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it wasn't accredited. it was a scam! now, how does trump respond? he's trying to distract people by making a prejudiced, bigoted attack on the federal judge who's hearing the case here in california. he has said that this judge should be disqualified because, in trump's words, he has mexican heritage. judge curiel is as much of an american as i am, and he's as much of an american as donald trump is. >> and good morning. it is monday, june 6th. what a day in history. what a day in history. welcome to "morning joe," everyone. with us on set, we have managing editor of bloomberg politics and coast of "with all due respect," mark halperin. former communications director for president george w. bush,
nicole wallace. and the host of msnbc's "politics nation," president of national action network, reverend al sharpton. we'll be talking about muhammad ali in just a few minutes. >> you know, you're right, talking about june 6th. first of all, the passing of one of the great american figures, political figures, bobby kennedy, june 6th, 1968, passed away. an extraordinary leader and a man who really symbolized the '60s as much as anybody else. also, d-day on this day. but a day every bit as important, this day in 1998. carlie was born. >> my daughter. my daughter. >> 18 today. >> congratulations. >> she turns 18 today. >> just my own little d-day. >> that is fantastic. some grim news. mark halperin, you texted me last night. i don't believe it. i don't believe it. is the era coming to an end up
the there? >> the most important starbucks on the planet is closing. >> no? the one on columbus and 68th. >> what?! >> that's my starbucks, too. >> that's my home base, too. >> all politics is local. >> why is it closing? >> high rents. too much to try to save it. >> why is it closing? i don't understand? >> rent's too high. >> i miss that guy. >> we'll get into muhammad ali a little bit, but judge sharpton, there's no way to explain what he not only exports, but more importantly, to culture and race and politics in the 1960s and 1970s. >> you really couldn't. muhammad ali changed the culture. aside from being a fantastic boxer, he changed the culture. he redefined what success was, because i remember when i was growing up, i was 12 years old, i had just joined the economic
arm with dr. king's organization and i was already a boy preacher. and he refused to go to the army. we started gauging who was a celebrity and a success based on who was relevant, because of muhammad ali. this guy took on a wall. whether you agreed with him or not, to give away all of the things we thought were big, you know, heavyweight title, and the perks that go with it. to stand for something, it changed the culture of how you no longer decided success and celebrity based on what you owned or what you had, but what you stood for. he literally did that in one stand. >> we'll get more to that a little bit later. but first, politics. if that's what you want to call it. there was widespread concern among republicans this weekend. they are shocked and stunned. they just can't believe -- >> and deeply saddened. >> seriously, paul ryan is in shock. >> paul ryan endorsed him last
week. >> he didn't expect this! >> how could he have ever expect this? >> yeah, that's what he said, out of left field. >> boom, what happened! donald trump said something that was racially insensitive. >> he didn't have to do the endorsement, but he did. >> donald trump continued to attack the federal judge over saying the trump university case for his ethnicity. take a listen. >> he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say, why? well, i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico. not another country. >> but he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> in my opinion -- he has mexican heritage and he's very proud of it. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no, i don't think so at all. >> no? >> no. he's proud of his heritage. i respect him for that. >> you're say he can't do his
job because of that. >> look, he's proud of his heritage, okay? i'm building a wall. >> why -- why did you refer to his ethnicity, donald? >> because his heritage is mexican. >> so what? >> i want to build a wall. i'm getting along great with hispanicses, but i want to build a wall. >> but some of the numbers don't indicate that. do you think you have to dial it back? >> look, i have to be what i have to be. >> if it was a muslim judge, do you think they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours? >> it's possible, yes. that would be possible. >> isn't there a tradition in america that we don't judge people by who their parents are? >> i'm talking about common sense. he's proud of his heritage. i think that's great. >> but you're saying it's a barrier to him doing his job. >> but he's not treating me fairly. >> trump's insistence on using the judge's heritage as a sign of bias was not well received. >> wait, by members of the -- i don't understand!
nicole, how could they have seen this coming? wait, he said it last week before paul ryan endorsed him. >> can i do a poll, nicole? is that racism? >> yes. >> joe -- >> it's completely racist. here you have a guy that is from indiana. from indiana! i think his family, if i'm not mistaken, had been in the country of america longer than trump's grandmother. >> reverend al, is that racism? >> oh, it's absolutely, unequivocally racism. >> just checking! >> so the republican party, my republican party now, is racing behind and endorsing a man who says that if you are mexican or -- >> not mexican. >> american. >> if you're born in america, if you're from indiana, but you may have a little bit of mexican heritage in you -- >> see, even -- i don't think he's even first generation or second generation. >> it doesn't matter. >> that you are incapable of being fair as a judge. he also said the same of
muslims. republicans! really -- >> good on you. >> good on you. you're endorsing this guy? seriously. >> the republicans are denouncing this because they think it's horrible politics, right? short-term and long-term. they also are morally outraged, as they should be, to say that a judge whose parents came from mexico, to say that a muslim judge -- and the stupidity of it is compounded by the fact that he's arguing something that has to do with a personal case. >> hold on a second. let me just. i want to be really clear here. >> please. >> no, they can't be morally outraged this week when they knew what he was doing last week. and by the way, i said it here on the tv box. and you can check it out on the tv box. i said, all the way back in december, i would never endorse donald trump so long as he supported banning 1.4 million
people for entering the last best hope for a dying world, the united states of america, simply because of the god they worship. simply because they were muslim. that has been out on the table while every republican has endorsed this man. and i said, and i have stuck to it, i will never endorse donald trump. so long as he supports a muslim ban. i've said it clearly. listen, i predicted and mika predicted that the guy was going to win the nomination. they pissed a lot of people off because they were right and we were wrong. oh, you must be supporting him. no, i've always been clear. said i would never support a man. i also said, what he said about david duke was disqualifying. wrote it in "the washington post." so these republicans, this week, who were so shocked and stunned and deeply saddened and offended by this clear act of racism had all the evidence in the world before that he had done things that again stopped them from
endorsing him. how do you endorse paul ryan, a man that supports the banning of 1.4 billion muslims from ever entering the united states of america. you make him back down, actually. that's what i was hoping, perhaps we could put pressure on him to back down and change that policy. instead, al, he's doubled down. and now it's people that may have, what is it, 1/16th mexican blood. if you have 1/16th mexican blood, maybe you can't be a judge. this is unbelievable! he is getting worse, not better. >> the problem is, which is why your position was so responsible for the party, even though i'm sure people in the republican party thought you were selling out, when you would say that, is that you're talking about nominating him to be the president who will appoint federal judges. not only are you dealing with his own bias, you're saying he
ought to be appointing judges. and senators that are running on his ticket, who vote on confirming judges. i mean, the ramifications of this, that now we have a racist litmus test for who can be judges, and you're endorsing this, and you're running for re-election, or are you running for the senate? this is amazing -- >> al, paul ryan has just put the house of representatives in play. >> that's right. >> he cannot say, oh, well, donald trump's donald trump. donald trump's donald trump, but the houses is -- no, now he endorses donald trump. he endorses his racism against muslims, paul ryan endorses his racism against mexicans. paul ryan endorses his racism against americans who may have, oh, i don't know, 1/16th mexican blood in there, saying they're disqualified to be judges. >> but, joe, here's paul ryan. now he's pretending to be, and
i'm going to go there and just say it, he's pretending to be surprised about this, and then listen to mitch mcconnell when he's asked a simple question that i just asked on the set. is this racism? take a look. >> look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field from my mind. it's reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. and so, he clearly says and does things i don't agree with. and i've had to speak up on time to time when that has occurred and i'll continue to do that if necessary. i hope it's not. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. this judge was born in indiana. he is an american, period. when you come to america, you get to become an american. and trump, who has grandparents who came to the u.s. should undetand this as much as anybody. if a liberal were to attack justice clarence thomas on the grounds that he's black, we
would all go crazy. every conservative would say it's wrong and it's racism. >> he has essentially said he cannot be impartial because he's hispanic. is that not a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say. >> okay, but, do you -- why -- do you think it's a racist statement to say? >> i don't agree with what he had to say. >> it's a racist statement. >> what's wrong with him? >> it's a racist statement. >> can't answer it here on the set or "meet the press." what's wrong with him? >> newt gingrich came out and actually hammered -- >> a guy who wants to be on the ticket, publicly went out -- this is -- in the history of the country, it is one of the most un-american and bigoted things that anyone has said, and that is why he's being denounced by everyone. "the wall street journal" editorial page. newt gingrich, who has a history of saying divisive things. trump may say this is a brilliant way to triangulate or something, but it is so wrong that he is being condemned
across the board. i think these republicans hope that somehow when he became the presumptive nominee that he would change his ways and move more towards the center. to say these things about a judge, an actual judge, and then a hypothetical muslim judge, when there's no political upside to it whatsoever is -- it's astou astounding. and they're as upset by the political absurdity of it as they are by how horrible the things he's said are. it's un-american, for what he's said. and if he doesn't change it quick, i think a lot of the donors are going to give up on it. >> i think, also, paul ryan has to back up. >> just take it back. >> for instance, paul ryan said this was out of left field. no, it wasn't out of left field. paul ryan held a press conference saying how upset he was that donald trump was so bigoted towards muslims that he was going to ban 1.4 billion muslims from entering the united states of america. donald trump called this guy a mexican and said he might be
disqualified -- before paul ryan endorsed him! >> right. listen, donald trump has gone sort of beyond the line -- with a lot of groups. so, you know, he's called women "fat pigs" and blackballed megyn kelly for asking about it. he said muslims were a threat, ban them for -- you'll end up with very few groups of people that a president trump would deal with. you know, there are very few groups left to insult. >> or he can just go back and run over them again and have people like paul ryan just sit there and watch. donald trump's blunt manner of speaking raised a few eyebrows on the trail. we've got to get to hillary clinton at some point. but he called out a supporter at his rally friday. take a look. >> we had a case where we had an african-american guy who was a fan of mine. great fan. great guy! in fact, i want to find out what's going on with him. you know what i'm -- oh, look at my african-american over here!
