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divides us. >> today tributes poured in from around the world, including from secretary of state john kerry and from hillary clinton and gabby giffords who nearly died herself in an eerily similar event. she was shot by an attacker while she met with her own constituents in arizona. jo cox was only 41 years old. she leaves behind a husband and two kids. that does it for us. now it is time for "the last word." >> it was great to see the leader of that filibuster actually summon the strength to come on television tonight. >> i couldn't believe it. i know. >> how is he still on his feet or even sitting in his chair talking to you. >> he couldn't leave the senate floor and he could not sit down. he did that for 15 straight hours. got five minutes of sleep and
was still going tonight. >> i was riveted to it. donald trump is now telling republican leaders who oppose him to be quiet, just be quiet. those are his actual words. one republican who refuses to be quiet joins us tonight and she has a few words to say about chris christie who has her old job as governor of new jersey. that the very moment last night senator chris murphy was ten hours and 39 minutes into a filibuster unlike any i have ever seen. there had never been a filibuster about gun control before, so that made it historic as soon as it began, but something else happened last night that i've never seen before. the filibuster worked. chris murphy cracked the wall of republican resistance to even voting on any kind of gun safety
measure and in today's united states senate controlled by the most unreasonable senate majority in history, the senate that won't even give a supreme court a vote, in that senate, what happened last night was a big victory, a victory won by one democrat who decided to stand up to 54 republicans because he just couldn't take it anymore. >> this debate needs to change. it's outgrown the old political stalemates. >> we want to make sure something like this doesn't happen again. everybody wants that. >> all of us are vulnerable and we have to shut it down. >> this was an old-fashioned filibuster. >> a campaign takathon out here on the senate floor. >> it doesn't take courage to stand here on the floor of the united states senate. it takes courage to look into the eye of a shooter and instead
of running wrapping your arms around a 6-year-old boy. >> if we fail to act, then members of this congress will have blood on our hands. >> the fact that mitch mcconnell is moving to give us a vote shows he must be feeling some pressure. >> we're going to take a deep breath and make sure this is done correctly. >> don't be a chicken. put your name on the line in your vote. >> i hope senators rise to the moment and do the right thing. >> what can you do to make sure that orlando or sandy hook never, ever happens again? i yield the floor. >> this is the "last word" on campaign 2016. the united states senate is a very conservative workplace and i'm not using the word conservative in a political
sense. i mean behaviorially. they don't take chances. they don't rock the boat. they have spent their lives plotting their way to the united states senate and plotting very carefully. most of them are not the kids that get in trouble in high school. they're not the rebels. they're the class presidents. they're the kids who wore neckties when no one else did. chris murphy has the classic profile of a united states senator. he was student body president at weathersfield high school in connecticut. he carried a briefcase in high school and founded the young democrats at his high school. at any high school movie chris murphy with that briefcase would be the predictable square who never has a slightly interesting
moment on screen. chris murphy didn't go off into the world seeking adventure and looking for a path in life. he always knew what he was going to do. he was elected state representative when he was 26. he was elected state senator when he was 30. went to the house of representatives at 34. along the way, he picked up a wife and two kids. that is the classic senate resume. there was no clue in that resume that chris murphy would do what he did last night. that resume says chris murphy got to the senate by playing it safe. that resume says chris murphy is not a rebel, but the single most rebellious action available to a senator is the filibuster. most senators wouldn't dream of filibustering and never do. years go by in the senate without a filibuster. there are three reasons senators don't filibuster.
one, it's not who they are. they are not disruptives. that's not who they are. most of them are not that way. the second reason senators don't filibuster is that most of their colleagues will hate them for doing it and they know that. and the third and most important reason, most important reason, is that filibusters don't work. when you stand up in the senate and filibuster in a way you are just admitting your weakness. there's nothing you can do. you have run out of moves. you have nothing. and your opponents know that all they have to do is wait for you to give up and they always give up. that's all they have to do. the opponents go back to their offices or they go home and they wait for you to get tired and sit down and they give you nothing. absolutely nothing of what you're trying to accomplish.
