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civil disturbances, natural disasters and we did after the attack issue an emergency message immediately and once we had -- >> but did you have any reason to expect m innocent threat in turkey on monday? >> my answer is, i'm sorry i haven't been clear on this. we did not have eminent or actionable intelligence. >> so second question, and again i think it's a simpler question. you state on march 29th that there's increased threat in turkey and you state exactly the same thick. there's increased threat so terrorists actions by tax by terrorist groups on june 27th.
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more threats on june 27th than there had been or was the threat level any higher. was there any increase in the number of threats on june 27th than there had been in march. >> my answer to that is we're not -- i'm not going to discuss specific details of the threat information we have except as i said in the case of we have actionable intelligence that a given site was going to be targeted. i can say that we would reiterate the language of our latest travel warning for turkey chrks did not increased threats from terrorist groups. >> it was increased from the previous travel warning. >> okay. so that's helpful because that helps us understand a little
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better. >> is there no way of -- another thing you look at the march travel warning and it notes the ordered departure. there's no time line on that order of departure unless i'm mistaken. it just says you ordered departure and normally you order and they are ordered gone until you rescind that. so i don't understand why you felt it necessary to put out a note on monday nieght extending the order until a particular date. i understand the change in dropping one of the providences, by why u give an end date for the status because it was indefinite when you originally did it. so why do that? >> i'm frankly not sure it is
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indefinite. i think it was internally at least we have to extend these periodically. i think it was an effort to notify the public that that order of departure was going to be extended. that's my understand iing. when an order is extended in which case it does have to be done administratively by the state department, it has to have an end date. >> and lastly, why not try to make more expli sate the difference between the travel warning from june and the travel warning from march? it seems to e me american citizens would have benefit ted from knowing on monday that that there was more threats than there had been. >> nbc world head kwartders in new york. we have been watching the u.s. state department field questions about what happened in turkey. confirming at this point that we don't know of any u.s. deaths or injuries involved in the attacks
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from the airport. but now we have cic a director john brennan speaking about it. >> which continues to grip large sections of the globe. global instability is one of the defining issues of our time. it's implications are hard to overstate. as instability spreads, extremists and terrorists are in sanctuary in ungoverned spaces. energy supplies are being disrupted as too many governments opt for measures at the expense of democratic principles and respect for human rights. most devastating of all is the human toll to instability. last week the united nations reported that the number of people displaced by global instability and conflict had reached 65 million, the highest figure ever recorded. and a host of countries from east asia to west africa,
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governments are under stress and civic institutions are struggling to provide basic services to maintain law and order. as governments in these regions recede from national life, more people are shifting allegiances away from the nation state and towards sub national groups and identities leading societies that once embraced a national identity to fracture along ethnic and sectarian lines. >> you're listening to john brennan delivering a speech. mark toner at the state department is still fielding questions from reporters about what state knew and when it issued a directive about safety concerns for travels to turkey. let's listen. >> this current one that there was more threat information than actually spiked. >> clarification about this. the emergency message of an eminent threat has that been
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warned? >> yes, i can come get you specific examples. but it has. >> how common is that? >> it's obviously not that common because it's rare we had actionable intelligence of an eminent terrorist attack. but in this case, there's precedent for this. >> no one has been able to determine who is responsible but everyone keeps suggesting that this has the hallmarks isis attack. is that the work iing assumptio of the u.s. government? are they ruling out the pkk or other groups that might have some grievance against the turkish government. >> it's a fair question.
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i'm hesitant to answer because it looks like i'm leaning one way or the other. but in any kind of assessment, the folks who really follow this stuff and look at these investigations or attacks and are able to recognize hallmarks or tendencies of certain groups and there are assumptions made. but we just have to -- we have also seen it go the other way. it's their investigation. >> keeping in mind that it does appear that many of those killed were turkish, have there been any gentle reminders that if it
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turns out that this within the isis, that this was the work of kurdish separatists, that the government won't use the attack as a pretext for cracking down on civil liberties. >> first off, i don't think we have seen any actions on the government to indicate that it's going in that direction. to respond to that question or to caution the turkish government, which is in the aftermath of a terrorist attack obviously dealing with recovery. >> we're listening to the u.s. state department taking reporters' questions. also john brennan from the cia was speaking at the council on foreign relations.
