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cover this terrorist attack that hit istanbul's main airport. we also continue to cover the response to this attack internationally and locally on the scene in turkey. if you're a regular viewer of this show, if you're a fan of richard engel's and i know a lot of you are, richard often joins us very late in the middle of the night from istanbul. you may also remember that richard has done some of his most intense, stunning, on-the-ground reporting, from the nation of turkey. right on the outskirts of the syrian civil war. some of the most amazing and award-winning footage that richard has ever shot was right on the border of turkey and syria from a town called kobani. in late 2014, isis masked its fighters and took over kobani. kobani was not the biggest population center. it was not seen as hugely strategically important but it was right on the border between syria and turkey and the effort
to take it back from isis became one of the epic and truly internationally famous battles, not just of the syrian civil war, but specifically the international fight against isis and richard engel's reporting from right in the middle of that house-to-house battle, embedded with these anti-isis, kurdish fighters in kobani, it was some of the most stunning reporting i've ever seen. richard being right there in the middle of that fight as the fight was happening is part of how we know that it happened and what it looked like. but the fight to take back that town from isis against incredible odds, it was successful. isis did get beaten back, the kurds took kobani back. and a few months after that battle was won in july of last year, there was a conference held by a youth group on the turkish side of the syria/turkish border, and that included a rally to celebrate
the victory over isis in that town, kicking isis out of kobani, the banner these kids are holding says, we defended it together, we are building it together. the whole point of this rally and this youth conference the office basically plan the reconstruction of the city of kobani. kobani was taken back from isis, but it was so damaged by months of all-out heavy fighting in that city, that it the city really needed to be rebuilt. so this youth group held this event to celebrate kobani, to talk about rebuilding kobani, held up the banner, posed for photos, and in the middle of that, as these photos were taken, one of the students in the middle of that crowd set off a suicide vest and 32 of those kids were killed. it was apparently a turkish student, who had crossed over into syria and joined up with isis and crossed back over the border. they sent him back home to turkey to infiltrate that youth group and he ended up killing
dozens of those kids all at once. that's isis picking a soft target to be their revenge for losing the city of kobani. isis very much likes soft targets. today's bombing in istanbul's airport, this huge cosmopolitan busy airport, the third busiest airport after london's heathrow and charles de gaulle in paris. suicide bombers detonating their vests and shot by police inside the airport. every attack is new, but this feels like a new angle rerun of brussels. they had bombs that were studded with nails. they hit a departure hall, followed by a second attack in a brussels metro station.
and brussels came four months after paris when multiple attackers used bombs and guns and grenades and hit a soccer stadium and a cafe and a restaurant and a musical. in the u.s., we've had isis-inspired gun massacres, at the pulse nightclub in orlando, just this month and at a random workplace gathering in san bernardino in december. isis claimed credit in october for killing 224 people in one attack, mostly russians, all killed when isis says they exploded a bomb on board an airplane that had just taken off from the sinai peninsula in egypt. isis also took credit in november the day before paris, for a huge attack on a touristy shopping district in lebanon, killing 43 people, the day before the paris attack. isis loves soft targets the world over.