look at him! >> nbc news -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. just let that breathe for a second. >> i can't, i need too move on. i'm nervous. i'm uncomfortable. >> al sharpton. >> i'm uncomfortable! >> al sharpton, what did donald trump just say? >> he said, "look at my african-american over there." this is the guy the republican party says should be in charge of the government of the united states and the armed services. to appoint judges, supreme court -- this is the guy. "look at my african-american over there." while the mexican judge, who is not mexican, he's indianan, can't be -- >> he's a hoosier, for god's sake! >> he's a hoosier! >> well, he can't be fair -- this is who you want to be in charge of the judiciary in terms of making nominations. >> i remember -- >> saying. >> i remember ross perot getting in trouble in 1992 for saying
the naacp, "you people," "you people," this is even worse! >> nbc news later spoke to the man in the audience, gregory cheadle, a candidate for congress, who said he didn't take any offense at all from trump. highlighting support for african-americans came up again, though, when he retweeted a supporter who posted a photo of an african-american family and the caption, "american families for trump," but according to an interview with buzzfeed, the people in the photo are not trump supports and they are not happy. >> what's this all mean, mark halperin? all of this combined -- >> there's a google angle to this story that's all taken out. >> the notion that you can unite the party, let alone the country saying things like this, that are just fundamentally un-american. to say a judge can't be fair because of his heritage. to say a judge can't be fair because of his or her religion
is making him, as you said, someone who may not be able to win even close in this election. and the fact that newt gingrich, who wants to be on the ticket, and who has a history of statements like this can be amongst a chorus of republicans. not one person coming to his defense, is testament to the fact that the guy -- >> does not want to win. >> doesn't understand what it would take not just to win, but to be fit to be considered for the office. >> will lose this. >> hillary clinton and newt gingrich do not agree on much. if they agree that statements like this are well beyond out of bounds. and i think, as i said, anything he wants to build with donors, a coalition to support, and if he won, to governor, it's not even in play with statements like this. nicole -- >> what does it mean about our republican party? >> so, listen, our voters picked him, and it means our republican party and our leaders better go figure out why. what were the good pieces of him? what was the part of his message
that our voters responded to overwhelmingly? because he didn't win in a squeaker. he roared to the nomination. and he had revealed his colors. he had denigrated women, he had denigrated muslims, he had made racist comments. and that wasn't the reason he won, but they overlooked those things, because the power of the rest of the message captured their imaginations and spoke to -- >> my brother, who i've been talking about all along. >> your brother has been obsessed with him. >> who's been the biggest supporter of him. >> so are my parents. they're disgusted. >> he's saying, i fought you all along, i don't understand what's happened over the past two weeks. he was going to be an alternate delegate up to the convention. he said no way. i'm going to sit back and wait and see what happens. he is shocked. he feels betrayed and he wants to know. he wants to know what donald trump is doing. because you know what he's scared of more than anything? >> hillary. >> hillary clinton being president of the united states. >> my parents too.
>> and he's basically saying, if you didn't want to beat hillary, you shouldn't have won the nomination! >> right. right. >> my parents, i think like your brother and i think you've got to give his supporters the benefit of the doubt. donald trump is running an ugly campaign, but his supporters were hoping for something better. and he is showing incredible disdain and disrespect for his base of support. he doesn't -- i mean, he cares more than he should about what we say, but it's never been about what we say, right? he roared to the nomination with people attacking his comments and temperament and lack of knowledge. his comments about getting his information about the military from the shows. we have pointed all these things out. his supporters were immune to that. what they are not immune to is his trajectory. which is that they've gone to someone they can pin their hopes on to someone they're embarrassed of. >> i think one of the things they've said, were ignored by some of his supporters. i think your brother is representative. i can't imagine an american who would agree with donald trump in saying, a judge from indiana,
who's got mexican heritage can't be trusted to judge fairly, in the best interests of the law? that got -- >> a lot of people. no matter where you sit, is that he is now the republican nominee. and you are looking at him now, not as a guy who's got a movement going for whatever reason, but you are offering him to be president. i mean, we started when we talked about ali and i was 12 to 13 years old. when i was 13, george wallace ran for president. but he never approached being president. you're talking about this guy, he's being held up by the senate majority leader and the speaker of the house, to be the president. so the ramifications of everything he says takes on a whole another kind of -- >> so i hope paul ryan, i hope mitch mcconnell, anybody who's endorsed him understands they've just endorsed that. they've just endorsed a person who has said those things. and believes those things.
and if you believe that person should be president, and you believe your endorsement should stand, good luck looking in the mirror this morning. >> if he's not besieged by people today telling him he needs to apologize and take it back, he doesn't have good advisers. >> and give him two hours, and if he doesn't take back the endorsement or you have no spine -- >> by the way, anybody that endorsed him, please, save your crocodile tears for somebody else. don't act shocked and stunned and deeply saddened. you knew what you were endorsing. you called out for it. and he'll give you nothing in return but more of this. >> you should have gotten something. that's called the art of the deal. >> unless you stand down. you've been suckered. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll go inside the trump campaign. katy tur joins us with more information about why some supporters are concerned trump isn't moving beyond the bare bones operation that won him that nomination.
and jeff flake who's hammering trump's comments as ignorant and offensive. and ron paul joins the conversation. and later, bob costas will be here to remember the life and legacy of muhammad ali. you're watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. soon. i like the bride more than the groom. turquois dresses... so excited. did all her exes get invited? no one's got moves like uncle joe. ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ when it's go, book with choice hotels and get a free $50 gift card for staying just two times. book direct at choicehotels.com. you always have a choice.
muhammad ali was one of the extraordinary people of our times. he was a man of extraordinary honesty and courage. to all of donald trump's supporter supporters who think it is appropriate to tell us that they love muhammad ali, but they hate muslims, understand -- understand that muhammad ali was a very devout muslim who took his religion very seriously. >> in one of the worst, actually, staging events of his entire campaign. >> it's becoming endearing,
though. >> president obama showed 30,000 empty seats behind him, while he had like 13,000 or 14,000 people in front of him. just put up a sign. >> it doesn't matter. it's what people love about him. >> it doesn't matter. >> in front of him were like 14,000 or 15,000 people. put up a sign. >> the money's going toward the revolution, not stage prep. the day hillary clinton gave her speech, her very well-received speech taking down trump, he gave an event simultaneously and it was like my 4-year-old had hung the drape. it was crooked and all scrunched. like, at some point it looks intentional. >> endearing. >> like, i'm not that guy. >> but he gets such big crowds. so with elections in six states, including new jersey one day away, hillary clinton is that much closer to potentially clinching the nomination. she is the projected winner in puerto rico and so far nbc news has given her 30 pledged delegates of the 60 there. over the weekend, she also
easily won the u.s. virgin islands. all of that means clinton could be -- for clinton, it could be an early night tomorrow when she's expected to cross the threshold of 2,831 nominates needed to delegate. a fund-raising e-mail sent out says, "any minute now, hillary clinton should become the first woman in the history of our country to win the nomination of any party. that wasn't fated or inevitable-it was because of people like you." clinton and her husband spent the night barnstorming the state. she will have done 19 events by the time her event is through. and while she sought to contrast her record with bernie sanders on issues like immigration, she was already looking ahead to her next opponent, donald trump. >> you know, earlier this week, i gave a speech in san diego, outline i
outlining -- outlining why i believe that donald trump is not qualified or temperamentally fit to be president or commander in chief. i didn't make these comments up, i think he's repeating the ones he made. i just went chapter and verse. we're going to have a very contentious campaign, because i'm going to point out at every single moment i can why i believe the republican nominee should never get near the white house. >> elizabeth warren, whose support has been sought after, as it has been elusive, tweeted over the weekend, this is what democrats united to beat donald trump look like. get ready, donald. we're coming. meanwhile, "the wall street journal" reports the sanders
camp is split on what approach to take after tuesday. and "the washington post" reports that sanders is likely to fall short because of missed opportunities. a failure to connect with key voting blocs is being stubborn over certain strategy choices. senior strategist tad devine told the paper, i don't think anybody had figured out how to win when we got in. it was, how do we become credible. but if bernie sanders is going to come up short, someone forgot to tell him. on sunday, meeting people on the piers of santa monica, and on saturday, greeting crowds of 13,000 people in los angeles in front of the iconic memorial coliseum. >> now, there is a backdrop. >> now, there you go. >> look at that blue. >> sanders has spent nearly a month in california with nearly 34 events and made it clear he was not giving in yet, applying pressure until the end. >> in virtually every state poll, we do much better against trump than does secretary
clinton. in terms of the national polls, we are 10.4%, 10.4 points ahead of him. she is scarily, only 1.5 points. >> if you asked me about the
clinton foundation, do i have a problem when a sitting secretary of state and a foundation run by her husband collects many millions of dollars from foreign governments, governments which are dictatorships. you don't have a lot of civil liberties with democratic rights in saudi arabia. you don't have a lot of respect there for opposition points of view, for gay rights, for women's rights. do i have a problem with that? yeah, i do. >> do you think it creates a position of conflict of interest? >> i do.
>> so still hammering away. >> still hammering away, and what's the impact? >> i think it could go either way. until a couple of days ago, i was for sure he wanted to go to the convention. and on principle, there's reasons for him to go. there's things at the convention he would like to use that platform for. and until super delegates cast their ballot, they haven't formally been for anybody. but the pressure on
him is going to be pretty strong, including some people around him, who are going to say, how do you plan to spend june and july. >> hillary within the to the convention, right? >> no, four days after the last contest, she got out. >> she gave a big speech, though, at the convention. >> there was a little tension going into the convention, but she wasn't contesting the nomination. >> and they had campaigned together. >> i think the pressure on him is going to be pretty high. and concluding from some people around him to get out. but i don't think it's a sure thing. as i said, there are reasons, there are principled reasons, he wants a progressive running mate, a progressive platform. he wants, business as usual within the party to change. the minute he gets out -- >> what do you make of elizabeth
warren's tweet? >> i think that it's very interesting. i think it's also interesting she never endorsed bernie sanders. and a lot of people are wondering, has she put herself in the position to be the one to broker uniting the party along with others? i think it's very interesting. i think there will also be pressure from many that are with sanders, saying, you've got to go all the way. pressure that, and can he handle that pressure. and his own beliefs that he's done a great job in raising issues. can he throw in the towel? but at the same time, every statement made by donald trump puts more pressure to say, we need to unite and stop this guy, so even many that are progressive are going to say, wait a minute, all bets are off. >> it can cut the other way, though. the more he looks like he can't win, the less urgent it is that he endorse her. >> that could cut either why, you're right. but we'll see if the republican leadership looks today to make
sure like he can't win. they've doubled down. >> they don't have a say, this is still about our voters, not about our leaders. and trump as recently as this weekend was echoing the sanders attack on clinton. voters are still hearing that, despiting what the gop leaders are doing. >> the must-read opinion pages are still ahead. and check out the "morning joe" newsletter for a complete wrap of our big guests and best moments. go to joe.msnbc.com to subscribe. we'll be right back. ♪ usg 60,000 points from chase ink card i bought all the framework... and plants needed tgive my shop... a ce... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business.
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that money is not god. and human dignity is very, very important. your integrity is way up there and as a single human being, if you carry yourself in a certain way, you can defy all evil that comes at us. >> that was nfl legend, jim brown, who was on nbc's "meet the press" on sunday morning, talking about the passing of his friend, muhammad ali. the boxer's death has been ruled septic shock due to unspecified natural causes. a public funeral will be held on friday, where former president bill clinton is expected to speak, along with bryant gumball and billy crystal.
