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muhammad sneaks up behind me and puts his fingers up. finally, after all the years we've been friend, my enduring image of him is like a little reel in three shots. the boxer i thrilled to as a boy. the man i watched take the last steps to light the olympic flame when i was president. [ applause ] i'll never forget it. i was sitting there in atlanta. by then we knew each other. i was still weeping like a baby seeing his handshake and his legs shake and knowing by god he was going to make those last few
steps no matter what it took. the flame would be lit. the fight would be won. i knew it would happen. and then this. the children whose lives he touched. the young people he inspired. it's the most important thing of all. i ask you to remember that. we all have an ali story. it's the gifts we all have that should be most honored today. he released them to the world. never wasting a day that the rest of us could see, any way. feeling sorry for himself that he had parkinson's.
knowing that more than three decades of his life would be circumscribed in ways that would be chilling to the naked eye, but with a free spirit, it made his life bigger, not smaller because other people, all of us unlettered, unschooled and the unleashing said would you look at that. look at that. may not be able to run across the ring anymore, he's bigger than ever because he's a free man of faith sharing the gifts we all have. we should honor him by letting our gifts go among the world as he did. god bless you.
[ applause ] >> bill clinton, the last and to quote him, his spirit was reaffirmed today. a certain sense that we are closing a chapter on the last century. reverend al sharpton has been watching and listening with us. >> i was very moved by the ceremony. mrs. ali said he had written out a lot of what they call the book, where he wanted to be in charge of the overview of his
services. the two things was the letters from the president. president obama really identified how people should not confuse muhammad ali's standing up against the war or protesting against inequality is he didn't believe in this country. one of the things that, i think, people don't understand is protesters and activists really believe in the country a lot more than some people that resist them because we're appealing to live up to what we hope and believe itill be. ali really believed in that. he used to tell me all the time the story about that police offic officer, a white police officer, that gave him his start in boxing. i'm so happy that lonnie told that story and president obama talked about activism. when president clinton talked
about how he fought the last part of his life against this parkinson's disease and how he never gave in and never felt sorry for himself, i think the two messages that they gave was a befitting memorial to man that really will take years upon years to capsulize. he was all of that and more. i hope we won't turn the page and say another great man is gone but we really reflect on the magnitude and the gravity of what ali did for this country. did for this world and did for everybody. he would not want to be limited to just his religion and his race. he wanted to use it as a basis to go forward. >> thanks. part of the lesson is we can't turn the page and we won't.
>> my favorite line is lonnie said a cop and inner city kid start talking, miracles can happen. joe martin met this kid when he had his bike stolen. now the kid starts to go to the columbia gym in louisville. he said he always fought best when he was in trouble. i love the fact president clinton referenced the way he fought parkinson's disease. the knnobility he brought to th was as good as the nobility he brought to the ring. >> we have lost dave in louisville. mike in 30 seconds or less, ever been anymore that's married the worlds of sports society like this man?
>> no. i think we talked about this one other time. the last column that the great red smith ever wrote ended with the line maybe some day there would be another demaggio. it was the thing that kept him going. i don't think there will be another ali. you know what, it's okay. >> yeah, it's okay. today had the feeling of the period at the end of a sentence ending the last century as the new york times put it, the night he died, an icon of the last century is gone. appropriately remembered today by all in attention. when we come back from a break, we'll join with "with all due respect" already in progress. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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clinton's presidential campaign team. after that big day of endorsemen endorsements, warren is just one of heavy hitters stepping up to the 2016 election plate and swinging for the fence in this already vastly extended baseball metaphor, it includes biden and of course hitting the clean up spot is president barack obama. his appearance on the tonight show with jimmy fallon aired last night. let's take a look at the replay. >> donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one but himself. >> i find donald trump's conduct in this regard reprehenceable. and undercutting the legitimate
of a judge by suggesting that because of his heritage he's incapable of being fair. in addition to this, it's racist. >> thank you congress for spending eight years wishing you could replace me with a republican or to put it another way, how do you like me now? >> okay. couple of hard hits and then a joke just to round it out. the strength is only heightened by the state of surrogates on the republican bench. trump argued his statements were misc misc misconstrued. ben carson said trump fully realizes that was not the right thing to say. good job.
