tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC June 13, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
terror attack as there are unexplained details reported particularly today and tonight. and we will have some kind of news on how the democratic presidential race ends in 2016. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. this feels sadly familiar, doesn't it? another mass murder, another terrorist opening fire at people who thought they were in a safe place. the story of each of the 49 people murdered in orlando is a uniquely powerful tragedy that will change the lives of all who knew them but too many elements are too familiar. we're here again and we'll be here again as long as the politicians who protect guns more than people offer us nothing more than their thoughts
and prayers. >> we have to do some soul searching. >> on sunday americans woke up to a nightmare that's become mind numbingly familiar. >> in this country it is so easy for terrorists to buy guns. >> to get very powerful weapons very quickly and that's a problem. >> the orlando terrorist may be dead but the virus that poisoned his mind remains very much alive. >> perversion in islam that you see generated on the internet seep into the minds of troubled individuals. >> we are looking for needles in a nation wide hey stack. >> we need to tell the truth also about how radical islam is coming to our shores. >> inflammatory, antimuslim rhetoric plays right into the terrorists' hands.
>> 70th annual tony award dedicated those effected by the tragedy in orlando. >> hope and love lasts longer and love is love is love is love is love is love cannot be killed or swept aside. well, here we are again. the last time we did this, we all knew it would not be the last time. in a country that makes it easy for anyone, including terrorists to buy a mass murder machine like an ar-15 assault rifles. a weapon that generals in the united states army believe civilians should not have, we knew we should be here again and so here we are mourning a loss of what is a record number of people killed by one person with an assault person.
a record that won't last. the shooter killed 49 people before the police killed him. when a teenager gets killed late on a saturday night in america it usually involves cars going too fast, maybe too much alcohol. but that's not how murray was killed saturday night. she was 18 years old. nothing risky. she's dead now because she went to a place where she felt safe on a saturday night, a night club in orlando. that's why mercedes is dead. paul henry was 41. brenda lee marquez mccool was 49 years old. the names of all of the victims have now been made public. those are the names we should remember, not the shooter's
enrique jr., shane tomlinson was 33 years old. kevin crosby was 25 years old. we should be thinking of them. that's what politicians say they're doing, thinking of the victims. they always offer their thoughts and prayers to the victims of our mass murders. thoughts and prayers. that's all we get from the politicians who choose to protect guns more than citizens. they could make it harder for mass murderers to get assault weapons but they don't. they just think and pray. they could make it harder for terrorists to get assault weapons but they don't. they just think and pray. they could ban the manufacture of assault weapons but they don't. they just think and pray. what are they praying for? are they praying that no crazy person will buy an assault weapon again? are they praying that no
terrorist will buy another assault weapon? are they praying their children or grandchildren won't be dancing in a gay bar when the next terrorist arrives with an ar-15? what are they praying for? what they should be praying for is the strength to do their jobs to protect the american people. if they want to make america great again, why don't they pray for the strength to vote on an assault weapons ban like the one we used to have. pray for the strength to make it impossible for a terrorist to walk in to a florida gun store and buy a shiny new assault weapon to go kill 49 people. go pray for that. if they had the strength to do their jobs instead of think and pray. darryl burt was 29 years old. martin torres might be alive today.