but turkey, turkey is almost a special case. turkey is the dividing line between asia and europe, the city of istanbul has a line through it that defines the distance. turkey has suffered with frequency of terrorist attacks. isis operates primarily in iraq and syria, mostly syria with a long border with turkey. that's the main way with that fighters have crossed into syria to join up with isis. at the same time, turkey is also part of the anti-isis, military coalition, along with the united states and turkey has its own separate ongoing war with kurdish rebels like the ones who took back kobani from isis back at the beginning of last year. so turkey is just at -- not just at a cross roads, it's at a cross roads so complicated it looks more like an asterisk. they're right in the thick of it
from multiple angles. just in this past year, since that isis bomber killed all those kids celebrating the kobani victory over isis, just since then, turkey has suffered at least five major fatal terrorist attacks that weren't even committed by isis. attacks that the turkish government attributed to kurdish militants, including a massive double bombing in ankara last november that killed at least 95 people. also a fatal attack on the other airport in istanbul that's not the one that was hit today. and interestingly, in that case, it was not in the departures hall. in that case, kurdish rebels are believed to have smuggled a bomb onto the tarmac somehow. that happened in december. in terms of isis attacks, for a variety of reasons which we'll talk about tonight, isis does not always claim responsibility
for its attacks inside turkey, but isis has been assigned responsibility for at least two other attacks in istanbul just this year, january and march. isis has also been assigned responsibility for a car bomb attack in southeastern turkey just last month. but even as isis has mounted or inspired so many terrorist attacks all over the world, including the united states during the past year, and even as turkey has been bombed by isis and by other groups, again and again and again over the course of the past year at its airports, in its capital, in its countryside, in its largest city. even with all of that momentum and all of that violent context, it was still alarming, maybe even a little rattling a couple weeks ago. a week ago thursday, when nbc's richard engel reported from istanbul that something new was up with isis, something that was
worrying overall, in terms of isis being able to mount future international attacks, but specifically what richard reported a week ago thursday, it was particularly worrying about new attacks that isis might be planning in turkey. watch this from 12 days ago. >> isis is bigger and more widespread than al qaeda ever was, and isn't getting weaker, according to an especially sober cia assessment today. >> our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach. >> reporter: the cia director also warned isis is trying to stage fighters into position for nor violence. >> they're attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. >> reporter: militants may already be on the move. a senior u.s. counterterrorism official said more than 30 isis fighters have been dispatched from syria to turkey, cite of
previous attacks and the main gateway for isis fighters to and from the west. why the increased concern now? it appears isis wants to make a big splash during the muslim holy month of ramadan which lasts until early july. >> that is slightly uncanny and unsettling. that was richard engel saying that a u.s. senior counterterrorism official had told nbc news that more than 30 isis fighters had been dispatched from syria into turkey. that report, less than two weeks ago. now, after this spectacular multiple suicide bomber attack on istanbul's main airport tonight, here was richard's live report tonight for "nightly news." >> reporter: we reported several weeks ago, lester, that isis had forward-deployed more than 35 militants from syria to turkey with the intention of carrying
out attacks on an international scale during the month of ramadan. ramadan is supposed to last for one more week. today i was told that this attack was highly likely the work of those same militants who had been forward deployed and that this could be just the start of a series of attacks before ramadan is over. >> at this point, the death toll in today's airport attack in istanbul stands at 36 people. just a terrible attack today on a soft civilian target. unbelievably terrible, but also in its way, both foreseeable and foreseen. joining us now from istanbul's nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. i know it's been a long night, thank you very much for being with us. >> absolutely. >> richard, thinking about ataturk airport in terms of its softness as a target, you're in and out of istanbul all the time. is it a well defended space? would you think of it as a secure environment?
>> reporter: i think it's a very well defended airport. security is tight. you have to go through a checkpoint just to get into the airport itself. and i think that probably saved a lot of lives tonight. because the first two of the explosions took place outside. it was only the second explosion that burst a hole in the wall, that allowed the third suicide attacker to enter into the arrivals terminal. so on a normal day, there's outside security, then security when you clear immigration, and for certain destinations, if you're going to israel or canada or the united states, there's yet another layer of security, another bag check, and another someone who will come up and ask you questions. i would say internationally, it's quite a secure airport. but the problem is, turkey has become the main transit route for isis for the last several years. it's become an entrenched problem. it is the home airport that isis uses to get its people in and
out of syria. and after several years of isis beating a well trodden path through this country, even hard targets can be cracked. >> richard, what would you assess in terms of how good these attackers were? how much coordination this took? how much training this took, what kind of, i guess the level of their specialized equipment and explosives? were these high level, highly trained operatives pulling off a complex attack, or did they get lucky with the number of people that they killed? >> reporter: i think this was a pretty sophisticated attack, and the militants seemed dedicated. you saw that one piece of footage that has made the rounds where an attacker seems to have been shot. then in pain, one would assume, he detonates his vest. this was not the work of an amateur who picked up a gun and decided to spray up the airport.
