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knew this sarkar had issues with them. i don't think he knew it would rise to the level of homicide, but he knew he had issues with them. i would assume by his -- by his reaction that he may have known there was issues over this property right thing. >> it's been characterized as a suicide note and a kill list note. are they the same note? >> two different notes, two different locations. the note that was left at the homicide scene doesn't refer to suicide. it is note, an instructional note to the finder to go check on this cat, which we did. and then it also has some verbiage later to the -- to the other potential victim, the professor that survived. and then in the follow-up investigations to st. paul, the investigators, fbi agents working in concert with the robbery-homicide division discovered this other list, the
list that had three names on it and characterized as a kill list. >> is there any -- the professor -- [ inaudible ] -- have you connected any dots? >> not that i know of. >> on the list, other than the names, what you're calling the kill list? did it say anything else? >> no, just the names. >> did either professor expect him to go to the campus? >> he graduated in '13. he'd been living in minnesota for a number of years. you know, i don't think either of them expected to see him. >> are you able to piece together how long he was on campus before the shooting happen happened? and were there any reports that could have led police to him? >> we don't know how long he'd been on campus. i would assume it was a brief amount of time. that's just an assumption. we may find more evidence to that when we recover the vehicle
in that we will find out when it was parked or possibly find out when it was parked. >> so -- so there's nothing to indicate that there was any prior activity. we didn't have any prior calls that i know of, although remember ucla has their own campus police, so they -- there may be something i don't know about. but certainly i didn't get information when i arrived at the scene about prior calls. the only calls i know of were the multiple calls went out when the three rounds were heard by adjoining classrooms. then we had a lot of follow-up sightings that all were determined to be false sightings after the investigation began. >> chief, just to clarify, there have been some posts online where he eluded to a code being stolen or something along those lines. is that something that you are looking at?
>> that appears to be his motive. when i say his motive, there's nothing factual to this. ucla, you know, we have discussed this with ucla and ucla says there is no truth to this. this was a making of his own imagination. so we believe that that may certainly be what was the causal factor. we don't think there's any basis in fact for it. >> and for the killing of the girlfriend? >> i won't characterize it as a girlfriend. i will say we don't know the motive for that. >> just to clarify, the note with reference to the cat, to the address in st. paul, was the shooter's address? >> yes. >> and there you found the kill list? >> yes. >> so he said check on my cat. >> we're not going to check on your cat claudia. >> oh, his own cat. >> his cat. his cat. >> you mentioned that your officers said that it was his intention to kill two
professors. is there anything -- any intention or evidence shows that he was going to make this a much more mass type of killing than what it was, or he just went there, stayed in that room, shot the professor, couldn't find the other one and shot himself? >> that's hard to say at this point in the investigation. certainly, he had enough rounds of ammunition on him and enough -- two pistols, he could have caused many more fatalities than the one. you know, we're still trying to piece together his moviements, you know, through surveillance video, witness interviews, that kind of thing. we'll know better if he did search for the other professor first or -- but we don't know. he may have went to this one first and that was all he could take. we don't know. >> last question! [ multiple speakers ] >> can you talk more about the details surrounding that?