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they didn't have actionable intelligence for the state department to issue any type of advanced warning that would cool off for that part of the world. toner was able to affirm at this point we don't know of any deaths or casualties to those that were injured in the attacks. so we had 41 people killed and more than 230 were injured. we know president obama called turkey's president this morning to express solidarity. i want to go to chief foreign responsible richard angle who has been leading our coverage since the attacks. it's been nearly 24 hours later. any new leads in the investigation. if so, explain where they are in that and also the mood of the people. this is an airport that's
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already up and running with people traveling through. >> the investigation is ongoing. it is ongoing as the recovery efforts and reconstruction efforts are going on at the airport. so you have these two simultaneous situation where is turkey is trying to put on a brave face saying the airport isn't closed, but even as passengers are checking bags, coming and going, there are investigators there trying to figure out what happened. there are clean up and recovery crew there is trying to put the plate glass back together. they are suggesting that they believe this was the work of isis. they haven't identified publicly any individual cells or names of people who are involved in carrying out the attack. but we're hearing more details about how the incident unfolded.
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that the initial attack took place on the curve by the entrance to the arrivals and departure terminal. the militants arrived in two taxica taxicabs. the first explosion created a diversion and also an opening that allowed the attackers to get past the security and enter the terminal building. one of the two attackers that entered the building managed to blow up his device after struggling with police by the greeting area of arrivals hall. but was shot by a both of these officers and the the one who shot the attacker upstairs and allowed other people to get away are being celebrate forward their u courage and quick
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action. >> we just heard at the top of the hour john brennan of the cia saying this does bare the hallmarks of isis. we do not have the claim of responsibility attached to this yet. we also know there are other factions inside of turkey that might end up having some sort of involvement in this. to brennan's point about hallmar hallmarks, we have covered other stories recently. . what is the definitive proof or what investigators will be looking at to say this would be something related to isis tactics. what have we seen in the nast would be related to turkey? >> high profile attack. using it as a transit point in it and out of syria for the last
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several years. even though for the last few months, sux months or so, turkey has been doing a better job securing its border with syria, preventing free movement, trying to stop the flow of foreign fighters in and out of syria through turkey. those are some of the hallmarks. then there's the specific intelligence and this came after the briefing by john brennan that isis had deployed fighters to turkey to carry out attacks during the month of ramadan. so when you look at the fact that turkey had been staging its fighters, this is ramadan. it was an isis style attack that would say all the hallmarks of an isis attack. now they also have the bodies and they are examining those bodies trying to find out if they have any paperwork on them, entry data, fingerprints and
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turkey has been pretty quick at these kind of investigations in the past. so i would say in a relatively short order, a day or two, we should know with quite certainty who these attackers were and perhaps even their affiliation. >> richard, standby for a second. i want to give a warning because we have new video from the associated press that was shot in the aftermath of the attack. we have blurred out some of the more sensitive parts that are dealing with people that were injured and bodies on the ground, but you can see the chaos that happened there. and the carnage left in the wake of this trio of suicide bombers arriving there on the scene and causing this mass scene where you see glass littered all over the floor, people scattering throughout, walls knocked down. the injured and the dead still lying there on the ground. the airport is functional around all of this.
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they have put up barricades now. there are people back in their booths. how are they able to get back up and running so quickly and what's the security on the scene at this point? >> reporter: frankly, it's very surprising they were able to get up and running so quickly. security is somewhat chaotic because you have people coming and going through a damaged airport. there are plain clothes officers, uniformed officers, journalists moving around the crime scene. you have a crime scene and a functioning airport overlaid. and it is a very unusual situation. one i have never seen before where cleanup crews are sweeping up glass where people are sitting behind counters working, giving out information, changing hotel reservations and the walls behind them are still marked from gunfire. it may not be the safest
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environment, but turkey chose to take this path to show that it is not giving in to terroristst. the terrorist attack wouldn't shut down commerce, wouldn't shut down the airport, wouldn't shut down the city. >> richard angle reporting on the scene, thank you. a passenger that was traveling through that airport thomas kem per, the general secretary u of the united methodist church. he was on his way back home yesterday and caught in that attack. thank you for being with us. explain to everybody where you were when you realized what was happening and your immediate response. what did you do? >> i was changing flights and getting some rest. i was actually slightly asleep at that moment when the bomb went off. and i heard shooting and saw it was almost part of it and people were rushing by and running and i just ran after them and my
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baggage. from the other side and we were just trembling over each other and everybody joined to find somewhere to hide. >> did you think it someone was going to enter this space where you had hidden and try and kill you? >> that came to my mind immediately because you have all these images on your mind of what you heard about orlando and paris and how the terrorists walk around and try to kill more people. so i think everybody was so scared at that moment trying to find a place to hide. some people were even trying to crush the windows to get out of the room to go somewhere because there was nowhere to go. >> have you been able to look at any of the video? what goes through your mind when you see this?
