbook about modern society as well as it goes out to -- in
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modern society, the suicide rate goes up. the depression rate goes up. you give modern society a crisis like post 9/11 new york or the blitzen in london, mental health improves after a crisis. so suicide rates went down in new york city after 9/11. the murder rate went down. even ptsd symptoms in vietnam vets improved after 9/11. >> what do you think this fact and all your writing about in tribe says about our country as a whole? >> well, it's our country. it's modern society in general. as we get wealthier, we can lead more and more individualistic lives which is fantastic. we don't wind up living in the neighborhood we grew up. we can move to california if we want. it's wonderful. the down side is that it makes us vulnerable to mental distress, psychological distress. community bufrz afers all of us after psychological distress, including veterans.
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