tv Hardball With Chris Matthews MSNBC June 2, 2016 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. yesterday hillary clinton called donald trump a fraud who will scam the people of this country. today in major speech on foreign policy, secretary clinton landed her most penetrating attacks on trump yet saying the republican nominee is dangerous to america's national security. >> donald trump's ideas aren't just different. they are dangerously incoherent. they're not even really ideas. just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds and out right lies. >> he is not just unprepared, he is tempermentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.
this is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes because it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. >> throughout the speech secretary clinton cited his own words that he's liable to do anything as president. >> he actually said, and i quote, maybe syria should be a free zone for isis. oh, okay. let a terrorist group have control of major country in the middle east. then he said we should send tens of thousands of american ground troops to the middle east to fight isis. he also refused to rule out nuclear weapons against isis, which would mean mass civilian casualties. it's clear he doesn't have a
clue what he's talking about, so we can't be certain which of these things he would do, but we can be certain he's capable of doing any or all of them. >> in response donald trump tweeted bad performance by crooked hillary clinton. reading poorly from the teleprompter. she doesn't even look presidential. the latest national poll by nbc in the wall street journal shows that foreign policy is a vulnerability for donald trump. 56% of the voters picked clinton. just 29% trump. also today, house speaker paul ryan came around to endorsing donald trump saying he would vote for him. here's what he wrote today after 29 days of deliberation and numerous meetings with the candidate. through these conversations i feel confident he would help us turn ideas into agenda. that's why i'm voting for him this fall.
let me ask you about this. how powerful is it? how important is what she did today? >> it was powerful. it was scathing. it was unbelievable scathing. we're in early june and she's questioning the mental health of the presumptive nominee. i can't remember a campaign -- where do you go in october? she's now doing the goldwater playbook. she's come a long way. >> anti-goldwater. >> this is lbj. this is saying if you vote for this man he will cause a nuclear war because he's not only thin skinned but mentally unstable. it was very powerful. what would be interesting to see if trump has a substantial response to this.
what she didn't do, obviously, was talk about her own record. that's a vulnerability. >> others could have given this speech. >> marco rubio could have given it. >> it was a general anti-trump speech. back in '64, barry goldwater, who a lot of people liked. they did some shrinks to prove he have nuts. he said leave it of when to use nuclear weapons. that's what gave the reputation of an itchy trigger finger. trump is now getting that same treatment from hillary. >> he is getting that treatment. i think it was a solid, strong speech on foreign policy. she showed she's capable of engaging in a street fight while appealing for cool heads all around. as we saw from the polls about the percentage of people that thinks she will handle foreign policy better, she's still only addressing an audience that likes her.
she has said she wants to reach out to the moderate, thoughtful republicans. you can only do that if you connect the issues of foreign policy with the economy and why america, as a world leader is important for your jobs here at home. >> i agree with kim. i think she made a call today. i'm now going to take on and try to bring in the right. i'm going to forget bernie sanders. this speech, bernie sanders could have never given. she was talking about intervention and duty. >> she did a remarkable charge. >> will a republican in the burbs go for this? >> how many heard this speech and absorbed it realtime as she was delivering it? that matters. you make the point of doing it now versus october. that's a big difference. folks are focused on graduation
and a lot of different things. doesn't take away from the speech. what they now have to do, the clinton team is go out and really drill it down to your point, connect it to something real for the blue collar, suburban, moderate voters. i think she wants to do that. the question is, she still has a lot of baggage that was not addressed in her own foreign policy shortcomings. >> i was on the carter plane writing speeches when losing to reagan. we're still trying to win. carter said this is a decision between piece and war. he said do he really say that. the idea was to hold that. you hold your conclusive summation until the end. do you keep saying that for sick months that this guy is frightening? can you do that?