multiple attackers, multiple locations, the way it happened is quite revealing, the first attack, according to two witnesses took place in the parking lot, that attack also involved gunfire. when the militant was firing his ak, blew up his vest and drew security away from the parking lot. the second one blew up by the taxi stand, which blew a hole in the wall and allowed the third attacker to go in. could have been an accident or an opportuist moment for militants to react this way, when they're under pressure, firing bombs, does not suggest the work of an amateur. >> in turkey, there have been previous isis attacks, including very large scale fatal terrorist attacks attributed to kurdish
militant groups. what i've seen today is that although nobody has any incredible claims of responsibility for this, this is being assigned responsibility to isis in part because it was an international target, the international terminal at the airport, the kurdish militants are seen as having more turkey specific targets. do you think that's a reasonable difference, an important part of this to be looking at in terms of who did this and why isis is being blamed? >> reporter: i think this attack does bear all the hallmarks of isis, multiple suicide bombers, high profile target, plus the intelligence that we got a couple of weeks ago that more than 30 -- it's actually more than 35 isis fighters have been forward-deployed from syria, with the objective specifically to carry out attacks during the month of ramadan. ramadan just has a few more days. there were three attackers killed tonight.
what happened to the other 30-plus attackers who were deployed? are they still here? are they planning other things in the last week of this muslim holy month? >> richard, last question for you. how do you think that turkey is going to respond to this? obviously they have faced terrorist attacks just over the past year, including some with a larger death toll than this. this one has a lot of international consequences, in part because it's at the airport and there are likely to be a lot of different nationalities among those killed when we start getting those lists. how do you think turkey will respond? >> reporter: i think turkey will respond by cracking down, going and arresting some people that it has under surveillance. turkey to a degree is paying tr sins of the past. because over the last several months, they've stepped up security dramatically, gone to great lengths to seal the border with syria. it is trying to get a better understanding of the extremists
who are living in this country. the problem is, for a couple of years before the security crackdown, isis felt very much at home here, established networks, established its own understanding and base in this country if you want to call it that. so even if turkey wants to crack down now and i think we're going to see that because this harms the economy, the prestige of the country, the istanbul airport is a fundamental hub for all of the world, not just the middle east, but it is especially important in the middle east. but even if they crack down harder than they have been, after you've opened the floodgates and allowed this group to establish roots here for a couple of years, it's going to be very difficult to root it out. if you allow your country to become peshawar in pakistan, which was the gateway for al qaeda, it's hard to get rid of that, even if you try to crack down. >> richard engel, nbc news,
chief foreign correspondent reporting from istanbul tonight where it's considerably after 4:00 in the morning, richard, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. much more to come tonight. we have congressman elijah cummings tonight who is great to talk to on a night like this. also, "new york times" reporter who is turning into a decoder ring for all of us, for understanding international terrorism, and in particular, claims of responsibility after attacks like this. she's joining us today. lots to come, stay with us. ♪ staying in rhythm, it's how i try to live, how i stay active. and to keep up this pace, i need the right nutrition. so i drink boost®. boost® complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones, and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. in three delicious flavors. i'm not about to swim in the slow lane.
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that the death toll from the attack now stands at 36 people. the number of wounded now stands at nearly 150. the prime minister also says that turkey believes this attack was carried out by isis. that said, isis has not claimed responsibility for this attack. why that might be with a "new york times" reporter in just a moment.