that is the typical outcome of a filibuster. absolutely nothing. that is not what happened last night. at 11:21 a.m. yesterday morning, chris murphy stood up in the united states senate and began speaking to a body where a nominee for the supreme court cannot get even a vote in a committee or on the floor. he was speaking to a body where sensible gun legislation cannot even get a vote and that's all he wanted, a vote. sure, he'd like to win the vote, but you can't win anything in the senate without a vote. the president and the senate democratic leadership have been unable to get a vote for a supreme court nominee, but the junior senator from connecticut who attended the funerals of the 20 children massacred at sandy
hook elementary school, the senator who has bonded with the families of those children, families who he met in the worst possible circumstances, that senator had had enough. he couldn't take it anymore. he couldn't sit back and watch the united states senate do nothing once again after our latest massacre. he couldn't take it. not for another day. not for another hour. and 11:20 not for another minute, and so he rose and he held the floor. now filibusters might not look like much to the outside world. men in suits and ties, well-dressed women, standing at podiums talking endlessly. but in the senate, because filibusters are so rare and unprofessional in a way, everyone in the senate stares stunned usually back in their
offices watching it on tv. and it becomes the height of drama in the senate. this collection of very conservative people stare amazed that one of them is doing something unpredictable, one of them is doing something disruptive to all of them. one of them is rebelling against the way the senate is doing its business. everyone in the senate watching begins with the same questions. why is he doing this? who does he think he is? everyone thinks it's a waste of time. everyone thinks it's hopeless. and that's because it always has been, but not last night. last night as chris murphy carried on past midnight 12 hours on the floor everyone in the senate knew that it was working. the filibuster was working. chris murphy was doing what he had come to the floor to do.
he was shaming the united states senate. >> the failure of this body to do anything, anything at all, in the face of that continued slaughter isn't just painful to us. it's unconscionable. >> as the day wore on yesterday, more and more democrats came to the senate floor to help chris murphy, to help chris murphy by making comments and asking him long questions that allowed senator murphy to rest his voice. that's playing within the rules of the filibuster. he can entertain questions and the longer the questions, the bigg bigger favor you're doing him by allowing him to rest a little bit. mitch mcconnell realized as this went on he had to do something. he was going to have to give chris murphy a vote. republican john cornyn was
dispatched to negotiate with demonstrate dianne feinstein about a bill to prevent people on the terror watch list from buying guns. while those negotiations were going on, pat toomey went to the senate floor to support senator murphy and the crack in the republican wall was now open. now you measure victories in washington not by getting everything you want. that never happens. i once heard the senator i used to work for tell a newcomer to washington that if he was serious about making governing progress on the things he cared about, he was going to have to stay at this for 30 years. now when you've learned to look at progress that way, 30-year curves, slow, inch by inch, hard won progress, what happened last night in the senate was the stuff of real drama. a junior senator stands and will
not sit down until he moves the entire body and he wins. is america safer today because of chris murphy's win last night? not today, but america inched closer to being safer today. and we know where america would be if chris murphy did not stand up yesterday. think about that. imagine chris murphy did not stand up. tonight america would be left with the worst feeling we can have as a country, hopelessness. progress is no longer possible. we'd be left with the feeling that we can't do the kinds of things that we used to do when the united states senate worked as it was designed and the house of representatives worked the way the founding fathers expected it too. hopelessness is never instantly replaced with a bright sunrise
of hope. first, there is that tiny glimmer of hope that we can barely see through that wall of hopelessness. and as the clock moved past 2:00 a.m. on the senate floor, that glimmer was then bright enough for everyone in the senate to see. chris murphy took the senate back to sandy hook elementary school and told them the story of a teacher's aide anna marie murphy and a 6-year-old dylan hof hoffey where they were murdered by an assault rifle. >> when adam lanza walked into that classroom and aimed his military-style assault weapon with clips attached to it
