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message at your peril. and that's "hardball" for now. it really is. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> we are stronger when we come together and work toward a better world together. >> -- the president responds to terror in turkey and so does donald trump. >> we have to fight so viciously and violently, because we're dealing with violent people, vicious people. >> tonight, fear and voting. >> i know some other people who won't be voting this year either. >> and all the fall-out from the presumptive republican nominee's promise to bring back torture. >> torture works, okay, folks. >> and the president's north american summit devolves into a global therapy session on trump. >> in march, you compared mr. trump to hitler and mussolini. i'm wondering if you still stand by that. >> can iron mike theiyson stop
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the past year. but it appears to have been carried out by isis. a senior intelligence told nbc news, the attack fit the isis profile. on a trip to canada today, president obama offered condolences to the turkish people and outlined the u.s. response. >> we're still learning all the facts, but we know this is part of our broader, shared fight against terrorist networks, and we will continue to work closely with turkey to root them out. meanwhile, we're going to do what's necessary to protect our people. i'm confident that we can and we will defeat those who offer only death and destruction, and we will always remember, even as there are those who are trying to divide us, that we are stronger when we come together and work toward a better world together. >> that last remark could be taken as a jab at the prumpive republican nominee who president
obama excoriated two weeks ago for his islamophobic and insendiary response to the massacre in orlando. at a rally last night in ohio, trump reiterated his call for the u.s. to use water boarding. >> they say what do you think about water boarding? i said i like it a lot, i don't think it's tough enough. >> we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously and violently, because we're dealing with violent people, efficiency people. -- vicious people. >> we have laws. their laws say they can do anything they want. we can't do water boarding, but they can chop off heads, drown people in steel cages. they can do whatever they want to do. they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing, we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire
with fire. >> this is not the first time trump has endorsed water boarding and other forms of torture or war crimes. far from it. he's shown an eagerness to engage in various war crimes. >> we're fighting a very politically correct war. the other thing is, with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. don't tell me it doesn't work. torture works. okay, folks? believe me, it works. they asked me the question, what do you think of water boarding? absolutely fine. we should go much stronger than water boarding. >> what would you do as commander in chief if the u.s. military refused to carry out those orders? >> they won't refuse. they're not going to refuse me, believe me. >> trump's latest comments were sounding condemns ed by a membe of his own party. john mccain sounded off on trump's support for water boarding. >> according to the geneva conventions, it's a war crime.
but programs more importantly than that, if you're not into academics and history is, it doesn't work. if you inflict enough pain on someone, that person will tell you whatever they think that you want to hear in order to make the pain stop. it's not the united states of america. it's not what we are all about. it's not what we are. it's not about them. it's about us. >> joined now by terry bennett and former top aide to general petrae petraeus. mr. bennett, let me start with you. i'm unclear on what is being called for here. your candidate has said time and time again, more than water boarding, tougher. last night he talked about isis drowning people in cages and beheading people. isis crucifies people, throws them off towers, engages in massacres. are these the kinds of things that donald trump is calling for
the u.s. army to engage in? >> first of all, i don't speak for the campaign. but gosh, i hope not. you know, we certainly can be tougher. torture is a line i personally wouldn't cross. but we can argue whether or not water boarding is torture. i think there are plenty of legal definitions that say it isn't. but i wouldn't call for torture. >> so what do you think when you hear mr. trump calling for torture? >> i think that they need to rethink that. >> colonel, you have been fairly outspoken about particularly that moment in the debate when mr. trump said he would be ordering american military members to engage in this kind of stuff. what's your reaction to what he said yesterday about isis? >> you know, he's doubling down on a morally corrupt policy. torture is a war crime and water boarding and torture. and there's no ifs, ands, and buts about it.
