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suicide attack on the istanbul airport left over 40 people dead, attackers stormed in and exchanged gunfire with police and took dozens of hospitals in bangladesh. the deadly standpoint is going on nine harrowing hours. four security personnel have been killed. we've been told most of them after one hostage escaped and officers rushed forward to help, only to be met by a grenade tossed at them from a balcony. a group or seven or eight attackers entered a bakery in dhaka. in the hours since that time, they've held around 40 customers and staff hostage at gunpoint, including at least one foreigner, according to the senior police official. a news agency affiliated with isis claimed the group was responsible for the attack. that has not been confirmed by msnbc or the u.s. government.
joining me now on the phone from dhaka, an american citizen who's lived there since 2011. what do things like like at this hour? >> hi, chris. it's early morning here in dhaka and things are relatively quiet on the street where i am, which is just a few blocks away from the location. there's a few policemen and a few plain clothed individual walking down the street, but nothing seems to be happening. >> muna, the neighborhood, people have described it as upscale, as perceived as quite secure. there are a lot of expats. you live around there. give us your sense of what that area is like. >> um, yeah, i think that's a fair characterization.
you know, in previous times, felt safe, but dhaka in general feels relatively safe, except for in recent years things seem to be deteriorating, the state of law and order in general and sporadic attacks. obviously nothing as severe or scary as what's going on right now. >> describe to me the reaction today. there's now a nine-hour siege that's gone on. is this something that has been, i imagine, on television all the time? large areas cordoned off. is the nation sort of watching this unfold in realtime? >> yeah, i mean, i think there's just shock and disbelief at what is going on. my husband and i were supposed to fly out last night for the start of holidays here in dhaka, but we were unable to when the
area got cordoned off and all traffic has been stopped. and so we, like our friends and family across the country, got a couple of hours of sleep and things feel pretty tense this morning as well. it's just so unprecedented in bangladesh, and it feels so surreal, because this is also a place that is quite popular, has been over the last couple of years. my husband and i are there regularly, almost every week, and we know friends and friends of friends who are at the restaurant, which is attached to holeey bakery, which is where this is happening. and could have easily been any one of us, and that is just truly frightening. and there's a sense that we've rounded a corner and we're not really sure if we can come back
from this. >> you referenced before a sense of deteriorating law and order. there's been a set of attacks that have been quite targeted, bloggers who have been called gay activists, others who have been targeted for assassination, often in fairly brutal stabbings. is that what you're referring to, this ominous drum beat, but very targeted, that have preceded this event today? >> yeah. for sure there has been a very troubling trend over the last couple of years of the targeted killings of specific bangladeshi individuals who stand for progressive values, as well as random attacks of non-bangladeshi citizens, perceived to be western, or not from here. but you have to understand this is also in a larger context of deteriorating law and order in
the country generally and a sense of not really -- the government not really having control or trust from everyday people. and there's just a sense that the law enforcement agency, the government itself, are just losing legitimacy in the country in a lot of ways. >> thanks so much for joining me. i appreciate it, and i wish you best and hope you and everyone there can stay safe. >> thank you. >> i'm joined now by malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst and also ryan greer, fellow at the truman national security project. ryan, maybe i'll begin with you. give us a little bit of the context for extremist violence in bangladesh before today. there has, as i referenced before, been a growing number of attacks, and there's been a number of attacks that isis has claimed there. nothing of this scale thus far.