holding 30 bullets, ann marie murphy probably had a chance to run or to hide or to panic and instead ann marie murphy made the most courageous decision that any of usimagine. instead of running, instead of hiding, instead of panicking, ann marie murphy found dylan hockley and embraced him. you know why we know that? because when the police entered the classroom, that's how they found dylan hockley dead. wrapped the embrace of ann marie murphy. it doesn't take courage to stand
here on the floor of the united states senate for two hours or six hours or 14 hours. it doesn't take courage to stand up to the gun lobby when 90% of your constituents want change to happen. it takes courage to look into the eye of a shooter and instead of running wrapping your arms around a 6-year-old boy and accepting death as a trade for just a tiny, little, itty piece of peace of mind for a little boy under your charge. so this has been a day of questions, and so i ask you all this question. if ann marie murphy could do
that, then ask yourself what can you do to make sure that orlando or sandy hook never, ever happens again. with deep gratitude to all those who have endured this very, very late night, i yield the floor. >> i'm joined by my guests. david corn, that final question that chris murphy asked the senate, what can you do, when phrased in the context of what this heroic teacher's aide did is the single best question and challenge i've ever heard put to the senate. >> i get choked up listening to him. i was fortunate enough to be
able to talk to him a few minutes ago. and he told me not a day goes by when he doesn't think of dylan hockley. usually when a senator tells you that, you don't believe him, but i believed senator murphy when he told me that. and we have a lot of back and forth on the gun policy debate and there hasn't been much progress in years. and you see the frustration of the president when he has come out time and time again after these horrific events and he has pushed for legislation and been shot down by mainly republicans in the house. i would like to flip it to the republicans and say, what have you done. if you don't like these gun safety measures promoted by other democrats, show me one step you've taken to make an event like orlando, newtown, or
anything like that a little less likely. what have you done? the real answer is nothing. not that they don't care. they don't really see it as their mission to do anything legislatively that would increase safety when it comes to guns. there are a lot of different options other than the two measures senator murphy is advocating for this week. there used to be republicans who cared about gun policy matters and who worked with democrats. there are still a handful left. you saw pat toomey, but it is very, i think, discouraging and sad, even on a day of this partial victory, that republicans are so ad hoc to the nra and the gun lobby and a small slice of their base that really does cling to their guns that they can't take any steps forward or be imaginative and think about doing things
differently. >> matt valentine, one of the issues being negotiated is if somebody is on the terror watch list, what is the procedure for getting them off the terror watch list and then able to buy a gun. the democrats have proposed one procedure through the justice department. some republicans say it should be better handled by a judge. what do you make of these distinctions? >> well, the distinction between those two processes for giving someone due process are a little bit putting the cart before the horse at this point because we're looking at a situation right now where not only was omar mateen able to purchase a semiautomatic rifle with high capacity magazines. he wasn't only able to purchase that rifle, but he was licensed by the state of florida to carry a concealed gun.
the system is a lot more broken than just the question of access to buy. we're seeing a permissiveness that is really revealing a vulnerability on these sorts of national security issues of radicalized people that cannot only acquire a gun easily, but actually be licensed by the state to carry that gun anywhere at any time. >> and david cornyn, it seems like the first place you'd go after 9/11 would be the first place you go in terms of defense against domestic terrorism. >> it seems. if we're moving to a new form of terrorism, lone wolf terrorists, who don't have the grand mission ofkyscrapers, but want to admit terror in neighborhoods with sole
individuals, it is incredibly unfortunately easy to do that in our open society, particularly when there is open access to guns that have these tremendous capacities. there's a reason why the ar-15 has largely been a gun of choice for terrorists who want to do these acts. it's not every terrorist that does this. if we're serious about protecting our citizens, we have to look at the guns that are being used. >> we have to leave it there for tonight. thank you both for joining us. really appreciate it. >> sure thing. coming up, republicans against donald trump, including one republican who is opposed to both donald trump and chris christie and she used to have chris christie's job. also coming up later we are going to be going to the -- well, we don't have it.