>> we believe the guns were legally purchased. >> i'll take one more because -- >> -- was indeed written by him, the one that references the stolen code? >> we believe these are his blog post. i don't have any way to confirm it. >> no history of mental illness? >> don't know about that. >> did he give up at that point and commit suicide? >> just don't know. certainly the evidence is that he committed suicide immediately after the homicide. >> but it's not clear whether or not he knew that the other professor was not on campus? >> no. i have no way of knowing that. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. >> you've been listening to los angeles police chief charlie beck speaking about that s.w.a.t. search. the resulted in the death of an
associate professor, professor william klug at the hands according to police of a 38-year-old former doctoral student. mainak sarkar was his name. they have also determined they believe sarkar was responsible for the death of a woman outside of minneapolis as well that came as a result of information they say they found in the home of sarkar which is in minnesota, his residence, they found, as it's described by police a kill list that led them to that home in minnesota where they found that woman deceased. no indication, as you heard, from the los angeles police chief charlie beck specifically about the relationship between sarkar, the man who is believed to have taken his own life, the suspect who took his own life yesterday, and that woman. my colleague gadi schwartz is at the news conference. police say they believe in recent days that sarkar drove
from minnesota to los angeles with at least two automatic pistols that he was carrying with him and that there was at least one other ucla professor on his kill list as well. my colleague gadi schwartz now joining us from that news conferen conference. what struck you as we learn more details that give us a better understanding about what exactly this man was hoping to accomplish on this day? >> reporter: something very odd that we're hearing out of this press conference. the chief just wrapped it up. he said that this led them to minnesota was actually the note that they found at the crime scene and there was a mention of his cat. something along the lines of check on my cat or something with the indication that there was a cat in minnesota that investigators should look into. when they went to that address, they found an additional note. i believe on that note, there was a connection to the woman that was found dead in minnesota, killed by an apparent
gunshot wound. so that's kind of the thread. it's been a series of notes that have led investigators to unravel basically this crime spree from minnesota all the way to ucla. we know that there were three names on this alleged kill list. one of them, believed to have been his girlfriend. the other one, the ucla professor that was shot and killed. there was another ucla professor on that list. that professor has been located. he is okay. these are just some of the odd details coming out from this press conference. we also understand the beganman was heavily armed. he had magazines of ammunition in his backpack and may have also had a tactical vest. what lapd is now looking for, they're trying to locate the car that he used to drive from minnesota here to los angeles. and that car is still outstanding. those are the details that are
coming out of this press conferen conference. >> gadi, one of the things we're still trying to determine with better clarity right now, what if any relationship existed between this former doctoral student and william klug. it's unclear, though, exactly what the relationship was between these two individuals correct? >> reporter: well, we're learning that mainak sarkar was a doctoral student under this professor. but he graduated in 2013 according to chief charlie beck here at lapd. so it seemed like they had some sort of a relationship from 2013 at least and it's unclear if they've been in communication since then. recently, there was a post that was put up on a social media site. it appears to have been from the gunman and it alluded to some
type of grudge that the gunman may have had against his professor, possibly stealing a code and giving it to another student. that appears to be the motive the lapd is now looking into when it comes to why this gunman would have targeted his former professor. investigation is still continuing. we're going to see how that develops. >> as we go back to this campus at los angeles, university of california, ucla, this is a quarter system there. which means it's finals week for the students. for so many, this is just a massive interruption obviously to have the situation that we witnessed there yesterday with great fear. so many students as we saw in social media posts literally doing everything in their power to try to barricade doors from the inside. they were unable to lock them from the inside. that one thing going forward the university said it's going to need to review to protect students in case of another situation like this. what are you hearing from
individuals on campus right now as so many across this country focus on safety on schools, universities and colleges as well? >> reporter: one of the things that struck me earlier, students were talking about the stress levels as is with finals week next week there, they're cramming right now. then yesterday, this horribly tragic day where these students had to sit in classrooms, sit in closets and barricade the doors and have armed s.w.a.t. officers come in. they did whatever they could, as you've seen from pictures of them putting up barricades and tieing those doors closed with electrical cords. these are the classrooms that the students have had to go into and then to go back to the same 3wi buildings and have to get their heads back into studying and preparing for these final exams is very challenging for a lot of these students. i know ucla is offering
counselling services to many of these students. some of the professors that we've heard from have actually canceled some of the parts of finals or assignments that were due. the best way to move forward is to move on and get to normalcy as soon as possible. that's going to be very, very difficult with the response that we saw yesterday. >> again, gadi schwartz, speaking to us from lapd headquarters right now, following the death of a professor at the hands of a former student. there is other break news today we've been following for most of this day. we anticipate hearing from hillary clinton within the next 15 to 20 minutes. she will be speaking in san diego, a city that is synonymous with military. one of the largest military populations in this country based in and around the san diego area. this will be hillary clinton's
first major address since donald trump clenched the delegates needed for the republican nominati nomination. we are told she's going to focus on foreign policy, laying out her argument for why trump is unqualified in her eyes to be commander in chief and she would describe it a threat to national security. the clinton campaign released a video ahead of today's speech depicting trump as dangerous. ♪ >> we have to be unpredictable. wouldn't you rather in a certain sense have japan have nuclear weapons. osama bin laden, absolutely. >> his remarks are divisive, stupid and wrong. >> looks like we're not going to have a very good relationship. we don't really need nato in its current form. >> and donald trump for his part has launched a preemptive strike. he did it last night on the stump in sacramento.