>> that's correct, chris. authorities are saying over the last couple of years, about 15 attacks that they can attribute to isis and their supporters. but let me say this, chris. they've responded with 12,000 arrests. so if we were going to arrest our way out of this challenge, they would have done it already. as the previous commentator mentioned, there's a political oppression and rule of law problem. if you're arrested 12,000 people, petty criminals and political dissidents, that will create political demand for more attacks like this. so after this tragedy ends, we have to ask ourselves, why is isis targeting bangladesh for recruitment and how does this end? the answer is rule of law and opportunities for their youth. >> ryan brings up a point, malcolm, zoom out for one moment, as we look at the last week. there was the horrible attack, of course in istanbul. there was a 17-year-old american citizen, in a settlement in the west bank who was stabbed to
death in the palestinian territories. and then there's this ongoing attack. sometimes the rhetoric in the u.s. focuses on insufficient toughness, insufficient exertions by the state, excessively loose civil liberties. it seems to me in all three cases, it's very hard to point to that as the source of the vulnerability. >> well, certainly. this isn't a question of toughness. all of these incidents that you mentioned, none of them had anything to do with the united states or u.s. government policy. it had to do with policies in a local area, in very specific way. other than the fact that strategically some of the attacks were carried out against westerners and the one in the west bank may have actually just been coincidence that it was an american citizen. but for the most part, isis's strategic campaign is to designed to destabilize nation states, to create chaos, to
create mayhem, and also to create a situation where governments overreact and clampdown on their citizenry, and that of course allows them to recruit better. we're seeing here in bangladesh, they managed to keep a covert organization for a long period of time. all of the attacks over the last two years, and i have an entire section of isis and bangladesh in my book. have showed they've been individual weapons attacks of individual people, but of prominent secular people. and the buddhist attack last friday, which was against poly theists. so all of these things are part of a spectrum of isis and al qaeda ideology, and that's where all the trouble originates. >> we should just take a moment to note that the campaign of terror waged, it appears by isis, in bangladesh, has been among the most chillingly vile in terms of the specific targeting of prominent individuals, who despite threats
have done tremendous courageous things like be an lgbt activist or a secular blogger. these are the kinds of folks who have been targeted. ryan, here's my question for you. this period of time, just the last six months, and this is unfolding here. we have not confirmed that it is in fact isis -- reminds me of the years in the last decade, the mid-oughts of the bali bombing, when al qaeda seemed to be gathering strength and spreading across the globe. that seems to have ratcheted back considerably and been replaced by the growth of isis. how should we understand isis's geographic spread at this moment? >> well, i have to say, malcolm is absolutely right. these are local community, root cause grievances that lead people to identify with these ideologies. you could say, chris, that al qaeda was recruiting in the same types of communities in bangladesh that now isis is recruiting. so it's spreading globally in
areas where people feel disenfranchised and marginalized. you have people in syria and iraq with isis from over 130 countries. that's most of the planet and it's mostly people who feel marginalized by their home societies in some way. we saw bangladesh as a potential target for isis recruiting. they announced that in november of last year. so we knew that this was coming. and with political oppression rife and a lot of unemployed youth, the local communities that would have adherence to probably any terrorist ideology that let them express anger and hatred, because they're so frustrated with their community lives, if it's not al qaeda, it's isis. and if it's not isis, it's the next isis. we have to get to the real root cause of the problems and not necessarily those who are tweeting from iraq and syria. though, as you mentioned, chris, isis has claimed responsibility, and they claim they have killed 24 people and wounded 40, which suggests they have information
from kind of the inside of the attack. so there could be kind of a coordination mechanism, as you mentioned the bali bombings, i'll mention the recent jakarta attack against police in the starbucks there. those attackers were mentored over the phone from iraq and syria. there could be some relationship like that. again, i suspect, based on the previous isis affiliated attacks in bangladesh, it's home-grown terrorists who are more or less saying they admire isis or are using isis for a branding advantage. >> it's striking to me, malcolm, in these two cases of what is unfolding right now in dhaka, the ninth hour of the stand-off. you're looking at pictures from a relatively affluent and leafy neighborhood in dhaka where that hostage situation continues. we don't have new details to provide you. of course we'll bring them to you as we do. but in this situation, and in istanbul earlier in the week, isis had taken some effort, particularly in the campaign in
