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hello, everyone. i'm kate snow here in new york. you've been listening to hillary clinton rally north carolina was the setting delivering an emphatic speech. a lot of it her typical stump speech. toward the end you heard her pivot and turn toward donald trump directly responding to some of the things we heard him say hours ago in a direct speech he attacked hillary clinton. one of the key lines just then she says trump is going after me personally because he has no answers on the substance. let's get right to nbc's kristen welker in the room there covering the clinton campaign. there were direct retowards, i think you could say, to donald trump, kristen. direct retorts. >> reporter: it was. secretary clinton fired up at the end of this speech when she directly refuted some of what donald trump said in his speech today and comments yesterday. again, to reiterate that head line. part of what you're hearing from donald trump, this rhetoric, is
because he has no answer for the allegations i made against him. she also defended the clinton foundation, her family's foundation. donald trump earlier today accusing the foundation of being a quid pro quo type of corp ratings that did favors for foreign governments that gave it money. today, clinton emphasizing, look, it's a charity that does a lot of good work. i thought one of the most astounding moments of this speech is that she went after him on the issue of religion. remember, yesterday he met with religious leaders and evangelicals and he took that swipe at secretary clinton questioning her faith. you heard her reference her methodist faith when she spoke today and moments ago she said he's taking jabs at my faith because he essentially doesn't have a real argument. her campaign has moments ago released a list of 15 facts it is checking about what donald trump said today. i anticipate you will hear a lot more of this from her surrogates
throughout the day. i think we have a little bit more of what secretary clinton had to say cued up. take a listen. >> donald trump offers no real solutions for the economic challenges we face. he just continues to spout reckless ideas that will run up our debt and cause another economic crash. i'm here today to offer an alternative. >> secretary clinton today laid out that alternative, which included increasing the minimum wage, increasing profit sharing forarge corporations, scaling back tax breaks for companies that shift jobs overseas. we are seeing the contours of this general election fight come into very clear focus. kate, next monday, secretary
clinton is going to be appearing with senator elizabeth warren, who will rally progressives. i'm told there will be a lot of talk about donald trump and the economy so it will build on what we heard here today. kate. >> kristen welker following everything in north carolina with hillary clinton. thanks so much. a very very business afternoy a at msnbc. the other big story we're following right now, democrats on capitol hill staging a sit-in on the house floor demanding a vote on gun legislation. earlier today, congressman john lewis said it's time for action. >> now this is time for us to find a way to make it real. we have to occupy the floor of the house and force action. >> minority leader, nancy pelosi held a press conference on the steps of the capitol and called out republicans. >> our members are gathered on
the floor of the house in protest that we cannot even have a vote because we truly believe if there were a vote that we would win the vote. >> we're going on about four hours into this now and msnbc's luke russert is following every move on capitol hill. what's the status report at this hour, 3:15 eastern time? >> reporter: this has been going on now about five hours. it is really a historic moment. i say historic because the way in which the rules are in the two chambers. in the senate, people are familiar with the filibuster. in the house there is no filibuster. in the house, majority parties rule. even if democrats wanted to force a vote on anything they don't have that luxury except for something called a discharge petition. it is a not really house in session, literally the floor occupying the house. they are giving very passionate
speeches and the gallery is filling up with spectators. there are no cameras inside or microphones because the house is not officially in session and c-span can not be on. the only video we're getting are pirated videos members themselves are taking even though it is illegal, but they can get away with it. there is the #no break no bill. number one, it's gotten to this point the democrats have been able to get so much attention on this cause. they want to see two votes, no fly no buy and strengthening background checks and get rid of the loophole on private sellers and strengthen internet sales. republicans have said, look, we're prepared to wait this out. this is not how our body works. this is what the senate does. we're not necessarily going to cave into their demands now.