you can't parse this into finer grains of sands. you know, the u.s. army and the military simply will not follow orders to torture prisoners. the cia probably would not at this point either, given the history of water boarding after 9/11. and if the presumptive republican nominee thinks that torture works, he simply doesn't understand history. it does not work, and in fact, most people -- most interrogators will tell you that more legitimate methods actually get you better results. so what trump is doing is just putting the united states of america on the same moral plain as isis, which is what isis wants, which tells me that donald trump's not fit to be president of the united states. >> mr. bennett, there are lots of people who use that terminology specifically and they use that terminology specifically about donald trump in the wake of, say, orlando,
and the speech that he gave about americans of the muslim faith. whato you think when people say, this is not a person who is fit to be president? >> well, i think they're completely wrong, first of all. if you look at the -- there's a poll out tonight by fox. and the interesting thing about the poll was, you know, a month ago, people thought america was winning the war on terror by over 20 points. and tonight, they say it's statistically tied. so it's becoming a bigger and bigger issue in america. people are afraid, and they're looking for some leadership. you know, i think that he can offer that leadership. like i said, i'm not prepared to go for torture. but i think that we need to be stronger, we need to be tougher. >> okay. >> and we need to figure out how to do that as a country. >> mr. bennett, with respect, you're saying he can offer leadership. moments ago, you said you would
not advocate for torture. he's advocated for killing the families of people that we believe are terrorists. last night seemed to call for anything that isis does as being open. that's a kind of leadership. the question is, whether that's appropriate leadership. if you're saying it's not, why is it so strange that other people have come to that same conclusion? >> well, i think what i hear him saying is, we need to get tougher. that's what i'm for. >> but what does that mean? that's a great word. what does that mean? >> i think that we cannot win a politically correct war. >> what does that mean? >> it means when he talks about muslims, you said he's talking about american muslims. that's not what he's talking about and you know that. we cannot continue to. >> -- cannot continue to allow 100,000 people to come into this country who we know nothing about. >> i'm talking about a speech that he gave, specifically talking about american muslims knowing where the terrorists were.
that was the speech he gave. >> he wasn't saying they were necessarily all americans. >> what do those terms mean to you? get tough and a politically correct war? do those terms have meaning to you? >> they are volatile sound bites meant for a domestic audience. they have no reality when it comes to policy for waging a war against isis. i'd have more respect for trump if he said isis is really bad and we need to get tougher with it. so i'm going to increase the air campaign on the level of desert storm, for instance. i'm going to put american ground troops into turkey and jordan in order to fight isis. i'm going to create a no-fly zone over syria. these are concrete policies that we can argue about whether they'd be effective or not and whether we want to do it, but they would be at least concrete military actions that we could take. saying we're just going to torture and we're going to prevent muslims from coming into the country and the other sorts of things, we're going to bomb
the terrorist families, those are sound bites that have no basis in fundamental policy that could do anything to destroy isis. >> mr. bennett, is it your understanding that turkey's repeated victimization by isis over the last year is a product of erdogan, the head of that country, being not tough enough or being too politically correct? is that why turkey's getting hit, because erdogan is not a tough enough guy? >> well, i think that turkey has been very active in syria, and there's probably a lot of animosity, certainly in the region about that. the fact that they have the u.s. air base there. they have certainly become a target because of that. they've been very active in syria and trying to deal with isis in syria. >> right. but this is a place in which civil liberties have been drastically curt tailed -- >> if you're looking for civil liberties, the middle east is not the place to look. >> right, but i'm saying the theory that turkey is being hit
because essentially they're too soft or too open or not tough enough, doesn't seem like a plausible theory for what's happening there. >> no, i think they're getting hit because they chose a side. >> right. colonel, is there a way, having worked in iraq during counterinsurgency and having seen the arc of this organization and isis met afticize, is there a solution? >> well, isis needs to be destroyed in a military sense, which is happening very slowly now, not quick enough in my view, but it's happening slowly. but to prevent another isis, son of isis, if you will, from emerging, there has to be a political solution that the sunni inhabitants of iraq and syria can live with. and this is what is not being addressed right now. it's not being addressed in baghdad, certainly not being addressed in damascus, and i have no idea whether washington is considering it or not. but until the -- >> please, go ahead.