bangladesh, to target specifically either people that they could claim were unbelievers or foreigners. in both the istanbul airport, and in this situation, you have them essentially slaughtering muslims during the holiest period of the year. >> yeah. this is -- i want to point something out here that also touched on what ryan said. these attacks are now doctrinalized under isis and al qaeda. they have shifted from going after military targets, in some respects, to all of their attacks in these chaos-filled countries, or countries with weak security infrastructures. they now go after hotels and restaurants, and mobility targets like airports where they can find westerners. however, we've noted very many times on this program, isis's principal target is muslims. they view that everyone outside of their apocalyptic cult, who does not go along with them, are legitimate targets, and that
includes the 1.6 billion muslims that don't believe in this corrupt belief system they do. so they have no problem with that. however, ramadan has traditionally always been, for virtually every islamic-based terrorist group in the world, a period where they didn't have attacks. isis has only recently created ramadan as a death month. as a matter of fact, only in the last two years. in the last ten days, the days of peace, they have ramped up their attacks. it's completely unislamic. >> and impossibly obscene. malcolm and ryan, thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. all right, we'll continue to monitor the hostage situation as morning arrives in bangladesh. next up, political news at home, donald trump makes yet another disturbing remark and his campaign faces new trouble ahead. and later, attorney general
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>> denver based turkish reporter asked donald trump a question at the western conservative summit in colorado this afternoon, trump responded with a question of his own. >> turkey? are you from turkey, sir? good, congratulations. i actually have a very nice job in turkey. he's saying, please mention turkey. okay. i think he's friend. are you friend or foe? huh? i think he's friend. >> friend or foe. nbc news caught up with the reporter on the other end of that exchange, who said he was trying to ask about the terror attack in istanbul on tuesday. >> i was trying to get please one answer about turkey, you know. i got several questions, but at
least i would try to, you know, attempt ask him at least one question, you know what i'm saying. >> trump did eventually talk about turkey, claiming the nation could defeat isis on its own. >> turkey has a tremendously powerful military, and they could wipe isis out by themselves. i would love to see that. would we love to see that? >> up next, why trump has started what sounds like a high school football player still talking about the big game 30 years later. that's next. >> thank you both. both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away
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country. they could be isis. i used to say they're probably not. but now i say many of them probably are. >> donald trump in colorado today, claiming a significant number of refugees are actually secret isis terrorists. of course saying that without any evidence whatsoever. trump also took time to relive his glory days in the republican primary. like a high school quarterback at a 30-year reunion, wallowing in the minutia of the one big upset against the school's main rival. >> one of the things i'm most proud about is that in the history of the republican party, with 17 people running, i had the most votes of anybody that's ever run in the primaries. we had almost 14 million votes. think of it. won 37 states. >> it's not surprising trump wants to live in the past because the present is looking pretty ugly. the updated battleground map gives hillary clinton 255
electoral votes in dark blue and the states that lean democratic in light blue. trump is looking at a total of 190 electoral votes from likely gop states in dark red, as well as four states that now lean republican. that means trump would need to sweep all of the toss-up states to keep clinton from claiming the presidency. as to explain trump's troubles in the polls, sean spicer offered this explanation. >> i think part of this is he's not focused on a general election strategy. he's not as well known. he has not done the things he needs to do and pivot to in a general election. >> not as well known, donald trump. that claim comes about two weeks before the republican convention. trump indicated his wife plans to be among the speakers, but "the new york times" reports much of the program remains in
flux, including how and when mr. trump will arrive and speak. two aides told the times mr. trump was not aware that the event had to be held in cleveland, a decision made almost two years ago by the republican national committee. joining me now, political reporter at "the guardianguardi" you were on the trail and you used to watch the trump stump speech come in, and he would spend a majority of time talking about his polls. talking about the polls. now he can't do that because most of the polls show him behind. so he's in a kind of almost pathetic way, spends that period of time talking about like the greatest hits from his triumph in the primary. have you ever seen something like that? >> no. but there's so much about donald trump that we haven't seen before, chris. and, look, we're nearing now two months to the day when the indiana primary, in essence, made him the presumptive