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this is the one year anniversary and we're going to make it -- hopefully, we're going to make it a worthwhile year. they're all talking about we've created a movement. a lot of people say it doesn't n make a difference what donald trump because it's never been like that before. >> we've just lived through a year of donald trump, the candidate. there he was speaking tonight in texas. seems the candidate has been spending more and more time these days taking on republicans. i mean, nonstop taking on republicans instead of hillary clinton, who he is supposed to be running against. house speaker paul ryan continues to struggle every day with the latest nutty thing that donald trump has said. >> mr. trump yesterday said this addressing congressional leaders like yourself. be quiet and just please be
quiet. don't talk. what is your reaction to that and is this -- how do you have any confidence that this is a guy who is going to have respect for separation of power? >> you can't make this up sometimes. i'll just say we represent a separate but equal branch of government. >> joining us now, david french writer for the initial review and rick wilson, a veteran of four presidential campaigns, including the bush for president 2000 campaign. rick wilson, this plane is not flying any smoother than it ever was. i mean, this thing about, oh, there's going to be a new trump. i mean, everyone has given up on that, right? outside the trump campaign and republican politics, everybody knows there's never going to be a new trump. >> no, there is no better version of donald trump. there is no presidential version of donald trump. the trump plane isn't getting
out of the ditch. the members of congress who having to defend him every day, they're increasingly uncomfortable. as his poll numbers go down, his crazy goes up. >> let's take a look at what john kasich said this morning on "morning joe." >> donald trump called me. he said, you know, can you support me. we're like two companies. we have different values, different visions. kind of hard to put that together. either there's going to be dramatic change or i can't find my way there. >> david french, it seems like there may be plenty of republicans out there who envy john kasich in that he did not endorse donald trump, he didn't rush to do that. john kasich got to see trump make all sorts of mistakes in the weeks since john kasich hasn't endorsed him. it must look pretty good to the
guys who did endorse donald trump. >> those who endorsed him in that tiny blip of time when he was within striking distance of hillary clinton, they have to be regretting that. a good man and donald trump is like oil and water. it will not last. they will separate. you see the anguish with paul ryan. it's written all over his face. this can't last. donald trump is going to continue to be donald trump so long as paul ryan continues to be the paul ryan that many of us have respected for a long time. a break is going to have to happen here. >> rick wilsowilson, just as a professional republican strategist, what would say is the best way for paul ryan to handle this situation for both his future as a speaker of the house and his future as a potential presidential candidate? >> he needs to tear the band-aid off and he needs to do it soon. he needs to say, look, i gave
him every chance in the world. i worked with him. i counselled him. i begged to accept good solid advi advice. >> why is that good strategically for paul ryan? what's the benefit he gets from doing that? >> look, if he rides this plane down into the explosion, he's going to be marked forever. there's a narrow window where they can say, wow, i really thought he would improve. he thought he would do better. i thought he would change and he didn't. he's never going to change. he's not capable of it mentally. i made a wrong decision. it's better to take the hit for saying i made the wrong decision and tear the band-aid off and get it over with than to try to be marked by this guy, where trump is probably going to lose in a spectacular mondalesque way. >> prior to trump, prior to one year ago, which seem like distant old days, when you had a
troublesome person at the top of the ticket for some people, let's say a liberal at the top of a democratic ticket could be difficult for the democrat running in georgia, the idea always was, look, run as far away from the person at the top of the ticket as you have to to get elected. say as little about that person as possible. why isn't that good enough in this situation? >> well, you know, to borrow a phrase, politicians in the past have been wrong, but they've been wrong within normal parameters. donald trump is wrong way outside the normal parameters. you have republican office holders saying, yes, i'm aware that donald trump is racist. vote for him anyway. that is an untenable position. you cannot make that position morally to the american people. that's why this is different. >> rick wilson, thanks for
joining us. david french, welcome to the program for the first time. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, let's say you're a reasonable republican and let's say you used to be governor of new jersey. what are you thinking these days about chris christie and donald trump? we're going to find out next from former governor christine todd whitman. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under ntrol when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ality to fight infect, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, ler, andnervou, serious lergic reactions,
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the blue team, but to be on the american team. and i have to ask will responsible republican leaders stand up to their presumptive nominee? i'm sure they would rather avoid that question all together, but history will remember what we do in this moment. >> we're joined now by christine todd whitman, former republican governor of new jersey, also a former epa administrator. governor, what's your reaction to what hillary clinton just said? >> well, i agree with her in a sense. i've been saying for a while there's a time you put your country ahead of your partisanship. i do think this is a time. >> donald trump has a message for you republican leaders who agree with hillary clinton on that point. let's listen to this. >> our leaders have to get a lot tougher and be quiet. just please be quiet. don't talk. just be quiet.
