tv Morning Joe MSNBC June 14, 2016 3:00am-6:01am PDT
good morning. a country and city and world recovering and welcome to "morning joe." we're going to be talking about that and a awful lot of politics to cover. it appears that donald trump has banned the washington post from from covering the campaign. the bible has banned and then allowing math to be taught there and major league base bought not using bats. it's a good thang he has grown.
yesterday, people thinking that obama was in there. it reminded me when a will the of scum bags said that george bush had nothing do with 9/11. that was ton internet. to have the stan daubd barrier the republican party candidate saying that barack obama may have been in the skilling of americans is -- >> yeah, who he said yesterday on tv earlier in the morning is intakely a disequal er of the president of the yiechlts he
accused president obama in an act. people cannot believe that president bam is abouting the way that he acts. there's something going on. there's something going on. >> right. >> and -- >> that's a disqualifier. >> then he goes on another show and says he does not know what he is doing or he may know exactly. then when asked, her does what he does. >> there are a lot of politics to cover and mike would you say and former communication
director george w. bush and richard joining us this morning and at last check 49 of the patients rush in the wake of the attacks and reinane there this morning. the hospital says that all current patients appear to be improving. the white house says that president t obama will travel to orlando on thursday to meet with the victims families and stand in solidarity with the community. let's bring in nbc chris and live in orlando. multiple reports that the shooter went to the night club often before the attacks. >> reporter: yeah, we're learning more about this and right now the fbi is looking into if he had visited the pulse night club many times. four people that they talked to
went to the club and said that they have seen them there. sometimes he gould in the corner and sit and drink by himself. other times he was loud. another man that goes to the club say that is he recognized him from other places as well. >> i recognize him, and i blocked him immediately. >> from a gay date. >> yeah you i recognized him off grinder. >> one of the questions that's been out there is why wasn't he under some sort of surveillance?
mantee was investigated after telling family workers that he had family withqaeda. that did not produce enough evidence to arrest him. >> he admitted what the coworkers reported, but he did it in anger because he thought that the wo ork ers were teasing him. our work is very challenging. we're look for needles in a nationwided hay stack and also called upon can which pieces of hay maybe needles. that's hard work. if we can find a way do that better, we will.
this was inspiring and 7,500 people came out on a steamy night here in orlando and say that there's still a lot of fear, but they had to be here. it's a little chilling for some of the folks that this guy was in the presence at the night club down the street and gone there before. >> nbc, thank you. we will be checking back with you you tloutd the morning. don o don is dabbling in theories gain and suggesting that president obama has hidden motives for the balt of terrorism in multiple interviews yesterday. listen. >> he does not get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. we're led by a man that's not
tough, not smart or he has something else in mind. people cannot believe it. people cannot believe that president obama is acting the way that he acts and can't even mention the words radical islamic terrorism. there's something going on. there's something going on. whether there are a lot of people they he does not want to get it or know about it. i happen to think that he does not know what he is doing. >> what did you mean by that? >> i will let people figure that out themselves. there's not a lot of anger or passion when he demand for' r--
there's not a will the of passion. we will let people figure it out. >> he said -- donald trump said that the president of the united states and he know what is me is doing. there's something else in his mind going on. there's something going on. there's something going on. maybe he knows exactly what he is doing and when pressed on these theories, and when pressed after the washington post and others said that he is suthding that president bam is come poli -- in the killings, he can figure it out. >> blooif that there's a swift reaction a, right? what would that reaction be? >> well, i would never have endorsed him in the first place. i said that. >> if you did, you probably
would have revoked it now. >> with the indiana judge and the race for the indiana judge. this guy is bad news my fellow republicans and washington. it only gets worse. i tried to help you last week and this week. save our party. speak truth to the power. why aren't republicans will be to stand up and be counted? this is a time of crisis not only for you and the conservative moment but the country. stand and be counted. this is getting worse by the day. our republican party now lead by a man who implied all day yesterday that obama was come police sit and he knows what he
is doing. i will let people figure out for themselves what he is doing. what do you do? >> scott brown that was in attendance in the speech. listen, a lot of people feel in line after the stunning achievement of sweeping the republican primary, and then they all have to answer and not just to the party but to their wives and children. i mean this is a. >> out how does this make you feel as a republican? >> listen, i have been in the ten step program since december. >> this is not about donald trump now. this is about paul ryan. this is about mitch mcconal, congresswoman and senators. >> it makes approximate me proud
that the governor that i work for said that he would not vote. i think that some have taken a stand and have a lot of gut for in the moment. it looks like they came out. i would say that as a political tactici tactician, yesterday i watched a don donald trump communication activity. they as a campaign work withed on a speech that was delivered in the tell prompter and that was the planned message of the day. i am told that he refuses to step back at all from doing these kind of interviews with the theories. there was a message of the day. >> riddled as you said with and
actual problems. one problem after another and you go through it late rally and you define the guy and shoters and afghan. >> yeah, born 27 years ago. >> someone needs to help him out. get him o out and you did it with sarah palin. someone needs to get them out and put them in front of donald trump and first of all explain the difference between indiana and mexico. now i guess we're going to have to figure out the difference between afghanistan and queens. when the sun line hits it just right -- >> yeah, you got a killing there and then it cuts right there kabul. here is donald trump yesterday not telling the truth.
the name i will not say. the only reason he was there in the first place is that we allowed -- >> stop. stop. stop. >> he did the same. >> we don't know how to analyze. >> when he said last week the judge is mexican and i don't remember who it was and it was jake. had he was born in indiana. here he is saying well he was born in afghanistan -- he was born in afghan. >> he was born in queens, new york. >> we're sorry but we have --
>> i know that you talk about it, but why don't we talk about what you and donald trump doesn't know what it is. why don't we talk about ask this deepens and this crisis deepens just how bad the world leader see this. >> well, around the world it's dramatically at odds and then the tradition of respect for us. they can not understand where they are if answer is not to
shut down and these are not caused by immigrants. we have got to have the individuals not get radicalized and the key here is the buy in. you have the have the buy in from muslim americans and you have to have the buy in from mosque and where people believe that they're part of the american fabric like you and me. that's the problem with muslim
band. >> alex, do we have the part of the speech that makes sense? >> now, many years people were saying that i was right to do so. although the pause is temporary, we have to find outs what is going on. it will be lifted when and as the nation we're in a position to properly and purposely. >> i think that he is tweeting it. >> we talk act the muslim man and san bernardino. >> then we have what happened in orlando. what he is talking about has nothing to do with orlando.
had this guy was born in new york and lived in florida. he is talking about his muslim family. this guy is about second generation thing with him. are we going go to deporting now? >> he mentioned sanbernardino. one of the ask prepects is that4 united states senators a majority of them voted not to extend -- voted to turn down a proposal that would have allowed the fbi to check on people on a terrorist watch list that wanted to buy a gun. they voted against him. nerd, you can be on the watch list and be on the long gun, a handgun. >> was this guy on the watch list? >> no, it was on and taken off. >> yes. >> on and off. >> we're going to have more.
>> 54 united states senators and they have a moment of prayer yesterday: >> yes, it's in sanity. >> so you want to know what in sanity looks like? we're going to hear from the gun shop owner that sold the gunman in orlando two weapons and then a gun shop owner that's selling the sort of semiweapons that are being used and they're selling like hot cakes now. and the commissioner of the new york city police department is here on set. first, a check on the forecast with bill. how does it look? >> well, we're not expecting a huge tornado outbreak but yesterday amazing pictures in texas. six is tornados reported yesterday and then the cycle was ama afoot age there. it was over oakland field and that's where we like for it to be. we're not watching any damage
with that storm yesterday. as far as what we're dealing with it, now we're shifting from texas and the plans the right now the maximum is pretty clear. 7 million people at risk today. tomorrow we have major population centers from chicago to indianapolis to cleveland. 48 million people at ricks tomorrow as it goes to the east. the other story is the heat in the soilth east. yesterday atlanta was 97 and today 9 4. it's only going to get worse. a major heat wave and areas in texas and 100 to 120 degrees in arizona. a beautiful start to the day. we will be right back.