>> hillary clinton -- and this is 100%. hillary clinton who lies -- i mean, she lies. you remember that i started -- she lies. she lies. she made a speech and she's making another one tomorrow. and they sent me a copy of the speech and it was such lies about my foreign policy that -- they said i want japan to nuke. i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> my colleague kasie hunt is in san diego right now where hillary clinton will take the stage about 15 minutes from now. i want to start with the fact that hillary clinton is largely telegraphed her attacked against donald trump. today it seems like there's more at stake than just establishing policy positions for the former secretary of state. >> reporter: that's right, peter. i think it's more appropriate to think of this as a character contrast. essentially setting hillary clinton up as the safe, reliable
choice who can carry america forward in the world as compared to donald trump as the dangerous, unpredictable, risky bet that we've of course been hearing so much about from the clinton campaign. this of course to be her first major foreign policy speech since donald trump became the presumptive republican nominee. her aides out explaining a little bit more, telling us it will go beyond specific policies and she'll make clear that the choice in this election goes beyond partisanship. now of course, that's the clinton campaign's challenge here. what they've said is that they're trying to paint him as unfit, as out of the ordinary, just not a normal type of republican presidential nominee. and they're going to have to hang onto that throughout these
months as they run against donald trump. of course, the message on foreign policy designed to appeal to, for example, suburban women who might think that donald trump is a risky bet on foreign policy. they think it might also be a way to appeal to some white men, although the campaign will privately acknowledge it's unlikely that's the people hillary clinton is going to win. she hasn't touched a lot on this in the primary partly because of the lot of the stances she's taken over the years, that vote to go to war in iraq, also potentially the intervention in libya that she supported as secretary of state, peter. >> thank you very much. i want to get to jamie ruben, senior advisor to governor andrew cuomo. also served as secretary of state and state department spokesperson for president bill clinton. you're speaking to us from
london right now. hillary clinton faces in many ways a challenge today because donald trump is a tough guy to pin down on foreign policy. at the same time, hillary clinton is trying to protect herself against the left flank within her own party that may view her as not in touch with its progressive positions on a lot of foreign policy issues. what is her real challenge the way you view it today? >> well, i think the challenge today is to amalgamate all the various statements that donald trump has made about foreign affairs and paint a picture of a man who doesn't seem to understand the solemnity and performance of the position of the united states must make. in the clip that you showed, he does talk about japan having nuclear weapons and a nuclear war. we're talking about thermonuclear weapons, weapons
far, far more powerful than at hiroshima and nagasaki. it just shows you that he really is unfit to have the nuclear release authority that only a president has. i think what you're going to see from hillary clinton today is talking about our alliances. you know, the united states is unique in the history of great powers in modern history because we have so many allies in europe and asia and around the world. if donald trump became president, those alliances may well collapse. he's talked about getting rid of nato. so she's going to explain very clearly that this isn't just your run of the mill difference between should we have intervened in libya and not iraq or invade here and not there. this is a fundamental challenge to the entire way america has done business in the modern era for him to just throw around these concepts without knowing
what he's talking about. >> more broadly, hillary clinton has some vulnerability. she has to protect herself against attacks for her decision on the iraq war among other things, doesn't she? >> well, yes. look, there are people out there in the democratic party who will never forgive mrs. clinton for voting the same way that vice president biden voted, the same way that secretary of state kerry voted. that really can't be fixed. but what she can do is explain what her priorities would be as president. and i think whether a liberal or conservative on the left or the right, i think you're increasingly -- it's apparent that isis is a dangerous and grave threat to not just the people in the middle east as they had been in the past, but now in europe and now the united states. and mrs. clinton will -- secretary clinton will explain what the kind of trade-offs and decisions that a real commander in chief has to make.
