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subject of the popular conversation about the meeting. how it's talked about in politics. how it's talked about in the water cooler. people having dinner with family and debating the issue. today hillary clinton gave an interview with the fbi. she travelled to the fbi headquarters in washington, d.c. i spent most of this day outside her home in washington. we saw her leave early this morning. we saw her come back. and that time line fit exactly as the campaign statement. there had been no official conversation she was going submit to the interview before it happened. after the fact the campaign did come forward with a statement which is from her spokesman nick merrill. it says -- i'm going to pull it up for you.
we learned from that there won't be a formal tv media interview to follow this where she'll talk about the questions. we'll certainly have our colleagues in the press, i'm sure, will ask her about it on the campaign trail. they're sending the signal she will not discuss it. part of the timing is that we have been under the impression, all though the department of justice hasn't been sharing a time line that they expect to wrap up what has been a long investigation prior to the national conventions, which are coming up later this month. for hillary clinton this is an opportunity to turn the page personally. she had first volunteered to submit to this kind of an interview in august of last year. so it's almost a year now. and that becomes a geshting process between her lawyers and the department of justice as they're going through interviewing others, looking for information, reviewing e-mails. whatever steps they've been taking. the interview is the type we've learned from talking to sources.
it's not a raise your hand, put your hand on the bible type of interview. it's not a formal deposition. it's the kind of thing where she would be subject to a law called making false statements to the fbi. if she were not to give answers truthfully, that would be a violation of law. but there isn't a typical oath you see in a court case or a deposition. that doesn't mean she has any less legal jeopardy, if she were not fully forthcoming. it's the category of the kind of interview it was. republicans, of course, have been jumping on this. this has been a big issue for them in the campaign season. earlier today a top official at the rnc tweeted jumping on that idea of voluntary. again, that is the kind of thing that is a legal term. sean spicer said that hillary clinton campaign statement said she voluntarily met with the fbi for three and a half hours this morning. a little sarcasm this morning. at voluntary means not compelled
by the power of a subpoena. there are a lot of people through the process of being a part of investigations who are compelled by subpoenas. this was not this kind of case. what impact will have it on her convention? will have it on the race? we don't know. the conclusions have not been made public. the investigation itself is not yet complete. >> and let me ask you this about the time table for when we can expect the fbi to make a recommendation. >> i'm sorry, ayman. >> no problem. >> my apologies. >> in terms of the investigation and the time line we've heard from attorney general loretta lynch she's saying whatever they recommend she's going to accept, but what do we know about the time line of how this investigation is going to wind up? >> because of the sensitive nature of this. there could, in fact, be a criminal exposure for hij or perhaps herself. because of the highly sensitive nature of this, the department of justice has not been giving us a big preview.
it's been going on for some time. we know that sort of with you think of the rings on a tree where they go for the out earrings into the center. they've interviewed many people. they have gotten information through documents and through conversations with witnesses. so we believe that hillary clinton herself was expected to be among the last witnesses questioned. that suggests they have completed the document-based equipment-based issues in terms of understanding the server, what it did or didn't do. they completed the testimony that is the supposition here for gathering facts from the individuals. some of her closest aids submitted to interviews. it suggests that the end is near. again, we don't know that for certain. we don't know what kind of a recommendation there will be from the department of justice. in other kind of cases, there can be a situation where they say it may have been and improper handling but no charges. thinking in terms of the irs and
the targeting of conservative groups. that went through a lo process. in the end they decided not to file any criminal charges. we don't know. >> let me ask you this about the meeting that had taken place between bill clinton and attorney general loretta lynch. how did the campaign respond to that or react to that to the fact that the attorney general publicly said she would accept the fbi's recommendation on the server investigation. what has been the fall out of this for the campaign? >> certainly they tried to say this was a social meeting between the former president and the attorney general talking about, you know, sort of family life things. grand kids and their lives. it's apparently lasted 30 minutes base ed accounts from gd sides. that's a good, healthy conversation. the speculation has been that whether they talked about anything that would be improper or not. and certainly both have said nothing improper was discussed. the appearance was harmful to both the attorney general and to the clinton campaign.