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in an hour that he does a day. why. why would they run out and get that? >> there's a fear among gun owner that they're going to be taken off the market, so you want to get one before you think wrongly that congress may ban the sell of them. >> again i grew up in were georgia around hunters and moved to rural mississippi are where people would go out and shoot at trees and target practice out in the woods. i grew up in meridian,
mississippi. that's rural mississippi. lived in tuscaloosa, alabama and fla and surround issby people t took their kids hunting, and i have to say that i was born, bred and raise in that culture, the guys that i all knew growing up and guys that i have known for 53 years they get rifles and shotguns. >> sure. >> they shoot at beer. they hu they shoot. i'm sorry. this is not of you living in a bubble. i know that your brothers and families have guns all over the place. >> they hunt. they have some guns. >> they say it's for one thing and one thing only killing
people. >> you know what ronald reagan said, ban it. >> it's been an hour for one story. >> wha do you need thisfor? >> reagan was not a real conservative. he also supported background checks. >> and amnesty. >> it's weak. still ahead over night reports on attack of french police officers -- >> by the way, why do the people always embrace ronald reagan but ignore. >> it's very hypocritical. >> you should not be allow today say shining hill. just stop that. >> the same people that are busting the fbi for investigating this guy a couple of times and temporarily putting him on a terror watch list and not being aggressive are the same people that voted against
people being able to get guns ton terror watch it. think about that. we live in a country where if you're on a terror watch list, you can go in and buy a military assault style weapon and it's unbelievable. >> a lot of these people voted against the thing that is the nsa could do. we have to rethink the balance for collective security and individual privacy, or we're unsafe as a society. >> that's a big key. it's so right. >> all right. so we will cover the attack on french police officers in paris and more claims of isis backing. is this the latest radical incident in europe? we're live in france. hillary clinton in direct contract responds to the attacks in orlando. we will be right back. 's how yoy connected to each other
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42-year-old police commander was outside of his home and approached by a man and attacked with a knife. the man went inside of the police officer's home and took hostage the police officer's partner and a 3-year-old boy. this lasted for hours and police swat team were on the scene and they tried to cooperate with him and the s.w.a.t. team moved in. they found the partner dead and the 3-year-old boy was unharmed. police have named the president as larossi abballa who was 25 years old and known as a radical. he also served a six month jail sen is tense. he was sentenced to the three years for being part of a jihad network. there's no question this is terrorism. the threat everywhere is very
high. an isis news agency said that this man was one of their fighters. there are reports that he posted a 13 minute video on facebook during the attacks in which he said that he had answered i sis's call. this is an attack and the investigators want to know was this linked to or inspired by the massacre in orlando that's horrified everybody here. >> bill, thank you very much. earlier we heard from the latest in the orlando shooting investigati investigating. shawn, did they miss some signs here? >> i don't think that they did. everything that i have seen with the investigation and i have
talked to folks with the fbi and the investigation going back to a couple of years ago and comments from two coworkers and the fbi conducted a thorough investigation. they used a source that they ran up against him and used monitoring to monitor some of the communications and they did surveillance. this went on for a period of ten months. what we have to look at is the totality of the situation and the number of people that have come up on the fbi's radar. the fbi does not have the resource to follow 24/7 hundreds of thousands of people. that's not the case. when they do this investigation, they're look at a snapshot in time. whatever caused this guy his switch to flip and move from the comments and ask aspirations and sboog into the club to kill 50
people, you don't know the switch. >> shawn, can you give us a rough idea of numbers in terms of the agents working the terror squads and numbers of people and specifically we're going to have the commissioner on in a while ne here in new york. fbi terror task force and numbers and agents to terror suspects. >> i don't want to go into specific numbers. i don't know that the fbi released that. i can tell you that they're daunting and that the number of people that have come up on their radar screen that have made these type of statements have democrated and let me be clear here. a lot of the comments are are fr protected speech. that's protected and it requires someone to take a look, brut it's overwhelming what the fbi and the u.s. intelligence community is facing now.
the risk is high and the capability and resources are limited. >> okay. shawn, thank you very much. we have new polling approximate in the presidential race and seems that the last two weeks it's taken toll on donald trump. clinton with a seven percent lead from trump. that's up from a four point lead last week and a tied race nearly two weeks ago. 54 percent to 40 percent for trump and the numbers were 47 to 46 just two weeks ago. in a multicandidate race, clinton is ahead 42 and trump 38 and while gary johnson takes nine percent and the green party candidate is at nine percent. i was wondering and some think that it's going to go e higher. i think that the numbers are going to drop.
>> you see a seven point drop here and where he was tied or ahead in a lot of polls. it's been a rough week. we will see. he always thinks that terror attacks help him in the polls. we will see if that's miserable. >> i think that it's lost a lot of credibility. >> then you need to look at the event that he had in richmond on friday. maybe 1,500 people there. a largely -- again, it was about 1,500 or so people there and a lot of complaints and there are actually suggestions. >> a lot of empty seats. >> they have been suggestions that they're now going to move from those events to now smaller events because apparently he was
surprised. i mean we showed all of the people that were there there was a massive auditorium. >> he said that he is going to do rallies. >> he said that and i think there's some recognition that delivering the speeches is something that he has to show that he is capable of doing. what they did yesterday is something that they plan to continue, but, you know, as with we talked about earlier in the hour if you do not bracket your own speech with a consistent message, you might as well have not delivered the speech. if you go on fox and friends and talk about the president as an accomplish to terror, you may as well have not. writing any speech is a time consuming endeavor and prepping for a rally in front of thousands of fans. >> what would the instinct be? you have been up there with the campaigns and what is the
instinct whose message is ne negative and dark and filed with the be very afraid and the message? >> listen, you all know where i come down on the message of trump and the speaking to the more sinister and the fear of americas. he did prevail in a republican primary on what you described and what is pluzzling. there are people that are terri terrified and he the opportunity to do that. >> going back here and here is a shot overall of the trump rally. that's something that you would not have seen at any point. >> i remember alabama and some states he was able to get 10,000 people at the trop of a hat. it was o organized in 48 hours
and it's a massive crowd showing up. >> look at that. that looks like an accident braves baseball game that i used to go to o when there was a foul ball to the first baseline and then be behind catcher and all the way to the right field fence and bob warn er and be able to hit the bauchlt i mean look at those pictures again. something is happening out there. it's not the campaign's fault but he just simply refuses to raise the games. >> i predicted that they would go down and the bigger question is that they go down in the wake of what we have seen in orlando. >> i doubt that. i think there will be a bump. >> your question is about raising the game and we have been asking this for months and
why is not improving? >> i have a question of why isn't he getting better but why is he getting worse? why is he getting worse? >> my guess is that donald trump is being the person that got him to where he is in life and got him to where he is in the republican primary and continuing the same thing. what would be questioned is what served him up until now and continues to serve in a totally different condition zpex the general election and then it does not seem to be. that's what we're seeing. he made get a temporary one out of the last 24 or 48 hours, but things are going really bad because clinton is turning this into a referendum on donald trump. if that's the way that this plays out over the next five months, he is not going to lose but lose badly. >> it's not like we have not been saying every day on the show that every single day he has five weeks to turn it
around. four weeks to turn it around. he has to make the shift. he has three weeks. he told you that he is going to make the turn. he is not listening to the people around him or the family members. i will say it again. after getting in wisconsin he showed the discipline for two weeks and was rewarded in the polls in a massive way. now that he has the nomination and it's connected to the fact that everybody in washington just bowed down. they scrapped him and said why can't i do it like i want to. i am going to pay no price for it. >> yes, he did say that he was going to pivot and you expect to see that in general happens when they win. you expect to see that. i also thought possibly and we have all seen it before when someone rises to the level of winning the nomination, the magnitude of the moment causes them to rise up and really think for the country and think beyond
themselves and they really get taken in by the moment. they become bigger than themselves, and he is smaller. much smaller than himself if not worse. >> i i talked to someone and they helped to set up a corporation that he was ceo of his atlantic city and his atlantic city and all of the facilities down there. he said what was remarkable was that he could never figure out when he was ceo that it was not just his money. that he could not just do whatever he wanted to do with it. the guy complained about this for years. he did not understand that he had a duty to the shareholders. nobody could break through to him and suggest that this is not just about you. i said that's really a perfect analo
analogy, isn't it. >> he asked a friend why can't -- >> he has a duty for the people that vote for him, conservatives, republicans and the people of the country. it's not just about him. >> if this did not happen i think that it was really detailed and the reporting over the weekend and small business owner that lost the companies because what you described there's an interaction with them and, i donyou know, there was n in trump. >> still ahead -- it just gets so ridiculous. i feel that we're the onion. donald trump bars the washington post from covering the campaign events and we will bring in gene washington. is that his name?