republican nominee. that was what forced ted cruz out of the race on may 3rd. so he's had nearly two months now to make this pivot to the general election and it seems like every week, if not almost every day, his campaign puts out more and more indication that you're going to start to see a more presidential trump. he's going to start to switch over toward policy and really trying to draw contrast with hillary clinton. and he'll do it for about a day, then he'll go back to himself. the fact of the matter is, donald trump can't help himself. he really is going to continue to be trump. you pointed to that comment he made to the reporter from turkey. yesterday he engaged a woman who said we should fire muslims from the tsa. in the meantime, he's not building a ground game or raising the kind of money he needs to run a credible, general election campaign. >> and yet, here's the one piece of good news that strikes me for donald trump in that battleground map, the state of pennsylvania. pennsylvania has been declared a
toss-up based on the battleground polling we have at nbc news. the other thing that makes you think it is a toss-up is the fact that there's been a heavy ad buy announced by the clinton folks in pennsylvania. mitt romney made the famous head faint toward pennsylvania in the final days of the campaign and people talk about pennsylvania is finally going to go red and it doesn't. but this strikes me, for the clinton folks, genuinely concerning at this moment. >> yes, what we've always known is that if there's a narrow path way that donald trump has to the presidency, it's through the rust belt. that's been his strategy, if there's been a coherent strategy -- or consistent strategy, to try to tap into that frustration among working class white voters in states like pennsylvania, as well as ohio. at the same time, i think because he can't seem to stick to the script, he did give a speech earlier this week where it was certainly crafted by paul manafort. he was reading off teleprompters
and he went after hillary clinton on nafta and trade and tried to drive home messages that would resonate with that crowd. but again, now you see him today reliving the glory days from the primary and not really making much sense on the stump. so the question is, can we even keep it up. when you get closer to the general and hillary clinton invests and she has the ground game in place, in formation in a lot of states, he's going to continue to be at a disadvantage and it will be really difficult for him to catch up. >> i continue to wonder what the heck this convention is going to look like. at one level, if he has a single talent, it's showmanship, so it seems like this should be up his alley. at the same time, who is going to speak, who is going to want to speak? how are they going to program and fill all the air time if no one wants to show their face? >> that seems to be the question of the hour, who is actually willing to appear at this convention and who among more
incredible republican lawmakers is willing to go and speak on donald trump's behalf? one of the problems they face, the only people willing to accept a speaking slot are people who are going to reinforce his appeal in the republican base, sarah palin or michele bachmann, that's not going to do much. he needs marco rubio and ted cruz. and they haven't indicated whether or not they'll attend the convention. we already know a lot of the former republican presidential nominees, they're sitting it out. so it's an open-ended questions who's going to be there and he hasn't given them reason in the last six weeks or so, to throw their support behind him and tie themselves to his candidacy. >> sabrina, thank you. >> thank you. coming up, forget about speaking, who would be willing to attach themselves to this campaign as donald trump's vp pick? new reporting on the two trump favorites and they're perfect, ahead. what do doctors from
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optics that we love to talk about, having the nation's top prosecutor talking to a former president while her department leads an investigation into the possibility of his wife possibly committing a crime, well, probably not a good look. now the meeting was entirely impromptu, the two talked grandchildren and golf and other things, unrelated to the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail practices at the state department. but those assurances did, of course, nothing to convince donald trump. >> bill clinton goes in the other day, into an airplane, just happened to be just a coincidence, happened to be at the airport at this time. think of it, happened to be at the airport. talking about golf and grandchildren. i love my grandchildren so much, but talking about them for nine or ten seconds, i love that one and that one and they're
beautiful, i love these kids. after that, what are you gonna say, right? >> i will note, some have more to say than a few seconds on their grandkids. but was this a bone headed move or classic clinton media frenzy or nothing? we'll talk about it next. ♪ it's here, but it's going by fast. the opportunity of the year is back: the mercedes-benz summer event. get to your dealer today for incredible once-a-season offers, and start firing up those grilles. lease the c300 for $379 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. hello welcome to holiday inn.
