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the first time in our nation's history that a woman will be a major party's nominee. [ cheers and applause ] we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate we can get. [ cheers and applause ] thank you all. the struggle continues. >> last night hillary clinton claimed victory in the democratic primary. bernie sanders vows to fight on in next week's final contest in washington, d.c., and then the convention in philadelphia. >> what an incredible night. >> incredible night for hillary, a great speech and moment in history. let's look at the races, big one. nbc news just projected hillary clinton the winner there. she's also the projected winner in new jersey, new mexico, and apparent wehner in south dakota.
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bernie sanders is the projected winner in north dakota and montana. even so the delegate math says it all. hillary clinton is leading by a commanding margin. >> you know what says it all, look at this, a picture? >> what you got? >> front page of knock, clinton claims the democratic nomination. history is made. >> i'm sitting with my daughter. i'm like, you've seen two incredible moments in history, the first african-american president and now the first woman democratic nominee. >> i remember when bill clinton won it, and that was pretty impressive. >> good morning, everyone. it's june 8th, "morning joe." >> didn't he call himself the first black president. >> we have mike barnicle. legendary. where are my keys? when is he going to give me the keys? >> i don't get it. >> is he not good for his word?
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>> did he have to win or be the nominee. >> nominee. >> friday. >> we decided on friday. >> all right. i like it. >> former communications director for george w. bush nicolle wallace. >> that's mean. i had three hours of sleep. >> you were awesome. >> 1:40 to give phil credit. i got home at 1:40. >> look at nicole, she looks so good. >> a lot of history last night, hillary, of course, making history. donald trump, man, even had mitch mcconnell basically saying, you're running out of time, bud y. you either get your act together or we're gone. paul ryan got absolutely, completely -- >> i don't understand why they can't just say, listen, we're not with you. >> mark kirk did. >> mark kirk did. >> you go to this camera, you
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take that and zoom in and push in. okay. thank you. did it again. just like monday night football in '73, we got it all going. this is amazing. >> that's the latest edition. >> look at that. >> i'm excited. >> that is suitable for framing right there. >> all the talk of hillary clinton being such a robotic candidate, there was a moment when she first stepped on stage, saw the crowd and drinking in the moment, there was real emotion on her face. you don't see it from her very often. if you watch that 30 seconds or so, beginning right now, you can see her drinking in that moment. >> if you watch her, you're right, the way she took it in, awash with cheers from that audience. the music was great as she came up. you could sense, i did, perhaps wrong, you could palpabley sense
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now she feels free, finally free. free from the burden and heartbreak of losing in 2008. free from the burden of introspection of the media surveillance, just free. a free woman running for president of the united states. >> you know, as you look at her here and you see the genuine smiles, there's a lot of times you see her on stage and she's smiling and looks like a politician that was trying to smile. >> exhausting. >> that does look so genuine. so many people who know her would long said they wish she would just be her self. they love her up close. last night, meek, i think we got more of a glimpse of the personal meeting the political. >> and the person who knows there's still a very tough road ahead and is ready for it. here is more of hillary clinton last night, strongly contrasting her vision for america with that of donald trump. >> cooperation is better than
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conflict. unity is better than division. empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls. when he says let's make america great again, that is code for let's take america backwards. when donald trump says a distinguished judge born in indiana can't do his job because of his mexican heritage, or he mocks a reporter with disabilities, or calls women pigs, it goes against everything we stand for. we believe we should lift each other up, not tear each other
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down. >> nicole, let me ask you, you've been around presidential campaigns for a long time. we've been brutal, brutal, brutal on hillary clinton and her staged robotic performances, terrible campaign from time to time, i thought that was a great moment for her. i thought she hit all the marks and i thought she hit them exactly the way you want to right when people are starting to pay close attention. >> she strung together from last thursday to last night two of the strongest performances in her career. they were the two best crafted speeches. they read well, as well as having been performed well. she's also, we talked about this before we came on the air, she's fixed the problems she had as a politician and a candidate. she if i had out the performance piece. you always heard from her friends and defenders in a room and privately, she's so engaging. it doesn't -- you know, it's not reading. it's how they would sort of
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explain it. she's figured out how to make her weaknesses strengths. that's the whole trick. the side that wins in a general election contest is the side that one remains on offense more than on defense. and two, turns whatever their perceived political weaknesses are into assets. she's made this steadiness, lack of pizazz into an incredibly, at this point, favorable contrast to her opponent, just shooting from the hip in a way that's got the entire republican establishment running around with their hair on fire. >> it's called discipline. >> there is still a little bit of a conflict with bernie sanders that needs to be worked out. but willie, it feels like it will come together. >> he said last night, the struggle continues. i wonder how much longer it continue. he's meeting with president obama tomorrow. president obama will come out with an endorsement of hillary clinton sometime in the near future, joe biden thereafter, elizabeth warren may fall in
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line. i don't know if he goes all the way to the convention. he said he would, but when all those pieces start to fall together, hillary clinton began to reach out to his supporters in that speech last night, i think they do come together sooner than you think. >> bernie, if he won california, then he won the grand prize. go ahead and take it to the convention and say we've got a huge movement. he didn't win california. it wasn't even close. >> there's a split at the top of the sanders campaign. we know that. there's one small slice of his campaign leadership that wants him to withdraw nobly, honorable. >> and quickly. >> there's another camp, larger camp, feeding bernie's feeling about the campaign urging him to stay in until the convention. bernie sanders has been leading this movement for 50 years. he is not wrong in his beliefs. he is wrong in his belief now that he can stay through the
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convention. understand, he's 74, 75 years of age. nobody has paid any attention to him, other than the people in burlington, vermont, now the crowd, adulation, genuine fervor. >> rock status. >> are like a narcotic and he's feeding off of it. >> i don't know. ic it's the message. it's both. >> he's got a powerful movement. i think, mika, what bernie sanders does is what will help the movement the most. if he thinks getting out tomorrow will help the movement, he'll do it. if he thinks taking it to the convention, he'll do that. >> i hope he negotiates something really, really powerful and important and unifies but gets something out of it. meanwhile, donald trump was spending the day trying to quiet unprecedented criticism from his party. >> it got ugly.
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>> it did, about his comments whether judges of muslim did fa or mexican descent could treat him fairly. said in part, "it is unfortunate that my comments have been misconstrued as a categorical attack against people of mexican heritage. the american justice system relies on fair and impartial judges. all judges should be held to that standard. i do not feel that one's heritage makes them incapable of being impartial. but based on the rulings that i have received in the trump university civil case, i feel justified in questioning whether i am receiving a fair trial. trump said i do not intend to comment on this matter any further. in scripted remarks read from teleprompter last night, and he seemed to look to move on. >> given me the honor to lead the republican party to victory
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this fall. i understand the responsibility of carrying the mantel and i will never, ever let you down. too much work, too many people, blood, sweat, and tears. i'm never going to let you down. for those that voted for someone else in either party, i'll work hard to earn your support, and i will work very hard to earn that support. to all of those bernie sanders voters who have been left out in the cold by a rigged system of superdelegates, we welcome you with open arms. >> the chairman of the republican national committee reince priebus responded to remarks, great victory speech by donald trump tonight. exactly the right approach and perfectly delivered. we're still seeing republican party establishment try to walk the tightrope of supporting trump's candidacy while denouncing his statements as we show early edition of new york
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daily news, paul ryan with trump, "i'm with racist." while ryan tried to talk about his poverty agenda, he was quickly dragged into the controversy surrounding trump. >> claiming a person can't do their job because of their race is sort of like a textbook definition of a racist comment. i think that should be absolutely disavowed, it's absolutely unacceptable. do i believe hillary clinton is the answer? no, i do not. i believe we have more common ground on the policy issues of the day and more likelihood of getting policies enacted with him than with her. >> what bothers me about the comments it doesn't reflect who we are, what we think or how we think as republicans. it's antithetical to how we believe, our principles. hopefully he'll not only not continue to say these things but learn from this and move forward and then offer the country a positive vision that's inclusive. >> you said you were hoping the tone of the campaign would
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improve so you're not seeing that yet. >> yeah, i'm hoping the tone improves. as conservatives, we want to run an inspiring campaign, inspire our fellow citizens and earn a mandate to fix the country's problem. that's the kind of campaign we've been hoping for. yes, in the last few days that's not the kind of campaign we've been seeing. hopefully this is a learning experience. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell had this stern message for trump. >> i think a good place to start would be to apologize for the various totally inappropriate things he said over the last couple of weeks. another thing i'd like to see him do is get on script. i think it's time for him to look like a serious candidate for president, which means you need to think before you speak, you need to apologize when you make a mistake and get on script. he's running for the most important job in the country,
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some would argue in the world, and i think there's a certain threshold of credibility that needs to be met. i was with him in the greenroom when he went to the nra convention in louisville a couple weeks ago. i said, hey, donald, have you got a script? pulled it out of his pocket. i said, are you going to use it? he said i hate the script. it's boring. i said put me down in favor of boring. >> so mika. >> we did. >> yes, we did. >> mika, let's start with paul ryan. it's confounding to me that someone like paul i like so much and have had so much respect for, he said donald trump is guilty of, quote, textbook racism but i'm still on his side. i mean, i can't imagine in a
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million years, me endorsing somebody, somebody saying something i said was textbook racist and me staying, i'm still on his side. >> i think it would be hard, even if trump said, i'm sorry, i was wrong what i said. >> you know what i would like to hear? i would like to hear paul ryan say he needs to apologize. he needs to apologize to the judge. he needs to bend over backwards to show just how wrong he was. paul said when he endorsed him you're in the going to get anything from this, heartburn. >> if you don't have full throated apology, you have those words and those words are racist. corker is giving him several weeks to get his act together. the problem is that racism is almost something beyond repair. if a person feels comfortable saying something racist is a racist, that's as bad as anything else destructive in our
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society. racism destroys this country. it leads to violence. i don't understand how paul ryan could want to attack the poverty problem in our country with a racist, with someone who has racist beliefs, who is inspired to go there when they feel like they are in a corner. it doesn't make any sense. how can you work with this person if you're paul ryan? >> that's a great point, willie, when he's in a corner. so he's in a corner with trump u. >> he's in a corner. >> so he uses the race card. >> goes to race. >> he's in a corner in the fall, so he says -- and i think at the time he was fighting ben carson -- so he brings up this let's ban all muslims. he wasn't sure whether he was going to win in the deep south, so he felt like he was in a corner, so he decides the night before the southern primaries to say he doesn't know david duke. the klan -- >> there's a race problem.