the reason for that is, of course, loretta lynch has oversight of the justice department at a time when the former president's wife is involved in this investigation. so even democrats have said it was a lapse of judgment for them to have the meeting. it should not have taken place. it happened on the tarmac at the phoenix airport. they had a government airport, and i'm not sure if the former president's was a government plane. they both had aircraft parked there and the former president went over to see the attorney general. she didn't -- she didn't know he was coming, aapparently, but in reflection she has been clear it cast a shadow she didn't want to cast. she regrets having done it. she recognizes it was not appropriate. what she said because she's a political appointee, she will not try to alter the conclusions by the career professionals inside the justice department. people who work there regardless who is president. who have been working on the investigation. if they offer a recommendation,
she has said she will do her best to accept that and not make a change. she left a little bit of wiggle room but trying to assure people it wouldn't be a political decision made when the seven-day forecast -- evidence is brought to you. >> thank you. more on the e-mail investigation and hillary clinton's interview with the fbi coming up in just a few minutes. we want to start now with breaking news of bangladesh. 20 people were killed following a 12 hour standoff with terrorists at a restaurant. the state department confirms an american citizens was one of the victims. a miami-native attending emory university. two foreign-born students one from emory and one from berkeley, california. isis is claiming responsibility for the attack. u.s. officials, though, have not confirmed that claim. turning now to the investigation of the terror attacks in turkey and nbc news learned of a possible lead in the airport terror attack that
killed at least 45 people. the turkish police, they think man, one-armed ahmed is the planner behind this airport attack in istanbul. they have not confirmed this. but the treasury department had had him as a member of isis back in october saying he was a part of the group of militants planning attacks against u.s. and turkish facilities. after the recent terrorist attacks here and abroad combined with the july 4th weekend, extra security has been put in place in major cities and airports across the country. a record 43 million people are expected to travel this holiday weekend. while the majority will be driving, 5.5 million travelers will be among those passing through new york city's airport. morgan is joining us from the jfk airport map is the security measure you have noticed the
most? anything different in terms of the the lay of the lound? >> reporter: what is interesting there are a lot of security outside of the nation's airports. here at jfk they have doubled down, especially after just three days ago. they had their own security scare here. luckily everything turned out well. there are still more than a thousand freshly minted nypd officers who are just sworn in yesterday who are patrolling new york streets. 5,000 officers in chicago, and the coast guard sweeping the west coast. a lot of people who spoke to traveling today said, frankly, they're not scared. they have faith in the nation's authorities and in tsa agents. they're not letting the fear of terrorism stop their fun fourth. >> i have a lot of faith in our security and our government, you know, trying to keep the citizens safe. at the same time as a parent, i also, you know, i want what is best for my child. i try to keep my eyes open as best i can. and, you know, pray for the best. >> what went through your mind when you saw more policeman?
>> i felt safer. like, you feel safer when somebody is there to protect you. it felt like it's -- it felt better. >> earlier my mom texted me and said be careful. it doesn't bother me that much. i travel pretty often. i'm kind of used to it. >> reporter: ayman, to give you context. about 85% of this weekend's travelers are actually going to be hitting the road. that's upwards of 36 million people. there's already people who died this weekend since yesterday. in fact, there's a big car crash that happened in tallahassee that killed at least four people and left two dozen injured. so this is one of the deadliest days and one of the deadliest weekends to be hitting the road. authorities say no matter how you're getting to your destination. it's important you stay vigilant and aware in these heavily trafficked areas. >> morgan, let me ask you about the other cities in terms of what they're doing to protect travelers. is there anything notable in terms of the security postures that other cities are taking?