they say they're prepared to stay here indefinitely. maxine waters from california says hell will freeze over before she leaves that floor. how this ends is really the million dollar question here. no one necessarily knows how to do it. i think we have tape i did with john lewis of georgia. if we have that, could we run that? is that possible, about this issue? >> i never dreamed one day, after coming to congress, i would have to sit in on the floor of the house, sit down in the well of the house. we've been waiting, waiting for a long time for the leadership to bring a piece of legislation, maybe more than one piece to deal with gun violence. >> you hear from john lewis, icon of the civil rights movement. he views his as very important work and says he will not be moved. i just came from the house chamber. there are about 60 or so house democrats there.
it's gotten to the point now some were looking for cell phone charging capability, looking down around the desk to see if there is an outlet. there are no sten nothing fers out there so we don't know what the formal speechers are. the usual staff in place are not there. the lights are still on and along with the people in the gallery, quite an historic moment. >> i covered that place for five years. i can't remember anything like this. i know you haven't seen anything like this either. we will let youton monitor and come back this hour if there are any developments. trump campaign sources are calling it a full frontal assault on hillary clinton. earlier today, donald trump giving a wide ranging speech, slamming clinton on everything from her private e-mail server to foreign policy. >> hillary clinton wants to bring in people who believe women should be enslaved and y
gays put to death. maybe her motivation lies among the more than 1,000 foreign donations hillary failed to disclose while at the state department. hillary clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency of the united states. >> let me bring in ben ginsburg, msnbc political analyst, republican strategist, partner at jones day. nice to see you. donald trump's son-in-law, jerry kushner helped write this speech and he delivered it off of teleprompt teleprompters. there was attack after attack on hillary clinton. effective? >> yeah. i think it was the most complete attack that donald trump has yet delivered against hillary clinton. it came at a time when many in the republican party were saying that it was really needed. he did deliver that today. you've seen the clinton counter
attack. it will be an uplifting 4 1/2 months until the election. >> the fact checking began right away, in fact, while the speech was still going on we were fact checking certain things he said. i want to note, he called hillary clinton a world class liar today. if you look at politifact, does a lot of fact checking, 59% of trump's claims over recent months have been found false or pants on fire, 12% of clinton's claims have been found false or pants on fire. a lot of the things that trump said today did not pass the test of being factual. does that matter? >> well, i think it matters, in the sense it leads to more attacks back and forth from the candidates. you're going to see donald trump refute the fact checkers and hillary clinton back and forth. somehow lost in all of that, if we're concentrating on those issues are an actual debate on
the different positions substantively important to the american voter. who does that benefit? >> ben ginsberg, always nice to have you with us. >> thanks, kate. up next we learn marco rubio will run again for the u.s. senate. le? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call
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as we mentioned right before the break, kelly o'donnell, my colleague on capitol hill talking to marco rubio about his plans to reverse his decision and run for the u.s. senate. that will have a great impact on the state of florida. we will get that to you as soon as kelly is done. we'll turn that tape around. when you think of the
surgeon general's office, maybe you think of warnings in the early '60s that led to early warning labels on tobacco or 1980s, when c. effort wrote to the american people about the aids crisis. now, the current surgeon general is trying to be a game changer what he calls the public health crisis of this generation, abuse of prescription painkillers and other opioids, taking the public step of writing a letter to every prescriber in the u.s. of dangers of overprescribing for pain, seems to be the very first time he has taken it to his peers, doctor to doctor. he joins me now. nice to see you again. >> thanks so much, kate. great to be with you. >> let's talk about what you're doing. we have an excerpt from the letter you are pre-describing to everyone prescriber in the nation.
we have a unique power to help end this epidemic. you're on a worhirlwind tour. you're really trying to get some attention for this. why is this so important to you? >> this is one of the greatest public health crisis of our time, the opioid epidemic. it hasn't been done before a surgeon general has written a letter specifically to healthcare providers to ask them to join a movement to be part of this healthcare crisis. it's that big that important. i'm here at a medical college talking to clinicianin ings tod doctors and nurses and nurse-practitioners and talking about steps we can take to overcome this epidemic including changing how clinicians prescribe and changing training how many provide treatment for addiction and how to change the stigma around addiction so more people can come forward and seek
health. >> how did we get here to as you describe it, a pill for every ailment or pill for every problem. >> sadly, we arrived on a path paved with good intentions. about 20 years ago, clinicians were urged to treat pain more aggressively because there was a recognition they were undertr t undertreating pain unfortunately they weren't provided support how to do so safely and responsibly. that coincided with increase of marketing of opioid medication to clinicians. i can tell you even when i was in medical school i remember being taught opioid medications were not addictive as long as they were given to somebody in pain. that is not correct. we have to spread across the nation they are not only addictive but part of the slugs how to identify people with substance abuse disorders and helping provide them treatment.