>> until the sunni inhabitants of the region come to the conclusion that isis or some organization like that is not the solution, we'll continue to have these problems there in the region. >> mr. bennett, i just want to follow-up on one thing. you said 100,000 people coming into the country that we don't know where they're from. what's that a reference to? >> we know where they're from, but we don't know anything about them. >> where is that number from? who does that mean? >> the visas are granted to 100,000 people from the middle east. >> you mean total, work, student, the entire category? >> yes, yes. >> and those are the people that you think bear a threat? >> i don't know. that's the problem, we don't know. there's no database -- >> let me ask you this. >> there's no criminal database for people from syria. >> as someone who has advised this campaign, are there people inside there who can say, you're wrong on torture, mr. trump? >> yeah, sure, absolutely. >> okay. barry bennett and colonel peter
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earlier today in the canadian capital of ottawa, president obama and the president of mexico and justin trudio, canada's prime minister, gathered against a backdrop of global fear and uncertainty. the terror attack in turkey killed at least 40 people, britain on the verge of becoming the first country to leave the european union. you've also got the impact of trade deals on both sides of the atlantic and a big chance to rally three huge economies behind the progress made in the paris climate deal. but for the most part, the questions addressed to these
three world leaders from reporters from all three countries were, in one way or another, about donald trump. >> one of the candidates who wants to replace president obama, has said he wants to renegotiate nafta and walk away from the transpacific partnership -- >> there's an anti-immigrant and anti-mexican rhetoric by donald trump. did you address this issue during your meeting? >> in march you compared mr. trump to hitler and mussolini. i'm wondering if you still stand by that and how worried are you at this time next year, there will be a wall up on your border? >> i'm actually going to help out my friends a little bit on your last question, even though it wasn't directed at me and just say, when i visit other countries, it's not my job to comment on candidates in the middle of a race, just because they may end up winning. and the relationship between governments tend to transcend whoever is in power at any given
time. >> liz plank, senior correspondent at vox and a native of montreal. i want to start with this. has your experience been, because i've been hearing reports of different folks traveling around the world, where someone hears them speaking american english and runs to them to talk about donald trump. has that been -- are all eyes in canada on what's happening here? >> yeah, all eyes are on what's happening in america. we love america in canada, but i think donald trump is something fascinating. it's a fascinating phenomenon for a lot of people in canada and across the world. i think that it took them longer in canada to realize that this was an actual thing and that this could happen. i had to do a lot of convincing of, yeah, he's going to be the nominee. now that he's the presumptive nominee, i think people in canada are taking it more seriously, and it's less of a joke, and it's more of a threat. and i think that's what we saw today in the meeting that
happened in ottawa. although, justin trudeau didn't really say anything about trump, you could tell he was probably biting his tongue and that's why president obama swept in and made sure to be the messenger for what i'm sure the primae minister feels. >> that was an interesting moment. president obama sending a signal to the two of them, whatever you want to say, it's probably not going to be helpful to the cause, to have essentially foreign leaders attacking donald trump. this is the polling from around the world. this is the percentage of people showing confidence that trump has the qualities to be a world leader. 89%, no confidence, in germany. china, he seems relatively more popular, and other places, which is sort of interesting in its own right. you in canada have elected, in some ways, it seems like the opposite of trump. trudeau is this glamourous
cosmopolitan, just seems like the opposite political moment in some ways in canada. >> absolutely. he is the anti-trump. and he's been called the anti-trump by a lot of commentators in canada. one of the first things that he did was something that he campaigned very strongly on, which was not accepting less immigrants, not accepting less refugees from syria, but accepting more. he welcomed 25,000 refugees from syria and really delivered on that promise immediately. and so he's not just -- i mean, in terms of those protectionists or nativist policies and even economically. he's actually been criticized in canada a little for being too all over the place. like not spending enough time in canada, and spending a lot of time in canabuilding relationsh