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it must be surreal to know you were there. >> it's totally surreal. you know that turkey is in a difficult situation. i just watched a bit of what you had on your show now and it is difficult. but i did not expect it in the airport. the lounge is always a place of calm and safety in the midst of a busy airport. to suddenly have this, it was very close. one of the bombers as we knew later was on the second floor. >> did you have apprehension about continuing and flying. >> i have to continue flying, but what was striking for me is the people i met on the bus to the hotel, i only go through my room at 6:00 a.m. in the
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morning. so after seven hours of what happened and we all crammed into that bus. i was sitting with a family from somalia. they had just been in holland. they are living in holland now and for the first time visiting relatives. it was amazing to talk to them and hear their pain and struggle and being caught in this attack. i sat next to a woman who was crying. i just started talking to her. a and. >> as a man of faith u and as a leader, what do you say to people that would want to paint the entire u muslim faith with a
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broad brush in terms of initial suspicion about what caused this attack? >> we just can't do this. we have to see in every religion we have to work with those people who if we don't give them our hand and take risks, there's no way we can overcome this situation. and i was just listening in. the state department warning, there's no absolute security. we have to take risk. as man of faith, we need to trust in god. we need to take risk to reach out and make this world different and a place for all. >> thomas kuemper, who survived that attack there. thank you for taking time with us today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. so we heard from both presidential candidates in the immediate aftermath of the
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attack. we have also heard from president obama. after the break, we're going to have nbc moderator "mees the press" chuck todd to talk about terrorism and backlash that donald trump getting for saying this. >> they can do chopping off heads, drowning people, they can do whatever they want to do. you have to fight fire with fire. with hydrogenated oil... ...but real joyful moments are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪ reddi-wip. share the joy. so guys with ed can... take viagra when they need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension. your blood pressure could drop to an unsafe level. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing.
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the press." so good to have you with me. we know there's been swift reaction to the rhetoric of donald trump that he provided before this talking about water bording. i want to play it for everybody. take a look. >> if you inflict enough pain on someone, that person will tell you whatever they think that you want to hear in order to make the pain stop. . fe torture people, what would we expect our enemy would do to americans that were captured? is that open the door? it's not what we are all about. it's not what we are. it's not about them. it's about us. >> it's not about them. it's about us. do you think there is a growing sense that donald trump and his strength message is more effective than what hillary clinton is providing in what
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seems to be a steady calm support for our nato allies. >> if you just look at our polling when it comes to some of the strength and security questions and leadership questions, trump is outdoing her on these things. this is a natural extension of trump's america first nationalist message, which is what he said about the economy. we have to look at ourselves first. we'll negotiate deals. essentially he's saying this is not about us setting the example for the wormd whether it's on the economy, national security, whether it's on morality issues. this is about what is in the best interest of america first. this is the overarching flo philosophy of trump. in many ways, his comments on torture in some ways are an extension of that line of thinking and that ideology that he has, which is, hey, we're looking out for ourselves and
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play by our own set of rules. not by an agreed upon global or international set of rules. u ultimately, if there is consistent i can with trump, it is on that line of thinking. when there's a feeling of lack of control and there's something about the terrorist attack that took place in turkey or the one in orlando, where it makes the public feel as if there's no control over this. so that's the vacuum that trump is filling. we have to hit them hard. so he's throwing them a proposed solution. even if it's one that may not make sense over time, but there's this impatience and anger and feeling of lack of control that i think some voters are gravitating towards with trump. >> is that because the message that's kind of consolidated and in line with each other from president obama and hillary clinton has staid the course?