>> we were looking at a key article in 1980, i can't believe it's that long ago, the key line in this scholarly paper was the development of addiction is rare in patients with no history of addiction. that's not true. do some doctors still believe that and how will you change that at the level of medical schools and teaching? >> unfortunately, that's what many doctors were taught. even today, i encounter doctors who still believe that because they haven't been taught any differe differently. that's why we're building the turn the tide campaign i launched a few weeks ago to help us change direction in this epidemic and address it. that involves making sure we're talking to clinicians about the fact opioids are addictive. that doesn't mean nobody should ever get opioids. >> there are people in chronic pain and people in a lot of pain will have surgery and want a painkiller and they don't want you as the surgeon general to
tell every doctor they can't have them. >> yes. opioids are appropriate in certain situations. the problem is we've been giving opioids out appropriately and n inappropriately over the last several decades. that's something we have to change. we know opioids are not a good solution or chronic pain. a lot of people are on them for chronic pain. turns out you quickly developed a toleranerance for opioid medication and you take higher and higher doses for them and puts you at risk for complications including death. we want to make sure the patients are on medications best suited for them and understand their risk and benefit of opioid medications. >> what does success look like? if we were to ask you six months from now, how do we know what you're doing makes a difference? >> we can measure it in several w ways, reduction in overdose
deaths and second, by people who need treatment and actually getting it, and third, the knowledge level clinicians have how to treat pain simply and effectively. we look how this epidemic began, since 1999 we had a quadrupling of the number of overdose deaths and over 2 million people in america addicted to prescript n prescriptions of opioids and we know it is contributing to the spread of hiv and help c and use of heroin. there are a number of parameters we can look at to see progress. i tell you kwhalt's reassuring to me, as i travel around the country, i've been in arizona, new mexico and oklahoma and baltimore an massachusetts in the last few days, there are communities that recognize this is a community that has to come together to solve it. it won't be solved by the community or doctors alone. it's everyone doing their part to practice responsibly and get people access to treatment. >> to end on a positive note you
and i have met a couple times and talk about the successes stories you do see. i have one coming up on "nightly news" about two men we met two years ago really addicted and now doing quite well in recovery and it can happen. >> absolutely. it can happen. what is gratifying to see, people are coming together around this epidemic politically we see both parties recognizing this is an important problem to solve. president obama requested 1.to billion in new funds to help fight this. as i travel to new areas around the country, i see people who have gone through difficult times with addiction and come out on the other side and show us recovery is in fact possible. i met a young man in new york just recently, a responsible kid when he was in high school, his mother is an educator in public schools and raised him with great role models. unfortunately, he became addicted to prescription opioid
medications and ended up using heroin as well cocaine. she discovered this when he was in college. thanks to her support and support of doctors trained how to recognize and treat addiction he is now living a wonderful life in recovery rebuilt relationships and has a great job and looking to build a great future for himself and his family. recovery is possible. we have to help people realize that. if we come together we can make recovery a possibility for million os of people across america. >> we will continue to cover this and thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. before we go to news, brent s scowcroft just endorsed hillary clinton sayi ining i believe hiy clinton has the experience to lead our country at this critical time. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire?