with other countries. trade is a huge part of his plank and his economic plan. so what donald trump is presenting in every possible way, it's hard to see them agreeing on anything. >> is there anything a domestic constituency in canada to get rid of nafta? there is in the u.s. and there's evidence it has hurt manufacturing, working class incomes. is there that same constituency in canada? >> no. i mean, not to the extent that there is in america. i think there's this sense that this is the sort of status quo and the state of affairs and actually i think people want more trade policies. canada is incredibly dependent on the american economy. both of them are very important to each other, and they're hugely important to each other. but canada, i mean, needs the u.s. to thrive. and so i think that there's not only a fear that nafta could go
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are denying they've been contacted. mitch mcconnell is one of few republicans who plans to attend. in a new interview, he said trump is not currently a credible candidate. >> trump clearly needs to change, in my opinion, to win the general election. people are looking for a level of seriousness that's typically conveyed by having a prepared text and teleprompter and staying on message. >> those comments come as poll after poll shows trump trailing hillary clinton, and the trends aren't promising for the presumptive gop nominee. a new survey finds trump is losing grounds among republicans. same poll shows 51% of republicans wish trump was not the gop nominee. a well funded group seeking to deny trump the nomination has been mobilizing and is planning
for a convention floor fight, hiring staff, establishing a command center in cleveland and rolling out ads in key states. that's what to expect inside the convention. outside, it could get far uglier. a group of white nationalists and skin heads who held a rally where five people were stabbed, said they'll be there to protest, to make sure that donald trump supporters are defended. joining me now, joy reid. >> thank you. >> to me, the most striking thing in the latest fox poll was 51% of republicans saying, they wish it were another nominee. >> and the other alarming number in that poll was the whites without a college degree. that's the core of the base that he needs to rack up big numbers in order to win. the problem with trump, he has probably the most des kated brand and there's nobody who wants to be associate ared with the brand. he needs somebody to associate with the brand to prove it. there's nobody there who can shore him up and make his brand
look better. >> there's a fascinating dynamic where he banged on about trade yesterday, the anti-trade deals, that i think there's a receptive audience for politically and he's leaning into it, which is probably smart politically. that's probably the thing that most alienates him from the leadership of the party, the donor class, all the folks around the institutional rnc. paul ryan is not going to pass a bunch of tariffs. >> and you have the chamber of commerce against him. it's his strongest argument that people hurt by trade might be tempted by his message. the people who are not already hard core republicans open to that message, the skinheads who are showing up, the fact that mike tyson is willing to get a tattoo on his face rather than stand next to donald trump in cleveland, say, the trade message is okay, but he's still donald trump. >> that's right. you cannot disassociate yourself from the kinds of things that
you have associate ared yourself with. >> right. >> there's always been this idea that he's going to pivot or do whatever. numbers are short but not that short. >> the republicans are saying, if he could just read the talking points, pretend to be different than he is and sublimate his inner thoughts, do that for six months, so we can keep the senate, that is as crass as it gets. >> and right-wing talk radio, howie carr introducing him today in maine. take a listen. >> you know elizabeth warren, right? >> you did not see that tape yet? >> i had not seen that tape. and paul ryan is going to have the most difficult convention ever being associated with that brand and he wants to run in 2020 with that! >> we watch the feed coming in of the warm-up act for donald trump. no one else does, but we do. it's coming in on the feed.
that's going to be the whole convention, the warm-up act. >> that's right. >> and if you think donald trump is offensive and bad, wait until you see the warm-up act for him. >> who is willing to associate himself with him now? now that the brand is what it is. the howie carrs of the world. they're just going to make it worse. the republicans who have to show up, the ones who have to be there, poor them, they'll have to stand next to that, and they cannot walk away from it, they cannot throw it away. it's theirs. >> that's right. everything that's get said on that stage, every war whoop from some talk radio host -- >> own it, marco rubio. you own that, ron johnson. i don't care how you want to run from it, you are a republican. and unless you're going to disassociate yourself, you're still a republican and he's still your nominee. >> joy reid, thanks for joining me. still to come, the latest in our series on the clear and present effects of climate change happening across the
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natalie mac gary posted the e-mail she received from trump's son on twitter with her reply. we're now learning it's not just the uk as josh marshall reports. members of parliament in canada, australia, iceland, finland and denmark have all received these e-mails. it's entirely illegal for foreign nationals to donate. so why is donald trump hitting up foreign lawmakers for illegal campaign donations? the theory on that in just 60 seconds.
