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that does it for us tonight. we'll be back tomorrow. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> you're not the only one who can move products. >> trump ties, bar ware, i could go on and on. ♪ >> good evening on this first day paul manafort full day. hillary clinton gave a scathing speech about the economy, but the speech is really a lot
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object trump's business record and his past statements. msnbc, cnn and fox took her remarks live. these were her sharpest attacks today in columbus. >> liberals and conservatives say trump's ideas would be disasterous. the chamber of commerce and labor unions, mitt romney and elizabeth warren, economists on the right and the left and the center all agree, trump would throw us back into recession. he says women will start making equal pay as soon as we do as good a job as men. he calls himself the king of debt. his tax plan sure lives up to that name. alexander hamilton would be rolling in his grave. he's written a lot of books about his business. they all seem to end at chapter
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11. is this who you want to lead us in an emergency? someone thin skinned and quick to anger who'd likely be on twitter attacking reporters or bringing the whole regulatory system down on his critics when he should be focused on fixing what's wrong. would he even know what to do? >> unlike in the past, this time team trump replied with more than a few tweets deploying more conventional. nine press releases along with naturally a hand. of his own tweets. the candidate followed that up by posting this video on instagram. >> hillary clinton's only right about one thing. i understand debt and how to handle it. i made a fortune with debt. debt for this country is a disaster and obama has piled it on and she's been there
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watching. >> how did clinton and trump do on this first day of the new era for the trump campaign? >> well, let us note that, let's start with hillary clinton. this is part deux of the attack she launched against trump. i thought this was solid, sharp, strong and made the case she wanted to make. not as effective as that first speech. partly because that had the element of surprise. people didn't know what she was going to do and she's in a slightly more vulnerable position. in some respects it's been good and others not what people expected. she came across maybe a little more tentative. maybe a little less -- just wasn't quite as. >> they want to make this referendum on donald trump.
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i thought it was effective. it gets you thinking about trump's past statements. i thought the trump team, not perfect but solidly researched documents. they were in the discussion. priority one for trump's team is to convince people he's turned the page. today was a much different way than responding to comfort republicans. >> it's 100% clear is that the rnc was doing all of this for trump. they out sourced that rapid response. that's an encouraging sign too. there's been a lot of reports of the difficulty of integrating with the rnc. they were on board, firing stuff off. >> it's good. it's a good sign for them they were able to pull that together even though some of the claims were a little hinky.
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the post-lewandowski campaign woke up to some troubling news. trump's campaign only raised $3.1 million last month compared to 25.4 million this clinton campaign raised during the same period. trump's team had only $1.3 million in cash on hand as of the end of may compared to 42.5 million on team clinton. the trump came said his donor out reach has only just begun adding the campaign has been incredible. we continue do see a tremendous outpouring of support to mr. trump and the republican party.
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that statement hindered by the actual number. where do things stand now on day one? >> this is the period when money counts. the general election when it's join joined in full. they'll not need as much money. we should say there were two good poll numbers. they sl a narrative problem because this looks so bad. they also have a reality problem because they need be on with paid kbleed. they're raising money. the sque what do they do with it. do they just hold their breath. follow the leader. trump said this campaign doesn't start until the conventions. >> this fund raising number is horrific, abysmal, appalling.
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shocking. >> he's got less money than some house candidates. >> they're broke. the campaign is broke. it has debts. >> they've taken in money since the report. >> as the time of the filing of this report, which is the only data we have, they were in the red to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. >> he doesn't need to be paid back if he decides not to be. they're not -- >> it's a not a campaign. they have liability. those are real liabilities. they are liabilities on the books. >> yes. >> the campaign is effectively nonfunctional. there's no campaign. why are they not on the air in the battleground states? because they don't have the money to pay for the advertising. this renders this campaign non-functional. >> if they will play by the standard rules, they're going to lose. donald trump, he did pair of
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cl classic phoners where he stayed relatively on message. occasionally he did fall back to his own ways. he held a meeting with ben carson and a group of leaders from around the country. one of the attendees tweeted this out. >> she's been this the public eye for years and years, and yet there's nothing out there. there's like nothing out there. it's going to be an extension of obama but it's going to be worse. with obama you had your guard up. with hillary, you don't. it's going to be worse. >> that is what we call a trump classic. what he said is quote, we don't know anything about hillary in terms of religion. hillary clinton has talked about her faith at times. we know a fair amount about it.