he was 33. donald trump asked for a moment of silence today but unfortunately it was only a moment. >> i would like the ask now that we all observe a moment of silence for the victims of this attack. thank you. >> thoughts, prayers, violence, and lies. we got all that today from the politicians who choose to protect guns more than people. from the politicians who are trying to do something, like president obama and hillary clinton, we got that familiar mix of sadness, frustration, and determination. they aren't going to give up trying to push this issue but
you could see in their eyes that they know we'll be here again. they know they will struggle as we all do to say something new about our next mass murder. but they know only the names will be new, only the personal tragedies for those families will be new. it will be some variation on the crazy man in the movie theater or the racist in the church or the terrorist in the gay bar. some variation on what we've already seen. they know and we know it will continue to happen as long as most politicians offer nothing more than thoughts and prayers. joining us now from orlando regional medical center is nbc's jacob. what's the situation now? >> reporter: lawrence, it was an enlightening conversation with the doctors, partly because they
put it all in perspective as the only level one trauma region. they will get as many victims as they want during this mass shooting. of course they said this was something they never experienced. they trained for something like this. every monday they have a sort of trauma simulation and then every two times a year they have a mass casualty situation and they've been training for this kind of thing and the surgeons that were here during the time of the response to what happened, they've all been here for many years, they've been here for 20 years or longer. he very soon realized he needed back up and called for that. after 30 minutes they have all six of them. they helped them to respond and
they had to make life and death decisions of course. we know that 44 people in total arrived from the night club just a few blocks away. but eight of them the doctors told me were already dead right when they were admitted and so they didn't try to operate on eight of them. another person they tried to bring to the operating table but he died. there were nine people within minutes already dead. so they were left with 35 people and within that, they did 34 operations. in fact, while we were speaking to them, one of their beepers went off alerting them that it's somebody else unrelated to them at the night club, another victim, another day at the trauma center. they reiterated to us every day, they said we deal with this every single day, five to six
victims or four to five victims, sometimes stabbing but usually gun shot victims. they said their training kicked in. they weren't tinking too deeply about all of it until later. they're proud and they're amazed at how well they were able to help. >> it's always amazing how they swing into action and they manage their emotions while they're doing that work but at some point it has to catch up with them. thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> joining us now, carlos rosario, he knew some of the victims. i appreciate you giving us your time. could you tell us where you were when the gun fire started. >> yeah, first of all thanks for having me.
i was inside the main dance floor. i was currently waiting to order my drink but it was taking too long. so i opted to go to outside bar by the patio, which is in front of orange avenue. to get my last drink and as i was walking over, i leaned over the counter and tell the bartender what i would like to order and that's when it all started, the shots never ended. >> and how did you survive it? >> i think the way i survived it, i ran honestly. i ran as fast as i could out of the place. but as i was running, i saw people falling next to me left and right with moons or falling because they were running properly. they had nothing on me.
so, i want at least a couple so -- when you were introducing the segment, you were going over some names and those names that you went over are the people that i know that were dear to my heart. sorry. it was just really hard to know that. you saw them and you're not going to see them again. >> carlos tell us what you remember about the friends that you lost on saturday night. >> it was just like every other saturday night. you go and meet your friends and you start chatting about the week and how work was going and just there to have a good time and i was surrounded by one of
the victims. her name was -- i am coming up blank. but she's like the mom of pulse. she's the mother of a son named isaiah. she has a husband but she supported us and she was there with us the whole time and with her just being there to support us, she lost her life. that same night. >> carlos, i think that's brenda mccool that you're talking about. she was 49 years old. she used to go there with her son. tell us more about her, if you can. i would like to know more about her if you could help us with that. >> yeah. to be very honest, i've never met her before until that night but it was such a long time that
we were spending together. we talked about our day and what our goals were in our lives and she was just is such a supportive person. once you talked to her and she smiled, she was able to brighten your day. she was very urban and up to date with everything. to be able to have a conversation and make everybody's day and the last conversation i had i was talking about -- i liked her bag and she started smiling and told me i like your smile. and that was the last thing that she said to me. >> carlos rozario, thank you very much for bringing those memories to us. i really, really appreciate it. we're joined now by tamera, she was at the night club during the attack. where were you when the shooting started? >> i actually left about
anywhere from one to -- five to ten minutes before the shooting. i was parting with friends before it happened. and i brought a few friends with me to eat that night. >> and did you have friends who did not survive the attack? >> yes i -- yeah. >> could you tell us about them. >> i had a friend, her name was zeus, also known as -- oh, my god. anyway, she was just a really, really good friend of mine, a good friend of everybody at pulse. everywhere you go, she was there. she gave so much love to everybody. she was somebody you can count on, somebody who's stand up for you. she was an amazing person. >> i've been saying that pulse was a place where people felt safe. is that a good description?
