tv Lockup Colorado--- Extended Stay MSNBC July 3, 2016 2:00am-3:01am PDT
>> many of colorado's most violent convicts are are sent to the correction facility, a level 4 on the eastern plains of the state but in trouble here they go to administrative segregation. a lock down unit where they spent 23 hour ace day in their cells. >> segregation is the jail within the prison. where some of the more colorful disruptive types are housed. >> one of those inmates is jonathan. serving 40 years for murder. our crew first encountered hall while interviewing another inmate a few doors down. >> i believe he threw a liquid substance under the door that smelled some what suspicious and
we're going to go report that. yeah he threw pee under the door. >> did he? >> yeah. >> i'll go up there and double check. >> lisa learned that hall's anger had really begun the day before. >> he started off yesterday night he drew a bunch of gang graduat grafiti on the wall. he became belligerent. i talked to him this morning and we did restrain him and take him out and took photos. 30 minutes later because other offenders probably gave him a hard time, now he has covered his window and started throwing fluids under his door. unless he does come down and follow our rules he will be extracted. >> here's what will happen, if you don't -- >> i know what's going to
happen, that's why i'm doing this. >> is that what you want to do. >> bring it. >> it will be brought. >> he is refusing to uncover his window. >> he's throwing some kind of liquid out from under his door. and he is begging for the s.w.a.t. team to come in. >> all right guys, real quick. we have hall. he is down in f-1. he has been acting up all morning and refusing orders. talked to everybody. he refused all orders. we'll give him last three commands and if he doesn't comply we'll open the cell door
and kneel him down on the wall right there. >> come on to the door. [ bleep ]. >> if you do not, we will introduce chemical agents so you better comply. >> introduce oc. >> hall's unwillingness to follow the repeated orders results in a short burst of oc mist. >> unable to deal with the burning effects of the o.c. gas any longer, hall finally complies. >> come to the door and step up.
>> you're going to be all right, all right? listen to my orders. get up on your knees. get up on your knees. come on, help us out. >> what looks like blood on hall's head is actually residue from the o.c. gas. officers then followed procedure by masking his face to prevent spitting. >> i can't breathe. >> you're all right. you're all right. >> hall is permitted to shower off the o.c. gas and will soon be placed in a stripped down cell until the prison conducts a disciplinary hearing on the
events leading to his extractions. >> extractions are the most dramatic between inmates and staff. and fewer have provided more drama than the ones involving this man. we first met roy in the original lockup episode at colorado state penitentiary in 2000. at the time he had been through five brutal cell extractions. >> i got some criminal tendencies, you know what i mean? i robbed and assaulted a guy in here. ain't like i'm in here for nothing. >> he was paroled in the fall of 2008 but his twin brother is incarcerated, serving 15 years for assault. >> how is your brother? where is he at now? >> at home.
>> when did he get out in two months ago. >> he would act out though. once he calls back down he was reasonable but he would get worked up. >> several years prior to becoming the warden he was a lieutenant at colorado state and involved in several cell attractions. >> the last four that got done on hill. i was the one that sprayed him. >> if you don't we're going to administer o.c. >> he said it was due to the chemical, the o.c. we introduced. he said it wasn't fun anymore. in my opinion he got a thrill from fighting with the staff when we would wrestle him to the ground. he got a thrill from that. >> he was taking a breath when
you guys were all talking. what was he saying? i've had enough? >> now that he's out, he's going to do a lot. >> i don't want to see you come back here. >> no, i'm not. >> 17 weeks. >> you'll never see me again. maybe at the mall or something doing my thing. but i'm never coming back. this is because i was always drinking and raising hell. i'm done with that. >> ray is working toward his own freedom. his release date is only four months away. because roy is on parole he is not allowed to visit ray in prison. but they do stay connected and take jabs at each other in
letters. >> at the end of had letter -- he calls me neil and he said you take it easy neil. he said no, you can call me daddy and i'll give you a pass when you get out. i thought i'm going to get you. we'll probably go in the backyard and have to get the hits. after that it's all good though. >> coming up, ray sees his brothers epic battles for the first time. >> this loaf is used for inmates who abuse food or food service equipment. >> the making of prison meal loaf.