what roles do you think that each of those super surrogates, what distinct roles do you think they will play as they go forward? >> it will be a long time as we have a president of the united states as cool as barack obama. >> really cool on the humor. >> all of hillary clinton's surrogates can hit major league pitching to continue endlessly this baseball metaphor. trump's surrogate, he seems to have none. the best seem to be his children. going forward, the strongest surrogate that hillary clinton has without doubt will be the president of the united states who is fully committed to beating donald trump. not just beating donald trump but devastating donald trump because of the roots of his
atipathy is the birth certifica certificate. >> these three will all be a part of the campaign. elizabeth warren is shaping up as a fiery attack dog figure. she will appeal to the populous left. she can take trump on with a degree of ferocity that hillary clinton can. trump will mock her, but she will still be good in that role. biden appealing to white male voters. no one is in a better position even better than hillary clinton pop no o . no one is in position to suggest he is unsuited to be president in chief than the guy who is. >> the fearlessness with which she takes on donald trump when the field of republican candidates against donald trump were fearful of him. >> yeah. none of those folks, biden,
warren, obama and when bill clinton gets out there, none of them will be afraid of donald trump. he'll have good days on this campaign, no doubt. i don't see a single surrogate right now for donald trump. it's not that i don't see it, there's not one, who can play at major league level like all of those four people who are at the top of the democratic surrogate lineup. >> i agree. top republicans like house speaker paul ryan and mitch mcconnell are still clearly uncomfortable with having him as the party's presumptive nominee. in tone and substance they are handling this hot potato in different ways. ryan in an interview that aired on good morning america and mcconnell masters in podcast. >> this is something that needed to be condemned. that's not political correctness. suggesting that a person can't do their job because of their
race or ethnicity, that's not a political incorrect thing to do, that's just a wrong thing to say. i hope that he gets that. i believe he walks this comment back. >> what core principle is more important than standing up against racism? >> that's why i spoke out against it. hopefully it won't continue. >> it's pretty obvious he doesn't know a lot about the issues. you see that in the debates in which he's participated. it's why i have argued to him publicly and privately that he ought to use a script more often. it's nothing wrong with having prepared text. it indicates a level of seriousness that i think is important to convey to the american people about the job you're seeking. >> john, mcconnell seems like he's being a little tougher than ryan especially in his comments today to bloomberg that he said he knows nothing about the issues but we can coach him. what's going on here? >> well, look, there's issues institutional issues,
differences between the house and senate. we can talk about those in a second. mitch mckconnell is in the job. paul ryan wants to be president of the united states. he's looking at 2020 and the likelihood that donald trump, in his view, donald trump will lose this election, and ryan is trying to figure out way to protect his members but not alienate trump voters that he might need when he runs for president next time around. >> mitch mcconnell has a reputation of being a very cautious individual who would not tell you if your coat were on fire, nor would i tell you. >> it's happened, my coat's been on fire and you've said nothing. >> yeah. what is going through mcconnell's mind? he's seeming to write donald trump off in a sense. >> i think mcconnell is focused
on trying to somehow, somehow, against the odds given the number of seats that republicans are defending wanting to keep hold of the senate majority. the only way to do is to put as much distance as possible between themselves and donald trump. he's starting to lay down markers for that right now. i think he'll be running away from donald trump along with a lot of republican senators all election long. >> do you think paul ryan's job as leader of the house, the phrase leadership and character both go together. what is he sacrificing in terms of his hesitancy to really come out and say, listen, this guy is not what i thought he was? >> you tell me. what do you think he's sacrificing? the question is loaded. you seem to be suggesting something. >> i think he's sacrificing a lot of his hard earned reputation that he has a smart guy who wants to broaden him approach to politics, poverty and things like that.