>> i'm not sure they have made that calculation yet. they have known she's been on the defensive on these issues related to libya and iraq. they thought let's pivot. we're going to go on offense and turn this up. if you're the hillary clinton campaign are you really thinking about your october foreign policy speech central or saying i got to get out of defense. >> trump was hitting her on those issues. >> he will continue hitting her hard. >> clinton slammed trump for saying he would target the families of suspected terrorists citing the bin laden raid by her as the fight against terrorism should be waged. >> it matters when he says he'll order our military to murder the families of suspected terrorists. during the raid to kill bin
laden, when every second counted, our seals took the time to move the women and children in the compound to safety. donald trump may not get it, but that's what honor looks like. >> i don't know how much sympathy there is out there for the american masses with that point. it's a legitimate point to make. i don't know how much sympathy she's going to get. an honorable point to make but i don't know how much of a sympathy card it plays. >> she has to turn that one more notch and say, doing that kind of thing, in addition to being against the american values and against american military values, also creates more enemies.
that's the point that has to be hammered home. >> trump talks about islam. >> she said that. >> she said it, but that's a point that has to keep coming again and again. >> is that too subtle? keeping muslims out of country. i don't know how they will check on religion. how do you do that at the airport? i've always wondered how that's done. put that aside. nobody has made the argument, we've had it here, if you want them enemies, that's one way to make them enemies and a lot more people out to get us. >> she made that argument. she had a slight strange construct to her face where she said donald trump wants to keep a billion muslims out of america. what she was trying to say is you can't simply say there's all
these people out there who can bring something to america. some of them live here. >> let's talk politics now. who's she talking to today? i think she's aiming at the intellectuals who write the op-ed people. >> thank you. this is not a blue collar man speech. >> she was also talking to the international diplomatic community. >> i agree with you. this was a speech for the political elites. this was not for middle america. it was not for blue collar workers in the suburbs. it was not that kind of speech. it was very highbrow. it was important. i don't want to take away from that. the audience was much more narrow than a lot of people try to project it out to be. >> you know why you do it at daytime and not at nighttime. you have the whole afternoon for the op-ed writers.
>> most folks are driving their buses and cabs now. they're not watching this speech. >> i disagree a little bit there. one of the more subtle aspects of this it's very much not a barack obama speech either. >> why wouldn't obama have given the speech. >> obama will always start a speech about foreign policy by acknowledging american failings, american mistake. this is a speech that could have been given before the vietnam war. >> that's what i think. >> barack obama would have shaded this a lot more. something she signalled, i'm not sure who she is signaling too. middle america. >> what do you mean by shaded? throw shade on it. >> it's nuance. >> going back to the point i was making in the beginning, this
was not a speech for blue collar voters. it was a speech for people who think about foreign policy on a daily basis already thinking about these issues. >> i'm sure there's blue collar people that think about foreign policy. >> sure. no disrespect. she spoke to military families, speak to the military considering the location where she was but also starting the conference about america's role in the world which is something that is on american voters mind. the way you connect it with jobs in the economy so you want a trade war with china, the price of your ipad will go up. >> hillary clinton asked voters to imagine trump in the situation room of the white house. listen to this. >> imagine donald trump sitting in the situation room making life or death decisions on behalf of the united states. imagine him deciding whether to
send your spouses or children into battle. imagine if he had not just his twitter account at his disposal when he's angry but america's entire arsenal. do we want him making those calls? i have a lot of faith that the american people will make the right decision. this is a country with a deep reservoir of common sense and national pride. we're all counting on that. >> how does she maintain that line of attack in debates? if she is calling the guy dangerous, somebody like gwen saying you call this man dangerous.
>> there's two things about that. someone a buddy of mine said when he heard that is didn't she say the same thing about barack obama. i think that was kind of the clinton line of barack obama. there's that aspect of it. we heard that before. the other thing is it does go to what you're saying about taking the rhetoric now and transporting it to a presidential stage and a debate. it's a very different situation. that one-on-one when it's hillary and donald trump and that question comes up from a moderaor such as yourself, how she responds in that moment will matter ten times more. >> this person should not be considered for president. >> she's got to maintain that throughout. >> beyond attacking donald trump, i think what struck me at the end of her speech was the message of positiveness.