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donald trump's campaign is flooding the inbox of foreign lawmakers in five countries soliciting illegal campaign donations. there are few theories as to why foreign politicians are receiving trump e-mail solicitations. i've been told it's been happening on purpose in an effort to troll the trump campaign. if so, it's been effective. latest theory, trump and sons grabbed different e-mail list, and poured them into campaign e-mail hobber, supporting the fact that trump's campaign is in desperate need to build a donor list. for now, this remains a mystery. we've reached out to the campaign for comment, but like
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it has been two years since isis officially declared a caliphate. in those two years, the group has incurred a gruesome death toll in the west and on a far more horrific scale in the middle east. that even as its territory has contracted. it has not claimed responsibility for the istanbul attack. earlier i spoke with "new york times" correspondent rukmini callimachi who has covered the group and asked her why isis hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack. >> that's a really good question. turkey is probably the only country perhaps in the world where isis does not claim credit for attacks that we believe they have carried out. the reason for this, according to analysts, is that turkey has acted as the rear base for isis ever since this group came to
prominence. it's through istanbul airport that hundreds if not thousands of their foreign recruits have past, and it's in southern turkey that many of them go to hospitals to get treated, to western union offices to send money, et cetera. so on the one hand, they want to, i think, punish turkey for their alliance with the west, but perhaps by not claiming credit, they're leaving just enough gray so that they don't create a full-on clash with the country that has, in a way, been a host for them. >> is that gray? what i have a heard time getting my head around, is the audience for that the state and the government, in erdogan, or is it the turkish people in southern turkey near the border area, who they do not want to alienate? >> well, i think that if turkey really wanted to crack down on
this group, there are a lot more things they could do to seal the border. and so, isis stands to lose a lot if suddenly turkey from one day to the next ramped up security at the border, where according to one source of mine who was just there, in certain places, there's a wall that you can quite easily scale. in other places, there's just a wire. and so it's a porous border and that has served them well. and so you can see how they might want to play it both ways. >> talk about what this means in terms of the direction of isis on what it is celebrating as a two-year anniversary of the decoration of its caliphate. it seemed very preoccupied primarily with governing a territorial area. it has seemed to shift towards more outward attacks. how should we understand that shift in strategy? >> chris, as i reported in an
article in the times a couple of months ago, i think what people have missed in this equation, is, they've missed how many failed plots there were by isis operatives sent from syria, how many failed plots there were in the west. isis began sending foreign fighters back to europe as early as 2014 before they even declared a caliphate. my own reporting has shown that these two goals, governing territory, and hitting the west, have really been intertwined since the very beginnings of this group as we know it today. there's a lot of chatter that isis is now hitting the west because they're squeezed in the territory in iraq and syria. that's simply not true. look back to the earliest attacks, starting with amush, jailer of the foreign hostages and who hit the brussels museum years ago. i think that paradigm is incorrect and we need to start
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country. skeptics and cynics can insist on denying what's right in front of our eyes, but the alaskan natives that i met whose villages are sliding into the sea, they don't have that luxury. they know it's not a hoax. >> the president addressing the canadian parliament, driving home the very real and present threats of climate change, especially in arctic regions like alaska. tonight as part of our series examining the direct effects of a warming planet, we visit barrel, alaska, where the ice that sustains an entire community is melting fast. >> the arctic is the leading edge of climate change. our leading indicator of what the entire planet faces. climate change is no longer some far-off problem. it is happening here. it is happening now. >> on the edge of the continent,
flanked by the tundra and the arctic ocean lies the northernmost city in the country, barrel, alaska. an american city 330 miles above the arctic circle and at the epicenter of climate change. >> the ice thickness has changed dramatically throughout the years. we've noticed that the ice is getting thinner and thinner every year. and that late into the fall, sometimes all the way into winter, we'll still have open water in barrel. we never used to have that. it's all melted. it's changing quick. and we have no choice but to adapt. >> the ice that grips the coast of barrow every year has sustained the people of barrow for millennia. long before the city ever existed, hunters and their families traveled out across the ice with boats and harpoons, waiting for the annual migration of the bowhead whale.