>> pulse is a place where everybody, no matter what your gender is, if you were gay or straight or male, female, it didn't matter, pulse welcomed everybody with open arms. it's a place where everybody can come. it's not -- it wasn't just a gay club. it was a place that was just amazing. it was an amazing atmosphere. i've been going there about three years and never had a problem there. everybody welcomed me. i'm straight female and it's really sad right now. >> i want to try to have people remember who we lost there as human beings and anything else you might want to tell us about any of the people you knew in there who did not make it out. >> stanley, he was a friend of mine. he was a friend of all my
friends. he passed away about 1:35 that night. i was going to leave walking out the door, as soon as i waent to walk out, he grabbed me and my best friend and asked if we wanted shots. we drank the shots and i told him i'll see him next week and he said good bye, beautiful and that was the last i heard from him. >> i wish you could see stanley next week. thank you very much for sharing these thoughts with us. i really, really appreciate you joining us. i know how difficult it is. coming up, president obama said something a couple weeks ago about how exactly this sort of thing could happen. that's whiching up. (man) oh, looks like we missed
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cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun. and here's hillary clinton. >> we have to make it harder for people to get guns. and it will save some and will save lives and will protect our first responders. >> and when it was donald trump's turn to speak, of course he lied. >> her plan is to disarm law abiding americans. abolishing the second amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. she wants to take away americans' guns and then admit the very people who want to slaughter us. >> every word of what you just
heard was a lie. donald trump tried to pretend that the killer in orlando was a terrorist who was allowed to inter this country by barack obama and hillary clinton. >> the bottom line is the only reason the killer was in america in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here. that is a fact and a fact we need to talk about. >> here's the fact that donald trump left out. didn't want to talk about. the killer was born in new york city, just like donald trump was. the killer's parents came during ronald regan's presidency, more than 15 years before 9/11. so, donald trump was basically saying today that ronald regan should have known that that immigrant couple was going to give birth in new york city to a terrorist who 30 years later would kill 49 people in florida.
joining us now is contributing editor in the atlantic and counsel on foreign relations. a lot of talk about how to stop this. what do you see in any of the talk that can actually be used to stop what we saw in orlando? someone who was born in the united states, apparently got radicalized over the last couple of years or whatever period going into that bar and killing 49 people. >> there's bad news that very little could have stopped them. so far we haven't found that much of a paper trail of social media postings. or of specific contact that we were aware of. of course we knew, apparently the fbi was aware that he was a possible problem case but there was nothing that could have stopped him other than just making sure that his attack wasn't as devastating as it was by making sure he didn't have an ar-15, for example.
the only thing that can really stop these things from happening is having people who know the person turn them in, which is exactly what will not happen if muslim communities listen to donald trump and believe that yes, they're not going to be accepted by the rest of the country and they will have to look out not only for themselves. >> let's listen to how donald trump talked about exactly that tonight with bill o'reilly on fox news. let's listen to this. >> you're going to find out with this savage that did this horrible thing over the weekend that many people said oh, i knew it was going to happen. the muslims are the ones that see what's going on. the muslims are the ones that have to report them and if they don't, there have to be consequences to them. >> what's your reaction to that?
>> you often find someone who ends up in this crazy kuld desack of radical islam that they've tried to reform people who really know perfectly well what they want out of their religion. the way that donald trump is speaking about this, he's right in saying that muslim community can be very helpful in finding these people. what he seems not to take into account is that if they're spoken to in these threatening tones and treated as if they're second class citizens or not citizens at all, then they're much less likely to give that hand. they do not want their community besmfrped and they don't want their young men to be radicalized and killed. we ought to be working together
and trump does not help that. >> hillary clinton made that point today that we have to continue the kind of cooperation that will through positive encouragement get this kind of information if it's available about someone drifting off into this loan wolf territory. >> that's exactly right. there are a lot of people who are creeps. there are a lot of armed creeps in this country as well. we're not going to find them all. we do need have as many antenna raised trying to stop them as we can. unfortunately it's not going to find them all because isis's strategy is to get anyone sympathetic to it to attack using the tools at their disposal. they've famously said if you have a rock, a car, kill the infidel. and if there's an ar-15
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>> the lgbt people have shown donald trump began the day today by saying what we knew he would say that of course the massacre in orlando is president obama's fault. we all knew that was coming. donald trump was going to find some way to blame the president but he didn't just blame his policies. he said the president actually is cheering for the other side. he said the president has something else in mind when it comes to fighting terrorism, meaning the president doesn't really want to fight it because he has something else in mind. the suggestion that the president was really working for the other side was delivered in trump's classic imitation of joe mccarthy, innuendo on top of inue endo. >> he doesn't get it or he does better than anybody else and either way is unacceptable. not tough, not smart or he has something else in mind and
people can't believe it. they cannot believe that president obama is acting and he can't even mention the words radical islamic terrorism. it's inconceivable. >> and he ended the way the way he began it, this time with bill o'reilly. >> nobody knows why he doesn't have more anger. why doesn't he have more competitive zeal to knock them out, bill. i mean, look at what's going on, look at what's happening. >> joining us now, david corn, and msnbc political analyst, senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center and a former advise shall of president regan and george h.w. bush. we knew it was going to be president obama 's fault. the details were interestingly crafted.