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and after that, i think there was another bomb, but i'm not really sure. >> they had cuts, people were very badly injured. one guy had holes in his back from shrapnel, from glass. that's what i was holding. >> i was there and the explosion happened. we were searching for others and i saw -- we saw the bomb. >> were you outside the airport? >> we are going to get the package of the car and he was inside, my brother was inside. and he is coming and the explosion happened. >> and this happened at the arrivals area? >> yes. >> did you hear an explosion? was there gunfire? >> it was a lot of, you know, gun.
and my brother also have a lot of injuries. >> reporter: and he's been taken inside now? >> yes. and my brother, he is not very good. i can't see him now. i want to see him. i don't know what to do. >> the footage and the witness reports out of istanbul's ataturk airport tonight have just been terrible. i'm going to show you a little bit of the footage of the actual attacks. if you do not want to see the blasts, this is the moment that you may want to turn away from watching this. this first bit of footage has not been confirmed by nbc news, but it's consistent with the other footage from the scene. you can see sort of confusion, people not knowing which way to go, then a big wave of people running from the right side to the left. that is followed by what appears to be a bomb blast, and you see
people continue to run away after that blast, including people who are clearly hurt here in the foreground, or at least shocked by it. this is another angle on what we believe may be the same blast. this appears to be cctv video playing on a computer. this appears to be one explosion, and the images and the markings are similar to the other video we're seeing from the airport, but again, nbc news hasn't independently confirmed this is the blast. we have one more video to show you. it's what we believe is one of the suicide bombers. and richard engel described it in his live report just a moment ago. it appears to show one of the suicide bombers being shot and then blowing himself up. even if you're okay seeing the blast itself which you just saw, you may not be okay seeing this, so this is your chance to not watch this if you don't want to. nbc news has not confirmed that this is what it appears to be. but it appears to be an attacker
being shot, knocked down by police, and there you see him on the ground, you see what appears to be his gun skitter away and then after he's on the ground for a few seconds, he apparently detonates a suicide bomb vest or belt. the reason this video may being particularly news worthy not just as documentation of this event, but also as an explanation of what happened here, some terror analysts are suggesting that action, the logistics of that suicide vest detonation, some people are suggesting that those hallmarks indicate an isis-trained attacker, that's how they train people to do suicide attacks, that's how they equip them to do suicide attacks. that said, isis has not claimed credit for the attack. at one point tonight, isis posted its daily packet online, it's a day in the life of isis, june 28, there was no mention of
the istanbul attack in that daily report. it may just be that isis hasn't claimed credit yet and they will soon. it may be that isis did this but they won't claim credit, that's believed to be true about several other isis attacks in turkey. or it may be that somebody else did it and not isis. how do we figure it out? what should we watch for online and around the world in order to figure out which of those things it is? joining us now the "new york times" excellent beat reporter on islamic terrorism, including al qaeda and isis, brook meany cal mackie joining us. >> happy to be here. >> turkish officials are claiming they believe it to be isis, but should we expect isis to claim it? >> turkey is one of the strangest countries in terms of isis attacks. this is the only country that i
know of where they have been blamed for several major attacks and yet they have not claimed credit. analysts that i've spoken to, whom i trust, say this is most likely because isis very much needs turkey. it's been described as their rear base, this is the country through which their foreign recruits must come through when they're flying into the country. and so perhaps there's a strategic reason for not claiming credit. that said, it's still early, about six hours since the blast went off inside the airport. by this time in brussels, when the major attack happened at the airport, they had claimed credit, but by this time in paris, last november 13th, they had not. it took around a day for them to claim credit for paris. so it's still early. we might see a claim in the next few hours. but i worry that we will end up in a situation where they do not claim credit and officials have already said they believe it's isis and that creates certain a confusing and muddied situation
when the group itself refuses to claim responsibility. >> i know this is naive, but it does seem crazy that they would see it as unpolitically advantageous to claim credit for a terrorist attack in turkey but they would see it to be politically strategically advantageous to commit the attack. why attack turkey in the first place, whether or not you want credit for it? >> right. that is a very good question, rachel and i really don't know the answer to it. keep in mind, this is the month of ramadan. we're in the final ten days, i believe. and the spokesman of isis had specifically called for a ramping up of attacks during the holy month and specifically in the corridors of their enemies as they call it. so they very much cheered the orlando attack. now if they have a major attack in turkey, as well as in the third largest airport in europe,
it's easy to see how that would be a win for them and it's hard to see how they would not want to claim credit for it. but then again, in the past, they haven't. >> ruck meany, setting aside the issue of credit, are you also seeing evidence that isis supporters are celebrating this attack? whether or not isis is saying we did it, are isis supporters happy that this happened? >> the response so far is somewhat muted. and we usually see this, when there's not an official claim, and when their leaders are not starting to applaud, the community as a whole remains somewhat muted. what's interesting about turkey, rachel, is that starting last year, soon after the u.s. negotiated access to the interlicht air base and began conducting air strikes in syria from turkey, turkey, which hadn't been mentioned in isis propaganda that much, suddenly began to get more mentions.