>> reverend al, your thoughts? >> i think that this man is -- we will not see the likes of him again. you know, muhammad ali, as i said earlier, he redefined how we judged slsht and success. he made standing for something against all odds, you must remember, he didn't risk it all, he lost it all. he was the heavy weight champion of the world, and all the perks that went along with it. and he gave all of that up, because he wanted to take a stand on his religious beliefs. and he was stripped of his title, lost any possibilities of endorsements, lost wealth, and was convicted and sentenced to jail. he gave it all up. he had no way of knowing the supreme court was going to overturn that conviction. and ting that because he stood for something, even people that were pro-war at the time, and that were very right wing, they respected a guy that really stood by what he believed. and i think that that's why he's had the impact.
and to see him go from that, to lighting that torch, to being honored by george bush -- >> how about that, there you are, taking a punch at him. >> i got to know him until he died and he was the most genuinely nice guy, joe. he was a celebrity that never got caught up in it. he would actually run, looking for crowds and to be mobbed. he was a gentle guy, even to the end. i told the story the other night that i think gives you an idea. one of our national action network board members, who represents cam newton, and cam newton was a huge muhammad ali fan. even though he was a bowman when he was ali was chairman. he said, i want to get mrs. ali to wish him a happy birthday. i know the champ is sickly and doesn't speak well. and i called mrs. ali. she says, oh, yeah, we need who he is, i'll be glad to do that
on behalf of the chair. he gave me the time on the birthday to call her, and i called, connected cam newton and said, i have no idea. and i said, i have a surprise, mrs. muhammad ali is on the phone. and she said, champ, this is lonny ali, i want to wish you happy birthday. hold on a minute. and all of a sudden, you hear this voice say, man, you almost as pretty as me. and ali in a clear moment made the world to cam newton. this is just two years ago. that was the kind of guy he was. to know him was to a genuinely gentle guy when shook the world, but never, ever walked past an autograph or a lady that wanted a picture. he was a real humane kind of guy. >> that's a beautiful way to put it. thank you, reverend al. straight ahead, after the 2012 race, someone warned the republican party about their tone towards hispanics. this person said democrats, what they had going for them is that they weren't mean spirited about immigration. you won't believe who said that.
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correspondent, katy tur, who's covering the trump campaign. also with us, director of politics studies at stanford university, lon hi-chen. katy, you have new reporting this morning that dronald trump does not have a campaign. so explain that. that's a problem. >> it is essentially the title of the report. he doesn't have much of campaign. he hasn't grown since he got the nomination. the campaign says they are currently trying to grow the operation and they will be growing the operation. we are told that there should be some new hires this week and "the new york times," of course, is reporting that they hired a replacement for rick wiley, jim murphy, but other than that, they don't really have a communications team. they have one person who deals
with the hundreds of media requests he's getting during the day and no rapid response. when hillary clinton comes out with a foreign policy speech that blasts him, they don't have a response to it. >> but is there a -- i've heard there's growing internal dissent. >> there's growing internal dissent. >> on the inside that this kpab is just not taking off. >> absolutely. and for the first time, i'm hearing inside the campaign, the same thing that i've been hearing outside the campaign. especially with some of the more outrageous comments or controversial comments, you guys have been calling them racist comments earlier this morning, about judge curiel. i'm hearing aides say that this is extraordinarily frustrating to them that they believe these are the sort of things that will end up sinking this campaign. the biggest hurdle right now is the candidate himself, because he says what he wants, no matter what they do behind the scenes. >> do they have any theory as to why he's been acting the way he has over the past couple of weeks? >> no. >> going to wisconsin, he had a horrible stretch, self-corrected, had a couple of
clean weeks. and won a lot of contests. >> and i'm not sure what it is. what's going on in the past two weeks. people have been asking and have been trying to figure it out. it seems he has a shorter fuse in the past few weeks. he's been doing positive reinforcement of his veterans' money that he raised. and the judge curiel comments are just, for a lot of people, a bridge too far. is it enough for them to quit and to find work elsewhere? no, not as of now. but they think at the same time they can hire all the people that they want. they can hire the best people, if they could get them. but it doesn't ultimately matter, because donald trump will say what he wants. >> you've heard one of the things i've heard, which is that they're having a hard time figuring out how to get him to learn. and this is a point where you have to start learning some new things about foreign policy. you have to start fleshing out a way to pass a commander in chief
test. what do they say the hurdles are to that? >> i'm told by sources, the only two people that donald trump actually listens to are hope and cory. and that's his communications -- not director, officially, but essentially. and cory lewandowski, who is his manager. and they travel with him on the plane. and i'm told that when he's out there, they have complete and total access to him. they're a firewall, in many ways. >> this is where a lack of campaign infrastructure is going to start to hurt him. there's no surrogates to back him up. maybe there wouldn't be a chorus of support anyway when he says crazy things. there's no communications team, there's no policy team. there's no standard infrastructure of a campaign. you have the pirate ship captain and the pirate ship, but that's it. >> the problem isn't the structure or lack thereof of the campaign, the problem is the candidate. but, i mean, that is the problem. but there is no infrastructure whatsoever. donald trump's not saying he's not going to target, he's going
to go and give big speeches at big rallies. and trump has specifically decided, this is how he wants it. >> i think he's absolutely exhausted to the point where he's almost delirious. no, i'm -- >> that's probably part of it. >> i'm serious and i don't mean it as a joke. i think a lot of the things that are coming out of his mouth are delirium. he's a guy who doesn't sleep. he's extremely high strung. he works 24 hours a day. this is not my -- this is what he'll tell you. >> and by the way, mika. >> he can't rein it in. >> and you've said this before. actually, you've said it on the air a good bit, that reading from a teleprompter -- >> is the easiest thing in the world. >> doing it the way every other candidate does it, that's easy. donald trump goes out, 69 years old, does a stand-up routine two, three, four times a day in the hot sun, he gets no sleep. he exhausts himself. >> probably dehydrated.
>> he has no support system, because he doesn't want a support system. >> no campaign. >> cory and hope. >> all this adds up. it's very obvious that at this point, he is absolutely exhausted. by his own choice. >> that's right. people don't realize how hard it is to run for president, physically. right? mitt was in great shape in 2008 and 2012. the guy worked out pretty much every day and, you know, he wasn't a young guy, but he was able to do it, because he conditioned himself to do it. >> part of the discipline for running for president. >> and with trump, it's pretty clear, he's just all over the place. >> and i think speaking of all over the place, after the 2012 election, donald trump spoke with news max, where he diagnosed romney's loss in part, quote, because of the party's mine spirited and unwelcoming attitude towards people of color, specifically latinos. he said in part mitt romney had a crazy policy of self-deportation, which was maniacal.
it sounded as bad as it was and he lost all the latino vote. he went on to say, he lost the asian vote. he lost everyone who's inspired to come into this country. he said the democrats didn't really have a policy in dealing with illegal immigration, but, quote, what they were is they were kind. >> isn't that something? >> it's surreal. and here we are, just four years ago, when everybody was trying to figure out why the republicans had lost, donald trump said what everyone else was saying. not only did we lose black americans in record rates, we lost hispanic americans in record rates, and asian americans, who tropically in the past had trended republican, we lost asian americans. >> and lost women by larger margins. bush had shrunk the gender gap, which is how he had his decisive victory in '04. everything's trump doing is reinforcing all of the things that lead to our defeats in '08 and '12. and the stunning thing about immigration is that he knows
better. the stunning thing to me about trump is that he -- you know, his impulses and his instincts are not toward the more divisive policies of the republican party in recent history. he's barely literate in the language of the social issues, which divide our movement more than any others. and yet, he's managing to be the most divisive figure our party has ever seen. >> this is a guy who met with dreamers just a few years ago. this is a guy who talked about a pathway to legalization of citizenship. and now he's out there, way on the other side of the issue. >> saying that if you have. >> why can't he find another candidate? >> saying if you have any mexican heritage. >> bill kristol keeps trying. >> mr. wrong. >> we have a guy who has said all of this, who now goes after a guy who was born if indiana. >> i think what you have here, which this is what a lot of people say behind the scenes, this is what a lot of the strategists worry about and what a lot of democrats even say, they believe that at his core, donald trump is an opportunist. if he saw this opening in the democratic party the way he saw
this in the republican party, he would have run as a democrat. all you have to do to understand donald trump, and i did this the other day, read "the art of the deal" everything is completely laid out. it's all about trusting his gut as opposed to trusting a pr machine or data machine. he does not fundamentally believe in them. he believes about walking into a room, not necessarily prepared, reading the room, and deciding where to go from there. that is what he has done this entire campaign. he does not have policy behind him, not because he doesn't have a staff, he doesn't want the policy behind him, because he's not hiring the staff. he goes into the room. this is why you're seeing the same campaign speech over and over, that essentially hasn't changed now for 11 months. build a wall, muslim ban, et cetera, because he reads the room and the room reacts and he keeps going with it. >> katy tur, thank you. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." (vo) on the, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it.