this isn't just about the politics of anger. this is positivity and as jeff was saying projecting the idea that america is powerful. we don't need to make it great again. it is still great. >> we're also forgetting one thing. i think she was trying to goad him into saying something more extreme. i think it was an attempt to humiliate him and put down his intelligence and see where she can get with that. >> this is the week he's having a tough week because all the reporters and editors have time for enterprising pieces. they're piling on this week. kick him when he's down and see if he reacts. >> and if it sticks. >> he's going to read every word of this. >> one tweet so far. >> the tweet wasn't strong. crooked hillary was reading a teleprompter badly. she read it well, donald. thank you. coming up, donald trump is like a street fighter who will fight anyone for a dollar. today we learned he's been
involved in 3500 lawsuits over the past 30 years. an unprecedented number for a presidential candidate. now he's facing more criticism for comments he made about the judge in the trump university fraud case. that's ahead. plus, more big companies are declining to help pay for the republican convention. that comes after a slew of high profile elected officials say announced they are staying away. bernie sanders campaign manager says sanders has nothing to hide and will release his tax returns. my question is why has it been okay for sanders to sit on his tax returns and not donald trump. if i win as president, it's my mom loves giving me advice. she even gives me advice... ...about my toothpaste and mouthwash. but she's a dentist so...i kind of have to listen.
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if i win as president, it's a civil case, i could have settled this case numerous times, but i don't want to settle cases when we're right. i don't believe in it. when you start settling cases, you know what happens, everybody sues you because you get known as a settler. one thing about me, i'm not known as a settler. >> welcome back to hardball. donald trump is a street fighter. he'll fight anyone in the house for a dollar. he's in a dispute and never backs down from a fight as he just said. his businesses have been
involved in 3500 lawsuits. the sheer volume of lawsuits is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. no candidate of major party had anything approaching trump's courtroom entanglements. verdict, 450 wins, 38 losses. isn't that what you want for your president. susan page is washington bureau chief of usa today and john braybender. >> we can't look at his record in government because he hasn't had government jobs. one of the primary tools he's done in striking deals and negotiating in dealing in the business world is through the courts. he's quick to sue. he has often sued in turn. that's one of the most substantive public records we have.
>> what does it say about, i've been in politics on this before. is there something wrong with being sued? >> there's nothing wrong with being sued and nothing wrong with suing somebody. you look at the volume of cases that is extraordinary for people who have businesses like donald trump. you also look at the kind of priorities he sets when he pursues suits. he's very sensitive about his name, his brand. he's willing to devote enormous resources to suits that doesn't cost much money. he doesn't give them up. >> first of all -- >> he likes to fight. >> some people find that endearing. that want the backbone of the president. >> do you like that? >> i do in some cases.
i do think the story was very well done. i think it was very fair but i think there's a context that you have to look at it. the reason it's unprecedented to have somebody running for president with this many lawsuits because it's unprecedented to have a candidate running for business who has 500 businesses, which is how many there were. if you do the math, that's only three lawsuits where he was sued per business, which has a small business person that's not outrageous. i do think, however, it does go to the mind set of donald trump that he is not somebody that settles. this is a guy who will go fight even if it's going to cost money. it's going to be up to voters if they think that's admirable or problematic. >> hillary clinton said we might find ourselves in a nuclear war because somebody gets under donald trump's skin. >> temperament and also his instinct is never to compromise, to negotiate, to settle. it's never that.
>> don't you have to as president? >> the most successful presidents have had coalitions as one of their skills. >> the history you learn on this >> the plane shot down over china and the korean airline shot down by the russian army. russian air force. reagan didn't go do war over those things. he said we'll get through it. we'll end this cold war. does trump have that temperament to say i'm not going to let everything like that take me to war. >> this is the critical factor. nobody knows. it's something trump will have to prove in the coming months. that's a big problem. there's a huge shift in the clinton campaign if you looked at that speech today. number one if it was a national drinking game for every time she said trump that we had something, all of us would be under the table and nobody be going to work tomorrow.
i bet she said his name 30 times. second of all she's decided there's two things. she's going to hit him on women's issues. if we treat women in other countries we would be out raged. she made the point do we really want to take the risk of donald trump. on the other hand i think trump will say we tried it your way. it's been embarrassing. we're getting sand kicked in my face. you see that in these lawsuits that he's not somebody that backs down. >> part of the ongoing class action lawsuit, the u.s. district judge has emerged as a prime target of trumps. trump unleashed a highly personal attack on the judge that has taken many by surprise. >> it's a disgrace the way the federal court is acting because it's a simple lawsuit. i have a judge who is a hater of donald trump. a hater. he's hater.