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what is that performance say about trump's message discipline. >> it says he has no message discipline when job one was to take on the clinton economic speech. he finds himself in front of a group of evangelicals raising his insinuations about president obama that he's not a christian and he's a muslim. i commend mr. trump to read any biography about hill clinton, any book about bill clinton or the new york times in january when they reported a story where she talked about her methodist faith and the lead of the story is hillary clinton is methodist. she's a methodist. she was raised a methodist. she's always been a methodist. it's everywhere. type in hillary clinton and you'll discover all you need to know. >> he'll walk it back if he gets asked about it. >> again, dark conspiratorial
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instead of stuff he should be arguing. >> he's never going to get total discipline. he won't get it in the context of general election. it can throw him off message and create problems with certain voters. the press is on this stuff in way for the accountability, as we should have been more before for all candidates given how often he does it. this is, cannot be happy in trump tower if this is supposed to be how he performs. >> i've said since the turning of the page that the more important pivot is not the operational pivot, it's this pivot. today, within hour, we have him doing exactly the same stuff that people were worried about before. this will get a ton of negative press attention. it gains him nothing. not a single vote in america. >> if you lack at past practice, he panders. he thinks this is what they want
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to hear. you cannot pander in a general election when there's cameras in the room. >> it's actually not what they want to hear, most of them. we'll head to ohio in a minute. first, a quick word from our sponsors. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink msame time tomorrow, fellas!? see what the power of points can do for your business. new dr. scholl's stimulating step insoles. they massage key pressure points with each step, for all day comfort that keeps you feeling more energized. dude's got skills. new dr. scholl's stimulating step insoles.
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joining us is one of the top political fund raisers ever in the history of either party. he was mitt romney's finance chair in the last presidential campaign and he now heads paul ryan's finance operation. thank you for coming back. >> thank you. >> there's lots of talk about how donald trump's financial situation is dire.
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his campaign says it's not a problem. what's the reality of what they need to spend and what they have? >> going back four years ago, the month of may was critical for governor romney. we raised about 75 million in the same month. now is the time to be raising money. i worry that they have passed through the month of may and not performed that well on the fund raising side. >> when you say you worry about it, have you come around to trump and become a full fledged trump backer? >> no, but i'm a republican. i want them to be successful. i haven't decided what i'm going
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to do in the fall. we're raising records amount of money at team ryan. i think we're doing that because paul is talking about an agenda and a vision for america. >> is it not the case that you have to work hard. you worked really hard to raise money. it seems you have to work almost as hard to be in the state they're in. that's less than dozens of congressional candidates. they are effectively a bankrupt campaign at this point. seems you have to try to be that far in the hole. >> you would think being at the top of the ticket that you could show up to a few events and raise more money than that but i think people want a message and hear a vision. i don't think you can blame this on the operations of the campaign or the finance staff or the bundlers or the donor.
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at the end of the day, the buck stops with the candidate. >> people are saying trump should write a big check. explain the psychology, how hard it is to raise money. >> almost impossible. people say he doesn't care about the donors. he may not want this as much because he's not willing to spend the time raising the money. for someone like mitt romney or donald trump it's easier to write a check than the ask friends and colleagues to do the same. >> it seems to me he would have to go all the way and be willing to fund the entire thing or not do it at all because the minute he gives, say he gave 50 million -- >> that's not enough. >> would that be enough to
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trigger the psychology of donors saying if he gave 50 million, he can give 50 million more. >> i think people would expect more. >> he's got to commit, i'm funding the whole thing or he shouldn't write a big check. >> all throughout the primary he said i'm not going to raise money. if you look at the may report, turns out he meant what he said. talking about the judge curiel, thing he said after the orlando shooting. what are you hearing from donors in the wake of trump's bad three weeks in terms of message that you're talking about as being central? >> i think donors are really craving an opportunity to be inspired, to be led by a candidate. if more, they're not seeing
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that. just when they start to get comfortable, we hear a comment about a judge or post-orlando tragedy about himself. i think donald trump, in order to raise money, should stop talkitalk ing about trump university and start telling the american people what he will do as president in the first 100 days. >> your message i think is clearly right. let's talk about the mechanics of fund raising. should they be focusing on super pacs, the rnc, small dollar. how should they try to get out of this whole? >> i don't understand why the trump campaign has not engaged a low dollar community in terms of giving 10, 20, 50, $100. he talks about how he can gather thousands of people, why not ask them to give. it might not be thousands of dollars or tens of thousands of