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>> i don't get it. this is strike three, you're out. the question is, sorry, he needs to this, he needs to say that. the question is what exactly does he say at this point, now that he's used race as much as he has. now, not just what you are today but what your parents or grandparents were now makes you unqualified to be a full 100% american. >> you can go back even further, go back to the first day of the campaign. his introduction to this presidential race was his comments about rapists and murderers, illegal aliens. my question to paul ryan, what about trump makes you think he's going to change. this is who he is, how he's conducted his campaign. i don't know what these buffer zones are expecting. what are you going to see out of him. i think paul ryan's argument,
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look, i want to get a conservative agenda through the house. i want to get a conservative agenda signed by a president but he's not even -- donald is not a conservative. he knows it. >> he believes, though, donald trump is more likely to go along with paul ryan agenda than hillary clinton is. he's saying i've got an apple and orange. i'll take the orange over the apple. >> would he say the same thing about david duke, mike barnicle? david duke would be more likely to pass his agenda through the house than hillary clinton. how do you do this? how does this square up with paul ryan, a guy we conservatives have been cheering for years for being like a jack kemp conservative, where you can talk about reaching out to the truly dispossessed without massive big government programs. >> joe, the odds are that history will view the actions, the behavior, the rhetoric of so many people around donald trump who have supported him, endorsed him, history will view it as a horrific indictment of the
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existing power of the republican party out of washington, d.c., that they are so blind to what they hear and see on an everyday basis coming from trump -- trump is a 70-year-old man. you're right, willie, he's not going to change at this point. this latest spectacle began with trump university. that has nothing to do with our government, has nothing to do with the future of this country, or how your children are going to go to school or whether the air is going to be clean. it's a private enterprise, private enterprise, that's what began this. now you have a series of republican leaders making fools of them selves. i hesitate to say paul ryan, my friend john mccain, they do not look great. you'd have to ask your self, how can you continue to stand behind somebody, call someone -- yes, that's a racist statement, he's made racist statements in the past, but he's my guy. how do you do that? >> it's this blind -- i saw it
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when i was in washington, d.c. i'm on the republican side, so if they all get torches and go out, i've got to be on their -- the democrats would do the same thing. there's just this blindness, but it seems to me that donald trump is making every republican pay a price that is too high. a price that could end republicans control of the senate. a price that could make them lose control of the house. a price that could actually split the republican party right in half. my question is this, when is there going to be a washington in washington, d.c., that makes donald trump pay a price. when is paul ryan going to go in front of a microphone today and say, you know what, until donald trump apologizes for his racist comments and gives me a reason to believe that we are still the party of lincoln, that we are still the party that freed the slaves, that we are still the
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party that believes, all american -- all americans have the opportunity to rise to the top. not by government handouts but by their own power and their own genius, with a helping hand from us. until he proves that he belongs in the party of reagan and lincoln, he doesn't get my endorsement. he doesn't get my vote. he doesn't get my support. >> shouldn't get yours. >> who will say that in washington, d.c.. >> well, mark kirk came pretty close to saying that by rescinding his support. lindsey graham who always has a lot to say, this is obviously something that keeps lindsey graham up at night. >> what about the leadership. >> what about newt. >> newt could say it better than anybody. >> let me just say this, what they are trying to balance is something that can't be squared. so they are looking at the base
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of the republican party saying my base chose him so i must get behind him. >> are they -- >> no, the spirit of it is accurate, the will of the people, the will of the base of our party, joe. it took them a really long time to get here. let me just say -- >> my parents. >> my parents are horrified by the racial -- >> they were with him from the very beginning. >> right. >> my brother is horrified by this. your parents -- your parents are horrified by this. they are trump's base. they have been trump's base and they are horrified by this. why isn't paul ryan? >> well, i think he is. let me just finish the thought because it's taking longer than it should to come out because of sleep deprivation. just give me a break. what they can do now is binary. they can either leave their endorsement in place or revoke it but there is no curtain number three. what they all have to do is decide -- chris christie
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whatever you think of the choice doubled down in his support for donald trump. he was there all day yesterday helping him with the statement that went out, with the speech last night. whatever you think of these moves, he has made his bed, he's lying in it. mark kirk chose the other path, revoked his, lynd yarks graham revoked -- >> what do you think of the choice. >> there's a third choice. >> what is the third choice? >> the third choice is this. donald, guess what, i'm not going to support you until you get your act together. you're acting like bush league loser, racist, bigot. this is called art of the deal. i'm taking my deal off the table. until you come to the table, the other side of the table and prove to me you're not a bigot and you don't take my party down in the ditch you don't have my endorsement and you can't use hillary clinton as a gun against my head. i'm taking the gun away from my head, i'm putting it on the table and now it is in your
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hands on whether you are going to prove to the republican party and me personally that you're not a bigot. don't use hillary clinton as a threat against me. don't use hillary clinton as an excuse, as your blank check to say racist things about people born in indiana. no, donald, you don't get to play it that way. i'm not scared of you and i'm not scared of the base because they are just as pissed off as me. walk away. it's the art of the deal. it's what donald trump has been preaching all his life. they are -- i can't say the word they are. they are weak. >> donald used the word in new hampshire. >> they are being weak. you need to negotiate. >> you bring up hillary clinton, great point. paul ryan, you can't use hillary clinton either. >> stop. stop. >> pathetic, weak kind of meandering around this problem, because willie geist, you know what we have here with these republican leaders who are like, can't have hillary clinton. really? you hate her that much you'll
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take a racist. you hate her that much we're going to have eight more years of the republicans we had who said from the get go with obama, we just want him to fail. you're going to have more of the same. you are more of the same. >> guys, it's the worst of all worlds, willie, if they embrace a racist to beat hillary, they lose to hillary and destroy the party. lose -- listen to me, guys. you embrace a guy making racist comments, you lose -- >> why. >> because they are stupid. you lose the presidency, and then you lose the senate and you lose the house, and then we small government conservatives, we're screwed because you've destroyed our party because you're running scared. stop running scared. you've got to stand up to donald trump and say, prove to us that you deserve our support. when you do that, then maybe we'll consider giving you our endorsement back. but right now, willie, they are running scared and donald smells
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it so he can say whatever the hell he want to say. >> it's going to get worse. >> he sees them as weak cowards unless they stand up to him now and take their party back. donald trump needs them more than they need donald trump. >> that's my question, what is the cost of saying what you just said. why is that a risky thing to do? what does that do -- if paul ryan came out and said it's no deal. my endorsement is off the table. i'm not supporting you until you change. why can't he say that? why don't all the people hotel us privately and roll their eyes about donald trump and come on the show and support him in very ham handed ways. why can't they say that? what is the cost of saying that? what do they lose? >> they only gain. >> they are not doing to say that. once they say that, they admit to a truth they know, the republican party is now in flames. it's going up in flames and it's being led by a guy who started the fire, took off around the country, came back to throw my
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kindergart more kindling on the fire. >> if they would today have a press conference say what donald trump has done, simply unacceptable, the party of reagan, we take back or support of him. if he wants to run a racist campaign, he can run his racist campaign straight in the ditch and get 40% to lose. we are going to spend all of our time re-electing a republican house and re-electing a republican senate. we're going to distance our self. we're going to quarantine the racist on that side of the campaign stage. we're going to fight for the values we believe in. this is going to be a bifurcated race. until donald trump steps up and proves to us that he's not the racist he's shown himself to be over the past few weeks. until donald trump stands up and says, we're not banning all muslims. we don't have a religious test. we're going to have open heart and open hands.
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we're going to keep our country safe but we're not going to be bigot. >> odds. >> i swear to god, it's the smart political move. paul ryan if you want to be speaker of the house, mitch mcconnell if you want to run the senate next time, the odds should be god. >> go with your gut. >> that's the smart move. stop running scared. stop running scared. the rules have changed. stop running scared. >> as trump tries to move past it tries the seeming cure all for the party, go after the clintons. that's their excuse every time. plus we'll play, will this work, with a new super pac ad backing trump. we'll ask, will this work. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. today's the day! oh look! creepy gloves for my feet. when i was a kid there was a handle. and a face.