>> reporter: frankly, it's mostly in numbers. we're seeing more security guards. i was at la guardia yesterday. it's not your typical tsa agents, you're seeing policemans, military guard, the national guard. it's the type of military personnel and the type of authority figure and the numbers. >> morgan raffort, thank you. i want to bring in former assistant secretary of defense and senior fellow at the center for american progress, and bill gavin former assistant director of the fbi in new york. thank you for joining us. lawrence, if i can begin with you. we're in the middle of this holiday weekend, and it's not just any weekend. you know, the symbolism of july 4th. america's independence. peak travel season, if you will. how concerned should americans be when they're traveling throughout the holiday weekend? >> well, i think as jeh johnson, the director of homeland security said this week.
we have very good information on any attacks that are planned from abroad, which looks like what happened in istanbul and in bangladesh. what you have to worry about is the self-radicalized people here who might get radicalized by the internet. but i think with the beefd up security, i wouldn't worry at all. i think people -- they ought to go. if we live in fear and not do what we want to do, they win. we don't thapt to happen. >> and, bill, you know, lawrence brought up a good point, the u.s. perhaps some fire wall measures to prevent the kind of attacks that are inspired or directed abroad. maybe not so much on the radicalization front here domestically. but what concerns you the most about the investigations of these recent attacks and how to prevent similar ones back here in the u.s. by isis? >> well, ayman, there's no way to absolutely prevent any attack from happening. we can change the arena a little bit. we can change the rings of
security to move farther out from transportation hubs, which have been, you know, a real source of targeting for the isis folks. we can do those kinds of things. you're always going to arrive at some point in time with a soft target on the out earring of that security. so you don't have to be -- i agree with lawrence. there's no need to be paranoid about the whole thing. you need to keep that antenna up to catch pings on the antenna draft you can translate and bring to the attention of authorities. it's not an easy job. if something can happen in the united states, we do a good job in connection with our folks overseas and our intelligence in law enforcement and liaison with overseas folks. in this united states, we've been pretty good at also determining who the self-radicalized terrorists are. but somebody is going to get through that -- come over the grid and get through the net. it will always happen. >> lawrence, let me ask you about the overall fight against
isis. one concern many expressed you go after isis in iraq and syria. you're splintering the organization. foreign fighters may be carrying to their homes or wanting to lash out overseas to punish the countries carrying out the fight inside syria and isis. how satisfied are you with the approach of united states fighting isis? >> i think we have exactly the right approach. we are taking the lead. there are countries involved. we're not putting hundreds of thountds of american troops on the ground. it looks like a fight between the islamic world and the united states. we're sharing intelligence with all the other countries along that are involved. i think a lot of people have recognized that as you beat them in iraq and syria, we've made tremendous. we took back fallujah. we're on the way to take back some cities in northern syria up to the tush irk border. they're going to try to do these
things. it's important to have good intelligence. it looks like the people who, you know, did this horrible thing in istanbul had come over the turkish border. the turks had not kept the border closed because they wanted to get rid of assad and they were letting fighters go through. hopefully they'll get the lesson now. >> gentlemen, i appreciate your insights this holiday weekend. >> thank you. my pleasure. next the potential toll of today's breaking news out of washington. hig officially meeting with the fbi over the use of her personal e-mail server. what it can move for her campaign moving forward. how i stay active. and to keep up this pace, i need the right nutrition. so i drink boost®. boost® complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones, and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. in three delicious flavors. i'm not about to swim in the slow lane. stay strong. stay active with boost®.
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and more on clinton's along awaited interview this morning i'm joined by david corner msnbc political analyst as well as david mortusko. david, if i can begin with you. the meeting being described according to the state put out by the campaign as a voluntary interview lasted about 3.5 hours at fbi headquarters. the timing just happening weeks before the democratic convention. how significant is the timing here? should anything be read into when the meeting is taking place? >> i don't think so. we know that the fbi and the justice department have been investigating how her e-mails were handled. it's only natural that an investigation probably more toward the end of the investigation than at the beginning. the fbi agents would want to talk to the top dog. to the principal on this and put final questions perhaps to her. it's not a surprising move. i don't think we can read too
much into it. what it means regarding where the investigation will come out if we can read anything into it. i think it might mean they're coming to a close, which might be good news for the democrats if this happens and gets all sort of buttoned up before the democratic convention. >> david, is there any implication on the timing of this that could possibly in any way affect the campaign, throw the wrench in possibly vice presidential negotiations going on. >> i don't think so at this point. i think the campaign has known for awhile they were going to have to deal with this by sending secretary clinton into the fbi's lairs, so to speak, at some point before the end of the summer. no matter what the fbi director said on the record, you can't let it stretch out until the election. there was no way he was going to do it to the country. i agree with david corn. they expected it to happen now.