they have to get tougher. they have to get sharper. they have to get smarter. we have to have our republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself. i'll do very well. i'm going to do very well. >> donald trump wants you to be quiet. >> no chance. no chance. i am too worried about what this campaign is doing to the country, what his rhetoric is, how he would make us a whole lot more vulnerable to terrorists by some of his language, some of his rhetoric talking about we're going to bomb the families of terrorists, that we're going to ban all muslims. it drives people into their camp. it is going to make it more difficult for us to protect ourselves, never mind he wants to start a trade war, which isn't going to be good for our economy. he's terrible on the environment for the most part. i just think it's going to be a bad campaign. he doesn't represent the party in which i grew up. >> one of the governors who has
followed you, governor chris christie, let's listen to what he had to say on the radio about what happened in orlando. >> it's unacceptable to allow this kind of stuff in our country and for us not to fight back and we need to fight back. that's all these people understand. >> how do you fight back? >> you've got to get over there and you've got to start making them pay where they live. it's an ugly, difficult thing, but if we don't get over there, they're coming here and they showed it again this weekend. >> first of all, i think we are over there. some people would say we've been over there far too long and we're doing a lot of bombing. we have taken out a lot isis and isil leaders. we are participating there. to say that what happened in orlando can be traced back there, you know, i think we have to be a little careful of that. he also said in that interview you've got to bomb them.
who do you bomb? this is someone whose family has been here for 30 years. it was a terrorist act because of what happened, but he was probably gay muslim. it is against the muslim religion and he couldn't handle it and he took it out on everybody. it's not to say he didn't think this approach was okay because of what he'd seen on the internet. when you have someone who says they're attached to isis and hezbollah, which are two groups that don't get along at all, tells me they're not really being influenced or putting something together because they're being told to by an outside group. i don't disagree that we've got to do something, but we're doing it. we're doing it every day. what did we miss? what could we do better? how far are we willing to go to give up our personal freedoms in order to ensure we're safe?
i would do more with guns and automatic weapons of people. >> are you in the never trump camp? >> yes. >> does that mean if you have a ballot on it with hillary clinton's name on it and donald trump's name on it -- what are you going to do it? >> i could write for someone in. i love gary johnson. i served with him as a governor, but i don't see him as a president. he would be very good in a lot of roles, but not in that one. >> is there any other third-party option developing? have republicans given up on that? >> there's an organization that is bipartisan called a better america. that is moving forward to try to obtain places on the ballots to
have 270 electoral votes. we have two presidential candidates whose negative rates are extremely high. we've just never seen this before. >> are there any last-minute strategies being discussed now on what might be doable at the convention to stop a trump nomination? >> i understand there's some talk about whether or not the convention rules would allow delegates to abstain on the first ballot so that even if they abstain, they could be free on the second ballot. i think that's going to be a difficult lift because clearly donald trump has won the republican nomination. to deny that, i think, is going to be very difficult. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure.
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the cia director issued a new warning over the threat from isis today. richard engel has the story. >> reporter: isis is bigger and more widespread than al qaeda ever was and isn't getting weaker, according to a cia assessment today. >> our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism ability and overreach. >> reporter: isis is now trying to stage its fighters into position for more violence.