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you worry that mary goldwater would leave a stain on the party. do you worry that donald trump will leave a stain on the party the way goldwater did? >> i am concerned about the hispanic vote. america's changing. when ronald reagan was elected, 84% of the american electorate was white. this november, 70% will be. i think it's a big mistake for our party to write off latino americans. they're an important part of our country and soon to be, if not already, the largest minority group in the country. and soy i am concerned about tt and i hope he'll change his direction on that. >> so mitch mcconnell asked three times whether it was
racist to say that a guy -- >> how can you not answer a question like that, if i may ask, please? >> let me just start by saying it's june the 6th. >> happy birthday, carlie. >> sorry. 18! >> it's big. >> her daughter turns 18. >> i have no more kids. >> it's big! >> no, trust me -- >> what? >> anybody that has kids that are over 18, they will give you four words. >> it never ends? >> three words. >> big kids, big problems. harold knew that one. you've heard that before, right. >> i've heard it. >> she sleeps with the night-night she got when she was born. >> is that bad? >> my dad says it never ends. >> so cute. >> it never does. >> she's so cute. >> so a lot of things happened today. carlie's born. june 6th. >> yes! >> the passing of bobby kennedy, one of my political idols and the reason, along with ronald
reagan, as weird as it sounds, i got into politics because of bobby kennedy and ronald reagan. and bobby kennedy, inspired in large part the night martin luther king died in indianapolis. >> kills that speech. >> i think it's one of the greatest speeches in american history. and as jeff greenberg bitterly -- greenfeld, i mean, bitterly states, since he was probably a speechwriter, he goes, and the son of a bitch, he wrote it himself. >> hate it when that happens. >> but also the speech he gave in south africa two years before, on this very date, one of the great speeches. >> so -- >> and also, of course, d-day. we remember the men and women who scaled the cliffs of normandy in 1944. and it just -- the boys -- the boys of omaha beach, who liberated europe, liberated the world and kept this world free. >> along with nicole, we have msnbc political analyst and professor of the university of
michigan school of public policy, and former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> and former mccain senior campaign strategist, and msnbc political analyst, and professor at the university of michigan. >> wow! >> public policy. >> we're both a teaching -- >> harold ford jr., and mark halperin is here as well. so, steve schmidt, i'm sure -- >> couldn't get that. >> i'm sure those young men -- >> he's reading prompters. >> i'm sure those boys were scaling the cliffs, the jagged cliffs at omaha beach and normdy that morning, so many years ago, for the opportunity for americans to go up and vote for a president that says that if you were born in america, but if your relatives were 1/16th or 1/8th mexican, that you were unqualified to be fair as a judge. >> one of the most beautiful places any american could ever visit is the american cemetery in normandy, which lies t s on
cliffs above omaha beach. and what you're struck by there in this place of beauty and serenity, is all of those graves face west towards home. an army at permanent, silent rest. and you think about that army at rest judging, back home, you know, the country that they left. most of them hadn't been 50 m e miles from their hometowns to save the world. what would they think? and that army of liberation was made up of all the people of the world. made up of germans and italians and poles, the sons of immigrants. and what brings us together as a country is the only country in the world that is formed on the basis of an idea, that all men are created equal. it's not where you were born, but buying into that idea. and this judge is not a mexican, he's an american. he's every bit as much an american as donald trump is. and someone who wants to be the republican nominee. someone who wants to be
president of the united states must understand that. must understand the nature of -- >> there shouldn't even be an argument. >> you see cross sz and you see stars of david and what you find, as you're at normandy, at the cemetery, that faces west and looks out over the english channel, and is just -- it is absolutely the most stunning, most moving place i've ever been in my life. you also see that christians died on that battlefield. you see that jews died on that battlefield. you see that muslims died on that battlefield. and they all fought for freedom. to free the world from a tyrant that was actually separating people based on religion, based on creed. and it's staggering that here we are in 2016, and you have a presidential candidate going on tv yesterday saying if anybody in your family was mexican or if -- >> or muslim. >> or if anybody in your family
is muslim, you may not be qualified to be a judge in the united states of america. >> and true to form, to this republican party, many of them endorsing him and spineless and shallow. >> and i wonder how much of this is on us as the establishment figures, much hated by the base of o our party, but how much of this is on us, as the establishment class of the republican party? do we lose faith with our base, to the point we have no more credibility with our base. you've been writing about this for years, that our base was crying out for more populist economic policies that our base saw an establishment that def d defended wall street for no reason. our base got nothing out of wall street. how much of is this is -- >> i read three books in '94 and 2009 and 2013 after the loss, all talking about the same thing. instead, we've had this party taken over by a guy that speaks to those populist yearnings, but
mixes in racially intemperate remarks, whether it's about banning muslims, whether it's, again, something that we said back in december. i remember saying, is this what nazi germany -- is this what germany looked like in 1933. or pretending he doesn't know who david duke is. acting ignorant when it comes to the clan. and he's only getting worse. >> look, if you extend his argument out to its logical end, it basically means the that when you are being judged by the law or you're being examined by a group of your peers, they have to look just like you, come from the same -- have the exact same background as you do, as part of american -- >> therefore you're not fit to think. >> right, so in other words, i think steve said it better than i've heard anyone say it here over the last few days. that would mean that blacks should only judge blacks, whites should only judge whites, asians should only judge asians and hispanics should only judge
hispanics. i think this is among the continuum of things he's said that have to make people stand back and wonder if this is the person you want in the white house. newt gingrich said it better than anybody. you're now the republican nominee. you're no longer running for the republican nomination, where some things can be said -- >> which is a terrible kpoo exco begin with. >> i agree, but as the nominee, you have a bigger responsibility. >> so these republicans who have endorsed him have gotten nothing from him. nothing. nothing at all. and quite frankly, paul ryan's productive conversations have gotten him nothing at all. i don't know what they were. >> he's actually gotten worse. >> here's donald trump on friday over the weekend, continuing to attack the federal judge over seeing the trump university case, which you ought to take a look at, for his ethnicity. take a look. >> he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say, why?
well, i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico. not another country. >> but he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> he's mexican heritage. and he's very proud of it. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> though. i don't think so at all. >> no? >> no. he's proud of his heritage. >> but you're saying he can't do his job because of it. >> look, he's proud of his heritage, okay? i'm building a wall. >> why -- why did you refer to his ethnicity, donald? >> because his heritage is mexican. >> so what? >> and i want to build a wall. and i'm get along great, i think, with hispanics, and i want to build a wall. there are some people who don't like it. >> but some of the numbers don't indicate that. do you think you have to dial it back? >> look, i have to be what i have to be. >> if it were a muslim judge, would you also feel like they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours? >> it's possible, yes. that would be possible, absolutely. >> isn't there sort of a tradition in america that we don't judge people by who their
parents are and where they come from. >> i'm talking about common sense, okay? he's proud of his heritage. i think that's great. >> but you're saying it's a barrier to him doing his job? >> well, he's not treating my fairly. >> he's not talking about common sense, he's talking about racism. he calls this guy mexican -- he says, the guy's a mexican. the guy's an indianan, he's a hoosier! he's every bit as much of an american as donald trump is. every bit as much. and he says, absolutely, a muslim judge couldn't be fair, as well. >> he's an american. >> stop! this has to stop. >> these racist comments. >> he's a mexican. >> by definition, he means that no judge who takes an oath is unable to live up to his or her oath, because at the end of the day, they will retreat to who they are -- >> no, he's -- >> what their bloodline is. >> are we talking about horses? >> what if he was adopted! this is so crazy!
>> do we need to go to ancestry.com! this is crazy. >> here's what's important. what makes you an american, if you're not from the country, if you're not a natural born citizen, is that you take an oath. >> but he is. >> he is, i want to be clear. but what makes you an american is swearing an oath of allegiance to the constitution of the united states. and that's it. then you're an american as much as the americans who came off -- >> do you know what happens after that? you're every bit as much american as you or you -- >> are we really having this conversation? >> that's what separates us from other countries where people move to those countries and don't become part of the social fabric for centuries. >> if donald trump becomes president of the united states, he ascends to the office of president with a 35-word oath that he swears to preserve, protect, and ee eed defend the constitution of the united states. and in that constitution, it makes very clear, we don't have
a religious test for public office in the united states. it's what separates us from the other countries of the world. and this federal judge, an american, born in indiana, every bit as much an american as donald trump is, he has sworn an oath to defend the constitution of the united states. and this is important. >> i'm glad we've spent 12 minutes explaining this to people. no, i cannot believe we have to explain this. and there are some republicans who apparently don't understand this. trump's insistence on using the judge's heritage as a sign of bias was not well received by leaders and supporters in his own party, sort of. >> look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field from my mind. it's reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. and so, he clearly says and does things i don't agree with and i've had to speak up on time to time when that has occurred, and i will continue to do that if
necessary. i hope it's not. >> this is one of the worst mistakes the trump has made. and i think it's inexcusable. this judge was born if indiana. he is an american. period. when you come to america, you get to become an american. and trump, who has grandparents who came to the u.s. should understand this as much as anybody. if a liberal were to attack justice clarence thomas on the grounds that he's black, we would all go crazy. every conservative would say it was wrong and it was racism. >> he has essentially said he cannot be impartial because he's hispanic. that's a -- is that not a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like this. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say? >> okay. but do you -- why -- were you -- do you think it's a racist statement to say? >> i don't agree with what he had to say. >> mark halperin, is that a racist statement? >> why can't he tell the truth? >> this is a statement that goes to so many different things
about race, about national origin, heritage, the muslim comment about religion. and you know, i know, mika, one level, spending all this time on it is seemingly sort of like overkill. but this is the republican nominee. and it's not just the republican elites who have endorsed him now and are criticizing him, but still endorsing him, but the voters who voted for him, like joe's brother, who are asking the question, is this the kind of representation we want at the top of the ticket? and you see people like rob portman and kelly ayotte, who have tough senate re-election campaigns, denouncing him. i think this one will go on for a good, long while. it's not going to be like a trump comment that people kind of move on from. until and unless he apologizes. and even then, he can't unring the bell of what he said and what it represents about his view. as harold said, about what judiciary means. what it means to be an american. >> and you have again, newt gingrich offered some of the toughest, i thought, some of the
toughest -- >> then he made a comment about african-americans, it just went on and on and on with donald trump. >> he said, look at my african-american -- >> oh, we have that. that's what i was trying to get here. >> so this is donald trump, just pointing out someone who supports him. >> we had a case where we had an african-american guy, who was a fan of mine. great fan. great guy! in fact, i want to find out what's going on with him. do you know what i'm -- oh, look at my african-american over here! look at him. >> no, no, no, don't. >> what? what was that? >> he's exhausted. he's delirious, he's out of his mind. that is what it is. >> what century is he from? >> stuff is spewing out of his mouth. he's not thinking. he didn't mean it. >> do you think he'll sound better when he's rested? you think trump at his best doesn't have any of these thoughts. these are his instincts. >> he reinforces some of the worst instincts people can have. it's almost like saying, if i go
to a doctor who happens to be not my race or she doesn't give me -- i don't know if i'm getting the right advice because i don't look like him. or you're getting a taxi here in new york, they won't take me because they don't look he. it's a disgusting thing to watch. and what's more disgusting than me to is to watch people not in unisome con come out and denoun what he's done. no one around this table falls in that camp. but what has been done to make the people in the country want to look to him and be supportive of someone who makes the kind of un-american -- >> well, we certainly need leadership in washington. unless this is the road you want to go down. >> i don't have any problem with him attacking liberal philosophy. newt gingrich said it best, if he believes this judge is too liberal, that's fair game. but what he's attacking people on and the fact that we have people supporting him i think is more disconcerting than the
things he's saying. >> conservative commentator and trump on the, erick erickson is out with a blistering editorial, hitting the republican establishment and the media for not calling trump out for his attacks on judge curiel's mexican heritage. quote, the attacks are racist, mitch mcconnell, to claim that someone is unable to objectively and professionally perform his job, because of his race, is racism. and damn the gop for its unwillingness to speak up on this. the leaders of the party confronted by todd akin, abandoned ship for a stupid statements on rape and abortion, but the party of lincoln intends to circle the wagons around a racist? damn them for that. >> bless his heart. >> chuck todd read senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, that editorial yesterday, and this was his response. >> i think the party of lincoln wants to win the white house and the right of center world needs to respect the fact that the primary voters have spoken.