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dollars per person, but if he has enough money, it will add up. ask bernie sanders. is. >> how much could he raise that way? >> he could put $100 million in the bank that way if he put an effort in. >> between november? >> yeah between now and november. he will need to get a super pac actively engaged or merge with the party and have the party begin to take over his fund raising. i think they have proven they are not capable or interested in raising money. >> well, they seem to be. they are spending fair amount of time in red states raising money. they're not rejecting the notion that they need to raise. >> if you're going to spend the time, you might as well do it well. >> he boasted about raising 12 million or so in texas on this california swing. were those impressive numbers to you? >> yeah, if those turn out to be true and he's raising that money. you have to remember, he won the primary without having to raise
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or spend too much money. largely that's your fault and the media for giving him hundreds of millions of dollars of free advertising. >> bottom line, you watch how the financial disparity, as successful you were, the financial disparity cost you enormously in these month, june and july, pre-convention. when you look at the situation now and how hard it will be to dig out of this hole, do you think it's impossible that the disp disparity is too great to make up and the political consequences will be huge? >> i think the month of may was the opportunity for him, as the presumptive nominee while hillary clinton was fighting with bernie sanders to raise a bunch of money and define his opponent. >> that month's gone and most of june. >> yeah. >> define the state of donald trump's fund raising situation in one word.
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>> one word. >> fund raising situation is. >> cin crisis. >> two words. >> just crisis. >> thank you very much. coming up, more of our interview with donald j. trump junior. he weighs in on the veepstakes. you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill?
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compare and contrast hillary clinton's torn -- foreign policy speech. >> reporter: hillary clinton intended to follow up stylistically on that national security speech where she really kind of hit a groove.
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there were some authentic moments like that. it's also trickier territory. you can tell she was less comfortable with it and it's harder to have to defend an economic recovery that has so many americans feeling like they're not part of it. that's contributed to donald trump's success, bernie sanders success. there's some inherent tension and you could sense that today. >> i know yesterday they tried to stay away from commenting on the lewandowski departure. >> reporter: it feels like, right, this is the number of e-mails i'm supposed to be getting from the presidential campaign every day. not quite yet. i'm interested to see what bryan fallon's twitter feed has to say about it. he had a jab or two there. i'm not sure you will see them
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respo respond. >> is the clinton campaign aware that donald trump raised questions about her religious faith within the last couple of hours? >> reporter: i have an inquiry out to them. so far they haven't talked about it. the reality on that is, her method of faith has been very much part of her public persona but also her private life for a long time. i think we have seen her through the course of this campaign talk about how she receives e-mails from a jesuit priest regularly and how this played a lot into the personal, authentic moments we saw during the primary campaign. i think they probably feel like they are relatively comfortable ground especially when compared to donald trump. >> in ohio as one of the most important battleground state, i know you've done some looking at the relative strength of the two candidates there and their operations. tell us about that.
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>> reporter: some of the cleveland plain dealer reporting on this is pretty good. the organization democrats here is three times the size of where republicans are. republicans are all in the same page, brooklyn, the strickland campaign. >> get out of that gail force. coming up, donald trump junior, a reprieve from yesterday. we'll be right back.
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trump movement in cleveland. you can watch that on bloomberg tv.com. yesterday i asked him about the swirling veepstakes speculation. how's the running mate process going? >> it's going great. it's complex vetting process. they love the message both untraditional as well as traditional. i think we're going to be very excited about announcing someone that will be great and turn this country around. >> do you have a hunch? >> i know the short list, but we'll get there. >> right now, if i asked you to write down, how confident are you that you know? >> i'd be close but that doesn't mean things don't change. this is a dynamic process. i'm pretty confident on who it would be. the process is still going. >> are you confident the person
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he pick, the country, the media on the left and right will say that person absolutely qualified to be president tomorrow if they need to be. >> without question. >> you're a little more new than politics to your dad. almost every answer you have given, the republicans will say that's the message we need. you're talking about changing washingt washington, about secretary clinton's record. one krcriticism of your dad is he's not being as disciplined as you are here. he's talking about trump university. he's talking about wayne newton. is that fair criticism? >> again, i think he's always going to speak his mind. i think he's always a forthright person. he's always happy to talk about anything, good, bad, indifferent. he's not going to hide away from all the things. the fact he confronts those issues and will bring them up. he's not usually randomly bringing it up.