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shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. i'd like to begin -- >> to be great, we can't be small. >> i'm going to be your champion. i'm going to be america's champion. >> but if we stand together, we will rise together. >> but if i'm forced to fight for something i really care about, i will never, ever back
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down. >> tonight's victory is not about one person. >> and i'm not a politician fighting, i'm me. >> we all owe so much to those that came before and tonight belongs to all of you. >> better hope i'm president. >> wow. >> a lot of i, i, i for trump, and a lot of we, unifying message for clinton. >> isn't that the essence of what's happened with donald trump since last newtown? everything is about him. it's about trump, trump, trump. he doesn't talk really about the country, he doesn't talk about your children. he doesn't talk about the immediate future, it's him. >> there's a real concern right now among republicans and people close to the trump campaign that the focus is not on uniting the republican party, the focus is not on the presidency, the focus remains on trump business, which
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is why they took the entire campaign, he took the entire campaign into the ditch about a civil suit, because it's all about the business in the end. >> what bob corker said yesterday, he has such an incredible opportunity. even just to be a part of the converse as the nominee to bring this country forward, what an incredible opportunity that he has just thrown away. >> i saw -- i'm sorry, mike. >> i was just going to say, you're so right on that. first of all, bob corker is the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. he more than most people in the united states senate knows the impact of trump's words around the world, trump's behavior as a candidate around the world. >> i was going to say, i saw jeb a couple weeks ago in miami, i just can't believe a candidacy based on insults, personal
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insults has gone this far. i think it didn't catch up with trump during the course of the primary but it is catching up with him now that there was never sort of anything behind that. people wanted to see him fighting on behalf of making america great again but it is not a satisfying enough meal to take him to the next level. we talked about his ceiling. we may have found a ceiling. >> trump definitely looked out of his element reading the prompter last night. i will say you can't have it both ways with him. everyone said he's got to get back on script, be more disciplined. he did that last night and now ripped. talking about judges in civil cases and his business what we saw last night and a politician reading a teleprompter. >> i think we found it two weeks after wisconsin. he was a disciplined candidate. >> i wish he could do better just so the race was a hard y, good one. it doesn't look good now.
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>> in last night's speech he looked to focus the campaign on the clintons, both hillary and president bill clinton. >> the clintons have turned the politics of personal enrichment into an art form for themselves. they have made hundreds of millions of dollars selling access, selling favors, selling government contracts, and i mean hundreds of millions of dollars. hillary clinton turned the state department into her private hedge fund. the russians, the saudis, the chinese all gave money to bill and hillary and got favorable treatment in return. it's a sad day in america when foreign governments with deep pockets have more influence in our own country than our great citizens. >> trump said last night he's planning a major speech, he called it, on the clintons possibly for this upcoming monday. meanwhile a super pac for donald trump spending more than a
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million dollars on a new ad today that ties hillary clinton's evasion about her e-mail server to bill clinton's 1998 denial of an affair with monica lewinsky. >> i want to say one thing. >> we turned over everything. >> i want you to listen to me. >> i did not -- >> i did not. >> i did not send classified material. >> not a single time. >> and i did not receive -- >> never. >> any material that was marked or designated classified. >> i never told anybody to lie. >> that's all i could say. >> these allegations are false. >> i don't know how it works digitally at all. >> the ad begins airing on national cable today and is expected to expand to nine battleground states later this week. it looks like that super pac, donald trump himself goingtonesty, which is an area of weakness for hillary clinton. >> a strength of donald trump? >> no. >> elections ar choice.
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>> joining us now pulitzer prize winning historian. >> willie, making a comment. >> it was unkind. >> ageist, i like that. >> jon meacham is a man of 40 some years, a young man but carries with him a distinguished -- a distinction. >> you said the gait of a 70-year-old man. >> "today" show talking fast game here. >> 78-year-old man. >> a wise man. >> hope i get his name right pulitzer prize winning editor of "washington post," capehart, jonathan capehart. >> all right. so let me just hold this up for a second right here and talk about it while we look at history made. >> huge deal. huge deal. equivalent obviously in many ways to 2008 with senator obama
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winning the nomination. as the father of daughters, it's a big moment. the iconology of power is important, and the idea that a woman is now at the top of the ticket is historically resonant and it's made all the more so because, as you've been discussing, the choice has rarely been starker. >> rarely. >> that's the up side of what happened. let's talk about the downside of what's happening. you have two candidates who have lower approval ratings than any other candidates in the history of this country. you have more americans calling out for another choice. and yet this 150-year-old duopoly you've talked about, you predicted was going to break up soon enough, it still seems to have a strangle hold because it makes access to the ballot so
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difficult that a third party option is the longest of long shots. >> inertia, two-party control, it's incredibly expensive, incredibly difficult to break this. i think one of the sadnesses of mayor bloomberg's decision not to fund a third party run, he would have the needs to make that happen structurally. >> why won't he do it? >> he wants to win. >> why doesn't he think he can win? >> his joke always has been when 57 new york jewish billionaire is not going to win. >> what about donald trump at 1% when he started his campaign. me thinks bloomberg stairs at data too much, his data charts too much. >> it's true. bloomberg, there was a chance here to really -- he used to joke about this, he didn't want to spend a billion dollars to change the conversation but when it's this conversation in this
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moment, it could be changed. >> the other reason whaus he didn't want to hand it to trump. he took his advocacy for gun controls in this post mayoral time, the assessment was he would pull only from clinton. to be successful, you know you have to pull from both sides. that was what the data showed him that made him unwilling. >> this is analogy proof here. we've talked about this. we've never had a hijacker plane and the passengers sided with the hijacker. so the populist force has always been outside the center of the party or outside the parties all together. so this isn't george wallace, this isn't henry wallace, because he has the structure of the party. we've seen otherwise apparently sensible people deciding to make their peace with this solely, it seems to me, on either a kind of cultural deference to power, the
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fact that trump has gotten the votes, therefore they want to be right with him, or a cultural inertia. >> i feel they look embarrassed when they are saying it. i cringe when i hear paul ryan and mitch mcconnell trying to hem and haw their way around this. we know these people. we know who they are. we know they are deeply humiliated and yet they still move forward. i have never been more confounded in the history of trying to do what we're trying to do on this show for the past almost 10 years, i've never seen anything like it, anything more painful. jonathan capehart, you wanted to get in? >> yeah, on the conversation of bloomberg, one wing they have to keep in mind, trump, clinton, bloomberg race, the magic number isn't the raw popular vote, it's electoral vote. if neither of the candidates got 270 votes, the election goes
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from the people to the house of representatives, which is controlled by the republican party. i think for mike bloomberg to be he could get that far and then have the presidency, as nicole pointed out, go to donald trump because the republicans controlled the house is something he could not bear to do. when it comes to donald trump and the problems that the republican party has right now, as i said on monday and i'll say it again, since june 16th, 2015, donald trump has been telling america exactly what he thinks. in that announcement speech, he said the infamous mexico is sending -- not sending their good people. they are sending their rapists. and then it just went downhill from there. you know, he insulted people with disabilities. john mccain.
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i thought for sure that was the moment that donald trump's candidacy would implode. instead his poll numbers went up. for the republican party, republican leaders to now be surprised is interesting. >> willie. >> john, you've heard people inside republican party alternating trump is destroying the republican party or at the very least splitting it in two. as you look out over the horizon, what do you think is the long-term impact of this one man on the party or two-party system. >> i think he does potentially break the duopoly. the moment -- it's interesting this is happening right this second. there is the question of are you on the right side of history. it's not -- it isn't even a particularly difficult call. are you going to stand with lincoln, eisenhower, george w. bush. are you going to try to be small government conservatives, restrained, or are you going to throw in with a populist
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entertainer in chief who is playing on the oldest stereotypes and racial questions. it's pretty clear. so what did you do in the big war, daddy? where were you on the trump question is a defining question i think for the generation. i really do. >> racism is a violent, ugly -- it's one of the worst things in our society. it's one of the things that really tear us apart, creates violence. there is no -- this is an easy call. i would never, i don't understand this. jonathan capehart, thank you very much. jon meacham, stay with us. still ahead, "time" columnist tom friedman joins us. has he a scorching new column this morning calling out gop leaders who have refused to drop their support of donald trump. >> we haven't talked about that yet. that's perfect. new topic. it will be good. we'll be right back with more "morning joe" and a 40 something-year-old guy. (man) oh, looks like we missed
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my mother believed life is about serving others and she taught me never to back down from a bully, which it turns out was pretty good advice. and of course, i wish she could see her daughter become the democratic party's nominee. >> wow, last night hillary clinton claimed victory in the democratic primary but bernie sanders vows to fight on in next week's final contest in
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washington, d.c., and then to convention in philadelphia. nbc projects hillary clinton in new jersey, new mexico, apparent winner in south dakota. bernie sanders is the projected winner in north dakota and montana. with the latest delegate math, the writing is on the wall. hillary clinton is leading by a commanding margin. welcome back to "morning joe," it's wednesday june 8th. with us we have attorney and republican strategist ben ginsberg, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt and pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. >> he's in the geriatric ward right now. >> do you guys get the walker with swaty on there. >> a cup holder. >> so try to put in -- let's talk about this election, jon meacham and try to put last night's results in historical perspective on both sides.