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immigration problems by seeing unemployment go up and tax revenues go down and those are all risks that we should not take. i say don't risk it. >> that was british prime minister. one of the people not to vote to exit the eu. >> yeah. >> new polls out of the uk suggest that they're on board to do just that. a new poming and that's found for leadings and the leave camp upping up a six point advantage over remain and showing a growing momentum. richard, you say the implications and the far reachings of this can't be measured right now and say not only does it end the eu, but it ends the united kingdom. >> yeah the uk is going to be
the disunited because scott land is going to say that we want to split off. i don't know what whales would do or northern ireland, this is the end and beginning of the end. also polls another threat out of the sweet er and europe was the least stable part of the world for the 20th century and then the two world wars and then the eu is a massive map of political and economic stability. this is a dangerous threat and then it's a weaker countries. i don't know given the problems what happens in europe. >> so let's talk about great britain and let's talk about what happens politically there. david cameron you you have to step on down. is is that the next prime minister? >> yeah, he has a good shot. i don't know how jeffrey osbourne can succeed that. it two goes to someone that's probe -- >> now, johnson is a bright man,
why does he support leaving? >> well, he would say for the economic reasons. he is unpoplar and then this became -- he is sensing the tide in the country and he saw this as a real opportunity to accelerate the political fortunes in the country. it's as a result if i am right and then we have borromeo riss johnson leading the conservative and republican party. this is equivalent to donald trump and sanders leading the two major parties. >> i'm sorry -- >> no you. >> what's the major factor on the ground to get out of the ta deal? >> i they it's fear and immigration and i see what's going on here. it's prolonging economic growth. plus, it was interesting they did a poll in other day and
there were zero ideas of the facts. they thought that massive amounts were there and that the immigrants were swamping and most of the people that were voting have a distant appreciation of the facts. >> can i ask you of the demographi demographics. who makes up the lead and the stay in term of the demographics? >> it crosses party lines. young people that tend to be more probe are coming out to vote and the voters turn out. they have the working class and older people and they can be voting more and a lot of fear on pensions. that's what is interesting for us and it shows thei pop limp, and we fear that it's happening over there. this is something to take notice of. there are some messages on what is happening in britain for us. last night thousands took to
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agree on everything. it's free thinking believing or not in what you choose. i as a new father and thinking what do i tell my kids. what do i tell them about this? what can we learn from this? what if my kids are gay? what do i tell them? maybe there's a lesson in all of this this. a lesson in tolerance. we need to get back to being brave enough that we have different opinions. that's okay. we're all miamericans this was just one bad guy here. 49 good people and one bad guy. there will always be more good than evil. keep loving each other and respecting each other and keep on dancing. >> welcome back to "morning joe" and it's tuesday, june 14th. >> you know the thing is is
sadly it's more than one bad guy here. we have focused for a very long time on isis. >> right. >> and islamic radicalism. we have always focused more on the hatred of the political leader. the hatred of woman. the fact that they treat woman like animals. we have read the stories how they rape the young woman and pass them around like dogs. there's always been persecution for those in the mists that are gay. it's something that for some reason this country is not focused on enough. this is not a random act that the guy went in and said that i hate gay people. this was not an attack just against the gay people.
this was an attack by isis and striking out and killing people for not thinking like they do and believing like they do and not living like they do. it is sadly much bigger than one bad person going in to a night club. this is a clash of civilizations and not the west verses islam, but the west and islam verses a small subset of radicalism. it's a war that we're going to be fighting for some time. it's a war that we got to fight not with just comes and bullets, but it's a fight that we went inside of the country and we were talking about it before by actually engaging muslim americans. and making muslim -- as i said yesterday making muslim
americans believe as they do that they have every much a stake in the future of this country and the great republic and bought into the american dream as you and me. and when the 300 million muslim americans in the country believe that, and most of them do believe that despite what donald trump says, then we win the fight against isis. >> absolutely. the fight is to discourage the young man. by the time that they join isis and by the guns, the only way to stop them is to kill them. we want to prevent from making that a career choice. we want them not to be radical or terrorists. there are not enough fbi in the world to deal with tens of thousands of people that are radicalized.
the key here has to be to prevent the process. that means looking at the schools and what is said in the mosque and it's much more of a -- we have to work with people. not just do things to people. >> that's the next fro tentier the recruiting, they don't have go go anywhere. they can be recruit in the basement. also during the conversation we have steve and in washington -- >> i thought he was banned. sn. >> yeah, i thought the credentials were polled. >> still here. >> associate editor of the washington post gene robinson. >> i am thinking if there's an editor that i want to cross, gene may not be the top of my list. >> no, he would not be at the top of my list either. i would not mess with him personally. >> mike, talk about when marty
went to washington. >> yeah, he went from the miami harold and an outsider and a market and at that point in time. >> by the way we're tacking of donald trump barring the washington post from being at campaign events because he did not like the story yesterday. marty worked for the washington post and the man least that you want to piss off. >> he was there at the globe and there for a short period of time and noticed that there were several stories written briefly having to do with the clergy abuse and priest abusing chirin children. it was muted. marty being marty said boy, that's a hell of a story, and we don't care. >> marty took on the catholic
church and that was across boston and the country and in no small part because of f marty. he has faced a lot tough er components than donald trump. >> yeah. >> also with us national correspondent if for the atlantic. >> yeah. >> going around the desk right now. >> okay. so jeffrey we have not talked to him in a little bit and give us your take on what you have been seeing over the past several days? first of all as it comes to national security and then the state of the political cities? >> let me start with the sorry state. i want to jump on something that you just said. the clash of generalization and i have been thinkingov of this. if you want to break it down, you have a candidate that
believes that we're in a clash of civilization. the west verses the islam. you have a president and then the presidential campaign that believe that is we're not talking about a clash of civilization, but a clash within the civilization of islam and forces of medieval and the forces of that dearnty. if you have that view, you say that we can not defeat isis without muslims, therefore we're not going to demonize them and make them feel that we hate the religion. it's us verses all of islam and there are a billion and a half. billion and a half muslims in the world, so that's not exactly a war that the united states could win. there's no way to fight that war. isis is only defeated by muslims. once we get our heads around that it's not a complicated factor. once we get our heads around
that -- >> let me repeat what we're seeing for months now. jeffrey is right, we don't win the war against isis until we win it here at home with muz preliminary americans and here is the great thing about america. we have done an extraordinary job being the world's melting pot. we also have. we have brought in the irish. we have brought in the germans and we have brought in people from all four corners of the globe seamlessly. we have done it with muslim americans again and then talking about how the muslim americans maybe one percent of the population, but they make up as many of ten percent of temporary total disability -- scientists come from the muslim community, and it needs to continue. we have a candidate that's trying to actually break that
line. >> they're saying that president obama has hidden motives when it comes to terrorists during multiple interviews yesterday. >> he just whether anybody understands. we're led by a man that's either not tough, not smart or he's got something else in mind. the something else in mind, people cannot believe it. they can not believe that president obama is acting the twa that he acts and cannot even mention the words radical islamic. there's something going on. it's unconceivable. something is going on. whether a lot of people think that they does not want to get it or want to know about it. i happen to think that he just
does not know what me is doing. there are people that think that he does not want to get it or see what is happening. >> what did you mean by that? >> well, i will let people think of that for themselves. to be honest with you, there's not a lot of anger or passion when he -- when we want to demand what happened over the weekend. there's certainly not a lot of passion. there's not a lot of anger, so we will let people figure it out. >> what? that's stupid. >> yeah, marching firmly through the swamps. >> there's no president in history who is killed more
muslim terrorists than barack obama. he has killed themselves throughout the presidency and eight different countries and so if he is isis operative, than he is is really bad of it because he is trying to kill them. this is not an endorsement right away. >> yeah, it's so deep that he is acting against the interest. this is not an endorsement by the way of the tactics. there are things to be done and look, if i believe that you invoke in the magical radical terrorisms and if if i believed that would stop it, then i would endorse that. i feel that it might have the opposite affect. what you don't want do is make the muslims that you're talking about and the millions that we're talking about who love the religion and don't go out and kill people. >> by the way jeffrey, love --
name and going to address the war and she is going work to make sure that muslim americans know that they're every bit of part of the society and culture as we. >> most of the people agree on the presidential candidate. i want to say two things. the sfirs what reminds me of in 20 o 08 when we went into the financial crisis and you saw the difference in how president obama thought about it. it was a turning point in the campaign. >> yesterday's speeching were -- >> oh my gosh. >> i think we're in the same zone where the american people say we have one this way. let me say one other thing and in the risk of dabbling in the area and that's jeffrey said that barack obama has killed more terrorists than anybody