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it's because 50 people like yourself in a room asking the question. ta a they are looking for that sound bite. because of the fact he doesn't speak from a teleprompter, he speaks like the american people. it's relevant to him at the time. the fact he's genuine about it and everything is not scripted and run through a vetting process of 10,000 super computers telling him what you want to hear. that's part of what got him here and lit be important for the general. we talk about transition, i think it will be some of that naturally. he's always going to be himself. that won over so many people. >> have you heard that suggestion or criticism saying he needs to focus more on jobs, washington change rather than -- >> you hear that from some people. these days we get to hear a lot of things. everyone and their brother in this life right now is a political expert. they have a lot less knowledge than even i do at this point.
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you hear that from some and others saying i'm happy he's saying these things. thank you for being so forward about it. if that empowers more people to speak open and honestly about it, if that gives people the proverbial guts but the guts to speak about real issues that we face, that's a good thing. this pc dialogue of everyone is great and everyone is great and it's the guns, it's the people, it's the gop, it's nonsense. there's a better word. it's two words for that one. we have to be able to have these conversations. my father's done that. he's opened up the dialogue that everyone agree are problems but have stuck their heads on the sand on. >> that's a different issue. people are critical of bringing up uncomfortable things. this is a different criticism that i hear and i suspect you hear it some is he's off on tangents. >> he'll go off on a tangent and bring it back. i think it's why he's such a good speaker.
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it's entertaining. there is an entertainment factor to him. people say what will he say next. he's speaking from his gut, his heart. there are issues that be brought up. he's changed some of it. there's a time and place where we can do that and a time and place we're talking policy. we'll keep on track and on message on that. i think he's done it well especially for someone who has been doing this all of a few months. >> thanks again to donald trump junior. when we come back, we head toward the emergency brixit. we'll talk about the uk's eu vote happening this week right after this. you do what it takes to be healthy. but can your multivitamin we'll talk about the uk's eu vote happening this week right after this. xit. we'll talk about the uk's eu vote happening this week right after this. of your immune system that's found in your digestive tract. new one a day with probiotics. your multi with more.
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bloomberg editor in chief. john, watching cameron there, you have a bunch of polls that seem to suggest the likelihood that the vote will be against brexit. the bookie seem to believe that too. give a sense of whether you think people are being overconfident that britain will stay in or some chance it will be a shocker here. >> possibly a bit. what was happening is the campaign was doing well and beginning to really gather force and then you had this tragic murder of jo cox, the mp. that changed the dynamic in a really marketed way. you had this exchange of rhetoric before people were howling at each other. the british people seem to be saying we want to get out of this. we're fed up and angry about the whole thing. there's a choice between cameron world and nigel's world. we don't like either of them but
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we're grumpy about europe. we all thought if there was a terrorist instance, if there was some kind of murder, it would probably be extremism and something to push people towards leaving. exactly the opposite has happened. >> what has been their strongest argument not for intellectuals but the voters. this is saying you have a status quo. if you take a jump any other way, it's a jump in the unknown. people talk about fear factor. in this particular case, some of it has been scare mongering. it's why would you want to do this if you're going to possible, quite probably have a recession.