his name is gonzolo. he is not doing the right thing. the judge, who happens to be mexican. that's great. i think that's fine. the judges in this court system, federal court, they ought to look into the judge because what he's doing is a total disgrace. >> the judge is prevented from responding directly. in an order unsealing the document the judge said he placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue. maybe that's a good case study there. trump sees a hispanic name, spanish name and makes an assumption he doesn't like his issues on the border. there's trump saying this guy
doesn't like me because of my position on the border. >> he was born in indiana and served as a prosecutor in san diego and went after drug cartels. >> trump's made this assumption that he's his enemy. >> that it matters that his parents immigrated. >> doesn't this get to the problem of trump? >> it's a big problem. first of all, none of us would be talking about this if he hadn't responded that way. second of all, i think the tone and tenor where it serves him well in republican primaries, it's what also makes his vulnerable to winning in a general election to those who aren't sold on him. this means there's people around him that aren't saying what are you doing. you need people like that. >> yeah. i think it didn't work at all because he can't admit to his prejudices. he went after the guy's name.
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three ft. hood soldiers are dead and six are missing after their truck was washed away by flood waters in central texas. three other soldiers were rescued. a pilot is dead after his plane crashed shortly after take from the republican national convention coming up in cleveland this summer. according the a report in the new york times today, four of the five last republican nominees including mitt romney, john mccain, george w. bush and george herbert walker bush will be skipping the convention this
year. the home state senator rob portman from ohio has yet to decide if he will even show up at the convention held in his state. at least nine republican governors are sending regrets or remain noncommittal including home state governor john kasich. he may not even go from columbus to cleveland. jeremy peters is a reporter with the new york times and kelly ann conway is a republican strategist. which hat do you want to hear here, republican analyst or for republican branding? tell me which and proceed. >> republican opinion and branding. i would say donald trump's audience is the rank and file voters. you're going to have prime time
ratings like nobody has seen and you know it, including your network. >> we do want high audiences. let me ask you about the other politicians who aren't showing up. why wouldn't a guy like portman who is running for re-election, he's a solid senator probably will get reelected. he's in good shape. why wouldn't he show up to a convention in his own state? >> he may. he hasn't said whether he will or won't. he'll be campaigning in that state in and around cleveland. some of them are in tough re-election races. some of them rode in on the tea party wave and have now switched the decaf. even john mccain has a tough primary race this time. >> can a -- i've read that is
that rights really rise or fall depending on be power of the national ticket. can you divorce yourself from what happens that night? can you not be a republican that night just by not showing up at a convention? >> depends on what his message is at home. i think it's not a good thing for someone who's been on the inside for 30 years. >> i did read about the pga in doral that in that case it wasn't about politics.
the car company just didn't want to be down there competing with the brand of trump. >> it becomes about him. >> what about this toxicity thing. how powerful is it? >> it extends not just to republican delegates, it extends to corporations. what corporation is going to want their logo on the trump convention. >> even if you do both conventions? >> even if he does both conventions. the impression that will be left with people that you are somehow a corporation that supports trump's brand of divisive politics. it's not something they will want even if they're giving money to the convention. >> there was in notion that certain brands were connected. >> you know how cautious these corporations are. they are exceedingly cautious.