>> well, we don't have details p we have innuendo. that there's something phoney and furtive and secretive and creepy about president obama. he'ser really a secret muslim, secret socialist. he doesn't like america and trump doesn't say these things explicitly. but it's clear that the implication is that he wants the terrorism to succeed or happen. that he's not interested in stopping it and he has a secret agenda. knock, knock, wink, wink, it's alex jones stuff. and it feeds the base and paranoia that brought trump to where he is and the fact that other republicans don't come out. i mean peter will but other republicans don't come out and call him out on this in this moment of national tragedy is equally sad. >> does it work, peter?
does it work with republican voters? and does it pick up anyone that he doesn't already have? >> i can't believe it picks up on. i think it's all that donald trump knows. this is the way the man is. he pulls these pinz on these grenades and he rolls them and it explodes and he goes, geez, what happened? i think he has a personality disorder. i don't think he can control himself. i think even if it's not in his interest, he would do it anyway. and he cannot discuss public policy. everything he's done from the day he's gone in is to set up these debates that there on the ground of appealing to the darkest impulses of the country. that is what he relishes and he wants to be in the gutter.
the trouble is he's bringing a lot of people down there with him. >> and donald trump spent the day locked in the semantics of what do you call this? hillary clinton on the "today" show said you could call it radical jihadism, it doesn't matter what you call it. that was not good enough for bill o'reilly and donald trump. let's listen. >> she is radical islamicism. she didn't use radical islamic terrorism and she didn't say it. she said she would use it and the only reason she did that is because i've been going after her. >> there's a hair that got split somehow. >> i think the appropriate response is ahoy. donald trump doesn't engage in policy discussions. he doesn't speak english.
he speaks hyperbole. and so you can have a discussion about whether using that terminology makes sense. this network and every other network have had a string of experts who say it's not in our interest because we need to have islamic countries on our side. you may disagree with that but it's a serious discussion to have. when he gets up there and said nobody thinks we shouldn't call it that. he's wrong and it shows his complete inability to have a conversation anywhere above the level of second, third, grade, fourth grade. i don't know what it is. and bill o'reilly is out there, the great enabler on this point as well. >> really troubling. polling from august 2015, president obama's religion among republican primary voters. 54% say muslim, 14% say
christian and peter, it didn't matter how many times president obama appeared in christian churches, how many times he preached in christian churches, 54% say muslim. >> that's a damming number. he's not a muslim. he's christian. and he's american. he wasn't born in kenya. i've been a republican my entire life but there is a virus in this party and it's embodied in donald trump. and if this party wants to survive, let alone florrish, it's going to have to contain and eliminate this virus. i think it's fair to say this has been building for a while in the republican party. and with donald trump that movement has found its spokesman and a lot of republicans who don't like him, who are repelled by him but the reality is it's a republican party, even honorable people are lining up behind him and that's a problem. >> we're going to have to leave
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>> joining us now, cofounder of a counter extremism think tank and a former member of a islamic extremism group. we haven't heard much that the saudis need to stop supporting setting too many young people on the path to extremism. >> first of all, i welcome her remarks. i wish hillary clinton and generally liberals had spoken with authority on these issues before hand so we don't see people such as trump to come to dominate this discourse. liberals and sekulialer people generally need own this conversation because there is room for this conversation within islam and muslim communities.