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>> it's a huge moment for women in american life. only had the vote for less than a century. long-term battle for suffrage and equal place at the table. in that sense, it's clearly a hugely important moment. donald trump smens, if further cement are were necessary, his nomination. as we said before, it's an analogy-free election, to some extent. trump has done something no one else in my mind certainly in modern american politics has done. he's the outsider candidate who has taken over the machinery of the party and has now created a kind of, i would hope, a crisis of conscious within the republican party where a lot of people all of us know very well are deciding to side with him on the grounds that the base of the party has decided to choose him, so therefore they must sign up when, in fact, i think that's
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running against what they believe they should be doing. >> willie geist, lou at what mitch mcconnell said, there does appear to be crisis of conscious and appears to be a clock ticking for people like the majority leader of the senate and people like chairman bob corker. i'm only going to wait so long. >> majority leader was strongest yesterday saying, get on message, donald trump, fall in line. this is how we do things in this party. bob corker said yesterday on this show i'm giving donald trump two weeks to get his act together. i don't know what happens after two weeks but that's what he said. paul ryan, kirk took back his endorsement, george bush, tim scott said comments were racially toxic, the only african-american in the senate, republican from south carolina. so the snowball is building. >> pennsylvania can't support him yet. >> all these people who won't go to the convention even before these comments. so that's nice to hear all that rhetoric. the question is do they now begin to pull their support, do
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what you said last hour and form a wall and lock arms and said donald trump, change or this the party is walking away. >> this is something they haven't done ever, not even when the primary process was deep under way and you had all these other candidates, they couldn't do it. they were too weak. they were too weak and they were, quite trianglely, afraid. it's sad to see because you can't be afraid to lead if you're in washington. at this point, i have to tell you, they have got to get something out of him. they have got to get a full throated apology. they have to have him prove to them that he can be worked with or why would they support him. they are supporting someone who will destroy the country, who is not doing onwork with them. >> actually somebody who will not be given the opportunity to destroy the country, he will destroy ben and my republican
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party. ben, obviously, you've been just as concerned as me and so many other republicans over the past couple of weeks. you, a man of the law, that a federal judge would be called out because his parents were not born in america. >> yeah, look, this is a deal that is not working, since we're dealing with this election in deal metaphors. >> it's supposed to be the art of the deal. >> donald trump -- yes, it is. that's why if you're donald trump you might recognize the deal is not working. you also have to recognize a couple of other things. polls will switch around pretty soon. hillary clinton will get her post victory bump. there will be a larger difference in the polls. you go into the convention where actually if the leadership of the party wants to do something, they can do something. there is still the nomination process to go through. >> explain that. you're saying the party could actually figure out a way to challenge trump at the
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convention. >> there's a fairly simple rules change you can make. making a rules change is different from having the political will to do that change. but under the proceedings of the convention, in other words, something that has to be passed by this convention, the standard in the past has been you have to have a majority of delegates. you could change that to a super major of delegates for the first ballot. on the second ballot most of the delegates become unbound. >> then what happens? >> it's an open convention. the delegates -- that's not going to happen. it is nonetheless a leverage point as this deal that is not working right now proceeds. there's a five-week window to essentially go through where the leaders of the party will have maximum leverage to be able to say the deal is not working, you've got to do something. >> that's probably where mcconnell in particular stuck out to me yesterday. he was so very careful the entire primary process to keep
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his head down. he is sort of the ultimate at staying out of the ring at exactly the right moment. i thought it was very significant to me that he was willing to send a public signal not only to trump but to all of the republicans that are in the senate running for re-election, et cetera. that's how i read that. it took me a little by surprise having spent so much time during the primary figuring out where he stood. >> we're going to roll mitch mcconnell trying to figure out how he gets from point a to point b on this. there as better way to do it, which i think you showed last block. i have to say, i don't know, we've been so angry about these comments and the fact there hasn't been an apology and there hasn't been strong pushback from republican leadership, aren't you surprised to an extent? we knew he was going to win the nomination. usually when that happens, the weight of the moment, the magnitude of the responsibility, the sense of duty that one
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feels, you see that rise up in the person and make them better. it just -- what happened? >> well, that's a question that i think people that look back at this race are going to be asking for a very long time. donald trump proved after getting pounded in wisconsin that he could adjust. he brought manafort on. manafort and cordy together directed trump over the next several weeks to become a disciplined candidate, kept him off the sunday shows and really managed the message. >> but where is the part of his soul. >> the question is what happened over the past two or three weeks are dumb founding. we all said around this table over three, four weeks, said he's got a short period of time to turn things around with hispanics. he's got a short period of time to turn things around with women. you look at his numbers in both groups now, they are worse than they were several weeks ago. and you look at what -- basically saying to all
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hispanics in america, if your parents were not born in america, then they are suspect. they may not be able to be fair as judges. they may not be fair as, a, elected leaders. >> you said that. but b, how could you not say, it was wrong. >> this is why donald trump has scared republicans so much because look at a time when everyone endorsed donald trump. they all endorsed donald trump after polls came out that showed him within two points of hillary clinton. so it's a safe thing to do, it's going to be close. let's see what happens with the next round of polls. maybe they are still that close. if they are not, if you start seeing a gap between hillary and trump of five, six, seven points, suddenly they are going to start -- you're going tooz lot of republicans running scared right now starting to speak out more.
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>> remember, part of the big advantage donald trump had in this period was that he stood alone, having vanquished those 17 other republicans and hillary was still fighting bernie sanders. that's about to end. the beginning of the end of that came last night when she stood on that stage at the brooklyn navy yard. whether it's this week or next week or at the convention, bernie sanders won't be there anymore and hillary clinton can focus all her fire on donald trump. >> here is mitch mcconnell talking about donald trump's comments. >> i think a good place to start would be to apologize for the various totally inappropriate things he said over the last couple of weeks. another thing i'd like to see him do is get on script. i think it's time for him to look like a serious candidate for president, which means that you need to think before you speak. you need to apologize when you make a mistake and get on script. he's running for the most important job in the country, some would argue the world, and
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i think there's a certain threshold of credibility this needs to be met. i was with him in the greenroom when he went to the nra convention in louisville a couple weeks ago and i said, hey, donald, have you got a script? pulled it out of his pocket. i said, are you going to use it? he said, i hate the script. it's boring. i said, put me down in favor of boring. >> we have done that. so why -- i don't get it. >> think about what he just asked donald trump to do, get on script. the entire point of donald trump is to not be on script. the entire reason he got where he is not being on script. i don't play the politician, i speak my mind, speak your mind. >> i've said that before, donald trump the golfer should understand, when you go to augusta and it's the first week in april and it's 65 degrees,
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like 5-mile-an-hour wind, you play a certain golf game. when you go to the british open and it's 42 and sleet is coming down and hitting your face and the wind is blowing like 30 to 40 miles an hour and you don't know what direction it's coming from, you get out your 2 iron and you just hack. you play a different game. i've been saying it forever. anybody that knows politics, ben, you know this, you play a different game in a primary race than a general election race. he is still like being -- here is a guy that you met in the strip mall across from augusta. >> john daly. >> he's playing john daly right now. he's being john daly and he's just getting it and swinging as hard as he can and goes isn't that a pretty drive. >> that's my point. he only knows how to hit driver. he pulls it out of his bag every time even if he's at the british open. that's the way he plays. >> he's going to get pounded because of it. >> whenever you work with a
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first time candidate, this is not to excuse anything but whenever you work with first time candidate, there is that moment that each has where you say something and the import of the words is far greater than you realized they would be. first time candidates just kind of get in trouble at least once with the words. you have to learn from that experience. >> his problem is -- >> reinforced in the primary. but now he's gotten worse. >> he's learned every time he makes a controversial statement bordering on racist. >> it pays him back. >> it has paid him back. the media usually overreaches, usually exaggerate what he said, and he actually gets a lift from it. i don't think he understands how different this is. >> completely different. >> i would think the test for the principled republican opposition to the republican nominee, which is admittedly a complicated political task, is finding a way to acknowledge the anxieties and even the
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resentments of the trump voters while distancing your self from trump and the trump temperament. it seems to me the republican leader who figures out how to make that distinction, how to make that point will position themselves to be part of the rescue operation that's going to have to take place after november. no matter what happens. >> by the way, we have breaking news. let's go right now to alex and our crack staff. >> tell us something interesting. >> let's go to the endorsement desk right now. go. >> john daly endorsed donald trump. true story. >> true story. >> i think that says it all. big history. we've talked about hillary clinton, she claims democratic nomination. what an exciting night for her. >> she packed some punches. >> she also last night went
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after donald trump pretty tough. >> cooperation is better than conflict. unity is better than division. empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls. when he says, let's make america great again, that is code for let's take america backwards. when donald trump says, a distinguished judge born in indiana can't do his job because of his mexican heritage, or he mocks a reporter with disabilities or calls women pigs, it goes against everything we stand for. we believe we should lift each
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other up, not tear each other down. kasie hunt, you're covering the clinton campaign. i think this is her moment to move forward and soar. >> i think you've seen her come into her own. you were talking about first time candidates and how that evolves. we've never seen that in a general election before. we're so familiar with hillary clinton. she's really only danced around in primary campaigns where differences aren't necessarily that big. obviously there are structural advantages to donald trump being republican nominee but it also has given hillary clinton a clear contrast. you can see how deeply she believes what she's saying about him. i don't think that would be true or as true if she was running against jeb bush. they have played in the same circles for so long. this is so different for her and that conviction comes across. >> this has all of a sudden become a much better scenario for her.