and one example is the 11th issue of dabiq, which is their flagship magazine, which came out soon after, the cover of that magazine had a picture of the turkish leader shaking hands with obama. so the cover model was really the leader of this country and since then, we've seen an increasing number of references to turkey. people that i've spoken to see this as a sign that they were preparing for an attack of their neighbor. >> ruck meany, thank you very much. >> thank you, rachel. >> you know, in terms of trying to look for a proximate cause, like why does something like this happen, in the grand scheme of things, who can say. but in terms of proximate cause, there are a lot of things, anniversaries and sort of notable news events in political
happenings that could -- any of them could be sparks for this. as ruk meany and richard have just mentioned, this is not just ramadan, it's a ramadan on which the head of isis has said they want home-grown attacks committed by isis fighters. they want their fighters to commit attacks at home specifically during the month of ramadan. and this is roughly the two-year anniversary of isis proclaiming itself a caliphate. also this past week, turkey announced a reconciliation with israel. they've had six years of not talking to each other because they were mad about previous conflicts. u.s. military cooperation with turkey also could be something that is seen as some sort of spark for this. in the absence of explanation, we extrapolate from everything. i wish and don't wish we could get inside their head. but on nights like this, i'm
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their 800-page report on the attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, there was already going to be focus on bad political responses to terrible terrorist attacks. what we did not know at the start of the day is that we would be talking about bad political responses to terrible
terrorist attacks in realtime. because of what happened today in istanbul and some of the political reaction to it here in the u.s. both of those stories ahead. congressman elijah cummings is here tonight. stay with us. [ guitar playing ] ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief.
brighter denture every day. we're continuing to monitor developments out of turkey where the suicide bombers attacked the istanbul airport. we'll have more on that coming up tonight. there was also big news today domestically about a different fatal terrorist attack, the one four years ago, about 800 miles southwest of istanbul, in benghazi n libya, where ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed. today the eighth -- the eighth -- official government investigation into that attack came to a close. the republicans leading the house select committee on benghazi released their draft final report. democrats released their own version of the report yesterday, and then no democrats reportedly even saw the republican version
of today's report before it was released to reporters this morning. so bipartisan this was not. the benghazi committee did apparently set a record, though. it was one of the longest, if not the longest running congressional investigation into anything ever. it was longer than the investigation into the federal response to hurricane katrina, or the attack on pearl harbor, or the jfk assassination, or the iran contrascandal, or the 9/11 attack. the 9/11 commission, investigating the worst terrorist attack in the history of this country, the 9/11 commission worked for 604 days, created a bipartisan report endorsed by each and every one of the commission's members. in contrast, the benghazi committee worked for nearly 200 days longer than that, they spent over $7 million on their investigation, and not only was there report not endorsed by everyone on the committee, but the democrats weren't even allowed to know what was in the report before it was released. before the republicans report went to the media, democrats on the committee spent the rest of today first trying to get a coup of it and then putting out press
releases debunking the republicans' own conclusions. this is not to say that the benghazi investigation doesn't accomplish anything. politically the various investigations into benghazi have had a remarkable political impact. it was through the benghazi investigations that we learned about hillary clinton's private e-mail server. it was also how we got what was probably hillary clinton's best moment of her presidential campaign, it terms of political momentum and perception of her as a candidate, her 11 hours of testimony before the committee was a turning point in her favor, especially when the committee chair conceded after those 11 hours that they basically got nothing out of her, those 11 hours. arguably, california congressman kevin mccarthy did not become speaker of the house, which he was due to become after john boehner, because of his on-camera comments basically saying that the benghazi investigation was a partisan