the most important thing for me as the attorney general is the integrity of this department of justice, and the fact that the meeting that i had is now casting a shadow over how people look at or view that work is something that i take seriously and deeply and painfully. so i think it's important to provide as much information as we can, so that people can have a full view of how we do our work and why we do our work, and how this case is going to be resolved, as well as how all the cases that we look at are going to be resolved. >> an attempt to quiet the world
from her conversation, she said she would not interfere with final decision-making process about whether to charge hillary clinton in the investigation of her use of a private e-mail server and said she would leave it up to career prosecutors. which is no small thing. typically the attorney general has the final word over whether prosecutors seek an indictment in a case like this. when the fbi sought charges against petraeus, her predecessor stepped in and reduced the charge to a misdemeanor. lynch is not recusing herself by any means. he could review any decision. she's just saying, she is not going to change it. still, for even democratic politicians have been left shaking their heads. chris coons said, quote, it doesn't send the right signal. joining me now, msnbc
contributor joan walsh. i guess i'm torn on this one. it just seems bizarre and boneheaded. although the context is that apparently this is a thing that bill clinton does with people when he's on the tarmac in the private jet portion of the airport and when he finds out someone else is there. he gets out and goes to talk to them. like with ted cruz. but i just find it a strange move. >> yeah, i agree. in the best of all worlds, he wouldn't have done it. and my heart goes out to attorney general lynch on this one. jonathan asked the question we all wanted to ask, what were you thinking? and she can't tell us. she may have been thinking, oh, my god, mr. president, what are you doing? you can't boot him off the plane. and secondarily, i hate the word optics, we all agree the optics are bad, but the substance of this is ridiculous. you have to believe that she is likely to be indicted and you also have to believe that this was the best way he had to
potentially talk to her and influence that. both of those things are crazy. so the idea that we spend all day, you know, on cable news, every channel, chasing the story, it led the news all day until the tragedy in bangladesh. that's wrong. >> josh, you wrote a piece about your concern for the lack of concern about the optics. so i want to argue another direction. from what joan said, from all the illegal analysis, the chances of indictment seem vanishingly small, a. b, he's the ex-president and she's the current attorney general. in his mind, he's just going to do the bill clinton thing. why should this be such a big deal? isn't this a classic clinton witch-hunt? >> it's a classic clinton thing, but the classic thing is a problem. i don't think the word optics does this justice. it matters whether the public is
suspicious that a political figure is subject to undue influence or is exerting undue influence. this is part of a broader pattern. when hillary clinton took $650,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs. maybe they thought she would be really interesting, or maybe they would be in a better position with someone who would be president in the future. why were foreign governments giving so much money to the clinton foundation? maybe because they thought it was the ideal entity to give to, or maybe they thought it would put in a good word for them with someone who would be president of the united states. the clintons do not seem at all concerned about trying to prevent the creation of these concerns about what undue influence surrounds them. this is just another small example of it. i wouldn't worry about it, if it weren't part of the much broader thing. he got on her plane. he didn't have to get on her plane. >> it was -- josh, i love your piece and i agreed with 70% of
it. but it was 103 degrees on the tarmac. you're not going to sit there and shake her hand and make small talk on the tarmac. >> but the weirder decision is to go initiate the whole thing to begin with. >> right. >> the normal thing to do is to just be like, look at that coincidence, loretta lynch, i'll send her an e-mail right now. we're sitting on the same tarmac. >> hope you're well, how are the grandkids. >> exactly. but this, i think relates in some ways to the e-mail situation, which is, their psychology and i'm not defending it, because i agree with you, that it actually genuinely is harmful. their psychology is, we are so unfairly persecuted and maligned by everyone, everyone decides the worst of us, there's nothing we can do in our actions that will stop that, so why should i not go say high to loretta lynch, and i want to tell her about my grandkids and my golf game? >> i think that is their psychology, but i think it's