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i was very deeply worried donald trump would be very difficult opponent who would be -- play dirty to the point you can't even imagine. now anything he does is completely undermined and muted by what's happened here. comple credibility in terms of attack. >> america loves redemption, including politics. >> he's not going to get it because he's not going to apologize. >> he's not going to ask for it. >> that means the racist statement stands. >> the deal is not working. somebody who knows how to correct a deal that's not working. >> the deal is not working. thank you so much. still on "morning joe," chuck todd sizes up the damage, colossal damage to donald trump's campaign and ralph reed whose faith and freedom coalition directly from the embattled candidate later this week will be here. later "new york times"
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we've been talking about republican leaders who criticized trump but are sticking with their support of the candidate, but there are others who are completely abandoning ship. senator mark kirk of illinois who was up for re-election told nbc's hallie jackson he's invoking his endorsement. >> i cannot support him because of what he said. it was too racist. >> that was the final straw for you. >> that was a big straw for me. >> do you hope the other members of your party do what you're doing now? >> i do. i think we should send a strong message to donald that racist will not be accepted. >> what do you think about candidates. >> represent state of illinois
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who would not agree with these sentiments. >> hear that, racist and bigotry has no place in the party of lincoln. >> how hard was that to stay. >> chuck, that wasn't hard to say? >> easy if you're mark kirk and you know it's good politics for you to say it. >> what about if you're paul ryan, you worked your whole life to be -- >> you will know it's a profile in courage when you do it and it's potentially something that hurts you politically. look, it's not easy to break, and i think you see that there was a point yesterday where i think the senate republicans, however that lunch went yesterday, was even worse than was even described. here is how you really know. mitch mcconnell by the end of the day yesterday was toughening up his words and saying it's basically time to be mature. what's the cost of paul ryan to say, until you revoke that, apologize for it and change your tone, you don't have my backing.
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>> by the way, get rid of the muslim ban. >> what's it cost? >> he's an lebroned leader of the republican party -- he's an elected leader of the republican party. speaker of the house with 240 members, probably a majority have been begging him to do this. i think there are some people who think trump is a stain that can get washed out and some people believe you'll never get rid of. >> andrea. >> i think that's the debate that republicans are having with themselves. >> paul ryan said that what trump did epitomized racism. textbook definition of racism. how do you not immediately revoke your support after saying that? >> he went on to say that hillary clinton was worse than that. that was the option. paul ryan is reacting to the fact that more than half his
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caucus wants him to back donald trump. the senate is a different body. the senate could go democratic because of this. you've got people like mark kirk. at that caucus, took on jeff sessions and read him the riot act. she's endangered. ron portman, ron johnson. >> you said portman is in ohio is in danger, pat toomey in pennsylvania. it's going to be -- >> toomey running against a terribly weak democratic opponent, pennsylvania is gettable at this time if donald trump weren't at the top. >> concerns echoed by another republican, this one from a swing state. brian sandoval first hispanic governor and also former federal judge. he told the las vegas review journal yesterday, i support the republican party and will continue to help elect strong republican leaders in nevada.
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at this time i cannot say i will definitely vote for mr. trump. >> what's he got like a 70% approval operating. >> lindsey graham, certain he's not voting for trump. >> i just want people to know i don't feel comfortable with what mr. trump is saying. not only about this judge but the way he's campaigned, his policy positions regarding muslims. i just think mr. trump is taking the country and the party in the wrong direction. i will be no part of that. >> so you won't vote for him in the fall? >> no. i can't support hillary clinton or donald trump. >> he says he will be no part of this. >> look, it goes to this whole stain versus tattoo. i think there's a whole bunch of republicans that are trying to rationalize this. >> republicans think he might be a stain, stain versus tattoo,
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what indication do they have -- what productive conversation did paul ryan have that proved to him, what did mitch mcconnell get from donald trump that proved to him he would stick to any promise he made to them. has he made any promises to them? what have they gotten from him? what have they gotten from him? tell me in all your reporting, did they get anything from him. >> a list. >> a list of judges. >> which he said he may or may not actually stick to. >> by the way, quick, i do think without this scalia vacancy right now, i think there would be more never trump people. i think there would be more senators that didn't get on board. i think the scalia issue is so important to some that mcconnell feels as if he gets a pass on trump because the base -- he can rationalize it. look what i'm doing, it's for the base. >> some people's entire argument, not that donald trump is great but we can't let
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hillary clinton -- >> i think mitch mcconnell is sort of the canary in the coal mine. he's the beginning of the leading edge of republican senators in leadership, obviously, leadership positions who may begin to move, because this thing is beginning to shift. as hard as it is to imagine that the republican presumptive nominee who won it fair and square and beat all those other guys, it's possible that this is a bridge too -- >> he's a cautious guy. when he moves, it means he's reflecting everybody behind him. he does not move on his own. >> if this isn't a bridge too far, the party is -- >> don't forget his wife, a former cabinet secretary, is from an immigrant background and he reflects that and talks about that quite a bit. >> mitch mcconnell's whole book is about the pride he has in deciding to go lbj instead of goldwater simply over goldwater's views on the civil rights act.
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his hero, republican senator from kentucky who went against the grain. >> here we go. >> let's see what happened yesterday in that senate meeting. joining us now from the capital. >> a member of the armed services committee, republican senator dan sullivan of alaska. >> so dan, what happened -- >> morning, joe. >> what happened, forks and knives and spoons all over the place. i heard kelly was pretty upset. >> let me say, when donald trump makes statements we don't agree with, we speak out. i'm certainly one to be critical. certainly the comments were completely wrong, the latest ones. here is the issue, he has an opportunity right now. has he wo paths, continue these
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self-inflicted wounds. you guys have been talking about these are going to create lessening support for him, and you're starting to see it, or pivot to questions americans care about. the number one issue, and we've talked about it on your show, they care about is the economy. we have had a lost decade of economic growth under president obama. last week you saw this jobs report came out. another anemic report on the economy. almost half a million americans quit looking for jobs. this is the thing americans want to talk about. this is the opportunity he has. if he starts to focus on these issues on national security as opposed to these self-inflicting wounds, we're going to have what we should have, which is a real presidential debate on important policies that the american people actually care about. >> so you're -- if he starts talking about that, you're willing to disregard these
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comments and just pretend they didn't happen? >> as i mentioned, i'm certainly not one who has disregarded the comments. as a matter of fact, in areas where it's these kind of inappropriate, very inappropriate comments or -- >> do you agree with paul ryan that the statements that he made about the federal judge were racist? >> look, the statements were equating ethnicity with bias which goes against everything we believe in in america. >> a racist statement? >> i'll let you guys label it. >> i want to know whether you think that was -- i'll label it. i think it was racist. what about you? >> i think the statement was clearly wrong and i called for him to retract it. again, joe, what we need to have is a debate. when donald trump actually focuses on issues with some discipline -- his energy speech,
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that was a really good energy speech. >> that's like saying look at the bird. don't look at this, look at the bird. let me just ask you -- >> david duke can talk about the keystone pipeline. >> senator, yoptd to look at the bird. i'm asking you is he fit to be president if he makes a statement like this and doesn't retract it. is he fit to be president? >> look, on the issue of is he fit to be president, the american people are going to decide on is he fit to be president in the next several months. they are will going to decide on whether hillary clinton is fit to be president. you have a candidate here talking about we have policies that will put a lot of coal miners out of work. that's an outrageous statement, federal government is going to attack hardworking americans with no legal authority. >> you've got to be kidding me. i'm sorry. >> when donald trump makes statements i think are offensive or even policy statements that i disagree with, i'm somebody who has come out and been very clear, very direct with how i
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view those. >> let's go to willie geist. >> another question just to button this up, do you believe, senator sullivan, what donald trump said about the judge is racist? >> i think it's a racist statement and he should retract it. >> let me ask you another question. you said you support the nominee but you've not explicitly endorsed donald trump of what's the distinction there? why not come out and endorse donald trump. >> i think when you say you're going to support someone, and i've said it, as we move forward i'm looking to support the nominee at this time. what you're seeing is that if he continues these self-inflicted wounds, you're starting to see a lack of support. has he an opportunity. bob corker was on the show yesterday, and i agree with what he was talking about. he has an opportunity. indeed, he has an obligation, in my view, as the presumptive nominee to start talking about the issues that matter. donald trump can speak very creditably on the issue of the economy. >> senator, we have to go to
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break pretty soon but let me ask you really quickly. you agree with chairman corker that he has about two weeks to turn this around? that's what chairman corker said? >> look, joe, i don't know what the exact time line is. but as i mentioned, the longer these self-inflicted wounds continue, you know, the less support he's going to get. he has an opportunity now. there's so many issues where he stacks up against hillary, economy, energy, overregulation, second amendment, where if he is disciplined and lays out his views, he's going to get the majority of the american people to agree with him over her. that's what he needs to do. >> thank you so much, senator dan sullivan, appreciate that willie, you're much better at this than me. i asked him five times and he didn't answer. you asked him once -- >> have you to ask nicely. >> yes, it's a racist statement. >> interesting to watch many politicians tap dance with these questions. >> how do you do that? >> you softened him up with the
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five. >> it is fascinating. everything that bush, rubio, cruz, kasich said would happen when clinton got her hands on trump and when trump was the sole person, it's all playing out exactly. if you're jeb bush and you're marco rubio and you're cruz, you're just sitting there going -- look at the speech she's able to give. she's confident. she feels as if i can win a choice with him. you see her confidence. can you imagine what her speech would look like if that marco rubio had won? that would be a much tougher speech. it was easier for her to give. >> andrea. >> you can see, and you referenced this earlier, guys, she has a confidence and a poise. her tone of her voicish she just has a seriousness of purpose that she didn't have before. >> and now with that, which, you
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know, andrea, you say in the room it was just, you know, kind of incredible. >> electric. >> it was even -- it was electric over the television airwaves. kasie hunt, now she's running against her opponent, someone who has made racist comments and will not retract them. it's becoming kind of cut and dried for her. >> one thing that i picked up when i was over at the brooklyn headquarters a day or so ago from the people around her, kind of as they discussed her mind-set, i think that there is a seriousness of purpose around her and those close to her in that they feel that beating donald trump in particular is almost a mission that frankly makes the stakes in even higher for them. they, of course, don't want to say it would be okay if jeb bush or marco rubio became a republican president, but i
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think they really believe that there's a heavyweight on their shoulders. if they screw this up, the consequences for the country would be very high. i think that attitude and that feeling really is permeating the work they are doing now. >> you know, mika, donald trump has never apologized. i think his future as a nominee, a successful nominee of this party depends on him doing something he's never done before, stepping up and apologizing and understanding what a horrific racist statement he made. i will tell you this, you know, it's kind of like when i ran the first time again a guy who was a democrat who tried to separate himself from bill clinton, it's just easy. >> what are they going to do? when has that ever worked? >> it never works. you have here, though, a similar situation where we just had the senator come on and say, well, yes, maybe he's a racist, but
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i'll tell you what, he's really good on energy policy. it doesn't work. >> for the party, that's what i don't get. >> the alternative. >> at some point you have to say what's right. >> listen, like i said earlier today, the alternative is this, it's called the art of the deal. donald trump stand shoulder to shoulder, you don't get any of our endorsements, none, until you prove to us you understand that what you made was a racist statement and you prove to us that moving forward you're going to be different. we just had ben ginsberg on here. if this continues, guess what, they could try to change the rules. not a majority -- >> last sentence "wall street journal" editorial page, it's what every republican in washington is thinking about this morning. >> but they are not saying. >> because the party's future hangs in the balance, because you've got a guy who openly makes racist statements and he's getting more emboldened by the moment. so yeah. >> like senator sullivan just emboldened him. why would he do anything?