this isn't reality television. this is the real world. you have to work with your allies, come up with decisions that our military diplomats and other friends and allies around the world will work with us to achieve without alienating the entire muslim world. donald trump has played into isis' hands by basically saying they were right, that the united states basically hates muslims. even george bush was very clear this wasn't a war against islam. donald trump has thrown that out the window. >> former assistant skrait for president bill clinton. jamie, nice to see you, we appreciate your time. a reminder to our audiences that we are awaiting hillary clinton. she is expected to speak in the next ten minutes from that podium in san diego. she prepares an address about her vision for america's foreign policy, a speech where she's
well, car's here, i can't save people money chatting at the baggage claim all day. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. and good day from new york and points west. brian williams here with you as we prepare for our live coverage of hillary clinton's policy address from san diego on the topic of foreign policy. more specifically and more pointed foreign policy where it comes to criticizing donald trump's foreign policy and bringing the differences between them into great relief. andrea mitchel is, as they say, in the arena. seats about 300 people. and as to remove any ambiguity, by our count, 17 american flags will frame the speech of the
former secretary of state. >> reporter: you can never have enough american flags when you're out at a campaign event, democratic or republican. so 17 is a good count. brian, the former secretary of state had always thought that this would be her strong point, foreign policy, especially against a newcomer to politics, donald trump. what she's finding this year is that donald trump is not your typical candidate by any mean and that he has been able to go after -- he in fact tried to e preempt her attacks today as he anticipated she was going to make this foreign policy address. and here she is going after him, we expect, on the muslim ban, on building the wall, on being in her view isolationist, on wanting to get out nato, wanting to get out of other alliances.
the problem is as recently as last night and earlier in the day, he was denying that he ever said that he would not mind if japan and south korea got nuclear weapons which would be a contradiction of six decades of american and international nonproliferation policy. so with donald trump, he says one thing and then he says that he didn't say it and what he says has been inconsistent, but very popular with at least republican voters so far, especially the mexican wall and the ban on muslims. and that's what she's up against. she is a traditional foreign policy spokesperson and she has her own vel nerbilities. she has a very strong ally of course in president obama. today, he gave what was supposed to be a nonpartisan speech at
the air force academy. but, there were a lot of political overtones. he was speaking out against isolationism, against those who would say we should not intervene and not lead in the world, and those who say america is not as strong as it needs to be, is not the strongest military. so there was a lot of political overattorn overtones in the president's speech today as well. >> andrea mitchell, we're awaiting for the former secretary of state to arrive at the venue. to washington we go next. chris matthews is standing by to talk to us. chris, it seems to me we can watch today proceeding on two never-intersecting tracks. track number one is every kind of formal speech you give when you're hillary clinton gives a message, pay no attention to my
democratic socialist challenger who no one thought would be in this race and would cause such a lack of traction for the clinton campaign. and secondly, it strikes me that we're having two equal and opposite conversations here. she will give what is by all accounts a sober speech today, while donald trump is -- is doing his own thing for his base and saying in effect that's right, i am 100% not these other people you're hearing from. >> yeah, i think it is a three-ring circus and she's in the main ring today. she will get all the attention in the papers tomorro and at nightly tonight because she is giving a formal address. as you suggested, that gets a certain amount of gravity to start with. i'm also, as you might have done already, counted the number of flags out there today. in the battle of nationalism and fervor for this country, the flags are fighting a war of
their own out there. hillary clinton is engaged in a standard political ploy right now. trump's having a hard time these days. he's got a lot of news organizations out there with a lot of time on their hands now that the primaries are basically over, a lot of investigative stuff all aimed at digging up bad stuff on him. everybody's out there doing research now. everybody's doing enterprise reporting on trump. and it's not looking good for him. while he's having this slump, to use a baseball term right now, he -- how angry he is, by the way. hillary's going to jump on him and hit him while he's down. she's going to go after him and say he's dangerous because he's opening this country to -- the world to more proliferation of nuclear weapons. in south korea, japan, even saudi arabia. he's openly said why not let them have the weapons. at least he's passive about it.