cell mate. roy is now out of prison but his twin brother ray is a inmate. the prison gave our crew permission to show ray video tape of his brother's cell extractions. it's the first time he has seen them. >> a lot of things going on on your face watching. >> you guys, honestly, i want to jump in there and help hill, you know what i mean? that's my first instinct is just to help him. that's the first time i've seen a couple of those clips and to be honest with you it makes me mad right away. they're dropping all of their weight. they're 230 pounds. i see him. i ain't no fool. i know what time it is. that's not cool. i don't like to see my brother get hurt. >> but the prison says extraction teams are only called
when inmates do not cooperate with staff. a practice roy gave up when the prison began using o.c. gas or pepper spray. >> that stuff is powerful. i'd rather have my [ bleep ] kicked. it burns like fire. it's bad stuff. >> jonathan hall just got his second dose of it in two days. this time officers extracted him after he flooded his cell and repr refused orders to comply. our crew shot the extraction from prison security monitors. he eventually complied and was placed back in his cell but more trouble overnight. >> we gave him a meal. he spit it all over the window. he lunged at the officers. this morning had medical go over and do an evaluation.
and we're starting meal loaf because he used his food to abinstruct the cell. >> meal loaf, two of the most dreaded words in prison. >> this is used for inmates that abuse food or food service equipment in the process of consuming their meals. if they throw their food tray at somebody or something along those lines. what we have here is all of the food groups. 9 ounces of ground beef. wheat flower. potatoes, cabbage, bean vegetable oil, tomato puree. by reputation they don't care for it at all. i've tasted it but it's not really that bad. >> recipe says put it in a loaf pan but this will do just fine. oven at 325 degrees. very nutritious dish.
put it in the refrigerator and cool it down and cut it into three equal portions and that will be one inmate's meal. >> i wouldn't eat that. >> that looks good. >> you for real man? this is good. >> the only difference is you don't get salt and pepper. >> i don't think a dog would eat that. >> while hall is facing several days of living in a stripped down cell with only meal loaf to eat, he received good move. he is moving his release date up by two months. meaning he will be out of prison in another 8 weeks. he has one goal that stands above the others. >> be a good father and be a good grandfather. get to know my kid. i love her a lot. she don't know me. she thinks i'm a hard callous man is what i think.
when i see a picture of me and the fellas and she wrote me back and said dad you're not a white supremist are you? and i know. i'm not better than nobody, you know? poor thing. made me feel bad. come on sweetie, i'm not a hardeman. i'm just not. >> he hasn't seen his daughter in 8 years but after learning of his new release date he was permitted to call her. >> hey, what are you doing? >> hey. >> i just found out they're going to let me out april 23rd. >> i can't wait. >> are you going to come up here and see me? >> yeah. >> when was the last time i saw you? >> when i was 8. >> and you'll be 17, the 18th of this month. >> yeah. >> i love you honey. >> i love you too. >> i got to ask you this, what do you think about your uncle roy? you never met him until he got out? >> he's okay.
he's different. >> yeah. like what, tell me? >> just, i don't know. >> shoot straight with me now. >> you can tell he's been in prison for awhile. >> i know. that's true. >> when you talk to me do i come off like that. >> kind of but not really. sometimes. you're like what's up, what you doing. talking to me like i'm your homie. >> i love you. and i know you're not. now you made me feel bad. >> oh, don't feel bad. >> all right. i'll have to work on that all right. i can't wait to see you. i want to give you a big hug. >> okay. >> all right. and i know you're not my homie all right. >> all right. >> do you hear me? >> yeah. >> i love you. >> love you too. >> bye bye honey.
>> haven't been around that long. do you know what i mean? i don't know how. >> now is the time to start. >> yeah, thank you very much. i appreciate that. that feels good. >> you're welcome. now keep your head low. >> i will. i will. >> all right. >> that's what you get for being wild. don't be wild. slow your roll. be more calm. you miss out on everything that's precious to you if you're wild like me. i'm not going to do that anymore. it sucks. >> coming up, inspite of his troubles inside of prison, family members show another side of jonathan. >> he loved animals. >> yeah, that's your daddy. >> and later, roy's cell extractions become an internet phenomenon. >> he's really a cyborg from the
>> it's been a tough spell for jonathan. over a two day period he got angry with correction staff for photographing gang grafiti in his cell. he has been put in a stripped down cell and ordered to eat meal but he calmed down and spoke to us about what really matters to him. >> probably the most important piece of property i have is my picture. it's memories. things that i'm missing out there on the streets. so it's really important to me. >> this is me, my son and my wife when my son was first born. i felt like my destiny was fulfilled. that that's what i was put on earth to do was to have my son.