>> that part is true. >> a number of them don't want to have anything to do with him. >> for example, hillary clinton, the ultimate politician, ultimate insider, secretary of state, u.s. senator now running for president for a second time, she and people associated with her have been to k street lobbying the political arms of these corporations. she gave 92 speeches. she's corporate america's sweetheart. >> did you memoryize all that? >> no. you know better than that. >> thank you. up next, what's he waiting for? why won't bernie sanders release
remaining candidate has released her tax returns. that's hillary clinton, of course. both bernie sanders and donald trump have yet to do so. last night i spoke with sanders campaign manager, jeff weaver. >> why do you think trump is holding out his tax returns? everybody says he will be under tremendous pressure. he's going to be the nominee. against either candidate, your candidate or hillary clinton, he's under incredible pressure to release his tax returns. he refuses to do it and saying i'm under audit which nobody believes. >> maybe he doesn't make as much as he says or pays a lower tax rate. there's something he's trying to conceal. >> why is your candidate not releasing his tax returns? >> he did release one year. >> he's got house and senate ethics. >> you said that trump is hiding something by not releasing his
tax returns. what is your candidate hiding? >> my candidate is not hiding anything. >> why doesn't he release the tax returns? >> he has released some. >> one year. >> any way, joining me tonight is the roundtable. okay. i am what i am. i wanted to find out why he wouldn't release the tax returns. i said go after trump for a while. after he chews on trump, i said how about your guy. nobody thinks bernie sanders is rich. he's been asked over and over again, he's running as the moderate progressive. why doesn't he release his tax returns? what's going on here? i got a commitment from jeff, he will do it before the convention at some date. >> it seems suspicious. everyone does it. you'll take a hit if you doesn't do it. they're smart people.
they have to be thinking there's a bigger downside to whatever is in the tax returns than they are taking. >> if it's better than it looks, you show it. if it's worse, you don't. >> it seems hypocrite cal. >> notice how quick he was to chew all over trump for not doing it. >> any time you say my candidate has nothing to hide, you're losing. >> i think that -- >> what's he hiding? >> there's a couple of things. he could be a bit nervous about scrutiny over the $200,000 severance package that his wife to do after she saddled it with debt. the news came out that the college is sinking. that's going to look bad for them. >> that's like the snake with the big thing in it. >> it also could be it looks bad that he expensed or he wrote off business lunches on his taxes
for the one year he put out. the other years could look worse. he's made it central tenet to criticize rich people for what they write off and it's embarrassing for something to look bad like that for him. >> i think you bring up a good point. we know -- >> i'm just asking. >> we know more about donald trump steaks than bernie sanders financial history. >> why has the press not done enterprising reporting on sanders. he's the front-runner. he's going to win this thing, but bernie's in the fight. i think the republicans have left him alone because they want to fatten him up. that's my thinking. >> the whole time he's kind of run in the shadows, behind the scenes and it's worked. he's still turning out all these people. i think the press has been giving him a pass. it will be curious to see what's in there. >> his opponent is giving him pass. they knew all this stuff as well. they decided it's better strategy. >> not to take him.
take the superdelegates from where he's won, he's still behind. there is no plausible way or combination for him. >> why does he keep saying superdelegates -- he lost the primary and the caucus delegates. >> i don't know, chris. >> laura? >> hillary clinton's campaign came out today and told "the huffington post" that she supports the death penalty for dylann roof. which is really interesting. >> tell me about the case. >> so he's the charleston shooter. he shot -- i believe killed nine people in a historically black church. >> what's her bar on the capital punishment issue? >> she says the most heinous crimes, unclear what that means except the roof case is one. it's interesting because bernie opposes the death penalty in all cases. >> this is where i have a problem. you know, when somebody goes into a starbucks, ties up all the employees, working minimum wage, ties them in the basement and systematically executes them, this guy gets off? where do you draw the line? there's hard stuff that goes on >> someone needs to ask her.