else. we have had almost 16 years of presidents that were focused on this threat and yes there are a billion and a half muslims that do not want any part of this and there are ten thes of thousands that want us to be dead and we have not yet fig yoored out how to stop that. it's a mix of what we do for the foreign policy and then the whole domestic policy of it and all of the actions. >> clinton talked about those things and that's important if you want to move forward and trump talked about something going on. >> well, we also not so long ago we had political leader that could do both and talk about hard you power. we're going to hunt i sis down
and then the resources way from them and then the weapons away from them and then going to capture and kill them. then we're going to work aggressively inside of the country to make sure that muslim americans buy into the american dream like they bought into the american dream. it's not like muslims just started the come to america in 1979. they have been in the country since the foundation of this country. you read the founding documents and they talk about the muslims in america. >> yeah, the only thing is to think about this and the disease. yes, you want to go after them and we also have to do things that's not acceptable and that's where the muslim community is. we want to have an entier range
of o policies to protection and going after people that are already made the decision to kill you. i thought what you said in clinton's speech yesterday was the range and combination of the sbel skbrens the social integration and muslim americans and gun control. >> yeah, there's something going on and clinton that did not mention clinton's name once yesterday. and recognizing that the u.s. cannot contain it to the middle east. she called for the gun restrictions across the government and communities. here is some of hillary clinton
the's speech. >> we have to stem the flow of jihad from europe to america, iraq, syria, after kban stan and then back gain. the only way is to work with the partners and strengthen the alliances and not weaken them or walk away from them. >> hillary clinton for months and so many attacks refused to even say the word radical islam until i challenged her yesterday, and guess what? she will probably say them. she has said them. she is in total denial and it broadcasts weakness aacross the entire world. true weakness. >> if the fbi is watching you for suspected terrorists links,
you should not be able to just go by a gun with no questions asked. and you should not be be able to exploit loopholes and evade criminal background checks by buying online or at a gun show. >> and yes, if you're too dangerous to get on a plane, you're too dangerous to buy a gun in america. >> we have to make it harder for people who should not have those weapons of war, and that may not stop every shooting or every terrorists attack, but it will stop some, and it will save lives. >> her plan is to disarm law abiding americans and embellishing the second amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. she wants the take away the
americans gun and then admit the very people that want to slaughter us. >> i remember how it felt ochb the day after 9/11. we had each other's backs. i was a senator from new york. there was a republican president, a arepublican governor, and a republican ma r mayor. we did not attack each other. we worked with each other to protect the country and rebuild our city. >> having learned nothing from the attacks, she plans to massively increase admissions without a screening plan including a 500 percent increase in the syrian refuges and tell me. tell me how stupid is that? >> wait a minute. the statements are extraordinary. >> i mean talking about a
flooding and how many? >> less than 3,000. >> 2,800. >> less than 3,000. >> he was completely in correct and inflated in the statements. >> and also the comment that hillary clinton wants to take away the second amendment. >> that's a lie. >> the washington post is the third paragraph of the news story starts and says in a speech and falsely exaggerations. >> he is in the campaign and gene -- >> this is what donald trump said not long ago. i support the ban on assault weapons and i also support a longer waiting period to purchase guns. i think he said that back in 2000. >> wait. >> gene, give us a verbal column with the two candidates that you just saw. >> well, you know you have a
reasonable thoughtful mentor candidate for the highest office in the nation who laid out a plan who called for americans as we do to come together in the face of a common threat, and you have a raving lunatic on the other side whose, you know, it was just a string of lies. the thing about it these days is is that it's just lie after lie after lie. it's falsehood and that's kind of going for it and the flat out lies that he tells all of the time. it's frustrating in that sense to cover them, but you know what the washington post is going to continue to cover donald trump even if we cannot ride with them on the plane and god will miss that. >> i'm sure that he will. >> i think that we're going to hold this piece of it.
>> mike, can i get the copy? >> talk about a tail of two candidates yesterday. one practicing the con conspiracy erie and then a multilayered approach. even if if you disagree with the things that clinton suggested, it was a series of the policy speech and not a speech that was packed with the lies. one of the candidates is issuing policy papers and trying to lay out plans that have sophistication and the other is just winging it.
there's no policy. there's just spleen. there's just executive and there's mischaracterizations of the opponents and no awareness of the impact of his words. >> jeffrey, how sad sa on what he said with with the syrian refuges that we have brought in and just following up with that's stupid. the number is closer to 28. what did he say? >> he said thousands. he said 500 percent increase and then 2,800. >> the whole thing is a nonsense because the guy that did this that prompted the speech and where don was off the board. >> yeah, he is is from queens. >> yeah, final thought and it's gene in washington. i may give you donald trump's
name. when the beetles were found, that only made them more poplar. now that you're band, it's going to be huge with the kids. >> it's a badge of honor. my final thought is i guess that i hope that steve is right. i hope that this is a moment like the moment of the financial crisis in 2008 when people look at the two candidates and do the two reactions and then the conclusions about who should be the commander in chief and the figure and then who should confront the threat of isis and then if it is that kind of moment, i think that it's certainly going to play in clinton's favor. >> jeffrey, thank you very much. thank you as well. >> thank you. >> until a week from thursday. still ahead we will go live to orlando for the latest there
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it's 28 past the hour and right now the fbi is looking into whether mateen -- four people that frequent the club said that they have seen him there before. sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk that he was loud. let's bring this in chris and chris this morning we're learning of the 49 people that were there and having fun and having a night out when they were gunned down. >> yeah, you know the number of
victims just that number is stagg staggering. in a snap chat video one of the victims 25 kbre-year-old amanda captures the moment that the gunman opened fire in the club. >> i'm at the club! >> reporter: just imagine that you're hiding and hear gunshots. he communicated that he got separated and she was in the bathroom and she has been confirmed as one of the 49 victims killed inside of that night club that's just behind
me. nbc news spoke to her brother last night. >> watching that video you can clearly see my sister look up and kind of realize that's going on and then drop the phone and run. it's heart breaking and the fear in her eyes, you want to be there. you can't to be there immediately and getting this, you know, almost 24 hours later were knowing there's nothing that you can do is heart breaking. >> meantime a survivor still hospitalized after being shot several times. this video of his family shared with us shows him having fun and him dressed up as a teenage mutant ninja turtle. he talks about inside the club. >> i did not lose it.
everything was happening so fast i did not have a chance to try or be scared. i remember the cops asking are you alive is anybody is alive, put your hand up. apparently the guy was making it like he was a victim also, so he was on the floor too. the cops did not know who they were looking at because the guy played that he was a victim too. >> reporter: and last night about 7,500 people turned out for a candle light vig yule and at one point they called for everybody to hug who was against them and this is a community trying to come to gris ps with what happened here in america. >> chris, thank you so much. joining us now commissioner of the new york city and police officer bill and the washington
post and msnbc contribute er. good to have you both with us. >> we're hearing that new york is beefing up on security. >> yeah, the last two years that we have been in new york and 1,300 additional police officers and then in america e i have a lot of resources here and we have and then the task force. it's very necessary and the idea of the intelligence and then the ability approximate if yof the . >> also you have been very
aggressive of building within the muslim community and how many muslim police officers do you have in nypd. >> we have that in the department and then it's ironically and in the building. >> we have close to 900 of the muslims that live in new york city, so that's what new york is all about and new york city police department is all about. it's the gay community and then a large amount of gay officers in the department also. >> go on. >> so we have talked a lot on the show of dealing with the terrorists threat of going back to the roots and isis and all of that. at the end of the day, aren't we going have to problems of perhaps one or two or three individuals that happens and becomes radicalized if they're home grown or not? how do you think about that and try to present that from
happening? >> well, interview bid the fbi two or three times several years ago and that's going to a person that would want a full time surveillance going forward. what triggered now two years later the actions that we're responsible for and that's the limited resources and they're stretched thin in new york and almost a thousand police officers assigned to counter terrorism along with over a hundred assigned to the fbi to work on the cases. surveillance of one individual can can take upwards to 18 to 24 officers a day. it's on one individual we have a number of others that we're watching closely.
it's active in the koint erie. >> on december 3rd 2014 in the massacre, 54 members of the united states senate voted against a bill that would have aloved people in the terror watch list to be prohibited from purchasing a gun. that was defeated. >> shame on them. shame on them and they prostitute themselves in front of the nra. it's the own political careers and that of the nra ahead of the american people. presidential candidate in the clip that you just showed talked about the idea of the watch list and you can go and buy a gun. no fly list, go and buy a gun.