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if you stay the course of what we're watching internationally, that's not working. >> this is the challenge that i think hillary clinton and barack obama have when it comes to this war against isis. trust me, i have talked to plenty of people in the national security complex, if you want to call it that. both military leaders and diplomatic folks, who have said look at the progress that's been made against isis in iraq and syria. the fact is there is tangible progress that's been made. they are on their heels. and yet, that is one explanation why you see more attacks or more isis-inspired attacks while smaller scale, but it seems they are coming at a faster clip or the perception they are at a faster clip. their argument is well, hey, this is because they are on the defensive. so they can't do anything big, so they are trying to lash out small to keep everybody on their heels to make the west feel as
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if they are not making progress. but that's the challenge. how do you say we're winning but don't look over there where we just had a terrorist attack because that makes us look like we're losing but i swear we're winning in the long run. it's a tougher message for obama and clinton to sell. they have to figure out how to do it. >> e we shall find out next week on tuesday because clinton and obama are going to hit the trail u together. >> i guarantee they will be talking economy and not terrorism. >> let's see what comes out on tuesday. we're all going to be here working. >> i will be too. we'll both be there. >> thank you, chuck. you can watch chuck later today and also on weekends as the moderator of "meet the press." we have major airports across the country stepped up their security checks in the wake of the attack. we'll tell you about the changes that could kplakt you as a passenger. plus the geopolitics of
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want to update you on our top story. flights have resumed and that's pretty remarkable considering this happened roughly 24 hours ago. three suicide bombers attacking the entrance of the international arrivals area. 41 people were killed. at least 230 others are injured. these numbers are coming to us from istanbul's governor. no one has yet claimed responsibility for the attack, but a senior u.s. official says it's very like uly isis. this does bare the hallmarks of isis and as the holy month comes to close, the fear of more soft target attacks just like the one we have seen are increasing.
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take a listen to john brennan from the top of the hour. >> so in istanbul is one of the most secure in the world. but the scale of this attack raises questions about how much security is needed at airports. the u.s. has ramped up police presence in the wake of these attacks as officials weigh whether to tighten security during these summer months. what more can you tell us about that and the general feeling among passengers that are traveling through jfk today? a bag was left at a coffee shop.
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they saw something and said something. they evacuated a terminal for a brief time and handled it relatively quickly. you can see some pictures outside of the terminal. then they were allowed back in and allowed to get on their way. we spoke to some passengers about what their concerns were about what's going on. >> somebody wants to commit an act over here it's something beyond my control. the control that i'm talking about is the security forces are challenged to do what they could possibly do but it's so easy to perpetrate one of these kind of crimes. god forbid i could have a bomb in here. who would know. i walked right in. >> the rate of incidents it's like incredibly low. >> so there's concern, but people are getting on with their
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lives saying they felt that they could not be deterred by what happened in istanbul. they feel that that would be giving in to the terrorists and they are not about to do that. there was a flight scheduled to leave here at 11:35 this morning. it was delayed. we understand now it's going to leave in abts an hour. >> thank you so much. joining the conversation now is congressman jim himes of connecticut. he serves on the house permanent select committee on intelligence. i want to get your reaction to this. donald trump tweeted 11 minutes ago. isis exploded on hillary clinton's watch. she's done nothing about it and never will. not capable. you have supported hillary clinton as the presumptive democratic nominee. how do you respond? >> it's hard to know how to begin to respond to donald trump. here's a man with a poll knowledge of a second or third grader. a man whose entire campaign and life has been built around his own self-promotion.
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so of course, he's going to continue to say things like that. we should be water boarding and torturing suggesting to the credit of john mccain, who had a quick response to that, suggesting we should get into the mock and evil with the terrorists and give up what makes us strong. so look, how about the moment donald trump says something that's either true or valuable from a policy standpoint, then that will be breaking news. >> when it comes to what americans want to know and we look at this attack of what happened, the biggest question about national security is how do we prevent that from happening here. from what you have been gathering and meetings on intelligence, how can you reassure americans this won't happen here? >> the week after orlando when in a nightclub that nobody would have ever thought was going to be a target for somebody who had been radicalized.