>> while our introduction to hall left the impression of an inmate out of control. we learned there was another side when we met his family at a visit. >> he loved animals. we would go to the lake all the time and catch tad poles and frogs. that's my favorite part of my childhood. best memory. >> his sister was abused and him being the older brother, definitely felt like he needed to protect her all the time. he was always like that. just really, really protective and psychologically when stuff like that happens to somebody it's really hard to get over. we went through therapy for years and years. >> his problems resulted in an extra two weeks in administrative segregation and
restricted his visits to noncontact status. >> i'm going to see my son for the first time in over a year. even if i can't touch him it's going to be cool to be able to see him. >> i just hope he's prepared for it because it's going to be an emotional issue for him right now. >> who are you going to see today? >> my daddy. >> hey, you. do you want to say hi to daddy. >> hey, how are you? >> is it really daddy? >> yeah, that's your daddy. >> he was so excited to see you. he kept saying i'm going to see my daddy. do you know what he said too?
>> what. >> he said this is a castle. we're going to the castle. >> oh, yeah? that's what he thinks. it's a castle. >> how have you been? >> all right. >> staying out of trouble. >> yeah. >> having fun? >> having fun i fwesz guess. >> i miss you. >> i miss you. >> i miss you too. >> can you say i love you daddy. >> i love you daddy. >> i love you too. i miss you. >> when i heard him say i love you, it felt good. there's not much i could say. just really touched me, you know that he called me daddy because it would have been easy for him not to. he tint get a chance to know me like that.
>> daddy, he's stuck in the mirror. i can't get out my daddy. >> i always wanted jonathan to be a part of my son's life no matter what and i am so excited that he's taken that this is your daddy. it hurts him though because he is out there hitting glass and daddy is stuck and so it's still hard for him because once we leave here it's going to really hurt him more than anything. >> how you doing? >> all of is that depressing. what can you say? you want to hug him and everything else and it's like you lost your son. like he's dead. >> coming up, a lockup extended
an 18-year-old tucson man is arrested for threatening to commit acts of terrorism on arizona government buildings. and in an exclusive interview on msnbc hillary clinton down played the significance of her interview with the fbi. she has no details on the timing of an announcement of any possible charges. >> now it's back to lockup.
>> you know, cooking is my hobby. i like to do it. >> by purchasing food from the canteen and hustling vegetables or meat from the kitchen workers he gets to practice his hobby in the cell but the only time he shed a tear from something other than onions is when he and his brother were in the aim prison and were allowed to see each other for the first time in years. i dropped a tear. come on now. get a grip. you didn't expect that. but that was the last time i actually -- it caught me off
guard. >> he started getting choked up. come on, brother. >> roy was paroled in october 2008. after spending 20 years in prison, he is now living with his parents. >> if i would have got out of prison and wouldn't have had my family's support i wouldn't have made it a week. the system doesn't help you out. that's not going to happen. >> roy is fortunate to have found work but his parole imposes a 4:00 p.m. curfew and prohibits him from leaving the county. he spends most of his free time on the computer. >> i didn't know how to turn a computer on until recently. my sister came down from montana and gave me a computer. here's your getting out of prison gift. good luck. >> roy has his own my space page
and along with millions of others can view his extraction clips that appear on msnbc.com. >> when you're down like that, clothes cutoff you, naked as a jaybird, you're at the bottom. don't get no worse than that. it just don't. i hope some day i hope to say what defined my life. >> still the videos made a definite impression. >> can i get a dollar for every person that views this? i'm just asking. he's a cyborg from the future so tazing him won't help. haven't you seen terminator? >> i watched this episode last night and became infact uated with this man. i wish i knew him.
i love big tall muscular men. i'm 40 years old so i'll be honest with you. i'm flattered by it because i ain't a 20-year-old dude no more and to have a lot of girls or wil making comments about how i look and stuff like that, that's nice. >> but roy's parole serves as a constant reminder that a return to prison is one mistake away. >> five or six times a day this beeper beeps off and i have to call. if this beeper goes off and like after my curfew and i don't call from this landline here at the house, i can get for escape. it's very serious. this is my babysitter. this is my leash. >> what are your goals? what are your dreams? >> my dream is just to get out from under -- just went off. i got to call.