if you're under vins kbags by the fbi for terrorism activity, you're concluded from getting a gun. with this congress, e i would not hold my breathe. that's a privilege in 94 and 95 and where assault weapons are there for ten years. just the symbolism of that was really significant at that time. so the idea and we talked about this this morning. who goes hunting with an assault weapon. if you're a hunting looking for meat, it's again. >> again, it's not like i have grown up here. i spent four decades in rural mississippi, georgia and florida. we had a gun culture and they were shotguns, rifles and locked up in a house and it was a way
of life. you taught your kids to go out and hunt and sometimes five or six and you taught them to do it responsibly. >> you talked about his position on this and the republican party and it's in the sense that he talked about tearing down the walls and we talk about the building walls and then we build it to keep them up and then to keep them in. that's the next thing. >> jump in. >> yeah, just in terms of orlando in general, it's been the -- i have been blown away by the way that the story is covered in the country and blown away in a gooded way. imagine a slaughter of people in
a gay night club and happening ten years ago and 20 years ago and what's the tone and the conversation of what the news coverage is. what we're seeing is is a rallying around the country because once again we're faced and that was a specific community for a long time was the target of abuse for lack of a better word. we're seeing the candle light vigils and then the su suprepre court and then the silver lining and that i can find. >> you know commissioner it's
not been a city and it's never been a secrete and then the gay america and then gay people anywhere in the planet and to be enemies of their set. so the feel and then probably some what and in the history of the city. and it does feel special because of the international threat and then targets many others. so it's something that we're mindful of and the idea of solidarity for that. >> it's the hatred and then
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personally don't think that there's any need for that in the schools and around america. i believe that we have got to take a serious look. i understand everybody's desire to have it, but we have to protect the children. we have to protect the police and population. i think that we have to take a mature look at that. >> that was retired general stanley crystal on "morning joe" back in 2013. joining us now is nbc special
reporter tom. >> well, no one knows the air power and designed for that and for killing people. now it's part of the landscape of america. here is a guy that's been interviewed twice by the fbi maybe three times and going into a gunshot and then donald trump has one and then they can protect themselves and take it into a concert and into a disco club and we did have a ban on it and then it was taken away from a gun owner and then for the life. the fact is is that it's a resent addition to the arsenal and then it's for a long time and i do not have the authority, but i think that this sunday should be a natural day of mourning. it should begin in the morning with a pause o cross tacross th
to reflect on what happened, and i would hope that it would kick off a dialogue that it's from the ground up and then the mosques and churches or whatever people gather they begin to talk to each other. i was reminded yesterday that him and pete did a piece on gun control for example and says that it only works if it's bipartisan. if you get people to come together, i think the country is feeling left out in many ways by the over heated social media stuff that's going on on both sides. when trump talks for example of the president does not get it or he has a hidden agenda, donald trump never said that he was wrong about muslim's celebrating in new jersey for example. we have to know the facts here and take a deep breathe and
decide where to go from here. i said as early as that, that isil was a great threat and it was the last part of the administration and it was that. we need administration. i know there are those who say we've got to step up our bombing program, like we did in kosovo that will bring people -- they hope they will bring more of the islamic nation into all of this. we haven't heard from saudi arabia. we haven't occurred from qatar or united arab emirates. these are islamic nations that ought to be in on it as well. >> there's so much to pick apart here. we'll start with the gun angle on this because it's unbelievable. we heard from a gun store owner that we played a sound bite of earlier that said that exact weapon used in the shoot, gun sales just skyrocketed yesterday. people scarfing them up. i don't know why. >> and this happens. >> they think they're going to be banned.
>> they need them for self-defense? >> it happened after sandy hook. >> yeah, well, tom is right. we spoke about this earlier. people rush to the gun store thinking that donald trump's rhetoric is right. that hillary clinton or any democrat wants to come and take your weapon. >> specifically wants to ban second amendment which -- >> as if the president of the united states has that right. >> can't do that. >> the other side of what tom said when you said people feel left out, i also think that people feel unheard. and that was in high relief after newtown. how is it that a gunman can go into a school, kill schoolchildren and still nothing happens. polls come out and though more than 80% of the country wants at a minimum background checks and nothing happens. i agree with you. should be a national day of mourning, and that it should begin a push so the people who feel left out, unheard of
finally heard. >> let's remember also dear friend of yours and mike's, eight years later, the great tim russert. >> it was a long day yesterday. mike and i were just talking about it. that was one of the more stunning personal developments in my life here. i've been here 50 years. and that day will be forever imprinted in my own mind. i was getting ready to go to saudi arabia that afternoon and waiting to talk to tim who had just gotten back from rome. the first call was that tim has collapsed in the newsroom. i said, is he okay? they said, no, he's gone. i just couldn't believe it. and then we had obviously the next several days, the nation mourned, and they came together. i talked to luke yesterday briefly. he's doing fine. and there is a kind of legacy of tim russert. he reinvented "meet the press" and held people accountable. we miss him right now. i think that chuck todd is doing
a great job but we just miss him as a member of the team about holding people accountable for what they are saying. and there is -- i think the country felt like tim was their guy. he was every man. he was from buffalo and not afraid to put on the buffalo uniform and say, we're going to take the cowboys down no matter what. didn't work out as well as he hoped it might. but he was every man. >> eight years ago, friday the 13th, you lost your good friend. and what has struck mika and me over the past eight years, wherever you go, you mention tim. and it is still -- >> universal response. >> -- like people lost a brother. lost an uncle. >> for sure. >> lost a father. >> for sure. for some odd reason, that was a day, very unusual for me. i was in washington that morning. i was supposed to have lunch with tim. i went to see him in his office. same thing. i went upstairs at nbc and
colleen came running up and said tim collapsed. went to the hospital. he was pronounced. i can remember every single second vividly of that day, and you are absolutely right, joe. no matter where you go today for nbc, someone will mention tim russert. someone will mention they miss tim russert because he had something that comes across -- like an x-ray machine, mri machine for tv and it comes across that tim was a good guy. it came across every single week. >> one of his favorite phrases was, this is wild! and i can only imagine what he'd be saying about this year. if this is wild. by the way, i didn't not believe it until mike call me from the hospital and confirmed it at that point. we were kind of the three amigos. it was a big loss. big loss for the country as well. let me say one more thing about what we're going through right now. when oklahoma city happened and timothy mcveigh, an altar boy created the greatest crime in the country against the federal
government, oklahoma city residents will now tell you it brought them together in a way. it's a different kind of city now because they begin to talk to each other in a different fashion given what they were going through. they so polarized in many ways but it did have that impact. and there are lessons to be learned from oklahoma city and what we're going through now. >> tom brokaw, thank you so much. we'll be right back. 1% cash bak e 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league. because he loves to play hoops. not jump through tm. at's the excitement of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you.
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[ bell tolling ] good morning. it's tuesday, june 14th. scenes from orlando, florida. a city and really a country and a world still -- >> devastated. >> -- recovering from the devastation of this past weekend. welcome to "morning joe." we're going to be talking about that. also an awful lot of politics to cover. it appears that donald trump has a lot of news. he's actually banned "the washington post" from covering him on the campaign. in other news, the pope has banned the bible from use in catholic churches. and actually allowing math to be taught there and major league
baseball, not using baseball bats. seriously. it's a good thing
he's grown, mike. it's a good thing he's grown. it gets worse by the day on the campaign trail. yesterday a suggestion -- a suggestion on several channels that barack obama was somehow implicated in -- implicated in these terror attacks. and then saying, well, i'll let people just try to figure out what i said. reminds me when a lot of scumbags said that george w. bush had something to do with 9/11. but to have those on the internet, to have the standard bearer, ball r-- paul ryan's candidate, mitch mcconnell's candidate saying that barack obama may have been complicit in the killings of americans is beyond breathtaking. >> joe, yesterday what he said
on tv early in the morning is basically a disqualifier to be president of the united states because he accused the sitting president of the united states, barack obama, of a treasonous act. we're led by a man who is -- look, we're led by a man that is not tough, not smart or has something else in mind. the something else in mind, people knts believe, they cannot believe that president obama is acting the way he is and can't even mention the words radical islamic terrorism. there's something going on. it's inconceivable. there's something going on. >> and there's -- >> that's a disqualifier. >> and then he goes on another show and he says he doesn't know what he's doing or actually, he may know exactly what he's doing. and then when asked to clarify later in the day he does what he always does. he refuses to clarify so the conspiracy theorists hear the
dog whistle and go to him. >> all right. we'll get more on this in a moment because there's a lot of politics to cover given what's happened. mike barnicle is with us, also former communications director for george w. bush, nicolle wallace, and the president on the council on foreign relations, richard haas joins us this morning. at last check, 29 of the 44 patients rushed to the orlando regional medical center in the wake of the attack remain there this morning. the hospital says all current patients have a, quote, positive prognosis and appear to be improving. last night in downtown orlando, thousands gathered at an emotional candlelight vigil. and the white house says president obama will travel to orlando on thursday to meet with the victims' families and to stand in solidarity with the community. let's bring in nbc news correspondent chris jansing live in orlando. multiple reports that the shooter went to the pulse nightclub often before the attacks? >> we're learning more and more
about this, mika, and the gunman omar mateen. right now the fbi is looking into whether he had previously visited the pulse nightclub many times. according to the "orlando sentinel," four people they talked to say they've seen him there before. one man was quoted as saying, sometimes he'd go over in the corner and drink by himself. other times he'd get so drunk he was loud and belligerent. another man recognized mateen from other places as well. >> i recognize him from one of the apps. but he was like very creepy in his messages. i blocked him immediately. but my other friend -- >> gay dating app? >> yeah. i recognize him off grinder. >> and one of the questions that's been out there is why wasn't he under some sort of surveillance while fbi director
jim comey shed more information on the fbi's contact with mateen. mateen was investigated between may of 2013 and march of 2014 after telling co-workers he had family connections with al qaeda and was a member of hezbollah. he was put under surveillance, placed on the terror watch list, but that investigation did not produce enough evidence to arrest him. >> he admitted making the statements his co-workers reported but explained he did it in anger because he thought his co-workers were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was muslim. our work is very challenging. we are looking for needles in a nationwide haystack, but we're also called upon to figure out which pieces of hay might some day become needles. that is hard work. if we can find a way to do that better, we will. >> the fbi revealed yesterday in one 911 call, mateen made a
reference to the tsarnaev brothers, calling the boston bombers his homeboys. and i also want to tell you that last night, spending the time with folks from this community, particularly members of the lgbt community was inspiring, frankly. 7,500 people came out on a steamy night here in orlando. they say that there is still a lot of fear, but they had to be there because they wanted to show love to each other, support to each other, and it is a little chilling for many of the folks to think that, frankly, joe and mika, this guy was in their presence at that nightclub down the street and had gone there many times before. >> it's terrible. >> chris jansing, thanks very much. we'll be checking back with you throughout the morning. donald trump is doubabbling conspiracy theories. this time suggesting president obama has hidden motives when it comes to the battle against terrorism during multiple interviews yesterday.