exercise designed to bring down hillary clinton's numbers. so we got paul ryan as speaker because of the benghazi investigations. benghazi investigations are also arguably by susan rice is national security adviser is not secretary of state. she was president obama's first choice to be secretary of state to succeed hillary clinton, but susan rice got caught up in all the conspiracy theories about the talking points she delivered on the sunday shows immediately following the attack. so susan rice ended up being president obama's national security adviser and john kerry ended up being secretary of state. so the benghazi investigations have been consequential. but they have not been consequential in any of the ways they were ostensibly supposed to be. this years' long, $7 million republican investigation that published its report today, they didn't find all the hidden truths that were supposedly missed by the seven previous investigations. in particular, the allegation that launched a thousand right-wing internet memes, that
hillary clinton blocked a rescue attempt that could have saved american lives, that she ordered rescuers to stand down and not rescue those americans. that allegation was once again investigated and once again disproven even in this republican report. for 800 days and $7 million, pretty much all we got was months and years of accusations and conspiracy theories and ultimately in the end, a reiteration of everything all the previous reporting already showed. as a political exercise, this was honestly a fiasco. but on days like this, that feels less important than the fact that this was also a display of how we respond to terrorist attacks as a country. and if this is the best we can do, that's an even greater fiasco. congressman elijah cummings joins us next. ♪ what are you doing? sara, i love you, and... [phone rings] ah, it's my brother. keep going...
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their select committee on benghazi, they released their draft final report today to the press. and then after that, they released it to the democrats serving on that committee. just in case you needed a capsule perspective on what was wrong with this benghazi committee. congressman, it's nice for you to be here tonight. >> thank you. >> let me first ask you about the overall context here. nobody knew the report would be released on the day of another terrible terrorist attack. in this case, the one in istanbul. does the whole process of how this was treated, how we dealt with this in congress, does it make you worry about how we're capable of responding to terrorism anymore? >> no doubt about it. when you have a situation where you end up moving towards partisanship, as opposed to --
and attacking each other, as opposed to uniting, i think it's bad, not only for congress, but it's bad for the country. and in this instance, rachel, we had a situation where the republicans were given an endless budget to conduct this investigation and basically what happened is, they shut out the democrats from the very beginning. and i don't think they really ever had any intention of this being a bipartisan effort. but to go to your question, in these moments, it's just a reminder, particularly what's happened in turkey that we need to be united and it's sad, and it really is, and it pains me to think that we cannot leave our party hats at the door and try to address issues like benghazi, because benghazi was a very
serious situation. and keep in mind that we lost four very brave and strong americans. and for us to move to a point where democrats are shut out of a process, where republicans are interviewing witnesses and not even telling us about them, are not sharing transcripts with us, not even creating rules for the committee, issues subpoenas without consultation, i could go on and on and on. and as late as this morning, after the press had had the report -- and by the way, this is a report that we had asked to be a part of and to help to develop, but this morning, we get the report after the members of the press, some of them probably had it for like 12 to 13 hours, at least. so it does concern me.