i think the only thing that is surprising to me, they only spent 3.5 hours with her. i expected it to be a full-day exercise full of all sorts of tactics to get her to say things that contradicted the evidence they had. the purpose of the meeting is to get her version on the record and compare it with what they found out by searching her e-mail server and all sort of other evidences. >> you're saying 3.5 hours you think suggests it was not as severe, perhaps not as intense as the investigation would have suggested? >> no, what i think is that it indicas the fbi has narrowed the scope of their investigation to only a few things. >> got it. >> if they were still really casting a wide net, it would have been a longer interview. >> david corn, you know washington very well. in scenarios like this where the investigation could go in a lot of directions, on the spectrum of possibilities, is the campaign preparing or do they have a game plan in place for whenever the final report comes out? >> i would assume they talked about different possibilities
internally and i don't know what they, you know, how much preparation they can make. all the reporting on this has indicated that these cases rarely go toward indictment. there's a lot that hillary clinton may have done that was wrong and, indeed, was wrong with the way the e-mail is set up and what happened. but everything that is wrong is not necessarily illegal. you can violate regulations and national archives rules. and all sorts of things. and still not commit a crime. the fbi and the justice department they have really one mission here and one mission alone to determine if there were any crimes committed. they may not put out a final report saying what did or did not happen. we have the ig reports from the state department and the intelligence committee that go into those sort of matters. again, you know, a lot could have gone wrong here. i believe it did. that doesn't mean we're going to get any criminal action. >> right. david, let's talk about bill clinton's role in this.
obviously, not the e-mail server specifically but in recent weeks the meeting with the attorney general. do you think there's a concern within the campaign that he's a liability here? >> well, i don't know if the campaign is aware of it, he's clearly a liability. the loretta lynch should have kicked his butt off the airplane. it was improper for him to wait for her to show up. my sources indicate within the sort of the security community and secret service and all that is that what he wanted to find out was what the scope of this investigation was going to be. i don't believe for a second he didn't ask her questions about the investigation. i do believe that the former president is concerned about her legal liability. let's be honest here, the u.s. espionage act appears to my rather sober view having been violated. you don't have to intend to violate that. mere negligence is enough to a trigger a 10-year prison term. is the fbi prepared to look the
other way? and i suspect that's what bill clinton was talking to loretta lynch about. i hope she was honest and forthright to say we're not having that conversation, mr. president. clearly the optics are just awful for the clinton campaign. >> david corn, one last question. this is about the latest nbc wall street journal poll that found 41% of respondent said that donald trump was more honest and straight forward. 25% said the same of hillary clinton. do you think giving this interview today with the fbi is going to hurt or help her image among those? >> i don't think it's going to have an impact either way. i think you'll have people like donald trump calling her crooked and people like david here speculating and kind of ins insinuating she's already guilty of committing a crime violating the es pe espionage act.
it's a matter of intention and a matter of consequence. and we have yet to see any consequences here or any intentions. there are a lot of open questions. i can't speculate on what happened between bill clinton and loretta lynch as improper as the meeting was. i don't think this interview is going to change the minds of anybody on either side. >> all right. msnbc political analyst david corn and david mortosko. combatting terror from the air with drone strikes. the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside a war zone is sparking a swift response by activists and raising questions about if more can be done to save civilians when targeting terrorists. stay with us. e packs... so guys with ed can... take viagra when they need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension.