listen. >> he doesn't get it, or he gets it better than anybody understands. it's one or the other. and either one is unacceptable. we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart or he's got something else in mind. and the something else in mind, people can't believe it. people cannot believe that president obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words radical islamic terrorism. there's something going on. it's inconceivable. there's something going on. whether a lot of people think that maybe he doesn't want to get it. a lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it. i happen to think that he just doesn't know what he's doing, but there are many people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it. he doesn't want to see what's really happening. >> what did you mean by that? >> well, you know, let people figure that out for themselves. to be honest with you, there certainly doesn't seem to be a lot of anger or passion when
he -- when we want to demand retribution for what happened over the weekend. there was certainly not a lot of passion. not a lot of anger. so, you know, i'll let that -- we'll let people figure it out. >> so he said, donald trump said the president of the united states and islamic terror, he knows exactly what he's doing. there's something else in his mind going on. there's something going on. there's something going on. maybe he knows exactly what he's doing. and when pressed on these conspiracy theories, when pressed after "the washington post" and others had said he is suggesting that barack obama is complicit in these killings, all he would say is, i'll let people figure that out for themselves. >> so i'm sure in washington, especially given all the
leadership we've seen over the past few weeks there will be a swift reaction, right? what would that reaction be if it were you? >> i would have never endorsed him in the first place. i've said that. >> if you did, you would have probably revoked your endorsement by now. >> the racism for the indiana judge. this man is bad news, my fellow republicans in washington. this only gets worse. i tried to help you last week. tried to help you again this week. save your party. save our party and speak truth to power. speak truth to -- why aren't more republicans willing to stand up and be counted. this is a time of crisis, not only for you, not only for your conservative movement but also for your country. stand and be counted. this is getting worse by the day. nicolle, our republican party now led by a man who implied all
day yesterday that barack obama was complicit in one way or the other. conspired. one way or the other with islamic radicals and knows exactly what he's doing, and i'll let people figure out for themselves what i'm saying. if you're paul ryan, how do you not withdraw your endorsement today? if you are mitch mcconnell who suggested he might. he said i'm going to give this guy a couple of weeks to straighten it out. i can see mitch mcconnell doing it today. >> scott brown in attendance at his speech in new hampshire. listen, a lot of people fell in line after his sort of stunning political achievement of sweeping the republican primaries, and they all have to answer. not just to their party and constituents but to their wives and children. i mean, this is -- this is a colossal -- >> how does this make you feel as a republican? >> listen, i've been in the ten-step program since december. >> i know, but this isn't about
trump now. this is about paul ryan. this is about mitch mcconnell. this is about congressmen, congresswomen, senators. >> it makes me proud that the president i worked for said he wouldn't go to the convention. i think some have taken a stand but it certainly looks like they came out on the right side of history. just as a political tactician. yesterday i made a point of watching a day in donald trump's communications activity because i wanted to sort of understand it. they as a campaign worked on a speech for which there was a prepared text that was distributed, and the speech was delivered on a teleprompter riddled with its own problems of racism toward muslims and religious intolerance. but that was the planned message of the day. so i'm befuddled by what it is they are trying to communicate.
i'm told he refuses to step back at all from doing these kinds of interviews where he trots out his conspiracy theories. there was a message of the day from -- >>riddled as you said with problems, factual problems. you go through it, literally. identify this guy as -- >> the shooter is an afghan. >> born in new york 27 years ago. >> somebody really needs to help him out. get a map. i hear you guys did it with sarah palin. somebody needs to get a map. put it in front of donald trump and, first of all, explain the difference between indiana and mexico. and now i guess we're going to have to figure out the difference between afghanistan and queens. because astoria, when the sunlight hits it just right it looks a lot like kabul. you go in there. i think there's an "l" that cuts right through kabul.
here's donald trump yesterday not telling the truth. wow. >> the killer, whose name i will not use or ever say, was born in afghan, of afghan parents who emigrated to the united states. his father published support for the afghan taliban. the only reason the killer was in america in the first place was because we allowed -- >> stop, stop, stop. don't even play any more. >> now richard haas, he did the same -- >> we don't even know how to ask you too you to analyze. >> last week he said the judge is mexican. and jake said, no, he was born in indiana. a total lie. he had no problem lying. and here he's going, well, he's born in afghanistan. no, he was born --
>> he was born in afghan? he was born in queens, new york. right by the -- >> we are sorry you have to -- >> i know you'd rather talk about brexit. why don't we -- which by the way, donald trump doesn't know what brexit is. why don't we talk about as this deepens, as this crisis deepens, just how bad do world leaders see this development in american democracy? >> well, around the world, people are looking at us, and this is, shall we say drarks , t dramatically at odds. they can't understand why we are where we are. what we said yesterday, besides the insinuations which you've been talking about quite properly was the speech. and the speech essentially cast the entire issue as one of immigration. large numbers were coming in. they weren't being screened.
and what we needed to do was shut down immigration. we do a lot of screening. the number coming in as refugees are a trickle. and the answer is not to shut down immigration. the answer is to better integrate those who are already here. these are not problems caused by immigrants. the issues we have are individuals. we don't know what degree of emotional disturbance or political agenda. how do we build ties to these communities? >> these communities self-police. there's no way the fbi and law enforcement can solve this problem for us. you have 3 million americans. we'll not have 3 million fbi agents on these people. we've got to have individuals, first of all, not get radicalized. >> the key here is the buy-in. you have to have the buy-in from muslim americans. you have to have a buy-in from mosques. you have to have a buy-in where people believe they are part of the american fabric every bit as
much as you and me. and that's the problem with muslim bans. that's the problem with the demonization. and it makes the fbi's challenge a lot more difficult, mika. >> alex, do we have a part of his speech that makes sense? here's -- we'll try again. >> -- for a ban after san bernardino and was met with great scorn and anger. but now many years, and i have to say many years, but many are saying, that i was right to do so. and although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on. we have to do it. it will be lifted, this ban, when and as a nation we're in a position to properly and perfectly -- >> hold on a second. here's a problem, though. he's talking about the muslim ban. san bernardino? american citizen.
and now here we have, of course, what happened in orlando, an american citizen. what he's talking about has absolutely nothing to do with orlando. this guy was born in new york. lived in florida. and he's talking about -- >> his parents came here in 1980. his parents are -- >> it's about a second generation thing with him. are we talking about deporting now? >> he mentioned san bernardino. one of the key aspects of san bernardino is the day after the san bernardino massacre, december rd, 2014, 54 united states senators, a majority of them, voted not to extend -- voted to turn down a proposal that would have allowed the fbi to check on people on the terrorist watch list who wanted to buy a gun. >> right. >> they voted against it. you can be on the terrorist watch list, you can go in and buy a long gun, hand gun.