hillary says we should stick to the regime we've always believed in. we resist every single country that tries to join the nuclear club. we're against any new members in the club. and trump doesn't take that view. trump yesterday said she says i want these countries to have nuclear weapons. he overstates what she says about him. he's playing defense on this nuclear question. >> if she methodically goes through with a sigh then cuts down trump on every one of his arguments, what will it matter to potential donald trump voters? >> well, i know and you know over the last ten or 15 years what has been a decider on a foreign policy question? nuclear. when the people were pushing for the war in the iraq were able to say to the independent voter, open-minded voter, wait a minute, you're normally against getting involved in crazy wars
in the middle east, but this time the guy's got a nuclear weapon. he has a vehicle for delivering it here in the united states. that's how far their argument went and it worked. lot of journalists covering it said wait a minute, we got to give a lot of coverage and gravity to the threat, as unbelievable it seems now. now here's she's talking about the idea of saudi arabia having nuclear weapons. it's one of the ways they can get people to focus on foreign policy. americans don't really have an interest in foreign policy generally speaking. they have the interest in maybe the country their parents or grandparents came from, they have an interest in wars involving us. but they always have a worry about nuclear weapons. just remember, the schwartz commercial back in 1964 against lyndon johnson, used by lyndon
johnson against barry goldwater which showed a little girl basically being attacked by a nuclear weapon with the president somehow involved in it. it's going to be something to do with nuclear in the headlines tomorrow thanks to hillary. >> chris matthews, watching and listening in washington with us. let's come back to our new york studios. nicole wallace is here with us once again, former senior advisor to mccain/palin back in '80. as tempting as it is, we're not going to relitigate the iraq war, but i will ask you about these two separate conversations that are going on in our country. michael wolf just interviewed donald trump for the hollywood reporter and came back from the experience saying he is running as -- that's right, i'm 100% different from all these other people. >> and it's work sod far. but i think to pick up on one thing andrew said and one thing chris said, this is an issue that is -- she's speaking not to
the democrats. she still has to finish up and wrap up this democratic primary. but that's not who she's talking to today. she's not talking to anyone who follows trump on twitter. she's talking to a broader swath of the electorate and i think this speech will be about temperament and character. if clinton is going to knit together an attack against 2r 7 trump, one, she'd be the first to do so. the way bob gates raised the question of temperament about ten days ago on "morning joe" he said a commander in chief needs to have a certain temperament. not just the finger on the button which is the conversation we usually have. but in dealing with the allies. you can't get on twitter and call someone a jerk and promise to make america great again without them.
it was an effective speech this morning to prebutt his own side here. it's the kind of attack that hillary clinton's going to have to sell if she wants to make a case that donald trump is dangerous. >> so that bedrock decision that people make when they're voting. coming off chris matthews' argument, this is when it gets very serious, as serious as it gets. >> it would almost serve her well to say, you may not like me, but you can't trust him. i think she spends way too much time trying to make people like her. they don't need to like her to vote for her. if you talk to people who have kids in the military, they don't dislike trump. they want to like trump, but they're not sure they can trust trump. >> i did want to ask you about something trump said, i'll paraphrase. they sent over a text of what hillary clinton was going to say
today. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> our first rodeo this is not. that struck me as unusual. >> i'm pretty sure he didn't get an advance copy of the text. i think he knows that this line of attack about his character -- first of all, we know that it gets under his skin. after bob gates raised the question of his temperament, he called bob gates a dummy. i don't care what political party you're in, where you stood on any of the wars that began under george w. bush's administration, nobody thinks bob gates is a dummy. he has respect across the political spectrum. so really got under donald trump's skin when gates questioned his temperament. if clinton brad broadens this out and making it about character and temperament and consistency, she could have the beginnings of an effective line of attack against him. his supporters are completely animated and reassured by what he projects which is strength and clarity.
so this may actually be the first day where we see these two forces smashing against each other. >> we're going to squeeze in a break here as we wait for hillary clinton to arrive at this venue. and to paraphrase chris matthews, if you live in the san diego area and you're thinking of going to your american flag retailer today, there may be temporary shortages because of the 17 of them flanking hillary clinton on stage. we're right back. we'll have live coverage of every word of this foreign policy address. that is cyber-crime. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. when it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. we're building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer.