donald trump has won the nomination the old-fashioned way. he got more votes than anybody else. is he the perfect candidate for a lot of us? he isn't. but we have a two-party system here. >> nicole, you gasped, and said, oh, my god. >> because i think when you invoke lincoln in the defense of racism, it ties my brain in a knot i won't be able to untie for hours. >> he says we want to win no matter what. >> no, we're not a party that wins no matter what. john mccain would not want to win no matter what. mitt romney would not win at any expense. mitch mcconnell gave very unsfoirkt answers. do they want different things than what its leaders are giving them? our voters identify the right problem, right? the establishment is vastly out of touch with the base of the party on the question of economic security. it's out of step with the base of our party on national -- our base does not want to go to war in the middle east to solve problems that they don't
understand the connection to our national security. but our base has not become fundamentally racist. >> and steve schmidt, this is now, as i said, now that paul ryan's all in -- >> i wouldn't call it all in. >> you now have the house and the senate suddenly in play. this could be armageddon for the republicans in 2016. >> i would disagree that they're all in. i would say what they're trying to do is walk down the middle line in the middle of the highway, which is a great place to get run over from. the leader said, we have a two-party system. what i would say back to the leader is not for very much longer. what we talked about, d-day today. let me give an analogy. there's every possibility that the republican party looks like b berlin in may of 1945, by the time this election is over. having been krushd and losing
control of the senate, with our house majority down to less than ten seats. there is a political reckoning coming, unless and until republican leaders are able to speak truth to power, if you will, be able to communicate to the american people. you have a great moment during the mccarthy hearings. you had secretary welch say, finally, at long last, sir, do you have no sense of decency? where are the leaders who will put principle over politics? and as much as anything, with this election shows the american people yearning for is toughness, is guts, and courage. but courage not to speak to the darkest impulse, but what has always been true in american history, for leaders to reach out to the better angels of our nature. we talk about d-day. one of the great acts of heroism on that day, the son of a president of the united states, teddy roosevelt jr., brigadier general, the first man at his insistence off of the landing crafts at utah beach, looks
around and realizes immediately they had landed miles to the west. he said, it's fine. he goes, we start the war from here. and that man, the son of a president, buried next to his brother in that cemetery overlooking the beaches of omaha, in that army at rest there, was made of jews and christians and american indianas and poles and germans and all the peoples of the world who came to this place, to this free country. and for the republican nominee, the steward of the party of abraham lincoln, to be making these comments and for them to be accommodated, to excuse the way by the leadership of the party, including the senate majority leader, including the speaker of the house, it guarantees that that political party, the third oldest in the world, will not endure, as we know it today, long past this election in november. >> i'm still hoping the that
endorsements will be revoked. that was beautifully put. i've never seen it before, i don't think, but why not start now, paul ryan? and others. still ahead on "morning joe," republican senator jeff flake of arizona, who has been, shall we say, hesitant to support donald trump. also ahead this morning -- >> i don't want to pick a fight, but if i were him, i would be screaming, too, because if you figure this out, they're toast for election day. >> bill clinton had a few words for bernie sanders supporters yesterday in california. the former president has largely stayed on message in the primaries, but will that change in the general election? kasie hunt spoke with bill clinton on the trail over the weekend and she joins us next with that reporting. hey there, hi. why do people have eyebrows? why do people put milk on cereal? oh, are you reading why people put milk on cereal? why does your tummy go "grumbily, grumbily, grumbily"? why is it all (mimics a stomach grumble) no more questions for you!
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eight years ago and joining us from los angeles, msnbc political correspondent, kasie hunt. with a look at his unique role. kasie? >> reporter: mika, good morning. it's been really all hands on deck for the clintons here in california in this final sprint. and it's actually put bill clinton out on the trail, even more frequently than his wife. and you guys remember, he caused her some headaches in 2008, and there's been a lot of focus internally on whether or not he could do a better job this time. so i spent some time on the trail this weekend to try to find out. >> once the big dog -- >> william jefferson clinton! >> getting comfortable on a smaller stage. >> look at this guy's t-shirt. it said, bill clinton for first lady. >> reporter: he's older now. >> i would like to be 25 years old, too. i was, a few years ago. >> reporter: and a little bit
wiser than he was in 2008, when he got himself in trouble criticizing barack obama. >> this whole thing is the biggest fairy tale i've ever seen. >> reporter: this year, he's campaigned for his wife more than 400 times in 40 states. and he's kept it almost all about her. >> i hope you'll help her. >> reporter: his entourage is smaller and so are his events. unless you're reading the local paper, you'd hardly know he jammed with a band in north dakota, tossed back some rum in puerto rico. >> whoa! >> reporter: and campaigned for just a couple hundred people in compton, bringing out those who remember the best of his presidency. >> he was the only white/black president in office. >> reporter: but clinton himself acknowledges the general election is set to be the nastiest in recent memory. >> what does this political moment remind you of more than any orr time in your political career? >> the contentious of it is the most extreme i've seen, but when i ran in '92, i was also smashed
by the republicans for a year. >> reporter: this year, republicans want voters to remember bill clinton as slick willy. >> white water, impeachment, lies. he didn't have sex with that woman. >> reporter: so far, bill clinton has kept his cool. >> i think people are smart enough to figure this out. >> reporter: but five months are many life times in politics, and donald trump isn't about to let up. i know what donald trump is doing. he's trying to bait bill clinton. he wants this debate. bill clinton has the tendency of taking the bait. it will be interesting to see whether he can resist that temptation. >> and you saw earlier that bill clinton did say that he thinks bernie will be toast or at least that his supporters know he will be toast after election day. so clearly, it's right below the surface. the other thing i also talked to bill clinton about on the rope line was how democrats can unify after tuesday, and he was very careful to steer clear, but he made the point that he and hillary clinton both campaigned
hard for barack obama in 2008 after she lost, kind of suggests where he thinks bernie sanders should go from here, guys. >> thank you, kasie. and one thing that bernie sanders ought to keep in mind is that when hillary clinton and bill clinton campaigned for obama, they also negotiated a nice job for her. >> maybe they did. >> a deal. >> absolutely. they did. >> jonathan capehart, welcome to the show. you're wanting to continue the conversation about donald trump. >> yes, we, the only thing i wanted to add to everything that was said, and it's the condemnation of what donald trump said, i think is great to hear, but anybody who is surprised by what's happening now, by the trouble that -- >> are you talking about paul ryan? >> i'm talking about the trouble that donald trump is in by saying -- >> well, paul ryan's surprised. >> quote, it's out of left
field. >> no, it's not. anybody who was watching donald trump's announcement on june 16th, 2016, when he said that mexico is sending over their rapists and this and that, and it went downhill from there. anyone who is surprised that he is lashing out at an american judge whose parents or whose lineage is from mexico, who says that muslim american judge would somehow be biased, would put heritage above the law, anyone who is surprised by this has not been paying attention for 355 day. and it's so interesting, paul ryan says it's out of left field, but paul ryan criticized him on the muslim ban, but still supports him, have been though he suggests banning muslims. how is the response to what newt gingrich has said about donald trump? >> we've got the first reaction from trump on fox and friends this morning, was asked about gingrich's criticism and said what gingrich said was
inappropriate and talked a lot about the facts of his civil case on trump u. i think this is a big moment for this nomination fight. yes, as jonathan and others have said, this should not be a surprise. trump has said other things like this in the past. it's the moment where he's trying to consolidate the republican party. where a lot of republicans like paul ryan basically took a leap of faith and said, we have no choice but to endorse. we're hoping to influence him. and this shows people have no influence on him. he's been battered all weekend, when no one's come to his defense, he's criticizing newt gingrich by acknowledging an error. and acknowledging an error on this issue, it's too little for a lot of people. >> the republican party cannot afford to take a leap of faith on donald trump. what paul ryan should have done. they got nothing out of him.
they should revoke their endorsements or they are literally playing into this. and pretend to be surprised, is a joke. >> and as steve schmidt said, you now, harold ford, have the senate and the house at play. because you have their leaders supporting donald trump. >> and looking like complete fools. >> you've said it over and over again and said it again this morning. when -- in defense of paul ryan, when paul was elected speaker, and and i was a friend of john boehner, but when he was elected speaker, it was a fresh of breath air. and i take him at his word, that perhaps he thought this guy would be different. you're right now, mika. he has a responsibility. and i hope that my friend, if he believes what he said -- >> and i happen to agree with that. he might have surprised after their conversation. i don't know what they talked about privately. after listening to trump, and what mark is saying, he doubled down this morning on those comments this morning on another network. i don't think there's any doubt the republican leadership has a response -- >> has to act! >> has a responsibility to act
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didn't want to just move on. but we're not in control. obviously, god is in control and everything, pretty much, is written. and it was time for him to go. and i know he's in a better place now and he's talking again and moving again and doing all the things that he couldn't do in this body. and i'm happy for that. even though i will miss him deeply. >> that was move muhammad ali's daughter, lila ali, moments ago on the "today" show. with us now is bob costas. bob, "the greatest show on earth," possibly, the greatest heavyweight boxer ever. what are your thoughts and remembrances of muhammad ali? >> so many things have been said over the last 48 hours plus, some of them by me in other places. so, just to focus on -- >> give us the best of costas. >> i don't know if it's the best, but some points that haven't been hit as hard. we were just talking about it during the break. when first cashius clay and then
muhammad ali were the heavyweight champion of the world, boxing was mainstream. they were live, and if they were pay per view, muhammad ali would be sitting there, they would show you the whole fight. now, who's the best boxer in the world? maybe pound for pound, floyd y mayweather. most people have never seen him fight. the fights are on hbo or pay per view, whatever it may be. he wasn't just a unique person with a unique personality and extraordinary talent and all the charisma and everything everyone has talked about. he had the platform. >> and i was talking about how my entire family, it sounds like the 1930s, but the early '70s, fight of the century, we all sat around the radio listening. we listened when he fought norton. we listened to the -- i remember the thrilla in manilla, staying up late and listening to that. all of them. he was the greatest show on earth. and he was a hero to many, he was a villain to many. you were talking about the politics. he split it right down the middle, because of his position on vietnam.