we need to start reforming some of the traditional interpretations th exist i the approach towards sexuality. >> what do you make of that part of this story? >> well, it's no surprise to me because i've grown up in this tradition. we have in the quran, chapter 26, verse 165, to paraphrase, do you prefer men from all the creation over the wives your lord has created for you? we have chapter 27, verse 55 that talks about the paraphrasing do you lust for men over women? you are a people that act ignorantly and one says kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done to and another saying of the prophet muhammad throw gays off the tallest
building, which is something we know of. so, these exist in our tradition. and i call for a reform of religious interpretation. away from the medieval standards and readings. we know from the surveys and opinion polls that 33 out of the 36 muslim majority countries that were polled found that over 3/4s or more of the muslims polls said home sexuality was immoral. in britain, they found those surveyed said over 50% said being gay should be made illegal. it is a challenge we have ahead of us. the problem is not only with muslims in islam, it exists in many relidges throughout rightry. we have to speak up as secular muslims to initiate that purpose of reform, interpretation, call
it what we like but this enlightenment has to come from our communities and we have to speak more openly about it. >> and before we go, do you think it took both pieces of this to create this ignition, this extremism that this shooter got involved in and also this very intense antigay hatred? was that, do you think, a necessary component for what we saw happen? >> in this instance, he's clearly a home foeb and a self starter that sympathizes with jihadist terrorists. i think it's interesting they've crossed in this way because it's an issue that liberals have been at the forefront. it puts us in a position where we have reconcile desires to make sure we're not stigmatizing minority communities, muslims, while protecting the rights of
other minority communities and in this case, the gay community and the only way is to advocate reform through the muslim discourse. >> thank you for joining us from london tonight. really appreciate it. thank you. >> a pleasure. up next, a last word from the nephew of the assassinated gay rights leader harvey milk. stewart milk will join us.
and let's all today pledge an allegiance of love to them and to their families who are suffering so deeply. they are sons and daughters. their fathers and mothers. they are all our brothers and our sisters. but tonight i will not allow my anger and outrage over this attack to over shadow our need to honor those who are grieving, truly, for their lost ones. lost members of the lgbt community. i hope you know that myself and
so many are your allies. [ applause ] >> we are joined now by stewart milk. president of the harvey milk foundation. stewart, i just wanted to get your reaction. we just heard lady gaga in los angeles talking to the crowd there and i wanted to get your reaction to the last couple of days. >> it has been a devastating 30 hours. it seems like it's been a week and we are heart broken, we are grieving because we have much to greave about. we are frightened because we have had at the very heart of the lgbt community a knife that took 49 amazing precious lives stolen from us. we are reacting in one of the most eloquent and beautiful
responses around the world which is standing in solidarity and we are saying to the world that these lives were stolen from us but we will not forget them; that we're not going to go back in the closet. my uncle comes to mind with those words of not letting bullets put masks on any of us. i -- listening to your program, lawrence, tonight, i have to say we have members of the political spectrum speaking out in support of the lgbt community and our loss. and that is a step forward that we have people from the right doing that. but let me be very clear, we are not a community that in our darkest and -- in our darkest hours and we are grieving that
we can be used for political expediancy. we will not allow this dark hour for someone to throw us a bone by saying lgbt people are human and like a bully on a play ground and saying i'll protect you if you attack another community. we're not going to allow that to happen. and i will tell you that's dangerous because there are people saying look who's speaking up for us but they're speaking up for us and putting a cone around them that says i'll speak up for you, join me in attacking another minority community. we cannot allow this tragedy to be made into an attack on another culture, on another community of people who the majority of them are peaceful and loving. >> stewart, when i look at the list of people who were killed, its mostly young people at the dawn of their adulthoods.
you see youngest is 18, men ea in their early 20s. low 30s. what would you say to young people in america now who are maybe afraid of going to places where maybe i'm told this weekend they felt safe? >> well, i'm going to say that a lot of people my age, we were afraid. we weren't afraid of mass killings because we didn't have these type of assault weapons that are so proliferating here in the u.s. but we used to have some fear going in and it was so great to see those fears come down and when i was younger, we would go into gay bars that didn't have windows, that had back alleyway entrances. we're not going to go back and allow youths to go back. these particular places are safe spaces even today. they have a history of being safe places for the community.
the lgbt community, not just in the u.s. but around the world and what i would say to the young people is that we, meaning the global lgbt community are going to keep you held in hope. we're going to keep you held in who you are and say do not hide who you are if you have a saturday night, do not allow those who hate and those who diminish stop you from living your life. you have a world there supporting you. >> stewart, the -- we're going to see more vigils like this that we're seeing in los angeles and what will be your last words that you'd like people to be thinking about on a night like tonight? >> i think we have to redouble our efforts. we must do better. we must do more work on cultural competency. there's friends of mine from london from an organization
called 172430. this amazing vigil where they sang as you said the bridge over troubled water. >> and don't use this as an excuse to move people to diminish and marginalize other communities. >> stuart milk who lost his uncle to gunfire knows what this grief feels like. thank you very much for joining us tonight stuart. >> thank you lawrence. worst ever, and this is "hardball."