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nobody would have predicted t t that. the dynamic is tough. let's imagine we tripled security and we could do that. it would be expensive, but we could do that. terrorists learn and adapt. the next thing will be a train station. we need to get into the frame of mind that knowing this is possible any time, anywhere and not freaking out about that. of going about our business, of being vigilant and supporting our government and doing what it's doing, which is taking the fight to isis and to the fbi but being mindful of the fact that as long as there are areas of chaos, whether that's syria, iraq or libya, we will be living with this, which gets us to the final point that we nied to dedicate ourselves to ending the civil war in syria, to bringing stability to iraq and probably much more complicated but doling with the spaces around the globe where monsters can find a a
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foothold. >> does that mean we need to have boots on the ground like place like iraq where a vacuum started after we left? does that mean we need to topple bashar al assad and try to put in someone new in power there, specifically what would you suggest this administration and the next administration do? >> yeah, look, we have seen the boots on the ground movie a c couple times. we did that in iraq in a big way. we did that in afghanistan. we lost a lot of people. thousands. i'm not sure anybody applauds the outcome. the bottom line, and my friends who sort of support a robust independent or unilateral strategy should understand if we move 300,000 troops somewhere whether it were libya or iraq, we could lock the place down. we did that wups in iraq. we would open the newspapers to find four or five dead american troops and then the question becomes what happens when we
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leave. so you ask about syria, the answer is much more about working with all of the players who have a stake in the game there and sadly that includes groups like russia, who have a hell of a presence in syria. it includes groups like iraq, which have a presence in the area. but getting together with those guys and say iing we all have a common interest in eliminating isis. let's do a deal. that's not going to be a deal we like. it's probably going to mean assad doesn't spend the rest of his days in jail, as he should, but until we have that conversation with europe, russia, iran and iraq, we'll continue to see a civil war that's going to give a start to the kind of terrorism that we're seeing. >> congressman jim himes, thank you for your time. i really appreciate it. joining me now is terror analyst lathe alkuri. there is no claim of correspondent yet. what more do we know about these
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attackers and why some in the intelligence community would say this is isis and not domestic terrorists like the pkk in turkey? >> well, yes, as you mentioned there has been no official claim of credit from isis or any other groups, but looking at how these attacks were carried out, you have multiple suicide bombers and individuals who use explosive belts, who attack consecutively in a manner that we would refer to as isis commander operation chrks is multiple attackers, one bombed the place and others continue move iing forward to the next target. and all of these mos in addition to the fact that this took place during the holy month of ramadan just days before the month started, isis called for targeting westerners and civilians. so all of these characteristics bare u what e we might expect to
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be an isis directed attack. >> we got the state department so far confirming there are no american deaths or injuries involved in the attack. but explain to folks ramadan, why that holy period of time would be one that would encourage attacks. >> well, from annist u.s. perspective, they think this is a time of devotion and a time of commitment. so they are calling on their followers to carry out these attacks knowing it's a time also in many parts of the muslim world as we're seeing now peak travel periods around the muslim world. so we're a couple days away from the end of the month. families are traveling, people are trying to exercise what would be a normal life anywhere else. >> but the belief is that during this period of time and they are going to be rewarded in a better
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capacity because of practicing or pulling off an atrocity like this. that's the furthest thing from the truth. the month of ramadan is meant to be for devotion. it's one of the sacred months of the calendar meant to be a form used to for fighting or violence. isis is preaching something. this is a point that this has nothing to do with islam. this will be an example for those. ist cyst engaging in an activity killing muslims during the holy month during ramadan. and again doing something that they would argue goes against the religion. >> as we talk about turkey, this is a tourist hub, an international center for this region of the world. and there is unrest in the middle east. the fight against isis, but explain why turkey is such a
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hesitant partner in engaging what that civil war means. >> look, turkey has taken a stance against the assad regime early on. there's no doubt whether these it are actual evidence we have seen that it turkey has maintained the poorest border between syria, which allowed thousands. there are numbers estimating 7 to 10,000 fighters from europe through the turkish borders to join isis in syria. so these lackluster measures were highly criticized, but as of late in the past six to eight months, turkey has amplified the security measures on the border and cracking down on turkey. just locking at what isis has done so far, we have seen assassinations and bombings and mainly targeted muslims. so they look at turkey as a
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state that is part of the greater u.s.-led coalition to uproot it from its strongholds in iraq and syria. >> thank you very much. we know that president obama has been in canada since late this morning. he's there to attend the north american leaders summit. there he reaffirmed the u.s.'s commitment to the partnership with turkey. after the break, why turkey remains a hot spot for terror. we map it out. >> we stand with the people of turkey and intend to do what's necessary to make sure that these kinds of terrible events are not happening. (vo) stank face. a universal expression of disgust, often caused by inadequate cat litter. if you or your a loved one suffers from stank face, the cure is tidy cats.