incorrect. i bei think we learned that in this primary. the idea of clinton scandals, pushed by the right and ignored by the left. the clintons were defended by people on their side. then you saw the bank speaking fees sticking to the clintons. and i think this has to do with the fact that there's been an overall decline in establishment politicians and institutions. people feel they've been disserved by people in charge on both sides of the aisle for so long. so people like the clintons who could get away with this stuff in the '90s, they said why should i worry about whether people in washington are in it for themselves, because they're generating good things for everyone. people need to be on their best behavior right now. this is something president obama has understood. he knows that at a time of such distrust you have to be even more trustworthy than normal. the clintons are not at all
conscientious about that. >> that i would agree with this. the last round in the '90s, pushed by the right and defended by the left. it's true in the impeachment era, there was a running to defend the clintons, but they were not defending the clintons and i'm not even talking about their economic policy. go read christopher hitchens in that magazine on every scandal that happened, he was all in on it. so there was this sense even then among the left and you see that mirrored in a certain portion of sanders supporters, that they have the same vision of them. >> i wrote a scathing pitch for salon back in 2001 when he did it. so there are exceptions. overall, i really think josh makes a good point, that the world has changed. and let's take them out of it. i think even she needs to be more conscientious about the appearance of being too cozy
with the established powers. >> let me say this, one thing we shouldn't lose sight of here, i do think the right has succeeded in producing an expectation that the obvious thing for the fbi to do in this case is indict. despite from a legal perspective, that would be a massively unexpected result, not just because of the politics, but actually the way the fbi would go about prosecuting this. and josh, a large part of this, they have created this expectation that the handcuffs are coming out any day, and if they don't, they get to say it was a manipulation. >> i think that's an expectation among certain parts of the conservative base. but i think this meeting, i think people can look at this meeting and think it was untoward. even if they think there was probably not going to be an indictment in the case, there's still an active investigation for which she is about to be interviewed probably this weekend, it's just not the right time to be taking a meeting that looks like you might be trying to exert influence over it.
especially if you think she's not going to be indicted, because this thing will at some point in the near future go away. >> i agree with chris. they are screaming about this, it looks bad. but partly screaming about it so they get to scream that the fix was in, when she's not indicted, which she will not be. >> final thought on this, this was not a secret meeting, whatever you want to say about it, untoward, improper, dumb, boneheaded, this was public, there were all sorts of people around and that's why we know about it. thank you both for joining us. coming up, reports trump could pick his running mate before the convention. a look at the vp short list ahead. so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. now you're an expert in less than a minute. this is truecar.
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"new york times" reported today the trump campaign expects to announce mr. trump's running mate before the republican convention, which kicks off in just over two weeks. nbc news reporting suggests there are now four front-runners for that job. bob corker, chris christie, mike pence, who plans to meet with trump in new york this weekend, and former house speaker newt gingrich. gingrich would seem to be a particularly bad fit since trump has been pounding a protectionist message, opposing all sorts of trade deals, and gingrich has long been a staunch advocate for precisely those kinds of trade deals. he was helping to round up the gop votes for nafta in the '90s and standing beside bill clinton when the president signed that trade deal into law in 1993. but nbc news has confirmed that
gingrich is being vetted for the number two slot and he seems to be willing to say whatever it takes to get the job. >> i basically agree with trump's speech on trade, he said in an interview today. democratic political consultant, who happens to be a former contestant on the apprentice. charlie, i'll start with you. what do you think of the top four list? >> well, first of all, god is not a good enough friend of mine to have newt gingrich on the ticket, so i don't know that that's going to happen. second of all, if the trump people are actually vetting chris christie, can the people in new jersey who are investigating chris christie subpoena those files? i think this is a legitimate question. and third, mike pence is sort of the tim cane case. except that mike pence has been on the wrong side of just about every social issue for the last two years. a federal judge just what could a restrictive anti-choice law today, and you remember that last year he signed one of those phony religious liberty bills