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he's not going to do anything right because he's emboldened by weak, spineless leadership in washington. sorry. >> let's see what the end of the month looks like. i think corker is right. if he's down eight to ten, which is very possible, i think sanders people start coming into the -- then you will have -- and we hear about the fundraising problems, he picked a bad week to have a bad week, when everything is focused now. do you know how many donors are watching this? >> the donors are all saying what the hell is going on. all the big donors are saying the same thing right now. you did have senator sullivan say it was a racist comment. >> yeah, but his energy policy -- >> i'm just saying, the more you hear this, the more pressure is going to mount. >> kacie, chuck todd, friedman ahead stay with us. what are you?
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majority of americans can be achieved. for one thing we're the biggest single grouping of conservatives to be found. they are found in that party. it makes much more sense to build on that grouping rather than break it up and start over from the bottom. >> that was then former governor ronald reagan in 1977 dismissing the idea then that republicans should break up the conservative party and start over. p joining us columnist and pulitzer prize winning writer, "dump the grand old party." you write in part -- this is blistering, just going to warn you all -- you write, "if a party could declare moral bankruptcy today's republican party would be in chapter 11. this party needs to just shut itself down and over now. america needs a healthy center right party to ensure democrats
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remain a healthy center left party but this republican party is none of those things. today's gop is governing what trump university is to education, and ethically challenged enterprise that enriches and perpetuates itself by shedding all pretense of standing for real principles or truly relevant value proposition and instead places on the ignorance an fears of the public. it is just an empty shell, selling pieces of it's self to the highest bidders. and then you get personal. you talked to chris christie, you talked to john mccain and you say this. et tu john mccain? you didn't break under torture from the north vietnamese but you hunger -- your hunger for re-election is so great you don't dare raise your voice against donald trump. i hope you lose. you deserve to. marco rubio, you called trump a con man.
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he julinsults your very being. good riddance. chris christie -- >> especially a man you've had great respect for, john mccain, truly a war hero, a great american patriot. everything you've been talking about, joe, imagine if john mccain were out there talking about what you've been talking about, clear, principled, i don't think trump would survive. i think this thing would be in a very different place. few people whose voice come more than others and he's one of them and it's missing in action. >> why? >> he wants to get re-elected in arizona, the base there. he fears the base in the primaries is with trump. what i don't understand, joe, here is my bigger question, what fun is it to be a republican lawmaker today if everything you
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believe in you have to -- or many of the things you believe in, common sense things, you have to bite your tongue. >> the thing is, tom, i've always said nobody stops you when you're going 90 miles an hour, that's what i learned in politics, i went after newt gingrich when newt gingrich was extraordinarily popular in my district. ran him out of town with 10 or 11 other republicans. guess what, i just explained to the people why. you know what they said, okay, we didn't know that. okay. guess what, i get 80% of the vote next time. that's the thing. why are they afraid of their own shadows? people -- if you give people the truth, they will trust you and they will vote for you. >> what i like to say, joe, if you don't trust people with the truth, they won't trust you. they can smell it at 100 paces. >> you wrote earlier this month
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about hillary clinton. you say i rise in weak defense hillary clinton. understands the role she played as secretary of state, is she the lesser of two evils for you in this race? >> look, i'm -- i've never neve enthusiast about any of these people. for me these are the choices we have. this is an important moment not only because we are electing three different branches of government but where we are as a country. who becomes president now really, really matters. when it comes to choice between hillary and bernie sanders and donald trump i do not subscribe to the sanders agenda at all. i think when it comes to his economic plan he is telling huge burger king whoppers about what he can deliver for american people. i think trump is delivering huge burger king double whoppers.
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these are my choices. i will go with the one who has the chance to deliver. >> she wouldn't be your first pick in a blind choice. >> this is the choice we have. it is too late to talk about what my ideal pick is. >> what do you say to the millions of people who voted for trump? are they just wrong? are they blinded? what's the truth to them? telling team they are wrong doesn't tend to create a great deal of intellectual growth. >> i go back to joe's point which is i think you can tell people you're wrong. i think you can tell people what we need now is common sense. i'm not against the second amendment. how about a common sense gun law. i'm a pretty fiscally conservative guy. how about common sense fiscal policy. when our infrastructure is crumbling, i come up here for this show and go through pen
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station. it was invented before first suitcases. what about common sense climate policy? a little bit of insurance given where we are. i think there are a lot of conservatives that i know who believe in that common sense. if they got a chance to make that the center piece of the party, make their case, i am a huge believer that people listen through their stomach. they don't listen through their ears. if you connect with them on a gut level and they think you are serious they will follow you. i watched that. if you are bobbing and wheeving and doing this stuff they can smell it. whatever they identify with trump they identify with someone who they think is talking the truth. as i said in that common, the reason they voted for trump is exact laep what you saw this morning with that senator. they just want their seats so why not have trump and the entertainment and reality tv?
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up next, from a concession speech to a celebration, what a difference eight years makes for hillary clinton. it's still a long road to the general election and bernie sanders says he is not going anywhere. plus, donald trump tries to steady the ship with a scripted speech.
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first time in our nation's history that a woman will be a major party's nominee. >> we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate. thank you all. the struggle continues. >> last night hillary clinton claimed victory in the democratic primary but bernie
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sanders vows to fight on to next week's final contest in washington, d.c. and then to the convention in philadelphia. >> what a big night for hillary clinton. what an incredible speech and great moment in history. >> it was something. >> let's look at the races. california, nbc news just projected hillary clinton the winner there. she is also the projected winner in new jersey, new mexico and apparent winner in south dakota. bernie sanders is projectedn north dakota and montana. even so the delegate math says it all, hillary clinton is leading by a commanding -- >> you know what else? front page of "new york times." clinton claims democratic nomination. history is made. >> i was sitting with my daughter like you have seen two incredible moments in history, the first african-american president and now the first woman democratic nominee.
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>> i remember when bill clinton won it and that was pretty impressive. >> it is wednesday june 8. >> we have legendary columnist. legendary. >> where are my keys? >> i don't get it. >> where is -- >> did he have to win? >> just nominee. >> friday. got to get the vote friday. >> decide on friday. >> former communications director for president george w. bush, nicole wallace. >> you were so great last night. >> she was here until like 2:00 in the morning. >> 1:40 to give phil credit. >> a lot of history last night.