>> i didn't have a life sentence. but i had 20 years. never thought i'd get out. what a cold, dark, lonely place. i got on my knees more than once a played in that place. sometimes i'd hit my knees and pray and i'd think you know what, i may not wake up. that would be a good thing, you know? >> sure. >> that's it. that's the process. five or six times a day i go through that. >> beats lockup. >> you're right it beats lockup. that's right. my dreams are simple. i want to get on a bike and ride. open highway. i want an open highway in front of me. backpack and a sleeping bag and i want to ride and that's what i'm going to do. >> are you going to make it this
time? staying out? >> i believe i'm going to make it and i do have a problem with authority and i have authority issues. that's a major bump in the road for me. it's hard for me. it really is. it's hard. not that i don't want to be free. i want to be free. i don't want to two back to prison but sometimes i have this impending doom on my back. >> sometimes prison ruins people. it does. and i understand that. so be it. i'm not ruined at all. i'm ready to get out there and do whatever it takes to make it and i'm going to. i want to be a success story because there's no success stories around here. all my buddies are o.d.ing out there and coming back. it's terrible, man. i'm not going to do it. >> coming up -- >> i'm nervous. >> it's a reunion ten years in
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>> roy earned a reputation for his numerous cell extractions at colorado state penitentiary. now jonathan hall has gotten word he will be transferred there as well. it's the most secure state prison in colorado. where all the inmates are locked up in their cell 23 hours a day. >> i'm trying to stay mentally prepared to be locked down for the next two or three years. >> several at as after a visit from his family, he received a letter from his mother.
small comfort for what lies ahead. >> you have just gotten confused. life through too many curveballs at you. keep god in your heart and things will get better. maybe not the way you want but better. i'm so fwlglad i had you. you're very important in my life. >> it's good to hear this. people out there care and they're still thinking about me. they're still keeping me in their hearts. >> while hall faces many more years in prison ray only has minutes left until his release but first a long overdue visit. >> i vn seen my daughter at all. it's going to be emotional, you
know? >> it's been a long tile since i had a hug. any kind of hug. i haven't had a hug in six years. >> and it's been longer since he saw his daughter raven. >> that's the last time i have seen her face to face. 199 9. she was born in '92. 7 years old. that's the last time i have seen her. she was just a little girl then. she still is then. she'll be a little girl when she is 30 to me. >> raven is now 17 years old and has a baby girl of her own whom she decided not to bring on the visit. she has just arrived at the prison with ray's other brother brad and his wife becky. >> i don't know what i'm going to say to be honest with you. i planned it all in my mind but
what do you say? do you know what i mean? i don't know. we'll take it as it comes. i swing it anyway. >> how are you doing raven? how are you doing? >> i'm doing all right. >> you're so beautiful. >> thank you. man you guys look good. >> oh, man. >> i'm nervous. >> you couldn't sleep last night. >> no, i couldn't. inquiry sleep at all. >> she's beautiful, my goodness, man. do i look old? >> no.
>> i do. you're a grandpa though. >> i know. i wanted to see him too. >> that's your incentive. get out. >> i was like how sad is that? it is. it's very sad. it's almost pathetic. i want to be here for you until the end of timeful that's just how it is. and i want to be a good grandpa. you know the worst part about it was not being with your family. you can't see your daughter. she grew up on me. i missed it all. and that sucks. >> not all of it. >> i don't feel like -- i wouldn't change it, anything, because it made me who i am
today and i wouldn't change it. i'm mad. i am but it's done with. i can't hold resentment. i am who i am today because of it and i don't think i came out too bad. >> no, i know. >> after jumping the hurdles and going through ups and downs. >> but you bounce back. >> yeah. yeah. >> i know we don't know each other that well but i'd like to get to know you. i want to be there. you're a big part of my life. >> i just want you to get out. >> i know you do. >> life's too short. >> it is. >> to waste time. >> one week after his reunion with raven, he received horrible news.