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of this hubbub on the left as hillary clinton speaks beyond frustrating. they don't believe she has mixed it up near enough with reporters, taken enough questions. it's all been very safe, controlled exposures to cameras and microphones. obvious attempt to play mistake-free baseball as we get into june and the potential for her to be named the presumptive nominee of the democratic party. so this was a -- either a threat or a promise hastily added to the sanders schedule to make him available for a press availability potentially stepping on the remarks of the former secretary of state. meantime, we are told hillary clinton is close to the venue in san diego, california. chris matthews continues to watch and listen with us in
washington. chris, if you're john pedesta or any member of the senior staff of the clinton campaign in that office building in brooklyn, you must find it -- you and i have talked about this a lot this cycle, you must find it beyond frustrating yourself to be giving a speech on the subject of donald trump knowing about this kind of two audience thing and having a candidate in donald trump who may live tweet your remarks, who may come out and use whatever verbal bludgeon he chooses afterwards to blunt everything you say. >> yeah, crooked hillary. there's a phrase. and i do think her attack on him, as you suggested, ignite a lot more of that trash talk, if you will, this afternoon. it's almost like you write a really good column in a major newspaper today, a good 800-word column you've sweated over and immediately comes the crawl of
remarks about it that can be much more vicious and headline grabbing than your article. now donald trump can come back. and whatever hillary says on foreign policy, he can come back and say something, she was wrong about iraq or something like that. everything that nicole said today about temperament. i would even use another word, hot head. i think that really captured the charge against trump more than even temperament. hot head. he's the guy that flies off the handle. some judge he doesn't like, he immediately fires up and goes to death com 2 right away. that's something that the clinton people play on. it will disturb people in the voting both. >> that phrase hot head still works. >> i think this goes back, we've talked a lot about how
republicans are wringing their hands and they have a lot of angst about trump as their nominee. there is a legitimate case against hillary clinton's foreign policy record. there are legitimate questions to pose about her role in benghazi. there are legitimate questions to raise if you could compare one vision of the world to another. the challenge with trump, it's strength, it's a gut level feeling that he's going to make the best decision for the country. that's what's gotten him this far. but it is a huge question mark whether that gut, that force of will will push him to victory in a general election. >> ian bremmer is also here with us in our new york studios. i know that because i went flying by him in the news room a few moments before going on the air. he is a long-time expert on u.s.
foreign policy, on political risk. and ian, it must be frustrating these days to be in your line of work because of what so much happens to the tone and ton nor of the conversation. >> certainly we're not talking much about policy. if we were, this would be a more interesting conversation. i believe that hillary clinton has some pluses and frankly a lot of negatives if you talk about whether u.s. foreign policy is perceived to be in better position now than when the obama administration first came in. the big things that have happened that are positive under his administration, the iran deal, the cuba opening were second term, not first. and the transpacific partnership arguably the biggest, she now says she opposes. there are lots of things you could hit her on if that's what the discussion about about. but it's not. the only leaders that say they
support anyone but hillary, venezuela came out today and said he looks bernie sanders. in north korea and russia, have you i don't support for donald trump. everyone else is skrard to hell of trump coming in. that's not what the debate is about. do you want someone that continues to represent the establishment that many in america feel has done them no favors or do you want someone very different who yes is a risk, who yes could be dangerous, but is not what we know we absolutely don't like. and hillary's ability to come up against that is going to be sorely challenged by someone who plays none of her policy rules. >> the next day i'll see you in the studio is day that news comes out of venezuela is that there is no venezuela speaking of nations teetering on the brink of existence. andrea mitchell back in the hall in san diego has some reporting
for us. andrea? >> reporter: in talking to clinton aides, they are saying this is going to be her toughest speech yet about donald trump. so she's going to try to get under his skin pointing out that she should not be trusted, that his policies have been incoherent. this is going to be a very direct, tough attack. as i was saying, she's being reinforced in the presidential mode by president obama last night and again today. today, memorably at the air force academy he was very -- very suggestive of where america stands in the world according to his point of view in comparison to donald trump saying we need to make america great again. >> andrea, thank you for that. to our audience, showing our cards a bit here. we have a couple of events going on. but this bit of breaking news in the run-up to hearing from