>> was this guy on the terror watch list? >> he was on briefly. >> on and taken off. still ahead -- on teleprompter and off message. we'll bring in katy tur with her reporting on some of donald trump's more wild comments yesterday. plus, in the wake of this weekend's attacks, gun sales of the ar-15 spike. tom costello and brian sullivan join us with their reporting on america's most popular rifle. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. o start it. (jon bon jovi) with directvth. ♪ you see, we've got the power to turn back time ♪ ♪ so let's restart the show that started at nine ♪ ♪ and while we're at , let'sgi ♪ and give her back the g she liked before you ♪ ♪ey, that's t t power to turn back time. ♪ (vo) get the ultimate all-included bundle. call 1-800-directv. i'm terhe is.at golf.
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clinton wants to allow radical islamic terrorists to pour into our country. they enslave women and murder gays. i don't want them in our country. >> i remember how it felt on the day after 9/11. we had each other's backs. i was a senator from new york. there was a republican president, a republican governor and a republican mayor. we did not attack each other. we worked with each other to protect our country and to rebuild our city.
>> 26 past the hour. contrasting messages from hillary clinton and donald trump. mike barnicle and steve rattner back at the table and joining us, katy tur covering the trump campaign. you were at trump's speech yesterday and have been fact checking. >> there were a number of inaccuracies in that speech and a number of accuracies. he talked about hillary clinton wanting to get rid of the second amendment. this is something he says all the time. that's not entirely true. she's for more restrictions on guns but never said i want to get rid of the second amendment. in terms of immigration, he talked about how there's no checks and balances on that. that's not true. there are checks and balances. and he also talked about the shooter being born in afghan, which seemed to be a misspeak but it's one they did not correct, even in subsequent tweets or questions for a correction. the guy was born in queens, just
a few miles from where donald trump was born in queens. so -- >> very far from afghanistan, just like the judge was born in indiana. >> yeah. well, the speech was a lot of red meat. a lot of dog whistling for folks that might be scared about what's going on in terms of radical terror and it was a lot of blaming muslims for what's going on and casting doubts on whether they are really american and whether they are on the side of this country or if they're secretly fighting for somebody else or letting others go and commit mass murder. >> so mika, sometimes some tactics worked in the primary that we said wouldn't work in the general election. a couple of polls suggest this line of attack not working. a shocking poll, one of the more shocking polls, but it shouldn't be shocking because people have been telling me it was going to be this way for a long time.
a poll that's come out now has actually donald trump and hillary clinton tied at 35%. that is utah, one of the reddest states in america tied at 35% between donald trump and hillary clinton. also, of course, mike barnicle, a national poll that has hillary clinton up seven points. that is quite a change. not so long ago, donald trump, a month ago, was actually ahead. >> the utah number is -- that's almost lethal. >> utah. >> but i think in utah there's a set of slightly special circumstances in that the utah people really have a problem -- mormons really have a problem with donald over the family values and social issues and things like that. but nonetheless, the polls are very striking. >> something that can become a drag in the fall if this continues in the deep south as well. you remember george w. bush on
friday. news came out that he had a dui arrest back in the 1970s. the bush team calculated, because he was ahead three points or so over gore on that friday going into the weekend. calculated that cost him hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of evangelical votes. so we'll see if that's happening in utah right now is just a sign of things to come. >> you seem almost like you can't even -- you don't know how to characterize these statements he's making. >> yesterday was -- felt like a marathon at the end of the day. felt like you've been running for the entire day. and after it all, you department quite know what to say. >> you feel like there's a change in trump's temperament that it's always been volatile? what we have sensed knowing him for as long as we've known him
is that over the past couple of weeks, there has been a change in temperament. a short fuse has gotten even shorter. yesterday banning "the washington post." sticking to this mexican judge argument. and then a lot of this bizarre -- it seems like things are getting more bizarre. >> an empty rally in richmond. >> and i will say we've seen smaller crowds at his rallies for the past three or four that we've been to, which is unusual, which makes me wonder if this is just the primaries are over and people are in their summer lag or if there does seem to be less of an excitement about donald trump than there were during the primaries. i think we have to wait and see how that pans out. i do think there's been a change. i think the campaign and the candidate himss frelf from conversations i've been having, they don't feel they're being treated fairly or given the amount of recognition they should have been given for winning on such a shoe string budget, with such a small team
and in such a surprising way. >> they feel that right now? >> they feel they aren't getting enough credit for that. i don't believe that they fully understood, and this is the same thing that operatives behind the scenes tell me what it is like to be in a general election and what it is like to become the presumptive nominee. suddenly there aren't other candidates out there with reporters following every one of those candidates. all of the reporters are following two folks. and one of them is hillary clinton and the other is donald trump. >> a victory lap. they want a victory lap. you don't get a chance to get a victory lap when you are elected president of the united states. in fact, every president, democratic and republican, that's why barack obama who get the most fawning press in 2008 got elected and then was shocked when the press woke up and started to do their job when he became president. for donald trump to wonder why people didn't give him a victory
lap. everybody said it's nothing short of amazing. now it really is nothing short of amazing. and yet they knew, steve rattner. they knew they had to make the turn. the family knew he needed to make the turn. manafort knew he needed to make the turn. lewandowski knew he needed to make the turn but nobody can control donald trump. it all comes down to donald trump. >> totally. manafort as recently as sunday on one of the sunday shows i heard him say he's got to make the turn. i hope and i believe he will. but he hasn't. whether he believes this has got him where it got him to and there's no need to make the turn, you can just continue to play this game or what. >> i was speaking to operatives, and they are -- i said this before. they're pulling their hair out. when is that turn going to happen? there's very little faith at this point it's going to happen. one told me yesterday that donald trump, that extreme
rhetoric, he's preaching to the choir. the choir isn't enough to get him elected. >> the choir is smaller. >> he's preaching to the choir, and the choir is getting smaller. >> we have never seen, none of us have ever seen, ever witnessed a campaign for president of the united states where the candidate for president is so self-absorbed. >> i think the candidate is getting smaller. >> the level of self-absorption in his campaign, all about him, is stunning. >> i looked back at all of his tweets after tragedies. specifically after terrorist attacks. and there's a definitive pattern. there's a definite pattern there. the first thing he does, often before he offers any condolences is to kong gratulate himself, pat himself on the back -- >> after a terror attack. >> then he casts doubt on muslims and then extends that doubt to barack obama or then goes on to attack his opponents. in one of the circumstances, the brussels attack, that night is
when he brought up heidi cruz and said he was going to spill the beans on her. that very night was when that happened. >> katy tur, thank you very much. still ahead -- >> good luck. >> -- we'll look at the ar-15 rifle. one of the weapons used in the world shooting. the primary season officially ends today as democrats in dc head to the polls. no matter what happens, bernie sanders is set to meet today with hillary clinton. we'll talk to the man who was sanders' lone supporter in the senate, jeff merkley, as he acknowledged hillary clinton is now the nominee.