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today. we're now getting a statement from the rnc that has just reacted to this interview that took place. this statement was put out by the republican national committee chairman reince priebus. it was released on hillary clinton's 3.5 hour interview with the fbi headquarters. quote, hillary clinton has taken the unprecedented step of becoming the first major party presidential candidate to be interviewed by the fbi as part of a criminal investigation surround her reckless conduct. that the fbi wanted her for questioning reinforces her central role in deliberating creating a culture which put her own political am bigs above state department rules and jeopardized our national security. in over 2,000 e-mails clinton's decision exposed classified information including 22 that included top secret intelligence so she can skirt transparency laws in order to hide her shady dealings as secretary of state. when you factor in clinton directed the server to be cover
up the tangled web of donors, and her family foundation, we must ask ourselves if this is the kind of leadership we inspect the white house. the american people need to have confidence that the obama justice department is conducting a fair and impar shall investigation but when the attorney general meets secretly with bill clinton just days before hillary's interrogation is conducted discreetly over a holiday weekend, it raises serious concerns about special treatment. others have lost their security clearances, their jobs, or even gone to jail for doing far less. clinton needs to be held to the same standards as everyone else. that statement being released by the republican national committee in response to hillary clinton's interview with the fbi earlier this morning. moving on to other news. on friday president obama disclosed that up to 116 civilians were killed in the 473 u.s. military and cia drone strikes in pakistan, yemen, and office. since he took office in 2009.
the first ever public disclosure comes as a response to mounting pressure from human rights groups about lethal u.s. operations overseas. nbc's jim miklaszewski joins us with the latest. jim, the president issued an executive order protecting civilians as more integral part of planning for the u.s. military as it consultant cond strikes. >> reporter: interesting about the executive order, it doesn't take effect until next year, long after president obama will be out of office. it will actually take a new president to take positive action to repeal this executive order, which might make that president look to be insensitive. frankly, critics are already saying that the president's attempt here at any transparency into those drone strikes and the number of civilian casualties was long on intentions but short on details. the number itself estimated 64 to 116 civilians killed is
ambiguous. it was human rights organizations are already putting that number at somewhere closer to one thousand. it's clear that you may never know the exact number of civilians killed in any of those strikes because there was no follow on investigation bit u.s. on the ground. but some of those organizations are demanding more information. they slam the report, once again, because it's short on details. exactly where the drone strikes were carry out, who were the targets, what was the evidence against them, and what were the results of those strikes, ayman? >> long on intent but short on details. nbc's jim miklaszewski. thank you. the 2016 veep stakes are on. donald trump reportedly narrowing his list of vice presidential picks. the names being tossed around to become trump's right hand man. it's in the quiet moments when you see why she does this. for hillary,
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the donald trump may be narrowing his search. reportedly meeting today with indiana governor mike pence at trump tower. we're joining by nbc's katy tur who has been covering the trump campaign for us. katy, good to see you. >> it's nice to be here. >> the meet, has been in the works for some time. >> it's actually at trump's government course in new jersey. we're not sure if they've met yet so far. we currently have a producer out there staking it out to see when governor pence will get there, but so far we've only seen black suvs go in. no actual sighting of governor pence quite yet. this meeting has been in the works for at least a few days, according to sources telling nbc news. as of thursday, governor mike pence was saying i he had no indication he would be considered for vp. then suddenly on friday he was flying out to see donald trump here in the tristate area to
talk to him. governor pence is potentially quite a good option for trump. he has a lot of legislative experience. he is a kboemgovernor. he can bring that to the table. he has experience in washington as a representative out there. so he has that in his favor, but he's not necessarily the type of personality that donald trump normally goes for. that's when you see others that, like newt gingrich and christina brown -- christie high on the process now. those are more trump's speed, if you will. they're more a-type personalities we've seen donald trump interact with in the past. >> katy tur, stick with us a little bit. while mike pence may be here in new york. another vice presidential pick is in colorado. former house speaker newt gingrich spoke calling it wild speculation he would be trump's
running mate. he said he and the presumptive republican nominee haven't had any conversations about the prospects. for more i bring in patrick griffin and david is back with us. political editor for the daily mail. good to have you with us. and katy tur with us here. let's start with the veep stakes. trump reportedly narrowing his search. do you think we'll find out his pick before the rnc convention? >> i do. i'm hearing he's planning to make the announcement before the cleveland convention. there are dark horse names swirling around. one name i'm hearing that has been discussed inside trump world is general michael flynn. the former head of the defense intelligence agency. i think trump understands how to play us all by distracting us with talk of gingrich and chris christie. i think he's going to pick somebody who offers something he doesn't offer. he and christie are pretty much carbon copies in terms of bluster.