secretary of state clinton, we have this bit of breaking news concerning the death of prince. stephanie gosk is outside prince's home in minneapolis. the coroner's report now confirming a self-administered overdose of opioid medication correct? >> reporter: confirmed in this report that lists innocefentany the drug he overdosed on fentanyl is an opioid, but 100 times more powerful than morphine. the question here, will there be criminal charges in connection to his death. investigators will be looking at how he got the fentanyl. was it a legal prescription and
was there any criminal negligence involved. up until this point, there have been no official criminal charges. >> stephanie, every one of his fans, everyone who's been following the kind of wave of sadness after the death of prince, we've all heard the coverage, anecdotal and otherwise that there was drug involvement, that there were problems, that there was a probable addiction. but hearing this very serious pain medication is involved, that's -- i suspect is going to be something quite different entirely. >> reporter: i think so. we have been speaking to friends who have not wanted to talk publicly out of respect in many cases for prince's privacy. they do say that after years of acrobatic performances that we have all enjoyed and after years of wearing heels that he suffered from severe terrible hip pain. and that as a result of that,
these painkillers were probably a life line for him. that will sound familiar to millions of americans that have been prescribed similar drugs for their various conditions, but as we all know, they are incredibly addictive. and his story, prince's, will sound familiar to a lot of things in american families have had to deal with in recent years. >> stephanie gosk in the twin cities, the word becoming official that prince indeed died of an overdose. stephanie, thanks. as i mentioned to our viewers just before that interruption, we have several fronts of news today, but mostly we are awaiting the arrival of hillary clinton at this venue in san diego. on the other side of screen, we're also watching a bernie sanders event. it has thus far centered on climate change. senator sanders has been sharing the podium with others. this was as it looks to be
hastily arranged for coverage, not quite the same backdrop as the grandeur of this auditorium in san diego built just after the turn of the last century. and nicole wallace, one of those days where news events collide. we can do nothing about it. but look at that split screen. we should probably not fault the poor advance person who was told at the last minute. >> no. i mean, the bernie people are so psyched that their guy is the one in front of the crummy podium and messy drape. this is exactly what his candidacy is about. he's not the polished candidate. he is the guide leading a revolution. it isn't about his hair or his clothes or the polish put on his events. that's why i think this question about what happens to his supporters is so important. i would never argue, and some republicans do, but i wouldn't argue that they're all up for
grabs and that trump might win them over. but you do have to wonder if they don't just stay home or find other people who believe in the bernie revolution maybe down ticket to support, i think this is a perfect image of what these two campaigns have done, how they've charted their course and why he's still in it. >> out on the streets -- and by the way, the text of hillary clinton's speech just arrived. carried out to the podium by a young aide, so we must be close. out on the streets, among non-bernie supporters, you hear in plain english, the question, what does bernie want. you hear further, what can they give him at the convention and so on provided hillary clinton is victorious in this process. what do you think the answer to that is? >> i think the answer is nothing. and i'm surprised more people aren't asking that question. because what people think will
motivate him to get out is this desire to see clinton prevail over trump. i think it's entirely possible that he views them as equally bad choices. and i think that, you know, it certainly confounded some democrats that he is immune to this argument that his attacks are weakening her, but his attacks are weakening her. donald trump today echoed bernie sanders, he quoted bernie sanders and used sanders' words against clinton in an attack of her own. among independent voters or undecideds, you hear a line of attack from someone like donald trump, from the right or far right, however you view him, and sanders who is a socialist. and it has more credibility if trump and sanders are making the same kinds of attacks against clinton. >> chris matthews, same -- same question. what can they give bernie sanders provided he comes out on the losing end of this thing? what will they give bernie sanders? >> well, the usual trade is an
hour of prime time broadcast speaking ability. sometimes monday and tuesday night or tuesday night. this time, however, it may go beyond that. because bernie is basically saying he wants to wait and see how the super delegates actually vote in the roll call wednesday night. how do you let a guy continue as an active candidate at the convention which will nominate hillary clinton to give a campaign speech monday or tuesday night as an active candidate? doesn't there have to be a deal struck before that that allows bernie his moment in the sun to make his case and get what he wants on the platform, but the condition being you're out of the race. i don't think bernie is willing to get out of this race. if he wins next tuesday night in california, which is very possible, he may be loaded for bear to go right through until wednesday and a vote on the floor and give up the speaking opportunity monday or tuesday night and be an active candidate when the roll call is taken.