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we are back with breaking news on capitol hill. our kelly o'donnell moments ago had a chance to interview florida senator marco rubio former presidential candidate just announced he will be running for re-election in november. >> reporter: senator rubio, you told us so many times you would not seek another term. you told us so many times you almost got irritated when we pressed you on it. why change your mind and why not? >> first, i did change my mind. i never said i was perfect or had all the answers. the bottom line is i feel deeply that no matter who is elected president of the united states we will need a senate willing to check and balance that. that's true whether president of your own party or from the other side. i got into public service to try to make a difference. you know, obviously we had a path available to us that would have been more comfortable and a little less risky politically. i couldn't come to grips with the idea at a moment i could
have made a difference both in the outcome of the race and future of the senate in the next six years of the country i would walk away from that challenge. when the opportunity presented it about 10 years ago because carlos who was in the race asked me to think about it and think about it over the weekend which we did. >> donald trump beat you in your home state during the primary. there are some who say you could lose twice because being an incumbent is an advantage, it's not a sure thing. >> sure. it's a difficult race. i get the political risk involved. the politically safe thing to do is go home and be comfortable for a while or live to fight another day. there's too much at stake. we looked at it carefully and prayed about it and reached this conclusion. i understand from a political point of view this is not the safest choice. this isn't about politics. i knew what the safer route was politic politically. >> reporter: do you remain committed to supporting donald trump. you talked about feeling some
anxiety about his positions and things he has said. would you campaign with him. >> i said i'm not going to. the reason why because we have significant disagreements on a lot of issues. i disagree with hillary on everything. a race between a candidate i disagree with on a lot of things and candidate i disagree on almost everything. it's not the ideal choice, not the choice i wanted, i ran for president but the choice the voters have made. i respect it. irrespective of the presidency we will have a u.s. senate. in the constitution the u.s. senate plays a very important role in checking and balancing the excesses of the president. i think no matter who is elected that will be important in 2016 and one of the reaeeal reasons changed my mind and chose to run. >> reporter: you were criticized for your absenteeism as a candidate and said a number of things about what it means to be a senator that you really didn't enjoy the position. won't that base a factor in you race? do you want this job? >> i am frustrated in the
senate? but who isn't? 89% of americans are frustrated. any can see that and there are parts of this job that are very fulfilling. said that during the campaign. the ability to deliver to constituents and the senate is a place you can make big ideas and hopefully move them forward. for the next six years i think the senate will play an important role being checks and balances on excesses whoever wins the presidential race. that's the part that eventually convinced me to change my mind. i'm prepared to come back and serve in the senate as it is, not as i wish it were, in hopes of maybe changing it better. my eyes are wide open as to what kind of senate i'm coming back to. like most americans i'm frustrated about it but that's not a reason to give up. >> reporter: you've always been seen as a bright future face in your party and many of your supporters would like to see you run in 2020 not knowing what the white house race will result in. would you commit to the voters of florida you would serve a
full six year term. >> here's what i'm not going to do anymore is make these unequivocal statements about anything. number one, i don't know who the next president of the united states will be and number two, if i was looking to run for president in 2020 getting back in a competitive race at the most competitive seat in the country is risky and probably not the best way forward. i can tell you i'm prepared dom back and dedicate my heart and soul to this place as hard as i've ever done. if all i will ever be is a u.s. senator from florida and make a difference, i'll be at peace with that. >> reporter: just to be clear, you will not rule out running in 2020 even though a senate term would extend for six years? >> i just learned perhaps the hard way to stop talking about things you can't predict in the future and hypotheticals. it's not my plan. if it were i wouldn't run for re-election. it is not the stake you run and