he and gingrich in terms of p j politics. i would launch for him to pick a military legend, somebody like flynn. >> and patrick, i know trump tweeted earlier today he'll reveal the list of speakers at the convention on wednesday. some names that have been floating around include his wife and children. how significant is that? >> well, that's significant mainly because his children are one of the biggest straws donald trump had. whether people like donald trump or they don't, you cannot argue with the fact his kids are reimpressive. they have been popular on the campaign trail. they're willing spokes people surrogates for their father. the biggest problem is getting surrogates to speak at the convention. can they fill out the program? and who can trump get there to help make compelling nights of television one after another. it's been a challenge so far. >> and i know you followed the campaign very well. a lot of good sources in there. two trump campaign staffers
resigned this week. just after two weeks of joining the trump campaign -- >> he only joined last week. he resigned alongside erika freeman in charge of surrogates. >> how significant is it? >> it's significant in the sense they're trying to staff up but having a hard time retaining staff members. after corey lewandowski was fired it was supposed to even out. become more of a traditional campaign. we're hearing from our sources that kevin kelms resigned because there was differing visions between him and paul manafort who is in charge at the moment. so they are having problems staffing up even despite the roadblock of cory lewandowski, and that is significant because the campaign needs to start building an infrastructure if they're going to be effective against hillary clinton. she has a machine in place. >> right. there it's a well-oiled machine. donald trump does not have that.
he basically has himself. that has been extraordinarily effective, but going on into the general election it might not be as effective as it has been so far. >> one his strongest tools, if you will, has been his ability to tweet. it's definitely -- >> to drive a message. >> yeah. he's been effective in using twitter. it's gotten him in hot water including earlier today. >> yeah. he tweeted an image of hillary clinton in front of a pile of hundred dollar bills. there was what to be considered a star of david. that was deleted by donald trump about two hours later. but not before setting off a fire storm of criticism online. and accusations of anti-semitism. >> david, let me ask your reaction to that. it was a misstep or are people overreacting? >> i think it's both. it clearly was a misstep. someone didn't vet it it carefully enough. it's a lot of trump derangement syndrome. i live in a county in virginia
where sheriffs wear six-pointed stars. does it mean they're flaunting anti-jewish -- no. there are a lot of people in the democratic and republican party who are waiting for donald trump's people to do anything they can remotely construe as insensitive. >> and there's been a lot of cases of them doing that. >> patrick, your reaction. >> he gives them plenty of reason to do that. there's a constant trump watch for the next unforced error. and these are the kinds of things that are unnecessary. we're heading into the republican convention. donald trump's job now is to add people to his base. the people he's got are going nowhere. these kinds of errors push people away at a critical time. i think this vice presidential thing, ayman, you're talking about is going to have an enormous impact on whether or not trump drives the narrative forward from the convention or not. it says a lot about temperament and choice and judgment. there's a lot of discussion about hillary clinton's judgment now. the first guy into the gate with this is donald trump, which is why the vice presidential pick
that you started this block with is incredibly important for him. >> katy tur, patrick griffin, and david thank you for joining us this holiday weekend. >> any time. wide spread reaction following the defense department's call on lift of ban of transgendered americans serving open aly in the navy seals. what it means for america's lgbtq community when we come back. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day... hey guys! now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. this new dog treat called max and dentalife.covered