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hillary, of course, making history. donald trump. you had mitch mcconnell last night saying you are running out of time, buddy. you need to get your act together or we're gone. paul ryan absolutely just -- >> i don't understand why they can't just say we are not with you. mark kirk did. >> so when you go to the camera you take that and then you move a little bit, push and push. push in. thank you. boom. did it again. just like monday night football in '73. you have it all going. >> this is an amazing one. >> look at that. >> i'm excited. >> that is suitable for framing right there. for all the talk of hillary clinton being such a robotic political candidate there was a moment when she first stepped on the stage and saw the crowd and was drinking in the moment that
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was real emotion. you don't see it from her very often. if you watch that 30 seconds or so you can see her drinking in that moment. >> if you watch her the way she took it in, a wash with cheers from the audience, the music was good. you can sense, at least i did, you could sense the fact that she feels now free, finally free. free from the burden, heartbreak of losing in 2008. free from the burden of introspection of the media surveillance. just free, a free woman running for president of the united states. >> you know, as you look at her here and you see the smiles, a lot of times you see her on stage and she is smiling and looks like a politician who is trying to smile, that does look so genuine and so many people who know her have long said they
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wish she would just be herself because they love her up close and last night i think we got more of a glimpse of the personal meeting the political. >> and the person who knows there is a tough road ahead and ready for it, here is more of hillary clinton last night strongly contrasting her vision for america with that of donald trump. >> cooperation is better than conflict. unity is better than division. empowerment is better than resentment and bridges are better than walls. when he says let's make america great again, that is code for let's take america backwards. when donald trump says a distinguished judge born in indiana can't do his job because of his mexican heritage or he
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mocks a reporter with disabilities or calls women pigs it goes against everything we stand for. we believe we should lift each other up, not tear each other down. >> nicole, let me ask you, you have been around presidential campaigns for a long time. we have been brutal on hillary clinton and her staged robotic performances, terrible campaign from time to time. i thought that was a great moment for her. i thought she hit all the marks. i thought she hit them exactly the way you want to right when people are starting to pay close attention. >> she strung together two of the strongest performances in
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her career. they were the two best crafted speeches. they read well and perform well. she also fixed the problems she had. we always heard from her friends and defenders that in a room and privately she is so engaging and it is not reading. it's how they would sort of explain it. she has figured out how to make her weaknesses strengths. the side that wins in a general election contest is the side that one remains on offense and turns weaknesses into assets and she has made this lack of a little bit of pizazz into an incredibly at this point favorable contrast to her opponent, shooting from the hip in the way that has the republican establishment running
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around with their hair on fire. >> meanwhile donald trump was spending the day trying to quiet the criticism. >> it got ugly. >> it did. >> over comments about whether judges -- most focussed on defending trump university. the presumptive republican nominee said in part it is unfortunate that my comments have been misconstrued as a categorical attack. the american justice system relies on fair and impartial judges. i do not feel that one's heritage makes them incapable of being impartial. based on rulings i have received i feel justified in questioning whether i am receiving a fair trial. trump said i do not intend to comment on this matter any further. and in scripted remarks read
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from teleprompter last night and seemed to look to move on. >> giving me the honor to lead the republican party to victory this fall. i understand the responsibility of carrying the metal and i will never, ever let you down. too much work, too many people, blood sweat and tears. never going to let you down. to those who voted for someone else in either party i will work hard to earn your support and i will work very hard to earn that support. to all of those bernie sanders voters who are left out in the cold by a rigged system of superdelegates, we welcome you with open arms. >> reince priebus responded to trump's remarks, great victory speech by donald trump tonight,
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exactly the right approach and perfectly delivered. we are still seeing the republican party establishment trying to walk the tight rope of supporting trump's candidacy while denouncing his statements. summed up house speaker paul ryan's while ryan tried to talk about poverty agenda he was dragged into controversy surrounding trump. >> claiming a person can't do the job because of their race is like the textbook definition of a racist comment. it is absolutely unacceptable. but do i believe that hillary clinton is the answer? no, i do not. i believe we have more common ground on the policy issues in the day and more likelihood of getting our policies enacted with him than with her. >> mitch mcconnell had this stern message for trump. >> i think a good place to start would be to apologize for the various totally inappropriate things that he said over the last couple of weeks.
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another thing i would like to see him do is get on script. i think it is time for him to look like a serious candidate for president which means that you need to think before you speak. you need to apologize when you make a mistake and get on script. he's running for the most important job in the country, some would argue in the world. i think there is a certain threshold of credibility that needs to be met. i was with him in the green room when he went to nra convention in louisville a couple of weeks ago. i said donald, you have a script? are you going to use it? he said i hate the script. it's boring. i said put me down -- >> so, mika, let's start with paul ryan. i have to say it's still
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confounding to me where paul, a guy that i have known and liked so much and have had so much respect for, he says that donald trump is guilty of, quote, textbook racism. but i'm still on his side. i can't imagine in a million years me endorsing somebody, somebody saying something that i would say is textbook racist and me saying but i'm still on his side. >> i think it would be hard even if trump said i'm sorry it was wrong what i said. >> i would like to hear paul ryan say he needs to apologize. he needs to apologize to the judge. he needs to bend over backwards to show just how wrong he was. paul is not asking for anything. like you said when he endorsed him, you are going to get nothing from this. >> if you don't have that at
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least full throated apology you have those words and those words were racist. and corker is giving him several weeks to get his act together. the problem is that racism is almost something beyond repair. if a person feels comfortable saying something racist is a racist then that is as bad as anything else that is destructive in our society. racism destroys this country. it leads to violence. i don't understand how paul ryan could want to attack the poverty problem in our country with a racist, with someone who has racist beliefs, who is inspired to go there when they feel like they are in a corner. i mean, it doesn't make any sense. how can you work with this person? >> when he is in a corner, so he is in a corner with trump u. so he uses the race card. he is in a corner in the fall so
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he says i think at the time he was fighting ben carson so brings up the let's ban all muslims. he wasn't sure whether he was going to win in the deep south so he felt like he was in a corner. so he decides the night before the southern primaries to say he doesn't know david duke. this is strike three you're out. the question is, we are talking about he needs to say he is sorry and say this and that. the question is, what exactly does he say at this point now that he has used race as much as he has. what your parents or grand parents were now makes you unqualified to be a full 100% american. >> you can go back further. go to first day of campaign. his introduction to the presidential race was comment
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about illegal immigrants being rapists and murderers. the question i ask is what about donald trump makes you think that he is going to change? this is who he is. this is who he has been, the way he has conducted his campaign. i don't know what these buffer zones are getting him. what are you going to see out of him. i think paul ryan's argument is i want to get a conservative agenda through the house. i want to get a conservative agenda signed by a president. he believes that donald trump is more likely to go along with the paul ryan agenda than hillary clinton is. he is saying i have an apple and an orange. i will take the orange over the apple. >> would he say the same thing about david duke? david duke would be more likely to pass the agenda through the house than, say, hillary clinton. how do you do this? how does this square up with paul ryan, a guy who we conservatives have been cheering for years for being a jack kemp
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conservative where you can talk about reaching out to the truly -- >> last -- >> massive big government programs. >> the odds are that history will view the actions, the behavior, the rhetoric of so many people around donald trump who have supported or who have endorsed him. history will view it as a horrific inindictment of the existing power of the republican party out of washington, d.c. they are so blind to what they hear and see on an every day basis coming from trump. trump is a 70-year-old man. he is not going to change at this point. this latest spectacle began with trump university. that has nothing to do with our government, has nothing to do with the future of this country or how your children are going to go to school or whether the year will be -- >> so defensive. >> it is a private enterprise. that is what began this. so you have a series of
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republican leaders making fools of themselves. i hesitate to say paul ryan. my friend john mccain, they do not look great. you is to ask yourself, how can you continue to stand behind someone, you call someone. he has made racist statements in the past. how do you do that? >> it is what i saw in washington, d.c. i'm on the republican side. so if they get torches and go out and -- i have to be -- the democrats do the same thing. there is just this blindness. it seems to me that donald trump is making every republican pay a price that is too high, a price that could end republican's control of the senate, a price to make them lose control of the house, a price that can split the republican party right in half. my question is this. when is there going to be a
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republican in washington, d.c. that makes donald trump pay a price? when is paul ryan going to go in front of a microphone today and say until donald trump apologizes for his racist comments and gives me a reason to believe that we are still the party of lincoln, that we are still the party that freed the slaves, that we are still the party that believes all americans, all americans have the opportunity to rise to the top, not by government handouts but by their own power and their own genius with a helping hand from us? until he proves that he belongs in the party of reagan and lincoln he doesn't get my endorsement. he doesn't get my vote. he doesn't get my support. who will say that in washington, d.c.? >> well, mark kirk came pretty close to saying that by
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rescinding his support. lindsey graham who always has a lot to say. he may do what jeb bush plans to do -- >> what about the leadership? newt can say it better than anybody. >> let me say this. what they are trying to balance is something that can't be squared. so they are looking at the base of the republican party saying my base chose him so i must get behind him. the spirit of it is accurate, the will of the people, the will of the base of our party. it took them a really long time to get here. >> let me ask you this question. your parents and -- >> my parents are horrified by it. >> they were with him from the very beginning. my brother is horrified by this. your parents are horrified by this. they are trump's base. they have been trump's base and they are horrified by this.
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why isn't paul ryan? >> let me finish this thought because it is taking longer than it should to come out. just give me a break. what they can do now is binary. they can either leave their endorsement in place or revoke it but there is no curtain number three. what they have to do is decide. chris christie, whatever you think of the choice, doubled down on his support for donald trump. he was there all day yesterday helping him with the statement that went out with the speech last night. whatever you think of the moves he has made his bed and is lying in it. mark kirk chose the other path. mark kirk revoked his support. >> there is a third choice. i'll tell you what the third choice is. donald, i'm not going to support you until you get your act together. you are acting like a loser, acting like a racist and bigot.