he's sacrificing. >> he's in a ridiculous position right now which is to say, he's a racist, his comments are textbook racism and yet i still endorse him. not a great place to be. today was the funeral of great, great man. muhammad ali laid to rest this afternoon. we'll talk about that special service when we come back. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the number #1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions,
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muhammad ali passed away. today the world is still mourning. honoring legendary boxer, muhammad ali in the city of his childhood. go back, a long time now, back to 1980 in marble head, massachusetts, i believe, where you spent some time in the presence of ali. take us back to that and tell us about that moment. you wrote about it. that's why i know this happened. >> it was 36 years ago this past wednesday. he was in massachusetts. he was going to address the class day on the fifth reunion for the class of 1975. it was june of 1980. they're fifth reunion. >> at harvard? >> yes. >> he was staying at a friend's home in marble head,
massachusetts. i spent the day with him. the most insightful part of the day was just he and i having breakfast in this man's home and he spoke eloquently about his lack of fear that he didn't fear anything happening to him because he had fought the government. he had changed his name. he had given up his title. he had given up his olympic medal for his belief and commitment. he talked about, i asked him about one point do you worry about brain damage. you get hit so hard, i was referring to the thriller in manila fight. he said who knows. he says if it happens, it happens. he was an enormously, throughout his life, enormous lly charismac figure. you were kind of awe. >> one of the extraordinary things about ali is this. you've met presidents and heads
of state and fortune 500 ceos, and you like every other journalist who spent time with ali and most other sports figures who spent time with him, everybody speaks of him in the same way. the biggest egos in the world, i include you here. it was like being in his presence was some kind of magical experience just because of the totally self-created man and his energy, his wit and the charisma that you talked about. there's no one that does not have that. not just because of his death. in realtime, nothing like him and no one like him. >> this was 1980. he was arguably the most famous person in the world. he was obviously an iconic figure of the 20th and 21st century. he was involved in two of the
greatest sporti ining events to occur. both men in the ring almost died. that fight was held at 10:00 in the morning for american television purposes. the temperature in the ring was 120 degrees. after fight, ali said, he was so smart, he said we went to manila as champions and we came home as old men. >> if you go back and watch them now, it's something. it's amazing the degree to boxing, although it still exists, it used to be the most important sports event. every celebrity, the greatest writers, everybody flocked to the ring to see the great heavy weights. it's nothing like the kind of attraction. i think partly because of ali. somehow that he, the beatings he took is part of why he ended up
with parkinsons. i think it's part of why boxing lost favor. they see him as a vivid illustration of just how savage the sport is. i think the country turned against the sport for that reason. >> i absolutely agree with you. you wonder if pro-football will be next. he gives us allowance to look at this. so many people missed the important of his social couldture statements. some of the greatest newspaper writers missed it. he was right. >> it's interesting the day after he passed away, in the nba finals, people talked to lebron james in san francisco at the oracle arena and james pointed out he felt like ali freed him to take some of the stances that
james has taken. ali was as important at an athlete, more important in some ways for things he did outside of the ring than he did in. from the most he decided to resist the draft, he not only become an important incredibly important figure in black culture but he freed athletes to become engaged in politics in a way they never had before. you had things from the '68 olympics with carlos, with black power salute. on every dimension of sport, suddenly sports figures were like i can be involved in broader social issues that rack the country. >> you have to ask yourself this question that it took great courage to get in range and fight for your life as muhammad ali did. today, you look at athletes and revere many athlete, which among them would have the courage to stand up for themselves and his
belief. >> i stand by my assertion he was a signal phenomenon in term of the political plitization of sports. sometimes for good and sometimes for real. it's the case he freed a lot of athletes to get involved. none of them assuming the kind of courage. the kind of price that he paid having taken himself out of millions of dollars and out of the prime of his career just because he was not going to go and fight. coming up, we turn again to presidential politics and donald trump's latest controversy. we'll be right back with all of that. don't let dust and allergies get between you
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and vendors who sued trump for not getting full payment for their services. defending his business dealings, trump said, quote, i love to hold back and negotiate when people don't do good work. end quote. he said let's say they do a good job. they do a job that's not good or a job they didn't finish or way, way late. i'll deduct from their contract, that's what the country should be doing. to unpack these two stories are two of the reporters behind them. thanks for being here. let me start with you. give us, both these stories have gotten a lot of attention today. give me first an overview of the most important things that you found in reporting this piece. >> yeah, we found is there were a number of people who had been doing work donald trump or his
companies. things like drapery, making curtains or selli inin inin ini and they had a hard time getting paid. we also found there were people from trump organization who worked for donald trump over the years who said this was really a philosophy of the company. now i days the company says that's not true. if you can pay 75% of what you owe, pay 75%. that's what we heard. >> nick, let me ask you the same question. both these stories are consistent and overhapplapping. hundreds of instances of the kind of thing that's being talked about. give us a sense of what you found in your investigation. >> really broke down into contractors and vendor who is
had to sue. those are the civil litigation you can find across the country and then these labor cases. they go to the labor department. workers and bartenders and servers who don't get paid for overtime or what their owes. >> did you find that small vendors, if they're payment is delayed beyond 30 days or 60 days that they find themselves in real economic trouble as a small business and trump is causing this trouble? >> i did find that with some people. 60, 70 days. trump said is that a lot of time? these people said they had trouble. they had to pay their vendors
and employees. >> i get a sense from some of the people you're talking to, they probably all realize to their shock and amazement that it's much easier for donald trump to owe a bank $100 million than for them to owe another one of their sub vendors $750 and not being able to pay it. that puts them in real trouble. >> right. we also saw this huge variety in final bills that were 30,000 or less than that and these huge contracts in the millions and the trump organization would treat them the same way where they would try to negotiate or the final payment they would say we paid enough already and we're not going to give you this last installment but we'll still let you work for us in the future to
the shock of these small vendors who said i'll not work with them again. >> there's a lot of people who play a lot of hardball. what do you say to the push back. it's tough, sometimes rough but it's par for course. >> ultimately that's up for readers and voters to judge. the thing we thought about is we don't have a business record for hillary clinton to judge, but we do have a business record for donald trump and vice versa for hillary not owning a business. we have to judge what we have. anything less than a stellar record we think is fair game to scrutinize and pick apart.