it's hard to say the most heinous crimes and not define what you mean by that. >> marco rubio will coach his kids' football team next season because he's not rung for re-election. >> wouldn't it be more fun to coach a football team? are you a father? >> i'm a father. >> no football? >> no, i'm sure he's a good father. i saw him at church one time, i am impressed with him personally. this thing today, hillary clinton gave a pastor piece speech today, i think. i think it's going to have an impact on the world community, diplomats, foreign press, hm, serious person running here. it was a speech i wouldn't have given. it was a little more pre-vietnam, a little more in terms of u.s. intervention around the world unapologetic despite the mistakes she's made with iraq, syria, libya. no apology, she didn't experience that. is that going to help her? >> it's going to help with insiders. you know this regular americans are worried about their
paychecks and their wages and their kids' education. you know, foreign policy candidates typically aren't the ones who are elected. it has to be a part of her portfolio but most voters won't pay attention to it at all. >> i've said donald trump doesn't have the temperament, he's a hothead, he can't be trusted with the nuclear button. this is the stuff lbj if you watch all wait against goldwater. >> right. her gloves are really off today. i haven't seen her like that before. i think it actually is really going to help her. because it's appealing to people's sense of fear. she's using the word terrorist, saying can you imagine trump in the situation room having to deal with this? >> the narrative that he's scary and crazy is helpful. >> absolutely. >> the trouble with this is, this is how we got into iraq. fear of nuclear war. ridiculous iraq was going to attack us with a nuclear weapon. now we're back again, elect somebody because of the fear of nuclear war. >> i think she was trying to get a reaction out of donald trump. i think it will be interesting
to watch his twitter feed the next 12 to 24 hours to see if he takes the bait. >> he called her crooked hillary today and said she was lousy reading the teleprompter. do you think he can reduce the importance of her speech by being so lazy talking about it? this isn't worth my trouble? >> i think one tweet can donald trump can take the whole news cycle a different direction, he knows that. >> who won the news battle today? paul ryan, speaker of the house, coming out for trump? or hillary gave a pretty good speech? >> i think we're talking more about hillary. we're talking about it right now. about hillary's speech than ryan. he's supposed to come out for his nominee. >> okay. >> you know ryan as speaker of the house is not going to want a democratic president so i don't think that was as surprising as hillary's speech. >> does anybody know ryan? i don't know him very well. >> personally? >> do you know him if. >> no. >> what's the story on the guy? >> he did come out with -- >> you know paul ryan. i think a lot of people in this city and american politics don't
really know the guy. >> i would agree with that. he stays in his office. he's not in d.c., he's back home sunday night with dinner with his family every weekend. >> peter the hermit. >> he's not a hermit. >> that's not a knock, he's a saint. when we return, let me finish with the news we made here last night. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪
let me close tonight with the news made here last night. we had the campaign manager for senator bernie sanders here. he committed to the senator releasing his tax returns from over the years. he did so after nailing donald trump for not doing the very same thing. so the question arises and hangs up there, is why sanders has not released his tax returns except for that one year of 2014. here's the back and forth from last night that sets up that question and campaign manager jeff weaver's response and his commitment. >> you said that donald trump would not release his tax returns because he was obviously trying to hide something. what is senator sanders hiding? >> he's hiding nothing. i think if you talk to anybody in the media who saw those tax returns from 2014, everybody thought there was going to be some big thing -- >> i never said there was. >> zero. >> i'm asking the question, live right now, you went after trump for not releasing his returns. why isn't your guy doing it? >> trump's a flimflam artist and a fraud -- >> flimflam is when you don't adjust yourself to the question i asked. why doesn't your guy release the
returns? >> i think that he will. >> he will? >> sure. he said he will. >> senator sanders will release his tax returns during the course of this campaign? >> he said he would. >> before the convention? >> he said he would, yes. >> can you give me a date? >> i'd be happy to get you a date, chris. >> mr. weaver here last night said he'd be happy to give us a date when his candidate's going to release his many years of tax returns. if it's a tough thing for trump he won't release his returns, if it raises questions about what he's not ready to let us know, it's a question for bernie sanders. hillary clinton, a person not known for her love of putting out personal information, has met the usual standard. she and bill clinton have released their tax returns for decades. why can't senator sanders? why doesn't he do it before the democratic convention? if his commitment is real and we have to hope it is, when will he deliver on it? mr. weaver promises to do it. let's wait and see what happens here. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes," starts right now.
tonight on "all in" -- >> trump's ideas aren't just different. they are dangerously incoherent. >> hillary clinton's explosive attack on donald trump. >> he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability, and immense responsibility. >> tonight, how the presumptive republican nominee is responding and how today's frontal assault from clinton is different than all the others. >> there's no risk of people losing their lives if you blow up a golf course deal. but it doesn't work like that in world affairs. plus, why paul ryan finally came around to trump today. why new polling in california could have big implications for democrats. and as new details continue to emerge, why donald trump says he wants to reopen trump university. >> success. it's going to happen to you.