it's a risk of losing, a very competitive seat. if all i will ever be is a u.s. senator from florida that's a good thing and i will be at peace with it. >> reporter: when you were running for president and we would ask you about things that donald trump had said or done, i know that was frustrating for you because you wanted to tell your own story. as a senate candidate you'll often be asked about something he is doing or saying. do you think he will have a negative effect on your ability to be elected? >> i think i have to be who i am. it's relevant because when you're in the senate, it's check and balance. if donald trump says something i agree with, i'll say it, if he says something i don't agree with that, i will try to stop him and the same thing with hillary. the problem is i disagree with virtually everything she stand for. will not sit back and watch the
senate fall under control of the democrats, who if hillary wins will basically be a blank check and the country can't afford that. >> do you think you will give the senate a better chance by remaining in republican hands by running? the majority at stake? >> with no disrespect to people running and they have a right to run and have put a lot in their own races and not asking any of them to get out, i respect their decision. i do believe i give us a better chance to win. no guarantees. this will be a tough race. i'm ready for this tough race. it's worth fighting for. >> you will draw democrats to have to spend money in florida and change things strategically. do you think you tactically help the party? >> that wasn't my consideration. i heard the voice office people encouraging me to run. i was honored by that. my decision was made in my home in between pressure cleaning my driveway, jeanette and i and the
kids spent time talking about what this would mean. we had two paths to choose, a more comfortable life and less risk and chance to make a difference both for this election and this country. that's the path i chose. i'm proud of it, i am. >> reporter: two quick questions, when i asked you about donald trump, do you plan to vote for him even though you don't want to campaign for him? >> i am not going to abstain. it is not the choice i wanted. donald trump who i disagree with on a lot of things and hillary clinton who i disagree with on everything, and it's an unusual choice. most years i have more in common with the republican nominee than i do this year. in the end i will not abstain and not vote for hillary. >> reporter: finally, we know you were on the ground in orlando. the country has been concerned about all the events that have happened there and families affected and root causes what transpired there. did that have any impact for influence on your decision? >> it had an impact on me per n
personally, not sure it had an impact on this decision. this decision is beyond one event as tragic and horrible it is. it had an impact on me pers personally not just human level and the thought process what service should be all about. my decision is where is the right place for me and my family over the next six years. we think it's public service given the challenges our country is facing, and opportunity i didn't think would happen. i was really prepared to move forward in our lives and have peace with that and quite fra frankly looking forward to many aspects of it. when carlos asked me to reconsider he was in the race, i did and that was the conclusion we reached. in the end as much as anything else the desire to continue to serve. >> reporter: we thank you for your time and we'll see you on the campaign trail. thank you, senator rubio. >> kelly o'donnell with a fascinating interview in the hallway of the senate with marco r rubio. i'm joined by kelly now still up on capitol hill. several striking things, his
demeanor. he seemed kind of subdued. i don't know if you read it that way. i'm curious about the political calculation here. i was looking at polling of all the four republicans announceford this senate seat, he's the one that does best if you look at the quinnipiac poll winning by seven or eight points. you can see why he was enticed to get in. >> reporter: and why so many of his senate republican colleagues were encouraging and nudging him because they are worried about losing seats they have so many to defend come november and control of the senate is important. when he became a senator, that was a lifetime ago, 2010 was the year of the tea party. he was lifted up by the tea party and he won in a three-person race then. he has sort of shed the tea party but likes to be viewed more as conservative running as a conservative republican and believes that there is room in this race to sort of make that
case. obviously, he has been enhanced in many ways in terms of national name it from running for president. but losing as a, you know, candidate in your home state, that's tough. as i heard him say, he understands this is risky, democrats will spend a lot of money against him. we will have a race to cover. i look forward to more time in florida as we get closer to november. >> it was fascinating to hear him after all these months in this new setting and interesting to see attack ads that come from the democrats now that he's official lin there. thanks so much. we will be right back. we have so much news this afternoon. we will have west virginia senator, joe manchin with me with more on the gun legislation debate as democrats in the house continue with their sit-in as we speak. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends.