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this is called art of the deal. i'm taking my deal off the table. until you get on the other side of the table and prove you are not a bigot and not going to take my party down in the ditch, you don't have my endorsement and you can't use hillary clinton as a gun against my head. i'm taking the gun away from my head. i'm putting it on the table and now it is in your hands on whether you are going to prove to the republican party and me personally that you are not a bigot. so don't use hillary clinton as a threat against me. don't use hillary clinton as an excuse as your blank check to say racist things about people born in indiana. you don't get to play it that way. i'm not scared of you and i'm not scared of the base because you are just as pissed off as me. it is called art of the deal. it is what donald trump has been preaching his life. i can't say the word that they are. they are weak.
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you are being weak. >> you bring up hillary clinton. it's a great point because here is the deal. paul ryan, you can't use hillary clinton either in your pathetic, weak kind of meandering around this problem because willie geist you know what we have here with republican leaders who are like can't have hillary clinton. you will take a racist. you hate her that much we will have eight more years of republicans we had who said we just want you to fail. >> it is the worst of all worlds, willie. if they embrace the racist to beat hillary they lose to hillary and they destroy the party. >> they hate her that much. >> they lose. listen to me. you embrace a guy making racist comments you lose the presidency. >> amazing. >> and then you lose the senate and you lose the house.
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then we small government conservatives are screwed because you destroyed our party because you are running scared. stop running scared. you have to stand up to donald trump and say prove to us that you deserve our support. and when you do that then maybe we will consider giving you our endorsement back. right now they are running scared and donald smells it. he sees them as weak cowards unless they start standing up to him right now and they take their party back. donald trump needs them more than they need donald trump. >> that is my question. what is the cost of saying what you just said? why is that a risky thing to do? if paul ryan said it is no deal, my endorsement is off the table, i'm not supporting you until you change, why can't he say that? why can't people who tell us privately and roll their eyes about donald trump and support him, why can't they say that?
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what is the cost of saying that? still ahead on "morning joe." >> tonight i had a very gracious call from secretary clinton and congratulated her on her victories tonight. i am pretty good in arithmetic and i know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate. >> emphasis on tonight. bernie sanders vows to take the fight to the convention in philadelphia. chris jansing joins us live from california where hillary clinton was just declared the winner. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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32 past the hour. the white house says that president obama spoke with both hillary clinton and bernie sanders to congratulate them on a hard fought primary that energized the party. tomorrow is shaping up to be a big day for sanders. he'll meet with the president as well as the senate minority leader harry reid and will hold a rally in d.c. last night senator sanders greeted a raucous crowd in santa monica. his wife jane said they are still with you. he began his speech framing the scope of his campaign from fringe candidate to winner of state after state and as he pressed on it became clear he was not finished fighting yet. >> next tuesday we continue the
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fight in the last primary in washington. and then we take our fight for social, economic, racial and environmental justice to philadelphia, pennsylvania. i am pretty good in arithmetic and i know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate. thank you all. the struggle continues. >> let's bring in columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> when did donald call you gene washington?
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>> last week. >> and chris jansing. >> do you get the sense that bernie sanders is really going to take this all the way to the convention? >> i had a little different read of the speech last night than i think other people did. he didn't say hillary clinton has made history, i want to congratulate her for that. he said that they had a gracious call. he said he had a fine call from president obama. but i do think that if somebody has listened to his speech for the last month, there were some changes that may be significant. that is when he talked about the struggle continues, the whole setup to that was really about the issues that the people who follow him, the 3,304 people in that room and the sound was deafening, those are the kinds of things he laid out before
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saying we are going to take this all the way to the convention which i think to me left an opening. look, talking to two people very close to him yesterday, they said he is going to need a couple of days. i think we also have to put this in the context of where they were in the night. all along bernie sanders says we have pressed him why are you still in the race? not an easy thing for a candidate to hear. the answer was i don't want to deal in hypotheticals. last night when he took to the stage he had not been with two of the people who are closest to advising him on these kinds of issues, jeff weaver, tad divine, they were looking at the returns coming in. they told him he looked good for montana and that california was indeed closing. and you mentioned this, mika,
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there was a very personal and i thought private moment in the midst of these people between jane and bernie sanders when she kissed him and she said they are still with you. there is no doubt that these folks are still with him. so heez he's got to walk that l that candidates have for so many years, that hillary clinton had to do in 2008 which is that they have to figure out how to take it and move it forward. >> i talked to a lot of people. they waited for five hours many of them. they are not of a mindset to immediately move on. so that's the challenge for him, for hillary clinton, for barack obama. these meetings i think tomorrow are going to be very, very important. and so will some good sleep. >> thank you so much. >> where does bernie go from here? >> back to the senate. >> just like that? >> he is going to meet with
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harry reid. that's an important meeting. another important meeting would be with chuck schumer. if i were bernie sanders one thing that would have crossed my mind is that democrats have a chance to take back the senate. and he can be a very important man in the u.s. senate. he has this movement now, what is he going to do with it? if you assemble an army, unless you give it a new nation or something like that it dissipates and goes away and then you are not bernie sanders the rock star, you the senator from vermont. you have to have a goal. you have to have a position. i think that is what he needs to play for. >> coming up on "morning joe" in iowa and south carolina everyone wants to see what evangelical voters will do. which candidate will they turn to next, donald trump or hillary
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the evangelicals have been unbelievable to donald trump. they have been unbelievable. boy, do they understand me. they understand me better than anybody. i said that this morning to somebody. i said i think the evangelicals really do get me. >> you get him. donald trump will headline the faith and freedom coalition's road to maturity conference. joining us now ralph reed served as senior adviser in 2000 and 2004. >> all evangelicals believe you were saved by faith and grace and -- >> and by asking for forgiveness. what do evangelicals make of a
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man who says he has no need for god to forgive him, can't name a verse in the bible and refers to to -- >> and won the evangelical vote in the primaries against a field that included two sons of preachers, ted cruz and scott walker, a former preacher, mike huckabee. >> explain that to us. >> it is a teachable moment for everybody about the faith vote in america. the first myth is that they vote based on identity politics. in other words, if somebody goes to the same church i do and they take to the same confession i do i am going to vote for them as opposed to this person over there. not true. never been true. when reagan was asked if he was born again he said we don't use that phrase in my church. he won the is evangelical vote
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against jimmy carter. the second way trump did it is he understood in a way nobody else understood this was unconventional year that demanded unconventional campaign. he didn't listen to consultant class. >> that guy also at the same time is praising planned parenthood. >> let's be clear. the third and this is critical. he would have never done this without this. he signed on the dotted line on the key moral and cultural issues that fuel this constituency. he is pro life. he says he is against federal funding for planned parenthood. he has said they do good things but said they are not going to get it done with taxpayer money because they perform abortions. he is on record in support of traditional marriage. he strongly pro-israel. had he not signed on those core issues he would not have gotten
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a hearing. >> but do evangelicals think he is sincere? these are not positions he held weeks or months before he ran for president. it is pretty well known that beforehand was kind of a moderate democrat and supported planned parenthood. so how does that work? >> evangelicals and not them alone, let's be clear, all people of faith but particularly evangelicals. when somebody comes forward and says i used to be this but now i'm that they don't turn them away, they embrace them. reagan signed the most permissive abortion law in america in 1969 i think before we became pro life. bush 41 was pro choice before he
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became pro life. mitt romney was pro choice before he became pro life. there is nothing new. that is a sign of success, not failure. >> an op-ed reads this. as he has on so much else, trump has been entirely opportunistic in approach to religion. his comments suggest he is far more anti-multi cultural than religion. if i become president we will be saying merry christmas at every store he said. the fact he chose this chose his real engagement is with identity politics, not religion. aren't you concerned about that? >> he is a really smart guy and
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an outstanding chroniclerer of american politics. he is not right on this. i will tell you why. if you go to a trump rally he doesn't just talk about merry christmas. he also talks about the beheading of christians by isis and how he is going to wipe out ice skps how -- he also is the only candidate to my knowledge on record in my career as saying that if he becomes president he is going to repeal the death penalty for christian churches who have any kind of political engagement. you can be a $10 million church by budget you spend one dime educating and turning out voters and you lose your tax exempt status. >> we have two people to get to in one minute. >> what do you say -- do you believe that there is an issue with christians that is those who have innate distrust of political process that trump is moving around that they end up
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staying home? >> there is always a danger of that. make no mistake about it, he has work to do. if you look at the fox news poll these are the only two i have seen with a good evangelical cross tab. he is getting 68% of evangelical vote today. there is still wait and see. there are people kicking tires. >> what does evangelical do wrestling internally with the concept of living their life on faith and values and looking at presidential candidate who has managed to talk about excluding people of faith and values from entering this country? >> well, i think that there is a diversity of views on that in our community. i think there are people who have said that they don't think anybody should be excluded based on their faith. that is certainly where i come down. there are many other people who
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think and you saw this reflected in the exit polls. in every exit poll 65%, 70% of primary voters saying there is an issue in the muslim community. not all muslims. but there are clearly people getting into our country who pose a threat and we need to do something about it. so it obviously resonated. like a lot of things donald trump did in the primaries the smart set said it would back fire on him and it didn't. >> we will have to have you back as this plays out. thank you very much for coming on. we are back in just a moment. n pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions. you're not even registered; i'm done with you!
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