was that the extent of their response. there's a lot of allegations in your piece. is it a turse response or was there pushback? >> it was pushback on the premise of the story. the idea these are you're picking out a few cases. we have lots of people that we work with who want to be our vendors and had good experiences. we spoke with many of them and we included some of that in the story. >> all right. thank you for your work and for being on the show. up next, espn new epic
documentary series about o.j. simpson has a lot of people talking. i'll show you my interview with the director of that series in a moment. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., keep in mind you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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five-part doc series that dives deep into the life and career of football hall of famer o.j. simpson as well as the landmark murder trial. the first episode airs saturday. that's tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern on abc with subsequent episodes running on espn all next week. i got with the director of that series and asked what it was like to make a film this political for the total sports network. >> espn came to you and said make a long form doc and we want toyota be on o.j. simpson. you were not thrilled initially. what turned you around? >> the idea they came to me with this larger canvas of we want to do five hours. as soon as i thought about five hours part is what i was reluctant to do is a story about his guilt or innocence or regurgitation of the trial.
as soon as it happened, i realize i had a bigger canvas to work with, i said i can tell a story about l.a., about race in america and race in los angeles and who o.j. wads from a racial and identity standpoint. the story about a lapd. a story that i am interested in and i feel like have been overlooked in explaining the vents of '94 and '95. >> race was going to be huge because of the nature the trial unfolded. what were the other threads that you didn't think would be big parts of it that became big parts and ended up engrossing you and becoming big parts of the work. >> you're right. race was the predominant theme but i'd say the sub theme was celebrity. i was impossible to reduce this to this is a story about one thing. whether it's race, celebrity, gender, masculinity, criminal justice system policing, there's such an interconnectedness to
all of these things that it's impossible to leave them off the table. >> the specificity, lack of experience in los angeles, the history of policing in l.a., why is that so important to understand as opposed to the broader racial canvas of america in early to mid-1990s. >> the entire trial was framed, no pun intended, whether this black icon was sort of treated unfairly by the police whether he was framed. the entire defense was about look at who the lapd has been in our city for the past 50 years. look at what they do to black people. when you start to see who o.j. is and the choices he made, the advantages he had as an athlete, there was this inherent irony to that defense being connected to
this man. then when you think of the fact we grew up at a time that the way the trial is discussed is this is just pay back for rodney king. it was like well, yes, rodney king was beaten in 1991, the riots happened in '92, there was this history with the incidents that went back 30 and 40 years were these hallmark incidents that people in los angeles would bring up to me that i realized it was a deeper reservoir of frustration and tension that was drawn upon. >> incredible footage of al collins at nicole brown simpson's memorial service
giving tearful farewell to other. coming back to his house and watching the coverage on televisi television. how did you pull that off? >> we got very fortunate in terms of having access to term that someone archived. someone was there and shot in the house. i don't know the anyone had seen it. i'd never seen it. >> and the wedding footage too. there was a huge debate in the country about guilt or innocence and obviously the most striking fact about it is the vast majority of african-americans thought he was incident and the vast majority of white americans thought he was guilty. >> i think you'd find the percentage of black american who is think he is innocent is much smaller in 1995. >> they are ready to accept the
notion he was framed and was guilty? >> i think it's the result of civil trial where he was found responsible for the death of them and evidence came out like the shoes he was wearing. he was wearing the shoes that encased this that bloody footprint. secondly, when you look at what happened to him in this 20-year period and where he ended up. it sort of spoke to there's a level to which none of us can understand aftergoing through that period, what it does to a person. whether he did it or didn't do it, how crazy that makes you. let's say he didn't go the straight and narrow path. that might have led some people to be less forgiving when they see where he ended up. >> something i admire and people try to say all of these perspectives have a certain validity. >> there's case to be made he was almost certainly guilty and
the verdict was justice in a certain larger sense. >> i don't know if i would say the verdict was justice but i would argue maybe the verdict was just. >> right. >> in the frame work of what happened in terms of what the prosecution did or didn't do with having a police detective at the center of an investigation, with having an incident in court where literally, the bloody glove of the murder did not fit the apparent murder. there was enough instances of reasonable doubt that i understand why a juror would have voted the way they voted to acquit him. regardless of the actual evidence including the dna evidence linking o.j. to that crime, yes, there's a universe where you can look at the film and say i believe he's guilty. >> there's this larger thing going on in terms of a kind of justice. there was way the verdict was striking a blow for racial justice in the city given the long history. you can see why people believe
that and understand where they are coming from. >> i want people to understand that. i don't want people to watch and be like i wanted that too. there's a level of empathy as people arrive at having watched this whether you're a white person who never thought about incidents of race or wondering why were these people celebrating and now you watch this and connect it with these series of injustices over the course of four decades and you go, i get that. i understand. >> you looked at, i imagine, hundreds of hours of footage. thought about this for a couple of years of your life. now you'll be talking about o.j. simpson for the next, who knows how long, depending on how long this venture is. what's the take away from you? what did you learn? what does o.j. simpson mean? >> i was taken by o.j. as a kid growing up as an athlete and
celebrity. it's hard when you spend this much time examinie inine ining d the things he's even on record having done and not coming away with sort of a general feeling of disgust. that made it very difficult. by the way, i also had a real desire to be fair to him in this story as well. it's hard to ignore all the things that took place. >> it's interesting in the context of our earlier conversation, muhammad ali, one of the most famous people on the planet and black is beautiful, black pride, o.j. simpson is also one of the most famous athlete who is tried to make himself into raceless figure and yet race was the dominant motif of the trial. >> race is still the dominant factor in the life of american politics and american cull chtu.