>> isil is training and attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. >> reporter: militants may already be on the move. more than 30 isis fighters have been dispatched from syria to turkey, site of previous attacks and also the main gateway for isis fighters to and from the west. after the orlando massacre, president obama told the american people gains against isis are coming through an intensive air campaign and more american special forces in iraq and syria. >> this continues to be a difficult fight, but we are making significant progress. >> while the cia director today also spoke of progress, he said so far there hasn't been enough of it to make isis any less dangerous. why the increased concern now? it appears isis wants to make a big splash during the muslim month of ramadan which lasts until early july.
the group has called on its supporters to carry out attacks in their home countries. since then, there's been orlando and a murder of a police officer and his wife in france. >> thanks. coming up, john mccain has not only endorsed donald trump. he's starting to sound like him. he said that president obama is directly responsible for the orlando massacre and the funny thing is by following john mccain's own twisted logic, john mccain is directly responsible for the orlando massacre. olay total effects
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ep on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. trumpism has now infected john mccain. trumpism includes saying all sorts of outright lies and insane fabrications. john mccain plans to stay in his 80s in the united states senate, so he has to appeal to voters in arizona. he said this about the attack in orlando. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it. when you pull everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis, and isis is what it is today. >> directly responsible? >> directly responsible because he pulled everybody out of iraq and i predicted at the time that isis would go unchecked and
there could be attacks on the united states of america, so he is directly responsible. >> the logic of that makes john mccain directly responsible because he advocated the war that put troops in iraq in the first place and destabilized the entire region to put it mildly, destabilized to the point where it would fall prey to something like the islamic state. halle jackson caught up with john mccain in the hallway to see if he really meant what he said. >> i believe the fact what i said and what i meant was that the president's actions by pulling everybody out of iraq, which led then to al qaeda moving to syria, which meant the birth of isis and the president's failure to address the threat of isis has led to attacks on the united states of
america. i am saying that the president of the united states' actions were responsible. >> and then of course he backtra backtracked. that's what twitter's for. the senator's staff seeing he had gone way too far, pulled him back by issuing this tweet. i misspoke. i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself. joining us now charlie pierce, writer at large for "esquire." i'm not referring to charlie pierce himself. it is quite an elocution that john mccain came up with today, charlie, but this seems like a desperate trumpism in someone who is running in arizona. >> yeah. first of all, are we speaking
directly or personally because it makes all the difference in the world? >> going to have to ask john mccain. we'll get his read of this. >> he seems to be turning into his running mate from 2008. i didn't even think of donald trump. i thought of the woman he plucked from obscurity. he appears to be in terrific trouble in his re-election bid not only in a imary. you're looking at another build a dang fence moment. >> things were bad for the reputation of john mccain before this today. i'm thinking about to tom friedman in a column june 7th in "the new york times." he wrote, talking about john mccain, he addressed him
directly in the column, saying, you didn't break under torture by the north vietnamese, but the pressure to be re-elected is so great you'll do anything. i hope you lose. >> there's heroism in war and heroism in politics. one does not necessarily lead to another. the worst thing that john mccain ever did was run for president in 2008 because he had to walk back everything that made him an interesting politician in 2000. in 2000, he called jerry falwell all agents of intolerance. then he had to go down there and give a speech at jerry falwell's university if he wanted the
nomination. we've seen this process over and over and over again. to be perfectly honest with you, in his political life, it seems like the way to get on john mccain's good side is to say something terrible about him. >> joy reed is substituting for chris hayes. that's next. party he leads. >> we're just asking him if they can't do that, then shut the hell up. >> tonight new reporting the growing tensions between trump and the rnc. plus the president visits victims at orlando and takes on donald trump. >> the notion that the answer to this tragedy would be to make sure that more people in a nightclub are similarly armed to the killer -- defies common sense. >> then what we know about