he may want that excitement of each state standing up and saying where it's going. that way, he could display the power of the super delegates which is part of his argument. >> this is why we call this joint the place for politics. you're not going to hear that level of granularity anywhere else. it's also why there has been so much excitement surrounding these two political conventions this cycle. each party has their own drama. these are going to be for the first time in a long time some highly rated prime time television shows just during this era where networks and others have talked about timely curtailing coverage, calling them produced events. can't say that this year about these. we go into both the democratic and gop conventions not really fully able to predict what's going to happen. a revision to those playing along at home, the wide shot has revealed two more flags.
we're up to 19 on the stage flanking hillary clinton. as you see, secret service have taken their place down in the audience. the remarks are at the podium. her water has been delivered to the podium. if their goal was to create anticipation rather than just being late, they have perhaps succeeded. and nicole wallace, again, this whole idea of giving a foreign policy speech against an enemy -- >> it's early. >> -- very difficult to pin down and counter. >> this speech, we were talking about the conventions. i was in the position as bush's communications director of literally begging networks to take our convention and promising them it would be riveting television. we don't have that. but i think this speech and how well it's staged. we can expect her to read from a prepared text that if you were following along she probably
won't deviate. donald trump doesn't do any of that. so far, it has been to his great advantage. he will come after her in an asymmetrical way. while i think this is a smart move today, he will attack her from three different fronts. he'll probably say bill clinton had affairs, you screwed up benghazi, and you got my policy wrong. normal campaigns are not set up to respond to an attack on a candidate's husband, where a lot of questions may remain, and engage in the rapid response that is more typical of a presidential campaign about the speech itself. so whether they can respond to the counterattack is one of the things i'll be watching for today. >> do you agree with chris' ate assessment that donald trump is having otherwise a bad week? his attack on the news media seemed to deeply hurt members of the news media. it brought even more scrutiny on the donations to veterans groups. and now the trump university papers are coming out.
really kind of painting it as more of a scheme than an institute of higher learning. >> i think hillary clinton used the word fraud. these things have happened. i would argue it hasn't been a particularly bad week for trump because the people that you can always attack in the most vicious way and not lose ground among republicans are members of the media. the best way to insult someone inside your own white house staff is to call them a media-pologist. especially republican voters are deeply distrustful of the media's motives. but the other developments, again, by themselves, questions about lawsuits. there was also a usa today article which used to present a really damaging development in a presidential campaign. everybody gets usa today and it's written for the voter and we know that elites have been completely irrelevant in this cycle. but trump has so far been
completely resilient to attacks about his business record. if -- again, if clinton can open up a case and make it every single day, regardless of what trump throws at her, about what may not be as sterling of a record, if she can suggest he wasn't as successful in business as he presents himself, i think that can get under his skin. i think this is about psychological warfare. this is about getting under trump's skin and making him act in a way that seems disqualifying in the commander in chief role. >> we've been told the introduction of hillary clinton will start now in under two minutes. let's check in with our traveling road warrior and expert on all things trump. katy tur is in out ahead of a trump event tonight. would you agree this has been an off week for donald trump? >> reporter: i do think it's been an off week for donald
trump. usually trump is able to dominate the news cycle. if there's a negative story out there against him, he's been able to come in, say something maybe even more outrageous and turn the cycle to his advantage. he did that on monday with the veterans press conference by going after the media and nicole is absolutely right. the media is a foil that has worked really well for donald trump so far this campaign season. yesterday, though, when we were talking about trump university, the campaign was uncharacterize ikly mum on it for the majority of the day, not coming back with any rebuttal to the trump university court documents that were released yesterday until very late in the day when they released a video from about three members of -- three former students of trump university who claim they actually learned a lot and found it to be very valuable courses. now, those three people that the campaign released in a youtube video have since been found to
have ties to donald trump's businesses. so the validity of their claims and the motivation for their claims coming out in support of donald trump is in question at the moment. his lawyers refusing to acknowledge the case as fraud, denying that, and also saying that they will win this case. donald trump has said that over and over again. he's also gone after the federal judge calling his ethnicity into the debate as if that is somehow relevant, saying that he's mexican when the judge was born in indiana. so i think yesterday was one of the worst days the candidate has had in terms of publicity and spin so far this campaign season. it did feel to me as somebody who's been on the road now for 11 months with him that it was a turning point, or could potentially be a turning point, a dent in his armor when it comes to his argument that he is fighting for t