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especially in the gun battle? times like this. >> it's like you noted, we had a tragic situation at the community college in oregon, and these events happen with regularity. but this is the worst of the worst. and my heart just goes out to the people of orlando, the lgbt community there and nationwide. this type of vicious hate crime. >> the thing, it seems to me, that we're not talking about taking away the second amendment. obviously, i would be the most conservative on gun issues, but there are some 80/20, 90/10 issues that can't even pass congress. background checks that would stop domestic abusers from being able to get guns. background checks that would stop people convicted of hate crimes from getting automatic weapons -- semiautomatic
weapons. background checks that would stop people on the terror watch list, the no-fly list from getting -- from being able to go out and buy military style semiautomatic weapons. this is something the overwhelming majority of americans, including republicans, support. why can't there even be an honest debate in congress? >> absolutely, you're right. and my home state is a state where the gun culture is very strong. we hunt. we target practice. we compete. but we also are a state where the citizen s voted to extend background checks in a statewide initiative. it's also a state where the state legislature filled in the craigslist loophole. we know that background checks may not have stopped this event. it may not stop a lot of events, but it will stop some and doing them in an effective, comprehensive manner, including
craigslist sales or sales through gun shows makes a lot of sense. so does restricting the size of magazines. the magazines are restricted to something like three shells for duck hunting and at least when somebody is changing a magazine in a terrible situation, there's perhaps an interruption, perhaps a chance for the person to be overpowered. >> before we go, on quinnipiac poll out shows 90% of americans support background checks, increased background checks. almost 6 in 10 americans, and i'm not even talking about this, support a ban on assault-style weapons. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> that's a great segue to my question. so senator, obviously as we've talked about this has not passed. it's never even gotten close to passing and we've had tragedy after tragedy. here with the biggest tragedy
since 9/11. is there any possibility, particularly that we're in an election year that congress might actually do something, anything on these various pieces of the puzzle that moft americans support fixing? >> well, i must say i've been here long enough now, not to be optimistic. we had a push by -- in a bipartisan fashion that joe mentioned ee eed -- manchin wa involved in. but the votes appear to be there. it should be debated. it should be fully discussed. and we also, if i can pivot down to florida, it's important for folks to realize that the type of hate and prejudice that motivated this individual is still fed by the discrimination we have in so many states. in florida you can be fired from your job because you are gay or lesbian. you can be kicked out of a
restaurant or theater. you can be kicked out of rental housing. we need to end discrimination around this country. fully embrace our constitutional vision of opportunity for every single american, and maybe that will do at least something to send the message to virtually everyone that that's our culture is to embrace opportunity for all. >> so mike barnicle, this is a cbs poll out in october of the latest one they took of this. 92% of americans favor background checks. republicans, 87% of republicans support background checks. 87%. this is a 9 in 10 issue for even republicans. >> it's not a 90/10 issue in the united states senate. 54 senators voted against the right for the fbi to arrest people who are on the watchlist trying to buy a gun. rejected it two years ago. so before we let you go on
another topic, later today your guy, bernie sanders, is scheduled to meet with secretary clinton. you seem to have a particularly vulnerable republican opponent making himself more vulnerable each and every day. what are the odds of senator sanders just landing his plane now and getting on as a joint effort against donald trump? >> he said he'd run his campaign through the d.c. primary. that primary is today. there are memos being exchanged between the parties. the conversations are under way. and they need each other for the big ideas that bernie sanders put forward that resonated so powerfully in the grassroots. to be advanced they need to be woven into the dna of the party and the presidential campaign. and for hillary clinton to benefit from the grassroots energy of those individuals, she needs to pull them in. so i'm really optimistic about the conversation between the two of them. there's a lot of mutual
advantage in working closely together. they both have to reach out to make that happen. >> jeff merkley, thank you for being on the show. up next on "morning joe," -- >> normally we might sell three or four a day. but we've been selling about ten an hour and right around lunchtime about 15 an hour. >> sales of rifles like the ar-15 like the one in orlando and newtown, connecticut. how it became known as america's most popular rifle. keep it right here on "morning joe."
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this is my rifle. >> the ar-15 was once exclusive to colt. >> there are many like it, but this one is mine. >> but today the name refers to a general style of gun. that's allowed dozens of u.s. manufacturers to get into the game. helping make the ar, usually priced between one and two grand, one of the best selling firearms in america. >> that was from cnbc's documentary from three years ago on the ar-15. an ar-15 style rifle was one of the guns used in the orlando nightclub massacre and has also been the murder weapon in other mass shootings in the u.s. we'll get to the host of that cnbc documentary in a minute but first let's go to tom costello live at a gun range in chantilly, virginia. talk about the popularity of this weapon with gun owners.
>> absolutely. blue ridge arsenal here in chantilly. very nice people here. they make the point this ar-15 style weapon is a semiautomatic gun. it is not a machine gun. that means you have to pull the trigger for each individual round you fire. they call this america's most popular rifle, and it is very popular for target practice like this. it's also a favorite target for gun control advocates. it is powerful and precise. and like any gun, deadly. the bullets that tore through the pulse nightclub came from an ar-15 style weapon. now itself a target. >> they're designed to kill as many people as possible. it is not a hunting gun. it is not a gun that needs to be on our streets. >> but the ar-15 is also one of america's most popular guns used mostly for hunting and target shooting. >> all i have to do is take the magazine out, put another magazine and i'm ready.
>> that takes you three seconds. >> if that. >> katie meyers is a former police officer who teaches gun safety. the bullets used in an ar-15 are usually smaller than those in a .45 caliber handgun. >> i can create more damage using a handgun. the bullet holes from the .45 are this top target here. the bullet holes from the 223 are here. >> reporter: what can make it so deadly is it can hold much more ammunition in the magazine. >> all the magazines for an ar-15, 30, 60, 100, just the same as buying a loaf of bread in the u.s. no restruction on the magazine. >> selling for $250 to $2,000 each, ar-15 sales took off after the assault weapons ban was lifted in 2004. today americans own 5 million to 10 million of them but they've been used in 14 mass murders including aurora, sandy hook,
roseberg, oregon, san bernardino, and now orlando. just six states restrict or prohibit them. buyers must show three thunderstorms of i.forms of i.d. and pass a background check. >> do you ever have someone coming in that you think shouldn't be buying a weapon like this? >> we turn people down all the time. we say, i'm sorry, but we can't sell you a weapon. >> reporter: omar mateen had to wait three days to legally purchase the weapon but there was no waiting for the ar-15. you hear a lot of responsible gun owners say they enjoy this gun for target practice. they enjoy teaching their kids to responsibly fire a gun. to handle a gun. and there's an awful lot of anger and resentment that this weapon which they enjoy has been used for mass murder yet again. >> tom costello, thank you. let's bring in cnbc's brian sullivan. that's an incredible piece tom just put together.
it's chilling. >> so tell us what you learned. >> we did the documentary a couple of years ago. the size of the ownership of this gun. ar-15 is a type of gun. people think ar stands for assault rifle. it stands for armalight, the gun that invented it. there's hundreds of different manufacturers, which is why the price point is so different. 5 million to 10 million homes owned. the sales of this gun doubled from 2008 to 2010. >> why? >> they doubled. >> barack obama's election? >> perhaps. also a financial crisis. people got scared. we don't know. but it was a type of a gun. and it is exceptionally widely owned and exceptionally easy to customize and it's light. >> every time there's a fear of a ban, a false fear of like saying the government coming after guns or the second amendment being abolished as donald trump falsely claimed yesterday, hillary clinton
wanted to do, there's always a surge. >> well, yeah. and that's connected whenever there's always one of these events. people think there's a mass murder, there's going to be a ban on them and they rush out and buy them. >> smith & wesson's stock grew 7% yesterday. a lot of talk about gun control. understand that. in our documentary we showed a guy making ar-15 parts with a 3d printer. if congress wants to get ahead of this issue, it's not just about the purchasing of the guns. it will be because of technology, about the making -- i shot an ar-15 that was assembled with 3d printed parts three years ago. i fired it myself. and it works. >> oh, my gosh. >> didn't work well, but it worked. why buy them if you can make them at home? >> and you said if congress gets ahead of -- congress is not interested in getting ahead of anything. >> good luck. >> they're really in touch with the american people. >> thank you so much, brian. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." (man) oh, looks like we missed
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forth with. >> president bush went to a muslim community center just six days after the attacks to send a message of unity and solidarity. to anyone who wanted to take out their anger on our muslim neighbors and fellow citizens, he said that should not and that will not stand in america. it is time to get back to the spirit of those days. the spirit of 9/12. >> time to talk about what we learned today. >> hillary clinton has never sounded better. i'll leave it there. >> you said yesterday pitch perfect. she seems to be finding her voice. >> the majority of gun crime is committed with illegally bought guns but the mass killings with
legally bought. >> donald trump doesn't seem to get it in terms of how to be a presidential candidate and where the country is at the this moment. >> i learned from new york police commissioner bill bratton the 54 united states senators who made it impossible for anyone on the terror watch list to be precluded from buying a gun, that he could make a case against them for aiding and abetting terrorism. >> all right. >> well, that would be interesting. n he should do it. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." but stick around. chris jansing picks up the coverage live from orlando right now. good morning from orlando. a city still shattered by what happened here just over 48 hours ago. the shooting that left 49 people dead and an entire nation searching for answers. president obama is expected to address the shooting when he speaks just before noon today following a meet with the national security council. he is also scheduled a trip to
this city on thursday to pay respects to the victims' families and show solidarity with this community. meantime, the investigation continues. later today, fbi director james comey and homeland security secretary jeh johnson will brief house members on what they know so far. but here's johnson from this morning on the "today" show. >> it is barely more than 48 hours after the attack. it's still early. we're learning a lot right now. the fbi is aggressively investigating this right now in florida. i suspect we'll know a lot more in the coming days and hours. >> this morning we're learning more about the gunman. 29-year-old omar mateen. the fbi says he was radicalized. but his motives for the shooting are still unclear. and the fbi says while it is aware of reports that mateen had been to pulse before, many times, and he had reached