today, that tradition continues. whaling crews and their families gathering in make shift camps along the edge of the arctic ocean, rowing out across the freezing water, searching for whales. the community considers whale meat a vital staple, because any food that can't be hunted locally has to be flown in, making it expensive. for subsistence hunters like carl, the sea ice literally supports his family. and it's melting. >> the ice thickness is getting thinner and thinner. all this ice you're standing on is probably one to two-year-old ice. back then, it should be at least maybe 10 to 20-year-old ice. we're always trying to figure out how, where are we going to pull up a whale, are we going to catch a whale. because the ice nowadays can barely support anything anymore. >> and the sea ice isn't just thinning. it's shrinking. >> 20, 25 years ago, you would
travel at least ten to 20 miles out on the sea ice to reach the open water. and that's where we used to hunt bullhead whales. now, we barely come out a mile now. >> one of the reasons the sea ice is disappearing around barrow, can be detected in the air over barrow. just inland from the whaling camps themselves, the noah observatory measures levels of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. >> some of the pollutants that we meet have a long lifetime and they're reaching far-away places like barrow. >> gabby pat rowan is one of the scientists studying the air in barrow. what the data reveals is terrifying. >> we are now experiencing the most abrupt change in co2 in history. how fast we are changing the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is unprecedented.
it's really something that has not been seen in the natural world ever before. >> what is happening in barrow is happening around the globe, and it's happening fast. >> so the rate of increase of co2 at the moment is higher than it has ever been. and also higher than it has ever been in the last 800,000 years. and also the level is the highest ever. >> according to scientist peter tans, the unprecedented increase in carbon dioxide is heating the earth and having a massive effect on the arctic. >> in the arctic, the warming is stronger than anywhere else, which contributes to the disappearance of drifting sea ice. so the sea ice coverage is less and the ice is thinner, which has consequences for everything. >> in barrow, those consequences
are immediate and unavoidable. >> climate change is a big topic across the world, and we are right on the edge of it. we're seeing our waters' temperatures warming slightly, seeing less ice in our oceans, thinner ice. we're seeing coastal erosion as a result of not as much ice being a buffer for wave action. i had a cabin that i built a thousand feet from the edge of the ocean, and in less than ten years, it was 20 feet from the ocean. and i've moved it a mile away, and now it's only 3/4 of a mile away from the edge of the ocean. so we have a serious erosion problem up here. >> mayor mike ama has lived in barrow for over 40 years. he wants to move the entire city inland to save it from the effects of climate change. >> if there were enough money
available, my thought would be to move the town. >> but it's not that simple. barrow has a billion dollars worth of infrastructure -- houses, schools, a heated underground tunnel that keeps pipes and sewer lines from freezing. all of which makes moving prohibitively expensive. >> our coastal communities are tied to the ocean, so in the past they could move very easily. because you just build a new house. but we have buried infrastructure in all of our communities now, and there's no easy fix now. >> for the nearly 5,000 people who call barrow home, and who rely on the environment to feed their families, the reality of a rapidly shifting landscape is inescapable. >> it was all winter two days ago. but now it's summer.
where did spring go? that's what's happening more and more up here. our spring is getting shorter. our summers are getting longer. our winters are getting shorter, and warmer. this year was a warm winter. we're changing and we're changing fast up here. and we have no choice but to live with it. >> ever since the 1940s, noah has kept a record of the day the snow starts to melt in barrow. this year, the snow started melting on may 13th, the earliest it's ever melted on record. all week, we've been looking at climate change from barrow, alaska. a small louisiana community tomorrow, take you to miami, florida, beloved vacation destination for millions, and ground zero in the fight against the rising seas. billions of dollars of assets are currently vulnerable and billions more will be threatened in the coming decades. we'll take you there tomorrow night right here on "all in."
that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now. >> amazing work again. this series is stunning stuff, chris. thank you, chris. we have a couple of exclusives on the show tonight. stuff you won't hear anywhere else. we have a new special report on flint, michigan, tonight. if you have wondered how flint has been doing after the huge scrum of media attention they got a few months back when the country was briefly transfixed by that city getting lead poisoned by michigan state government. now we've gone back to flint. in our special report tonight, you'll see that what has happened there in the last few months and what is happening there right now is stuff that will surprise you. that is coming up tonight. we've also got exclusively some brand-new polling data in the presidential race, data that nobody else has got. we are debuting it here, hot off the