wrooer never going to have an honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it.wrooer never going to h honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it.ewrooer never going to honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it.'wrooer never going to n honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it.rwrooer never going to an honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it.ewrooer never going to an honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it. never going to have an honest conversation. >> we're never going to move past it. >> that film could well an os r oscar. >> it's seven and a half hours long. there's not a moment where you'll think i'm bored. watch it. our thanks to the man who made it. espn o.j., made in america, premiers tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. eastern. when we come back, more of what mitch mcconnell said about donald trump, right after this. >>
i want do say one thing. >> we turned over everything. >> i want you to listen to me. >> i did not --
>> i did not. >> i did not spend classified material. >> not a single time. >> and i did not receive. >> never. >> any material that was marked or designated classified. >> i never told anybody to lie. >> that's all i can say. >> these allegations are false. >> i don't know how it works digitally at all. i am a lot of things.
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the choice for many american s not happy choice, but this is a choice. do we want four more years like the last eight or do we want to go in a different direction? for all of his obvious shortcomings, donald trump is a different direction. i'm comfortable supporting him. i think he'd have a much better chance of winning if he would quit making so many unfortunate public utterances. >> is there a line he could cross that make you say you're not supporting him? >> i'm not going to say what i will or will not do. i hope he will change directions. i hope that's what we're going to see. >> that was another snippet of mitch mcconnell. >> thank you.
>> that's pretty tough stuff throughout this whole interview about trump. are you surprised the degree to which mcconnell kind of emerged as the voice of principle in this debate. >> the way i've been thinking of it is he's like the high school principal. he has a senior class president that is -- has the support of all the seniors and he's a bit nervous and the teacher is nervous. what does he do? he's just sending the clear message because it's important to him, i think ultimately, this is a person who is a master of the senate. he writes how his ambition was to be a senate majority leader. keeping the senate is very important to him. he became majority leader. he does not want to not be the majority leader. it's important to him that the nominee stick to the script, stop the unfortunate public
utte utt utterances and prevail. >> he's a very cautious guy but what he says is so unmitch mcconnell because there's an element of risk. it's not a whole lot of knowledge about issues. that's surprising to me, to my ear. >> i think his number one priority is the future of the republican party. i did ask him that question if he could choose, if he had to choose between winning the white house or the future of the republican party, what would do you. he kind of caved out and said we can go both. at the end of the day, i think he would not hesitate to throw donald trump overboard to keep the senate. >> you've been around washington for a long time and encountered people like this. what's your gut saying. he left open the question of
whether he might unendorse donald trump? do you think that's something he would do? >> i think so. i think so. i think it was important for him to issue that warning. this is not a washington gaffe where you tell the truth accidentally. this was something deliberate in a message he wanted to send. >> thank you. everybody in the entire world should listen to the masters of politics pod cast. we'll be right back with who won the week. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning.
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i agree. i think the president of the united states won the week. he managed to get all his cards on the table. bernie sanders out of race. hillary clinton endorsed her. i think he's the winner. >> hardball with chris matthews is next. the democrats come out swinging for clinton but where are trump's allies? let's play "hardball." good evening. hillary clinton called it a big week for her campaign today. she picked up the endorsement of president obama, vice president joe biden and senator elizabeth warren. clinton met with warren in her washington, d.c. home. a source familiarai