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american leaders and there on the left you see mexico's president and the prime minister of canada in the center. president obama on the right. we'll see if president obama makes further comment about the attack in istanbul. if that happens, we'll bring it to you. despite istanbul being a popular tourist destination. it's near some of the most intense fighting about isis. joining me for more is kal perry. explain the dynamic as we look at where istanbul is in turkey and the neighbors of which it borders that makes it so right for terrorists. >> geographically almost in the wrong spot. this is roughly 500-mile long boa border. one of the things that turkey has wanted to maintain is they have wanted refugees to be able to get out. remember, turkey, 99% muslim country. we need to stress that. this has ripples in the west.
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but really this is a civil war happening inside islam and yesterday istanbul was on the front lines. as you look at the bigger picture, they are dealing with the pkk problem. this is the region that the pkk would like. the kurds would like. the kurds have also shown themselves to be excellent in the fight against isis. normally the enemy of my enemy is my friend. the pkk has been carrying out attacks across turkey. their mode is targeting the army, police, not targeting major tourist destinations because they know that's going to have a long-term effect on the country. >> is this encouraging finger pointing? they are thinking about isis and maybe that's to the benefit of whoever did this. >> that's why we haven't hear a claim of responsibility. that's why isis hasn't claimed
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responsibility. there's always going to be a certain amount of people who believe it was the pkk regardless of what the government says. if you don't claim responsibility, you leave a lot to the imagination. >> we still were waiting to find out the determination of this. we have been hearing from officials in the intelligence community saying it does bare the hallmarks of an isis attack. so while isis has not claimed responsibility with cal in this deadly attack from turkey, there are signs that tend to make the intelligence community believe this is isis. after the break, i'm going to talk to the man who broke the book in tactics to understand how to defeat them. viagra single packs... so guys with ed can... take viagra when they need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension.
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as we have been showing you president obama arrived in ottawa earlier this morning. he's there for the north
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american leaders summit. we do expect the president to hold a news conference coming up later. he potentially could make more remarks about the situation in istanbul. so the terror attack there in istanbul's airport came two years to the day that isis declare d itself a caliphate. since then isis has lost major ground in iraq and syria forcing them to morph into a virtual terror cell network. that's posing even more charge challenges for authorities around the globe. joining me is the msnbc terror analyst and author of "defeating isis." with perception being reality, if this is an isis-inspired or isis-directed attack, how helpful is that to the myth of isis? >> well, it's extremely helpful to their myth because isis has led the world to believe that this replaced al qaeda as an all
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encompassing large scale terrorist organization that can strike with impunity because they have members of the organization that are from all parts of the world. there is an isis branch that operates within turkey. they do put out magazines and propaganda in turkish language. so with that, that's for broad scale terrorism. >> i want to play earlier this hour addressing the challenge of fighting isis's terror network. take a look. >> they don't even have to reach out and touch somebody. the horrific attacks in orlando an individual was able to access the material but you also have individuals that are able to guide and direct and to deploy. so it's a range of challenges that intelligence agencies have. it's sharing information among nations around the world and we
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saw in the aftermath of bruss s brussels, there are 28 eu members. . they have different legal systems, structures, how are they going to share information in a rapid and timely fashion in order to stop individual who is we may have data on? >> common sense says that there's a common interest here from all of those e u or nato countries to stop isis because of their liberty. when we think about isis being an ideology and not a state, it's counterproductive to try to think in warfare ways of stopping them. so how do we without putting combat troops on the ground and putting our people in harm's way, how are we supposed to thwart an ideology? >> what we're doing figurely on
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the ground are having the effect that the president wants and the world needs. we are pressuring isis on all sides. make no mistake they have lost a very large quantity of forces in ground combat. the caliphate itself in iraq and syria may be coming to an end in the next year or so. but that doesn't matter. >> the land doesn't matter. the land matters to them because they won state hood. when they can control the social media universe, the tv air waves and everything else in between, the conversation around your kitchen table because of what is being demonstrated on our phones and tv sets isn't that them winning? >> it absolutely is. in fact, i wrote two books about have very subject. how do you kill the ideology itself? if you look at the basis, it's a corruption of islam that is so corrupt that it's not only unislam
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unislamic, it's anti-islamic. when ch is why their victims are muslim. we have to facilitate the muslim world to go after that belief system and show that it in itself is absolutely a corruption and that the entire muslim world must come down on them. and we have to facilitate that. we have to be their mega phone. >> great to have you on. thank you. >> it's my pleasure. >> we'll keep an eye out on the new developments. the president may be giving remarks from ottawa. first, a giant lead for mankind when joe biden convening a summit to advance his cancer initiative to accelerate research, improve treatment and find a cure. a sneak peek of what's on the horizon next and from the house floor to communities across the country. democrats stage sit-ins as a national day of action against gun violence.