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this demands more. we ask that they do something that is fundamental to democracy. you know, as human beings, whatever our job is, there are times when our jobs become uncomfortable. if you're a small business owner and you have to let go of an employee, that's an uncomfortable conversation. if you are an employee -- >> in the age of social media, it is very difficult to stop us from seeing what's happening on the u.s. house floor. that's the house of representatives, a feed coming in from periscope live from the floor even though the regular cameras have been shut down because the house is not technically in session at the moment. we have been talking about this all afternoon. this is a sit-in happening on the house floor. democrats asking that gun legislation be considered by the full u.s. house. it all stems from what happened on monday in the u.s. senate. four separate gun legislation proposals from both democrats and republicans were voted down
on monday. yesterday, maine republican senator susan collins released a bipartisan bill, no fly, no bu , it's called but can it get the 60 votes needed to get through the senate and will house democrats get what they want with a vote? joining me is west virginia democratic senator joe manchin. nice to see you. thanks for being with us. very busy afternoon. i know some of your senate colleagues have gone over, senator warren i understand just went over to sit in for a bit with the house democrats. are you thinking of going over there? >> i'm very sympathetic. whatever my schedule allows, i will be there. i'm with them in spirit. here's the thing we're talking about. common sense. just common sense legislation. if you're on a no fly list, it's more than probable cause that we think you're a threat to america or americans so with that being said, should you be allowed to buy a gun? if that's the case, then we have to say okay, how about -- how far do you go out. we have a million people as a
terrorist watch list. dianne feinstein tried to say if they tried to buy a gun we would know about it and the fbi could take appropriate actions. we are very committed to protecting the fifth amendment of the constitution but we have thousands of americans that are on the terrorist watch list. >> let me be clear about that. because on monday, i'm a bit confused, you did not vote for senator feinstein's democratic version -- >> yes, i did. >> i thought you voted for the republican version. >> i voted for both. >> okay. >> i'm just trying to move the ball forward, kate. everyone is getting -- it's not going to be a perfect bill but we have to be willing to step forward. quit playing democrat and republican. quit being party partisans. let's be americans. we have got to do something. >> how do you get there? right now you have this new -- you laugh, but this is the problem, right? you have a new bill -- >> oh, it's a problem. >> -- trying to be bipartisan,
go at it again and say there's a 14-day period in which someone who is on that no fly list can be checked, right, and stop them or allow them -- >> there are some changes being made to it as we speak. i really believe, and susan collins is one of the most beautiful people to work with. she's working for the middle, same as i am all the time. there's a group of us working together right now, hoping we can get enough of our colleagues on the republican side, we need 15 or 20 of them, and the democrats will step up and we will move something forward that's good for the country. but it basically takes the people that are highest probable cause that could do something and do harm to america, which is on the surveillance and the no fly, and with that being said, it goes back five years. so if you look at the shooter in orlando, how could we have prevented this. if he had been as he was interrogated by the fbi and found he had done nothing, he's an american citizen, but he is a high probable cause, we're concerned about him but couldn't bring any action against him, if
he had gone and bought the gun, they would have been pinged and made him wait 72 hours. 72 hours, he would have had to wait. now, with that period of time, then the fbi would have known right then. this is a person we just investigated a year ago or two years ago or four years ago. we better go back and take another hard look because this guy's trying to arm himself now. yes, we could have stepped in and prevented that. here's the thing we are saying doesn't make any sense at all, is that that same person says wait a minute, something's wrong, they have pinged me, made me wait 72 -- three days, 72 hours, i'll just go down to the gun show that's being held down at the armory next door and i can go to one of those tables and no one will question anything i buy. so we're saying the manchin/toomey bill was common sense, law abiding gun owners understood it, did not take any of their rights, protected the second amendment rights but we said commercial transactions should have background checks. no fly, you shouldn't be able to buy.
it's pretty simple. >> senator joe manchin, i wish we had more time. i hope you will come back again. we got a little tight today but wanted to talk to you about the opioid crisis as well. >> let me say one thing. can i say one thing? next wednesday at the civic -- visitors center here at the capitol, rob reinor will be screening his new -- >> new film. right. "finding charlie." >> "being charlie." that starts at 6:00. please come. >> excellent. thank you for mentioning that. we'll have you back, i promise. thanks so much. we'll take a quick break.
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so much more developing at this hour. that's going to do it for me here. thank you so much for watching. see you right back here tomorrow. my colleague steve kornacki picks things up from here. all right. continuing msnbc coverage this hour, i'm steve kornacki. 139 days to go until the election. topping the agenda right now, no
bill, no break. democrats as we speak staging an unprecedented sit-in on the floor of the house of representatives. they say they will not budge unless congress gets to work on gun control. with the house officially in recess right now, cameras in the chamber are turned off but the democrats are using periscope and other live streaming apps to show the world what they are up to. >> if you are suspected and known to be a terrorist, why, why can you get a gun, a machine gun, at the corner gun show? we will not leave the floor of this houseil