>> when he fought joe frazier, especially the first one, the so-called fight of the century in '71 at madison square garden, people chose sides based on political preferences, not so much, i like this guy's boxing style as opposed to that guy's. and an unfortunate victim of that was joe frazier. joe frazier was an admirable man. was he as profound a man as muhammad ali? not even close. but he was a great fighter and an admirable man. and ali turned him into a foil, called him the white man's champion. and joe did not have the -- >> called him a gorilla. >> ridiculed him. >> right. >> actually made racial -- >> things that would be outrageous. >> that he actually let ali bother money, tried to be a friend, wanted to give him a second chance. and he said he didn't understand ali attacking him, it was part of the big show. >> when ali was in exile, joe
tried to befriend him and tried to support him. you know, i'm thinking of a contemporary of ali's, like arthur ash. in many ways, arthur ash was the most impressive person that i've met in sports. intellectually, principled, but arthur ash, while a great tennis player, was never the greatest tennis player. and tennis has never been to america what baseball was, especially in jackie robinson's time. what boxing was in muhammad ali's time. arthur ash had everything you'd want in a human being. he didn't have the flamboyance of muhammad ali, but he had the integrity and the intellect. but he didn't have a platform. >> bob, speak to one moment, howard cosell and muhammad ali's relationship and interdependence and how they both used that platform to grow their own celebrity, but more importantly to grow what they did for the public space today. >> the terrific sports writer, david kindred wrote a book about the relationship between the two of them. and cosell, although the world, was fascinated by ali, cosell
gave him a television platform on a consistent basis. and they played off of each other perfectly. and it was obvious that there was affection and you have to give cosell tremendous credit. consensus formed after the fact. when ali was a poll-rising figure, cosell stood up for him and he took the flack and a lot of that flack was anti-semitic in nature, because of cosell's own background. so, you know, howard could be overbearing at times, but he was principled in a number of stands, especially that one. that's the proudest note on howard cosell's resume, is his relationship with muhammad ali. which was also humorous. ali would say, howard, every time you open your mouth, you should be prosecuted for air pollution! you could have been a boxer, but they couldn't find a mouthpiece big enough for your mouth, howard! howard, your name is phony and your hair comes from the tail of a pony! >> how can i follow that?
but one of the things in reading all of the stories about muhammad ali. as a kid, when there is a fight on television, that was a family moment. you gathered around and you watched the fight. but in reading the stories about muhammad ali and you know, his greatest line was, i'm the greatest of all time. in reading the stories about his fighting style and especially the fight against sunny listin, all the sports writers said, he was toast. he was going down, he was going to go down to defeat, primarily because his fighting style was unlike anything anyone has ever seen. muhammad ali knew he was the greatest before he fought sunny listin. and with this unique fighting style. and then when it all finished, muhammad ali was proven rate. >> yeah, listin was such a fearsome figure. he was george foreman before george foreman, mike tyson before mike tyson. he had taken floyd patterson out in consecutive fights in first-round knockouts. then cashius clay was a 7-1
underdog. and even fighters who were thought to be defensive experts, they didn't fight with their hands to their sides. they bobbed and weaved. he leaned back. and the boxing expert said he'll lean back, listin will step in and knock him on his keister. didn't happen that way. >> never happened. >> we've got to go, but really quickly, i'm just curious, do you think the 75 fight in manila was the greatest boxing match ever? >> boy, it was a war of attrition and if you have 30 seconds, what summed it up, i think the relationship between the two of them, because they had given each other physical abuse and in the case of ali, toward frazier, verbal abuse. and they met in the middle of the ring, at some point during the fight, and a begrudging show of respect, ali said, old joe frazier, they told me you was all washed up. and frazier spat back, they told you wrong, pretty boy. and he proceeded to beat the crap out of each other some more. >> in the first fight, in the fight of the century, that amazing moment straight out of a
movie where frazier was hitting him, and ali said, don't you know, i am god. and frazier says back, well, god, you came to the wrong place tonight. thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being here. >> thank you, guys. >> we'll be right back. the call just came in. she's about to arrive. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready. giving them the agility to be flexible & reliable. because no one knows & like at&t.
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if this doesn't change, we're in for big trouble. >> so do you think, that, like, party leaders who have endorsed him should perhaps revoke their endorsements at this point? >> no, party leaders are trying to mold him and brick him back -- >> but it's not working. >> it's clearly not working right now. >> it's gotten worse, in fact. >> statements this week on the judge, that's a new level. because it's not just, you know,
ill-informed or ignorant statements. but they suggest that when he's president, you know, after november, that, you know, perhaps he ought to go after that judge. that's a whole new level. so that's -- it's very disturbing. >> also, a guy that was born in america. a guy from the midwest like paul ryan, born in indiana. he's not even looking at his citizenship. he's not his place of birth. he's going in. this sounds like nuremberg. 132nd jewish. are you 1/16 black, 1/8 mexican. what standard is this? it's not american. >> the whole thing the republicans favor against this identity politics to say that if you are a certain gender or certain race that you have to vote that way. he's just trying to confirm that stereotype that's completely wrong. and it just -- it's offensive. it really is. and this week it was a whole new level. >> is there any reason why you
would think that he should be president? >> he was not my first choice nor my 17th choice. >> you had to have one. >> he's the nominee, and we'll have to deal with that. i hope that he changes. we haven't yet seen -- >> but you're not endorsing him? >> no. i -- it's uncomfortable not having endorsed the republican nominee. i have to say. >> do you think jeb bush staked out a reasonably principled position by saying he won't vote for donald trump or hillary clinton? do you see yourself in that position? >> i hope to be able to support the nominee. i certainly can't right now. >> is there any other candidate that you could support? >> no, i don't think there's time for a third party candidate at this point. i think we have what we have. and we're not in a good situation. let's face it. but we hope that he'll come
around. we hope that the muslim ban on this latest statement, i hope he walks it back. he seems to for a day or two, but you never know where he's going to be the next day. and so -- >> that's what you're going to be deal with? >> part of the conversation over the last several weeks has been about what this says about the base of the republican party. and the base is not where donald trump is, but the base in large part helped propel him to the nomination. what does this is a about the republican base in your estimation? this is not the arizona republican base but may be other bases around the country. what does this mean going forward? >> he won arizona. he did, but there's a big difference between winning a primary and winning a general election. he'll have trouble in arizona if he continues to stake out the positions that he staked out. i do think that the base will come around and realize, hey, we've got to win a general election, and these views, it's fun during a primary to take it to the man, whatever, but in the
end, you have to win elections and you have to represent not just a few of the base of the party but the broader electorate. i hope he comes around. >> steve schmidt is with us. >> how worried are you about arizona? can you siee you scenario where there's a surge in latino voting and it tips into the democratic column? >> it's not just latino voters. latinos make up about 33% of the population. it's less of that in terms of registered voters and even less in terms of turnout. but it is significant. and i worry about that, but i worry more about the broader electorate. right thinking republicans want somebody who is serious, for example, on immigration reform. and saying that we're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it is not a serious proposal. they want serious proposals on how to deal with this war on terrorism saying that you're going to wban muslims from
entering the country is not a serious propose pam it's not just hispanic voters. i am concerned about them, but it's the broader electorate, broader republicans. >> senator jeff flake, thank you. we appreciate your candor. very uncomfortable position. we'll have much more on this issue at the top of the hour. also, the fight for california coming down to the wire. but everything may be decided, but for the polls there, before they close, hillary clinton's campaign says she can win the nomination any minute now. but bernie sanders remains steadfast about a summer trip to philadelphia. and reverend al sharpton reflects on the life of his longtime friend and legendary boxer muhammad ali. "morning joe" will be right back.
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over the channel there was heavy cloud. already postpone the invasion 24 hours, but now the operation was under way. the invasion armada. 12,000 ships were headed south. >> good morning. it is monday, june 6th. what a day in history. what a day in history. welcome to "morning joe," everyone. withous set, managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all due respect," mark halperin, former communications director for george w. bush, nicolle wallace, and the host of "politics nation," president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton.
we'll be talking about muhammad ali in just a few minutes. >> talking about june 6th. first of all, the passing of one of the great american figures, political figures, bobby kennedy, june 6th, 1968, passed away. an extraordinary leader and a man who really symbolizes the '60s as much as anybody else. also d-day. also on this day. but a day every bit as important this day in 1998. carly was born. >> my daughter. 18th birthday today. >> today she turns 18 today. >> that is fantastic. >> some grim news. mark halperin, you texted me last night. i don't believe it. i don't believe it. is the era coming to an end up there? >> the most important starbucks on the planet closing. >> no. no. the one on columbus and 68th?
>> that's been my home base for a decade. what are you talking about? >> all politics is local. >> why is it closing? >> high rents. >> i don't understand. >> rent is too high. >> rent is too high. >> we're going to get into muhammad ali in a little bit. but al sharpton, there is really no way to explain what he meant not only to sports but more importantly to culture, to race, to politics. the 1960s, the 1970s. >> no, you really couldn't. muhammad ali changed the culture. aside from being a fantastic boxer, he changed the culture. he redefined what success was because i remember when i was growing up, i was 12 years old. i had just joined the economic arm of dr. king's organization, and i was already a boy preacher. and he refused to go into the
army. we started gauging who was a celebrity and success based on who was relevant because of muhammad ali. this guy took on a war. whether you agreed with him or not to give away all of the things that we thought were big, you know, heavyweight title and the perks that go with it to stand for something, it changed the culture of how you no longer decided success and celebrity based on what you owned or what you had. but what you stood for. he literally did that in one stand. >> we'll get more into that a little bit later. but first, politics. if that's what you want to call it. there was widespread concern among republicans this weekend. they are shocked and stunned. they just can't believe -- >> and deeply saddened. >> seriously paul ryan is in shock. >> he endorsed him last week. how could he have ever expected this to happen. >> it came out of left field. left field? >> my god.
a meteor. wait. whoa. boom. what happened? donald trump said something that was racially insensitive? he didn't see that coming? >> he didn't have to do the endorsement, but he did. >> caboom. >> donald trump continued to attack the federal judge overseeing the trump university coach for his ethnicity. take a listen. >> he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say why. i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico. not another country. >> he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> mexican heritage. n he's very proud of it. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no, i don't think so at all. he's proud of his heritage. i respect him for that. >> you're saying he can't do his job because of that. >> he's proud of his heritage. i'm building a wall. >> why did you refer to his ethnicity, donald?
>> because his heritage is mexican. >> so what. >> because i want to build a wall. i'm getting along great, i think, with hispanics. >> numbers don't indicate that. do you think you have to dial it back? >> i think i have to be what i have to be. >> if it were a muslim judge, do you think they wouldn't treat you fairly because of that policy of yours? >> that would be possible. >> isn't there a sngs in america that we don't judge people by who their parents are? >> i'm talking about common sense. he's somebody -- he's proud of his heritage. >> you're saying it's a barrier to him doing his job. >> he's not treating me fairly. >> trump's insistence on using the judge's heritage as a sign of bias was not well received. >> really? wait. by members of the republican -- i don't understand. nicolle, how could they have seen it coming? >> oh, wait. he said it last week before paul ryan endorsed him. >> can i just do a poll. is that racism?