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military. the news came nearly a a year after the dodd first began looking at the issue. we're looking by retired navy seal who is transgendered. kristin, thank you for joining us. i know you put off transitioning until after you retired. 23 t if the ban had been lifted while you were serving would you have transitioned earlier? >> possibly. i was one of the top navy s.e.a.l.s. i'm not sure how it effects in hindsight. i probably would have. >> this is from retired general barry mccaffrey. this is what he had to say about lifting the ban. >> there's a medical issue unlike don't ask don't tell. unlike women in combat arms. this one actually has a cost and a deployment concern. you can't be deployed while you're unstable or undergoing surgical procedures. and the question might also arise how many transgendered people will enlist just to gain
the medical access? that has to be thought through and understood. >> what is your reaction to general mccaffrey's comments there? >> all due respect, general. but he's full of mularkey. you talk about the liberty of individuals and taking care of themselves and taking care of your people. if you're going to be a true leader and a good leader, take care of your people. and isn't taking care of your people part of that transgendered people? so i just think he's full of it >>well -- >> cost is negligible. >> according to a study commissioned by the pentagon, there are about 1300 and 6600 transgendered troops serving in the military. do you believe that number is higher than the report? >> the report -- there's a report that says there's 15,000. and when you consider that and readiness and everything. it's not going to affect the military that much. every transgendered person is not going to run and start signing up for surgeries right away.
i haven't done surgery. you don't have to have surgery as transgendered person. i want the freedom to say i'm i'm transgender. this is not the right way to think. not everybody is the same. my story is not the same. don't lump is all in one big ball of wax and say we are going to be troublesome to the forces. it is not true. >> retired navy s.e.a.l., kristen beck, thank you very much for joining us this holiday weekend. >> thank you. >> taking a stand against terror. turnout to remember the victims following brussels. iconic remembering ofhe lives lost. not so in turkey how america and countries abroad react in the face of terror. stay with us.
in dhaka, bangladesh. three students were among those killed. the attack is one of the latest including four major attacks in turkish cities. monuments around the world were lit up in red, white, and blue after the attack in paris. after brussels, the same type of support from countries all over the globe. a similar is yet to come. why do attacks in the western world get more attention. joining me, dean abadulah. why do you think the attacks in the west get more global sympathy? we see leaders from around the world go and march in solidarity. why do you think we didn't see that? >> for many, when muslims are
killed, it does not matter as much. when muslims are the terrorist, the perpetrator, that gets coverage and ratings. the media is built on a business model. that's what it is. we have to be honest about it. when you see muslims in turkey, 43 killed, the bulk of them were muslims, 30 or 32. we don't know why it doesn't get the coverage. the bottom line. i'm speculating. it is painful for our community it does not get the coverage. it makes it seem like muslim lives don't matter as much. we. >> narrator: this together against terrorists. we are the number one victim of terrorists. when they kill us, it doesn't get the coverage. when terrorists kill people in the west, it gets inordinate amounts of coverage. >> the coverage in the country is different than the attacks abroad. there is no doubt turkish media is covering that attack the same way american media is going to cover the attacks domestically. i'm curious about your thoughts in a country like turkey that has a speight of terrorist attacks, this is tragically a part of the reality of living in
turkey. there have been at least a dozen terrorist attacks over the past year. where as in paris or brussels, it is completely out of the norm. in the same way foreign media doesn't cover mass shootings in the country. it is our normal we have mass shootings here in a tragically frequent way. >> when you look at brussels, 33 died. istanbul, 43 people died. the same type of attack. a huge spectacle. after brussels, numerous american media networks sent anchors. talk to the people of belgium. are you worried? what's your fears? find out about the victims their lives. when we had turkey, that didn't happen. why it is not happening is a bigger question. is it an empathy gap? are there executives in the media that do not think that muslim lives do not matter or that american consumers won't watch it? i am trying to raise awareness.
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