into law a week before the final four, and the ncaa, which is located two blocks from his capital, went out of its mind. he doesn't have a lot to choose from there. >> you get the sense when you look at this four, and i'm skeptical of both corker and pence frankly. i think enough of those -- those two men have enough of a future in the republican party that they would not want to necessarily roll the dice with a donald trump ticket. but that's not true for gingrich and christie who both don't have the same kind of future and seem temperamentally trump-esque. and you think that's what trump likes, because he likes himself a lot. >> donald trump's first choice is obviously donald trump. >> exactly. >> but since he can't do that, he's looking for a donald trump-like figure and certainly chris christie has one trait that donald trump, i think, really likes. he has that man servant level of loyalty, and trump is big on that. i don't see chris christie, though, being the pick. i'd be very surprised if he
picked him, because first of all, you have the bridgegate trial, which is going to be coming up. certainly that will get a lot of publicity if he's running for vice president. on top of it, donald trump does understand that he has to repair some of the relationships and understand how d.c. works at least. so that's where newt gingrich would have, even though it's been quite a while, he would certainly have more expertise there. and with respect to chris christie, donald trump has rubbed a lot of republicans the wrong way, we know that. the only person who's probably rubbed as many republicans the wrong way is chris christie. republicans in new jersey don't even like chris christie. he has a difficult time with his own republicans in his state. and he rubbed the republicans in congress the wrong way on many occasions. and he has no real d.c. experience. so i just don't -- i don't see that. and just in terms of baggage, he has more baggage than a trump hotel. but newt gingrich, on the other hand, just like donald trump, he
said, just like you said, he's willing to say whatever, whenever, to get back into the spotlight. >> well, that is certainly true. i mean, i think watching newt gingrich, who, not just now, there was a whole variety of trade legislation that moved through during the 1990s that newt gingrich was instrumental in pushing. the idea that he comes around and says i basically agree with donald trump's speech which was a complete repudiation of the bipartisan agenda and consensus in the 1990s. that strikes me as essentially just a craven and desperate ploy to remain in the running. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i mean, newt gingrich, remember he sat on the sofa with nancy pelosi, saying that we need to
do something about claimaimate change. so he's taken multiple positions multiple times. and they have certain predilections in terms of their track record with women. so i think they have a lot in common. and the word on the street is that donald trump likes newt gingrich. >> well, here's, i think, the reason it will be christie. my sense of trump is that, and in talking to people that have spent time in his inner circle, reporting on it and watching this unfold during the campaign, it's loyalty over all. cory lewandowski was viewed by almost everyone as in over his head, not very good at his job, abusive to people, screaming at people. he said -- there's all sorts of things and rumors about what he'd say to reporters when he called them at night. and yet he stayed in that job for a long time because he was loyal. if you look at the trump organization, it's basically run
by his kids. so if you're donald trump, it's like what do you want more than anything? you want loyalty. chris christie in abasing himself serially has seemed to show that. >> yes, chris christie has turned into alfred the butler. he's now the trump family retainer. and newt gingrich will never be that, because as we all know, newt gingrich is one of the most unprincipled scoundrels who's ever walked through washington. you probably have to go back to aaron bird to find somebody whose principles are so flexible. [ all speak at once ] >> the guy has never shot anyone. th that i know of. >> that's one of the more principled things aaron bird ever did. but if i'm donald trump and i bring newt gingrich on the ticket, my second hire is a food taster. >> you would have to watch your
back from day one. my prediction, and i don't make many, but i think chris christie has the inside track at this point. thank you to you both. >> thank you. >> that's "all in" for this evening. happy canada day, i want to say thin thanks -- >> are you guys -- >> rachel maddow starts right now with joy reid in for rachel. good evening. >> since when did being an unprincipled scoundrel prevent someone from being a candidate for higher office? i'm joy reid filling in for rachel with a well deserved night off tonight. we have a very busy friday. usually days like this, slow news days, no particularly big news. not today. so we're going to begin by covering a lot of news tonight, including a conversation "the washington pt"