>> yes. >> joe? >> completely racist. here you have a guy that is from indiana. >> yeah. >> from indiana. i think his family, if i'm not mistaken, had been in the country of america longer than trump's grandmother. >> reverend al is that racism? >> absolutely, unequivocally racist. >> so the republican party, my republican party now, is racing behind and endorsing a man that says if you were mexican or if -- >> not mexican. american. >> if you are born in america, if you are from indiana but you may have a little bit of mexican heritage in you -- >> i don't even think he's first generation. >> it doesn't matter. >> if you are incapable of being fair as a judge. he also said the same of muslims. republicans -- you're endorsing this guy?
seriously? >> the republicans are denouncing this because they think it's horrible politics, right? short term and long term. they are also morally outraged to say that a judge whose parents came from mexico, to say that a muslim judge. and the stupidity of it it is compounded by the fact he has something to do with a personal case. >> let me just be really clear here. they can't be morally outraged this week when they knew what he was doing last week. and by the way, i said it here on the tv box. and you can check it out to the tv box. i said all the way back in december, i would never endorse donald trump so long as he supported banning 1.4 million people from entering the last best hope for a dying world, the united states of america, simply because of the god they worship. simply because they were muslim.
that has been out on the table while every republican has endorsed this man. and i said, and i have stuck to it, i will never endorse donald trump so long as he supports a muslim ban. i've said it clearly. i predicted and mika predicted that the guy was going to win the nomination. we were right, they were wrong. and they said you must be supporting him. no, i've always been clear. said i would never support a man. i also said what he said about david duke was disqualifying. wrote it in "the washington post." so these republicans this week who were so shocked and stunned and deeply saddened and offended by this clear act of racism had all the evidence in the world before that he had done things -- >> but the problem -- >> again stopped them from endorsing him. how do you endorse, paul ryan, a man that supports the banning of
1.4 billion muslims from ever entering the united states of america? you make him back down. that's what i was hoping that perhaps we could put pressure on him to back down and change that policy. instead, al, he's doubled down. and now it's people that may have, what is it, 1/16 mexican blood? 1/16 mexican blood that maybe you can't be a judge? >> what year is this? this is unbelievable. he is getting worse, not better. >> what the problem is, and which is why your position was so responsible for the party, even though i'm sure people in the republican party thought you were selling out when you would say that is that you are talking about nominating him to be the president who will appoint federal judges. not only are you dealing with his own bias. but you're saying he ought to be appointing judges and senators running on his ticket who vote on confirming judges.
the ramifications of this, that now we have a racist litmus test for who can be judges, and you are endorsing this and you are running for re-election. or you're running for the senate. >> paul ryan has just put the house of representatives in play. >> that's right. >> he cannot say, oh, well donald trump is donald trump. donald trump's donald trump, but the house is us. no. now he endorses donald trump. he endorses his racism against muslims. paul ryan endorses his racism against mexicans. paul ryan endorses his racism against americans who may have -- oh, i don't know, 1/16 mexican blood in there, saying they're disqualified to be judges. >> here's paul ryan. now he's pretending to be, and i'm going to go there and just say it. there's no other way to put it. he's pretending to be surprised by this and then listen to mitch mcconnell when he's asked a
simple question. is this racism. take a look. >> look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field from my mind. it's reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. and so he clearly says and does things i don't agree with. and i've had to speak up on time to time when that's occurred and i'll continue to do that if that's necessary. i hope it's not. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. this judge was born in indiana. he is an american, period. you come to america, you get to become an american. and trump who has grandparents wocame to the u.s. should understand this. if a liberal was to attack justice clarence thomas on the grounds that he's black, we would all go crazy. every conservative would say it was wrong and racism. >> i think he has essentially said he cannot be impartial
because he's hispanic. that's a -- is that not a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say. >> but do you think it's a racist statement to say? >> i don't agree with what he had to say. >> it's a racist statement. >> what's wrong with him? >> that's a racist statement. can't answer anything on the set or on "meet the press." what's wrong with him? >> the guy who wants to be on the ticket publicly went out -- this is one of the -- in the history of the country, one of the most un-american and bigoted things that's been said. he's being denounced by everybody. newt gingrich who has a history of saying divisive things. trump may think this is a brilliant way to triangulate, but it is so wrong that he is being condemned across the board. these republicans hope that somehow when he became the presumptive nominee he'd change
his ways and move more toward the center. to say these things about a judge, an actual judge and a hypothetical muslim judge when there's no political up side to it is astounding. and they are as upset by the political absurdity of it as they are by how horrible the things he said are. still ahead, former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul joins the discussion. plus, bernie sanders has called california home for nearly a month. and yet, hillary clinton is within reach of winning the nomination. we'll talk about that. but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning. all eyes on tropical storm colin. our third named storm already this year. this is heading for florida. almost over the top of it already with the showers and thunderstorms. a disorganized system. winds around 50 miles an hour. not a lot of wind damage out of this. could still get flash flooding and isolated tornados. that will be the worst of it. here's the current position. tropical storm warnings from
indian pass toward sarasota, ft. meyer and even the east coast of florida. tropical storm warnings throughout the day and tomorrow. then it will be out of here. here's the forecast. we expect it to move over land. weak system. not like a landfall when you get like an eye of a storm. that will be occurring later on tonight. by 2:00 a.m., off the coast of georgia, then off the coast of north carolina racing out of here. even our friends along the south carolina/north carolina coast will get windy, choppy conditions and rainfall and floodings. here's the rainfall map. 3 to 5 inches possible around the tampa area. up along the coastal areas. watch out into charleston. possibility of five inches. headt and the isolated tornado threat. that would be one of the things. north florida, southern portions into georgia, we'll have to watch you for any potential weak tornadoes later on today. the rest of the country, the heat is still on in the west. unbelievably hot. the stormy weather in the mid-atlantic is now gone. we're replacing it with clear skies and lower humidity.
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muhammad ali was one of the extraordinary people of our time. he was a man of extraordinary honesty and courage. to all of donald trump's support ers who think it is appropriate to tell us that they love muhammad ali but they hate muslim muslims understand that muhammad ali was a very devout muslim who took his religion very seriously. >> one of the worst actually
staging events of his entire campaign. 30,000 empty seats behind him while he had like 14,000 or 15,000 people in front of him. just put up a sign. >> it doesn't matter. >> it's what people love about him. >> look at that. >> doesn't matter. >> in front of him were like 14,000 or 15,000 people. put up a sign. >> money is going toward the revolution not stage prep. the day hillary clinton gave her speech, her very well received speech taking down trump, he gave an event simultaneously and it was like my 4-year-old had hung the drape. it was crooked and at some point it looks intentional like, i'm not that guy. >> but he gets such big crowds. >> people love him. >> with elections in six states including california and new jersey one day away, hillary clinton is that much closer to potentially clinching the nomination. he's the projected winner in puerto rico and so far nbc news
has given her 30 pledged delegates of the 60 there. over the weekend she easily won the u.s. virgin islands. all of that means clinton could be -- for clinton, it could be an early night tomorrow when she's expected to cross the threshhold of 2,383 delegates needed. any minute now, hillary clinton should become the first woman in the history of our country to win the nomination of any major party. that wasn't fated or inevitable. it was because of people like you. clinton and her husband spent the weekend barnstorming the state from roundtables to crowds of hundreds. she'll have done 19 events by the time her swing is through. while she sought to contrast her record with that of bernie sanders on issues like immigration, she was already looking ahead to her next opponent, donald trump. >> earlier this week, i gave a speech in san diego outlining --
outlining why i believe that donald trump is not qualified or temperamentally fit to be president and commander in chief. i didn't -- i didn't make these comments up. i just repeated the ones he's made. i just went chapter and verse. we're going to have a very contentious campaign because i'm going to point out at every single moment that i can why i believe the republican nominee should never get near the white house. >> elizabeth warren whose support has been sought after as it has been elusive. tweet over the weekend. this is what democrats united to beat donald trump look like. get ready, donald.
we're coming. meanwhile, "the wall street journal" reports the sanders camp is split on what approach to take after tuesday. and "the washington post" reports that sanders is likely to fall short because of missed opportunities. a failure to combine with key voting blocs. senior strategist tad devine told the paper, i don't think anybody had figured out how to win when we got in. it was, how do we become credible. bernie sanders is going to come up short, somebody forgot to tell him. meeting people on the piers of santa monica and on saturday greeting crowds of 13,000 people in los angeles in front of the iconic memorial coliseum. >> now there is a backdrop. >> there you go. >> sanders has spent nearly a month in california with 34 events, and he made it clear he was not giving in yet, applying pressure until the end. >> in virtually every state poll, we do much better against
trump than does secretary clinton. in terms of the national polls, we are 10.4%. 10.4 points ahead of him. s she is only 1.5 points. >> if you ask me about the clinton foundation, do i have a problem when
a sitting secretary of state and a foundation run by her husband collects many millions of dollars from foreign governments, governments which are dictatorships? you don't have a lot of civil liberties or democratic rights in saudi arabia. you don't have a lot of respect there for opposition points of view, for gay rights, women's rights. yeah, do i have a problem with that? yeah, i do. >> you think it creates a conflict of interest?
>> yeah, i do. >> so still hammering away. >> still hammering away. and what's the impact. >> it could go either way. i think until a couple of days ooh i thought for sure he wanted to go to the convention. on principle, there's reasons why. he's right. until superdelegates cast their ballot, they haven't formally been for anybody. but the pressure on him is going
to be strong, including some people around him who are going to say, how do you plan to spend june and july? coming up -- desperately seeking someone. ben sasse is still looking for a candidate. writer david french won't run, after all. so where will voters who are turned off by trump and clinton turn? we're joined by former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul to talk about whether the libertarian ticket can win, and much more next on "morning joe." ♪
welcome back. 29 past the hour. donald trump's campaign has named jim murphy as its new national political director. murphy was a senior adviser to bob dole's 1988, 1996 presidential campaigns n managed floor operations at three republican conventions according to "the new york times." the campaign only has one person. hope hicks currently overseeing
communications. a super pac has hired a former mitt romney adviser who was previously critical of the presumptive republican nominee. rebuilding america now has tapped strategist alex castellanos to work on advertisements and strategy. he had previously explored the possibility of creating a stop trump effort last fall and that super pac unveiled its first ad yesterday. >> i want to say one thing. >> we turned over everything.