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why would you want to do this? >> people arguing for staying are playing the fear card. when we first met the european union was about to happen. there was always skeptics about the erm. throughout there's been this undercurrent of skepticism. what brought it to a head that this campaign to leave gathered as much moment, at least it once had. >> time. it just ate away at them. eventually, cameron gave in and
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said we need a referendum in order to settle this problem. really, when we were there, the interesting thing is in the old days, the dreamy eyed idealist used to be the people that said europe will solve everything. i would argue that the dreamy eyed idealist are saying if we leave the union, we'll be like singapore on the out skirts of paris. >> the out come will tell the tale to large extent. what's the process said about cameron's political skill and his relationship with his constituents? >> cameron remains a slightly lucky politician. he often gets himself into terrible things and gets out of them. they want to leave and the moment they're outnumbered by
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the young and by labor voters who are supposed to vote to stay in -- >> not just the young but the younger. >> yeah, exactly. >> middle age, down. the very young. i don't know anyone on the remain side who feels sure about this. they thought they were doing well two, three weeks ago. >> talk about a couple of personalities. one is cameron himself who is maybe the leading voice or remaining in. what happens to his political prospects if he loses this vote? his argument fails to sway the nation. >> cameron loses vote, it's very difficult to imagine him staying. if he loses the vote, he's going to end up with scotland out of britain. scotland is likely to vote to
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stay in. he's an old style unionist toure. that's been the uncomfortable thing that's been stalking him. the issue for him as well is even if britain votes to remain, his problems don't necessarily stop there. unless he really wins convincing convincingly, we'll have leadership campaigns against him. if he squeaks through it, he'll end end with the issue that people say that was an election. we need to have another referendum. >> how quickly would he be gone? >> if he lost, he would be gone very quickly. you could argue, you need somebody at the top to see things through. it's very difficult to imagine the conservative parties. it's one of most ruthless
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operations. gets rid of leaders very quickly. >> let me ask you on the opposite side, one of more surprising people who came out in favor of exiting, leaving is boris johnson. clearly had ambitions greater than anybody's ambitions in the whole world. if the vote is to leave, does he ride that maybe into the leadership? >> he's also been tainted because most people who have known him for a long time think he's been pretty skeptical about europe but he probably wouldn't vote to leave. the mps have to nominate two people and then you go to the party activists. he would stand a very good chance of winning.
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however, the mps, generally, angry with him for having split the party. he might not be able to get over that first thing if he was lucky to get the second. >> who is the likely winner? >> the answer, which is a pathetic one, is almost certain someone we don't know. johnson looks damaged. the party has this record of picking rel atively unknown people. up next, we talk to the wall street editorial board. nesses bd and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals.
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>> there were about 300 conservative groups put on sies for two election cycles. they weren't told they could operate as nonprofit. we know from the treasury department that it was based on ideology. the part the people forget is in 2010, the year that started at the irs, you had letters coming in. you had the president out every day on the stump saying there's all these shady conservative group, all these tea party groups. somebody ought to do something about this and the irs did.
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do you think the kinds of things you're talking about in the book are part of this broader constellation of issues that's fueled trump? >> i think it is. they feel they can't come out and say anything. they feel in the pc realm that you're talking about. a lot of things i wrote about have been scarring to a lot of conservatives. it was quite a big deal with this wisconsin john doe probe that went on. a lot of people who care about free market groups like alec. they have felt as though there's this effort to make sure they can't speak. i'm sure that is part of trump's appeal. >> i read all your editorials about lots of things and all of them about trump. i'm wondering how would you characterize the way the board sits.
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>> we haven't endorse ed anyonen an election in a long time. our view is you get as good analysis as you can based on the things we care about. >> you weigh in occasionally. is it possible you will get to the point where you advocate it? >> i don't think we could advocate but we would say everyone has an obligation to take a look at this candidate and see if he is the best shot that that side has for enacting policies for winning. >> the governor of wisconsin said he agreed with paul ryan. scott walker said he agreed it's up to the delegate wls they want to change the rules and allow everyone to vote their conscience. how do you feel about that? >> there's an interesting point to be made that the democratic national party and republican
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national party are some of the last big, totally private organizations in the world. they do have the right to complete ly come up with their own rules. they'll have to decide if abiding by their conscience is worth the blow back. they do have the right to set those rules. >> you have been critical of trump over a long period of time. there's no way your collectivity in the way it defines trump. >> in many policy areas, his view is not what the board is in favor of. there's some things he come out and it's been very good.
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i cover energy. >> it makes it tougher to cover this race. >> congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> you can buy it now. it's called "the intimidation game." it's about free speech in america. kim, congratulations. we'll be right back. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.
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it's kind of crazy day because of us covered the trump campaign have never gotten a single rapid response. the inbox was overflowing, e-mail after e-mail. >> there's not a reporter covering the race who didn't notice it. >> it's a good sign in terms of their professionalization. >> i got an e-mail from a very experienced republican strategist who said celebrating
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this is defining the soft biggest of low expectations. it's a start. until then, we say to you sayanora. >> hardball with chris matthews is next. campaign in crisis. let's play hardball. good evening. tonight is the trump campaign in crisis? yesterday trump fired his campaign manager, a slew of new polls shows him falling behind hillary clinton anywhere from five to eight points nationally, and today, we're learning just how far behind trump is in

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