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some say booid season being naive. that's not what i said. i believe we can make progress. i firmly believe we can do in the next five years what would ordinarily take ten. think of how many people you know who are saying, doctor, i just want to make it one more motto see my daughter get married. doc, if i can just make it another four months, i'll be able to pay off the house and my wife will be okay when i go. time matters. days matter. minutes matter. >> vice president joe biden speaking at the cancer moon shot summit as part of a national day of action. president obama, as you'll recall, tapped biden in his final state of the union with the responsibility of working toward ending cancer. the goal of this cancer moon shot is to double the rate of progress toward a cure. barely a year ago, biden lost his son after a long bout with
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brain cancer and the vice president sat down with tom brokaw for a can sid discussion about american cancer treatment. >> cost is frustrating. the cost of some of these drugs. >> let me ask about the cost. we can't exclude big far ma from all of this. i have $1,000 worth of pills that i took this morning. one pill was $500. i'm in the maintenance part of it. when i was in the attacking part of it, i was ingesting $2,500 worth of pills every day. i have a great health care plan because i work for a big company. but that patient out there in the middle of america or in a big city or anywhere in the country who doesn't have the protection that i do, what do they do? >> three things for those folks. first of all, the affordable care act comes along and provides for basic plans that everybody can get covered and
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significantly cut the total cost of whatever it is. number two, the big changes taking place is now if you develop cancer and try to get insurance, you used to be able to be denied. can't be denied anymore. thirdly, that health care plan requires that as long as you have the disease, there can be no lifetime caps. >> you can see more of tom's sbe vur with vice president joe biden tonight on "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. we are monitoring new reaction, if it comes, from president obama to the terrorist attack from istanbul. this is a trilateral news conference with the california canadian prime minister and president of mexico. that's our coverage for this hour. kate snow picks things up right now. i'm kate snow. it's a busy one. at any moment we'll hear from
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president obama alongside leadership from our country's two neighbors. they are up in canada for a north american leaders summit. the final one for president obama. canada's new prime minister is host i hosting. so what are they talking about? terrorism, climate change and britain's exit from the european union. and trade with trump's ideas on trade and a border wall almost certain to come up at this press conference we're waiting for any moment now. at the tail end of this hour, trump will hold a rally in maine. his focus is the deadly attack on the airport. the attack yesterday 24 hours ago. officials now saying 41 people are dead. not including the attackers plus 230 injured. no one has claimed responsibility but according to our investigations unit, intelligence officials are increasingly confident that the attack was the work of isis terrorists.
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the cia director speaking out about the attack moments ago. >> the attack yesterday at the airport that killed dozens and injured many more certainly bares the hallmarks of isis's depravity. >> let's go to richard engel. you were on the air with me yesterday afternoon as the story broke. u.s. officials are inkrecreasin confident this was isis. what are you hearing from your sources? dr. >> reporter: turkish officials are saying the same thing. the primary suspect is isis. they keep batting around the term in the u.s. that it bares all the hallmarks of an isis atta attack. that's the way the investigation seems to be pursuing. no names have been

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