>> i want you to listen to me. >> i did not -- >> i did not send classified material. >> not a single time. >> and i did not receive -- >> never. >> any material that was marked or designated classified. >> i never told anybody to lie. >> that's all i can say. >> these allegations are false. >> i don't know how it works digitally at all. >> mark halperin? effective? >> i still think whichever
talks about the economy and the future will have the best chance to win and all these things relitigating the past certainly rally some people, but i would be surprised if they put a lot of money behind that. >> you're coming down to a small pool of persuadabe ablable vote handful of states. elections are always about the future, not the past. if you are mired talking about events from 20 years ago trying to make them relevant to the second decade of the 21st century, it's a really tough road. let's bring in former republican congressman and presidential candidate ron paul of texas. very good to have youn board, sir. is a third party option. is it worth talking about? >> well, i guess you're talking about the libertarian party maybe? >> yeah, maybe. what do you think? >> well, i'm looking for a second party because i see the republicans and democrats and all the fighting and screaming at each other.
policies never change. the size and scope of the executive branch which is a big concern for me keeps growing no matter which candidate, whether it's hillary or trump. i think they believe in a strong executive and that's opposite of libertarianism. the libertarian principle of nonaggression, that is where government can't use force to mold a society or the economy or tell other people how to live around the world, i would say that's a great principle. i'm not overly enthralled with the candidates but that principle is worthwile and the opposite of what we've been live with and opposite of the ideas that have brought us to this point where we are now facing bankruptcy and nobody is talking about the seriousness of the economy and the bankruptcy we face. >> in fact, what they are talking about is they are both attacking each other and it's almost a race to how low things can go based on the trump side. i know you don't feel these candidates who are in -- gary johnson, bill weld, are really
more than a shrug. is there any possibility for anybody else at this point? >> not really. i think the people are left with very poor choices and no real contest. we send hundreds of thousands of people and spend trillions going overseas saying we're going to throw outior dictator and force you have to democracies and elections. this country we do not really have democracy. even if we were really, really super happy with the libertarian candidate, you think they'd get into the debates in the debates are run by the republicans n s democrats. they'd find a way of banning them. overall, foreign policy won't change with each party in a significant
spending is going to continue. the federal reserve is going to keep manipulating interest rates and never face up to the fact this country has lived way beyond its means and the debt is incomprehensible and all we know is it's going to grow and grow. and i think the personal fighting is a distraction from the real issue which is personal liberty and the bankruptcy of this country and the failure of our foreign policy. that's where the problem is. >> sir, you ran -- you were running against a rigged political establishment long before it was cool. what do you think about the fact that donald trump, having run against a rigged political system, a rigged economy that you've just described, and bernie sanders is still in the race running a revolution which frankly might be something you would have called your movements over the time. they've gone pretty far. do you think we're on the cusp of seeing things shaken up from what you describe? >> i think that's very good that
the independent candidates because sanders doesn't even admit he's a democrat. he's a socialist. and trump, nobody has accused him of being overly supportive of republicans. and the evidence is that he wasn't much of a republican in the past. he was whatever he wanted to be. so there's an independent. i don't think that's what the people are looking at. they're looking at the disgust of the current republican leadership and current democratic leadership, the economy, failure of the foreign policy, the way we treat our veterans. they look at all of this and yet it's drifted into this personal bickering back and forth. it's almost like, i think i put a little blame on the media. they like this bickering because it's good for ratings. they need to hit the important issues. what are you going to do about it. and i think that will come. i think maybe after the primaries are over, maybe they will get to the real questions that ought to be asked. >> they've been asked. they just haven't been answered. >> right. that's true.
make them answer. they always made me answer and i always answered. >> former congressman ron paul, thank you. hispanic voters are poised to play a key role in california's democratic contest tomorrow. jacob soboroff went west to find out why there's the perception that hillary clinton has the majority of latino support. he joins us next with that. oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works...
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right debate in the democratic primary. i don't want to pick a fight but i'd be screaming, too. if you figure this out, they're toast for election day. >> bill clinton in an exchange with bernie sanders protesters yesterday at a campaign stop in l.a. >> before we get to jacob. >> this is pretty stunning what you said on the air last friday when i was at the orphanage helping the kids. >> how are the kids? >> they are doing great. >> the family gets together. we have -- >> why are they all named joe. >> it's the kids. they figure they'll get bigger donations -- so friday, though, you made this amazing prediction which we're sitting here talking thinking it may be the case which was -- >> one of these great predictions if i turn out to be right. i think -- just my spidy sense is that one of the two presumptive nominees will not end up being the party nominee.
>> really? just a crazy year. something crazy. the conventions are six weeks away. >> it would be very hard, but at what point. somebody close to the trump organization told me, you have to remember, it's all about business. and at some point, i just wonder whether donald trump goes, i didn't sign up for this. >> i can see if he said that to megyn kelly in that special that if he loses it will have all been for naught which means he's not advance anything ideas. he's not advancing an ideology or doing this for the people that support him. the only thing that matters is winning. if he goes down in the polls and the campaigns are a roller coaster in the fall, i could see hum from the campaigning as vigoro vigorously. i could see him not keeping up -- >> we've focused on his comments on the judge. but another thing is hillary
gives a speech on thursday. no one has defended him. she repudiated him a thousand different ways. >> punch, punch, punch. >> there's never been a situation like this. >> nobody is defending him and trump is singularly obsessed with trump university. singularly obsessed. it's got him so off of his game that he's now making racist comments about hoosiers. >> we go back to that primary night where he had lined up the trump water, the trump stakes because someone had dared to make a criticism of some of the -- >> by the way, those steaks were purchased from a local butcher shop in jupiter. they were not trump steaks. they were from a local butcher shop in jupiter, florida. >> from the same kind of animal. >> there you go. both beef. >> very similar animal. very similar. look, he has regressed over the
last five weeks. two finite commodities in a campaign, time and money. you have to use time wisely. he's been the presumptive nominee for five weeks. he has not brought the party together. he has not taken positive steps forward. in that hillary clinton speech, very significant. she eviscerated his capacity, his qualifications to be the commander in chief of a million-person military with athive at purse of active nuclear weapons. >> people i respect like peggy noonan, what will say they about a nominee who makes racist comments about a guy from indiana. >> where do they go? >> it's not where they go. they're going to speak out because i know them, n i know their character. peggy noonan spoke out against george w. bush when it was the hardest to do after his re-election in 2004. but what happens with peggy
noonan and charles crowdhammer and these other beacons, conservative thought leaders come out and say, come on. enough, republicans. enough, paul ryan. enough mitch mcconnell. speak out against this racism or the republican party will collapse. >> peggy framed it pretty harshly. she said we have a choice between a mad man and a criminal. peggy has had her finger on the pulse of this cycle and crowdhammer has been one of the skeptics at one of the places it's hard to be skeptical. >> a weakness that could haunt her in the general election. joining us now from los angeles is jacob soboroff who spent some time with bernie supporters. >> that's the soboroff lean right there. >> i know. exactly. he's so engaging. what did you find, jacob? >> mark halperin blowing minds
with predictions like that. if you look at what's going on out here in california, hillary clinton obviously wants to lock things up after california out here tomorrow night. she might even lock up that title of presumptive nominee after new jersey votes early in the evening. she wants to win california because she wants that momentum. she wants to go to philly. a united democratic party. there's a group here that may stop her and that is young latino voters that were once reliably in her corner. they went for her 2 to 1 over barack obama in 2008, but things may be changing as i saw when i went out canvassing with bernie sanders supporters in east l.a. time to canvas, guys? >> yes. >> nice to meet you. >> so where are we going? >> we're going to east l.a., about five minutes up the road. >> hillary coming out and saying she's got this, that it's done. >> what do you think. is it a done deal? >> no, it's not a done deal. >> we're going to go up to this house. you'll talk to somebody and see if they go for bernie. there's this perception that
hillary clinton has the mairjory of the latino support. >> they are looking at the older group of voters that have been voting throughout the elections and not considering the huge amount of young latino voters present in california, especially. and especially the ones that have just registered. we've had 1.5 million new voter registrations in california since january. that's a huge number. >> hi. i'm looking for eliza. >> he's at work right now. >> oh, well, we're volunteers for the bernie sanders campaign walking around neighborhoods trying to get the word out for bernie. are you feeling the bern? >> i've heard it in the campaign. >> a hillary sign. >> that's the first one i've seen in five weeks of canvassing. >> really? >> i'm being serious. there's not a lot. >> i haven't seen may be here. >> i'm here with the bernie
sanders campaign. have you decided who you're going to vote for yet? who is it? >> hillary. >> what about if all the young latinos turn out. >> i think a lot of the young latinos are going for sanders. they're going more for that. me being an older woman, i'm going for hillary. it's time for a woman. >> you think it's time for a woman. >> who is going to win? the older folks or the younger folks? >> i think the older folks, of course. >> based on what you've seen, how is bernie going to do on tuesday? >> he's going to do good. >> especially if the young latino voters come out. they've been the majority of the registration. >> latina registrations surging here in california. it's up 123%. and bernie sanders is leading amongst, according to the "los angeles times" latinos under the age of 50, 58% to 31%. in large part, what happens heading out of this state depends on this group of young latino voters who could give a
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donald trump -- esquire magazine sent a classic liberal reporter to the u.s./mexico border. now to explain, esquire the editor in chief. jay felding. it's so exciting. >> it's interesting. >> interesting what the reporter came back. >> so great to have you here. this is pretty shocking stuff. you send a liberal journalist down there. he comes back saying trump is right. >> that's right. they need to build a wall. >> no preconceived notions. just an empty notebook. go to my former home state and walk the border, drive the border 800 miles and talk to whoever you see and let them talk to us about what's really going on. instead of hearing it from the debate stage.
>> and the people say build the wall? >> they said build the wall. hispanic, anglo, democrat, republican, uncommitted, clueless, whatever. they said we want a wall and yet we want to be married with some compassion toward the people we're trying to keep from jumping over the wall. >> he said that hispanics were less sympathetic towards illegal immigrants than whites. >> so i think there's a lot of interesting things there. but one thing i think is that most of the hispanics are first generation and see it as unfair. they came over here the legal way, became citizens and now are having to compete for jobs with those coming across the border on a daily basis. they feel as one guy says, let them get in line, right? i think the anglos have most, for the most part, grown up in the tradition of the west which is a place of welcoming um grei immigrants and their attitude is that should be an honored thing. today they also think, oddly, that, you know, the more well --
the well -- if the laws are enforced, compassion will prevail. >> what about the border agents. what are they saying? >> they say we need a wall but that's where you begin to realize the wall is a symbol for the solution. we need an acronym. partial wall. boots on the ground. radar, cooperation with the department of defense that has a lot of technology they won't share right now. >> worst acronym ever. >> it's got a name, though. it's called comprehensive immigration reform and two presidents of two parties have championed it and weren't able to get it through the congress. >> comprehensive government reform in mexico. that's part of it. a lot of the feeling is these people are having, you know, no choice but to come north. they don't get three square meals a day and they're looking for opportunity. so we need pressure on -- >> is their consepception of a l
trump's conception? >> no. it's not part of the political discourse before he brought it up, for better or for worse. the hyperbole he gave it, the real estate, i'm a builder. i'm going to build something. i'm going to sell you an apartment and convince you the closet can be turned into a master bedroom. this is the same idea. exaggerating an idea in order for it to become talked about and halfway point for it to be found. >> we've been talking about the wall. let's talk about the man who broke the rules and changed the world. he is living off the grid with his kids. >> with a flip phone. >> he's awesome. he's awesome. i just think he's truly a refreshing, you know, version of a guy who lives according to his own tune. and that kind of gets echoed throughout this day and age. whether it's trump or bernie or muhammad ali who died over the
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