>> congressman, after what you described as essentially an infinite budget, the blank check, they could spend whatever they want, after going 200 days longer than the 9/11 commission went, one of the longest congressional investigations in history, after, as you describe, shutting out the democrats from the process, so they could proceed just as republicans, with everything they wanted in terms of witnesses and subpoenas and everything, did this eighth investigation into the benghazi attack, actually produce any new information that was not known through previous reporting or through the seven previous reports? >> i think they may have come up with a few additional facts, but rachel, i can tell you that nothing that i have read, nothing that i have heard, nothing that i've seen with to t investigation changes what the other eight reports that already said. rachel, keep in mind that a number of those reports and investigations that were were
done before, were done in a bipartisan way. basically what the republican said was that although fellow republicans had previously come to conclusions, had looked at all of the facts and made determinations, we want to look a little bit deeper, we've got to get a little deeper. and so, again, you know, and i kind of get the impression that maybe they're addicted to benghazi because i just found out that they're going to be interviewing another witness tomorrow. >> wow. >> so it just -- it's kind of sad. >> well, the ranking democrat on the house select committee. i remember talking with you, sir, about whether or not democrats should participate in this all and you said watch and see how it goes. now we know. thanks for helping us understand what just happened today. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back, stay with us.
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new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. five days after the terrorist attack in san bernardino, republican presidential candidate donald trump made this announcement. >> we put out a statement a little while ago and these people are going crazy. they won't report it right. should i read you the statement? donald j. trump is calling for -- now, you've got to listen to this, this is pretty heavy stuff. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> that was in december, less than a week after the san bernardino attacks calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. he kept reading that statement for days and weeks. he elaborated. he said the way he would do it, that border agents under
president trump would be ordered to ask people, are you muslim? and if the person said in response, yes, i'm muslim, then they would be banned from stepping foot on u.s. soil. simple as that. what could possibly go wrong? mr. trump has reiterated this plan over and over and over again. >> we have to have a temporary ban on muslims coming into this country, i'm sorry. >> donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. >> do you stand for a ban against muslims coming in? >> i do, we have to be vigilant. >> on the trail, in interviews, donald trump has not been shy about this. after the orlando attack two-and-a-half weeks ago, he said it again. >> i called for a ban after san bernardino and was met with great scorn and anchor, many are saying i was right to do so. although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on.
we have to do it. >> even when he's on the tell prompter and breathing heavily through his nose to prove it. he's still with it. muslim ban on, that's his plan. but then in the last few days, perhaps mez ma rised by the beauty of the 18th hole. he told them a new thing. he said this weekend "i don't want people coming in from certain countries. i don't want people coming in from the terror countries. you have terror countries. i don't want them unless they're very very strongly vetted." asked which countries constitute the terror countries, mr. trump said, "they're pretty well decided, all you have to do is look." so heading into today, because of that, there were some considerable confusion as to whether or not the republican presidential candidate this year really is proposing to ban muslims from the united states leading to this from the "wall street journal" today.
look at this, this is great. >> they're groaning on their way to confusion. direct quotes "the evolution of the policy has come in fits and starts with conflicting statements by mr. trump that have confused some of his strongest supporters oncapitol. he has never said he was wrong or explicitly said he was asked about the policy. one of the charles cubik said he was working with the campaign to address this issue. however, campaign spokesman hoop hicks said mr. kubic was not advising the campaign on this issue. but another trump representative, katrina pearson, confirms that the policy is being clarified. that clarifies it. he's calling for a muslim ban unless he's calling for a terror country's ban now. that's what his advisers are saying he's doing unless they're not really his advisers. tonight in the wake of the attack, he did not cover at length, which was to propose his
muslim ban. we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left. fair enough. mr. trump, do you still want to ban muslims from coming into this country? are we allowed to know that before people are suppose to start voting in the presidential election? that does it for tonight, we'll see you again tomorrow, now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel. well, terror came to turkey today, invest store wendy sherman will join us with reaction on suicide bombers attack at the airport. we'll get dan rather's reaction as to what donald trump had to say about today's attack. >> major terrorist attack at the airport.