just days after seeing his daughter for the first time he received horrible family news. his twin brother roy is back in prison. >> i talked with my mom and my mom told me that roy went to the parole office drunk. and i'll be honest with you, kind of made me mad. why are you clapping their face. if you are going to do it okay sneak around until you got caught but you could have done that any old time. not the night before you go see your parole officer. so he's coming back and he'll spend the next two years, 2.5 years locked up. >> but today after 15 years it's ray's day to leave prison.
>> it's my last day in prison. i'm tired. i'm so tired i feel nauseous. really, really nervous. i'm afraid i'm not going to make it. do you know what i mean? you see guys coming in and ou and in and out and when it's time for you to get out you start thinking -- oh. my own twin brother can't handle the pressure. it's terrible but i think about the things that hurt me the most. and booze, drugs, they cycle through my mind. >> you take care. >> i have to carry around a mirror if my pocket and check myself. no would be can check me. i have to say hey, bro, you're going to go right back to the
pen. >> put your box over there with the other boxes. >> all right. >> all right, thank you. >> there's your new i.d. card for you. >> look at this. i was wondering if they were going to do this. they took me in shackles and they said they would take the orange off. you can tell i'm a prisoner in there. oh, that's terrible. >> a lot of these guys you see in six months. >> yeah. >> you won't be seeing me again. >> let's hope not. >> i'm ally excited. >> i'm looking forward to this. this has been a long time.
>> are you doing all right? >> yeah. i feel more free because i'm around my family. i'm like let's go now. i'm ready to roll. >> and although roy is back in prison he made plans to give ray a parting gift. >> he wanted me to dress up in these clothes. yeah i could be close. yeah, all right. i'll bow down. you know how he is you guys. ten years down the road. >> now i feel more free though. >> you know what i mean? >> look at this.
i can't hear anything. hey raven. >> his first phone call is to his daughter raven. she lives in another part of the state but that's something he hopes to change. >> you always have a place with me. i'm out now and i love you very much and emory is my granddaughter and i would love for you guys to live with me. >> do you want to send her a picture of me. >> yeah. all right.
>> he will live in a mobile home owned by his parents. >> come on in. >> nice. >> nice new carpet. >> new carpet. ceilings were painted. >> oh, really. >> got you some furniture. >> man, brother. i like that. that is comfortable. >> oh. >> and maybe my daughter comes by so i can cook deep fried chicken tacos. they like that. it's a good dish. my room wasn't too much bigger than this.
look at that. >> you know what, this is nice. look at that mirror. i can see myself good. it is nice. >> ray soon discovers that roy left behind his food stash. >> all the guys back in prison. look at this. everybody gets out of prison, my brother gets out of prison and buys ramen stew. >> it's like canteen. >> it is. it's crazy don't you think? been eating them for 23 years. >> that's crazy. i love you roy but come on. the soups have to go. >> to go from a cell to this, you can't comprehend how i feel. i'm really, really happy. i have family helping me. i'm so appreciative.
i'm really looking forward to it and i hope it happens and i'm looking forward to going to work and living my life. i have to be cautious on life. that's my real downfall. a big heart and my love for some of the guys. have to pull back. i love you bro but i have to go. i have to succeed this time. and look at this. this is a castle to me you guys. i mean i'm so happy. >> how do you feel? >> i'm disappointed, you know? he's better than prison. he's really a good man. i love him to death. he's better than all the that prison [ bleep ]. he just didn't hold on. if he had held on until i got out i was going to help him. i know where his frame of mind is 100% and i could have talked him down. he works himself up. i do the same thing. we could have talked each other
down. it ain't worth it and i think that i could have helped him stay free but that's not the case. >> are you going to make it? >> yeah, i'm going to make it. as a matter of fact i promise i'm going to make it. you can always take updates and look on the internet and you can see i'm out free doing well. i'm going to get to know my daughter. she has that coming because you know what, little girls need their dads. i don't care if she is 23 years old she still need mislove and she is going to have it. i'm not letting her down. freedom baby. freedom.